programmers-off-topic

[supple ether]

Landlords are evil

[cyan shadow]

I guess I can justify it since my apartment came fully furnished and with all the kitchen equipment I needed sans an airfryer

[safe dragon]

enjoys his 480 a month mortgage payment instead of rent

[cyan shadow]

480

[supple ether]

Oh my god

[cyan shadow]

Not even my shared student apartment rent was that low

[supple ether]

I would kill for that

[devout vault]

My rent before my chicago stint was like 1.4k a month

[cyan shadow]

And I live in a fucking village compared to Gouda

[safe dragon]

rent in Gouda is over 1k a month

[devout vault]

The lowest I ever had was 600 (also in college, like Quill)

[devout vault]

People live in cheese?

I would say that sounds great, but that building would get eaten so fast

[cyan shadow]

I also pay over 1k a month rn, that's the problem

[crystal wren]

<insert Leerdammer shilling>

[cyan shadow]

Lowest I had was 150 euro, but that was in India so it was rather expensive for what it was

[supple ether]

I gotta get out of this fucking city

[cyan shadow]

I just need to get a job

Finding a cheaper apartment will become easier once I have one, I think

[devout vault]

Income does generally make things more affordable, yes

[safe dragon]

alright if we want an actually fair comparison I should get the real number and add my HOA fees and my gas/electricity which is 471 + 122 + 122 = 715 euros a month

[cyan shadow]

Nah, a lot of landlords require tenants to have a certain income here

[cyan shadow]

And this is doubly strict for international renters

[safe dragon]

in Utrecht a lot of landlords were demanding 3.5x or even 4x the monthly rent in salary

[cyan shadow]

Like me

[devout vault]

I mean I imagine a lot of people would still do insane things for something that low

[cyan shadow]

Someone tried this where i am and the apartment is still empty

[safe dragon]

Utrecht has crazy demand

[safe dragon]

oh probably

[cyan shadow]

Who makes 4x 1200 euro and lives here

... Except for those rich people in their mansions

[safe dragon]

😌

they probably don't want to rent that place

[cyan shadow]

Although tbh I won't be that far off once I start working

[safe dragon]

that's more than my current day salary

wait is it

[cyan shadow]

Only 1k short of the requirement at entry level purely by visa requirement

That's per month, crumb

Bruto, presumably

[safe dragon]

yeah I know

I could swear instead of this salad recipe I had bookmarked my salary website

[cyan shadow]

If you're earning 4800 a day, I should go back to uni and do a computer science degree

[devout vault]

Sounds like you actually bookmarked the celery website

[cyan shadow]

I might do it eventually tbh

Once law gets too tedious

[little furnace]

If you do, remember to stock up on programming socks beforehand.

[safe dragon]

ok never mind I do make over 4800 a month

[supple ether]

I don't think I can afford a degree

[cyan shadow]

Mom's a programmer, I'll just raid her closet

[safe dragon]

4880

[cyan shadow]

If I naturalize eventually then do a degree, it becomes very affordable to do it

Right now, my mother sounded very tired when I asked about a second masters

[safe dragon]

That'd be one hell of an income

idk how I can provide that much value to any company

[devout vault]

I'm so unappreciated here 😔

[safe dragon]

casual 1.75 million euros a year

[cyan shadow]

Wait I missed that

[devout vault]

despite being a programmer and transgender, I have never owned or even tried programmer socks

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by quillex_ as #6931 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458863910512754718)

[safe dragon]

I was trying to find my paycheck

[devout vault]

It's been so long since I've been quoted 😌

[supple ether]

I hate that even unpaid internships for programming want you to have a degree

[cyan shadow]

I found my bike key

[safe dragon]

gratz

[devout vault]

I feel like I say so many quotable things, but the people who frequent here just don't quote much (and usually not me when they do)

[little furnace]

I had the pun in my head and had laughed before you posted it, and then it was no longer funny to me.

[cyan shadow]

Okay see y'all later time to bike

[little furnace]

You need some programming socks in your life. And blahajs. Programming blahajs.

[supple ether]

I've thought about getting some, but I have huge thighs that most brands do not accommodate well

[devout vault]

I also have never even seen a blahaj in person

[robust quarry]

no way-

[lethal walrus]

ive seen a whole basket of blahajs
i did not buy one

[supple ether]

Isn't that just rubber duck debugging

[devout vault]

I suspect that might be the case for me as well. Purely because of my weight though (I don't actually know if that's really a big factor)

[little furnace]

Sock Dreams specifically targets towards people with larger thighs. I had them imported here.

[devout vault]

no this involves the shork

[supple ether]

Shonk

[devout vault]

Shonk, right

I remembered the o but it still felt off and I couldn't figure out why

[little furnace]

I bought these:

Can recommend.

[safe dragon]

blahaj is too powerful

[supple ether]

[safe dragon]

I don't have any programmer socks

I am an ankle socks hater but socks that long go too far

[little furnace]

Why does nobody here have programming socks

[rain apex]

Cus it restricts blood flow

[safe dragon]

not enough rust programmers

[little furnace]

Does it?

[devout vault]

I still haven't put forth the effort to figure out the whole fashion thing

Want to, but haven't gotten around to it because gestures vaguely at brain

[pliant snow]

Do people actually buy those

[supple ether]

I've done a bit of rust but c# is more "batteries included" so I usually just use that

[devout vault]

Also, not to be on topic, but while we're talking about shonk: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/17550

[safe dragon]

is blahaj a trans icon

[supple ether]

Sort of

[little furnace]

I know a lot of people who have them.

[devout vault]

I mean there's this old meme

[supple ether]

It's part of the very online transfem stereotype

[little furnace]

It's kinda like Arch.

I use Arch btw

[supple ether]

I like ubuntu but I still use windows mostly

[crystal wren]

I also use Arch, by the way... but am in Windows right now because I have to be.

[little furnace]

Same...

[safe dragon]

using ubuntu still in 2026 also comes with stereotypes probably

[crystal wren]

I'm going to perpetually point at that Rider issue until they fix it.

[devout vault]

Arch can't handle SDV's slightly weird content building setup, which means its trash

[little furnace]

I kinda managed to trash my Arch installation by first ls-ing a directory, then doing rm -fr . without previously doing cd.

[devout vault]

(And by can't handle, I mean "I couldn't get the windows build script working with minimal adjustments, despite it only being .net stuff")

[little furnace]

Arch is incredibly minimal, so it might lack some stuff that's necessary for that.

[devout vault]

Ah, yes, the rm guillotine option

I've always done it as -rf not -fr

[supple ether]

I like ubuntu bc I can just install it and have it work

[crystal wren]

I'll bet it could be made to work, but in a really annoying way... maybe?

Now I need to infiltrate CA HQ to figure it out. /j

That's basically how Arch is nowadays with archinstall.

[devout vault]

Oh it certainly could, but I didn't think it was worth the effort

[little furnace]

It's -fr because I hate the French and want to delete them.

[devout vault]

Especially given my attention span tendencies (since it kinda prevented me from working on anything involving data model changes)

[safe dragon]

remove the french from directory

[devout vault]

rude

No I'm not french, but I have a french friend

[safe dragon]

I don't so we good

my grandparents did live there for most their retirement years

[little furnace]

Don't worry, after I delete them, they will be reborn as German, which is infinitely better.

Source: am German

Please don't take things too seriously

[safe dragon]

this will be used against you in court

[little furnace]

Don't worry, I hate the Saxons more than I hate the French. And the Bavarians. Oh gosh, the Bavarians.

[safe dragon]

what about the dutch

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6932 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458866187126571101)

[safe dragon]

I think like half of all my quotes were done by atra

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6933 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458864858173935648)

[little furnace]

They are alright.

[safe dragon]

which is saying something considering I've been in this server for close to 10 years

[safe dragon]

🙏

[cinder karma]

Ugh I hate you

[fleet wren]

did someone mention rust

[devout vault]

Which court? On a scale from "international criminal court" to "hermitcraft court"

[safe dragon]

all of them

[cinder karma]

(For the record, that's lower than my expected property tax on the house I want to buy)

[safe dragon]

oh I mean I didn't add property tax

[devout vault]

wow atra, thanks for immortalizing me complaining about people not thinking I'm funny

[heavy dagger]

k

[safe dragon]

property tax is paid yearly idk what it is

[little furnace]

Nobody will send me to court because then you'd have to disturb the cat that's currently cuddling with me.

[safe dragon]

oh no

[devout vault]

Nothing a little pspsps and a treat can't fix

Or the box a super fancy cat bed came in (but not the cat bed itself)

[little furnace]

To be fair, you coming into the room will already cause him to hide, so I don't have much of a defense.

[cinder karma]

How do you not know??

[devout vault]

how dare you

I'm kittycatcasey. Cats love me

[safe dragon]

I don't really care...

[devout vault]

except when they don't because cats are cats, but anyways

[cinder karma]

Casey i need you to fly over here and tame the four strays

[safe dragon]

I can look it up if you want

[little furnace]

He once was hiding from an angry blackbird...

[fleet wren]

my impression of cats is that they don't even like other cats

[little furnace]

He is afraid of other cats.

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6934 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458869685658583256)

[cinder karma]

I do own legwarmers

And compression socks

[devout vault]

That very much depends. I would show a picture example but it was a facebook memory from a day or two ago, and the notification takes me to a different memory now

[devout vault]

Birds are scary though. They aren't real, after all

[little furnace]

He's afraid of everything that moves and doesn't smell like me or my mother. Or, when we cary something weird he's also afraid of us.

[safe dragon]

alright for completeness for atra
I paid 1,491.69 in municipal and water management taxes. That's 124.31 euros a month. If we add that to the 715 euros from before that's 839 euros a month

some of that you'd also pay when you rent

[cinder karma]

What's fucking hilarious is that is I'm looking at a minimum mortgage payment of ~ $833 and > $500 of property tax alone

Add in insurance and it's more than the mortgage

[safe dragon]

I don't think we have a direct comparison for property taxes. I pay a bunch of taxes that scale based on the property I own and the size of it

but there's nothing strictly called property taxes

it's divided into stuff like sewage treatment, waste facility upkeep, water system maintenance

[devout vault]

Oh that's separate here

Property tax is a bonus fee

[cinder karma]

To be fair. Casey

[safe dragon]

I also pay 1.50 euros per trash bag I guess I accidentally included that in that monthly figure

[cinder karma]

Neither of us pay state income tax

This is why I can target a mortgage payoff of less than 5 years

Leaving taxes as my only housing costs

[safe dragon]

paying off an entire house in 5 years seems insane

I don't think they even allow you to sign up for a mortgage like that here

15 years is the minimum I think

[devout vault]

We've been here close to 20 years and I don't think my parents have paid off the house yet

[safe dragon]

30 is pretty standard

if you want to lose less to interest payments you can go for a shorter timeframe

but obviously higher monthly cost

[crystal wren]

I'll take lower interest and lower monthly cost, thanks.

[safe dragon]

I'm afraid we don't have that option

[cinder karma]

So the specific thing I'm going for is the 7/6 ARM, then just blitz it

[crystal wren]

Sounds... risc-y...

https://tenor.com/xQPm.gif

[safe dragon]

we used to here called an interest-only mortgage. There you never actually pay off your mortgage, you only pay the interest for the mortgage and assume that your house will increase in value to pay back the actual mortgage value then

that turned out to be a bad idea so that's gone now

[devout vault]

What's the opposite of banned if you're not banned.

Mods, promote him?

[worn remnant]

i think this is true in the US too (or at least no one offers such a short loan that i know of), but you can also just choose to overpay and the excess gets deducted from principal, so you can pay it off faster that way

[crystal wren]

Oh no, don't let Jade know!

[safe dragon]

generally mortgage here have a maximum sum you are allowed to pay off on top of your mortgage payments within a year

[devout vault]

Hold your horses, I never said promote you that much

[safe dragon]

unless you have a really low interest loan compared to the current interest rates

[cinder karma]

We can have that but it's not necessarily a thing

[safe dragon]

I got my mortgage during a historic low in interest rates so they allow me to pay off as much as I want

[cinder karma]

I am less lucky lol

[safe dragon]

I did go over the maximum in extra repayment for my mortgage this year

finances

for the most part I just kinda zone out and pay the stuff I'm owed

[devout vault]

Maximum... extra.. repayment?

[safe dragon]

yeah

[devout vault]

Did they say "no, actually, we don't want more of your money"

(because we'll make less in the long term, I assume)

[safe dragon]

they're counting on your loan existing for a longer timeframe so if you suddenly pay it off all at once that's a problem to them so they cap the amount you're allowed to repay

you'd also end up paying them a lot less in interest

[cinder karma]

Yeah, it's that

[safe dragon]

🌈

I couldn't pay off my full mortgage if I wanted to don't worry bank

[devout vault]

Yeah that's what I figured

It's still funny on a surface level though

Like if counting on a longer timeframe, then just throw it in business savings and pay yourself monthly, smh

(not that that helps with the interest part, since I doubt anyone's interest is less than a savings account would be)

[cinder karma]

The mortgage interest is typically higher than the matching interest rate for corporate bonds

[safe dragon]

my mortgage interest is 1.37%, to make people jealous

[cinder karma]

Nice

[safe dragon]

I think my parents' interest rate back in the day was like 10%

it was really bad

ignoring that the house cost like 12 pennies by comparison of course

[cinder karma]

I'm looking at 5.5

[thin estuary]

His color combo is ugly lol

Like, the colors are probably fine, but the gradient between them isn’t

[sand frost]

my car has something wrong with the oil pressure now

might need to change my name

very scary tbh, oil pressure issues can destroy an engine

[cinder karma]

😨

[sand frost]

waiting to hear what the mechanic thinks

[cinder karma]

Best of luck is a sensor issue

How was the dipstick level?

[pliant snow]

Don't say that about the driver

[cinder karma]

You know, I think actually it's more or less possible for me to design and build a dishwasher controller....

[devout vault]

Can't wait for the "atra accidentally floods their apartment" arc

(Narrator: she was not, in fact, hoping for said arc)

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6938 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458908638704828630)

[sand frost]

Totally fine and my oil got changed like last month

I’m worried it’s the oil pump

Or the whole dang engine, who knows

[cinder karma]

Is the oil clean?

Does the car have a history of eating oil

[sand frost]

No, never had an issue

Idk if the oil is clean

Mechanic didn’t say

I haven’t checked myself

[cinder karma]

I remember my Sienna never really even dirtied up the oil, like

A sixteen year old car with golden oil

[sand frost]

Yeah like it’s always been changed regularly

I’m at the dealership now hoping they can figure it out

[cinder karma]

As cars age they tend to dirty the oil...my Honda already tends to darken the oil over the year

[sand frost]

I’ve never done my own oil because I don’t have the space or tools, so I don’t have a great handle on it

But I have been told by various mechanics that it’s still going strong

Only 130k miles

[cinder karma]

I dont either! I just check the dipstick every month!

[sand frost]

I’m less diligent

[cinder karma]

I'm basically running the dx for "sensor/engine/pump"

[sand frost]

I’m worried it’s the pump

[cinder karma]

Yeah

[sand frost]

It makes some bad noises = probs not sensor

actually having oil = probs not a leak

[cinder karma]

Agreed

[cinder karma]

Look i can do this!

Open source in Rust!

[safe dragon]

🙏

[dusty pollen]

I solved most of those with one loop for every two products - often storage actually made the second product fairly different anyway

[cinder karma]

BTW I found this excellent YouTube video

https://youtu.be/Fg86BXGWvJQ?si=yGRRh-KX3F3IPnvl

So fun

[terse galleon]

computer science people: i'm running a fandom event where i match up pairs of artists and authors together based on two factors: authors' ranked choice, and all participants' desired level of collaboration on a scale of 1-5. in the past i've just done this matching manually, but do you know of any sorting algorithm or anything that would speed up the process? the desire is to have everyone with a match, and to prefer 2 people get their second choice over one person getting their first choice and one person getting their third choice

like i said i can just do it manually but it occurred to me that there may be a program or something out there already

[rain apex]

Hm this is gonna sound stupid but you want a tournament bracket tool of some kind then

[cinder karma]

Stable matching problem - Wikipedia https://share.google/AdHbWVCpA3mJ46UMf ?

Stable marriage?

[terse galleon]

hmm it looks like stable marriage might require the other set to have ranked their preferences? i might be able to explain this better if i show the data

left: authors ranked a minimum of 5 artworks they wanted to claim, up to 10. they only receive one match.
right: an example of what they were shown for claims purposes (the artwork, the artists' desired collab level, etc)

so ideally the author would have already taken the artists' preferences into account, but in case they ignored that, i double check to see i'm not matching a level 1 with a level 5 desired collaboration level. as you can see some artworks are way more popular and some have 1 or fewer claims

so even if an artwork is an author's seventh choice, if that's the only time it's claimed, i need to give it to them in order to ensure the artwork gets matched. but ideally every author would get their first choice

does that make it clearer?

[cinder karma]

What is the desired collaboration level going for

Are there equal numbers of artist and author

[terse galleon]

the point of that is to make sure i don't match a chatterbox who wants to give and receive a ton of feedback with someone who just wants to be left alone to work. it's not AS important, but still a factor in making sure communication doesn't break down.

yes, equal numbers, but with the caveat that some people will drop out. but i have pinch hitters in place whose purpose is to fill in when needed

[cinder karma]

Does it have to be an exact match

[terse galleon]

by exact match do you mean everyone gets exactly one partner?

[cinder karma]

Sorry. The collaboration, will you pair a 4 with a 5 or not

[terse galleon]

oh yeah definitely will do that

i try not to have it be a difference of more than +/- 2 (for example, a 3 and a 5)

but sometimes needs must

[frosty echo]

Maybe just assign randomly, discard if anything obviously no good is chosen, measure the goodness of the rest, repeat however many times keeping the best each time?

[terse galleon]

that sounds like what i basically do manually lol :D if there's something that could speed it up that'd be grand

preliminary matches just based on first come first serve, then re-evaluate as needed

[frosty echo]

Maybe some kind of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hill_climbing with swapping the worst things to try to improve the whole

[cinder karma]

Yeah, and just have the weights increase above linear as you go down the author desire list

[terse galleon]

hmm interesting interesting

[cinder karma]

Tbh you cant possibly have that many people you could literally do every possible combination

[terse galleon]

yeah like i said only 24 artworks

lmao speak of the devil i just had someone contact me they're dropping out

[red crest]

isnt this just the assignment problem rather than the stable matching problem

[terse galleon]

reading the wikipedia page examples, it does sound like it

with the added secondary variable of desired collaboration level (which i'd weight at maybe 30/70)

[red crest]

if you know how much the choice and the collaboration desire should contribute then you can just combine them into one value and do the algo against their combined score

[terse galleon]

on a practical level, do you know of an existing tool that can do that? or do you mean theoretically, if i were to code something (which i doubt my ability to do lol)

[red crest]

theoretically, if you were to code something

there probably is an assignment problem calculator out there somewhere

but i dont know of one

[terse galleon]

i see i see

https://cbom.atozmath.com/CBOM/Assignment.aspx?q=hm this looks promising for the ranked choice at minimum, and i can manually adjust it if it gives a bad match based on collab level (+/-3 or more)

added bonus of being able to see which have no claims yet lol

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6940 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458864730461438129)

New quote added by atravita as #6941 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458862765207720148)

New quote added by atravita as #6942 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458858407686574246)

[cinder karma]

Taylor Swift?

[prisma flume]

really it should go back to solid colour. nobody's going to want the stardew developer role like this

[cinder karma]

Anyways

.qp are long socks required

[little furnace]

Required for?

[cinder karma]

Life in general

Using arch

[dusty pollen]

what do you do if nobody claims a certain artwork?

[terse galleon]

contact pinch hitters/ask if authors want to claim a second artwork. if not then the artist is kinda SOL, i can't force someone to write something they don't want to

[dusty pollen]

that kind of complicates things I guess

[terse galleon]

so far, with 8 people who haven't submitted their claims yet, there's only one artwork that doesn't appear in any claims

[dusty pollen]

you could make the reverse of the rank list for a certain artwork by ranking the authors who chose it based on what they ranked it, with equal rankings being higher if the author has fewer total choices and lower otherwise

so if Artwork A is Author 1's first choice, author 2's third choice out of five and author 3's 3rd choice out of ten, its reverse ranking would be 1: Author 1, 2: Author 2, 3: Author 3

[terse galleon]

ooh interesting

[dusty pollen]

should be relatively easy to generate that

[terse galleon]

then comparing that to the other results, or using that in the stable marriage one, or?

[dusty pollen]

stable marriage would be my first attempt

idk if stable marriage can handle empty rank lists, if it can’t you can just add a dummy author for every artwork that hasn’t been selected

[cinder karma]

Can't you just exclude all artworks with no authors

[terse galleon]

yeah i had put dummies in for pinch hitters for the people that dropped out, with all fics at 999 instead of 1-10. that calculator also let me put in - to prevent matching authors with art they didn't list in their claim

[terse galleon]

i could yeah although i'd have to go through manually to check. not a big deal tho

i kind of already did in a preliminary pass

[cinder karma]

I meant in the code

[dusty pollen]

how much data do you have?

atra I believe they’re using a web calculator right now

[terse galleon]

as of right now, 16 people have submitted a google form in which they chose at minimum 5 fics. most people did 6, some did up to 10

not at all difficult to just ctrl+f with each artwork name

[dusty pollen]

if you end up trying something along the lines of what I suggested I’d be very curious to hear how it goes

[terse galleon]

i'm trying to find a web calculator for stable marriage that doesn't have a .ai url rn

also multitasking by watching hell's kitchen so not a lot is getting done to be fair

[dusty pollen]

I’ve been watching so much of that recently that I can quote some of the challenges lmao

[cinder karma]

What's hell kitchen

[dusty pollen]

gordon ramsey’s main reality show

[terse galleon]

gordon ramsey's cooking competition

[cinder karma]

I'm making bread

[terse galleon]

he doesn't curse and throw shit as much anymore though

[dusty pollen]

it’s not the chill kind

[cinder karma]

This is usless information to you

But the bread smells nice

[terse galleon]

mayhaps your breadmaking skills would serve you well in HK

[dusty pollen]

I don’t think he does most of what he used to any more lmao

[cinder karma]

My breadmaking skills will serve me well in Hong Kong

[fleet wren]

aww, no more idiot sandwich

[cinder karma]

If you go to the really early stuff, the UK restaurant show

He is very kind

[dusty pollen]

that was never a thing it was a james corden skit

[cinder karma]

I watched that one episode with the French vegan

[dusty pollen]

restaurant nightmares, he isn’t kind per se but he’s a lot more chill for sure

[terse galleon]

i feel like he's always kind but not always nice

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/De3vCOJidxI?si=qxRcc_mSDg1E1pCn

[terse galleon]

like he genuinely cares a lot about food and about helping people (ETA: in our parasocial understanding of him lol)

[cinder karma]

He's so much kinder in the UK version of the show

Vs the US

[dusty pollen]

I feel like he’s rarely nice and sometimes but not always kind he’s said some absolutely wild stuff for absolutely no good reason

[cinder karma]

The US is unwatchable

[dusty pollen]

he is very talented and very entertaining though

[terse galleon]

i definitely would believe that producers pushed him to be meaner for the drama of it all

[cinder karma]

Speaking of parasocial relationships my favorite electrical engineering YouTube uploaded

Meanwhile people are mad at knitting Olympian swimmer for UK drama I dont understand

Hey iro, do you do the programmer socks

[terse galleon]

sometimes i feel like sentences come out of atra's mouth that have never been said before

[cinder karma]

Wdym?

[terse galleon]

"knitting olympian swimmer in UK drama" just tickled me because i've never heard of that lol

[cinder karma]

Yeah! The knitting competition

[dusty pollen]

you mean diver?

Tom Daley?

[dusty pollen]

I do not, no

[cinder karma]

Swimmer, diver, I just saw him on TV knitting lol

.qp i own programmer socks

My socks are handknit lol

I'm not knitting that much sock (plz ignore my handknit legwarmers)

[devout vault]

Can the display tech experts confirm or deny this comparison (stolen from reddit)

[sand frost]

cat!!

[steel kraken]

OLED can do the best blacks as OLED doing black is having the pixel be off, which IPS can't do.
but its also kind of an exaggerating how bad IPS can be

[worn remnant]

left cat is a bit more TN i think

[cinder karma]

They're both adorable

It's really nice how cheap pcbs are now

[lyric bloom]

My two external USB drives keep making noises when I'm trying to sleep. 🤔

[pliant snow]

That's a fantastic meme

[lyric bloom]

Interestingly, I mostly came to drop this by: https://x.com/i/status/2009309321591652726

Thour (@ThourCS2)

New Steam Workshop Feature ‼️

Normally, Steam always updates mods to the newest version. Now, Steam lets mods and games lock themselves to specific game versions, so:

- Mods don’t suddenly stop working
- Players can stay on an older, stable version if they want

Steam will

X · Jan 8, 2026, 5:00 PM

[steel kraken]

Interesting, though requires games to opt-into it first and maintain old versions in branches

so for games with only one live version its probably still better to encode the info separately still

[rain apex]

I feel like requiring branches makes sense

[modest steppe]

yeah this seems nice

if only the workshop worked as intented

[safe dragon]

if only I could find the actually good mods on it

in the rare scenarios where I've used it, like portal 2 custom maps, it's been basically impossible to find good stuff using its search

[modest steppe]

yeah the search is like

????

whats the point of searching for a word if u aint trying to find the word steam

[prisma flume]

i only ever use the steam workshop by most popular, though there's not many games i have that use it

searching by category is always a lost cause with these sorts of things

[dusty pollen]

opus magnum has user submitted puzzles on there which seems like it could be a fun feature

[safe dragon]

most popular gets you terrible stuff for portal 2 custom maps because people poorly rate maps that they couldn't figure out the solution for

so all the popular maps are ridiculously easy

if your map isn't easy enough to be in the main story campaign it's doomed

[dusty pollen]

I wish I could play portal 😔 it’s fun but instant nausea is a no go

where’s a mod that magically fixes that please /lh

[safe dragon]

NauseaFix

[dusty pollen]

brb looking that up, if it isn’t a real thing my heart will be broken

[safe dragon]

I made it up

[modest steppe]

i have portal 2, does it have the same issue

[uncut seal]

portal 2 changes how the camera moves when going through a portal

you'll have to try it for yourself to see if it "fixes it" for you because everyone is different

although p1 camera is pretty disorienting even for me

[prisma flume]

you could also filter by most subscribed i suppose a difficult map would still have a high download count even if they rated it poorly

[safe dragon]

doesn't really work either

the people who make the nice maps are a fairly small niche community

while the amount of people who own portal 2 is very big

[prisma flume]

then there is no pleasing you 🥪

[uncut seal]

the best way to find good maps is recommendations ime

[safe dragon]

yeah you just gotta find that community...

and see their recommendations

[uncut seal]

I can dig up maps I played if you're interested

[safe dragon]

it's fine that frustration is from many years ago

I haven't played portal 2 in a long time

[uncut seal]

same

I got so game-bored that I came back to playing SV yesterday

[prisma flume]

really scraping the bottom of the barrel there

[dusty pollen]

play opus magnum and send your fun machines

[cinder karma]

That game does look of interest

[sand frost]

i've been playing a bunch of terrascape recently

[devout vault]

VR mod fixes this makes this much worse

[devout vault]

I think this is why some people like Wallpaper Engine and TModLoader have done their own search in-app using the workshop data

[safe dragon]

yeah it's common

hmmm

just booted up my pc

wallpaper is gone

time to start the weekend by debugging

[devout vault]

I'm choosing to believe you mean you turned on your PC, and the wallpaper in the room disappeared leaving just drywall or whatever.

Crumble, I think your PC is cursed

[safe dragon]

lmao

looks like they changed config format

the wallpaper is back

[uncut seal]

I did make a new one 3 days ago

and I have this one from months ago

[uncut seal]

this one is fun because it has one set of instructions that loops 6 times to complete the product

[safe dragon]

someday I will play one of these

[fleet wren]

it is alchemical law that every solution to this product be as symmetric as possible

[cinder karma]

These are very satisfying to look at

[thin estuary]

@cinder karma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kb22BkCbpik

||i'm not sorry||

[cinder karma]

God that's pretty

[uncut seal]

that's very impressive

[devout vault]

https://github.com/erodola/bigram-metacpp

[cinder karma]

Code is fun when it is 50% boilerplate and 50% preprocessor macro

[devout vault]

C# doesn't have macros 😔

[uncut seal]

I love C++ and I'm not even at a level good enough to use macro

it's saying how good C++ is

[devout vault]

I mean, the basics of macros aren't that advanced

I'm pretty I've even done just stuff like #define f(x) (f2(x) + f3(x, 5))

[uncut seal]

I mean, I have not got into a situation where it was the obvious solution (I'm not used to using them + I don't code enough C++)

[worn remnant]

i've been known to macro in C from time to time

[crystal wren]

<Insert my usual rant about loving C/C++ but hating all of the build systems I've tried>

[worn remnant]

i am a make apologist. is make weird and flawed? yes. but is every other build system worse/more opaque/overkill? also yes

[cinder karma]

You've infected me, ichor

It's terminal

Too late

Makefiles are everything

[worn remnant]

see this, everyone? turn back now, lest you all suffer as we have

[crystal wren]

I would genuinely rather write a makefile than use CMake for a lot of cases I think, yeah.

[devout vault]

It's never the right solution, but sometimes the only sane one available

[devout vault]

Me and a friend of mine have this conversation regularly

[cinder karma]

I have python scripts parsing makefiles now

[crystal wren]

I think we've had this conversation a couple of times even.

[devout vault]

See, I'm the opposite. And I hate cmake every time I need to do something complex with it

[cinder karma]

I'm gonna be like the opposite...I actually hate macros lol

Every time I'm like I miss rust 🙁

[uncut seal]

the only issue I have with makefiles is that when I learned C++, whatever tutorial I was following dumped a makefile with no explanation, so I didn't even fully understand what a gcc build command was for a while

[worn remnant]

this is it right here. writing makefiles isn't even that hard! i remember being taught (in college) that it was bad and difficult, and i assume everyone is still taught that, but actually it's fine

[uncut seal]

but now I like makefiles, even if I don't know/remember how to make them

[cinder karma]

God if you fuck up a verilog macro gl have fun debugging that shit

[devout vault]

I can't easily build Dolphin (the emulator, you linux nerds) as a submodule because their files use the wrong project root variable. So I had to make part of the cmake script edit their cmake scripts before running their cmake scripts

[cinder karma]

The error messages are horrifically bad

[devout vault]

It's not!

But if you want to support multiple compilers it is... less than ideal

[devout vault]

I mean, I would much prefer proper language constructs for what I'm doing almost every time. It's just usually it's not possible without macros, or not without tons of boilerplate

The C++ reflection stuff should help with some cases

But then you have to deal with the C++ reflection stuff

[uncut seal]

I hate cmake because everytime I had to build something with it, the readme said "just use this command and Cmake will do everything with no issue!" and it didn't build, and it had a 50 lines unreadable cmake that I could in no way debug. Also if I understand correctly, Cmake writes makefiles that will run commands to build C++, so that sounds stupid as fuck?

[cinder karma]

I really need to learn user defined $functions i think

[devout vault]

I used makefiles for all my college assignments that had more than one file. IT's great for simple stuff

[cinder karma]

It actually might be what I'm trying to do 99% of the time

[devout vault]

I mean, it's build system agnostic, so it does makefiles but also other stuff.

I think CLion uses ninja by default?

Another factor is CMake keeps changing and most of the stuff you find online is about old ways to do things

The example I'm thinking of where I would much prefer CMake over makefiles was the game project that never went anywhere which could compile for:

• windows (and probably other PC platforms eventually)
• homebrew wii
• homebrew 3ds
• web (via emscripten)

[worn remnant]

that's the other nice thing about make. it's old and crusty and no one wants to improve it so it's still just like it was when you (i) learned it

[devout vault]

That's fair

But I had to do very little actual compiler specific stuff for this project

Mainly because the toolchain .cmake files already exist, but still

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[crystal wren]

And you could whip up a makefile to do non-programming things a bit easier than it would be to write a script for it, depending on the task.

[uncut seal]

I think I had this experience with Aseprite, and it was a Cmake writing multiple makefiles, each containing multiple hundred lines, and failing to build somewhere in there, so I noped out

[cinder karma]

Looking forward to whatever game out of 9999007482 ideas you release first, casey

[cinder karma]

Trust me when you're in python parsing makefiles you took a wrong turn in life

[devout vault]

Yeah, I can't wait to see which (if any) ever reach the finish line 😛

[cinder karma]

Is me

[worn remnant]

aseprite comes with a build.sh now which is supposed to do the shit automatically and friends, it is such a step backward it sucks sucks sucks

[cinder karma]

I took the wrong turn in life

[cinder karma]

I believe

[uncut seal]

I think the only C++ thing I managed to build from source is Godot

(I love Godot)

[devout vault]

Yeah, and it uses yet another build system!

(scons)

[uncut seal]

yup, but I didn't have to debug it to build, so it's ok in my book

[worn remnant]

xkcd standards, etc.

i thought that one actually called out build systems specifically but i just looked it up and it does not

[safe dragon]

I think we need more build systems

[uncut seal]

on it boss

[cinder karma]

Make cargo work for c++

(I kiddddd)

[crystal wren]

https://github.com/cabinpkg/cabin

[safe dragon]

cargo run c++

damn

good work glad we're getting even more build systems

[cinder karma]

Sexy

If i ever write normal c++ I'll remember that

[robust quarry]

i wish there was a mod making off-topic channel for us mod makers who are too dumb for most code-

[devout vault]

me when I'm not happy with any of the minecraft builder utility mods

[cinder karma]

What's Minecraft

[devout vault]

Something the children yearn for

[safe dragon]

What's Tetris

[devout vault]

Something the children see in their sleep

[cinder karma]

Soviet game

[safe dragon]

tetris is strongly associated with a vocaloid song in my brain now

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/hWTFG3J1CP8?si=V5bDxtsWXyoJ__xC

[safe dragon]

🙏

[safe dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Soy4jGPHr3g

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6947 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1459254291456983144)

[safe dragon]

or if you prefer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YSw6N3QmkY

which is a remix between what I linked and what you linked

[cinder karma]

Dear lord

Also the video I linked is 15 yrs

So

Ahhhhhhdjvejiehf

[safe dragon]

old enough for discord

[devout vault]

re:the lyrics
is this what my brain going on tangents of tangents of tangents would look like from the outside

also I don't like how much I relate to some of said lyrics

[safe dragon]

made the mistake of paying attention to the lyrics of a vocaloid song

[cinder karma]

The soviet one or the vocaloid?

[devout vault]

The one I replied to

I did not even open the soviet history one

Why learn history when I'm clearly getting to re-live it in realtime already

[safe dragon]

I'm surprised atra did not ask what vocaloid is I was mentally prepared

[cinder karma]

Oh no the mask is slipping

[safe dragon]

though vocaloid is over 20 years old to be fair

[cinder karma]

What's a vocaloid

[safe dragon]

ah you see... a voice synthesis program

[worn remnant]

oh i looked up a favorite video the other day and saw the "17 years ago" and i was shook

[safe dragon]

suddenly my whole youtube recommended feed is vocaloid and mostly kasane teto

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/NocXEwsJGOQ?si=iQrn52maFQNSmt2R

[safe dragon]

that's a classic

well

not a classic classic

but a classic

[cinder karma]

I'm only a recent kpop fan okay

Smh

Barely poked the surface too

[safe dragon]

are you calling vocaloid kpop

[cinder karma]

No

[safe dragon]

oh I see

[fleet wren]

oh shit is it shilling vocaloid song hours
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KjIzJZGrz1c

[safe dragon]

always

damn one I don't know

feels melancholic

[devout vault]

holy tonal whiplash, batman

[safe dragon]

lmao

what about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdQ1Gy4xy5s

[devout vault]

I see the angry godot (why angy) in there too

[safe dragon]

kasane teto shilling for an East German political party's youth wing

[red crest]

the only vocaloid songs I know are echo, party x party, and that anamanaguchi Miku one. im a fake vocaloider 😔

[safe dragon]

there were quite a lot of vocaloid songs that got over 100M views this year

[devout vault]

no video game music, why would I watch this

[safe dragon]

soz

well

it's probably in a rhythm game somewhere

but not project sekai

I wonder what the most popular vocaloid song of 2025 was

right

[devout vault]

Anyways I'm sure my recommendations are going to be all vocaloid stuff for a while now, too

[safe dragon]

good

[safe dragon]

Should've known it was a DECO*27 song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c56TpxfO9q0

[fleet wren]

meanwhile my current favorite vocaloid song is one with 20k spotify streams that got delisted seemingly because the indie label they signed with went under

[safe dragon]

damn

indie vocaloid enjoyer

here I am sharing probably the most mainstream vocaloid artist that exists

smh

[devout vault]

Surprisingly, things that get mainstream popular are usually popular for a reason

[safe dragon]

they make good stuff really

as long as you're into the busier high bpm style

there's been like 5 vocaloid mcdonalds collabs this year

probably more honestly

[cinder karma]

Ngl the lack of case insensitive dictionary in python

[cinder karma]

There js a copilot button on outlook

(It doesn't work)

[devout vault]

(Do any of them)

[terse galleon]

returning to my assignment problem woes, i'm unable to find an online calculator that still works that can handle a 24x24 matrix. does anyone know of one, or could point me in the direction of coding one? i know python and a bit of java and a smidgen of C# but i'm pretty out of practice with all of them. attached is the data i entered into the online calculator before it exploded

[sand frost]

I usually use Python for this kind of thing

You can possibly get wolfram alpha to do it if you use its format

{{1,2},{3,4}} iirc

So they input every row individually

[pliant snow]

Yeah, I would suggest Python or just rigging it up in Excel

[cinder karma]

Appppparently you can make windows 10 case sensitive for filepaths

Alllllsssoooooo I have implementation once again filling in environment variables in strings

Again

[fleet wren]

this sounds like an explosion waiting to happen

[prisma flume]

that must be the AI boom ive heard so much about

[devout vault]

This would be great if I could actually trust the programs I have installed - including the ones part of windows itself - the behave properly with it enabled

[steel kraken]

Rather than Vocaloid my music is pretty much entirely hololive
https://youtu.be/vqKY5q4z-DY

[safe dragon]

I was setting up some old games for my little niece and it's the first time I've ever seen an uppercase file extension .EXE

[thin estuary]

Is the filename before extension 8 chars or less

And possibly also full caps

[safe dragon]

it was yeah

completely illegible file name

[thin estuary]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.3_filename

[safe dragon]

it wasn't that old...

wait

no it is

neat

(it was the dutch version of Reader Rabbit)

[steel kraken]

From memory need for speed most wanted (2005) was 8.3 filenames

[cinder karma]

A man in denial about his own mortality

[cinder karma]

Status: launching many subprocesses again

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6956 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1459257756593819946)

[devout vault]

Crumble, Tetoris is stuck in my head now.

It helps that I don’t understand Japanese (?), but it’s been replaced by the spinning graphic of the character instead

Anyways, what I’m saying is: I blame you

[steel kraken]

I take no responsibility

[prisma flume]

it'll be leekspin next

[dusty pollen]

someone get the politicians away from the algorithms please. what is this slander (NONE of these are accurate ranked choice/runoff, which has problems for sure but none of them are that “computers are magic” 😭)

[safe dragon]

undercuts our right to choose our leader...

that's such an American-coded way of phrasing it

this guy seems to be an electrical engineer tho not a politician

Zeidman, Bob (2000). Introduction to Verilog (1st ed.). ISBN 0970227639.

can't be trusted

[dusty pollen]

@ atra what do you have to say for your profession

[steel kraken]

first past the post doesn't let you choose your leader anyway because spoiler effect and other factors mean the true leader you might actually agree with never ended up on the ballet to begin with to not spoil the racce

that being said I do have ranked choice voting and vote for one of the major 2 parties because I don't trust the minor parties to actually negotiate and compromise to actually get stuff done and just do purity tests for social media clout

[safe dragon]

🩰 💃

(I know you meant ballot)

it's just a funny mental image for all the candidates to have to participate in a ballet performance

It'd probably make the average candidate a fair bit younger

[cinder karma]

Unfortunately there are dumb people everywhere

And/or the industry kinda depends wayyy too heavily on defense for money smth

[dusty pollen]

turns out they both have the same issue with something called a “center squeeze” which encourages political extremes over moderation, I’m just confused about how this person provided four different explanations of ranked choice/runoff voting and got none of them correct

(the usual ranked choice algorithm is: count all the first choice votes. if nobody has a majority, eliminate the lowest ranked candidate. repeat counting each person’s top non-eliminated vote and eliminating the lowest candidate until either someone has an absolute majority or there’s only one candidate left)

[cinder karma]

Yeah. I'm not sure there is disagreement on what ranked choice is

There is disagreement on whether or not it's the "best" one

(Still better than fptp)

Also, the whole thing about votes being counted incorrectly is a right wing fever dream

[safe dragon]

being better than fptp is like being a car being faster than a mobility scooter

almost speaks for itself

[prisma flume]

i'll always vote the independents if only because i look at uk and usa with their virtual political duopoly and know that if i'm living somewhere that lets me see another colour than red or blue then i'm going to exercise that privilege

at least in our local election the independents won the last one (or the one before)

[safe dragon]

we don't vote for people really, we vote for parties so that's not an option

but we have quite a few of em

[prisma flume]

we do both; you can vote for the party or the person in a given election

but here independents are usually parties with people

like i'm not voting for Mr. Shrumble from the Pacifists And Anarchists Party, i'm just voting for the party, but i have the option to do so provided i only vote for people for each given party

[safe dragon]

technically we vote for a person cause voting ballot makes you check one of the people in the party, not the party itself, but almost no one has any fuckin idea who those people are so it's not very effective if that was the goal

have you seen dutch voting ballots

[prisma flume]

i'm not sure if there's such a thing as a perfect electoral system but australia has it pretty good

[safe dragon]

they're gigantic

[prisma flume]

ours get quite long haha

they sort of curl up and around the whole voting booth and you just slide it back and forth as you go

[safe dragon]

this is ours

[cinder karma]

In a way I'm not happy with the extreme-fixation of pols because you get the absolutely craziest people running

[prisma flume]

and that's just the brief stembiljet...

[safe dragon]

last election I did definitely wish we had ranked voting

basically every election I feel kinda forced to vote for one of the two "big" parties that are kinda what I want because voting for the smol ones does practically nothing

[prisma flume]

and so the world turns, as ten million individuals say 'but my action has no effect'

[cinder karma]

I wish we could vote more often for policy directly

But

You know

I live in the state of the nine million constitutional amendments and 75% of them are posturing

[safe dragon]

that's kinda the thing. Our last election came down to a few votes for which party would be the biggest and if that was your second choice but you decided to vote for a small party instead... A different party might have won that you dislike drastically more than the other contender

the stupid "smart voting" dilemma

[prisma flume]

mm, plenty of countries are in the same vice

[safe dragon]

yup

ranked voting would improve on that

cause you could still give them your "second choice"

[cinder karma]

Anyways none of this matters when neither party has a spine

[safe dragon]

😌

[prisma flume]

ranked/runoff voting is good for that. i can vote for my preferred independents with a clear conscience since i'm still pegging the mainstream parties in the order of how much i respect them

[safe dragon]

I'd comment more on that but we're already near the edge of what is suitable for this server

[prisma flume]

and, in plenty of cases, the independents as well

you right. this is programming chat

[safe dragon]

runoff voting would be incompatible with how the rest of our system works

[prisma flume]

not that i have any programming on the mind at midnight after a 40c+ day

[safe dragon]

but yeah

it's -1C today

[cinder karma]

Go touch grass

[safe dragon]

if we mix that using very naive and not remotely scientifically accurate ways that's likes 20C for the both of us!

[cinder karma]

That's exactly how political compromise works

[prisma flume]

today's been unhinged. 30c at 8am, 30c at 8pm, 40c inbetween, then rapidly to 20 at 10~12pm

[cinder karma]

We get something you hate, you get something I hate

10pm running weather!

[prisma flume]

what do you mean joy emoji

where is the joy in this hellish filth weather

but the 10pm walk was bliss

[rain apex]

I didn't realize blueberry is southern hemisphere

[cinder karma]

Bluebs plz show me a spider

[prisma flume]

https://github.com/b-b-blueberry/DesertBus/blob/master/DesertBus/DesertBus.cs#L1354-L1357

[cinder karma]

Do you not have air conditioning

[prisma flume]

nope ☀️ it's common, but not ubiquitous

[cinder karma]

Oh I'm so sorry

That must be like living in an oven

[modest steppe]

and then the oven cools instantly and becomes a fridge

[prisma flume]

crumble in fridge. blueberry in oven. upside down? world gone mad

[modest steppe]

[cinder karma]

For the love of cooking

[rain apex]

anyone have fun ideas for how to do shallowcopy in C#

i was just gonna reflection memberwisecopy

[devout vault]

“Can’t agree on the ‘correct’ algorithm”

Something something perfect is the enemy of good

[frosty echo]

And when any of the options is much better than the status quo...

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6957 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1459544715266490550)

[uncut seal]

not my best creation, but it's good enough

[devout vault]

There are many emoji I use in spite of their name, not because of the name.

(re:that quote)

Does anybody really think I stick my tongue out with 😛 , or make my head actually upside down with 🙃 , or make my eyes vibrate intensely with

[safe dragon]

Hey method 4 is objectively worse than what you've got

"The computer just picks a random person and just uses their vote"

[rain apex]

Yes

When i use 🫠 i am in fact melting irl

[long verge]

Yes

check this out

[devout vault]

😔

(^ I am not, in fact, pensive )

[long verge]

(pretend i can do it)

[rain apex]

Nice trick

[devout vault]

I also am not being thanos snapped after <re-enacting The Incident> when I post

[long verge]

Does that implies you're Gus ?

[devout vault]

Well, that isn't gus, that's nukebox

But once again

[crystal wren]

@cinder karma Here, enjoy the first 1 minute and 15 seconds of this: https://youtu.be/ENFxBLoQjIM

[devout vault]

wow that's horrifying

[cinder karma]

Yes! ||jk||

You're a cat after all

Clearly

It would be funny to get you your own set of cat emoji

[modest steppe]

kitty

[cinder karma]

Tbh casey in my head I imagine you as Kirby (the cat you had as your avatar for ages)

In the same way I think of Elizabeth as her flowers

[safe dragon]

am I an owl inside a strawberry shortcake

[devout vault]

That's still my main discord avatar. (Or, the art version with space helmet is)

And the cat in current one is also based on same cat

[robust quarry]

oh the one in your banner? they're so cuteeee

[cinder karma]

Yeah, the one in her banner

Adorable kitty!!

[cinder karma]

No

[cinder karma]

To be honest I have no clue what your avatar was supposed to be so I ignored it

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/JcTnzSrXZdM?si=D6t1VG_kz9pgpvJt

[uncut seal]

Oh god, I just found the Opus Magnum level I was talking about last time:

Solution titled "I won't touch that ever again"

[fleet wren]

lol nice storage system

wanna share mine as well:

[uncut seal]

oh that's clean af, nice

[uncut seal]

My beautiful child

[cinder karma]

Petition to rename the channel

Tbh those are incredibly satisfying looking puzzles

[modest steppe]

rename it to what

opus-magnum-topic

[dusty pollen]

why I don't tend to use tracks

ah thank you discord, I didn't want these animated

there we go

(yes it's a skill issue)

bonus: one product per one loop

[lethal walrus]

whats-

oh thats why

[dusty pollen]

(the reason is the cost and area breakdown at the bottom)

[safe dragon]

very fitting new name

[dusty pollen]

do you guys prefer v1 or v2 of sigmar's garden?

[uncut seal]

even though I played a shit ton of both, I don't remember the rules nor the difference

[safe dragon]

I have no idea what that is

I assume it's a zachtronics game

[cinder karma]

I have no idea either

@safe dragon my friend says that the Dutch are less tolerant of cold than Americans

Plz defend yourself

[safe dragon]

are we talking about someone in detroit or in miami

[cinder karma]

Baltimore

[sand frost]

Surely it depends on the American

I guess Baltimore is sort of middle

[cinder karma]

You might know this American, Elizabeth

[safe dragon]

baltimore probably gets colder than it does here

[sand frost]

I don’t think it snows that hard there though?

[safe dragon]

wouldn't surprise me

[sand frost]

Apparently Amsterdam airport can’t handle snow, though

[safe dragon]

yeah we go most years without snow

so now panic

[cinder karma]

Poor Elizabeth

[safe dragon]

I am not well versed enough in the average cold tolerance of americans in specific regions of the country to make a rebuttal

[sand frost]

That wasn’t my issue!

Mine was Athens airspace

They just both happened at once

I’m so sick of planes ngl

[safe dragon]

considering we still went on a lunch walk at -1C last week I don't think we're too bad at handling cold

but idk baltimore

I had to look up where it even was

[sand frost]

-1C is a beautiful nice day in winter where I live

[safe dragon]

obviously our homes are built to keep in as much heat as possible

so that's not really an issue

snow tho

we knew how to deal with that when I was a kid but not anymore I guess

snow became too rare

[crystal wren]

Yeah, snow is super rare and light for me when it happens nowadays.

We did have an amount this year, though!

[safe dragon]

us too 🙏

practically shut down half the country

should be fine again now tho

[cinder karma]

DH!

How are you

Your country ran out of road salt!!!!

[crystal wren]

...I was not aware of this.

[crystal wren]

And I'm okay! I've just been catching up with things.

[cinder karma]

Not yours

Crumbles

[devout vault]

(be back in like 30 minutes)

[cinder karma]

How goes school!

[crystal wren]

Still in Scratch land.

[cinder karma]

Awwww

I saw the explosions!!!!

Crumble do the Dutch still do pensions

[dusty pollen]

v2 has quintessence

[dusty pollen]

tl;dr the commit exists but it was 11 months ago and it still says they don't sell your personal data in other places in the same faq so who knows

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-subprocessor-list

[devout vault]

I may have misread this at first

TIL that firefox has less market share than Edge

I knew they didn't have as much as they used to, but didn't realize it had gotten that low

[cinder karma]

Isn't it like 95% chrome

[devout vault]

~70% chrome, ~15% safari, ~5% edge, ~2% firefox

According to https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share , anyways

[cinder karma]

What did you read this as

[devout vault]

I plead the fifth

[crystal wren]

Pancakes, clearly.

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6964 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1459969407630577674)

[cinder karma]

Code criminal pleads the 5th i see

[devout vault]

Not about the code crimes though

I'll openly boast about those

[cinder karma]

Of course

Always

How does the 3rd dimension go

[devout vault]

Need to work on it some more

[cinder karma]

How goes the 4th dimension?

[devout vault]

I can't perceive it well enough to tell

[devout vault]

Classic manager move, not doing absolutely anything

seriously though what's going on

Restarting it fixed it, but it was weird

[prisma flume]

ive moaned a lot about win11 in here already but the task manager is just shocking. how is it so slow

every day i wish for xp style taskmgr again

[crystal wren]

My main complaint with 11 is the file manager, and save/load dialogs.

[cinder karma]

Switch to arch you cowards

[crystal wren]

Which is why I mainly use Arch!

[cinder karma]

I still haven't made the switch because lazy

[devout vault]

I tried and it said "no work allowed for you"

[cinder karma]

Lazy and tired and never home

[devout vault]

And at least for now, it's less than ideal for VR gaming

(Atlas probably knows more detail on that front)

[cinder karma]

Casey VR game when

It's okay though

I'm never gonna play a VR game

[devout vault]

Maybe it'll be better when the steam frame gains traction

[devout vault]

I was talking about why I'm not a coward for it 😛

[devout vault]

.8ball when will casey's adhd be under control

[heavy dagger]

Yes...but only for the next FIVE MINUTES

[devout vault]

gasp

brb making goty for 2026 in the next 4-5 minutes

[cinder karma]

I'll go vote for it!

[fleet wren]

~~after half an hour spent on this I decided that I don't love the game enough to do this ~~

like the hex salt is fine because each loop's not that complex

[prisma flume]

the fact that explorer doesn't sort newly-added/edited files after saving and just sticks them at the bottom of the view until you press ctrl+R is going to take days off my life

[devout vault]

Ctrl+R works there?

I usually do right click -> refresh

[prisma flume]

sure, you can also do ctrl+shift+n to make a new folder in-place since maybe windows 10

[devout vault]

Oh I use ctrl shift n

and f2 for rename

[prisma flume]

but do you use f4 for the address bar (not very useful)

alt+up for up is nice sometimes

[devout vault]

I will now, because sometimes I miss click trying to select the file path and end up going up a folder or something

I will also use that

(I am pretending I will remember any of those in >5 minutes)

[prisma flume]

yeah windows' edge-of-the-button behaviours are annoying more than they are useful

vs2019 debug button.....

[devout vault]

Something people here might enjoy reading
https://www.npopov.com/2026/01/11/LLVM-The-bad-parts.html

[cinder karma]

do you recommend the game

[fleet wren]

the only game I play that I would recommend to you specifically is Wordle

[steel kraken]

I can only do wordle if I also have a word calculator going on the side (using the full word list and not the answer subset)

was fun doing it in devtools console as it was decent practice for doing data manipulation, but the last time I took wordle seriously predated NYTimes buying it

[cinder karma]

Smh

[safe dragon]

I've done my open-source duty and reported a bug for svelte

time to see if I get insulted and they tell me I'm a dumbass and it's actually working as intended

[devout vault]

Feeling the sudden urge to do this

[safe dragon]

lmao

[worn remnant]

(TeX's actual versioning scheme)

[safe dragon]

damn that dude is still alive?

he caused me much pain in uni

[cinder karma]

I didnt get my tex tangent

[safe dragon]

that's been brewing for nearly 2 years

[devout vault]

You, specifically and very personally

[safe dragon]

yup

[devout vault]

Is TeX roughly equal to LaTeX? (practically speaking, I assume it’s actually a subset/superset situation)

I have never used any of them

[safe dragon]

much like Vi vs Vim I just replace the former with the latter in my head

[pliant snow]

iirc LaTeX is a layer on top of TeX that does a lot of the really tedious page formatting stuff for you

[safe dragon]

I can't imagine how tedious TeX must be if LaTeX is an improvement

[pliant snow]

I think instead of just saying "this is a heading" or "this is a section" you had to define what a heading was, what font size, type, color, margins, everything

[safe dragon]

oh

[devout vault]

So if web pages were just xml, and you had to use CSS to define what every element actually meant?

That does sound painful

[safe dragon]

meanwhile web dev: resets all the browser default styling because they were chosen during the dark ages

[cinder karma]

Ichor my tex tangent plz

[devout vault]

And inconsistent between browsers!

[safe dragon]

extra fun

[devout vault]

That's basically what bootstrap is right? At least the most minimal/original version of it?

[cinder karma]

Ichor if not tex tangent plz should I use whole wheat flour to feed my starter

[devout vault]

Ichor, the atras yearn for the tangents

[cinder karma]

When am I on topic I've stopped modding entirely

[cinder karma]

I'm sorry I can stop :p

[devout vault]

no

I just wanted to make the meme

it's less funny if you stop

[safe dragon]

I think bootstrap does come with a css reset but it does a lot more

defines a billion classes and still never has what I need

tailwind does cause it has the benefit of generating the necessary classes at build time

but I prefer regular ol css (with a css reset section)

[devout vault]

Web dev having build time stuff still feels weird to me

Brought to you by the person who would edit their website's HTML, CSS, PHP, JS, and MySQL (via phpmyadmin) live

To be fair this was over 10 years ago

[safe dragon]

it has a lot of benefits

[worn remnant]

i feed mine 25% whole wheat, so sure?

[devout vault]

...suddenly having the urge to do this again, but I did it just 5 days ago

[devout vault]

awww no tangent?

[worn remnant]

my TeX tangent is already scattered through chat history on here but i'll sum up real quick

[devout vault]

yayyyyy tangent

[worn remnant]

TeX is great but also cursed. i think you have to be donald knuth to fully enjoy it

most of the problem is that it behaves in inscrutable ways and making changes to almost anything requires you to have intimate knowledge of what is going on down there in the bowels where humans dare not tread

like you can redefine stuff but you will get Cursed Output unless you deeply understand what you are doing. it's hard to use

[cinder karma]

I'm in the realm where the question of "does this starter get enough vitamins?" is a real thought in my empty little head.

[devout vault]

This and the previous message just sounds like every still-used large software that's been around for way too long

Like windows

[worn remnant]

fair!

[devout vault]

Not even software strictly speaking. Another fun example being C++

We need government mandated software full rewrites every 8-10 years /s

(plz ignore upcoming anniversary of the game this server is for, the modders would kill us if we did that)

[worn remnant]

i also just think TeX's syntax is ugly, but that's not the same type of wtf as trying to accomplish things with it

[cinder karma]

Tbh I think it's fineeeee

Syntax wise

The jank tables otoh.....

[opal mortar]

I'm the lead developer of a billing portal for a f50 company, my app handles billions of dollars per year flowing through it

We had a production patch this past weekend that introduced a lot of changes for EU customers, except in order for the changes to apply you need to use incognito or clear your cookies/cache. Management is complaining about this now and i've been saying for years how the app is too reliant on cookies and needs better architecture, but thats not up to me and everytime i've asked before now its been an insta reject 🥲

[safe dragon]

can't hear u I'm adding more cookies

work around the cookie size limit by having cookie_part7

[devout vault]

more. cookies. required.

https://itch.io/jam/cookie-jam-2

Cookies might be favorite form of desert

[fleet wren]

i prefer localStorage, it has less sugar and more fiber

[opal mortar]

This is honestly not far off from how its written tbh

[safe dragon]

I've had plenty experiences with the cache getting in the way cause of files not being fingerpinted right or whatever else but I've never had the existence of specific cookies affect the functioning of a feature

though to be fair I've only worked on business software that's sold to clients. We didn't have any tracking cookies or anything of that nature. Really the only thing the cache was for was for authentication and whatever horrendous shit ASP.NET Web Forms needed to put there to function

[opal mortar]

All our user accounts have a "policy grid" that enables/disables/configures certain parts of the app depending on region, account type, etc, which is cached in the users browser until they manually log out (which ive been fighting against for this exact reason). New feature is checking for a specific policy in the cache that didnt exist beforehand and now its defaulting to false and the only solution is to tell customers to log out and back in, or effectively do the same thing by asking them to use a diff browser or clear their session storage

Tldr business people should not be making architectural decisions

[safe dragon]

😌

[opal mortar]

I feel like im living the opening sequence to stardew lol

[safe dragon]

at my old job we had the owner the of the company constantly tell use how to implement features because he had some strange belief he knew the right technical solutions to problems even though he'd never held a programming position in his life

some nasty shit was birthed out of that

eventually he started backing off because he sold like 80% of the business to some holdings company

he didn't really seem to care anymore, which was nice for us

that was the only thing that was nice about the holdings company's takeover

[devout vault]

That's when make a facade over the real implementation

If he doesn't know how to code, how's he gonna tell otherwise

[safe dragon]

we absolutely just lied to him sometimes

as you always do at a healthy work environment

[marble jewel]

Similar story - there was an SVP at my company who clearly had no hands-on coding experience, but caught wind of "GraphQL" being an amazing thing and insisted that everything else needed to implement/use it

[devout vault]

glances at the new nexus API

[marble jewel]

I mean I think GraphQL is great and all, but she couldn't really explain why it was the right choice for everything, just that it was better

Meanwhile, I think she ultimately ended up getting let go because multiple security breaches happened under her leadership