programmers-off-topic

[cinder karma]

God, Borders....

[tranquil grove]

rip in amazon, long since digested into the kindle ebook store or w/e

[cinder karma]

I vaguely remember that store existing

[devout vault]

I really should start reading again

[cinder karma]

God i really was planning on going to the library this weekend for the seed exchange

But I can't

[steel kraken]

all the reading I need is harry potter and the methods of rationality on loop

[devout vault]

I still need read I'm in Love with the Villainess books 3-5

[tranquil grove]

yo same, I think, I finished the first main arc but forgot the book count

[supple ether]

I recently finished the Luminaries Trilogy and I really enjoyed it

[devout vault]

The anime finished around the end of book 2

Wait no

Maybe book 1?

[supple ether]

Checked out Age of Miracles as well but haven't started it

[tranquil grove]

I have a bad habit of reading 99% of all yuri manga and nothing else, these days

[devout vault]

It definitely doesn't reach near the end of book 2

[cinder karma]

It's interesting because I've never seen myself as a "woman in tech" (unlike @sand frost )

[devout vault]

remind me in 22 hours to indulge in yuri once again

[heavy dagger]

sure thing, bud (#7041396) (22h | <t:1769222194>)

[devout vault]

(unfortunately it's not as easy to suddenly commit a yuri)

[supple ether]

Right now I'm catching up on The Last Angel: The Hungry Stars

[devout vault]

I just read generic fantasy webtoons these days

Most of which have male protagonists

[supple ether]

Oh! Oh! Have you read tamberlane?

[cinder karma]

Lol

[devout vault]

And most of the rest of which are romantasy, but straight

[tranquil grove]

my friend recs something non-lesbian occasionally but is too busy lately

[devout vault]

I don't think I've even seen that one.

Which is saying a lot, considering how many I'm subscribed to

[cinder karma]

Do i ever read fiction.... no

[supple ether]

Speaking of lesbians, Have you read the locked tomb

[tranquil grove]

nope, haven't heard of it before

[supple ether]

Highly recommend

[devout vault]

There's only a few dozen of those that are finished

[tranquil grove]

a friend used to be pretty into sf/f novels but I never quite got into them

[devout vault]

A dozen or two are on hiatus I think?

And I do fast pass the vast majority of the rest

[tranquil grove]

(executive dysfunction rather than aversion)

[devout vault]

The rest? Updates each week

send help

[supple ether]

I have up on webtoon lol

Man I miss Stand Still Stay Silent

[devout vault]

this does not appear to have magic, nor lesbians

smh

[devout vault]

What does sf/f mean

[cinder karma]

The only magic lesbians you need are huntrix

[tranquil grove]

I'm just realizing that the most fiction I've read for a long time, by volume, is the SCP wiki

[devout vault]

Is it f/f but the self protagonist thing?

[cinder karma]

(Science fiction/fantasy)

[devout vault]

I need one or the other, not exclusively both.

also who is huntrix

[cinder karma]

Esca! Do you want to do a goodreads reading challenge?

[supple ether]

I haven't read much of it, but I really liked the Antimemetics Division subseries

[tranquil grove]

I did also read some of that a long time ago, but what atra said

[devout vault]

(I would love a "both". But uh... rare)

[cinder karma]

(Kpop demon hunters)

[devout vault]

I also have a long list of progression fantasy / litrpg books to check out eventually

[tranquil grove]

sorry, I have zero ability to commit to things

[devout vault]

One of which was Dungeon crawler Carl, but that's ongoing on webtoon now...

[cinder karma]

Alright time to go to sleep to market crashed

[supple ether]

If you want f/f and magic, and don't mind fucked up shit you might enjoy the locked tomb. It's not a webcomic, though, just a regular novel

[devout vault]

(okay I think it's on hiatus since it reached end of season 1, but anyways)

[tranquil grove]

I enjoyed a lot of that, though I forget whether I went through it all in full
I tend to go down the upvotes-of-all-time or -by-year lists

[devout vault]

no pretty pictures? 😔

[tranquil grove]

but branched through a bunch of that

[supple ether]

I wish

[sand frost]

Yeah I’ve got plenty of gender
It’s just all the assigned at birth kind

[cinder karma]

(I'm not going to read a webtoon (lazy) (never home) but I hate starting incomplete series)

[devout vault]

My tolerance of the warning you gave for locked tomb depends on what kind and how much 😛

[devout vault]

Ah. Have not watched it

[cinder karma]

I didn't get the "professional gender" but I do like the "pretty face" gender, apparently

Although I've been slacking on the situps

And the lifting

[devout vault]

I don't know what that means, but from the sounds of it I like pretty face gender as well

[supple ether]

Nothing graphic, just really unhealthy relationship dynamics, skeletons, and some dead people.

[sand frost]

Sit-ups and lifting are very far from something I could even be generously described as slacking off on

I suppose sometimes I have to carry steel around

[devout vault]

Skeletons and dead people is considered messed up now? glances at all my fantasy / game-system-in-modern-world action-focused serieses

[cinder karma]

It's only every third thought in my empty little head

[cinder karma]

I've been just running lately

[devout vault]

who from

[cinder karma]

The world. Life in general

Having to call a dentist

[tranquil grove]

(oh right I should've flossed/brushed for the night like 2 hours ago)

[devout vault]

It kinda sucks that like 98% of the fantasy/game-system action series are male protagonist

I've seen like... 2?

Maybe 3?

One of which is finished

[cinder karma]

Isnt miss conical tits

[devout vault]

wat

[cinder karma]

Laura Croft?

[devout vault]

Oh, I mean webtoon stuff

Not fiction in general

also I've never played tomb raider but anyways

[cinder karma]

Oh I wouldn't know then

[supple ether]

I just mention it bc for some people dead bodies, skeleton monsters, and wildly unhealthy relationships are too much for some people

[cinder karma]

Esca don't laugh at me

[supple ether]

YEAH it drives me insane

[tranquil grove]

I mean you're right, that's still a kind of action game

also that specific series, but I've only played the literal first one when it came out, because free with graphics card

[supple ether]

Im not big on litrpg in general, but I'll go on royalroad and like 80% if the stories are make protagonist

[devout vault]

Skeleton monsters don't bother me (as my series count of generic fantasy on webtoon might have made clear).

Dead bodies depends on how graphic.

Unhealthy relationships depends on in what way I guess, but there are series I might normally like that I've not actually given a good chance because the MC is unbearable in the first episode or two

[regal ingot]

MrsInBlack knows the person who the author consulted for sword stuff for locked tomb. Or the "sword lesbian" as she calls her. I think I met her once.

[devout vault]

I've never read royal road, but I do have a list of books to read many of which are on there

[sand frost]

My husband found a good one on Royal road but it does have male protagonist

[devout vault]

To be clear, I'm fine with male protagonist

[sand frost]

He’s canon “some kind of ace that’s a future me problem”

Which is spoilers I guess hmm

[devout vault]

Most of the series I read are male protagonist. And once again I'd like to point to the subscribed series count from earlier

[tranquil grove]

tangentially, there's a newish yuri series that very clearly stars a hololive vtuber, and it's surprisingly gory

[cinder karma]

Reasonable

Have you seen the dating market

[sand frost]

“Super Supportive”, it’s still ongoing tho and also incredibly long

[devout vault]

I'm just saying, if I had to choose between "Generic Fantasy" and "Generic Fantasy but Woman", I'd choose the latter

[cinder karma]

My dad threatened to make a hinge account for me

[sand frost]

I’m married lol

[sand frost]

Oh dear

[devout vault]

I know basically nothing about hololive, and very little about vtubers in general 😛

[cinder karma]

Also frankly ||it's not a priority||

[devout vault]

Dating apps are just incompatible with my brain I think

[tranquil grove]

fair, I've almost never watched them, but get exposure from fanart image boards
(i.e. dynasty-scans mostly)

[cinder karma]

We're getting close to them trying to find someone for me territory :(

[sand frost]

Tell the matchmaker you want to meet all the gay Taiwanese doctors

(Ok that’s probably not a thing anymore but that was my aunt’s experience)

[cinder karma]

That would be hilarious

[sand frost]

These days at least in my family it’s chill to be gay as long as you still want kids (per my grandparents generation)

[supple ether]

There's no graphic gore from what I remember. Maybe some body horror.

The relationships thing is hard to articulate exactly why, partly because it applies to most of the cast in different ways. The main duo has a really unbalanced power dynamic, there's a group of side characters that have this weird, vaguely incestuous love triangle thing going on, and part of the whole structure of the thing leans on exploitative relationships between characters.

[sand frost]

So there’s probably fewer gay Taiwanese doctors in the closet to be match made with

[devout vault]

I think I'd say it would be a priority for me if someone appeared that I liked, but explicitly searching for someone just does not make sense with my brain

[cinder karma]

Anyways I should go rock climbing lol

[sand frost]

That was how I felt between relationships 1 and 2

But then I married 2 and he’s great

[hardy jewel]

PEAK

[devout vault]

It's a junimo! Quick, post something actually about programming!

[cinder karma]

Lol

[hardy jewel]

I prefer this

[cinder karma]

There is a reason why programmer socks are a meme

[hardy jewel]

😌

[devout vault]

Honestly, if I had to choose between lesbians and programming? Same

[tranquil grove]

uhhhh how do i make generics have overloads with varying T restrictions in C#

[devout vault]

suffer

[tranquil grove]

(kidding because I've solved my specific bad logic around that, but it's what i was doing today )

[lethal walrus]

i think there'd be a method definition and a <T> somewhere in there

[cinder karma]

What do you wanr

Oh god

Whyyyyy

[devout vault]

There's also a where !

...or am I thinking of Java

[cinder karma]

You can have constraints yeah

[devout vault]

There's still a chance for this to happen for me, considering I've only dated one person...

[tranquil grove]

so my case was like
I have collections* that I want to get random/ordered/etc elements out of, depending on a mode enum
and sometimes the elements* have a Weight field and sometimes they don't
and sometimes they're in lists and sometimes dictionaries

[devout vault]

(I mean, I've certainly liked more than one person, but there's a bit of a difficulty in the reciprocation department 😛 )

[tranquil grove]

anyway it's kind of a "just standardize the things instead" problem

[devout vault]

(the one time I think someone actually liked me back, I didn't ever ask out because asking out a service worker while they were working didn't feel right)

[sand frost]

I was looking for the webtoon I read once, and I found it!

[supple ether]

For litrpg with a woman protagonist, I would recommend Dungeon of Knowledge.

For more general fantasy, I really enjoyed Shining Wyrm, although while the protagonist is female, she's also nonhuman, which may not be your thing, I dunno

Not Your Average Magical Girl is a really fun short comedy fantasy that I would highly recommend. Featuring multiple! Women protagonists

[cinder karma]

.... I'll think about it this weekend i guess

[sand frost]

I’ve forgotten most things about it, but it’s called Purple Hyacinth and I recall liking it

[devout vault]

are these text or image

[sand frost]

It might be scary sometimes maybe??

[supple ether]

All text

[devout vault]

adds to the "Fiction to read or watch eventually" purgatory

[tranquil grove]

it's really not important, I just used a standardized interface for things and added a field/feature that some were missing before, which is fine
but ty 💖

[cinder karma]

Anyways, if you know of someone who is six five, blue eyes, in finance, and wants a beard....

(Y'all wouldn't recognize the song)

[tranquil grove]

(so now people can put "mark applied" flags on specific trigger actions inside an entry, which is silly but technically useful)

[devout vault]

Why purgatory? I'm glad you asked

Not the same territory as my steam wishlist, but still way too large

[cinder karma]

So I should ask

What is a webtoon

[devout vault]

Basically a webcomic but on a specific platform

[cinder karma]

Like xkcd?

[sand frost]

I think it’s a graphic novel on the web

[tranquil grove]

also seems like a term people use for "webcomic but written in china and/or korea"

but yeah, there's a site

[devout vault]

There are other platforms too but I already spend like 2 hours a day minimum catching up to things

[supple ether]

Korean google that hosts comics online

[devout vault]

manwha, I think?

[tranquil grove]

manhua and manhwa(?) are the actual terms, yeah

[cinder karma]

Okay I'm too lazy for that shit

[devout vault]

Yeah most of them are korean and pretty similar art styles too.

[cinder karma]

It would cut into my precious running time

[tranquil grove]

they generally are webcomics or on a sell-by-chapter site rather than published, at any rate

[devout vault]

Not all of course

First example that comes to mind just ended on a cliff hanger of season one and won't be resuming, though

[cinder karma]

Alright, do i want to do my physical before or after the 15k run...

Or maybe after donating blood

[supple ether]

No I mean webtoon is an offshoot of the same company that owns naver. It's the biggest korean telecommunications company / ISP that also handles a bunch of other things, like web searches and digital payments

[cinder karma]

It is a little finicky because I don't want to try to explain creatine/creatinine AGAIN

[devout vault]

One of my friends (not here, unless they've started lurking I guess) has turned into the person I tell about random absurd things from webtoon

[cinder karma]

So I was just gonna drop that for two weeks before physical

And I dont want to drop it going into a race

[devout vault]

I knew there was some kind of relationship but I didn't realize that closely related.

But I figured you meant ot was based there, I was just mainly saying "yeah most of the official series are korean"

[cinder karma]

I keep on having to explain things to people who should know better

The number of bankers I had to say "money is fungible" to....

[supple ether]

https://tenor.com/view/i-sure-hope-it-does-road-work-ahead-gif-9195517011961405049

[devout vault]

(ex. one of the ongoing ones recently is me ranting about how this isekaid MC's pet dragon is obviously his cat from pre-isekai, but neither he nor any commenters seem to notice it)

[cinder karma]

Or "yes, creatine will raise creatinine levels...creatinine is the metabolic product of creatine....but it doesnt mean my kidneys are worse...."

[supple ether]

Anyways it is past midnight so I should really sleep for real now

[devout vault]

(the relevant series being called "Midnight Breaker", for the curious. Fair warning, the beginning (ie. pre-isekai, and a couple times after that that flash back to it) could definitely be triggering, his dad was awful to him and anything he cared about)

[devout vault]

Yeah I had this in my clipboard from a moment ago but went to go look up the name of the its-obvious-dragon=cat series

Okay, well I haven't started my webtoon binge of the night, and it's midnight, so I really should log off the computer

[tranquil grove]

my friend and I disagreed about whether a goddess knew the main character was secretly a slime
i am validated and the comments were all wrong ✨
(one of the few not-yuris i'm currently into, come to think of it)

[prisma flume]

i love that we're taking a good quarter to fixup the tech debt at work and all but god do i wish we didn't have everyone all refactoring the same projects

the sheer number of conflicts

[cinder karma]

Just use perforce!

No conflicts

Perfect

Beautiful

[devout vault]

Sometimes the commenters point out little details I missed, which is nice.

Sometimes they're all blind and I am but an oracle of apollo

[supple ether]

[devout vault]

(I never comment)

[cinder karma]

Please check in <this file> because I need it

[prisma flume]

having to fixup commits on my own merges to accommodate the conflicts and adding more conflicts with the current commit to the next commit along

[devout vault]

not true

You can have conflicts, just not on text files

[cinder karma]

Oh

[devout vault]

(Text files can have multiple people checking it out)

[cinder karma]

I was actually thinking svn

I was just assuming perforce was the same

[tranquil grove]

same, twitter burned me out on that genre of talking-to-strangers for a long time
I also have some regular commenters blocked for fighting all the time

[devout vault]

You know, I used for one small project with some people when I was almost 13, and haven't touched it since

[cinder karma]

....now I have man in finance stuck in my head

Six five....blue eyes... vocal fry....

[devout vault]

Ah. I just lurk everywhere not-smol.

The only reason I don't here is because I've been here since close to the beginning (of the server, not just this channel)

[tranquil grove]

yeah, I used to chat a bit elsewhere but just 👍 things at best lately

but being incidentally logged in for series-tracking gives me the block-bad-commenter button

[devout vault]

I just looked up my oldest message

uh

pot, kettle

(yes, I had released the MP mod before this point. I think)

(But even just compared to modern crime advances)

[devout vault]

(early 2017, by the way)

[devout vault]

Also, for bonus points: I have prototyped something super similar to this

And was gonna expand it to basically that eventually

(It was the old mod with conveyors, which had an underground layer, and included "logic cables" and was gonna have energy and fluid eventually too)

[tranquil grove]

I got here in 2018 just to ask how to get a tile index from x/y, having been jabbing the game with intellisense alone

[devout vault]

Same for my MP mod

And we didn't even have harmony

And SMAPI was so much more limited in what it provided

[tranquil grove]

I didn't look at what harmony was until like, mod #4, which ended up being much cleaner than the junk I did earlier

(should still rewrite my custom tracker sprite thing)

[devout vault]

As I've mentioned before, I stole code from stackoverflow to be able to patch a specific method for kickstarting MP. The code that made a person on github go "what the heck please don't do this, go use harmony instead like normal game modders"

https://github.com/spacechase0/SpaceCore_SDV/issues/2

"How bad could the code be"
The code in question: https://github.com/spacechase0/SpaceCore_SDV/blob/master/Utilities/Hijack.cs#L11

[tranquil grove]

well, it's got SO citations, it's probably fine

[devout vault]

For the non-link-clickers, a very trimmed down version:

                unsafe
                {
                    UInt64* methodDesc = (UInt64*)(replaceWith.MethodHandle.Value.ToPointer());
                    int index = (int)(((*methodDesc) >> 32) & 0xFF);
                    if (IntPtr.Size == 4)
                    {
                        uint* classStart = (uint*)replaceWith.DeclaringType.TypeHandle.Value.ToPointer();
                        classStart += 10;
                        classStart = (uint*)*classStart;
                        uint* tar = classStart + index;

                        uint* inj = (uint*)target.MethodHandle.Value.ToPointer() + 2;
                        *tar = *inj;
                    }
                    else
                    {
                        ulong* classStart = (ulong*)replaceWith.DeclaringType.TypeHandle.Value.ToPointer();
                        classStart += 8;
                        classStart = (ulong*)*classStart;
                        ulong* tar = classStart + index;

                        ulong* inj = (ulong*)target.MethodHandle.Value.ToPointer() + 1;
                        *tar = *inj;
                    }
                }

[tranquil grove]

I say never having made anything with unsafe

[devout vault]

I honestly did not and do not know what it is actually patching

[tranquil grove]

(also the link reminded me I had that definitely-not-a-vtuber manga open for comparison)
(original character, do not stream)

[devout vault]

Doesn't feel like assembly, but clearly something native-side

[steel kraken]

also definitely not a cult

[tranquil grove]

so I hear from half the comments

[devout vault]

Okay, cutting myself off. Locking computer

(No, not turn off. Obviously)

Don’t bouncer stare me. I’m not unlocking, I just never turn it off if I can help it

(On phone now)

[cinder karma]

Mozart, you know what to do

[steel kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sAQ1wuYzxk

[tranquil grove]

yeah, I never used to, but the fans on this one are a bit loud and in my room

(I always forget discord embeds ads now I do not need insurance, show me the octopus)

[devout vault]

I turn the fans low so they only flare up when doing more intensive stuff. 😛 and the RGB is off

(The case has a remote)

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-the-plant-vegans-gif-23768796

(s/plant/octopus)

[steel kraken]

seeing just the first frame I was like "why is glados in a boat wheel" and then it finally played and was walle and I was no longer confused

[devout vault]

It only affects fans / RGB.

And doesn’t affect a specific set of RGB, but the case is only transparent on two sides which are facing the wall/desk now

Even if I had the fans on, the room AC I have now is louder

[tranquil grove]

I should probably fix the fan rates, they reset when I did a bios update for some old game recently
RGB's all off except for the gpu that requires proprietary controls or some such, but it's dim and I'm amused that the default colors are a bi pride cycle

[devout vault]

I think the GPU is the stick ones for mine too

Can’t recall what colors. And can’t tell from here besides “hey look there’s some light on the wall”

Seems to be cycling

[tranquil grove]

iirc this one needs Armory Crate™ to shut off and that thing made boots fail half the time

[devout vault]

Though it resets when I reboot so I could’ve forgotten last time

[tranquil grove]

plus resource hogging etc, asus's all-in-one code pile iirc

[devout vault]

Anyways time for WEBTOON binge so I’ll not really check this much anymore 😛

[tranquil grove]

enjoy same after I finally go wash up

[devout vault]

(After: <insert minirant about autocorrect getting worse did they stuff an LLM into it or something>)

[tranquil grove]

( 🔎 oh, i guess that's why her minions in that manga have card suit pupils) (maybe)

[thin estuary]

i think Terraria modders used that approach for the longest time

[dusty pollen]

apparently either windows or my pc agrees with you because ever since I added my second monitor it started doing this fun thing where whenever I turn it off it immediately turns back on again

initially it was just once and then the second time it worked, but yesterday it turned back on five times until I held down the power button for a few seconds, it threatened to turn on AGAIN for a second and then gave up

-# to anyone who’s about to say it yes I will be checking power cable/extension cord fuckery Soon™

[safe dragon]

visual studio has had enough today it seems

it has decided to just not give me the test menu

it's just gone

oh it came back

I did nothing

[prisma flume]

microsoft product do be like that

after remote desktop, home pc decided it had no sound devices installed in settings despite playing music and game audio. just not allowed to mute them

such mysteries

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7073 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1464107182445564005)

[devout vault]

I don't think that should be possible

If my computer turns itself on, I think it might be time to buy a gun

(or a baseball bat or something for those not currently suffering from drowning by "freedom")

[devout vault]

Imagine actually doing tests.

Actually, don't, because ew

Also, shoutout to the old test issues I ranted about in this channel, which probably still aren't fixed

[devout vault]

Are you looking at the good sound device menu or the windows 11 one

Also I see this channel's name has changed again

To an actually more fitting one this time

[edgy lion]

Similarly fun apparently the M-series MacBooks can be turned on with any key, not just the power button???

Was trying to clean the keyboard and it just would not stay shut down :(

[dusty pollen]

noooo that's so annoying

[crystal wren]

...please tell me you can disable that at least?

[safe dragon]

how... is every key connected to the circuit required to boot the device?

I do hope that's software

but that'd mean it doesn't actually shut down

[dusty pollen]

that's windows' thing! no stealing!

[crystal wren]

I mean I've had a PC I could configure to be able to turn on with the press of a keyboard key a LONG time ago, so...

[serene portal]

Hello everyone, I am not sure if this channel supports this kind of discussion but because the description mentions tech chatter I though I might ask.

I would like to clean my monitor though right now I don't have distilled water, so the only water available to me is tap water.

I wanted to ask if it is safe to clean my monitor with it.

As for the cleaning part I usually just wet my microfabric cloth (one that I had with the glasses that I wear) and then dry the cloth as much as possible.
I pass the cloth careful on the screen and clean it with a circular motion, after that I clean it really really well with the dry part of the cloth.

Could I please get advice (sorry in advance if this is not the right place to ask)

[dusty pollen]

sounds good to me as long as you REALLY dry the cloth as much as possible, no dripping whatsoever

(regardless of the type of water)

[serene portal]

Okey thanks a lot for the advice
(by the way if you don't mind me asking do also do you clean it with tap water or do you have distilled water for those types of situations)

[dusty pollen]

I don't have distilled water for any situations 😅 I use whatever I have at hand

occasionally a wet wipe, but I don't necessarily recommend that unless it's a screen cleaning wipe lmao

then again my "new" monitor is from 2014, so

[serene portal]

Yeah mine isn't really top notch either, thanks for the advice though I really appreciate it

[frosty echo]

AFAIK the main reason for wanting distilled water rather than tap water isn't safety, it's to avoid smears/marks remaining

[crystal wren]

Yeah, it's mainly minerals/particulates, which could theoretically get a little scratchy... but I've never had a huge problem from the couple of times I've done it.

[safe dragon]

another evening, another opus magnum session

[cinder karma]

You're gonna finish the game before the end of thr week

[safe dragon]

definitely not...

this one wasn't particularly interesting

dear god

[safe dragon]

needing to get 3 reagents from the same source as efficiently as I could took some struggles

wait

messed up some timings

that's better

smh peasants

[cinder karma]

A polymer!!!!

Purdy

Look i used to be good at chemistry okay?

[safe dragon]

it do be a polymer

though in lore it's a rope

oh god a new mechanic

[marble jewel]

.qp When making a PB&J sandwich:

1. Use two separate utensils
2. Contaminate the PB in the J
3. Contaminate the J in the PB
   --options 3

Trying to settle a debate

[safe dragon]

ah an important debate

[terse galleon]

secret fourth option: wipe the knife off

[safe dragon]

that's what I do yeah, option 4

but if I had to pick between these

[marble jewel]

I would consider a pristine clean to be option 1 essentially

[terse galleon]

i see i see

pristine may be a strong word, so i guess next closest is 2

[marble jewel]

I mean after you've cleaned it, is it even the same utensil or is it the Utensil of Theseus

[pliant snow]

option four: lick the- oh uh, yeah wipe the knife off

[crystal wren]

Option 5: Don't, because you don't like PB or J.

[cinder karma]

Absolutely not licking

Absolutely not

Saliva has proteins that digest things in it

I'm team two knives, it isnt any extra work to make the dishwasher wash two knives

[frosty echo]

Option 6: Don't, because, while you do like either thing separately, the idea of combining them is just some nonsense

[sand frost]

the idea of contaminating things with peanut butter is unspeakably horrifying to me

[pliant snow]

use one side of the knife for each

[frosty echo]

So 2 or 3 depending which you do first

[marble jewel]

This is my thoughts too, and I'm constantly battling against the "don't create more dishes side" when at the end of the day there is ample space for the dishwasher to accommodate an extra knife

[cinder karma]

If we're ever in the same room I'll remember to pack a hummus sandwich

[devout vault]

I'm on team "two separate utensils, which you can then lick afterwards"

Though I'd probably only lick the J

hype
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHNLfxBxcvo

(Premieres tomorrow)

[safe dragon]

up to 17 claws for this one already...

[cinder karma]

YouTube is now making me a playlist of the songs I listened to in 2016

There is....less emo music than I expected

Where is my Evanescence...

[safe dragon]

alright

19 claws

it is done

[devout vault]

Man you’re demolishing all your friends

[safe dragon]

my foes

[sand frost]

I’m pretty sure evanescence was more like 2006 than 2016

[cinder karma]

Hush now and pass over my black eyeliner

[safe dragon]

close enough right

it's funny how just like regular programming something in your brain just clicks and a lot of it becomes second nature

I know a fact I would've gotten really stuck on this originally

[cinder karma]

Protein synthesis

[safe dragon]

I stopped playing, then realized while getting a glass of water that this solution could be better and booted up the game again

it might potentially be possible to slim down 1 more cycle per section but that'd be rough

wait did I offset the belt and still get the point

I did, odd

[fleet wren]

yeah since you touched the product checker when it's being moved

[safe dragon]

wait no it's a lot weirder

ok no yeah that's right

well I save 1 whole cycle doing it this way

huge

now I actually stop playing

[cinder karma]

So say you

[cinder karma]

Every person in the city is trying to get gas at the Costco before the storm

Annhhh

Disappointed in the numver of cat pictures here

[little furnace]

I actually don't have too many cat pictures because my cat looks cute all the time, so I never think "this is special, I need to take a picture".

[cinder karma]

Cutie

[cinder karma]

Honorary orange

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: indulge in yuri once again (22h ago)

[hardy jewel]

[devout vault]

I’m unusually tired for how early it is though 😔

[remote isle]

i love your pfp okay bye

[devout vault]

Remind me in 12 hours to doubly indulge in yuri once again (to make up for not doing so last night)

[heavy dagger]

[blinks] what now? yeah uhhh sure thing boss (#7042551) (12h | <t:1769266790>)

[cinder karma]

The fact that this dude makes a living doing meteorology on YouTube amazes me

Do y'all like snow?

[sand frost]

it's better than sleet

i don't hate it tbh, it can be fun intermittently, but it's not fun to drive through or shovel off a car

[cinder karma]

Are yur students excited

[sand frost]

Unclear

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/IyiCHMHE5Qg?si=pMGFXhI4cuPuTLkz

Ahhhh

[safe dragon]

alright I think is the most insane one I've done so far

it is a genuine miracle that this works

23 claws weaving in between each other just barely never hitting each other. Making sure no claw ever uses more than 6 cycles to return to their initial state

[cinder karma]

Dissasembly

[safe dragon]

gettin the lead out of ore in lore

[cinder karma]

I will assume that makes sense to someone who has played rhe game

[safe dragon]

very vaguely

[cinder karma]

:nods:

I wont worry my empty little head over it

[prisma flume]

what the fuck

[dusty pollen]

am I the 220

[safe dragon]

you are

[dusty pollen]

my solution is probably horrible

oh you haven’t finished the game yet so you can’t enable top percentile to see if you’ve beaten it

rip

[safe dragon]

[dusty pollen]

alas you have not

[safe dragon]

I've failed

not part of the 1%

[dusty pollen]

oh no wonder this solution is so slow lmao

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: doubly indulge in yuri once again (to make up for not doing so last night) (12h ago)

[safe dragon]

now two times in a row I've had to salvage my solution because I realized the bonds weren't in the places it wanted from me

[dusty pollen]

lmao

[safe dragon]

"idk what to do with that last lead"

[dusty pollen]

the lazy alchemist special

[safe dragon]

that's definitely a lot cleaner than mine

it's hard to even tell they are solutions to the same puzzle

[dusty pollen]

I just realised what you’re doing with the long arms

[safe dragon]

it's going the sightseeing route

I had to figure out how to make things not collide

honestly I love how unbelievably different our solutions are

I think yours is more likely to get through a pull request

[devout vault]

...I had to double and triple take when y'all said it was to the same puzzle

[dusty pollen]

there you go, 74 cycles, I’m gonna leave it here for now

[safe dragon]

that's still very clean

[dusty pollen]

trying to get nearer to your speed would probably require ruining that

[cinder karma]

None of iros are loading on my phone

[dusty pollen]

your phone doesn’t respect art

[safe dragon]

your phone only respects chaos

[cinder karma]

My phone likes fast and furiois

[dusty pollen]

idk if resending from my ipad will help but worth a try ig

[cinder karma]

Srill not visible but you dont have to

Just bring a picture of duke instead

[dusty pollen]

oh I just remembered what the fix is but I cba

[fleet wren]

obligated to send mine

[cinder karma]

Selph's doesnt load either

Are y'all all steam friends

[safe dragon]

that's so clean

then I look back at my solutions

[devout vault]

At least yours looks similar to the onr iro solved

Crumble's still looks like an entirely different monstrosity

[dusty pollen]

I am now steam friends with crumble so we can see each other’s scores

[devout vault]

Haven't not played the game, I wouldn't have realized Crumble's was the same without the name in the bottom left

[safe dragon]

me: 23 claws were necessary for this
selph: 3 claws will do

iro only needed 2...

[devout vault]

But yours is faster

[fleet wren]

hey yours is faster

[cinder karma]

Crumble optimization for speed

[devout vault]

I would say "if I get the game can I be friends to compare scores with? 🥺 ", but

[safe dragon]

selph we have to be steam friends

[cinder karma]

Selph and iro for power consumption

[devout vault]

I have more pressing matters

[cinder karma]

If i get the game can we be friends to compare scores :P

Load bearing if

[devout vault]

pressure to finish stardew 3d/vr intensifies

[cinder karma]

Adorable

Those little paws

[cinder karma]

(Absolutely no pressure )

It will be awesome!!!

[devout vault]

Now I have three things I feel like doing

(opus magnum, stardew 3d/vr, doubly indulge in yuri)

[safe dragon]

anyone who plays opus magnum can be my steam friend

[fleet wren]

want me to dm my id

[safe dragon]

yes

[devout vault]

[safe dragon]

need to see if I have to optimize any of the past levels...

[devout vault]

I do have $50 of steam credit just sitting there...

(was gonna be for steam frame preorder a while back, but at this point I'm thinking we might skip preorder)

[cinder karma]

Go optimization it all

[fleet wren]

hmm looking through my old levels it seems I used to optimize for costs heavily

then I started to drift to cycles instead because that's definitely more fun

[safe dragon]

I don't even know what things cost

[cinder karma]

Money

[fleet wren]

what's the saying, fast, cheap, good, pick 2? though 'good' doesn't really have an analogue in the game

[devout vault]

brb adding a mod that adds power consumption

[dusty pollen]

fast, cheap, takes up little total area on the transmutation engine

[fleet wren]

I think area kinda correlates with cost since more arms = more area

[dusty pollen]

kind of but not always

[safe dragon]

I need to work on my chapter 1 solutions. I beat selph and iro in every single one from chapter 2 onwards but my chapter 1 is quite bad...

[dusty pollen]

often pivot arms are more space efficient than regular arms

[devout vault]

(After all, if it’s shipping q1, there’s not much time left for there to be preorders rather than outright buy)

[dusty pollen]

and tracks are very cheap but very space inefficient

[cinder karma]

Do you save money on a pre-order

[devout vault]

No

[safe dragon]

I know iro hyperoptimized some of the first ones tho so I have no illusions I will beat those

[devout vault]

It’s just reservation. Or it was for the steam deck anyways

[cinder karma]

Then why pre-order?

(Serious q)

[devout vault]

Shipping order

Steam deck had so many orders it came out in batches

So earlier orders got shipped months before later ones

[cinder karma]

I'm not going tk ask what a steam deck is

But

[devout vault]

A switch but for steam (and bulkier)

[cinder karma]

Other than steam handheld running arch Linux I have no idea

[dusty pollen]

steam frame?

[fleet wren]

the new standalone vr headset

[dusty pollen]

oh

[devout vault]

Did you miss the hardware announcements

[dusty pollen]

what a weird name

[cinder karma]

I dont know what a switch js either because that's Nintendo handheld

[dusty pollen]

define “missed”

[cinder karma]

And I think they made a second one

[devout vault]

Sounds like a yes to me 😛

[cinder karma]

Maybe the second one is an octocouple

[dusty pollen]

I don’t keep track of hardware

[devout vault]

Second one is the platform that our lord and savior Sakurai graced us with the gift that is Kirby Air Riders

[cinder karma]

I keep track of hardware ||not that hardware||

Who is Sakurai, isnt Kirby your cat

[devout vault]

Kirby was named after the game character, since I was like 6 or 7 when I got him

[dusty pollen]

my sisters bought me a 3d printed switch stand for christmas but I don’t trust it with my switch lmao

but it’s meant to look like one of the old box monitors

[cinder karma]

I legitimately think of your cat as the Kirby

So. Kirby air riders is your cat on an air skateboard

[devout vault]

Sakurai is the person who was in charge for the original KAR, and the new one.

(And all the smash bros games, and some other older Kirby games, and some other games)

[devout vault]

Yes

[cinder karma]

Why would you buy a 3d printed anything smh

[devout vault]

Did I ever show you my KAR clone project, with cats

[cinder karma]

You're supposed to reverse engineer the model over 1000 iterations

[cinder karma]

Nope!

[cinder karma]

You do have to solve the problem

[devout vault]

I got the cats on the unreal marketplace and did a lot of shenanigans to get it importable to Godot

[cinder karma]

D'awwwww

That's adorable

Look at that little tail

Is the cat looking in the direction of motion

[devout vault]

No

Maybe if it had gotten further

I worked on it in end-2021/beginning-2022

I stopped working on it because art

I had a more recent iteration of KAR clone, but it never got far, because physics.

[cinder karma]

So cute!

It seems like it definitely would have a fan group if finishes

[devout vault]

The original game (and the new one) didn’t support loops like that

I’m noticing that video didn’t show off the flying

Smh me

[cinder karma]

I'm incredibly useless at understanding video game anywyas

[safe dragon]

I'm going through old puzzles and it's funny how quickly I just blast through em now

[pliant snow]

I almost beat level 5 I'll have you know

[safe dragon]

this one is no more...

this is faster and uses less area

[pliant snow]

THAT'S THE ONE

what dark magic

[safe dragon]

why don't I see you in the metrics aquo

[devout vault]

but it costs more

[safe dragon]

it's ok in this part of the story you work for a rich family

[devout vault]

smh, the rich are being wasteful again

[cinder karma]

How much can a relay banana lever arm cost anyways

[devout vault]

Atra??? Referencing a meme?????

Did I enter a parallel universe

[pliant snow]

because I didn't solve it 😔

[cinder karma]

Yes, in 2016

The LHC you see

[safe dragon]

yet another old solution bites the dust

old vs new

only one more chapter 1 solution left to optimize before those are in a good spot

iro beats me in 4 of em tho...

[cinder karma]

How are the steam workshop puzzles

[safe dragon]

no idea... I haven't even finished the game yet

the last original solution from chapter 1 has now also died

old vs new

[fleet wren]

the top rated custom puzzle of all time is a stupidly funny joke though unfortunately not one i expect you'd get

[devout vault]

looks it up

Okay that is pretty good

[safe dragon]

dang it iro

I tried to steal your technique and still failed

[devout vault]

Did iro beat one of your scores

[safe dragon]

I'm trying to match one of theirs

idk if beat is even possible

this loses from iro by 2 cycles

I've failed

gotta find those 2 cycles

I blatantly stole this technique from iro

(I'm) a mere fraud

[devout vault]

Are you calling iro the fraud, or yourself

[safe dragon]

myself

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7086 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1464685593425350696)

[safe dragon]

ok I have an idea and I don't like it

ok finally

I'm never doing this again

I think I ultimately ended up with the exact same solution honestly

I don't think there are multiple ways to achieve this

lmao

I checked and yeah they're identical, just rotated 90 degrees

[safe dragon]

To at elast have something different

[devout vault]

I was about to at the #bulletin-board thing just now, but.... why can't we react to posts there anymore?

Junimos hate us, confirmed

The last post with reacts is from the 6th

smh

[cyan shadow]

Too many controversial reacts

[devout vault]

😔

[crystal wren]

I have fixed the most critical missing reaction.

[cinder karma]

Why canr Casey get special emoji powers with the other devs

[frosty echo]

It has been only-Junimos-can-add-new-reactions for months

[devout vault]

I don't see junimo names on several of the reacts for the jan 6 post

But I also don't know all the junimo names...

[dark veldt]

We don't hate you.

[pliant snow]

They only hate some of you

[remote isle]

[cinder karma]

trying to figure out why my laptop suddenly decided that the middle key was just zoom || the answer was I put my phone on my keyboard||

I think Casey is trustworthy enough to get reacts on #bulletin-board :P

[sand frost]

just casey though, not those rascals pathos and mr ape 😛 (ignore that pathos is a junimo)

[cinder karma]

Dont forget myuu

[dusty pollen]

how long do you think it will take for someone to mod repy's original art in

[prisma flume]

she forgot myuu

[devout vault]

why are you responding to a message from five (5) days ago

[cinder karma]

Also can we get and on the last post

[remote isle]

and and

[dark veldt]

done

[prisma flume]

can we get on the next post

[cinder karma]

can we get blueberry emoji permissions

[dusty pollen]

why aren't you

(it's because I just got the game the other day and remembered wren likes it)

[devout vault]

once again suffers from needing to hot reload a generic

[steel kraken]

from memory I have code in one of my mods where I have a wrapper generic function just to do the indirection so I could hot reload in peace

[devout vault]

I thought of that, but lazy

[steel kraken]

https://github.com/SinZ163/StardewMods/blob/05b9c8ede932093ae11691ac60f694a59e23c449/LookupAnything_FTMIntegration/ModEntry.cs#L73-L82

as far as the github search is concerend that might be the only generic in my codebase as well

[tranquil grove]

haunted by nulls even when I'm not programming

though I've learned that generic fancy font's name now (trajan) from a list of overused ones

[devout vault]

Man, don't you just love when the debugger decides it doesn't want to show you anything at the breakpoint

[rose pumice]

id cry if i ever saw that outside of my programming hours

[dusty pollen]

just use js then, easy /j

[safe dragon]

now you also have undefined

[dusty pollen]

it's okay you can probably still do mathematical operations on undefined

[cinder karma]

Just use rust

Then you can just panic! At the disco

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-bunny-no-nope-nou-gif-14651222

[rain apex]

You mean 7 layers of map_or_else closures right

[cinder karma]

Please I have to make a decision beforehand on what type of addition I want every time

[safe dragon]

I want the one that adds

[devout vault]

Ah, but do you want integer addition, float addition, string addition, or one of the many other options?

[worn remnant]

javascript doesn't really have integer addition since all numbers are floating-point

[devout vault]

Please don't remind me of the horrors of javascript

[safe dragon]

numbers are also heap allocated objects

but that's even true in java I think

just with a bunch of systems to automatically move things to the stack as an optimization

which C# is now also doing more and more with .NET 10

which I have not actually tried out yet

[cinder karma]

Crumble video game wheb

[devout vault]

I thought that was only the case when boxed, like like when you put them into a container

[safe dragon]

oh soz I've been cleaning my kitchen, doing chores and playing Runescape

no opus today

[devout vault]

😔

[cinder karma]

I meant more when would you make your own video game tbh

[safe dragon]

oh

never

I mean I've made some

[devout vault]

Atra most of the people here are sane enough to not try that

oh nevermind

[safe dragon]

for uni

not proper games

[devout vault]

Ah okay

Do not mistake Spiders Code Crimes Georg Casey for the average person. Statistical errors, and all that

[cinder karma]

Dont worry I've been cleaning and figuring out my Healthcare benefits

[fleet wren]

I love that 100% of the crashing bug reports on my mods come from NRE

I FUCKING LOVE NULLS
I LOVE IT WHEN I DONT KNOW IF THE VALUE I GET ACTUALLY EXISTS

(re: esca's post)

[safe dragon]

thankfully we live in a post Nullable=true era of C#

I haven't seen a single null reference exception on projects that use it

[fleet wren]

EVERY TIME I SEE AN NRE COMING FROM AN INDETERMINATE LINE I GET SO happy IT MAKES ME WANT TO love MYSELF

[safe dragon]

damn

[fleet wren]

unfortunately the sdv code base isnt one of those

[safe dragon]

I figured

it's old

[devout vault]

Not if you're stubborn cool

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7096 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1465057990984859751)

New quote added by atravita as #7097 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1465065013684474087)

New quote added by atravita as #7098 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1465065642108518503)

[icy geyser]

to the programmers...hello my people. https://github.com/HourGlss/stardew_growth I made a modeling / sim thing for sdv. i think its pretty useful. feel free to put issues into github.

[supple ether]

Unfortunately for some fucking reason I didn't enable it when I made hhd so now if I want to use it I'll have to refactor the mod to account for it

Or just ignore it for another year

[dusty pollen]

where is ID 108017 from? I’ve never seen that type of ID

also 108094

[rain apex]

You are perhaps looking for #making-mods-general

[devout vault]

It didn't exist when SMAPI/Pathos-mods were made. 😛 What Pathos did was use #nullable enable on individual files, and migrated them over time. Once it was complete, remove those lines and enable it project wide

Of course, Pathos's code is split across a lot more files than the average person's is...

[cinder karma]

wait when did google buy fitbit

[dark veldt]

years ago

[devout vault]

(Stolen from https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1qmsrwh/evilgitclone/, which itself stole it from r/CuratedTumblr, which itself stole it from tumblr (obviously))

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr,

[icy geyser]

i couldnt find a good resource on how to parse svd save data. I dumpster dove a bunch of outdated legacy github projects trying to learn.

probably fine projects, just forgotten and abandoned

[dusty pollen]

this doesn't really answer my question of where those IDs from (I'm not saying they aren't real, I'm just curious)

[devout vault]

I didn't quite get what the repo was about, but as someone who has been around since the stone age of SDV modding, I don't recognize it either

I just opened a copy of my save from 1.07, and there's no 108017 there. And I know I had a single oil maker

[cinder karma]

ugh I'm just tryign to sell my personal information to my health insurance company in exhcange for sweet, sweet discounts why are they making this so hard

rn I need to figure out how to (a) install their app and (b) link it to Google fit.

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7103 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1465146357840085153)

[cinder karma]

lol, this is so stupid

[little furnace]

I agree. I've never seen anything as stupid as MM/DD/YYYY.

[icy geyser]

@dusty pollen https://github.com/NicolasVero/stardew-dashboard/blob/7c5417c3e83cce6852874109d8350553421e4842/data/json/custom_ids.json#L156

I dont speak german, but my parser was misbehaving, so i didnt immediately see it either

figured worth a shot

[cinder karma]

hey this is the first time I've seen blazor in the wild

oh god it's so slow

oh god it's a mobile app badly ported to PC

and by PC I mean wasm

oh god, the typerrors

[cinder karma]

This is literally the only guidance they give

I guess I'm supposed to look at my bank account every day?

[steel kraken]

tbh that kind of looks like rather than using 1.6 item ids properly you are just transcoding big craftables into a offsetted item range.
I would just keep everything as using actual stardew IDs so you don't need to remap everything that came out post 1.6 or other item types

with further evidence of that being the 1.6 objects are also in that file as they never had an integer id to begin with

[devout vault]

I mean if you'll notice that wasn't their repo, it was them saying where they got it from

(or at least, different git account)

[icy geyser]

Yo I didn’t make the first one. I was just trying to find it lol

Anyone got feedback?

Matplotlib fuckery aside

Why are display libraries so kwarg heavy?

[dusty pollen]

idk how much german would have help you seeing as I'm pretty sure that repo is in french but yeah makes sense but just fyi none of those are in the game

[rose shoal]

thats awesome!👍

[hasty sinew]

Holy fuck… 7 hours of back to back work

But I finally have something pretty usable

I’m dreading getting to pipelining, and multiharting, but I set up memory simulation at last

Writing good code is genuinely so much harder than cobbling something together, mentally

[steel kraken]

working code is good code

[safe dragon]

first cobble together and then improve

then complete rewrite cause it's not working out

I've rewritten the entire dynamic form layouting system at work 3 times at this point smh but it's where it should be now

[prisma flume]

dare i ask about multiharting

[hasty sinew]

Yep. I’m at this point

[hasty sinew]

Multithreading/multicore for RISC-V

RISCV cores can’t be multi-threaded
So making a distinction between threads and cores doesn’t make much sense

So, RISC-V simplified things, and instead of using thread/core distinction, it has harts (hardware threads)

The issue is, if I want multiple threads/cores/harts, I need to implement cache coherence policies into my simulator

[devout vault]

I'm surprised there's not a "in rust" in that statement

[safe dragon]

I've never actually rewritten anything in rust

[devout vault]

are you even allowed to say that here

[cinder karma]

No. Banned

[pliant snow]

Me: Are you free for a meeting this morning
Them: Well, a pipe burst in our office this morning, so we're somewhat busy

[cinder karma]

Question for the Americans

[devout vault]

skill issue

[cinder karma]

Is Teams half dead for you today as well

[pliant snow]

I wish

[devout vault]

I haven't heard from my team today.

To be fair though, the west coast might still be sleeping (or at least waking up)

Does that count? 😛

[hasty sinew]

Yes

[safe dragon]

not American and no idea

I haven't touched teams since this morning

[cinder karma]

So far I have taken 15 minutes to set up the VPN because it's weird

Crumble, I asked because the east coast is under 18 inches of snow

So I am not expecting good or even half decent functioning Microsoft today

It took me a good 15 minutes to wrangle our VPN into working

I'm not even looking at my workspace yet it's still loading

Microsoft, what the fucj

You know how discord sometimes doesnt pop up the keyboard?

Outlook never pops up the keyboard when I try to use my yubikey

And also freezes/heats up the phone requiring a full reboot

[tacit night]

teams works completely fine for me; I'm canadian

[devout vault]

Me, on the east coast:

Then again, the place has much worse things going for it.

(Much worse things = “being FL”)

I guess we did get an extreme cold warning last night…

[tacit night]

in my experience my internet works a lot worse in the summer because of humdity

[sand frost]

horrid

[tall cave]

Is that real lmao?
convert that to Celsius and then flip it to negative. I don't want to go outside 🥶

[devout vault]

Yes, very real. My mom and I laughed about it

(The definitive test of realness, obviously)

[tall cave]

If only that was the case here. I'm not even sure what qualifies as extreme cold warning for us lol

I looked it up. Apparently, the threshold is wind chill of -35°C or lower, must last at least two hours.

[little furnace]

I was completely confused until you mentioned it wasn't Celsius.

[tall cave]

Oh btw casey, how do you feel about people taking over your archived mods? sounds like your unlikely to pick them back up? i was considering giving the damage scale a go over for my own benefit anyways.

[sand frost]

Casey I’ve been playing a cute little game where I get paid to pet cats

[tall cave]

That sounds dangerous to being a productive person.
Do tell, what is it?

[little furnace]

It's only productive if you do it in real life.

[sand frost]

Minami Lane

it's a small cute game, not that long but fun to play

[devout vault]

It depends on which one I guess? There's some I definitely want to revisit, but obviously I don't own any of the concepts. 😛 Plus the code license is MIT.

Combat Level Damage Scaler is definitely one that doesn't bother me, though

[devout vault]

grumbles at XmlReader

[pliant snow]

It grumbles back

[devout vault]

boy does it

[prisma flume]

to this day i have no idea what your profile description means and all i've learned is that google is virtually unusable in the modern day

[devout vault]

It's the mathematical constant e

...or am I missing something

[steel kraken]

Interesting, edge copilot gets very biased based on the current open page.

[devout vault]

Oh I looked at the wrong thing

[cinder karma]

Chue is a rust macro looking st the mathematical constant e

Oh but I dont know the profile

[prisma flume]

the programmers do not read the instructions or look at the problem 🙂‍↕️

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7111 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1465522001786572912)

[cinder karma]

Look I'm not a real programmer

Let me be dumb and move weights up and down

[cinder karma]

Wow this is a targeted ad

"How do we sell an iPhone to this person? I know, show off the heat sink."

[sand frost]

that's a heat sink?

it looks funky

i guess v v space constrained

[steel kraken]

a tiny vapor chamber thats like 3mm thick or something silly

(from ifixit)

[cinder karma]

Less cute

[fleet wren]

pretty interesting to read about, a way to spread the heat evenly over a larger area while using relatively little metal

watercooling for phones kinda

my pc is watercooled btw

[steel kraken]

REDMAGIC 11 Pro is a liquid cooled phone but its mostly a gimmic.

vapor chambers are different to liquid cooling, and air coolers use heat pipes that are themselves vapor chambers (or vapor chambers are a type of heat pipe, either or)

[little furnace]

Do you by any chance know a lot about phones?

[crystal wren]

It's very pretty to look at, though.

Good thing it's on the back of the phone where your eyes spend most of their time! /s

[steel kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2Bvy7tSX5E was a video of it

[crystal wren]

Before I click... is it going to involve a bend attempt?

Oh, nope!

[steel kraken]

I can't watch jerry rig everything

the amount of abuse he puts on the hardware I just can't watch (or listen to)

[crystal wren]

Oh, yeah, that's super fair. I skip past the... well, you know the specific parts I mean.

If I say them, I'll hear them.

[steel kraken]

not much to know about them, I only know about the redmagic gimmic phone from the ltt video

but I've been in the nexus/pixel family for a decade

I don't have my nexus 5x anymore, but the pixel 2xl, pixel 4xl, pixel 6xl are all around the place in my apartment and I had to ship the pixel 8xl back as it was a work lease phone, and got the pixel 10 proxl currently

but tbh the only real differenciator between the phones are their software ecosystems, between pixel, samsung, iPhone and the others

[crystal wren]

I went from Pixel to a Samsung this most recent generation, and I'm... having second thoughts.

My thinking was it had been since the Note 2 when I last had a Samsung phone, so I thought it'd be worth a try.

[steel kraken]

my phone prior the the nexus was some shitty LG phone where I couldn't use adb and had to use their proprietary shit that never worked, and when I first bought the nexus phone I had deployed my own apk onto the phone in like a minute and I haven't left it since.

I know samsung isn't as bad as what the old LG days were, and there are benefits to the samsung ecosystem but I also just don't want to relearn all the system navigation stuff

[crystal wren]

The thing that's really making me want to jump ship immediately, though, is the keyboard clipboard nonsense. Even though I'm using Google's keyboard, Samsung's keyboard keeps grabbing stuff from the clipboard.

I do not particularly trust that!

[steel kraken]

and for the same reason iphone doesn't exist as I'm not allowed to compile an ios application on windows or linux, nor do it without an annual renewing license from apple for the privilege of doing so

[cyan shadow]

I think you can disable Samsung's keyboard somewhere

[crystal wren]

With adb, yeah, but that's risky if you ever need to safe mode boot the phone.

Which isn't a risk I particularly want to take!

[cyan shadow]

Ah

I have a third party keyboard myself and I haven't noticed the clipboard issue, so I'll do a bit of digging on my own phone

[steel kraken]

in the pixel ecosystem the only thing I've replaced is the launcher with nova and then sideload an apk to still keep the swipe left for news feed thing.
(and only replaced the launcher to begin with as pixel removed the squircle icon shape which I love)

[crystal wren]

It's a common enough thing it's a top recommended search.

[pliant snow]

Didnt nova get bought out by some shady group

[steel kraken]

nova got discontinued or something

but it still works for now

[cyan shadow]

Update: when this thing breaks I'm getting a Fairphone

[pliant snow]

That sounds

[crystal wren]

https://tenor.com/WPGq.gif

[pliant snow]

fair

[steel kraken]

ah they got un-shutdown by being bought out like a week ago, news to me

will stay on it for now until bad things™ actually happen

[prisma flume]

just last week i installed the google keyboard to replace the samsung keyboard because i'm sick of its brainless spellchecker

[crystal wren]

It's mind numbing, right?

[prisma flume]

i'm sure my old iphone 4/6/8/whatever could guess that it's possible to misspell the first letter of a word

but no, samsung knows for sure that whatever word i misspelled definitely absolutely started with that letter

[cinder karma]

Tbh I buy Samsung because they are cheap

The OS is notably unstable

[steel kraken]

Gotta love it when the ducking autocorrect decides it knows best

[prisma flume]

cheap is a very cheap word these days

[cinder karma]

(The A line, not the S line)

[crystal wren]

Not the fold line?

[cyan shadow]

I use FUTO keyboard these days, works alright but I have multiple languages enabled and I think that causes it to shit itself a bit

[prisma flume]

the A line is easily over 700aud, and buying a 'cheap' brand gets you a dysfunctional phone

[cinder karma]

Dh, I built bendable transistors with my own two hands

I will never buy a folding phone

[prisma flume]

surely all transistors are bendable

[cyan shadow]

I have an S21 FE, was less than 200 euros and is serving me well so far

[prisma flume]

you just don't want to

[cyan shadow]

I _did_buy it in India, idk if that affects the price all that much

Our electronic tax is pretty high so surely not

[cinder karma]

A54 is like $169 usd on best buy?

[steel kraken]

My 10 pro xl was 1500 AUD on black friday sale and I'll try to have it run 3-4 years unlike my traditional 2 year cycle

[prisma flume]

3 years is a long lifespan???

[cyan shadow]

All transistors are bendable at least once!

[cinder karma]

And all my phones get at least 3 years....often closer to 5

[steel kraken]

I don't respect the battery enough to make it last long

[cyan shadow]

I use mine for at least three, yeah

[crystal wren]

At what point does a bend become a snap?...

[prisma flume]

when you can hear it

[cyan shadow]

But the battery usually goes bye bye at some point so I do one battery change if it's cheap enough to do so

[cinder karma]

For the entire last two years of my last phone I carried a charger with me

[prisma flume]

or when the sparks come out ☀️

[crystal wren]

My joints are snapping?! Oh no!

[cinder karma]

This is the subject of materials science

God I'm rusty

Lol.

[steel kraken]

And both my 4 and 6 had their USB C ports partially fail and they would refuse to let a cable stay plugged in at the 2 year mark making them wireless charge only

[crystal wren]

My only understanding of the subject is the term plastic.

That is all.

Speaking of, I miss phones being plastic.

[steel kraken]

And my 6 had its power button physically fall off at the 3.5 year mark

[prisma flume]

my samsung a70 (i think) was doing fine until i accidentally threw it 2 metres up and then the internal battery ribbon cable stopped connecting so good

[cyan shadow]

I remember my French teacher in high school dropping her phone and the damn thing splitting into back cover, battery, screen

Not a scratch on any of the three parts, but we did get an out-of-syllabus lesson on swearing that day

[prisma flume]

alas the repair shops tried wedging so much junk into it for my hard-earned money, to no avail

[cyan shadow]

It was some kind of antique LG, she loved that thing

[cinder karma]

The modern phone is justtttt at my repair limit

[prisma flume]

no idea why they didnt just glue it down

[cinder karma]

So I'll usually give it a try myself

[cyan shadow]

iFixit go brrr

[cinder karma]

IFixit and company perks :p

[crystal wren]

A battery placement is about all I'll do reasonably confidently. Screens... nah, don't want to have to deal with that. Unless it's already broken, I guess.

[cyan shadow]

I have one of their electronic repair basics kits, it's quite a handy little kit

[cinder karma]

(The company perks in question is that we can use company equipment, as long as no company use is happening at the time)

[cyan shadow]

I also use the screwdriver for other shenanigans, it's a good size for a lot of bike repair work, funnily enough

[cyan shadow]

(That is quite handy!)

[cinder karma]

Mostly the extremely extensive soldering stations

[prisma flume]

ah we have a similar company perk, but it's for a playstation

[crystal wren]

I imagine the one that gets the most use is the hot air station, right?

At least for... personal use.

[steel kraken]

My company perk was getting free phones every 2 years, but this iteration they won't do the xl variants anymore so had to go back to buying it myself

[cyan shadow]

My bell tolled its last "GET OUTTA THE WAY" a few weeks ago after some broke it at the bike storage, for example

[prisma flume]

i've been using an xl phone for a while now with these big samsungs and it's great and all but also every pair of jeans i own now has an xl phone sized outline of faded denim

[steel kraken]

Pocket depth is very much a key metric when owning xl phones

[cyan shadow]

I make a point of buying jackets with pockets that'll hold a phone no problem but also have one of those uniqlo crescent bags, so my jeans don't have this problem

[prisma flume]

364 days out of the year it's too hot to wear a jacket here

[cyan shadow]

But yeah, I don't tend to carry my phone in my trouser pockets because it tends to stab me in the leg while biking

[prisma flume]

but i do look great for that 1.25 day

[cyan shadow]

Yeah the jacket is a perk of a colder climate, admittedly

[steel kraken]

I wear hoodies 365.248 days a year, up to and including the current 45c heat wave

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7112 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1465689013393293465)

[cyan shadow]

pedal stab pedal stab OUCH phone gets put in bag

[cinder karma]

I just add to my jeans

Here

[cyan shadow]

My pockets are adequate in size, it's my vehicle of choice that proves annoying

[cinder karma]

See the extra blue? Added in post, puts the phone past the hip joint

[crystal wren]

Speaking of size, look at this shenanigans Google pulled.

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7113 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1465689340196814869)

[prisma flume]

and so we come full circle to 5 drop 7 fire 9 gemini with the google pixel 6 pro (tm)

[cinder karma]

I forgot Google made phones

Tbh bluebs if I could buy a xiaomi I would lol

[steel kraken]

Yeah this gen they milked the double suffixes

[cyan shadow]

Phone goes in quite far, but it stabs me in the thigh, not my hip

[prisma flume]

i'm sure these phones are exclusively for rich women buying rich women things for their rich women handbags

that is a got dam tablet

[cinder karma]

I like a smol phone for my smol little hands

[steel kraken]

Iirc there was a vertical folding phone that was meant to be very good for women handbags

[cinder karma]

Ew, folding

[crystal wren]

No, that's a tablet.

Ew, folding indeed.

[cyan shadow]

My bag holds a surprising amount for how small it is

[prisma flume]

that is a got dam all in one

[cyan shadow]

Uniqlo made a TARDIS, it seems

[crystal wren]

As soon as the screen technology exists to make folding phones make sense, I'm 100% on board.

[steel kraken]

My next phone might be fold but gotta wait out the lifespan of this one to buy time for them to get better

[cyan shadow]

But yeah no I don't want my phone to fold to fit in a bag, I want a smaller phone

[prisma flume]

i just don't see the point. half the time it's half as useful and twice as thick

the other half it's just too big

[cinder karma]

I dont mind a thick phone

After all, I've attached my wallet to mine

[crystal wren]

I kinda want a thicker phone.

[prisma flume]

and, gloriously, with a conspicuous bend mark running straight down the middle

[cinder karma]

So it's 40% phone and 60% leather wallet

Anyways

What do people do with phones like that

[prisma flume]

how do you people live with thicc phones

it's bad enough just having a case on mine

[cinder karma]

I have big pocket and I cant deny

[cyan shadow]

If it's thicc it better be indestructible, I say

[cinder karma]

The wallet does a damn good job protecting it

[cyan shadow]

so if someone tries to mug me I can swing the bag like a mace

[past dune]

i miss the days where the floor would get hurt when you dropped your phone

[cinder karma]

Nokia, right?

I joke that what I really want is smth that checks email

[prisma flume]

amusingly my (quite) old nokia is one of my shorter-lived phones

a brick, too

[cyan shadow]

There's still a hole in my old room's floor tiles where my dad's nokia fell many moons ago

[remote isle]

oh yea las year i mmade a minecraft mod

[little furnace]

Not really for me. I want one without a central notch or camera hole. Left-aligned works, but those don't really exist anymore. So I either use a weird UDC Chinese phone or Sony.
And because I need an unlocked bootloader, Sony it is. But I'm biased against Sony due to past experiences, so I'm always asking people who seem to know stuff.

[little furnace]

Using a Fairphone right now and I mostly love it. Go for it.

[cinder karma]

Dutch university to start handing out only Fairphones to employees, instead of buying iPhones or Samsung. : r/BuyFromEU https://share.google/rVK6tSQDWMCcbj2j0

Interesting

[cyan shadow]

Fairphone is Dutch, yeah

[cinder karma]

$899 ☠️

[devout vault]

something something women's pants and having pockets to begin with

[uncut seal]

based af

[past dune]

feel like the "small but not crappy smartphone" market is a bit underserved. there are dozens of us, dozens!

[frosty echo]

What do you mean "a bit". I don't think there's really any

[cinder karma]

What do you mean by "not crappy"

Mine checks email like a champ

Got a calender, no complaints

[little furnace]

Depending on your definition, the Unihertz Jelly Star might qualify:

https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-star

Or the Jelly Max if you can tolerate it being bigger:

https://www.unihertz.com/products/jelly-max

They have a lot of interesting phones. One has an in-built projector.