programmers-off-topic

[pliant snow]

my grandparents had one of those too

[little furnace]

Technically, all single player board games are also Solitaire games.

[dusty pollen]

but different rules entirely

[safe dragon]

Abalone are sea snails in the genus Haliotis

[safe dragon]

that looks like hexagonal checkers

[little furnace]

It kinda is except it isn't.

[dusty pollen]

I use "based on" very loosely, just the same board shape

[safe dragon]

damn

[little furnace]

But it's one of these perfect information games. Like chess.

Or checkers.

[dusty pollen]

or go, I guess

[safe dragon]

or Othello...

[little furnace]

Or Reversi.

[safe dragon]

that's the same game I think...

[little furnace]

Apparently that's a brand name.

[safe dragon]

I had a big box of board games growing up but I had no idea how to play like 80% of em so I just ignored them

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7056 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1463304369561931819)

[dusty pollen]

isn't that what you're meant to do with the childhood box of board games

[devout vault]

No, you're meant to play them but still not learn how to play them and just make up your own rules instead

(at least during childhood)

Exhibit A: not a board game, but every group of people having their own house rules for Uno

Exhibit B: the same, but actually a board game this time (Monopoly)

[fleet wren]

me as a child clicking random cards in the Hearts game and somehow getting the highest score every time (this means I'm a total genius)

[dusty pollen]

had to look it up

[devout vault]

Sudden dumb resume idea: "Experienced in adapting to constantly changing requirements" (your experience: just calvinball)

[cinder karma]

I thought with cvs you had a 4 ft receipt and 33 pages of coupons

[cinder karma]

How old am I?

[devout vault]

Physically or culturally

[cinder karma]

Watching YouTube videos on how to use my scheduling app old

Either!

[safe dragon]

ok so young enough to use a scheduling app instead of a physical calendar

[sand frost]

i have a physical calendar

[prisma flume]

latest win11 gripe is when you reach a critically low amount of available ram, opening task manager doesn't actually open task amanger but instead opens a new prompt that only lets you end tasks

[cinder karma]

Up until 1 year ago I was a bullet journal person

[cinder karma]

Work doesnt let us access task manager

Which

You know

Fair I guess but

[prisma flume]

always surprising reading about locked-down group policy on work computers when our laptops at my work are literally just windows on a laptop and you do what you want

sent from discord on my work laptop

people using remote play to beat levels in black myth wukong from their home steam/playstation over lunch

[cinder karma]

What's a Playstation

[prisma flume]

it's like a nintendo, but it plays compact discs instead of cartridges

[cinder karma]

Oh

Nintendo is that company Sabrina Carpenter sings about?

.qp i use a paper calender

[prisma flume]

it also saves your memory to a little memory cartridge instead of the game disc

[cinder karma]

.qp I use a digital calendar

.qp I use no calendar

[prisma flume]

i feel like this couldve been 🗒️ 📱 ❎

will submit a pr to refactor tomorrow

[cinder karma]

Smh

[sand frost]

i have 3+ different calendars

it's not ideal

[cinder karma]

Elizabeth, how goes spreadsheets

[sand frost]

there's the family calendar (paper), my apple calendar (personal), my work calendar (outlook, horrid), and my work calendar part 2 compatible with students (gmail)

my spreadsheets go excellent, thanks

only has 5 tabs but maybe it will grow

actually now it has 6

[prisma flume]

my calendar is me getting messages the day before about 'what time are we doing thing'

i do not look at my work calendar (outlook, horrid)

the rest of my life is dictated by a transient and ever-replenishing pile of business cards with dates on the back

[cinder karma]

You get actual business cards

What

[sand frost]

I’ve had those

I should get more

[cinder karma]

I've never had my own business cards

[sand frost]

I got some when I was on the job market at the end of grad school

[devout vault]

I am once again complaining about VS sneaking using System.Numerics; into files for no good reason and then screaming when it breaks stuff because suddenly Vector2 is ambiguous

At this point just a way to turn off automatic imports would be nice, since like.... no, FarmerSprite doesn't need the GOG SDK

[cinder karma]

c# - Prevent Visual Studio from auto import namespace when copy paste - Stack Overflow https://share.google/hwyX1yAr6xSVB2eJX ?

[devout vault]

I'm not sure if that'll work since it's almost never from pasting something that used System.Numerics, but remind me in 12 hours to try this

[heavy dagger]

freakin' kittycatcasey, always needin' stuff. FINE. (#7038740) (12h | <t:1769008347>)

[devout vault]

(Because I'll be back at the downstairs laptop at that time. 😛 I just did it on my desktop VS, but I'm not coding more tonight)

[prisma flume]

this and System.Drawing or some other bull drives me nuts. just decides to pop in to add ambiguity to Rectangle references

[devout vault]

System.Numerics? More like System.NO MORE, ICK (s)

[red crest]

tbh at least this can be avoided... I get more annoyed when I'm writing stuff that uses both Monogame Rectangle and xTiled Rectangle at the same time

[prisma flume]

i'm not sure if this is the right channel (or server) for D&D group invites hahah

[thin estuary]

their chat history is literally only that, and only in this channel

[safe dragon]

we don't have time for dnd we already gotta play zachtronics games

[prisma flume]

it does fit the 'not related to stardew valley' and also 'sebs basement' topics

[devout vault]

Yeah, those situations are often the ones I end up doing a using XRectangle = namespace.for.xtile.Rectangle; sort of thing

[dusty pollen]

you're still in the wrong channel

[pliant snow]

all I want is bazarr to just always download subtitles for everything, why is its UI so resistant to doing that

[cinder karma]

.qp I own business cards

Is the duolingo leader board a multiplayer game

[steel kraken]

I do own a pack of holographic SinZ stickers

[prisma flume]

and i own a pack of blueberries. nature's own

honestly impressed tho

[cinder karma]

Hey, I have plenty of ignored new years resolutions

[little furnace]

I have neither Pink nor Serenity.

[pliant snow]

serenity now...

[rain apex]

Do you hand these out at the sinzational conference

[devout vault]

I am being increasingly confused at how you use .qp.

Like... that's not a poll, that's a "yes I do in fact own business cards" or a "no I don't actually own any business cards", right????

Are we gambling on "statements about atra" or something???????????

[worn remnant]

i think it's phrased as if it were a questionnaire. tick the box that applies to you

[devout vault]

Hmm. My previous assumption sounds funner

[worn remnant]

or like one of those "which character from X are you" quizzes. "i like long walks on the beaches and strawberries and peaches" "strongly disagree/disagree/neutral/agree/strongly agree"

[devout vault]

I retract my bewilderment, solely because I want it to be right because it would be funner 😔

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: try this (12h ago)

[devout vault]

For those on VS 2026 - Tools > Options now opens a tab instead of a window for the settings, which doesn't support the same things (and organized differently and support less things - ex. C# is not under Text Editor).

However, in classic MS fashion, the old options window is still a thing and redirected to sometimes, just like Windows and the classic Control Panel.

So if you go to Languages > C# > More Settings and click "Advanced", the old style options menu pops up, and it opens directly to the page where the option is.

[marble jewel]

You know what Visual Studio needs is ribbon UI. I’ve always thought it should be more like Microsoft word.

I mean why isn’t it optimized for touch for all the people who do their hardcore programming on a tablet?

[little furnace]

Honestly, Ribbon UI doesn't sound too bad. A lot of good options and features are really hidden.

[safe dragon]

is this actually a thing where you are. I don't think I have ever received business cards from anyone anywhere ever

[rain apex]

Modern IDE have too many buttons tbh

[little furnace]

Let's get back to Emacs with too many shortcuts.

[safe dragon]

is the "use advanced to get the old menu back" just part of Microsoft's design guide

they do it so often

introduce a new menu that can't do fuckin anything you want to do and then add an advanced settings that gets you the actually usable menu

it's gotta be part of their style guide

[little furnace]

Hot take: Windows 8.1 was better than Windows 10.

[safe dragon]

I wouldn't know

I went straight from 7 to 10

I've never experienced windows 8 or 8.1

[little furnace]

I grew up with 2000. Those were the times...

[safe dragon]

mainly xp and 7 for me

also never used vista

not intentional, I was a child

but still

[rain apex]

All i really want is build and run with debug i feel

[devout vault]

Only when coupled with “make it increasingly hard to get to the old menu as time goes on”

[devout vault]

Same, both “versions used” and “why”.

[cinder karma]

I got pgp keys before I got a business card lol

It's bluebs over there with physical business cards

[dusty pollen]

PSA: TIS-100 is fun and also not the right thing to do when you have a migraine

[devout vault]

I thought the only correct answer to "the right thing to do when you have a migraine" was "nothing, just wait it out" (besides medicine or things that make it less bad)

(I've never had a migraine, I think)

[cinder karma]

I have no clue what that is but I'll replace it with "bank of America mortage 100 documentation"

[devout vault]

It's another Zachtronics game I think

https://store.steampowered.com/app/370360/TIS100/

Steam

TIS-100

TIS-100 is an open-ended programming game by Zachtronics, the creators of SpaceChem and Infinifactory, in which you rewrite corrupted code segments to repair the TIS-100 and unlock its secrets. It’s the assembly language programming game you never asked for!…

Price

$6.99

Recommendations

3299

[heavy dagger]

Title result: TIS-100 on Steam

[devout vault]

"huh, I should add this to my wishlist"
opens the page in the steam client instaed
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN"

I apparently got it in 2016

[worn remnant]

something more important must have come out that year

[cinder karma]

Yes, Obama

[pliant snow]

Obama came out in 2016?

[devout vault]

I have 84 games in the 2016 category. So no, it was probably just humble bundle madness

I know I got Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky from a humble bundle, during that year (source: the achievement timestamps), because I remember it ending on such a cliffhanger I basically had to buy Second Chapter immediately

[worn remnant]

i was referring to a particular game. i don't think it's that well-known

[cinder karma]

Obama won the presidency in 2016

This is why I'm going back to 2016 music

[devout vault]

And got screwed from a 100% run on the first game because I didn't realize the quests were progression-time sensitive until after I got locked after some.

I had been saving those side quests precisely for the moment they got locked out, too. (ie. when the story finally wanted me to move to a new region)

[cinder karma]

Also stardew, apparently

Yay!

I hear it's great

[devout vault]

Have you considered: I'm an idiot with a poor sense of time

[worn remnant]

(this is the one i was talking about)

[cinder karma]

(I'm so sorry, ichor)

My heart and soul aches for Obama

[devout vault]

(I figured that was the case once you mentioned "to a particular game", but for the sake of the joke, I'm going to assume you mean the PC release of the hit mobile game, Junk Jack)

(Definitely fits not being well-known 😛 )

(I had to go scrolling through my steam game list to find a game that releasd in 2016 that I actually played. Even if only for 12 minutes on the steam version)

(It was harder than I expected because of the games I actually played, I usually played them at least a couple years after initial release)

[pliant snow]

You might need to check your history textbook again

[cinder karma]

....fuck

[safe dragon]

lmao

[cinder karma]

I take your reality and substitute my own

[safe dragon]

opus magnum truly is a drug

doing micro optimizations knowing you will never have to deal with the consequences

putting in that extra claw just to interleave one more element faster

[devout vault]

you must be from the harambe-didn't-die timeline /s

(Yes I'm aware there's a good chance atra missed that meme)

[safe dragon]

and if they didn't they might still pretend they did smh

[devout vault]

.q 6865

[heavy dagger]

#6865

Secretly, casey, I do know what a video game is

• @cinder karma (Jump)

Dec 24, 2025, 3:14 AM

[cinder karma]

Me doing advent of code

[cinder karma]

I did

[little furnace]

Obama is gay?

[thin estuary]

it hurts my brain

i've tried it a bit yesterday

i've noped the hell out when i saw this

[safe dragon]

first opus magnum solution where I felt like I was constrained by the number of arms you can have at the same time...

mostly cause I was trying to be fast

it's rapidly devolving into madness

wait maybe this can be faster..

[rain apex]

#zachtronics-general

I like how these games look even tho idk what's the underlying wizardry

[safe dragon]

never mind it's not any faster

it's fun wizardry

[devout vault]

It's not wizardry it's alchemy smh

[safe dragon]

of course my bad

I should've never started playing this game

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7057 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1463638874684133653)

[cinder karma]

Anyways hopefully 1.7 or HC releases soon so y'all can squee over that

[safe dragon]

me? I barely know what sdv is

[fleet wren]

lmao this is almost exactly word for word what the protagonist said

one of my favorite thing about the plot is that he is completely and utterly insufferable

[safe dragon]

yeah you're playing as very unlikable character

[dusty pollen]

there’s a limit???

[safe dragon]

is there not?

can you get more than 6

oh you can

[dusty pollen]

yeah, you just have to scroll down the instruction list lmao

[safe dragon]

you just have to scroll

damn

advanced technique

[dusty pollen]

I was gonna say

[devout vault]

reading 😔

[dusty pollen]

oh they never show you the list of controls for some reason casey

[devout vault]

Can't wait for crumble to do the "nothing you can't learn without scrolling" 100% run challenege

[devout vault]

skill issue

[dusty pollen]

crumble if you haven’t checked it yet, do I only did when I got to the journal levels so I did the entire main campaign unable to rotate groups of arms together or copy and paste things

[devout vault]

suddenly envisions an RPG focused on a person who can't rotate their arms

(to clarify, I'm envisioning "shoulder=yes" and "elbow=no")

(you can pick the elbow rotation once at character creation, which will impact your build for the entire game)

[dusty pollen]

at the very end, they move an element of the HUD and reveal a big “rotate arms” button

[dusty pollen]

oh I was picturing shoulder=only a tiny bit elbow=no

[devout vault]

Hmm. That's acceptable as long as you're still allowing the wrist and beyond

[safe dragon]

you can copy paste and rotate groups?

well damn you can

glad I found out now

my last creation before bed

it's hypnotic to look and the end result of these things

[supple escarp]

The

[dusty pollen]

ah you’re just spamming, I see

[devout vault]

Seeing the conversation happen in #making-mods-general in then popping here and seeing it as well confused me for a moment

[prisma flume]

everyday win11 gripe: window resize grab border is exactly 1px wide and the monitor be 4k and windows resizes all my windows to stupid dimensions of its own volition whenever i change monitors

[marble jewel]

Powertoys helps with window management

It can remember layouts and restore them

[prisma flume]

windows can remember layouts and restore them

it just has a very warped idea of what the layouts were

[little furnace]

Windows actually can do a lot of stuff if it wants to.

[safe dragon]

my favorite Windows nonsense is when it spawns a window with the window title bar being placed higher than the top of the monitor and because windows doesn't have super + drag to move windows it's just kinda stuck there

[little furnace]

You can use a keybind to maximize it.

[dusty pollen]

I just learned about windows+arrow keys for that

[prisma flume]

i breathe win+arrows

[safe dragon]

there are ways out of it true

[dusty pollen]

windows+ctrl+up maximises I think

[marble jewel]

I'm using a scrolling/tiling window manager on Windows 11, and I have it configured to switch between two layouts depending on my monitor width. So it can display 3 windows side-by-side or 2.

[prisma flume]

i generally hate tiling, i just want snapping

unfortunately windows has gone all in on tiling and still doesnt have snapping

[little furnace]

Windows has tiling?

[marble jewel]

The WM I use, Komorebi, also supports different layout modes

[dusty pollen]

windows doesn’t have snapping?

[prisma flume]

yep, drag a window around some and a tab will appear at the top of the screen (with a setting enabled)
drag onto the tab and you'll bring up tiling layouts, or just use win+arrows and it'll do the same (with a setting enabled)

[cinder karma]

Do u have more pretty machihss

[dusty pollen]

oh is this win 11

[little furnace]

You could open Steam and buy the game...

[prisma flume]

win10 has the same features, but yes, win11

[cinder karma]

No

[prisma flume]

steam has window snapping has done for like 10 years

[dusty pollen]

atra doesn’t play video games

[cinder karma]

Steam will remain closed until Casey finishes 3d mod

[lucid sundial]

I've had that happen a few times, gets interesting

[dusty pollen]

in fact, may not even know what they are

[cinder karma]

I dont believe in paying full price for things that regularly go on discount

[little furnace]

I don't really understand how discounts work. If you can sell it at a lower price, why not always do that?

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7059 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1463679896672010406)

[marble jewel]

You may not play video games, but would you be interested in a virtual simulation of a universe that is composed of 1m^3 blocks?

[devout vault]

There are tricks to move it with your arrow keys!

Tricks that have become harder and harder to access as times goes on, as is tradition

[prisma flume]

consider that the current price is the lower price. are you buying all these products, or are you waiting for them to be discounted?

[dusty pollen]

matt left the minecraft mines for one second just to say this

[cinder karma]

Not really tbh

[little furnace]

3D Tetris?

[lucid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/tetris-simpsons-moving-gif-4824859

[marble jewel]

Close enough

[little furnace]

Now I've got the song stuck in my head...

[safe dragon]

make them urself

[devout vault]

At the moment I can shift right-click some windows on the taskbar (my windows are not collapsed) for it to pop up.

Fun fact, some context menus are dark mode, some are light mode

[little furnace]

I tried thinking about that for the past two minutes and realized that I'm not smart enough to understand that.

[prisma flume]

i don't think i've ever used shift-mouse2 on taskbar icons. probably because half of them don't work

[devout vault]

For what I have open right now:

• works - steam, firefox, notepad, git bash, explorer, task manager
• doesn't work - obsidian, discord

[marble jewel]

Doesn't work have things in common

[prisma flume]

also with auto-hide taskbar the taskbar hides while you have context menus open from the taskbar. god

[marble jewel]

Aren't both of those Electron apps?

[devout vault]

[little furnace]

Steam also is an Electron app.

[devout vault]

...huh?

Doesn't Steam predate electron

[little furnace]

It got updated.

[prisma flume]

in short:

• discounts are predatory marketing that works because people want to think they're paying less even if the price is the default

[little furnace]

So actually you pay more if it isn't on discount?

[cinder karma]

It's just surveillance pricing

Anyways. I'm not going to buy not on sale

[prisma flume]

see i can tell steam uses electron because it makes my win11 pc flash the screen black whenever a video element is onscreen (god fucking christ)

[little furnace]

Okay, I need to correct myself, Steam is CEF, which is a bit different to Electron but not much.

[devout vault]

Yeah I knew it used something along those lines, but was confused by specifically Electron

[little furnace]

Well, Steam also predates CEF, so it doesn't really matter much.

Or maybe it does, considering the issue doesn't happen there.

[prisma flume]

you can also tell it incorporates some chromium/electron because it's no longer compatible with win7 as of ~3 years ago

[devout vault]

Yeah, but I imagine changing native embedded browser things feels very different from suddenly porting the whole app to be running in electron

[devout vault]

I was able to tell because they had warnings everywhere up around then 😌

[prisma flume]

ah the friendly red banner of microsoft planned obsolescence

pretty sure dad's still running steam on windows 7 to this very day though

we were played for absolute fools

[little furnace]

I just realized Steam is older than Firefox.

[prisma flume]

technically yes, but surely firefox is just a continuation of netscape

[devout vault]

Ah yes, #programmers-off-topic 's favorite topic, philosophy

(something something ship of theseus)

[little furnace]

Can't say anything against that.

By the way, I miss old Opera.

[prisma flume]

wow was i right about something vaguely technical in #progo what a thrill

[frosty echo]

Vivaldi is basically the spiritual successor of old Opera

[little furnace]

It's still Chromium.

I want Presto back.

[devout vault]

Sounds like something needs to cross from "really really want" to "really really really want" for you to buy it instead of putting the money towards your IRA

[prisma flume]

i really really really wanna fund my zig-a-zig-ah

[little furnace]

IRA is not the Irish Republican Army, is it?

[prisma flume]

it's an american thing 🙂‍↕️

[little furnace]

Americans have weird things.

[cinder karma]

(Individual Retirement Account)

[cinder karma]

It's basically price discrimination

In their ideal world businesses want to charge as much as they can to each individual person

Some things....flights are probably the most infamous.....can get away with it

But most of everyone else does some sort of promotions, coupons etc

[little furnace]

Economics are weird. And complicated.

[cinder karma]

It's kinda fun!

I enjoy it lol

[little furnace]

Well, you do you. I think I prefer ice cream.

[cinder karma]

It's fucking hilarious that I am, of all people, the local capitalist

[cinder karma]

(I come from deep environmentalist roots lol.)

[steel kraken]

the over simplification is you want to make as much money as possible so you charge as much as possible, but if you charge too much a customer might buy from your competitor or just stop using that type of product.

discounts are a tool to keep making max money from customers that aren't as price sensitive, but the price sensitive customer still buy your thing because some money is better than no money (as long as its still some profit margin)
though sometimes its okay to sell below cost if it makes the customer happy and they buy other stuff as a result that you do make money on, or to kill competition and raise prices later when the customer has no other choices left.

[devout vault]

Didn't we talk about minesweeper roguelikes here recently-ish?

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3473250/BroomSweeper/

Steam

BroomSweeper

It’s the night shift at your new job as janitor at megacorp TentaTeq, Inc.’s giant headquarters. All alone with hundreds of offices full of dust to sweep… or so you’ve been told. Strange sounds emanate from nearby rooms, dust bunnies spring to life, and suddenly you find yourself fighting to clear the tiles and survive with your newfound…

Price

$19.99

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Save 20% on BroomSweeper on Steam

[tacit night]

is it possible to unpack unity assets (for a window game) on macos? I want to look at a tile sheet for inspiration. I tried using assetripper, but it turned it into a bunch of bundle files which are still not really useable on my device

[supple ether]

Assetripper should be able to unpack bundle files themselves

[tacit night]

😔 i guess i got really confused with the ui because i only found that it only let me download the bundle files

[supple ether]

So extract the bundles then open the bundles in assetripper?

[tacit night]

it worked thank you so much!

😭 holy moly imagine having a copy of the tileset png for every single location/map in the game that uses it

one of the locations literally has a copy of the same tileset copy in the same folder, why do you need two of them 😭

[supple ether]

Unity is not really designed for 2d

Continually baffles me that people still use it for that

[tacit night]

the game I was looking at is the final fantasy 6 pixel remaster, I guess it's alright to have that many png files because they're pretty small, but there are like 350~ unique main map folders, and 400 pngs

[supple ether]

Jesus

It's still always better to atlas if you can

Minecraft gets away with individual textures because it packs them into one giant atlas at runtime

[devout vault]

Back in my day, MC didn't have any of these fancy giant texture atlases, it- dies from old people things

[supple ether]

Honestly I wish more games would do that. It increases load times, but it's great for performance

[supple ether]

Do NOT remind me of texture indices, please

[devout vault]

-# SDV pre-1.6 ParentSheetIndex

Atlassed textures can look horrifying at first glance when you're used to normal tilesheets. A friend of mine looked the files for Lets Build a Zoo once, and while they were clearly atlassed, they looked like a nightmare at first glance

[supple ether]

Atlases are horrible to author and mod, but the batching... So good...

Sdv kind of had the worst of both worlds though- it used atlases, but only for some things, which kinda defeats the point

Although it's bottlenecked by everything getting recalculated every frame anyways, so batching probably wouldn't help much

[devout vault]

spoilers for Lets Build a Zoo (early versions?) - zoomed out not full detail so you can't get the original assets from this even if you wanted

[pliant snow]

This is kinda funny because it's a SNES game, they would've had to had shared tilesets for all of the different maps in the game. I wonder if part of the dumping process, they just did each of them individually and thought it wasn't worth their time to remove the redundant ones

[supple ether]

Now that's what I like to see!!

[devout vault]

Or as my former-modder friend who was interested in it put it (someone who was unaware of texture atlasing)

[devout vault]

And the depth sorting means it can't take much advantage of what it does have since it does it all CPU side!

[supple ether]

Back in my day we dumped atlases from gba carts and we called them spritesheets

And by "we" I mean people smarter than me with equipment I didn't have. But you know

[tacit night]

there was one folder with 2 of the exact same tilesets, copied from the other folders which usually had 1 copy. It seems to me they just copy and pasted the asset to every map folder. I don't even know

there were even a few ff4 assets in there

[supple ether]

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/texture-dump

[supple ether]

What kind of files were the maps themselves? Are they data or just meshes?

[tacit night]

I still call them sprites, but searching it up only brings the modern term of sprites

[pliant snow]

The youth have changed the meaning of sprites?

[tacit night]

a bunch of individual jsons, and the route instruction is the path finding of the npcs (I'm just guessing)

there's like one main map folder (which I assume is the area) and then the smaller maps are like the indoor areas

[supple ether]

Oh right, everything is ecs in unity

Womp womp

[pliant snow]

Maybe it's room A and room B and they shared the exact same spritesheet, but fuck it let's just duplicate the files so that it's easier to match up the filenames to the room IDs

[devout vault]

One of my early C++ games - a ludum dare one - I designed it so I made the whole location in photoshop or whatever (yes it was pixel art 😛 ), and then at runtime chopped the image into room sized portions, resaved them and then reloaded them per-room

ex. this

[tacit night]

at least it isnt sun haven assets being 90% of the game size

[devout vault]

Became this

There were unused outputs of course, like the unused room here on the right column middle row

...or invisible walls blocking areas off

Who doesn't love encoding messages into the world itself

[tacit night]

is it similar to how dungeons are created? (I'm unfamiliar with how maze code works, I've always wante dto recreate the rf4 random dungeon loading)

[devout vault]

(those are the in-game locations for after you win and if you lose)

[devout vault]

You'd need to be a lot more specific than "dungeons".

But it was super simplistic. Those aren't dynamically arranged, that's a birds eye view of entire zones

There was a text file defining the zones and their sizes

surface=(3,3)
house=(1,1)
cave=(3,5)
dungeon=(3,3)
tower=(3,7)
tower-top=(1,1)
gameover=(1,1)

And then a text file per zone with room contents. ex. surface.txt (the first image I shared)

# Random chest
(-1,0)[10,10,7,10]=get(key_house)
(-1,0)[12,12,3,6]=solid()

# House
(1,0)[13,13,1,4]=gotolocked(house,(0,0),(15,15),key_house)
(1,0)[13,11,10,8]=solid()

# Tower
(0,-1)[13,13,4,1]=gotolocked(tower,(0,3),(15,28),key_tower)

(0,-1)[10,6,10,6]=solid()
(0,-1)[11,5,8,1]=solid()
(0,-1)[12,4,6,1]=solid()
(0,-1)[11,12,8,1]=solid()
(0,-1)[12,13,6,1]=solid()

# Cave
(0,1)[13,14,4,4]=goto(cave,(-1,-2),(15,20))

[devout vault]

This is the cave. The original versions was much, much worse. Very few people got past it despite it being the first zone with actual combat, thanks to it being so large (and the game being very hard)

The original cave. The white spot on the left being the entry from the surface, the top right being the next zone entry. Left side of the river is the key to get in the next zone. Bottom right glow area is a secret item with a miniboss

The cave I showed earlier has an arrow pointing out the secret area, right?

This one did too. Technically

Can you spot it?

Here, maybe a magic wand with help

(Yes there was literally a difference of RGB (1,1,1) for the color of the arrow)

The initial version was kinda a bloodbath for anyone who played it, since enemies did not get any stun or knockback on hit. (Technically one weapon did knockback, but not the one you have initially)

And even if you made it to a boss, they spawned minions far too often.

I have beaten the original version multiple times, but uh... I kinda know the trick to fighting despite no stun/knockback 😛

Potions only healed one heart, and were pretty rare

Anyways, if anyone wants to try it for some awful reason, both the original and rebalanced versions are available here:
https://spacechase0.com/games/one-chance/

(the iOS version is unfortunately not available anymore, because apple)

[prisma flume]

things that give you feelings of power: lan remote desktop session to home desktop at sitting desk from work laptop at standing desk

surely an end to lower back pain forever

[prisma flume]

ack. now if only something could be done about tendonitis

[safe dragon]

[prisma flume]

huh. laptop even connects to the idiot tv in the house just with win+k and one click

maybe i have judged you too harshly

[cinder karma]

Please observe the grocery shelves

[devout vault]

Not the cheese!!!!!

[devout vault]

Pictured: casey waiting for dinner to cook

[devout vault]

Alas....

(Wasn't System.Numerics, but I did notice a new unused using System.ComponentModel; just now)

[rain apex]

Say if u have unused using doesn't the compiler just yeet it

[cinder karma]

If you have smrh like vector2

[devout vault]

Yeah but the problem isn't when it does unused stuff, it's when it does this nonsense

[rain apex]

I tried to get around that with implicit using in the csproj but the monke brain doesn't like it

[devout vault]

I mean it's doing it when an existing using Microsoft.Xna.Framework; is already in the same file, so I don't think that would help

[rain apex]

Oh that's weird

Vsc never did that

[devout vault]

But even if it did, I'm not doing mod code right now 🙃

[rain apex]

It only mess up when I don't have any Vector2 in scope

[devout vault]

I've never used vsc for C#

[rain apex]

I like to formally declare that I do not endorse vsc for C#

[fleet wren]

yeah we should be using vim instead

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7066 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1463931521063719066)

[ivory shadow]

vsc is so awful for running things. Like yes it has a debugger, technically, but oof. I've hated it when testing my toy programming language. Let's just write an obnoxious json file to launch a thing that every other ide has simple config for

[cinder karma]

Could be toml

You also could be me running in vim no debugger no lsp

[rain apex]

Yesterday I checked out to a previous commit on pathos repo and vsc and/or dotnet went

It's the first time i saw oom killer on my personal computer lol

[safe dragon]

today ain't an opus magnum day

I've been staring at this one for over an hour and I don't even have a solution

(I have to disassemble some 7 atom structure, turn the center iron into copper and then reassemble and complete)

I think I know a way to do it that would be slow as molasses but that just feels wrong

[cinder karma]

You know what they say

Performance is a feature, not a necessity

[dusty pollen]

I hated that one iirc

[worn remnant]

performance is a feature, but it is a feature i will abandon ship for

[cinder karma]

It's a video game!

[rain apex]

The code must go brrr

[worn remnant]

for example, gmail is yucky for numerous reasons these days, but also it's so slow, and when you use an email service that actually cares about performance (fastmail) it is shockingly good. turns out a web interface can actually be fast if you try! but google is too scale to notice

[cinder karma]

(Y'all know I will spend ages saving literal microseconds)

God, my bank website is so bad

So bad

Especially since it has big bank syndrome of having almost every feature duplicated so it takes me forever to, say, find the "panel of this month's expenses"

Or "what was my dividend income in 2025"

Or "in stocks vs bonds how am I allocated"

[worn remnant]

(also cf. the thing from the website obesity crisis (evergreen) where maciej found easy, obvious savings on a major google product in like 30 minutes)

[cinder karma]

Ichor, did i ever tell you my bank's budget software has no idea what a "transfer" is?

It gets listed as both income and an expense

Which really breaks the data analytics

You're a bank! You should understand transfers!

[worn remnant]

that sounds silly

[crystal wren]

I wonder if that's maybe some... elitist hardcore MLG accounting type thing?

[cinder karma]

I was like "how did I make so much more money in December than I did in November" and the answer was 80% dividends and 20% my bank doesnt understand transfers

[crystal wren]

Are you forced to use your bank's software, too?

[cinder karma]

I mean i dont usually....I use spreadsheets because I am actually a nerd....

But I look sometimes

[crystal wren]

Oh hey, Atra, did you see I found the cause of me being unable to debug Stardew/SMAPI on Linux with Rider?

[cinder karma]

No, I didnt!

[crystal wren]

https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/RIDER-134932/Rider-fails-to-debug-self-contained-projects-with-spaces-in-the-directory-path

It's literally that simple.

The mystery does go a little deeper, but into areas completely outside of my control! Might be a .NET bug, which means we'll see a fix in probably a few years.

[cinder karma]

Dotnet bug

[crystal wren]

It's hard to see how it's a bug in Rider because the process does technically launch, but it's also difficult to see how it's a bug in .NET, because it works with VSCode.

[devout vault]

That's what I was wondering

Maybe there's an environment variable or working directory difference between how the two launch it

[safe dragon]

once again showing the absolute evil that is spaces in file paths

[devout vault]

and many other evil things in file paths

why the heck is this a valid filename

And that's just the number row

[safe dragon]

but then con isn't allowed

[devout vault]

con?

[thin estuary]

or aux

[safe dragon]

and quite a few others

[devout vault]

We're also just ignoring unicode crimes

Oh do you mean control characters

[thin estuary]

no, you literally cannot name a file aux etc

[safe dragon]

specifically the file name con

[devout vault]

?????????????????????????

[safe dragon]

windows will say no

[devout vault]

HUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH???????????????????

(I just tried it)

[safe dragon]

also prn or nul or com1

[devout vault]

Well, at least cat is allowed

[safe dragon]

yes

[thin estuary]

it was very "fun" to work with back when Minecraft modding consisted of editing obfuscated code

[cinder karma]

Okay

[devout vault]

Whatever I used for decompiling back then handled those for me

[red crest]

in this house we love reserved file names for historical reasons

[thin estuary]

aux.class

[cinder karma]

Microsoft power point on a tiny screen is death

[thin estuary]

couldn't unzip that

[cinder karma]

Kill me now

Pls

[safe dragon]

😌

[crystal wren]

I'm still shocked they've actually just removed the obfuscation in Minecraft.

[thin estuary]

saaame

[safe dragon]

"eh fuck it people already deobfuscated it anyway"

[crystal wren]

Yeah, like they provided official deobfuscation mappings for ages.

Instead of just... not doing it. It's so bizarre.

[safe dragon]

🌈

[safe dragon]

good luck

I have not touched powerpoint in many years

[devout vault]

dons tin foil hat
Well you see, if you look at the timing of that compared to when Simon talked about potentially being able to get Hytale back...

(I do not actually believe that, to be clear 😛 )

[cinder karma]

Ebfoeokqbfi3wfh I wish I had more monitors

I have two already

[devout vault]

I've had that feeling with three

Not very often, but it has happened

[crystal wren]

I would love a third vertical monitor in my regular set up...

[thin estuary]

THIRD vertical monitor? as in you already have two?

[crystal wren]

Ha, I expected that might happen!

A third monitor that is vertical.

Not a... third vertical.

English is dumb.

[devout vault]

this time I think it's just "skill issue", not english being english

[cinder karma]

I would like six thanks

[devout vault]

thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks thanks

^ for atra's use only

[safe dragon]

6 vertical monitors is very excessive

[dusty pollen]

why does steam have a chat feature that looks like it's from 2008

and why are these the only options

[thin estuary]

you gotta buy new ones

[red crest]

you buy em yeah

or unlock them from making badges

[thin estuary]

(or i guess get them from game badges)

[devout vault]

Because it hasn't been updated since 2008 (re: from 2008)

[dusty pollen]

crumble I'm gonna send you a bunch of erasers

[devout vault]

Important detail for buying emoticons: you use steam points, not real money

[cinder karma]

Plz. Try me

[red crest]

my emoticon collection i have amassed (i have not touched emotes since like a month after they were introduced)

[dusty pollen]

oh it's salt not an eraser

[cinder karma]

I deserve as much as any wall street trader

[devout vault]

I never use steam chat

[red crest]

i dont trust someone who uses steam chat as primary communication

[devout vault]

Well, I guess if I get an invite, it shows up there too?

[red crest]

(you can use real money though)

[devout vault]

???????????????????????????

Seriously?

[red crest]

all of my emoticons were gained either with badges or "real money" (trading card profits)

steam points werent a thing when emoticons and trading cards came out im pretty sure?

they are sellable on the steam marketplace

[crystal wren]

I love how my Steam profile background is still from a game from 2013.

[red crest]

emoticons are like 12 years old

[devout vault]

Also, the only two animated ones I've bought

[devout vault]

I did not realize this

[red crest]

some of them are surprisingly expensive

"expensive"

i can sell my rainbow heart for 75 cents

[devout vault]

You wouldn't sell the gays though, now would you

[red crest]

never cuz thats the exact reason i got it originally

[fleet wren]

we will not tolerate steamhappy slander in this house

[devout vault]

I'm not sure what profile background I had before my current one

[crystal wren]

All I know is Gone Home deserves to be my background, and I'm probably never changing it.

[devout vault]

Am I not friends with you, or am I blind

[red crest]

my background isnt even from a game

[thin estuary]

i have this one. wish it would point at my avatar

[devout vault]

The most important part of my steam profile

kitties

[red crest]

https://shared.fastly.steamstatic.com/community_assets/images/items/1239690/3a2f3ec22e6d0ce1e60b467a552c04141e4b0f86.webm

i wish their animated backgrounds were higher res bc honestly it looks kinda terrible on my monitor lmao

[crystal wren]

I... don't think you are...

[devout vault]

DH hates me specifically

[crystal wren]

It has been fixed.

[devout vault]

Oh, but I can't see your profile anyways

Unless it's a caching issue

[crystal wren]

That's... weird.

[devout vault]

Oh, there we go

Starry background with tree silhouettes

[cinder karma]

"Your AI powered financial operations platform"

Mate just cut me a check why are you doing thisssssss

[fleet wren]

So true, bestie! What effective financial operation looks like is direct result — not meaningless buzzwords.

[crystal wren]

https://tenor.com/bSmK0.gif

[cinder karma]

It's a one time payment!

What the heck are these guys doing

Instead of (simply) writing me a check or (simply) using payroll, they're bringing a third party ai driven service into this

[devout vault]

That's what AI does best - throwing it where it isn't needing and making the experience 10 times worse

[crystal wren]

Gotta get a slice of that investment bubble before it pops.

[cinder karma]

This is the man who once paid us late because he forgot juneteenth is a federal holiday

[fleet wren]

shoutout to the AI-powered ID verification service that simply shat the bed when confronted with novel data (read: a foreign, non-US/Canadian passport), forcing me to jump through hoops to get human eyeballs to stare at my ugly mug

at midnight mind you because they outsource even human verification and that's the only overlapping time frame

[cinder karma]

Ugh

[safe dragon]

I finally realized I was highly overcomplicating the level I got stuck on

here it is

[fleet wren]

congrats! if you were like me i too overcomplicated things initially by thinking that i need to remove all the salt

[safe dragon]

yup that was me

[fleet wren]

yeah after that solution i thought, "wait, what if i just... dont"

[little furnace]

I love this game just by watching.

Can't wait for the next sale to buy the whole developer bundle.

[cinder karma]

God that's pretty

[safe dragon]

this one just feels like it should not work but it does

thanks y'all for accepting the opus magnum spam

[fleet wren]

if anything you're not posting enough (totally neutral opinion)

[devout vault]

As someone who hasn't played it, I agree

[devout vault]

I don't understand what the spinny bit on the left is for. Is it controlling a filter or something?

[fleet wren]

it's used in conjunction with the mechanism that turns a salt in the right slot into the element in the left

[safe dragon]

it converts the salt into the element I need

[devout vault]

Ah

something something equivalent exchange

I mean I guess the game is about alchemy

[safe dragon]

I don't think the real world would be particularly fond of it if you were to just casually remove a bond between two atoms

[devout vault]

It's an artistic representation of if we could

[little furnace]

The game reminds me of the Blue Ball Machine.

[safe dragon]

very satisfying

[cinder karma]

Minor explosions

Actually is not that bad

[sand frost]

Depends on the elements

[cinder karma]

I say doing it one atom per second is fine regardless of the elements

Elizabeth! We should be friends on gog!

[sand frost]

Okay! Do I have one?

[cinder karma]

I dont know!

I'll check later!

I've decided I'm going to be the type of open source asshole I always should have been

[rain apex]

What does that mean

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #7069 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1464038634276524155)

[devout vault]

I'm wondering the same thing

[prisma flume]

public repo but no license 🤝

[rain apex]

Atra just casually dropping a 😂 with no elaboration

[devout vault]

My faculty friend from college has had tons of those. Of all sorts of designs

So you'd sometimes see them at random (or most/all) computers in the CS lab, or areas near her office, etc.

[cinder karma]

Anyways, it's about only using open source software, for usages of the word open source that can be questioned

[cinder karma]

Do i ever make sense lol

[fleet wren]

posting an old solution that I'm quite proud of (mostly since it's an instance of me fooling the GIF maker; look closely at the wheel on the left)

[pliant snow]

Are you going to convince me to play this too

I remember trying it once and bouncing off of it

[devout vault]

Did you break the gif maker or something

[pliant snow]

I forgot how unintuitive I find this game

[devout vault]

Or does it not automatically capture perfect loops

[fleet wren]

so it captures one loop of the full instruction chain, and it is implied that after every execution chain the arms return to their original position

[devout vault]

It seems like Opus Magnum is the new Framework Laptop

[fleet wren]

for this solution however the elemental wheel doesn't return to the original position until after two loops, and I can get away with this because I don't care what order of the elements I get as long as I get all 4 to construct the quintessence atom

[devout vault]

Ah. Weird

I would've assumed the gift maker would detect stuff like that and adjust accordingly

[little furnace]

Seems like a bug to me.

Is the game still being updated?

[devout vault]

I dislike the two head shaking emotes because I have to check the tooltip to see what they are

If they were animated shaking heads it'd be so much better 😔

How do we not know they're from the face doing a dramatic hair flip but forgot they lost all their hair

[pliant snow]

wait

[little furnace]

I can't even check the tooltip on phone. Thank you for telling me what that was.

[pliant snow]

do I completely misunderstand this game

how do not all of those arms crash into each other

[devout vault]

If you do a long press on it, you can see the list of reacts/reactors, which tells it.

I think

[fleet wren]

arms dont have collision other than their base

[pliant snow]

omg well that makes this game much more manageable

[fleet wren]

damn aquova's been playing on hard mode

[pliant snow]

no I've been getting like 4 levels in then giving up

[cinder karma]

How are all yall playing this game

All y'all

[devout vault]

Petition to call the base of the mechanical arms "shoulders"

all y'all -> all of you all

made sense to me

[little furnace]

There is this thing called "computers". But I think you are too young to know what they are. Typical Gen Alpha only knowing mobile devices.

[devout vault]

smh atra's older than the concept of computers, everyone knows that

(Or so they try to portray)

[little furnace]

Older than Ada Lovelace even?

[tacit night]

older than the abacus

[tranquil grove]

(popping in to say i also played the spinny atom game, though i've forgotten everything about it )

[devout vault]

...I should mod Spenny into it

[little furnace]

Can you make a VR mod for that game?

[devout vault]

I hear it's C#, so probably if I cared enough to

[cinder karma]

What do the young kids say?

[tranquil grove]

nodding casey made the whole game

We've used C# since SpaceChem. I can't imagine using anything else, honestly. Infinifactory and TIS-100 use Unity, while everything else uses some kind of lightweight SDL-backed C# engine.

SHENZHEN I/O and Opus Magnum are both using a very minimalist C# "engine" inspired by some of Casey Muratori's ideas on game engines and game programming.

[cinder karma]

Face card never declines?

[tranquil grove]

(also ig opus is based on a 2008 flash game, which might the real VR challenge)

[prisma flume]

yeet, mostly

but they've probably started saying something else now

[devout vault]

I was about to say

"I don't know how to tell you this... but the young kids who said yeet aren't young anymore"

[fleet wren]

six se-

[little furnace]

I don't know if I'm young, but I know some people of my age day weird stuff.

[pliant snow]

The return to start command also doesn't behave like I think it does, I've just realized

[cinder karma]

Anyways I assume that Casey will have Spenny in that game in an hour

[devout vault]

I don't even own the game

And I'm in the middle of debugging 😔

[pliant snow]

why are they automatically adding spaces to the end of some arms

[devout vault]

Is there a minimum cycle size or something?

Since they're all 6 instructions long

[cinder karma]

Good because I'm trying to screw paper to paper

[pliant snow]

Is that actually it, they all have to have the same number of commands

[devout vault]

No clue, I've never played 😛

[fleet wren]

yes so they can loop perfectly

[little furnace]

I think it's because like this they can basically run at the same time, just slightly shifted.

[tranquil grove]

I'm not sure how it plays out exactly, but yeah, the instructions all get padded to the same length so they sync up per product cycle

[pliant snow]

how does that sync up, since I've offset all of them

[tranquil grove]

no idea, it's been years since I played, that's just what like 10+ people on reddit said

[fleet wren]

you can run the solution for a visual demonstration

[tranquil grove]

I'm guessing it's time needed to reset back into the original positions, but yeah, would have to see what the game does with it

[pliant snow]

The visual demostration is I try and time the arms to go to the right places, only to realize they've added padding I didn't expect to every other arm, meaning it's still off

[little furnace]

The idea is that all of them run in a six-instructions cycle. If one is shorter than six instructions, they wouldn't align anymore after a cycle.

[fleet wren]

you're not resetting the 3rd and 4th arm

[cinder karma]

Spinny spin

[pliant snow]

Oh I see

[little furnace]

As such, it would never work if they aren't padded, because then they would mess up everything in the second cycle.

[fleet wren]

yeah you're making a machine that runs infinitely, not just after one produce

[cinder karma]

What if I want a single use machine selph

We make money like that

Medical field

[little furnace]

Make a mod.

[cinder karma]

Single use machines

Too lazy to make a mod

[devout vault]

Change it to a real time puzzle game by requiring you to place and reinstruct each arm every time they finish their cycle

[cinder karma]

Justin Trudeau is dating Katy Perry?????????

Whattttt no way

[little furnace]

Who is dating whom?

[cinder karma]

Ex prime minister of Canada and a pop star

[little furnace]

I think I've heard of the prime minister. Was that the one who looked surprisingly young?

[devout vault]

Is it weird that I recognized the first name as being ex-PM of Canda, but recognized the second as "idk some celebrity I think?"

[cinder karma]

The one who could do the pose thingie

[little furnace]

Why would it be?

Nowadays pop stars have a fame expectancy of two weeks. Politicians still get elected for years.

[devout vault]

Well:

• I'm not canadian and never have been
• I feel like the average person (at least in the US) would know more about celebrities 😛

[cinder karma]

This is how you know I'm ancient

[little furnace]

I'm European. Which kinda means that I would know less about a Canadian politician, but admittedly it also means that I'm more interested in politics than pop stars.

Maybe you're European inside? We will gladly adopt you.

[devout vault]

Unfortunately I suck at learning foreign languages, or I might've tried to move out of the US years ago

[little furnace]

I mean, there's always Ireland.

[devout vault]

(Probably would've ended up back here though, given how the Chicago period went)

[tacit night]

😭 ???

[pliant snow]

My new goal is to solve just one puzzle before I uninstall this game again

[fleet wren]

expelled from the college of alchemy 😔

[little furnace]

I can recommend Ireland. The people are nice and passionate. And they speak English. Mostly. Sometimes they speak something I would not dare call English.

[tacit night]

I always thought it was fake; news to me too

[devout vault]

That's not expelled that's being a dropout

[fleet wren]

i forgot american schools dont expel students for being terrible

[little furnace]

They don't?

[devout vault]

They don't?

[pliant snow]

Sure they do

[fleet wren]

They do?

[devout vault]

(Lower standard for terrible, yes, I think?)

[pliant snow]

They can't fire me tho, I quit

This game does not come naturally to me holy shit

[devout vault]

Aquo specifically said before uninstalling. Not before it bricked their computer

[pliant snow]

I'm on level 5 and it's been like a half hour

[fleet wren]

you are returning arms to their original position right

[fleet wren]

asking because of this

[pliant snow]

yes

[fleet wren]

like that command indeed does what it says it does, unless there's something else you're thinking of

[pliant snow]

no i got that

its just the rest of the layout that doesnt work

imagine this puzzle being solved by an idiot

and we're about where we're at

I got dangerously close to solving it there for a second

I have solved zero puzzles and I'm uninstalling it

[fleet wren]

dropped out of cool leg for the 2nd time

[pliant snow]

I'm pretty sure my entire solution had a flaw that couldn't be worked around, but boy did I have no ideas for a better one

weird how they made like 5 assembly language games, but the atom machine mechanic didn't get a sequel

[dusty pollen]

(it is the sequel)

[fleet wren]

it's kinda sorta already a 2nd sequel (SpaceChem and the alchemy flash game)

[dusty pollen]

tis is fun btw but idk if I’ll finish every puzzle

[sand frost]

Katy Perry was REALLY big like a long time ago

Do you know “Firework”? That’s her

Or “Hot n Cold” or “California Girls” (maybe Gurls I forget lol)

[devout vault]

I do not know music

[dusty pollen]

I am aquo now

[devout vault]

To be fair my brain is super melty from focusing/thinking all day.

Like, “had to pull out a calculator for 10 1/2 - 6 1/2” level of melty

[sand frost]

ok fair then no reason to know her

these are like, middle school dance floor staples

[devout vault]

Ah. You see, I did not go to middle school long enough to experience that 😛

[devout vault]

(For those wondering - I greatly underestimated what I was trying. The system worked fine, but tweaking the part that makes it useful has been P A I N.

I was expecting it to be done around 6 hours ago.)

(Started on it around 12 hours ago.)

[little furnace]

I know music, but only until 1990.

So no wonder I didn't know her.

[supple ether]

Finally someone older than me (maybe)

[devout vault]

Oh no, wren escaped the floppy disk graveyard again

(I don’t remember how old you are, even on a vague level)

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7071 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1464091016221950024)

[cinder karma]

California girls.....

Mannnn

Now I have that and I kissed a girl in my head

[little furnace]

I was born in this millennium. Were you as well?

[supple ether]

30 in a little over 2 months

[devout vault]

You’re barely older than me

Why are you acting like you’re old

old for this server? Sure. Old for this channel? No

[supple ether]

Partly bc in a lot of the servers I'm in the majority of other members are younger than me, and partly bc everyone else my age seems to have their shit together

[devout vault]

Oof

You don’t need to attack me like that (the last part)

[little furnace]

Believe me, everyone is just pretending.

[cinder karma]

I kissed a girl was a bit of a lesbian anthem

For middle schoolers

In like 2012

[supple ether]

I LOVED that song, though for me that was high school

[devout vault]

See I don’t know the song so just assumed it was a straight song

[regal ingot]

that feeling when you say "I need an adult... wait. shit, I am the adult."

[cinder karma]

Hopefully 4

[cinder karma]

Yeahhhhh

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7072 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1464100646264246282)

[supple ether]

Well, yes and no. I have enough life experience to know that nobody actually feels like an adult and everyone is faking it to an extent, but in terms of real material milestones, I have a lot less to show than a lot of other people

[prisma flume]

haven't we all

[little furnace]

I don't, I don't know these songs.

[supple ether]

Yeah. Sometimes I have to be my own mother and it's terrible /lh

[devout vault]

You could just flail around and fail and feel bad about yourself instead, like I do!

[balmy ether]

💀

[supple ether]

Oh no I do plenty of that too

[devout vault]

yes i have a therapist we’re working on it so shush

[cinder karma]

I legitimately had to Google "is the date on the car registration the start or end of the month"?

Today

End of the month

[supple ether]

I'm trying to get a therapist so I can maybe get medicated for adhd but unfortunately I keep forgetting to actually set up an appointment

[little furnace]

I immediately wanted to ask. Nice of you to predict that.

[little furnace]

Can we help reminding you?

[devout vault]

I didn’t know any therapists could prescribe stuff

[supple ether]

No, but thank you for offering

[devout vault]

Thought you had to see a psychiatrist

Mine can’t, at least.

[steel kraken]

the therapist creates artifacts you then go to a GP for it iirc

[prisma flume]

ah. ci/cd

[devout vault]

artifacts
Didn’t realize my therapist was a CI pipeline

Dang it blueberry

[supple ether]

You do, but I imagine it's easier to get a psych if you already have a therapist. Also, drugs will probably work better if coupled with therapy

[cinder karma]

Good thing too lol

[steel kraken]

at least its artifacts with an i and not with an e

[cinder karma]

I actually have been late on the tags once but it wasn't my fault!!!!

(Hurricane knocked out power on the day it was due and the next five days.)

[prisma flume]

except after c, of course

[steel kraken]

(except when it isn't)

[devout vault]

I’ve only seen it with e in fantasy setting type stuff

[steel kraken]

a bunch of my uni stuff was artefacts

[prisma flume]

i've only seen it with an i on the internet or when americans are talking

[cinder karma]

Dont do what I do, which is nine or ten cups of coffee

[supple ether]

Ddg says American vs British spelling

[little furnace]

Artafact

[supple ether]

I can't anyways. Ironically I also have a very low caffeine tolerance

[prisma flume]

artopinion

[steel kraken]

the 'trick' I had for keeping appointments for therapist/psychologist was to ensure the next one is booked before I leave the premise, though that doesn't save you for booking the first one

[regal ingot]

I do that with all regular recurring doctor's visits

[devout vault]

Britain is a fantasy, confirmed

[sand frost]

the dreaded "you must make a phone call to book an appointment about how you have an irrational fear of phone calls"

[little furnace]

Booking online is nice because then you can do it immediately when you remember to and don't have to call them.

[devout vault]

Tautologytautology

[cinder karma]

I also forgot to put my new car insurance in my car so couldn't get the stage inspection today

[steel kraken]

I did my first booking via an online form

[supple ether]

The problem is for some reason I chose email 😱

[devout vault]

"Thanks! Please call us to confirm your appointment"

[cinder karma]

Americans are all about individuals you know

[supple ether]

Maybe I will just call them

[cinder karma]

Crap. I've got to keep a small green owl not mad at me

[devout vault]

I really need to go ahead and hop in bed

Because as previously mentioned, brain melty

[supple ether]

In soviet russia they have wephones /jk

[cinder karma]

Be proud of me within the last week I chased down all my health insurance cards and made an appointment with a new dentist!

[supple ether]

Yay!

[little furnace]

Please do. Molten brain doesn't taste as good as a fresh one.

[devout vault]

Nobody gets to taste my brain

also, spoken like somebody who clearly doesn't know how much greater cheese sauce is compared to a solid chunk of cheese

-# before anyone asks, maybe my brain is made of cheese, nobody has ever checked after all

[little furnace]

But is ice cream sauce better than ice cream?

[devout vault]

Depends on the ice cream

[little furnace]

I shouldn't keep you awake with important philosophical questions.

I also need to go to bed, it'll be 5 in the morning soon.

[cinder karma]

I should go to bed

It's almost 10pm

[little furnace]

Let's all go to bed and cuddle with cats.

[cinder karma]

I would need a cat for that

[supple ether]

Cheese sauce is so good

[devout vault]

Cat mentioned, Mozart picture time (unfortunately atra has seen this one)

Atra also struggled to find the cat in it, to be fair

[little furnace]

I used to do that as well. Unfortunately, that taught him that hands can be played with. Don't recommend.

[little furnace]

Get one.

[cinder karma]

Can't really tbh

[little furnace]

Awwww.

[dusty pollen]

casey get off your alt account we know it’s you /lh

[little furnace]

Have you tried a Tamagotchi?

Oh, wait, you're probably too old for that.

[dusty pollen]

atra is definitely not too old for tamagotchis

in fact I’m pretty sure they were the prime target audience

[sand frost]

i thought they made a resurgence recently

tamagotchis, not atra

[dusty pollen]

they never disappeared

[cinder karma]

(I work far too many hours to take care of a cat)

There is a resurgence of atra roo

[sand frost]

hibernating creature

[dusty pollen]

my sisters had ones with wireless/nfc features in the 2010s

[sand frost]

what pets hibernate

[dusty pollen]

beagles

[sand frost]

damn that's fancy

[devout vault]

I usually don't. It was habit, because this situation doesn't come up much with this cat 😛

[sand frost]

i did a puzzlehunt with tamagotchis in it recently

[dusty pollen]

they could visit each other!

[sand frost]

but i did not poke the electronics

[cinder karma]

Okay

What is a tamagotchi

[sand frost]

i believe they were custom, but it may have been specially modified off the nfc ones or something

[devout vault]

(The last childhood cat passed away beginning of 2023)

[dusty pollen]

it’s a keychain with a little digital pet on it atra

[sand frost]

it's like if you trapped a pet inside an egg

[little furnace]

I knew it!!!

[sand frost]

tamago

[devout vault]

relevant

[sand frost]

ok but atra is 100% the right age range

[devout vault]

.q 6785

[heavy dagger]

#6785

Oh no, the alt account has gained sentience

• @devout vault (Jump)

Dec 5, 2025, 3:33 PM

[cinder karma]

Oh I was gonna buy stock

[sand frost]

just bc they didn't notice them doesn't mean they weren't around

you could buy tamagotchi stock

or vegetable stock

[cinder karma]

I'm buying VT again

[sand frost]

or that yeah

[devout vault]

I worked for like 12 hours today!

However I also work from home

[sand frost]

almost as tasty

[cinder karma]

Like I buy VT, BND, and like

[sand frost]

im just assuming these are index funds

[cinder karma]

Yup

I do have one share of berkshire B lol

[devout vault]

(for those , I didn't have to. I got too invested in the thing I was making/debugging. I've averaged like ~3 hours a day this month)

[dusty pollen]

despite what atra says, their claimed lack of digital life knowledge has nothing to do with their age

[cinder karma]

Because berkshire b gets you a discount on geico

[cinder karma]

You're a game dev lol

[devout vault]

There is not a remote hint of a vague idea of crunch for us. 😛

[cinder karma]

Ooh vxus is cheap....i can get vxus

[little furnace]

I wanted to think of something to respond, but it's 5am now, so thinking doesn't work as well anymore as it used to.

[cinder karma]

Nice! Four shares of vxus ||god i need to open an IRA in a place that let's me buy fractional shares||

[sand frost]

it's like how i've never watched spongebob

[little furnace]

What's Spongebob?

[sand frost]

it's not that i'm the wrong age, i just had a strange childhood

[supple ether]

Same

I didn't watch cartoons until I was in high school

[cinder karma]

Same!

[dusty pollen]

I loved blue’s clues. for far too long, apparently

[cinder karma]

My parents also did the thing where I had approximately a six month period between "you are not allowed to date" and "why arent you married yet"

[supple ether]

Ew

[dusty pollen]

I +1 the ew but laugh react the logic

[supple ether]

My mom apparently thought I was gay in highschool but never said anything to me. I found out about that via my sibling

[dusty pollen]

were you?

[supple ether]

Yesn't

[devout vault]

My siblings never found out I was interested in anyone until like 4-5 years ago

[supple ether]

I was trans and lesbian but I didn't realize it until later

[little furnace]

The obsession and glorification of a heterosexual relationship that starts in early teens and lasts the entire life is unhealthy and needs to end.

[devout vault]

They would've given me so much grief the first time I was, and she rejected me so I made sure they didn't know. And then just... never changed that pattern

[devout vault]

Same. Probably would've realized much sooner had I know that being transgender was an actual thing, and not just my brain being weird

[dusty pollen]

so she thought you liked guys despite actually liking women (presumably at least in part because femininity in those perceived to be men=gay to some people)?

[devout vault]

Didn't find out until near the end of college

In my case they just thought I did. not. care.

My mom knew, because she's the one I talked to about everything

[supple ether]

Yeah!! Crazy thing was I actually knew a trans guy in high school, but he went really hard on the whole "oh I always knew I was a guy but I was born in the wrong body" thing and I thought "Well that's not me so I guess I can't be trans"

[devout vault]

(oh, and key point of why they would've given me grief: the person in question was a family friend that they had joked about me being with since before I was interested in anyone. I had never even been close to her or even really talked to her, it was confusing)

[dusty pollen]

(I guess online I apparently fall into the “those perceived to be men” category sometimes. I imagine the aggressive asexuality prevents confusion though)

[steel kraken]

Abby knows to not do it in the open, but will actively hunt me if there is a blanket boundary.
However she will do it regardless of the blanket thickness

[supple ether]

Yeah, although I don't know what logic lead her to that conclusion

[tranquil grove]

a family member repeatedly makes that logical leap and I'm never quite sure why

[prisma flume]

i mean reproduction is sort of a fundamental biological process lol

[devout vault]

I discovered after coming across memes from r/ egg_irl occasionally and over time kept thinking "huh, these are funny but also weirdly somewhat relatable"

[prisma flume]

barely programming off-topic here

[dusty pollen]

the “always knew” thing drove me crazy because I never knew anything either way so where does that leave me?

[devout vault]

But like I've definitely had Thoughts™ since a young age

[devout vault]

It's off topic from programming, what do you mean?

[tranquil grove]

this is an extremely common programmer topic, actually /lh

[little furnace]

I more meant that parents and children media seem to enforce that stereotype, making anyone who doesn't fit feel like they don't belong.

[worn remnant]

this and the socks, right? don't y'all have the socks

[devout vault]

something something programmer socks

[little furnace]

I mean, they are relatable, but that sure doesn't mean anything for me, right?

[supple ether]

Yeah I had trans friends on Tumblr in like 2016 and saw a post that was like "if you want to be a girl you probably are a girl. Cis people like being their assigned gender" and it was a real lightbulb moment

[devout vault]

For me it wasn't even explicitly wanting to be a girl. It was more... all the dysphoria and not knowing why, and also at times fantasizing about being a girl temporarily, and also avoiding playing female characters because they made me "uncomfortable", and...

[devout vault]

I mean some of them can be without being indicative of anything, definitely. Which is why even after the first few I hadn't quite realized it yet

(that and I think the memes on there back there weren't quite as obvious)

[little furnace]

"If people could simply become girls then all the boys would die out because all of us want to be girls, right, guys? Guys?"

[little furnace]

I still need to figure things out, but I'm kinda positive now that femininity feels right.

[supple ether]

Yeah like the way I felt about gender was that as a child I didn't really have one. My gender was Kid and that was the end of it. Sure, people categorized me as a boy, and there was definitely some discomfort there, but it was an entirely external thing. Then I hit puberty and suddenly it felt like it was being forced on me for the first time in my life.

So I wasn't "always" a girl, I was a Weird Kid first

[devout vault]

Yeahhh the other thing that complicates it is the whole feminity != being girl, and the lack of distinction being made a lot of the time

(I mean, both coincide to what I want, but I know it doesn't for everyone)

[supple ether]

YEAH genuinely I thought like that in high school. "why would anyone want to be a boy when it's objectively worse" was actually a thought I had many times that I thought was universal

[dusty pollen]

“you had dresses you loved!”

they were comfy and I was used to them. I’m sorry I didn’t understand social gender enough to be gender non conforming at the age of five /lh

[sand frost]

It’s always interesting to talk to people about when they first learned trans was a thing, because I never even thought about it being a big moment because my best friend’s parent came out when I was in early elementary school

[devout vault]

That's vaguely accurate to me too, I guess? But since I got bullied so much I got pulled out of middle school early on, before ever reaching puberty, it took until college to really notice that that was what was going on

[sand frost]

And I once was talking to a friend who was like “college is when I learned trans was a thing and also it me”

[little furnace]

It's like the catholic girl who didn't want women to marry each other because then nobody would marry man anymore and humanity would die out.

[little furnace]

My mother came out when I was three. But she had major dysphoria. I don't. So it still took two decades until I realized that wasn't necessary.

[steel kraken]

My current view is I mainly just see myself as human and maybe programmer/gamer and respond to whatever people call me as English has a strong preference for a gender to exist to make sense

[supple ether]

I had a late puberty in high school for health reasons, but I just suffered through the dysphoria bc I thought that was just what it was like, and othering was already such an intrinsic part of my identity at that point that I didn't think too much about how I was different

[cinder karma]

I'm so sorry

[steel kraken]

I'm too autistic to care about the cultural significance of gender, and people have been "misgendering" me for 14+ years as I only have a haircut like once a year because I'm lazy and don't care about my appearance

[devout vault]

My stance on clothes was "mom and dad please pick stuff out for me, but make it as plain and boring as possible with no designs, so that I don't stand out"

Gee, I wonder why I didn't want people noticing my appearance

It's almost like I didn't like my body

[supple ether]

Yeaaahh

The old hoodie and sweats combo

[steel kraken]

I'm hoodie, dark grey jeans (current brand calls it lunar wash) and black socks

[little furnace]

I'm hyper-loose shirts because clothes feel uncomfortable.

[devout vault]

I disliked long sleeve, but avoided shorts as much as possible

(Even in the FL summer)

[sand frost]

Brutal

[steel kraken]

I'll be wearing hoodie and jeans on a 40c (104f) sunny day

[sand frost]

FL summer in long sleeves sounds awful

[devout vault]

It's not as bad as one of my brothers who will wear sweat shirts/pants in the FL summer

He just doesn't sweat

[sand frost]

But also now I’m realizing maybe some of my other trans friends also had this experience huh (long sleeves in hot weather)

[devout vault]

(I sweat if I look at a large temperature number.)

(Or think about walking anywhere)

[little furnace]

Sweating is good for your body, actually. That's why saunas are great.

[devout vault]

But have you considered: it feels ooky

[cinder karma]

I did that as an emo teenager

[devout vault]

Also I don't just sweat a little when I sweat

[cinder karma]

Yes there is a reason why I recognize all these sonfs

[steel kraken]

and for the most part I haven't grown out of it

[tranquil grove]

iirc I always had a hoodie with me but wore it around my waist all summer, through college or so

[devout vault]

what are you, an anime character?

[tranquil grove]

partly because bonus pockets for misc IT class usb sticks and junk

[devout vault]

Ah

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/one-hour-later-spongebob-onehourlater-gif-21019988

[steel kraken]

the waist mounted hoodie for pockets works great unless its a kangaroo pouch

[tranquil grove]

manga character, clearly, I was binging it from the day Borders started stocking any

[cinder karma]

It's funny because the older I've gotten the more comfortable I've gotten in my body

[devout vault]

why the evelyn emoji. did I miss some crucial evelyn lore about when she was young

[steel kraken]

I wouldn't really say I'm uncomfortable in my body, I just identify as my brain, that is piloting a meat mech

[little furnace]

I will now ignore any further messages and try to fall asleep for it is 5:30 and this is no longer healthy.
Nighty.

[tranquil grove]

yeah she mentions how much she loves shojo manga in an event
intended as a generic "i am old because Borders" and I prefer it to the generic emoji

[cinder karma]

She had a face card that never declined

[devout vault]

a specific one or just the whole genre
Ah, I didn't even catch that

[tranquil grove]

someone should have her ramble about Fruits Basket

[steel kraken]

that being said I am currently doing a playthrough of Persona 5 royal with the Kasumi Protaganist mod and it has been interesting to see the changes made to make the gender change fit in