programmers-off-topic

[uncut seal]

nope, no trash, fuck that

yeah, ok, there's only this level, but still, the last levels from the journal are messed up

I somehow never finished a single Zacktronics game, I might go back to complete all of them in order some day.

[pliant snow]

I think exapunks is the only one I've finished

[uncut seal]

it's one of two that I haven't played yet lmao

do you differentiate between finishing and completing these games? Cuz most of them have "optional" puzzles near the end that are messed up

[pliant snow]

I think for Exapunks I just did all of the main story puzzles, I forget

I played a bit of TIS-100 as well, but never finished it, maybe I should try Opus

[safe dragon]

the only game of theirs that I've played is infinifactory

I reached some point eventually where things became very complicated to visualize in my head and I stopped

I also played the demo of that new one with the new studio

but that demo was laughably easy

[pliant snow]

I did play a fuckton of their solitaire collection

[cinder karma]

New year, new insurance, new....everything

Pls kill me now whyyyyy do i have to do so much logistics everyyyyy year

[devout vault]

I like how you’re using “messed up” not to mean “broken” but “nobody in their right mind would design this level, what was wrong with them”

[uncut seal]

I say "jank" when I mean "broken"

but yeah, that's the spirit

[devout vault]

Well, in that context most people would use “messed up” = bugged, not “messed up” = “something is psychologically wrong with them”

[uncut seal]

I see

[safe dragon]

I only ever use "messed up" to mean the latter

[uncut seal]

I've tried to do some puzzle design in my spare time, but designing automation puzzles always seems like black magic to me

[devout vault]

To be clear I’m not being word police, I’m just highly amused

[uncut seal]

especilay late game Zacktronics stuff

[devout vault]

I’ve never seen anyone use it that way not in relation to a person or something specific that happened.

[uncut seal]

I mean, I could see myself saying a game is messed up as in "broken", but only by saying that the code is messed up

[cinder karma]

Who decided we couldn't fund a 401k by directly writing a check smh

[safe dragon]

it's either "they messed up" as a verb in which cause they did something wrong. Or "it's messed up" in which case they did something fucked up

for me

except more comedic in nature than fucked up

[devout vault]

Yeah puzzle design is something that vaguely scares me. I assume it's the sort of thing where you work backwards from the goal and add obstacles/red herrings on the way, but still seems super hard

[safe dragon]

I watched someone make a puzzle game in a game dev server and they were generating those funky solution graphs

to visualize the possible states the puzzle can be in

[devout vault]

Sounds scary

[safe dragon]

which is one way to determine how difficult a puzzle might be

[devout vault]

I just assume that even if you know what you're doing it's time consuming, given how much advice I've seen in the past saying "don't make a puzzle game for a weekend game jam"

[safe dragon]

I tried to design puzzles once

[devout vault]

Keyword "once"? 😛

[safe dragon]

yes

it was really difficult to make puzzles that weren't ridiculously easy

the only ones I made that weren't easy were generally more confusing than difficult

[cinder karma]

O.o

Math sensed

[devout vault]

but you aren't a math person now

You're a resolution

[safe dragon]

o

[fleet wren]

Opus Magnum is the only Zachtronics game I fully 100% (meaning also completing the optional puzzles)

[uncut seal]

damn, good job!

[fleet wren]

technically I did 100% SpaceChem before the DLC came out (didn't try it)

but yeah that puzzle you linked is kinda evil lol

let me boot up my game and see how I did it

oh, that's how I did it...

I'm getting my alchemy license revoked

[uncut seal]

yeah, that was one of my ideas too, but I don't wanna do that

[fleet wren]

maybe I'll come back and design a "proper" solution one of these days

[uncut seal]

I have a vague memory of an unbalanced level I solved years ago where I made one loop go over multiple cycles while storing stuff, and a final iteration using the stored elements

and I don't want to do that again

I want to find a way to have one loop per cycle, but I can't think of a good way to tap into a "storage" instead of the input elements

[cinder karma]

Is it safe, having so much excess oxygen....

[robust quarry]

hellooo how in the fuck does one make something like a folder in github?

[fleet wren]

Git(Hub) does not track folders, only files, so you need a file in that new folder

[robust quarry]

okay uhh, is there a way to add like sub-files or something?

[fleet wren]

you can put the folder name in the file name when creating a new file

[robust quarry]

oh, uhhh how might i do that? wanna translate my mod file into a github repo

OHH okay, so just like naming the path to it

ty!

goddammit github is hard-

yayyy i did it!

[long verge]

I usually just add a .gitkeep file

[robust quarry]

i totally know what that means

[long verge]

Create a file named .gitkeep
git add folder/.gitkeep
git commit
Done

[sand frost]

(usually i make such files using like, some basic text editor, since they literally just need to exist, then rename them to things like .gitkeep or .gitignore etc etc via file explorer/Finder)

[long verge]

Just use touch bro

[sand frost]

dunno what that is lol

and not a bro

i use git from the command line, if you're trying to suggest a GUI?

[long verge]

Unix command to create a file

[sand frost]

ahhh interesting

[safe dragon]

touch is handy

sometimes I want to use it on powershell but I just have no idea what the equivalent would even be

[cinder karma]

Really? All I ever use it for is touch __init__.py

[safe dragon]

actually I've kinda stopped using it

maybe very dumb but I only recently realized there's an :open command in helix to open a file via a command and that works even if the file does not exist yet and you can just save after

I've always used vim/neovim with file tree extensions to do file operations by so I've never actually used the built in commands for that stuff

I think it's like... :e or something in vim?

idk I've never used it

I think I tried :Ex one time and had no idea how to make a file

[devout vault]

Can't touch also update the last modified date of an existing file

Or am I misremembering

[regal ingot]

pretty sure that was the original purpose of touch and creating a file if it doesn't already exist is a side effect

[safe dragon]

that'd explain the name

can't say I've ever cared about the last modified dates of files to that degree

[regal ingot]

I hardly ever care... but make cares a lot.

[safe dragon]

oh I thankfully wouldn't know

all I've ever done with makefiles is run them

and even that's rare

(ignoring it happening behind the scene when I update packages)

[regal ingot]

mostly it just works if the Makefile is written correctly, but if something weird has happened and a source file has an older timestamp than the object file even though the object file is stale then it's nice to have a quick way to update the timestamp.

I think this used to be more of an issue in ye olden days when a network filesystem's clock might not be syncronized as well as they are now.

[thin estuary]

recently i've used touch to make macOS clear whatever it cached about an .app bundle, as just editing the Info.plist is not enough for it to realize

[safe dragon]

caches are evil

npm lying to me telling the cache is self healing and that npm cache clean is not necessary

[cinder karma]

Ah perfectly normal unit pricing on lights

[safe dragon]

hi I'd like 3 ounces of light

[fleet wren]

according to mass-energy equivalence that's 7.63941902 × 10^15 J of light

quite a substantial amount

[prisma flume]

ew. amazon. yuck yuck yuck yuck yuck

incredibly pihole does work when set as the dns for my own pc, but i don't know if i have the strength to try and set it as the lan dns

[dusty pollen]

do you run it on an actual raspi

[prisma flume]

yep, i picked up a spare raspi 3

also got a windows xp mini-pc with a stellar 1.6ghz cpu and 2gb ram, a fine relic

[dusty pollen]

I wish my raspi 1 was capable of such things but its networking solution is a teeny usb wifi dongle

[prisma flume]

maybe it'll be a barely-functional tv pc so i don't have to endure my barely-functional tv with its barely-functional netflix and youtube

[cinder karma]

(Usually I dont buy from Amazon but for long tail shit like "the headlights for my car" I have few other options)

[prisma flume]

altho if pihole can wipe the ads off tv youtube that's half the misery gone

[dusty pollen]

youtube is miserable for adblocking of any kind iirc

[prisma flume]

mmm it'd be nice to offload the adblocking on the mini-pc tho if it does work since it's pretty weedy

it's one of those funny eee boxes

[pliant snow]

I don't think it will

[prisma flume]

i've never really tried running a modern OS on crusty hardware before so i'm not sure if it's capable of running a lightweight linux desktop since apparently mint only comes in 64bit these days

mmm, i don't have a great deal of confidence but it's free* so why not try

• cost estimates of time and energy are unknown

[cinder karma]

Xkcd out to sea

.... https://xkcd.com/349/

xkcd: Success

40% of OpenBSD installs lead to shark attacks. It's their only standing security issue.

[devout vault]

huh, I haven't seen that one before

but also so true

[prisma flume]

me husking the fruits of my hubris 'upgrading' my home network

fortunately it's now monday and i can be paid to waste other people's time instead

[devout vault]

Mods, ban the time traveller

...or ask them nicely to share their tech

[prisma flume]

you wouldn't even guess it's a microsoft product

[cinder karma]

Poor Casey trying to get Microsoft XNA to like Linux

[devout vault]

Nah, casey gave up on that

[devout vault]

Huh, I thought Minecraft Coder Pack died around the time the modders switched to all the gradle stuff

I will never retain the knowledge of what MCP is in this context

[tranquil grove]

probably the LLM one, but I like that they've directly added to that confusion twice

Microsoft Certified Partner, an independent company that provides Microsoft-related products or services
Microsoft Certified Professional, a certification from Microsoft
Model Context Protocol, a standard for applications to provide context to LLMs

[devout vault]

When everyone thing is superMCP, noonething is

[little furnace]

I honestly never had any issues with YouTube adblocking for the last six years. Feels almost like I'm using a different service the way everybody seems to suffer.

[prisma flume]

well naturally the saints working on ublock origin do all the hard work, but i'm sure they have a lot more to play with as a browser extension compared to a pihole filtering traffic

not that i particularly know the inner workings of either

[little furnace]

Yeah, you need content filtering for that. Setting that up on a Pi-hole is a lot of work. Good luck.

Honestly, I don't think it supports that at all.

AdGuard Home supports a bit more, but I still think it fails for YouTube.

You might want to try a setup with E2guardian for that.

[prisma flume]

the advertising arms race is outrunning me

[prisma flume]

truly lil' minty is struggling but it can play keyboard cat on youtube

i'm surprised how functional mint is out of the box even on such an old version

bless this pc with its 1-core 1.6ghz processor

[steel kraken]

is pihole still just a DNS server?

as it wouldn't be hard to bypass it with myservice.example/ad/whatever instead of ad.myservice.example/whatever, which ublock origin can do both, dns can only do the later

third party ad cdn's are the bulk of it broadly though, so it would be well integrated stuff like youtube where it could struggle

[lethal walrus]

pihole is just dns yep

[cyan shadow]

@devout vault https://bsky.app/profile/aniuskie.bsky.social/post/3maezyuewbc2k

KAR art

Aniiiiuuu ☆⌒(>。<) (@aniuskie.bsky.social)

i want air riders but i dont wanna get a switch 2

Bluesky · Dec 20, 2025, 1:19 AM

[dusty pollen]

ad blocking dns servers are surprisingly effective in my experience, they've been around for a while and the majority of ads are still blocked by them in my experience

[hasty sinew]

You can tell they are FREAKING out cause of cursor

[devout vault]

hydra worst legendary anyways

[cyan shadow]

I figured you'd appreciate the Rick supremacy

[uncut seal]

roach

[cinder karma]

I mean it's fucking embarrassing that cursor is a vscode fork yes lol

[safe dragon]

idk what cursor is tbh

it does something with AI

[rain apex]

I think it's like vscode but u can't turn the copilot shit off

Although vscode is rapidly becoming vscode but u can't turn the copilot shit off

[safe dragon]

innovative

[cyan shadow]

VSCodium my beloved

Be free from Microsoft's bullshit, be freeeee

[cinder karma]

Vim lol

[cyan shadow]

For those of us that aren't sadists, VSCodium is good

[rain apex]

I've gotten very good at just ignoring the ✨ tbh

And C# debugger is literally the only reason im not on vscodium

[safe dragon]

helix my beloved

and visual studio for C# unfortunately

[robust quarry]

im pissed that AI co-opted the sparkle emoji

[cyan shadow]

Right? It was my favourite

[robust quarry]

it was my favorite nooo

YES

top-tier emoji

[cyan shadow]

My shiny...

[robust quarry]

💔

how dare they steal my whimsy 💔

[worn remnant]

they're coming for the other ones, too. using them instead of bullet points

[robust quarry]

how could they

[worn remnant]

quick somebody do the grim-reaper-knocking-on-the-doors meme but it's some emojis and the em dash

[robust quarry]

at least they shall never take our ascii art

[robust quarry]

im pissed that AI does that too, like it's such a cute idea WHY'S IT GOTTA BE AI

AND MY EM-DASHES

[devout vault]

don't jinx it

[rain apex]

AI can't take 🦀 🚀 from us

[devout vault]

do jinx it

[robust quarry]

...huh

[worn remnant]

crab rocket probably means something to rust people

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by chu2.718281828459045235360287471 as #6907 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1457786697558397100)

[rain apex]

I should just use 🕴️ instead of bullet points

I don't really understand where the llm picked up the emoji thing though

Who are the humans that wrote like this

[cinder karma]

Uh

I need to tell you the wall street bets folks are also pro AI

[rain apex]

Yeah they would be

But they have 🌝 🚀 i thought

[cinder karma]

I found out that AMC has a stockholders bonus lol (free snack per quarter!)

Unfortunately I watch no movies

[devout vault]

Perfect excuse to start, and when people ask you just say "I have to get the most out of my stocks"

[pliant snow]

Do you just need one share to be a stockholder

because that would pay for itself immediately

[cinder karma]

Ngl I thought you had to own several thousand dollars of stock but apparently you just need to self attest?

[dusty pollen]

self attest as in pinky promise? or something else

[safe dragon]

u gotta double pinky promise

[devout vault]

As long as it’s not a triple pinky promise. I only have two pinkies

[modest steppe]

you'd need another person

[feral nymph]

hi

[safe dragon]

hola

[robust quarry]

hey there!

[feral nymph]

hi

[cyan shadow]

Boss babes selling supplements on Facebook

[cinder karma]

Why are there so many different regex implementations and why do they all hate me today

[prisma flume]

hate would be humanising regex, which can only be understood to hold a cruel, uncaring indifference to you and your problems

[cyan shadow]

"You 📣📣 NEED 📣📣 this snake oil pill that 💪 does absolutely ✨ fuck all ✨ and will probably give you 💅 the shits 💅, only for 📣 $500 if you sign up! 📣" type stuff

[robust quarry]

heh like AM from i have no mouth and i must scream-

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6910 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1457891388975747155)

New quote added by head_in_the_cl0uds as #6911 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1457892678275567881)

[robust quarry]

heyyy jinx!

[cyan shadow]

Look mom, I'm famous!

[robust quarry]

[cyan shadow]

It's like 6 am and I'm eepy

[cinder karma]

If i had no morals I would become an influencer or smth

[robust quarry]

damn i still haven't gotten quoted i need more one-liners

[cinder karma]

Hey all, try my budgeting course, my diet, my workout plan, and my haircut

[cyan shadow]

Try being sleep-deprived, it'll come to you naturally

[cinder karma]

We're gonna sell it by drawing on better abs with makeup

[robust quarry]

only if you buy the haircut from my licsenced hair salon!

[prisma flume]

going to have to remember #6911

[cyan shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/bowing-thank-you-tom-and-jerry-take-a-bow-chasing-gif-20784169

[robust quarry]

PPFT- what are you, a dinosaur? we're gonna sell it with anime-style AI images and have the product look different in every photo /j

bonus points for extra limbs

[cyan shadow]

Extra fingers

[robust quarry]

any sort of additional appendage counts

[cyan shadow]

The only thing AI seems to do that pleases me is make my overextended elbows look normal in comparison to the drivel it outputs

[robust quarry]

[cinder karma]

Look, obviously false images dont work

[robust quarry]

have you been on amazon? /lh

[cyan shadow]

People's standard reaction to my elbows is usually "Girl, what the fuck"

[cinder karma]

I need you to pretend that waving around a dumbbell for 30 seconds gets you abs

[robust quarry]

nahh, having a kale and raw egg white smoothie gives you abs

[cyan shadow]

People drink that shit?

[prisma flume]

but why not tho

[robust quarry]

ah, that's the standard reaction to my art

[robust quarry]

well... influencers at least claim that they do..

[cinder karma]

I actually like both egg whites and kale lol

But. Like. Cooked.

[cyan shadow]

Kale is for putting in mashed potatoes with bacon
I do not like the idea of blitzing it with egg white to form drinkable slop

[cinder karma]

I am actually thinking I should hire a personal trainer but like

[robust quarry]

omg during that clean girl thing i'd occasionally get scrolly-form media of people eating the wildest 'health food'..

[cinder karma]

Six total sessions. One per month

Figure out why my left knee is sad

That's about it

[robust quarry]

i got a physical therapy workout prescription thing like 2 years ago and i've only done it ~20 times-

..it's supposed to be daily-

i even put a sign over my paint supplies 3 months ago reading 'no painting till you do one of these' AND GUESS WHO'S ONLY PAINTED TWICE SINCE THEN-

i need medication

[prisma flume]

kale is for putting in cows

[cinder karma]

I can hazard a guess to why my left knee is mad at me but not a guess at what I should do about it

[cyan shadow]

Physio?

Did they not tell you?

[robust quarry]

anyways im gonna go embroider now- bye y'all!

[cinder karma]

I dont have a physio lol

[cyan shadow]

Welp

I recommend it if your insurance will cover it

[cinder karma]

I pay out of pocket for the first six thousand dollars lol

[cyan shadow]

... Jesus

[cinder karma]

To be fair I recall we may have a specific thing for a physical therapy appointment covered before that

And my annual physical is free

[pliant snow]

LOL

<@&239770080378880001> check this one out

[cyan shadow]

Have they changed something that bypasses the bonch protection you'd baked in or something 😭😭

[pliant snow]

It checks if they send the same message rapidly, by posting screenshots without text, I'm not certain if that would trip it

Let me look

[cyan shadow]

Hmmmm

Hai Zoe, hai Lassa!

[waxen cliff]

Discord broke aquo-cord 🙃

Hi Quill!

[cyan shadow]

I'm flying back to the Netherlands today, at least I get to say hi before takeoff hehe

[hardy jewel]

We have so many blocks in place for the screenshot scams but they always eventually learn to bypass it

[pliant snow]

"flying"

[cyan shadow]

Would you prefer that I swim

[pliant snow]

Would you say you're currently flying as expected

[cyan shadow]

Yeah, it's so annoying

[cyan shadow]

Well, the flight is five hours late

I'm just glad it wasn't cancelled

[pliant snow]

Yeah, it's only checking for text, it actually isn't looking at picture-only messages at all hmm

[cyan shadow]

I guess looking at image-only too would help a lot

Okay the pilot is in a fantastic mood this is cute

He's practically singing over the intercom

[pliant snow]

image only would be problematic I think, there are legit reasons someone would post several images quickly

[cyan shadow]

That is true

Hm
I wonder how one would approach this then

[hardy jewel]

we’ve tried numerous different approaches over the months

we block specific image links/names until they start using a new one

imgur links too

It’s @crystal wren’s speciality though

[cyan shadow]

If you find one that sticks let me know, we could use some help with blocking things over in the smaller modding servers I still moderate

We don't get 'em often but when we do, it's a pain

Okay we're pushing back, I'll shove off for now

Expect to see me again once I have WiFi

[lethal walrus]

So when are we going to start OCRing uploads

[supple ether]

Probably won't help since they're photos of a monitor rather than screenshots

[dusty pollen]

I've been wondering this too

[dusty pollen]

ocr is pretty advanced nowadays tbf, it may well manage it just fine

[lethal walrus]

The photos are generally fsirly clear, albeit a bit askew

[worn remnant]

afaik ocr is meant for getting text out of scans of books and the like, so i figure photos of a monitor are in scope

although i presume the ones they use in the scams are deliberately staged to be hard to detect/scan

[lethal walrus]

This is a screenshot of one we got in ES recently and it's almost dead-on (cropped to exclude links so nothing actually rule breaking)

[devout vault]

What was the scam I missed this time

Was it a standard one

Or did I miss the reveal of a brand new one

[dusty pollen]

ocr is all text recognition I believe? I could definitely be wrong though

[cyan shadow]

Ajdjfgudhfhfhsjf WHY DON'T THEY TAKE IDEAL ON THIS FLIGHT FOR WIFI WAT

Royal Dutch Airlines and they refuse to take the one Dutch payment method that's actually suitable for the 21st century

I bought the damn pass with my forex card in the end

[devout vault]

They’re trying to be the last bastion of a less chronically online world

[dusty pollen]

since when do flights have wifi

[cyan shadow]

I mean
They take apple pay, the problem is that I have a Samsung

[cyan shadow]

For quite a few years now! It's a 10 hour flight, so I like having WiFi

[cinder karma]

I never use the in air wifi

[devout vault]

For domestic US flights at least, they’ve been available for a while

Of course you have to pay for it

[cinder karma]

It's not about being cheap

It's about being way too proud

[devout vault]

Oh I figured it wasn’t the price

I was more saying “why would they give it to you for free even they you already gave them so much money”

[hardy jewel]

It was just the standard elon musk X bitcoin one

[devout vault]

Oh

I thought I missed something exciting for once 😔

Why are all the scammers offering bitcoin, and none of them offering magic 100% sex change buttons

Now thatd be a scam I’d be willing to fall for

[hardy jewel]

These are the normal angles we get

the ones that manage to bypass our censors we just delete manually when someone reports, it’s not too big of a hassle but it’s still stupid

it’s nicer than the old masked links ones though; this one can’t hurt you unless you go through the processes at least vs accidentally clicking on a seemingly normal link

[lethal walrus]

Doesn't look like too much but tbh I've barely looked at ocr

[cyan shadow]

Y'all having it on domestic flights makes sense, yeah
You've got some long ass flights

I can entertain myself on a 5 hour domestic flight without WiFi just fine but this one is 10 hours long

I get bored

KLM's movie selection this time of year is not very good

[little furnace]

Magic "Change your entire body anytime" power would be even better. That'd be my favorite superpower. That and "Change how everyone's senses perceive you".

[robust quarry]

hmm if they offered me half a sex change button i'd be sold

or one i can infinitely reuse

'but whats in your pants' 'MAGIC THATS WHAT'

[robust quarry]

yeah but it's gotta be believable cmon now

[worn remnant]

polymorph is up there on the powers list, but for me i'm not sure it can compete with teleport

[little furnace]

I like that in this server we're actually allowed to say the word "sex". In the Zelda Discord the bot would put you into timeout.

[little furnace]

Change your body into photons.

[prisma flume]

how do you change back

[robust quarry]

ikr! ..i dont cause this is the only server i actually use but-

[robust quarry]

why would you wanna go back HUH

being photons sounds fun

[prisma flume]

you should just turn other people into photons instead. very useful

[robust quarry]

[little furnace]

I mean, maybe you can also just grow wings. Why teleport if you can fly.
Actually, maybe I can finally become an alicorn-taur.

[robust quarry]

i shall become mothman

[cinder karma]

Ah, the unit price of wiper blades

[robust quarry]

i very much appreciate these unit price things

[cinder karma]

looks left, looks right

Sextant

[robust quarry]

HEYYY IT WORKS

[cinder karma]

Eh, it's fine. Cheaper flights you save money by very carefully not paying for anything extra

[robust quarry]

..Scunthorpe

THAT WORKS TOO

[cinder karma]

You can get teleportation but angular momentum is conserved

[robust quarry]

time pausing would be my favorite

[cinder karma]

You can get time pausing but it doesn't come with pausing aging

[robust quarry]

hmmm..

deal

[cinder karma]

(I have spent too much time trying to make a magic system lol)

[robust quarry]

oooh do tell

[cinder karma]

Do you not sleep?

Tbh I have hours of audiobook to go through on my phone AND I'm easily entertained so

Also, to be on topic for once, mobile stwrdew does not require internet

[worn remnant]

speaking only for myself, of course

[robust quarry]

yeah i could never sleep anywhere that isn't my bed LoL

...or in my bed too tbh i just have chronic insomnia

[little furnace]

Last time I was on a plane I finally remembered to bring these headphone adapters that you can plug into the seats. I've been wanting to do that since I was five, and I finally remembered. I was so curious to see what is being played there. And then they had discontinued them...

[robust quarry]

[little furnace]

Anyway, almost 5am, good night.

[robust quarry]

holy shit go to bed- night serenity LOL

[little furnace]

Nighty!

[devout vault]

?????????? ?????????? ?????????? ??????????

(I would do more but I’m on mobile)

New atra lore?????????????

I must hear about this magic system

I must

I literally had to double check the name the message was under

[robust quarry]

TELL USSS

[cinder karma]

(In the creative writing sense, lol)

[robust quarry]

inform us

we beg of you

[cinder karma]

I've mentioned it before. Magic is known deviations from the laws of physics. The more you deviate, the more magic it takes. The more precise your deviation, the more skill it takes

Don't forget about angular momentum 😛

[robust quarry]

oooh nerdy

[cinder karma]

Can you move single electrons?

[robust quarry]

i approve

(idk im not a physics nerd)

[cinder karma]

It fits a lot better with literature than it does a video game for sures

[robust quarry]

yeahhh that's some of the issue with my mod

[cyan shadow]

I usually don't manage to, but this time I passed out for a bit out of sheer exhaustion

I've woken up well before I should've, though

[hasty sinew]

When you’re tired of writing code… just writing markdown specs

[devout vault]

Doesn’t matter, still fun to hear about it

[crystal wren]

Can confirm: the spam messages that got sent in here match one of the AutoMod's regexes perfectly. That is set to block messages.

This makes no sense, and it feels like AutoMod is entirely broken.

[dusty pollen]

what's the current regex string?

[uncut seal]

invisible characters?

[crystal wren]

Unfortunately, nope! Tested against the verbatim deleted messages from the logs.

Annoyingly, the same regex was tested in a different server with the same URL, and it did block it there. And a different regex in this server's AutoMod filter was tested in #secret-woods, and that worked.

So it's genuinely a complete mystery.

[safe dragon]

it was tired

[pliant snow]

Is anyone using UKI instead of a bootloader? I only just learned about it recently

[little furnace]

Me. It works really well.

[pliant snow]

Is it still the same idea? You have a separate boot partition, but rather than a bootloader, you point it to the kernel file somehow?

[little furnace]

Maybe? Not really. You have the EFI partition, and there you basically place the UKI.

Is the EFI the boot partition?

I don't know too much, I just know that it worked like a charm.

[edgy lion]

I've done similar, using an EFISTUB kernel (similar to UKI) in a VM

https://ktprograms.codeberg.page/blog/posts/2022-03-17_1750_utm-arch-arm/#modify-fstab-to-automatically-mount-the-efi-system-partition-when-booting

The main step is using efibootmgr to register an EFI app (like a UKI or EFISTUB kernel) and it'll be available in the bootloader

[pliant snow]

Interesting

Probably not worth replacing my current bootloader, but I should try it sometime

[rain apex]

What are the user benefits to this vs just using grub or whatever

[safe dragon]

feels cooler

idk

maybe it boots faster

apparently not

it has some security benefits apparently

oh maybe it's also faster

[rain apex]

Feels cooler

I hardly ever turn computer off tho

[safe dragon]

but why

I've never understood that

Just turn it off when you're not using it...

why have it waste electricity while it's doing absolutely nothing

[rain apex]

It is hibernate tho that's basically like shutdown

[pliant snow]

Boots ever so slightly quicker, one less thing to maintain since you only have a single OS/kernel version

[safe dragon]

ok hibernate is effectively just shutdown but you're a hater when it comes to a clean boot

[rain apex]

No i am mostly just forgor

[safe dragon]

on my windows days I went out of my way to try and make windows actually genuinely do a completely clean boot after shutting down which was more difficult than it should've been

[rain apex]

And i do always reboot whenever I roll anything

bc i am vaguely paranoid about exploding boot setup somehow

[safe dragon]

I've only once ever broken grub

[rain apex]

I never broke it but only because my friend warned me about a breaking change one time

So now i regenerate the configs everytime grub updates

It's probably not needed

[rain apex]

I think that probably does contribute to my current habits

Because linxu does have actual easy to access clean boot which takes longer I don't press the "shutdown" button as readily

[pliant snow]

I always completely turn off my computers when I'm not using them, even my laptop

[safe dragon]

same

it's never on when I'm not using it

[devout vault]

Computers can be intentionally turned off?

[safe dragon]

indeed

many desktop environments even include a handy button for it!

I don't have a handy button for it tho

I just run poweroff in the terminal

[cinder karma]

sudo shutdown now

[safe dragon]

I don't really know why I use poweroff instead of shutdown

it has never caused any problems

but in theory it could be problematic

[pliant snow]

shutdown requires a flag I can never remember

[fleet wren]

poweroff is an alias to shutdown now (+some other flags)

[worn remnant]

i typically put my main computer to sleep (old-fashioned s3 suspend, of course) if i expect to return before too long (the same day), and frequently overnight if i have stuff open that i expect to keep working on the next day

[safe dragon]

poweroff would be shutdown -P now I think

[worn remnant]

usually my laptop is the one i turn off every time i'm done on it, which probably sounds weird to most people, but i like that computer a lot less than my desktop puck thing so i avoid using it whenever possible

[devout vault]

My desktop gets restarted when MS decides it's time to force an update to happen overnight

Or Really Weird Computer Thing™ happens and I don't have an alternative

[cobalt shore]

I shut my desktop down if I'm going to be gone for a day or more, and I shut my windows laptop off if I'm not using it, but my linuxlaptop I keep on always (bc its running a discord bot)

[safe dragon]

enterprise server setup

[cinder karma]

Fancy sit stand desk

[cobalt shore]

I miss my sit/stand desk

[rain apex]

I only sit at the sit stand desk

[safe dragon]

me too

[cinder karma]

I kneel at the sit only desk

[uncut seal]

I'm legit going to do this later this year

I want to setup a home server and I'm going to use the cheapest thing I can get my hands on

[prisma flume]

i only stand at the sit stand desk

are you quite sure a macbook is the cheapest thing you can get your hands on

[cinder karma]

I mean...getting your hands on is one thing

Running away fast enough is yet another.....

Casey! How is the treadmill

I'm fascinated by the technology

[uncut seal]

I meant any laptop, I can't tell the brand just from the picture

[safe dragon]

smh clearly this is specifically a 2016 MacBook pro mini deluxe

[prisma flume]

see i joke, but now i'm thinking about taking up my boss on his offer for a new work laptop just to see if barely-functional lil' minty can be replaced with a capable laptop for doing tv and yt

[muted raven]

Hello I have a glorius mouse and need help making the stardew macro can anyone help

[little furnace]

This is #programmers-off-topic for things that aren't Stardew-related. You might want to try #making-mods-general.

[safe dragon]

a glorious mouse does sound quite grandiose

oh it's a company

oh right I know them

cause of their gmmk keyboards

[little furnace]

Oh, I though they were making a mod for the hat mouse.

[devout vault]

I thought they were trying to make macros so their mouse could play the game despite not being able to reach all the keys and also a computer mouse at the same time. (/s)

[devout vault]

Oh, that’s less fun than just saying your mouse choice in particular is glorious compared to the peasants 😔

Like saying my glorious laptop (because it’s a Framework)

[pliant snow]

I have a glorious Nintendo Gamecube

[devout vault]

Yours is in fact more glorious than 99% of them

[pliant snow]

wtf who are these 1%

[devout vault]

I didn’t want to look up how many GCs were made to get a more exact amount of 9s for after the decimal point

There’s probably like a few dozen or less that are more fancy

[devout vault]

Did my DMs leak for a moment or did atra post that here as well for a brief moment

Oh atra meant to post that image not the other one

[pliant snow]

oh those fancy telephone mice are cheaper than I would've thought

Apparently people prefer light mice... Mine came with optional weights and I put all of them in lol

[cinder karma]

I posted the wrong picture for a half second yeah

[safe dragon]

I just want an mmo mouse

that works on Linux

I love my g600 but it's discontinued

[devout vault]

Do the Mice of Many Buttons not work on Linux usually?

Because of needing custom drivers, I assume?

[devout vault]

The reason I wouldn't say yours is the most glorious is because of stuff like this. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q6UxJt_M-NI

But then again, I suppose that's gamecube setups, not gamecubes themselves

[safe dragon]

some don't work because they don't save the settings to the mouse, they use external software that has to be running to handle it

others work but cannot be configured on Linux

[devout vault]

It seems like you could have a mouse that's just an HID mouse with extra buttons? Unless I'm misremembering how HID devices work

[pliant snow]

Mine's better than that gamecube

[devout vault]

And I would assume there's a linux program that can map actions to arbitrary HID buttons

[pliant snow]

although I didn't know they made speakers for it...

[cinder karma]

Aquo do you have a special gamecube

[safe dragon]

this is the main thing https://github.com/libratbag/libratbag/tree/master

[pliant snow]

Define special

[safe dragon]

there's a frontend for it called piper

[devout vault]

oh no, aquos sleeper agent phrase

[pliant snow]

My gamecube has received another upgrade since last seen

[frosty echo]

https://azeron.com/en-eu/collections/cyro maybe? Software doesn't work on Linux currently but you can set it up on Windows and save the mappings then use it wherever. May even have a workable mapping as default? Not sure. IIRC there may be a third-party config program that runs on Linux too

[devout vault]

👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀

[pliant snow]

Piper works well, I recommend it

[safe dragon]

I will hunt for one once this mouse actually starts dying

[pliant snow]

It's purple now

[safe dragon]

thankfully it's been working well for me for many years now

[devout vault]

Also I know they are trying to sell me a course but this sounds more like a threat without the context of who sent it

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/3SFx-emI5r4?si=8VcGUMkHRSi-kMMu this is fun

[devout vault]

they're purple by default /s

[cinder karma]

I told you, I'm in a bread phase

[pliant snow]

This is my flex/retirement fund

[cinder karma]

Next up is rock climb

[devout vault]

That is neat though personally I think I prefer non-transparent shells in most cases

[cinder karma]

Then maybe I'll go hydrox

[devout vault]

On krobus sure, but here you're in your ignored resolution phase

[cinder karma]

I haven't done my year in review yet

I did do my net worth in review but not my year in review

[devout vault]

Oh speaking of names-for-phases

...oh that's too long

[safe dragon]

wtf is net worth in review

does it just show a positive or negative number for your net worth and that's the review

[devout vault]

This would be much easier if I didn't want to keep my base username in my nick

I found a word that would fit the character limit, but I have never heard of this word so I suspect it's too obscure

@ junimos can you raise discord's inherent limit on nickname lengths thx

Well I guess I'll go for something slightly less fun

[pliant snow]

if you remove your real username from your nickname, you lose copyright on it

[devout vault]

Oh, this must be why atra never uses their base username

To erase themself from modding history now that they've retired

[cinder karma]

You say moddign history like I ever mattered lol

[cinder karma]

Yes.

(Kidding. It's a review of how much money I saved in the last year, how it is allocated - stocks, bonds, tax deferred accounts, etc.)

[devout vault]

Many people liked GIMA. I loved Pick Your Enchantment, More Fertilizers, Tap Giant Crops, etc.

I'm noticing you have a disproportionate amount of Giant Crop mods compared to the average modder

[worn remnant]

something something giant crops georg

[devout vault]

AtraCore is literally on page 7 of 684 for total endorsements all time

[modest steppe]

atra mods iconic

[devout vault]

And this is if we're only counting your own mods, and not all of your PRs and troubleshooting and helping people

You quite literally have more merged SMAPI PRs than I do

[modest steppe]

[devout vault]

And you have more PRs on my repo than the resident fix-JA/DGA-for-casey-er (ie. Elizabeth)

[modest steppe]

what a title

[safe dragon]

ur my favorite modder atra

you sure did things

[devout vault]

@pliant snow is governor's source anywhere

for PR purposes

[pliant snow]

uh oh

https://codeberg.org/aquova/governor

[devout vault]

...that doesn't look like github

Or even gitlab

How am I supposed to make a PR if I don't want to make a new account

[modest steppe]

code ?

[devout vault]

No, code 🧊

[devout vault]

Remind me in 4 hours to do the lookup people thingy

[heavy dagger]

ehhhhhhhh ok (#7022297) (4h | <t:1767820626>)

[modest steppe]

i thought berg like burger but it is probably for iceberg

hdhd strikes again because berg and burger aren't even slightly similar

,,,its adhd

the h stands for hettention i guess

[uncut seal]

my heart skipped a beat, I thought this was one of those Mountain Dew XBoxes for a second

nice machines btw

[modest steppe]

green

[pliant snow]

It's to deter the weak

[devout vault]

Yeah they have an iceberg as their logo (I think that's what that is)

[devout vault]

high definition hyperactivity disorder

Contrast with AD4K (the attention deficit part has been upgraded from HD to 4K)

[lethal walrus]

I'm like 30% sure you can sign in with github oauth

[devout vault]

Have you considered that I categorize that under "creating a new account"

Also oauth options always make me more confused because I can never remember which I used on a site, if any

[devout vault]

Oh for what it's worth, I came up with a name for this yesterday

Simulacrum (which I realize is a word on its own, but I thought of it because of the D&D spell)

Your irregularly scheduled spacechase0.com homepage-update-because-casey-happened-to-think-about-the-site-again dropped

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6915 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458505777701720298)

[cinder karma]

At least I'm one person's favorite

I'm not even my own favorite

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by e.l.i.z.a.b.e.t.h as #6916 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458503044940697839)

[sand frost]

i see on the internet that amsterdam airport is having a bad week

[cinder karma]

How insane is it to parse makefiles in python

Asking for a very close friend

[devout vault]

I've done worse

[modest steppe]

but ur a self described criminal

[cinder karma]

We need to get Casey a crown

One with cat ears

[rain apex]

A spacehelmet

[safe dragon]

with cat ears

[cyan shadow]

Whole country took one look at the snow and crapped out

[safe dragon]

"tf is this I thought climate change finally made us not have to deal with this anymore"

it looks like I'll still be working from home tomorrow

[modest steppe]

do u like working from home

[safe dragon]

I used to work fully remote at my last job

it's nice in moderation

[cinder karma]

Yeah lollllllll

You get ice

North America Warm Water Conveyer gets weaker

[devout vault]

FL has been getting "let's flip a coin to decide if it's below freezing or in the 70s" (below 0 and between 21-27 for the celsius users)

[modest steppe]

is,,, fl florida

[devout vault]

Yes

[modest steppe]

ah yeah, checks out

everything is weird in florida

[devout vault]

I'm not gonna joke about not having freedom because I'm getting tired of the copious amounts of freedom* we've been getting lately

-# * to be exploited

[modest steppe]

weather here is between below 20 and like, 24 but the sun is a deadly laser so its fucking hot

[cyan shadow]

I went to the Boi's house yesterday, and I'm still there today because the buses got cancelled and I'm not walking home

We're gonna try again tomorrow

[modest steppe]

(i mean in celsius , i won't convert)

[safe dragon]

supposedly tomorrow itself should be somewhat ok

and then snow again on friday?

[devout vault]

(I almost did a .wolfram until I noticed I basically had that almost exact conversion in my message)

[modest steppe]

that's the thing it never went above like 25 but it doesn't matter bc the sun is mean

[devout vault]

where's that old meme

[modest steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/the-sun-is-a-deadly-lazer-gif-8691250

[devout vault]

yeah that

[modest steppe]

i only have old memes

[devout vault]

Those are the best ones

And the worst ones

[modest steppe]

i just don't understand new meme

[devout vault]

Memes either age like fine wine, or like milk left out in the sun in a desert. There is no in between

[modest steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-buscemi-gif-20922935

this one is still relevant and will forever be

[cinder karma]

This is normal winter weather in TX

It's gotten 80+ F too which

[cyan shadow]

You wish, the winter timetable is in effect again tomorrow

[cinder karma]

Weird

[devout vault]

I am once again hating on VS2026 and the broken drop down.

Why did VS freeze for almost 20 seconds trying to open it

[safe dragon]

oh I mean the weather not the actual functioning of this country...

[cyan shadow]

Ah yeah

[devout vault]

Yes, the file is 19k lines. But it worked fine in VS 2022

[cyan shadow]

Idk

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6921 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458559055298691296)

[cyan shadow]

I'm just glad I convinced the Boi to not try to go into the office tomorrow

[safe dragon]

😌

and so far every time they've been like "oh damn it was worse than we anticipated"

[cinder karma]

You have no right to talk about your country not functioning

[devout vault]

.translate en vrijdag

[heavy dagger]

Translation result: Friday

[devout vault]

.wolfram 20mm in inches

[heavy dagger]

0.7874 inches

[safe dragon]

all it takes is for there to be snow

the amount doesn't matter

[devout vault]

I mean, to be fair, their country functioning is the norm, not an outlier

[safe dragon]

it does vaguely function

I mean I don't think we have a functioning government rn

but

they're working that out

[devout vault]

I mean, eating soup with a spoon that has a broken handle is still better than eating soup with a butter knife

or maybe s/butter knife/slotted spoon/

[safe dragon]

having a soup that's just getting cold from negligence is better than someone actively poisoning it...

[cinder karma]

Wanna bet on government shutdown or no?

[safe dragon]

at least when we don't have a functioning government we just continue with the old budget

[devout vault]

@ aquo governor needs a gambling feature so we can bet our hard earned levels on random nonsense

(don't worry that's not what my PR was gonna be)

[cinder karma]

I'll wager

[safe dragon]

suddenly I lose all my levels

[cinder karma]

I wouldn't mind

Toooo badly

[pliant snow]

We already had that with the mighty JojAI

[devout vault]

see I've already forgotten about that

But we need it more permanently

If you secretly make it exclusively working in #programmers-off-topic , I won't tell

Only 500 levels left until I hit 2k, surely gambling is the answer

[cinder karma]

Aquo I'm willing to donate levels

[lethal walrus]

I think I have the ability to make levels appear out of thin air so I can get thoroughly addicted to the jojacino without losing anything

[safe dragon]

the perfect mentality to start gambling

I have many levels to donate

[sand frost]

I bet yes, do you find anyone betting no?

[cinder karma]

I'm not sure haha

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: do the lookup people thingy (4h ago)

[devout vault]

Remind me in 2 hours to actually do the lookup people thingy

[heavy dagger]

hahahaha idk why but the fact that you expect me to do anything is funny. we'll see what happens (#7022499) (2h | <t:1767827854>)

[pliant snow]

Do i buy a cpu/motherboard/ram bundle on sale today...

[fleet wren]

is it on sale because it's merely 150% msrp

[safe dragon]

150% msrp, 33% off now !

[pliant snow]

Its a 7800X3D, new motherboard, and 32 GB of DDR5-6000 for like $600

[safe dragon]

that's very good by modern standards...

[pliant snow]

I know, I was really surprised

I might do it...

[pliant snow]

Im doing it

[safe dragon]

🎉

[robust quarry]

[heavy dagger]

@devout vault: actually do the lookup people thingy (2h ago)

[devout vault]

but i dont wanna

[devout vault]

Remind me in 1 month to actually actually do the lookup people thingy, and I surely won't have forgotten what that means by then

[heavy dagger]

yep sure sure np (#7022618) (1mo | <t:1770506337>)

[robust quarry]

[little furnace]

What is the lookup people thingy?

[robust quarry]

tis a mystery

[devout vault]

If I say, I won't confuse myself a month from now. And we can't have that, now can we

[little furnace]

That's my goal, preventing you from confusing yourself.

[robust quarry]

nahhh being confused is more fun

[little furnace]

I don't like being confused, I always fear that I do something wrong then and disappoint people.

[devout vault]

https://getfullyear.com/

[fleet wren]

wow, only $499 a year for unlimited api calls... you may as well be robbing them

whoops i misread and that's per month

still a steal though

[safe dragon]

what a great product

and it's web scale

[safe dragon]

🙏

[little furnace]

By the way, it's absolutely not necessary to update the year in the footer if you don't add new content to a website.

[steel kraken]

depends by region.

I cant remember what company did it but puts copyright 2016 on everything including new stuff

[lethal bobcat]

<@&239770080378880001>

[safe dragon]

it's been the exact same one for months now

[real pollen]

Yea

And people dont put enough protection on their accounts

[safe dragon]

another hacked account it seems

[real pollen]

Yea

[crystal wren]

Thanks for the ping, but also aaaaaaaaa.

[lethal bobcat]

yeah sorry for the amount lol

[crystal wren]

Oh, no, the aaaa is at Discord here, because this should have been caught by AutoMod... but it wasn't.

[safe dragon]

thanks discord for your moderation tools

[lethal bobcat]

automod just wanted to get in on the crypto

[safe dragon]

did u know u can earn 2500 dollars all u gotta go is give me ur discord account and credit card details

[lethal bobcat]

what a deal!

[little furnace]

I don't have a credit card qq

I can't get 2500 dollars

Life is sad

[crystal wren]

These are the URLs. This is our regex for these.

They match perfectly!

[thin estuary]

inb4 the feature is vibe coded

oops wasn't meant to be a ping

[crystal wren]

I mean someone tested the same URLs and regex on a different server, and it did block it there.

So I genuinely just don't know what's going on with it.

Wait a... thought.

[thin estuary]

apparently if you hit reply -> uncheck the ping -> start typing -> right click another message and hit reply, it reenables pinging but keeps the text

[thin estuary]

how big is the other server

what if it's... sharding

or something

[crystal wren]

Anyone mind being a very brief test subject?

[real pollen]

Sure

[thin estuary]

would be hilarious if it didn't catch messages from users on a different shard than it's checking on

[crystal wren]

Okay, sweet! Could you send a normal message, and then edit this into the message:

ASidgfnjudgfjegnim34vg9unin34tbv9un34biujhb3wen4vtU#WVB

[real pollen]

Hi

[crystal wren]

Okay, nope, it does catch edits.

[real pollen]

Hm, idk then

[crystal wren]

I expected it probably should, but worth a test.

[thin estuary]

what if it doesn't catch users it didn't cache recently

and specifically on big servers

[real pollen]

Like joining the server without actually "joining"?

[crystal wren]

Oh, geez... if it does turn out to be something like that, testing that to report the bug to Discord is going to be hell.

[thin estuary]

basically, on a big server, send the scam message as the very first activity you do in a while, without it getting a chance to cache anything about the user first

typing activity may trigger the cache too...

[crystal wren]

But a send via an API call...

[thin estuary]

it's really just an idea, it's not like i know how their system works

[crystal wren]

That might not.

[dusty pollen]

it absolutely does heavily cache things

[dusty pollen]

is this still in automod?

[safe dragon]

I just get flashbacks to being blocked from accessing my whole discord account

is it the same scam to the point that they use the exact same image urls?

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6930 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1458796817415147550)

[real pollen]

69, nice

[real pollen]

Im willing to be a human test dummy

[edgy lion]

Has the regex/string been tested in https://rustexp.lpil.uk, as the docs suggest?
https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/10069840290711-Filter-Messages-Using-Regular-Expressions-Regex#:~:text=Be sure to use an external tool like Rustexp

I also wonder if it's something to do with Markdown'ed links (as in [...](...)), but this server has separate protections against that, right?

[waxen cliff]

It has for lower levels, yeah.
But they also have no image perms and they still managed to post images.

[thin estuary]

some channels do allow images though, right? i think this one might? and making-mods-general
actually less sure about this one

[crystal wren]

Huh. Don't be unsure, because it actually does...

[crystal wren]

I actually had no idea the specific regex engine they use. Knowing that's going to be pretty helpful!

That being said, though... still matches using that.

[steel kraken]

Does automod run on the embeds?

[waxen cliff]

I'm also interested in how it wasn't blocked by automod spam. Shouldn't that trigger after a couple of messages and delete them all

[steel kraken]

On steamdb we have a bot that detects the 4+ images without recent chat history that deletes it on the spot and reports it in our mods channel

[crystal wren]

That's just the thing. This regex does catch this exact pattern and blocks the message from being sent.

Except when it doesn't, with no discernible difference in the message content.

[steel kraken]

One of them was marked as suspected spam by discord (which our bot didn't spot) but wasn't actually removed by discord just had to expand to see

[waxen cliff]

Is it possible to "attach" something to a compromised account which "hacks" discord/automod to bypass them (for the lack of better words, I no speak tech)

[waxen cliff]

I wonder if we could do something similar with discord.

[real pollen]

It would be finicky but it could work

[steel kraken]

Looking at the conversation in steamdb mod history, the messages use image embeds but without attachments

[waxen cliff]

My thought here is. Automod is a discord feature, and if they have stuff bypassing things like 2fa, why not having things bypass automod

[steel kraken]

But it very much seems that it's been explicitly designed with being as annoying as possible to automatically detect/block

[cinder karma]

Got it, only three pictures of bread

[lethal walrus]

they can't bypass 2fa

[waxen cliff]

And the more we do to block them, the more we teach them to avoid it..

Isn't that what they did with the qr and what else for a while?

[lethal walrus]

stolen tokens bypassing 2fa is a feature of how using auth tokens work

[steel kraken]

The stuff that does 2fa bypass is that discord thinks it's the same browser/device.

You didn't really bypass 2fa as you never did a new login it's the same session just under the attackers control

[lethal walrus]

the solutions to stealing tokens make the user experience for everyone else much worse

[waxen cliff]

Ah, I see.

[steel kraken]

I like the GitHub solution of Sudo mode and have vaguely dangerous stuff reproc 2fa.
But that wouldn't actually stop these usecases of just posting ordinary messages

[crystal wren]

Or just location changes, which I see sometimes. That alone would probably curb a lot of these.

[steel kraken]

Depending on how sensitive you do location change that can bite people

[lethal walrus]

its not that uncommon to change ips in normal operation

driving somewhere, swapping/dropping vpn locations/connections

[steel kraken]

The stock standard "what is my IP" thinks I'm in a different state currently

[crystal wren]

It's not a perfect solution, but changing countries I feel is a safe/sensible enough thing.

Not much stopping these guys just using servers in the US, though.

[lethal walrus]

given that these are stealers nowadays i wouldnt be surprised if spam can just happen on the same device its stolen from

[steel kraken]

A likely source of compromise is piracy and pirates like VPNs

[crystal wren]

The last looking into this I did when it was just starting out as a huge campaign seemed to indicate a huge number of the compromises were from things like Roblox cheats.

[waxen cliff]

Yeah. Pirated stuff and malware go hand in hand sometimes.

[crystal wren]

And were apparently from a while ago, so all dormant and forgotten about probably.

[waxen cliff]

Also ads. If the site is fishy you don't even need to download their fishy stuff

[waxen cliff]

Yeah. There were a few mentions about downloading something roblox, wasn't there

[real pollen]

If anything, couldn't you get the bot managers to make Govener detect these things to see more of kill these bots

[devout vault]

Might be a silly thought, but if the regex has ^ or $, maybe there are invisible Whitespace characters preventing a match.

And/or maybe the discord automod regex does that automatically, and so you’d need \s* on both ends no matter what

[crystal wren]

No beginning or end of string specification, and I'm grabbing the text specifically from the logs verbatim.

[devout vault]

It could be possible that discord strips certain stuff out when displaying to user or storing in database, but automod checks before that

[crystal wren]

I'd rather not assume Discord is that level of ridiculous...

But knowing them...

[devout vault]

That's bold of you

I'm not even saying it'll likely fix it. Just that it sounds like we're out of ideas, so why not 😛

[crystal wren]

Yeah, especially when this specific regex does sometimes match URLs of that exact format. Just sometimes... not.

And yet always does when checking manually. Something's funky!

I have discovered one typo in the regex that's only flagged as a redundancy in Rust's regex engine. Isn't even flagged in the Rust regex tester Discord themselves link to, but regex101 does flag it.

So I've removed that... we'll see if a non-error-causing redundancy is enough for Discord to go haywire.

[frosty echo]

You can Copy Text of a message before deleting it. For a while I was seeing apparently empty messages, which were actually a load of pipes then the normal images, and I wouldn't have known they were spam had the copy text not worked, as they just appeared as blank messages, the images didn't appear or anything

[crystal wren]

I don't see why that would be different from what the bots log when the messages are deleted, but given we're grasping at straws... worth a shot.

[frosty echo]

At least judging by what the bot in another server sees, that can be pretty unreliable

[cyan shadow]

I missed the chance to be a test subject, I see

[crystal wren]

I mean you get the full message context including the raw body when a message is deleted which is what gets logged, so that's weird.

[crystal wren]

I mean you can be a test subject sending proper image URLs that match perfectly at risk of the Crumble-style account nuking if you really want.

[cyan shadow]

Weeeeeeell

I don't wanna get nuked

[crystal wren]

(Let's not do that again!)

[cyan shadow]

We could do a timeout though

[crystal wren]

I mean the nuking part is out of our control!

[cyan shadow]

AH

[devout vault]

Does nuking mean all your messages ever get deleted

Or just ban hammer

[cyan shadow]

Means yeet

[crystal wren]

#secret-woods message

It means it was a huge mistake to send an exact string that's being detected enough by Discord to auto-lock someone's account if it gets caught being sent by AutoMod.

[lethal walrus]

tbf i have no idea how that auto locking works

[marble jewel]

It means you're wiped from existence and no one remembers who you were

[lethal walrus]

a few of my accounts have been hit by it multiple times for the great crime of... using a modified mobile app?

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-entire-world-is-about-to-forget-that-peter-parker-is-spiderman-tom-holland-benedict-cumberbatch-peter-parker-spiderman-gif-22935649

[crystal wren]

My suspicion is that if an exact (or similar?) string is caught in AutoMod a lot in a lot of servers, Discord flags it internally as some kind of mass spam campaign, and flags accounts if they send it and it gets caught.

[lethal walrus]

probably

[devout vault]

#hashtagneverforget

[lethal walrus]

when and why was itdeleted

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/wouldnt-you-like-to-know-weather-boy-gif-15559185

[pliant snow]

All who knew the secret (woods) were silenced

[marble jewel]

IYKYK
-# I don't know

[pliant snow]

how quickly they forget...

[devout vault]

Was anybody who regularly chats here besides me, you, and Crumble actually around back then?

[pliant snow]

Moo was I think

[frosty echo]

I don't regularly chat here

[devout vault]

I was about to say, I don't see them post that often here (but definitely more than most)

to be fair I kinda forgot Moo existed until you mentioned it, since they don't actually send messages here frequently

[safe dragon]

back in my days secret woods was a channel for people with the shepherd role and that role was basically renamed to adventurer role

and now that's gone too

smh

[devout vault]

You gave away the ancient lore! How could you!

[safe dragon]

I never actually had the shepherd role

[devout vault]

I'm not 100% certain about shepherd, but adventurer wasn't an automatic-on-certain-level role, for those wondering

Me neither

[safe dragon]

I basically disappeared into a friend server for most of 2016

when I came back Lewis assumed my levels didn't get transfered when we went from Mee6 to Mayor Lewis so he gave me 50 levels

in reality I had just not spoken while Mee6 was around

[frosty echo]

It was adventurer

[crystal wren]

Speaking of roles, I'm slightly disappointed that Pathos's junimo-dev hybrid role name doesn't get brought up more often.

[devout vault]

Some people might think you are saying either:

• the bot made that decision itself
• a person names Lewis handled all the levels manually

[devout vault]

He's christmas colored!

[safe dragon]

people who don't know the person called Lewis... Or even people who never experienced the bot called Mayor Lewis...

wild

[lethal walrus]

i didnt know of human lewis

just bot lewis

[devout vault]

The gradient for my role is very hard to even see 😭

When I reach level 2000 I'm gonna demand politely pester y'all constantly for a special hybrid role

[devout vault]

People who don't know about nukebox

[crystal wren]

It really is a very subtle gradient...

[safe dragon]

idk the lore of the switch from Mayor Lewis to Governor. It came with the switch from aero's bot to aquo's one

[lethal walrus]

-# i have no idea who aero is either

[edgy lion]

Seconding the idea to manually Copy Text the spam before deleting

I just did a test (for a different thought) and found out that Carl-bot's "Message Edited" log strips percent-encoding.
(I was testing with weird Unicode characters, but couldn't get anything to bypass even the simplest AutoMod)

All that's to say I don't trust the accuracy of embeds

[safe dragon]

they made the server

[cyan shadow]

I still think it should be Pathoscat instead of Devoschild

He is a Pathoscat rn, after all

[safe dragon]

I had no idea it existed

despite having both been in this server for a very long time I think I've seen him maybe like 10 times and that includes when I was a junimo myself

an enigma

all those mythical modding channels

I only heard the siren's call when y'all added an off topic

[devout vault]

I mean, he had stopped being pathoscat for a while. I think he changed around the time I talked about missing that avatar and made pathoscat.mp4

For reference, the criminally underappreciated pathoscat.mp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8tTdU-BJ6g

[lethal walrus]

interesting videos there youtube

[devout vault]

That still exists!

Don't think anyone uses it besides my one WIP mod that I haven't touched in ages, though

[devout vault]

Ah yes, the "we have to keep the modders from having long technical tangents unrelated to modding, inside the channel where people often ask for help" channel

[safe dragon]

yes

I'm a side-effect of that

[devout vault]

We do have a surprising high amount of former junimos here

[cyan shadow]

Incredible

[devout vault]

What is this, the junimo retirement home?

[cyan shadow]

Oh fuck I left the house without my bike key

Awaaaaa

[safe dragon]

[cyan shadow]

I was supposed to go straight to the Boi's house but I shall have to go back upstairs first

[safe dragon]

only for those with a penchant for technical tangents

and quill and zoe

well, zoe is still mod

[cyan shadow]

This is one of the few channels I can visit without having TS war flashbacks

[devout vault]

I'm assuming you mean typescript and will not accept any corrections

[safe dragon]

yes

not town square

[devout vault]

...we have abbreviations for server channels?

That sounds fake

[lethal walrus]

yes people say mmg

[devout vault]

I think technically I could've been a junimo at one point, but didn't want the responsibility

[safe dragon]

ignoring that this channel would the be absolute last place in this entire server to avoid typescript flashbacks

[devout vault]

So not quite part of the junimo retirement home, more like living on the front porch

[cyan shadow]

I must say, I was not expecting my power goose "walk through the slush" move to work on snow

[devout vault]

That sounds fake, I think you dreamt up those people

[safe dragon]

Like one of those british detective series where some random resident of the town that's not part of the police force just seems to get involved anyway

you're miss marple

[devout vault]

Wow, you even photoshopped a fake discord screenshot. You're dedicated to those dreams, huh

[cyan shadow]

me rn

[safe dragon]

even doctored what other people said. That's a crime

[safe dragon]

hmmm

[cyan shadow]

[devout vault]

Pillow I understand wanting to believe your delusions are real, but you shouldn't hack discord to make them happen

[cyan shadow]

Casey

[devout vault]

Quill

[cyan shadow]

for the longest time, the abbreviation for #modded-stardew was mf

Mmg was baby mode

[safe dragon]

modded farmers is where it peaked clearly

[devout vault]

I'm not talking about the difficulty

I'm talking about having abbreviations for channel names

[safe dragon]

powerful denial

[devout vault]

It's like me having abbreviations for the different types of cups my parents have

[cyan shadow]

I'm afraid they're as real as the snow currently piled up on my balcony

[devout vault]

I can't see your balcony in person, so I'm assuming you're agreeing with me

[safe dragon]

there's no snow on either of my balconies

[crystal wren]

Quill, you know you're not meant to post AI content.

[devout vault]

You could've stolen that off google / photoshopped it / ai generated it.

I did say "in person"

[cyan shadow]

ALAB I'LL BONK YOU

[cyan shadow]

Look, I wasn't home when the snow started

[devout vault]

DH you have to change your name to Alab now

[cyan shadow]

And now I'm just lazy and also lacking a shovel

[safe dragon]

me neither

[devout vault]

or I could do this I guess

[safe dragon]

idk why there's no snow

I guess my balconies are enclosed on every side except the front

[cyan shadow]

That'll do it

Mine is fully open to the elements

[safe dragon]

my HOA sent us an email saying it is our responsibilty to keep our balconies free of snow to avoid leakages or clogged drainage pipes

[cyan shadow]

I forgot the toko in Nijmegen gave me a free calendar, I was just looking at it now like

"When did you get here"

[safe dragon]

the calendar spawned

[cyan shadow]

It spawned, with a hook that was stuck on the kitchen wall and everything

It's a nice calendar though

[devout vault]

I thought HOAs were a uniquely american version of hell

I mean, invention

My assumptions lied to me

[safe dragon]

HOAs for regular houses? Yeah that's mostly an american creation I think

but for apartment complexes you need some organisation that oversees maintenance of the public areas

and for us that's HOAs

[cyan shadow]

That's just an apartment association, yeah

They're perfectly normal

[devout vault]

but

that's apartments

It's home owners association

[cyan shadow]

My building has fuck all, it's less than 15 units anyway

[safe dragon]

vereniging van eigenaren basically directly translates to a homeowner's association

[devout vault]

That'd be a ARA (apartment renters association)

[safe dragon]

are apartments not homes

they're not houses sure

[supple ether]

You can buy apartments

[devout vault]

Hey now, this is programming off topic not philosophy off topic

[cyan shadow]

Crumb owns he apartment

[safe dragon]

yeah I bought my apartment/condo

[cyan shadow]

The lucky fuck

[devout vault]

Don't believe the lies the realtors are trying to sell you

[cyan shadow]

wails in ridiculous rent