programmers-off-topic

[devout vault]

Those screenshots do not look like gameboy games

What is this, magic?

[safe dragon]

I think I have at least 1 game for each book up to goblet of fire

[devout vault]

At one point up until like a year ago, I had a CD with civ 2 or 3 on it

(Not an official CD - a home-burnt CD with sharpy on it saying what it was)

[safe dragon]

... I had no idea we owned this game

or that it existed

[devout vault]

To be fair, the internet only ever acknowledges RC2

Which implies the existance of RC1, but not RC3

[cinder karma]

The fact that there was HP spinoff so early surprises me but I guess it shouldnt

Anyways Emma Watson

Did your parents really like that game or smth

Smh it's a video game

[safe dragon]

I kind of expected someone to say this

[devout vault]

I'd love to replay HM:DS if not for the whole crop growth/weather system

[devout vault]

From what I understand the sequel(?) had the same mechanics too, even if a lot of other things improved

[devout vault]

...not HM:DS

HM:Island of Happiness, which was also on DS

also if I replayed I'd grab that mod that lets you be a lesbian, but anyways

[safe dragon]

tf is this

[devout vault]

It's the top 50 games

Can't you read

[safe dragon]

part 3 yes

[devout vault]

...oh it has some real games on there too

[safe dragon]

wtf it has Tux Racer

[devout vault]

I was about to make a joke about that

[pliant snow]

So is this 101-150 then

[devout vault]

That and "are all of these even on PC?", like Zoo Tycoon

[devout vault]

They never said what they were the top 50 of

[safe dragon]

of course zoo tycoon is on pc

it's a tycoon game

[devout vault]

Oh I'm thinking of another game

[safe dragon]

I also actually own SimLife

[devout vault]

I'm not sure where the "Action" comesin, besides there being a time limit

Simlife?

[safe dragon]

guess so...

[devout vault]

wait

that simlife

[devout vault]

The one my brother was just asking me to make a modernized version of literally less than a week ago????

[safe dragon]

I have it

[pliant snow]

coincidence...

[safe dragon]

and

[cinder karma]

No

[dusty pollen]

damn, the animals on the cover are nearly as old as the game

[frozen tusk]

harvest moon ❤️

[devout vault]

how many fingers am I not holding up 🤞

[safe dragon]

Ive now established being an OG pc gamer

my work is done

[devout vault]

I have vague recollection of a PC lego game where you delivered pizzas but it quickly became not so mundane

Can't recall what it was

[safe dragon]

there's a lot of lego games...

[devout vault]

Hence why I can't recall

I looked at one point and never found it

I think you got to buy a house or something too?

[safe dragon]

I think the one on that CD I just showed is called Lego Loco

[cinder karma]

The American dream

[devout vault]

I could not read any of the words besides lego

[cinder karma]

Delivering pizzas and buying a house

[devout vault]

Nobody wants to deliver the pizzas - only eat them

[safe dragon]

Dogz, Lego and Freddi Fish

God Lego Loco

I should play this again

[devout vault]

googles

gets disappointed loco=trains and not loco=crazy

[safe dragon]

lmao

it was one of the very first lego games ever

actually it came out shortly after Lego island

[devout vault]

I'm like 98% certain this was the game I mentioned

[cinder karma]

Seven

[devout vault]

you got it wrong. wow, you really can't read

[safe dragon]

Lego island was basically the first lego video game ignoring a funky Japan only game

Lego Loco was second

🙏

[devout vault]

?????????????

[safe dragon]

there's a modern recompilation of Lego island if you want to replay it

[devout vault]

To try because nostalgia, or to not try and not ruin nostalgia

[safe dragon]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gthm-0Av93Q

shoutout to mattkc

good channel

they have a Lego island documentary too

[cinder karma]

I'm thinking sourdough pizza crust

The moz from Costco

Great tomatoes

And some fresh basil

[safe dragon]

you do actually deliver pizzas in Lego island so you're not wrong

you actually deliver some to a criminal who you then accidentally help escape from jail

[devout vault]

I sure wish there was a convenient ranking of using different tomatos for sauce floating around...

[pliant snow]

I had this on game boy lol

[devout vault]

I did not think I was wrong

[cinder karma]

I'm getting the $2 ones

[safe dragon]

nostalgia trip going through my old games...

never know like 99% of the games people talk about online when they say retro games

where's the pc gamers

this was when the tycoon genre peaked actually

you could breed new dinosaur species

[cinder karma]

Am I influenced enough to buy one of those bread baskets...

[cinder karma]

The Lego pizza omg

[devout vault]

incorrect. this is when the tycoon genre peaked
https://www.jellyneo.net/?go=plushie_tycoon

[safe dragon]

😌

I only played 2 games in neopets

a little game where you have to grab dubloons in a boat

[cinder karma]

What

Okay, you know what, I need to get two perfect scores in duolingo today so I dont need to know

[safe dragon]

and a game where you were a little gelatine creature and you absorbed smaller gelatine creatures to grow and grow

[cinder karma]

If I close my idea great basil and perfect tomatoes and mozzarella cheese will show up and so will a kitchenaid so I can make cultured butter

[devout vault]

I never really got far in neoquest

I remember a bunch of different neopets games though

[safe dragon]

I was never too big into neopets

[devout vault]

I was just too young to know what I was doing 😛

...I wonder if all the flash games are archived

[little furnace]

A lot of them were on archive.org.

[safe dragon]

this game is almost impossible to find information about

I get the impression it was only ever released in the Netherlands

ah good channel name

[cinder karma]

Awesome channel name

Anyways

Old school runescape

[safe dragon]

of course a big part of my childhood was runescape but I still play that to this day so it doesn't feel very nostalgic

[cobalt shore]

I played an ice breaking game and something like snake in neopets

oh Runescapeeeeee

trying my best to survive with my younger brother roasting me the entire time lol

[steel kraken]

does old school runescape even count if its present day

[devout vault]

Meerca chase or the faerieland "pvp" (against AI) one

(re:like snake)

[red crest]

why are we gaming retro-ly

[safe dragon]

the 19th is going to be a special day for runescape. They're removing most pay to win microtransactions and the whole gambling system from Runescape 3 (the not old school one)

[light forum]

I love old school games. I started mossing with the original Sims and zoo tycoon

[cobalt shore]

YES! That's the one. I lived for that game

[devout vault]

Those are two different ones 😛

[safe dragon]

loved the Sims and zoo tycoon

[cobalt shore]

Meerca sorry I got excited XD

[dusty pollen]

my first video game was undertale and I’m pretty sure my second was stardew

[safe dragon]

damn

I don't think you're that young

[light forum]

Yep, I liked creating new furniture for the Sims. You had to use a program called the transmogrifier

[dusty pollen]

I just didn’t grow up an epic gamer I’m afraid

[red crest]

the problem isnt just that iro is young its that iro is boring /lh

and also young

[steel kraken]

my first sims was 3 with pretty much all its dlc

[safe dragon]

my first game was a game called hickory that we got for free on a floppy disk with a pair of shoes

[dusty pollen]

a rich girl I knew gave me her old ds when I was 10 because the screen was slightly scratched up and I had a single layton game on that so that’s probably my first full game actually, and I, uh, completely legally got the sims 4 at various points

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7018 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1462254585631477770)

New quote added by atravita as #7019 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1462254882898706474)

[steel kraken]

I do still miss treating sims as an RTS with the openworld.

sims4 with loading zone hell is a very different vibe

[red crest]

sims 4 is also free so its not hard to legally get

[safe dragon]

my first "proper" game was Pokémon Red I think. I was like 3

[dusty pollen]

-# it was not back then. and definitely not on linux

[steel kraken]

my first pokemon was ruby

[cinder karma]

Do you count Oregon Trail

[red crest]

its been free for almost 4 years!!

[cinder karma]

Then some game that taught me how to type

Zombies Run was in there

[devout vault]

"at various points"
wow, such a loyal fan to buy all of the sims 4 dlc multiple times

[cinder karma]

Let's see

[safe dragon]

yes

[cinder karma]

Do we count Duolingo

[devout vault]

no

[safe dragon]

it's more of a game than a language learning tool so yes

[cinder karma]

It's a mobile game!

Let's see

[red crest]

my first game was PGA tour golf for the snes

[devout vault]

Pokemon go also doesn't count as a game in my opinion

[cinder karma]

Is knitting socks an ideal game

I also played Pokémon Go

[devout vault]

To me, gamified productivity tool != game

[red crest]

what productivity is pokemon go creating

[devout vault]

Pretending you'll exercise, I guess?

I looked up the flash archive thing (flashpoint), and uh

[safe dragon]

the achievement I am most baffled by that was achieved by baby me was beating Golden Sun Lost Age despite being unable to read

[devout vault]

Why does it have the neopoints scratch cards

The games, yeah sure

But the scratch cards?????

[cinder karma]

I'm pretty sure the only two games I've ever played, based on Casey's definitjon of game, is Runescape and Stardew

[dusty pollen]

oh I played many flash games

[red crest]

did anyone else play too much of this or just me

[devout vault]

I played a bunch of flash games, but I don't remember them well

[cinder karma]

There are a lot of not games in there....KoL, Pokémon Go, Zombies Run

[devout vault]

First time I've heard of it

[dusty pollen]

I still recommend the shift games and my attempt at tempting you guys is going to be that they were portal lite if portal was a flash platformer

[cinder karma]

Do you count the games installed in windows

[red crest]

ive never heard anyone else ever talk about the premier racing game of our time, beetle adventure racing

[cinder karma]

The spider solitare

What about snake, the Nokia thing

[safe dragon]

I didn't even know the n64 existed as a child. Everyone I knew had a Playstation

[cinder karma]

What about pinball or the other one

Minesweeper

[devout vault]

If we change beetle -> beedle, I'll consider it

[cinder karma]

I'm damn good at minesweeper

[red crest]

atra how do you feel about demoncrawl

[cinder karma]

Never heard of it

[red crest]

yeah i figured

[cinder karma]

If you want me to play a game send it to the Gog account I've yet to open

[safe dragon]

Microsoft peaked when they made the falling card animation after you beat solitaire on the windows xp version

[red crest]

its a minesweeper rpg roguelite

[safe dragon]

this was the best

the only reason I learnt how to play solitaire

[devout vault]

a what now

Was poker roguelike not enough

[safe dragon]

wtf

[red crest]

if you like minesweeper its actually quite fun

i played a lot of it

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1141220/DemonCrawl/

Steam

DemonCrawl

DemonCrawl Is Bursting With Content

• 800+ unique items to discover and collect: whenever you find something new, we'll record it in your Codex for future reference.
  • 5 Quests & multiple difficulties for a long-lasting challenge.
    …

Price

$14.99

Recommendations

1170

[heavy dagger]

Title result: DemonCrawl on Steam

[devout vault]

Are you sure they made that intentionally and it didn't just have the same bug that moving windows over an unresponsive one did back then

[red crest]

apparently it crashes on startup now due to their servers no longer existing

so thats fun

[safe dragon]

[red crest]

its not even because of always online drm or anything it just crashes when it tries and fails to phone home for things like leaderboards lmao

almost impressive in a way

[dusty pollen]

doesn’t that mean it would have crashed any time someone tried to play it offline

[red crest]

no going offline actually stops it from happening

[devout vault]

The reviews say it works offline

[red crest]

that and blocking outbound connections in your firewall

your guess is as good as mine as to why it happens exactly

[cinder karma]

I'll take a look next gog sale

[red crest]

no you wont

[worn remnant]

it is odd that "connection failed due to being offline or firewall" is fine but "connection failed due to server gone" crashes

[cinder karma]

I'll forget to take a look next gog sale

[dusty pollen]

I wonder if the issue is how they parsed the response

[red crest]

i trust you

[safe dragon]

it might fail earlier into the process if you don't have a connection at all

and never reach the bad code

[dusty pollen]

so no response is fine but if they assumed a 200 response, crash on 404 etc

[devout vault]

wow I completely forgot I ever even knew about this

[cinder karma]

Let's see how long it takes for me to play alchemy game

Or the other one, the pcb one

[devout vault]

Remind me in 2 years to check if atra played the alchemy game

[heavy dagger]

hopefully you don't mind if I end up a few hours off on that one, been a long day and I may doze off. (#7035043) (2y | <t:1831772061>)

[dusty pollen]

(source: I have a discord bot I initially didn’t bother setting up error handling on. did indeed crash on non 200 responses)

[cinder karma]

What about going back to Runescape, that hasn't happened either

[little furnace]

How do you know that it will be a long day in two years?

[heavy dagger]

What do I look like, a SMART bot?!

[little furnace]

... kinda?

[cinder karma]

Anyways of all the games yall have waved under my nose the alchemy one seems interesting but I've already forgotten what it is called

[little furnace]

Opus Magnum?

[cinder karma]

Possibly???

[dusty pollen]

this one? (I think this was originally selph’s gif)

[devout vault]

Yep, Selph's #programmers-off-topic message

Oh, they posted it, and you mean did they make the original machine in it

[dusty pollen]

I meant posted

I saved it to convince someone to play the game

[cinder karma]

well. I went to make a gog account but I can't pass teh captcha

[pliant snow]

have you considered that youre a robot

[cinder karma]

welp

guess I'm not playing the game after all, I'm a robot

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7025 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1462254952159117414)

[devout vault]

atra thinks iro is boring, confirmed

[prisma flume]

this is a lie. i just won't believe someone like this is real

[lethal walrus]

stardew was fairly early for me too but not in my first 5 by any means

[devout vault]

-# it seems that iro might be a filthy casual

[cinder karma]

Atra thinks atra is boring, next

Atra has more opinions on mortgage products than video games

[dusty pollen]

I'm pretty sure to this day I have under ten games on steam and opus magnum is the first one I 100%ed

(stardew is on gog)

[fleet wren]

you are now a certified alchemist

[steel kraken]

I have 7 games 100% and all but one are puzzle games

[thin estuary]

another one i can recommend https://store.steampowered.com/app/3035120/Is_This_Seat_Taken/

Steam

Is This Seat Taken?

Window seat or aisle? Booth or table? Lone wolf or life of the party? In Is This Seat Taken?, your mission is to organize groups of people according to their preferences. It’s a cozy, no-pressure logic puzzle game where you’re in charge of who sits where.

Whether it’s the cinema, a crowded bus, a wedding reception, or a cramped taxi cab,…

Price

$9.99

Recommendations

6051

Metacritic

79

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Is This Seat Taken? on Steam

[dusty pollen]

tadaa

[cobalt shore]

I love Dave the diver and dream daddy. Still slowly chipping away at Hades (I die a lot)

[dusty pollen]

if you don't have god mode on you should enable it if you're getting frustrated

[thin estuary]

in hindsight it's hilarious it's called god mode

[cobalt shore]

If it keeps happening I'll toggle it on, but I made my way through most of Dead Cells - it just takes time XD

[prisma flume]

there's something simply beautiful about 3 hidden games and dream daddy: a dad dating simulator not one of them

[dusty pollen]

of course not, it's a fun game

(two of the hidden games I just haven't played)

[prisma flume]

which i'm allowed to say because it's in my library too through the magic of steam family sharing

[dusty pollen]

(and don't plan to)

[prisma flume]

you can actually right-click -> manage -> hide this game if you prefer

good for atomising junk games

[dusty pollen]

just js things:

var a = obj[obj.length - 1]
var b = obj.pop()
a == b // false

[dusty pollen]

very cursed sentence ahead: I think I'm dealing with javascript gc shenanigans

"I don't need to write this properly it's only a personal debug thing I'll use once" <- a sentence spoken by fools

[safe dragon]

same

I'd like to thank my sister

[safe dragon]

that's such a small amount of games

[dusty pollen]

I'd turn on steam family sharing but I'm the only person in my family with a steam account

[safe dragon]

I barely even have to buy games

my sister and mom do it for me

my sister doesn't even have the time or energy to play them but she does buy them so ez

[cobalt shore]

I share a steam library with my husband and my brother who both have MASSIVE amounts of games (i love arin Hanson that’s why i have dream dads) so if I find out about a game I want there’s a good chance one of them already has it

[safe dragon]

nice

for me I'm usually set if it's a narrative title or a turn based rpg

if it's not I probably have to buy it myself

thankfully that's most of what I play too

[cobalt shore]

There’s a few cozy type games I’ve gotten/had them get for me - but it helps that brothers wife likes that kinda thing too (so I can play coral island without buying it)

[safe dragon]

nice

[cobalt shore]

I am 50/50 on turn based rpgs - I like chrono trigger a lot. Sometimes it’s a vibe and sometimes it’s not haha

[uncut seal]

Blue Prince is so based

[cinder karma]

#programmers-off-topic message

I did make a gog account. There are also technically a few more on the Amazon game store because Amazon gives me Prime sometimes, but I grabbed those because they are free....they dont actually look fun

[cinder karma]

Then again this is my Audible account

I've read most of these

[dusty pollen]

the first 2/3rds of it are very very good (I wish they put more care into the last 1/3rd of both the puzzles and the plot though)

[safe dragon]

what does the last 1/3rd even mean for a game like this

[pliant snow]

when did domain names get so expensive, damn

[devout vault]

All the hobbyists buying one for their 34th project idea that never goes anywhere led to a shortage

[pliant snow]

I think it's time to swap this one out

[devout vault]

Domains don't grow on teres, you know

yikes

[pliant snow]

I'm open to suggestions

[crystal wren]

Porkbun, my one true love.

36.56 renewal compared to that is pretty damn good.

[pliant snow]

I'm still on namecheap, I guess I might as well transfer it to porkbun and see if they'll give me a better deal, then let it lapse if not

I barely pay $60 for the server

[rain apex]

stardew.lol

[pliant snow]

I forget what the original one was

stardewvalley.community I think

it was not a good url

[devout vault]

Hack into the DNS stuff and do sdv.discord.com

FOR LEGAL REASONS THIS IS A JOKE

[pliant snow]

CA give me a subdomain

[devout vault]

Not allowed to hack CA's domains

...but I guess that's why you asked him to give you one

[pliant snow]

I'll be good, I'll just send it to a server

[rain apex]

Tbh im surprised that CA doesn't just own all of these

[pliant snow]

they're asking a price to transfer to porkbun

is that just the transfer, or is that also a year of renewal

[crystal wren]

Porkbun is?

[pliant snow]

yeah

[devout vault]

"That's... how DNS works".jpg

(I don't know that meme format well enough to find it)

[crystal wren]

I'm 99% sure my last transfer included a year unexpectedly for me...

[rain apex]

You can get kittycatcasey.space for 26/yr

[pliant snow]

I think this does include a year

It's half of what namecheap was asking for at least

[crystal wren]

One of the most common questions we get from registrants (that’s you) is, “do I lose domain registration time if I transfer domains?” Nope! You won't lose any existing months/years of registration, and in most cases the domain transfer will also add a year of registration time to your domain once the transfer is complete.

[devout vault]

I could also eat all the tasty food in the house for nothing but the price of upsetting my parents (huge price to be fair, I don't want them sad 🙁 )

[crystal wren]

"In most cases" is very helpful.

[pliant snow]

I was hoping to get a first time deal

maybe theres a coupon somewhere

I found a $1 off coupon lol

[devout vault]

[pliant snow]

alright, I'll keep stardew.chat for now

now to figure out how to change nameservers...

I guess I'll see if it transfers

[supple ether]

I've been wanting to play opus magnum and blue prince but I havent gotten around to it

[cinder karma]

This one seems perfect for casey

[cinder karma]

Wut

[uncut seal]

not gonna lie, I haven't experienced the last third yet cuz my laptop dies when I play it

[dusty pollen]

do it (for both)! great games

blue prince for when you're in the mood for a more involved, longer game, opus magnum for when you just want a fun puzzle

[devout vault]

What if I want a longer more involved combat game, with more puzzles than any person in their right mind would expect going into it?

Oh wait, that's just CrossCode

(it's a lot of fun. yes I used a walkthrough for most of the puzzles 😛 )

(and used the setting that made the timing for said puzzles less strict)

Don't tell @earnest cairn , but I still haven't played the Alabaster Dawn demo

[crystal wren]

I still need to finish CrossCode...

[devout vault]

I still need to do my 100% playthrough

[earnest cairn]

same

[devout vault]

I set up a ton of mods like a year ago for my NG+ run, and then never actually played it

[crystal wren]

I was shaken when I discovered CrossCode was written using Javascript.

[devout vault]

I was just about to say "I'd probably mod it some if it wasn't JS"

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7027 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1462510668157681665)

[safe dragon]

me neither

And yeah. I didn't use walkthroughs for the puzzles but I had the puzzles set to the absolute slowest pace you could

and even then I sometimes floundered the execution

[crystal wren]

WAIT, WHAT IS THIS NEW GAME BY THE CROSSCODE PEOPLE?

[safe dragon]

yes

you can tell by the very difficult to tell verticality of everything

[devout vault]

Alabaster Dawn? Yep

oops, wrong response

[crystal wren]

Downloading the demo right now.

[devout vault]

Dang, DH is gonna play the alabaster dawn demo before I am

[devout vault]

same

[crystal wren]

Now I know it exists, absolutely!

[devout vault]

Admittedly part of the reason I used a walkthrough was once I realized your time actually affected if you got through before Emilie or not 😛

[crystal wren]

Steam please.

[devout vault]

I have it installed

I could technically still beat you to playing it...

[crystal wren]

Installed...

Launched!

[devout vault]

Darn

Guess I'll proceed to forget about for another 1d12 + 3 months, then

[crystal wren]

This is actually going to be the first thing I've played with a controller since my clicky DualSense mod a few days ago.

[devout vault]

First time you've played with a controller since a few days ago

Uh

I guess it would be the same here, since I played something on Friday

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7031 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1462519136264523912)

[devout vault]

That really reads like something like "man, that was the first meal I had since this morning"

[cinder karma]

Wanna make a bet on whether or not I'll get to alchemy game first

[devout vault]

Remind me in 2 years to also check if I have played Alabaster Dawn yet

[heavy dagger]

.....ok..... (#7035844) (2y | <t:1831834310>)

[devout vault]

( #programmers-off-topic message )

[fleet wren]

I bet 12 that you will not get to it first

as in, the concept of the number 12. if I lose the bet I'm not allowed to use 12 ever again

[safe dragon]

damn a big gamble

[devout vault]

Since you said "the concept of the number 12", does that mean you can't use other equivalences as well, like 6+6?

Or "the number after 11"

[fleet wren]

yes, if I make calculations that resolve to 12 it just turns into a black void

[safe dragon]

a little problematic considering it has the most factors of any number that small

[dusty pollen]

does that void all numbers after twelve too since the natural numbers are constructed by incrementing from one

are we now limited to zero through eleven

[safe dragon]

not we

only selph

[dusty pollen]

I didn’t realise the concept of the number 12 was an individual one

[devout vault]

Also, does this limit your use of it, or your understanding of it?

[safe dragon]

even math is subjective in the glorious 2026

[fleet wren]

it seems I'll also be unable to formulate sentences longer than 12 letters

[devout vault]

you mean the glorious 3137

[devout vault]

Letters, not words?

[fleet wren]

it's tough but I'll figure it out

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7032 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1462521367743435009)

[safe dragon]

no message longer than 11 bits

[cinder karma]

I assume Casey actually owns that game

I have not purchased the alchemy game but did successfully add it to my gog wishlist which I will then treat the same as my steam wishlist

[devout vault]

I imagine it's more like a censor. Like, anything less than twelve as fine, and anything over twelve is fine if you don't think about it in terms of 12s.

12 itself? What's that?

[cinder karma]

13 bits zero index

[devout vault]

It's not even in EA yet. We were talking about the demo earlier

[cinder karma]

Oh

Well

[devout vault]

Yeah, I guess putting it on steam wishlist would be difficult when you can't log into steam until the 3d mod is done

[cinder karma]

I am not a video game understander

[cinder karma]

Heyyyy now

[cinder karma]

Wait did you mod the controller???

Wait wait wait

[pliant snow]

waits

[cinder karma]

I'm never giving you the interrupt to get out of that wait

[pliant snow]

waits

[devout vault]

Thank yoba I'm not hardware

[rain apex]

Does that mean u take all of december off

[fleet wren]

and also 12PM everyd- oh wait that's just lunch break

[devout vault]

Guess you can’t have lunch now 😔

[crystal wren]

I mean it's not like I made the mod, but I installed a microswitch mod for it, yeah.

[ivory shadow]

I just realized casey has "code crime queen" after her name over here. Should I add that too after making C#-for-JVM a thing that exists? I feel like that's a bigger code crime than anything casey has done, even if it was casey's fault in the first place 🤔

[crystal wren]

I feel like Chord would justify something like that.

[rain apex]

you can be code crime prime minister

[ivory shadow]

What about code crime madam president

[cinder karma]

Sounds awesome! What does it do

[fleet wren]

code crime head of state vs head of government

[ivory shadow]

I couldn't fit madam president I demand a longer nickname

[fleet wren]

who is the Code Crimes General Secretary of the Ruling Party (neither head of state or government but holds more power than both in practice)

[cinder karma]

Chue

[devout vault]

1. You made a separate language, which has literally been done before. For it to be a code crime, you would've had to go the transpilation route. Chord isn't a code crime, it's a DIWhy
2. You clearly are unaware of the extent of my code crimes.
3. I never even asked or suggested you make chord

[rain apex]

Code crime civil war

[cinder karma]

Perfection in the naming

All yall criminals not taking the 5th

[devout vault]

What's the point of code crimes if you can't flaunt them to people

[cinder karma]

Khloe I expect both of y'all to make Minecraft mods with Chord

[devout vault]

...that's literally what it was made for

Although doing hytale mods is also tempting now

[cinder karma]

I dont know what hytale is :P

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, that is in fact why I made it

Hytale is Minecraft 2 /lh

(At least they wanna be Minecraft 2)

[devout vault]

I don't think they want it to be, considering how much they've stressed they have a different focus 😛

(The online fans at large though? Yeah, true)

[cinder karma]

Well, best of luck!

[ivory shadow]

I meant more in the sense of "becoming the gold standard with a huge player base that has a massive community and lasts forever"

[devout vault]

Ah

[ivory shadow]

Especially since they've put so much focus on creator tools.

[safe dragon]

we are all minecraft 2

imagine how far along hytale could've been if they didn't spend 300 years rewriting the entire engine only to then throw that away

[devout vault]

Imagine how far long hypothetical casey game could be if she actually worked on it consistently and didn't change which one she wanted to do every other day

[devout vault]

Youtube and Crunchyroll trying to get me back into anime with a show I watched ages ago

Could've sworn she had white hair

(Even if you haven't seen the show, there's a decent chance you saw this old meme format from it)

[safe dragon]

surprisingly I have not seen the meme format

but I watched that anime

[cinder karma]

I have seen neither

[safe dragon]

in this case I don't think you're missing much

a fairly poorly executed tv series

[devout vault]

I enjoyed it

Ending was rushed though, yeah

[safe dragon]

I enjoyed it well enough too

very rushed latter half

should've had 24 episodes

[devout vault]

I remember the last like 1-2 or two being rushed

Like an entire season's worth in that 1-2 episodes

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7036 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1462539142519980288)

[dusty pollen]

I'm honestly a little proud of how shit this solution is while still working

[fleet wren]

it's dirt cheap, which is an advantage if you're working for a particularly poor company noble house

[dusty pollen]

that has a lot of time to be waiting

[devout vault]

is

is that just water

[dusty pollen]

which part

[devout vault]

"Tonic of Hydration"

[dusty pollen]

oh no but their "tonic of bravery" or whatever was (spoilers) ||just alcohol||

[safe dragon]

thanks discord

[cinder karma]

It doesnt load for me either dont worry

[dusty pollen]

wow I hated this level

[devout vault]

This seems like a game that'd be super hard to design puzzles for

[dusty pollen]

there's actually a puzzle editor with steam workshop support built in so people do try

[fleet wren]

lmao that's the same one leroy was complaining about

tbh I think it's fine (not bragging /srs)

[dusty pollen]

I considered doing waste management and decided I refuse

so I just used everything instead

[fleet wren]

most puzzles (and the only type that the ingame puzzle editor supports) give you infinite space
you are right that puzzles built around limited space would be tough to design, but that's a minority

[prisma flume]

is this a pun

[fleet wren]

also you'd need an external tool for those

[dusty pollen]

it is now 😌

I'm annoyed that you can't use the in game editor to connect a triple bond to the ... atom

[devout vault]

I was gonna say "be the change you wish to see"

But it looks to be a C++ game

I mean, you still could, but the difficulty increases

[devout vault]

Also to be fair I meant for the game developers too, not just the average player 😛

I'm surprised the editor doesn't support everything

[fleet wren]

there is a mod loader using MonoMod to directly extend the game with new features, but apparently you need to revert to the previous version of the game, and I'd be surprised if it has more than 5 users

but yeah it's all in C#

[devout vault]

C#?

I wonder why the steamdb metadata doesn't show .net or anything then

[steel kraken]

SteamworksNET very much leans C#

[devout vault]

I may or may not be blind

[steel kraken]

but the steamdb detected technology logic runs entirely off filename/filepath matching with regex, so without C# looking files theres nothing to match against.

for windows it looks like its just .NET Framework 4.6.2 via a shared redist depot, and I honestly have no idea how the macos/linux depots seem to work as they seem way too small to contain a full mono runtime

[devout vault]

I also wasn't fully aware steam had a shared redist for .net like it does for SDL and stuff

[steel kraken]

stardew still uses it as well

[devout vault]

Bold of you to assume I know/remember things

[steel kraken]

looking at the file detection rules, steamdb doesn't have a C# / .NET rule anyway, probably in part due to how inpractical it can be as it wouldn't detect a single file app

[devout vault]

I had assumed all steam .net games were standalone... for some reason

(ie. would have standard .net DLLs included)

[steel kraken]

.NET core+ probably is, but anything from the framework era would be framework installs using the .NET redist depot to ensure its installed prior to running

as you couldn't really self ship .net framework yourself as it wasn't designed to be self contained

[uncut seal]

you couldn't anyway, there's no trash "machine" in this level. And I'm pretty sure there's a way to make it in "one cycle" with some nice logic

[fast cedar]

Put this in the #making-mods-general channel too because I wasn't sure which one to put it under, but does anyone know any Youtube tutorials or anything to help me learn?

[little furnace]

There aren't really any good YouTube tutorials as far as I know, but depending on what you want to do, the Content Patcher docs (https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/blob/develop/ContentPatcher/docs/author-guide.md) are a really useful resource. Other than that, looking at the code of open-source mods helps you learn how things are actually done in practice.

[cyan shadow]

(I linked them to the start modding guide in mgs!)

[fast cedar]

Is there any good website to write the code in?

[dusty pollen]

website?

are you trying to make mods for stardew specifically? if so we recommend apps like vscode

[cyan shadow]

I use vscodium, personally, but yeah, it's an app, not a website

[fast cedar]

Mods for stardew specifically, yeah. I wasn't sure exactly what was used to create sprites, just assumed it was a website.

[cyan shadow]

I don't think any of us use web-based code editors

[cyan shadow]

OH you want art tools for that

!pixelart

[indigo mist]

Where to Start With SDV-Style Pixel Art
If you've never done pixel art before, don't stress! It's easy to pick up the basics - the key is to start small, ask for feedback, and incorporate that into your work.

To start, you'll want an art program. See a list of recommended programs in the !software command.

Here's some good beginner tutorials!
http://pixeljoint.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=11299&PID=139322
https://medium.com/pixel-grimoire/how-to-start-making-pixel-art-2d1e31a5ceab

To start off, try opening an existing portrait and changing the outfit. Start small: edit a shirt pattern, change a jacket collar, or remove a scarf and draw the clothes underneath. Ask for feedback too! The best way to improve is learning how to identify what's wrong and why, so then you can work out how to fix it.

Here's more good tips from the artist of "Celeste":
General pixel art 1: https://www.patreon.com/posts/pixel-art-1-6971422
General pixel art 2: https://www.patreon.com/posts/pixel-art-part-2-11225146
Outlines: https://www.patreon.com/posts/outlines-14106192
Shading: https://www.patreon.com/posts/shading-13869731
Portraits: https://www.patreon.com/posts/portraits-8693396

SDV has a few quirks to remember too:

• Colour limits: Limit the number of shades you use - stick to six including the outline.
• Hue shifts: Rather than making shadows and highlights lighter or darker versions of the base tone, SDV shifts the hue too. Eg. a base orange will have yellow highlights and red shadows. This goes for skintones too!
• Light source: SDV uses a top-right & slightly forward light source - check the vanilla art for reference.
  Most importantly, don't hesitate to ask questions and get advice from people. Have fun!

To use this command, type !pixelart.

[cyan shadow]

... Wait

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/wiki/Helpful_Programs

[fast cedar]

I'm so sorry, I meant both. I'm new to modding and needed help finding the websites/apps to make this stuff

Thanks for the help!

[cyan shadow]

no worries! post in #making-mods-general if you need any other help - NPCs and such are a bit out of my personal wheelhouse but there are plenty of knowledgeable people in there!

[fast cedar]

!software

[indigo mist]

Here's a list of software for pixel art and JSON text editors we recommend: https://gist.github.com/ishanjalan/c8efb21afa21f74a052293176db107f7

For making SMAPI (C#) mods, see the Requirements section here for which IDE to install https://stardewvalleywiki.com/Modding:Modder_Guide/Get_Started#Get_started.

To use this command, type !software.

[cyan shadow]

(Also, use commands in #governors-mansion if just for personal use)

[tired smelt]

lol

[pliant snow]

Time to try and fix nearly a decade of tech debt in bouncer

[safe dragon]

should only be a few minutes of work

[pliant snow]

mmmm

[devout vault]

did a recent message expose a bad bug or something

[pliant snow]

Even worse, everything is working perfect and I'm here to ruin it

[devout vault]

Or you just feel like suffering today?

Ah

[safe dragon]

good luck

[pliant snow]

I've been storing datetimes as strings, some with time zones, some not, and it's kind of a mess

[devout vault]

With the timing, I was concerned I broke something last night somehow 😛

[safe dragon]

now you're adding storing them as numbers as an extra

[pliant snow]

I'm going to store them as just unix epoch values, yeah, but I'm actually going to go through and convert the database over

[safe dragon]

easy

[pliant snow]

...what did you do last night

[devout vault]

Exposed the server's darkest secrets, leading to chaos untold

or something

[crystal wren]

By rewriting in Rust, right?

[devout vault]

(I'm really not sure what was going on there)

(Whatever it was wasn't happening on other servers though)

[pliant snow]

There's nothing that frustrates me more than Rust's string manipulation, which is entirely what a bot is

[crystal wren]

Yeah, perfect choice then!

[safe dragon]

it's really not that bad

[pliant snow]

it is when you play fast and loose

[rain apex]

I thought rust is like all String are StringBuilder

Just push whatever u want on there

[pliant snow]

This database has three tables that I'm not even using anymore hmm

I need a european

or whoever

What does this look like <t:1768829588:S>

[pliant snow]

is it DD/MM/YYYY

nice

[dusty pollen]

same country as DH, slightly different format

[pliant snow]

I haven't gotten any errors at all yet, suspicious

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by irocendar as #7037 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1462883491912880236)

[pliant snow]

RIP this mess

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7038 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1462876102232899639)

[cinder karma]

I rust strings

[cinder karma]

There is a library for that

[pliant snow]

yeah datetime

[devout vault]

Are you sure you want it to RI peace and not something worse because of how janky it is

[cinder karma]

dateparser – python parser for human readable dates — DateParser 1.2.2 documentation https://share.google/zPNCxmUxiRBYhqmQC

[pliant snow]

I try to include as few external libraries as I can, as a rule

bouncer only has two (plus their sub-dependencies) thus far

[fleet wren]

but what if you need to pad a string to the desired length by adding spaces to the beginning

[pliant snow]

you're right, best add a library to do that one thing

[dusty pollen]

top percentile ridiculousness

[fleet wren]

speed

[devout vault]

New channel name should be #iros-alchemy-playthrough /s

(these gifs are always very mesmerizing)

[dusty pollen]

my name is iro and I approve this message

[fleet wren]

i'm glad i get to sell my favorite puzzle game to at least 2 other people

[supple ether]

Hnnng slay the spire 2 doesn't come out until March. Please megacrit I'm dying

[little furnace]

Huh...

[prisma flume]

today's latest and greatest win11 gripe: alt-tab and win-tab do not work for some (no?) reason

up there with 'cannot search in start menu for some (no?) reason'

[devout vault]

Have you tried percussive maintenance

[prisma flume]

problem exists between physical plane and displayed output

[pliant snow]

the user...

[prisma flume]

not quite

[little furnace]

HYTTIOAOA?

[pliant snow]

gesundheit

[little furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-it-have-you-tried-turning-it-off-and-on-again-telephone-on-call-gif-15495555

[cinder karma]

Beautiful

[cinder karma]

This is literally supported by python fstrings

In syntax so garbage I have to Google it every time

[little furnace]

Can't you also just do it like paddedString = " " * (desiredLength - len(string)) + string?

[cinder karma]

That's also ugly!

f"blah {var:<padding}"

(There are some cases in code where I will indeed be a diva, lol)

Full diva mode here

[little furnace]

You can also do monkey-patching on internal classes using forbiddenfruit:

from forbiddenfruit import curse

def paddedString(self: str, desiredLength: int) -> str:
    return " " * (desiredLength - len(self)) + self

curse(str, "padded", paddedString)

print("hello".padded(10)) outputs hello then.

[cinder karma]

rjust and ljust do exist already

I'm very much picky okay

[little furnace]

... I should stop reinventing the wheel, people smarter than me have done that already.

[pliant snow]

Never, always reinvent every wheel

[cinder karma]

Tbh I wish extension methods exist in python but I understand why they dont

[little furnace]

That reminds me of the time I invented my own sorting algorithm that on hindsight is thrice as bad as Bubblesort.

To be fair, I was 12 back then.

[cinder karma]

Fair! When I was 12 I was very very dumb

As opposed to now, where I'm just very dumb and a bit of a diva

[little furnace]

Relatable. We are all divas for things we care about. Like coffee for me.

[cinder karma]

I like my coffee black, hot, and strong

[little furnace]

I want my espresso slightly bitter, but not too much, not very sour, and maybe with a mild inexplicably taste of chocolate.

[cinder karma]

I also love it that my employer, not me, pays for the coffee

[little furnace]

Behold the bad sorting algorithm I invented when I was twelve:

def twelvesort(unsortedList: list) -> list:
    sortedList = unsortedList.copy()
    i = 0
    while i < len(sortedList):
        i += 1
        if sortedList[i] < sortedList[i - 1]:
            sortedList.insert(0, sortedList.pop(i))
            i = 0
    return sortedList #had a typo previously, thanks casey

[cinder karma]

That's awesome for a twelve year old!

[devout vault]

Am I reading correctly that it still returned the unsorted results

[cinder karma]

(I listed it on gog as a wishlist item! Now watch how long it takes for me to buy it.)

(If you want more precision

1. I wont buy it not on sale.
2. I'm in "fund the roth ira ASAP " mode
3. I have a cavity I need fixed.)

[fleet wren]

oh no (re: 3)

[cinder karma]

It's okay! It just pushes back the fully funded roth ira by one paycheck

[little furnace]

I first made it an in-place sort, then I quickly changed it but mistyped that one.

[little furnace]

Thank you. To be fair, back then I couldn't really code. I had the idea how a robot could sort my books, and tried to think of how it would do that. This is basically the first time I have written it down.

The most cliché thing is that I was typing that code while cuddling with my cat.

That's how I code 75% of all time.

[thin estuary]

meanwhile me

[uncut seal]

damn

next month I'll start streaming a series of "I complete games I never completed", starting with Zacjtronics

I'm 95% done with most of their games

[thin estuary]

update

only got this thing left... ugh

[safe dragon]

lmao

should I buy opus magnum

[cinder karma]

Nice!

[cyan shadow]

You wanna post this in #stardrop-arcade, this is the programming chat

[little furnace]

We all know programmers only have fun when coding.

[safe dragon]

we have fun?

[dusty pollen]

what do you say, should I play that one next?

[thin estuary]

it's the only Zachtronics game i've completed, so idk

i felt like allowing a single extra instruction across your CPUs/units/whatever would help some frustration in this game

i've been running into that issue so many times

"if i could only fit 1 more line of code...!"

[uncut seal]

I felt that TIS100 was way more interesting to work with

[dusty pollen]

I've been going back to early levels of opus magnum and trying to get top percentile and the frustration of being 1 instruction over is so real

[thin estuary]

i haven't given TIS-100 a real chance yet

in Shenzhen, i've picked up some tricks later on, didn't feel too bad

like receiving data from multiple units on one port

also only used a wait loop trick like once across the campaign (waiting for sync)

[dusty pollen]

if you think about it, this is very similar to bubble sort, you just send unsorted values to the start instead of swapping them with the one before and immediately go back to the start of the list when you find an unsorted value instead of continuing to the end each time

[thin estuary]

kinda dreading the extra levels, i've heard there is very little physical space to work with, and i've also been having problems with that, sometimes

i have to go back to EXAPUNKS, was probably also like 95% done with it

[dusty pollen]

Despite its appearances, TIS-100 is a game!

from the steam page

I really appreciate how little space and resources zachtronics games take

(also opus magnum's assets aren't even bundled, they're literally pngs and text files, which I find really fun)

[thin estuary]

i have not finished the original, SpaceChem, either

[little furnace]

Kinda, but it becomes as inefficient as a Tower of Hanoi scenario:

• 5, 1, 2, 3, 4
• 1, 5, 2, 3, 4
• 2, 1, 5, 3, 4
• 1, 2, 5, 3, 4
• 3, 1, 2, 5, 4
• 1, 3, 2, 5, 4
• 2, 1, 3, 5, 4
• 1, 2, 3, 5, 4
• 4, 1, 2, 3, 5
• 1, 4, 2, 3, 5
• 2, 1, 4, 3, 5
• 1, 2, 4, 3, 5
• 3, 1, 2, 4, 5
• 1, 3, 2, 4, 5
• 2, 1, 3, 4, 5
• 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

[dusty pollen]

still impressive for a twelve year old!

[dusty pollen]

I just found out there's an even older flash game that they say is the inspiration for spacechem but looks exactly like opus magnum called the codex of alchemical engineering

[cinder karma]

(Too real tbh)

[devout vault]

This sounds way too technical for me to actually look into, but it seems fancy.
https://pijul.org/

[dusty pollen]

distributed version control

[devout vault]

Couldn't you argue git is distributed

[safe dragon]

it's web scale

[devout vault]

The "seems fancy" part was mainly whatever "Its distinctive feature is to be based on a theory of patches, while still being fast and scalable" means (their bold text, not mine)

[safe dragon]

In Pijul, conflicts are not modelled as a "failure to merge", but rather as the standard case

conflicts are the standard

ez

[worn remnant]

could and should. it very much is

[dusty pollen]

I'm officially out, they had to implement cryptographic algorithms with notes on quantum computer attack robustness just to allow labelling specific versions

(because the way they work doesn't allow you to rely on "this happened before that")

[rain apex]

[devout vault]

I thought so, but worded it that way because my brain is my brain

(ie. I could've thought a stupid)

[worn remnant]

i'm open to the possibility that whatever this thing is means something else when they say "distributed", but git is a distributed version control system by the actual definition of that thing

[dusty pollen]

I assume it means what you think and I've just never heard anyone refer to VCS as distributed

[devout vault]

I found it on a r/ProgrammerHumor post about replacing github, so half of the comments were shilling their favorite unknown alternative to git itself (as one does)

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor

[safe dragon]

I assume the point of distributed here is that multiple people can make changes at the same time to the same "branch" and it not being an issue

since you're not stuck on a linear timeline of when changes happened

[worn remnant]

distributed (e.g. git, mercurial, other good ones) as opposed to centralized (e.g. cvs, rcs, other bad ones)

[cinder karma]

Dont taunt me, ichor

[devout vault]

I can't wait for the time-travel-based VCS to come out

[cinder karma]

"Hey can you check in X file, I kinda need it...."

[devout vault]

Get an exploit fixed a week before it is discovered

Get managers asking you to finish something yesterday, literally

[worn remnant]

so with cvs, there's one central repository where all the stuff lives. when you want to change stuff, you check out the files and also "lock" them, so nobody else can work on them. when you're done, you commit them back and they become available.
yes, if you were born after this era, you should be horrified by this approach. it sucks! this is why DVCSes were invented!

[safe dragon]

I'm fascinated by your version control system seemingly operating similarly to how we do document control at one of the internal work applications

[devout vault]

<perforce flashbacks>

(Still very much in use by at least one company 2 years ago. source: my suffering)

[cinder karma]

"Hey can you check in the status excel file, I need to update it"

[devout vault]

(I'm sure you can search "perforce from:kittycatcasey" and find me complaining about it)

[cinder karma]

You're free now

[devout vault]

I think Perforce is pretty common in larger team gamedev

[cinder karma]

You get to use gitlab now

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-finally-good-food-chef-gif-11616250

[safe dragon]

lmao nah not quite like that

[cinder karma]

It is for the same reason why svn is popular for hardware design

Binary blobs

[cinder karma]

I literally also said that last week

[devout vault]

I get why it's frequently used for gamedev. Doesn't mean I don't hate it

[safe dragon]

I think it's a reasonable system for anything where you can't just diff changes

[devout vault]

Yeah

But have you considered

https://tenor.com/view/mad-argh-angry-rage-smeagol-gif-11349295287195719896

[safe dragon]

I have

me too

but I have also dealt with old auto generated files in shit like WinForms and know how nasty and annoying git can get even for those

you can't just fix the merge conflict you gotta fix the conflicts in the normal files and then generate a new version

but you also couldn't just put them in the gitignore for some reason

[devout vault]

Yeah...

There are definitely times I want files in version control for reference but don't actually care about conflicts

[dusty pollen]

my hot take is that git is fine for 99.99% of purposes

[devout vault]

Is that a hot take? (I'm not sure I'd go up to 99.99% though, if only because of the binary file woes)

[fleet wren]

Shenzhen IO is one of the other Zachtronics games I completed, and I enjoyed the main campaign enough, but the bonus levels start to feel like less like a Game and more Actual Work so I kinda bounced off it
(Opus Magnum is the only one where I came back for more, and that's because it's fairly open ended and streamlined which makes it more personally enjoyable, even if it's way easier than every other Zach games and also the machines look so good and did I mention I'm a huge sucker for the alchemical steampunk fantasy vibe)

[pliant snow]

If you're an Arch user, don't forget to run pacman -Qoq /usr/lib/python3.13 to see what AUR packages are still built against an old python version

or 3.12...

[dusty pollen]

(I'm with you on the vibes so much, I feel like I'll be a tiny bit disappointed if I play any of the other games now haha just because of the aesthetic)

[devout vault]

I don't use arch btw

[cinder karma]

Ngl I love how pretty it looks

Thr machines look so satisfying

[dusty pollen]

have you tried going for top percentile in opus magnum selph? usually I find that kind of stuff way too annoying but at least for chapter one I'm having fun

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7049 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1463203354716016702)

[devout vault]

Downgrading from qt6 to qt5: where instead of slicing strings, you call them mid

(sliced being the substr equivalent, and now I'm needing to use mid)

[fleet wren]

yeah same; I usually don't care too much for it in later puzzles but optimizing earlier ones is also a fun thing on its own

[dusty pollen]

the first few I was able to group top percentile for area and cost in the same solution but that quickly became impossible

[dusty pollen]

I try to get the mode/highest bar in the histogram in all three categories on all puzzles

but I've given up on a couple in the journal

[devout vault]

Ugh, Qt5 doesn't have implicit conversions for things to QString

[fleet wren]

for later puzzles it definitely becomes a "pick one" situation - if you want to optimize for speed you want to pull inputs as quick as possible, but if the input is complicated you need a lot more arms/space to process it

[devout vault]

And of course C++ won't let me define my own

(extension methods? what's that?)

[crystal wren]

I do like Qt, but it's so strange that they essentially insist on having their own standard library...\

[dusty pollen]

generally for the mode I'm able to do it for all three in one solution, but definitely not for top percentile lmao

[fleet wren]

and if you optimize for cost you need to overwork a single arm with hundreds of instructions, increasing cycles

[devout vault]

I imagine that's largely for legacy reasons.

But that's not that unheard - like, Unreal and Godot both do, for example

[pliant snow]

If I was writing a UI framework in the 90s, I probably would have my own standard library too

[crystal wren]

I mean... yeah, same.

[devout vault]

Having to change all my "meow" to QString("meow") and kitties to QString(kitties.c_str())

[fleet wren]

I do take a level of pride if my usual solutions for more complex puzzles can reach top percentile in all 3 of speed, cost and area
surely a desirable thing in IRL production chains as well

[devout vault]

Oh, I only have to do the std::string ones, not the C strings

That makes a bit more sense

[dusty pollen]

I don't even have a top percentile across the board solution for chapter one puzzles but tbf those are probably very tightly optimised so "top percentile" is probably the actual limit

[crystal wren]

So I'm just going to rant about this here, because there's too much help going on in the modding channel... Casey's already aware of this.

For over a year now, I haven't been able to get Rider to attach to SMAPI to debug my mods on Linux.

[dusty pollen]

oh I remember you saying that

[devout vault]

Oh boy, can't wait for everyone to hear about what it turns out the issue was

[uncut seal]

you guys get a debugger working for SV modding?

[crystal wren]

Yeah, so... I figured out what the problem was.

[uncut seal]

I'm just loggin stuff

[dusty pollen]

I saw a teaser in mmg

[devout vault]

I've been using a debugger for ages

[crystal wren]

Spaces.

Just a space.

Space in the path. That's it.

[dusty pollen]

anywhere in the path?

[crystal wren]

This debugging session was started about 10 seconds ago.

[devout vault]

(In other news re:Qt, I'm freeeeeeeeeee!
Until I need to make changes for the PR review, anyways.)

[crystal wren]

/home/alan/Dev/Console.App 1/ConsoleApp1/ConsoleApp1.slnx

[dusty pollen]

that still seems like a bug to me, that's so annoying

[crystal wren]

Oh, it definitely is!

But there's a lot more to it than it seems.

[devout vault]

(Although if the builds still fail I will actually not be free from Qt yet...)

...RIP

oh I don't think this one is my fault

[crystal wren]

A fresh, normal project made with a space in it debugs just fine.

/home/alan/Dev/RiderDebuggerRepro/Rider Debugger Repro/Rider Debugger Repro.csproj

<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk">

    <PropertyGroup>
        <OutputType>Exe</OutputType>
        <TargetFramework>net10.0</TargetFramework>
        <RootNamespace>Rider_Debugger_Repro</RootNamespace>
        <ImplicitUsings>enable</ImplicitUsings>
        <Nullable>enable</Nullable>
    </PropertyGroup>

</Project>

This is fine.

<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk">

    <PropertyGroup>
        <OutputType>Exe</OutputType>
        <TargetFramework>net10.0</TargetFramework>
        <RootNamespace>Rider_Debugger_Repro</RootNamespace>
        <ImplicitUsings>enable</ImplicitUsings>
        <Nullable>enable</Nullable>
        <SelfContained>true</SelfContained>
        <RuntimeIdentifier>linux-x64</RuntimeIdentifier>
    </PropertyGroup>

</Project>

This is not.

It's... somehow, for some reason, only with self-contained .NET programs.

Which Stardew/SMAPI is/are.

[devout vault]

or maybe it is, other PRs are fine

[crystal wren]

You haven't been able to debug, though? Does it just... not work?

[uncut seal]

didn't try

[crystal wren]

Oh, yeah, no, it works fine. Most of all on Windows.

[uncut seal]

I'm using vsc on linux though

[crystal wren]

VSCode on Linux debugs just fine!

No hot reload, but debug's fine.

[devout vault]

At one point - I think on windows even - I had debug and hot reload working, but not together.

The debugger would be launched normally, but for hot reload I had to use dotnet watch

And I didn't know how to combine the two

[devout vault]

Oh, so this actually failed on Mac because of "Install qasesprite plugin", not building tiled itself (I think?). So I think I can safely say "not my fault"

However windows 64bit failed because of compiler differences with headers...

The commit of shame.
https://github.com/mapeditor/tiled/pull/4308/commits/afa225951a1cef9ccc8c600eedb09be21b738fbf

[little furnace]

While Git is fine for 99.99% of purposes, have you considered that Mercurial is better for 99.99% of purposes?

I have never worked in Mercurial, but that's only because I can't find a host that supports it.

By the way, Mercurial supports binary files out of the box.

[rain apex]

Do u consider git lfs not out of box

[devout vault]

LFS helps with the large file size issue, but not the binary file issue

[little furnace]

Nope. It's an extension that uses pointers, not actual files.

[devout vault]

The advantage that stuff like Perforce has there is that only one person can really edit the file at once

So you won't have two people edit the spritesheet at the same time, and then have to figure out how to merge them manually

(or worse for less clear cases, like 3d models or whatever)

[little furnace]

Mercurial has an extension for that, but it's pretty hard to figure out a good solution for distributed systems.

I wasn't paid by Mercurial, by the way.

[devout vault]

Also, it amuses me that when doubling the amount of bits you build for (ie. 32bit -> 64bit), the build time is almost doubled as well.

32bit Tiled built in 4m49s, 64bit Tiled built in 9m17s.

yes that's also qt 5 -> qt 6 and probably other changes as well but shhhhhhhh

[dusty pollen]

is it really better if I have to think about it more 😌

[worn remnant]

mercurial is slow (python!) and i think git's definition of branches is better and easier. but mercurial's big advantage is not having the kind of CLI that gives rise to the git man page generator

[little furnace]

I don't think you have to think about it more. Git was never meant to be a program the user directly interacts with, and it really shows.

[worn remnant]

linus wrote git so he could use it for the linux kernel

[dusty pollen]

I'd have to think about finding a host for it

[worn remnant]

anyway i use git and i don't miss mercurial, but mostly that's because i will never miss any instance of python on my computers /lh

[little furnace]

Fair. The Python part is justified. Can you compile it to C? I think Python usually compiles to C anyway, but it doesn't cache stuff.

[worn remnant]

no idea. i habitually avoid python wherever possible

[devout vault]

fades from existence

(I prefer the command line for git, sue me)

don't actually sue me I can't afford it

[little furnace]

I also prefer the command line, and yet I hate it.

[rain apex]

Hm i feel like i been confused this whole convo cus i thought mercurial is svn

[fleet wren]

nope, that's a third thing

[cinder karma]

Anyways I prefer lawyer version control

_v3_final.pdf

[uncut seal]

when I learned about git, I made my first project by dropping files into github

obviously didn't know the difference

[devout vault]

Shoutout to the projects lost to the sands of time (ie. they were on googlecode and were not backed up before that went completely down)

(pretty sure that was SVN, though)

Ripperoni http://warehousepanic.googlecode.com/

gasp

https://codesite-archive.appspot.com/archive/p/warehousepanic/

[safe dragon]

gasp

alright it's time to do some alchemy

[cinder karma]

Damn none of y'all will be playing the game in early April smh

[safe dragon]

anataeus is a lil prick

oh no I can see the results from my friends

[thin estuary]

friends? you mean rivals you gotta stomp

[safe dragon]

you right

[thin estuary]

idk about their other games, but EXAPUNKS has special puzzles that are specifically designed with asynchronous PvP (against your friends rivals) in mind

[safe dragon]

how do these categories work

do you make a special design for each category

[thin estuary]

yeah, usually you don't win all three with one design

[safe dragon]

like cost, area and cycles

alright

[little furnace]

Git finally supports partial clones? Why did nobody tell me?

[safe dragon]

competition beaten...

now just cycles...

why is aquo not in this list

[devout vault]

it what

[thin estuary]

maybe played before that category was introduced? although i'm not familiar with the game

i just know some of their games started out with 2 categories

[safe dragon]

I was born a dumbass and don't know how to reduce the cycles on the very first puzzle

[little furnace]

You can now clone only parts of a repository, like only a sub-sub-subdirectory or something.

[marble jewel]

I was born a dumbass, I'm still a dumbass, but I was born one too

[thin estuary]

some of their games introduce "tricks" later in the story, which do help bring cycles etc down on the earlier puzzles

[safe dragon]

do I just not understand how cycles are counted smh

[safe dragon]

I see...

so I might have more tools available to me later into the game?

[fleet wren]

not the case for this one actually, you get what you get every level

[thin estuary]

you might, but it would be best if others who played the game confirmed it, although that would be a spoiler i guess

ah

[safe dragon]

alright good

wait I figured out a way to do things with a different arm choice

this is truly hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby

alright where is it saving these gifs

[fleet wren]

desktop

[safe dragon]

my very first solution that wasn't the tutorial to remember this occasion by

fewer cycles is possible though apparently...

I mean better is possible in every category

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7052 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1463245107200266449)

[cinder karma]

Yes, shallow checkouts

A godsend for big repos

[devout vault]

One painful rabbit hole later... Now on github! https://github.com/spacechase0/warehousepanic

[safe dragon]

🎉

scrubs

is there no undo key

[pliant snow]

There's nothing that fucks up WSL2 more than trying to do a tab completion

[fleet wren]

no button, but ctrl z works

[safe dragon]

I tried that to no avail

oh it does work

huh

idk then

[fleet wren]

it also undoes placing commands

[safe dragon]

I should never have started

I think cycles is my favorite one to optimize

oh no I don't understand wtf it means with "an atom cannot be moved in two directions at once" I am not doing that there is literally only 1 arm on it

[devout vault]

(Now with an actual README saying what the heck it is!)

[safe dragon]

wtf is going on

what am I doing that's illegal

[fleet wren]

are you sure you told the other arm to drop

[safe dragon]

definitely

nothing could ever be rotating the same atom in two directions at once

there is no overlap

[fleet wren]

ah it's because the first arm is looping back to its first instruction

if you need the first arm to remain still when the second arm does stuff there's an "extend time" instruction that does nothing other than pad the runtime

[safe dragon]

oh the one where it says you rarely need to use this

"Period Override Instruction"

looks like my competition has already lowered to only 1 person

It's working now thanks Selph

hi I need more steam friends who have played this game

[cinder karma]

Ui designers, is it the new modern thing to cover 1/2 of screen real estate with a request to rate the article

[safe dragon]

of course

the executives want it

[devout vault]

Only 1/2?

[rain apex]

Call to Action

[devout vault]

Oh, only 1/2 for rating. I assume another 1/4 for ads, 1/8 for "please subscribe", 1/16 for a cookie consent

[red crest]

1/16 is too low for cookie consent, that has to cover up an annoying amount of real estate (ideally covering exactly what you want to read) in order to get the user to be fed up enough to just accept it blindly

[little furnace]

I might buy it soon the more you people post gifs.

[little furnace]

If I block the cookie consent using a custom stylesheet, do I consent to it?

[safe dragon]

good 🙏

[devout vault]

I was running out of space, so I just made the most important thing the smallest. As is, 94% of the page is covered.

It can be right in the center of what's left for actual content though!

(and scrolls with the window, or even prevents scrolling entirely. and blocks you from Xing out the other ones, of course)

[cinder karma]

Firmware update, my monitor now randomly flickers

Kill me now

[cinder karma]

What about gog friends

[devout vault]

Dang it there's leaderboards?

But I don't need to buy another game I'll promptly never go back to after the next day.

[cinder karma]

I have spent the last 15 minutes rebooting the work machine

Fjeocheowonfejw Delllllll

[safe dragon]

I don't like how it has already devolved in to funky jank

I'm definitely only going to optimize for cycles that's the most fun one to me

[cinder karma]

When Casey finishes 3d mod I will be friends with you on steam, crumble

[safe dragon]

incredible

[devout vault]

It is occasionally making progress! Maybe it'll be done by 2030!

[safe dragon]

incredible

4 more years

dear god

[prisma flume]

ive simply never questioned the library terminology of checking out a branch and how it implies that finishing the branch would have you check it in again. nor did i think that there would be a centralised VCS that, much like a library, has you wait for someone to checkin the book again before you can checkout

another rfine 4+.5 hours of sleep. one day I will learn to not lrogrsmming

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #7055 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1463282490293751942)

[safe dragon]

tf is sigmar's garden

I don't even know how to do anything

[lethal walrus]

the garden of a pesron called sigmar

[safe dragon]

is it really not going to explain the rules to me lmao

is this supposed to look like a typical board game I obviously would already know and need no instructions...

alright idk what this is

gonna ignore it

[pliant snow]

I have played a lot of sigmar's garden

It's a version of solitaire

[safe dragon]

.. are you sure

is solitaire something different from what I think it is

solitaire to me is that one card game you used to get with windows

[cyan shadow]

I played a shit ton of solitaire

Then windows stuffed it with ads and I stopped playing it

[pliant snow]

how dare you question me

[safe dragon]

oh I don't question whether you played sigmars garden

I was questioning whether it's anything like solitaire

I googled solitaire and have learnt that the name is used to refer to a gazillion different games

[pliant snow]

its a game where you have a set of matching items and you're trying to remove them all from the board

[safe dragon]

up until this moment solitaire to me was specifically the card game in windows where you have to gradually get the 4 stacks at the top to contain all the cards of that type in the right order

the more you know I guess

it refers to a whole class of games with only vaguely sharing the same general concept

[pliant snow]

indeed

now get back in there

[safe dragon]

I still don't know the rules of this specific one

i just clicked on the random tiles I was allowed to click for a few minutes and absolutely nothing happened

well no one time suddenly one disappeared and different tiles became clickable

but I couldn't figure out what happened cause I'd clicked that tile tons of times before

[pliant snow]

You select tiles in pairs to remove them from the board

so a pair of wind/fire/earth/air circles

the salt one is a wild

[safe dragon]

I'm glad you think I know which one of em is salt

or what a wild is

[pliant snow]

you can only highlight circles that are... I forget the exact criteria, they have to have so much free space around them

salt is the one with a theta

[safe dragon]

I see

I already turned off my pc for the day but perhaps tomorrow

[pliant snow]

oh i found the instructions

[safe dragon]

would've been nice if it had shown me that in game

[pliant snow]

It's a button that's easy to miss

I think they also changed it in the solitaire collection to fade out items that cant be selected, making it more obvious

[cobalt shore]

Dangit this game isn't super up my regular alley but y'all got me adding it to my wishlist

[pliant snow]

I've tried, but never gotten into it

the solitaire collection tho

[safe dragon]

in opus magnum the non clickable ones are practically transparent

[pliant snow]

highly recommended

ok, so its the same there then

[safe dragon]

I'm sure there's a strategy to it

[pliant snow]

There do be

[safe dragon]

but much like Microsoft solitaire I might never learn what that is

[pliant snow]

It's one of my favorites from their solitaire games

[safe dragon]

it's not exactly what I bought the game for

it's like playing a game and it suddenly makes you solve a sudoku

[pliant snow]

Some of the zachtronics games do actually make you do the solitaire as part of the story I think lol

[safe dragon]

this one said it was optional thankfully

seems like an odd thing to include but I guess it's part of the zachtronics formula

[pliant snow]

There's a solitaire game in each of their normal games, and some are really neat and some are really not good

the opus magnum one is the only one that doesnt use cards

[dusty pollen]

(later in the game there's another version with a new mechanic btw)

[little furnace]

Card solitaire games are called patiences. What @pliant snow was talking about is called Peg Solitaire, I think:

[pliant snow]

👀

that's not in the solitaire collection...

[safe dragon]

nah this is yet another game it seems

one I have actually, physical version

[dusty pollen]

sigmars garden appears to be based on abalone judging by the board shape