programmers-off-topic

[devout vault]

I'd have to sit and think about it, and also consider which ones are feature creep and not really things I'd actually use or care about

[steel kraken]

Which means probably not being a repeat customer

[devout vault]

I buy sequels to games I like and never end up playing them hardly any. And sometimes the hardware type stuff too.

[steel kraken]

There's a reason there were a lot of eyes on framework when they started out, as to whether they would actually survive long enough to actually sell upgraded components you could put in your existing chassis

There's a lot less fear now then there was when they launched as they have done 3 or 4 generations of upgrades now

Along with two other base chassis

[little furnace]

My wanted feature is no scream cutout (at least not a central one) and that means already 95% of all current phones are filtered out. Add in a headphone port and only Sony remains. Add in actually getting good software for the price, and that's basically what I've been looking for for the past two years.

[hasty sinew]

Blazor settings menu 🙏

It sounds like shenanigans but it actually does help performance greatly to have controller locality

Even if it’s not very serviceable

[steel kraken]

Soldered ram helps the memory controller shenanigans doesnt

[hasty sinew]

Other way around. Soldering ram doesn’t decrease trace length meaningfully enough to matter

122mm CA/CTL/CTK vs 80mm CA/CTL/CTK makes little difference

[steel kraken]

Doesn't soldered ram bypass the need for the interface resulting in better signal integrity

[hasty sinew]

It’s about 2nCK

The signal integrity isn’t a huge factor, at least with LPDDR5, which the phones are using, since the issue isn’t signal integrity, it’s the memory controller on the CPU

[steel kraken]

And why camm memory has started to be a thing for laptops to get somewhere between sodimm and soldered

Note my complaints there were specific to laptops not phones

Phones have a z height reason to prefer soldered ram

[hasty sinew]

Yeah, I know, that’s why it’s not as big a factor
It’s a HUGE factor with UDIMM actually

SODIMM have a bunch of other issues

In any case, the beauty of it is, all memory is BGA mounted

So desoldering isn’t tooooo bad
But very beginner scary

[steel kraken]

Sorry I didn't mean memory controller I meant the SSD controller.
Mistyped on original message

[hasty sinew]

Yeah, I got what you meant, SSD controllers usually also have a local memory controller for their dram cache btw

[steel kraken]

Apple fucks with the ssds that are otherwise standard M2 ssds

[hasty sinew]

244mm UDIMM of DDR5
It’s about 160mm for an SODIMM
120 for a CAMM module
80 for direct soldered memory

That jump from 160 to 120 is nice, and 120 to 80, but the DDR5 and DDR5 devices we have today aren’t mature enough to benefit

[cinder karma]

Meanwhile I keep getting adverts for this thing

[safe dragon]

zenbooks are pretty alright I believe

the copilot thing I hope is just something they were paid to put there by Microsoft

[cinder karma]

The double screen thing, crumble

[safe dragon]

oh

I thought it just looked weird

I didn't realize the lower thing was intended to be a screen

funky

[cinder karma]

The keyboard can clip back over the second screen

Anywyas

I will give them this....it is innovative

Lol, this amuses me TechRadar https://share.google/60VYGsaGfE9QHH6NL

Anyways

If you could wave a wand and design a phone what features would you want

Tbh I honestly dont know if I should ever replace my laptop if it breaks or get a v cheap desktop

[steel kraken]

I'm happy with my pixel phones but wouldn't mind the IR blaster back from some older phones to do universal remote shenanigans that my rubber ducky can do

Dual Sim is mostly a solved problem with esim, and I don't actually need the storage that a microSD slot would offer

[dusty pollen]

I wasn't paying attention to when esim finally started getting mainstream support outside of india

but it sounds useful

[steel kraken]

Aren't us models of flagship phones esim only now

[cinder karma]

I still have dual sim and a microSD....

I also have, uh

Many GB of music

[steel kraken]

While the rest of the world still gets physical Sim models

[rain apex]

my pixel 9 is esim + sim

[cinder karma]

I dont want to do esim only b/c I swap sim cards in China

[rain apex]

so i put china sim in the 1 sim slot and esim my canada phone

[steel kraken]

My Australian pixel10 pro xl is esim+sim

[devout vault]

My dad has had a couple laptops similar to this over the past few years, so not sure about innovative 😛

[cinder karma]

Look, Casey

I have been under a fucking rock

[steel kraken]

The esim only phones iirc have two esim profile slots

[cinder karma]

The LAST time I looked was 7 y ago

[devout vault]

No wonder my laptop felt sluggish. I think I need to turn down the parallel build count

[cinder karma]

I'm lazy

[steel kraken]

And depending on the carrier it shouldn't be too hard to put the domestic esim back on it again

[cinder karma]

When you do stardew stuff do you build PC only

Or everyone

Do you rebuild the znbs every time

Or do you only rebuild code

[devout vault]

I assume you mean vanilla work not mods? The answer to that is "it's complicated"

[steel kraken]

A content pipeline build is needed for the code build to compile iirc so the stardewvalley.gamedata assembly can exist to reference

[cinder karma]

Anyways I dont think I will buy another laptop, just get a v cheap decommissioned desktop when my laptop dies lol

[steel kraken]

Get a framework and just ship of thesis it

[safe dragon]

(theseus)

[steel kraken]

That's the closest my phone autocorrect got

[safe dragon]

ur autocorrect needs to read up on Greek mythology

[steel kraken]

Its not a character in Hades or Hades 2 so is it even greek mythology

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6890 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1455724478297276458)

[regal ingot]

(Θησεύς if you want to be a dick about it 😉)

[safe dragon]

that's not even true

[cinder karma]

Why when I can get a decommissioned desktop for literally $200

[steel kraken]

Is thesis in Hades?

[safe dragon]

theseus was even once intended to be the protagonist instead of zagreus

[devout vault]

So a disclaimer that console probably works differently, and mobile might as well.

Content is primarily built using the XNA build system because compat branch (and in particular, audio stuff for it), but for actual development we usually use the MG build + monogame build stuff (most of us don't do audio changes, so that's not an really something that needs rebuilding, so we either copy it from a normal install / the CI pipeline, or just don't have audio since apparently it runs fine without those files).

However the monogame csproj isn't set up to build content, so up until recently we just manually ran a version of the CI pipeline for MG xnbs (ie. no audio) only. I got annoyed at that though, so I set up a thing where we can make local-only changes to the main csproj, so we can make it auto-run if we want.

However, despite the script already doing only modified stuff, it's still kinda slow (since it builds the content building stuff separately, this is an Exec thing I did, not part of the sln normally). So I added a step that checks for any checks to data models or content files, and only if one of those changes does it run the actual pipeline script, which is much faster if nothing changed.

Still have to do a Clean if you change branches (ex. 1.6.16 vs 1.7), since I haven't taken the time why changes aren't being detected. I suspect it's using "more recent modify time" rather than "modify time that's different at all".

[safe dragon]

wtf

[devout vault]

All the PC platforms use the same content files though

[devout vault]

Sorry for ontopic text dump jumpscare, ended up typing too much answering atra 😛

[steel kraken]

Oh is that why 1.6 has the content hash stuff now

[devout vault]

That depends, did any phd students end up needing to finish their work despite dying?

[safe dragon]

(theseus is one of the standard bosses in every single run of hades 1, with the minotaur guy)

[steel kraken]

I thought that was just pathos wanting to make it easy for smapi to detect xnb mods

[devout vault]

No there's some other reasons involved I think. Partially for SMAPI detecting XNBs, but I think it ended up being used on mobile or something too

[safe dragon]

theseus and asterius are effectively unmissable in hades so they're definitely in it

[cinder karma]

Can you do a partial xnb build or is it like

All or nothing

[steel kraken]

I'll be honest I don't remember almost anything about hades1

Hades2 I'm actually good at but I never got good at hades1

[cinder karma]

(I dont know what game you're talking about, Sinz)

[safe dragon]

as long as you remember there being a duo fight where 1 is a minotaur

[devout vault]

Uhhhh on an individual file level? No, it's all or nothing.

As a whole, yes, that's what it does. But the build script was meant for the CI pipeline, so it rebuilds the entire content build C# stuff before actually checking it all, which is why I added another layer of checks before calling said script

[rain apex]

atra u know what a greek myth is right

[cinder karma]

Yes I read the odyssey

[rain apex]

its a greek myth fanfiction game

[safe dragon]

hades is like. what if we made this an infinitely replayable videogame with a story and everyone's hot

that was the sales pitch I imagine

[rain apex]

and bi

[cinder karma]

Ok!

(I will continue to not open steam until Casey finishes 3d mod.)

[safe dragon]

I have never played hades 2 and didn't even "beat" hades 1

[cinder karma]

Every one's hot is like how video games work in general right

[devout vault]

unrelated: qt hates me specifically

[cinder karma]

Why are you laughing at me

No qt hates everyone

[devout vault]

Okay fine

[cinder karma]

(No rush, Casey, I wasn't gonna open steam anyways.)

[devout vault]

qt xml reader hates me specifically

[safe dragon]

foundational to the very concept of videogames since the introduction of Ms Pacman

[steel kraken]

I got to final boss of Hades 1 once or twice total and never beat it.

I've had a blast in hades2 and done the 1.0 endings.

[safe dragon]

Damn

I got to the final boss once I think

[steel kraken]

Hades 2 starts off much easier but eventually does become harder I think

But means it's a lot easier to learn and git good

I think hades2 default weapon is also much better than hades1 default weapon not that I can particularly remember what it even waa

[devout vault]

This is sounding like the opposite of Spelunky vs Spelunky 2

[steel kraken]

Hades 2 is balanced around not having played Hades 1

[devout vault]

(Also, I know this is probably just because qt isn't using null termination for all strings, but this is very weird looking)

[steel kraken]

No prior knowledge is needed either

8 hours from now I'll be joining you in breakpoint debugging tilesheet memory structures

[devout vault]

Hopefully I'll be done by then

(Though I'm actually just debugging XML reading)

[steel kraken]

The tmx and tbin serialisers don't handle multiple tilesets with the same name and so speedy solutions is eating one of the tilesheets

[devout vault]

Tragic

As you might've guessed from me mentioning qt, this is not in the game code 😛

[rain apex]

are u adding VR to qt

[devout vault]

no

Tiled plugin

I don't dare say lest I invoke the wrath of the non-modders in this channel

[steel kraken]

Adding VR to tiled?

[devout vault]

no

(nothing that would affect modders, to be fair)

[lethal walrus]

is adding stardew support to tiled not enough plugging in for you

you need to revolutionise tiled more??

[devout vault]

I mean, that was support for the modding side

The dev side doesn't use tbin

(SMAPI's unpacker only sees tbin because xtile packed it into tbin before packing into xnb)

[steel kraken]

Oh is vanilla still the tmex format or whatever the textual form is

That's so rare smapi doesn't actually support mods using it

[devout vault]

.tide

[steel kraken]

Yeah that

[devout vault]

It's basically just XML tbin

[steel kraken]

I knew it started with t and forgot the rest

I was cross referencing it when I was investigating the tbin cache mechanism in speedy solutions and how the serialisers worked

As I intercept tmx loads and make them load a tbin instead to skip the XML serialization and deep copies into the xTile Map data structure, when instead tbin can just binary deserialize directly into xTile Map

[devout vault]

ugh qt xml is dumb

The reader doesn't have a concept of self-closing tags in the API. It transforms into separate begin/end.

Which is a problem when dealing with both and iterating through things, and not properly skipping the contents that shouldn't exist to begin with

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6891 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1455727485282160817)

[dusty pollen]

question for the class

-# (don't ping reply I'm going to sleep immediately after asking lmao)

how do you guys usually get code onto servers

if I'm not using CI/CD I tend to either scp or set the server up as a git remote and both of those feel vaguely criminal

[cinder karma]

scp/rsync but I be a basic bitch

Or, for work, SharePoint

[dusty pollen]

wow I expected you to ask what a server is and if you can use it for knitting

[safe dragon]

cicd for work obviously. git clone and run for home server sometimes

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6892 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1455734037506293977)

[little furnace]

FTP if it needs to be quick and dirty.

[devout vault]

Last I did web dev, each person had a personal dev instance, so I just vim'd on said server directly. Some people did vscode stuff which occasionally used up tons of CPU on the dev server and had to be killed manually but anyways.

When I last did personal site stuff, I was either testing on a WAMP-type setup and FTPing when ready, or edited directly on the server using cpanel's web editor or something. (Usually the former for things that weren't just tweaks)

[cinder karma]

Assume you got $1k tomorrow. What would you do with it.

[devout vault]

throw in the bank for steam frame

If I have to spend ASAP, I'm putting towards credit card so there's room for steam frame 😛

[safe dragon]

forget it's there

assuming it's a bank transaction

maybe move it to my savings account

if I'm not allowed to save it I'd buy a very fancy food processor cause I want a food processor anyway and I might as well go fancy in that scenario

[cinder karma]

I would save it too

But probably as medium term government bonds

[rain apex]

scp and sometimes i git push/pull lol

[lethal walrus]

basically same for me tbh

[devout vault]

Anyways, if anyone was curious about more specifics about the .tide for Tiled stuff I did earlier, it's public now: https://github.com/mapeditor/tiled/pull/4308

[rain apex]

Oo i wish I had the merging feature

Or more like the power to yeet all those rotate 0 flip 0 tiles from patch export

[devout vault]

0 flip 0 tiles?

The merging is nice, does patch export / xnb unpacker not do that?

[rain apex]

No

[rain apex]

There was some jank with flipped tiles in sdv at some point so now smapi bakes the default value into the map

It fix bug but now patch export is noisy

[devout vault]

You could steal the concept, it’s a pretty naive implementation that you can do from scratch without thinking too hard. You basically just do a loop on every object which loops over every other object, only merge up/left, and only do so if the merged tile properties are strictly a subset of the original.

[devout vault]

Vanilla doesn’t have flipped/rotated tiles, I assume you mean when exporting mod patches?

[rain apex]

I think it's blindly applied to all maps atm

[rain apex]

Smh O(n^2) /j

[devout vault]

Yeahhhhhh

Technically worse actually

Since if it finds a merge it starts over

[rain apex]

The problem is uh, some sort of minimum subsets + floodfill?

[devout vault]

I wanted to be extra safe considering I wasn’t entirely sure about certain aspects.

[devout vault]

Sounds like effort.

(I say, as if I didn’t spend 8 straight hours on that PR today, and another hour earlier in the day)

[rain apex]

The intuitive approach I'd go for is 1. only allow exact matches on all props, so bucket all tiles by that first 2. do some kinda scanline fill for rectangles within each bucket

To me what I really want to learn is where be some Action and idc as much about optimizing number of rectangles

[devout vault]

Y’all might be looking at that PR and noticing it’s more well documented than most of my stuff.

Not intentionally, it’s just been coming more naturally the past few days (another example being some for some vanilla changes, but that’s obviously not visible in the decompile). The only difference is that I managed to get my HRT refilled like a week ago.

HRT improves transgender-programmer-written code quality confirmed.

[devout vault]

See I would’ve done that second thing, but tiled stores objects in a linked list, not in a grid, since this tile data thing is just a weird way of using that feature.

I could’ve changed stuff to make that a better option, but I didn’t. So instead it basically is scan line based (it has that sort of assumption in what I wrote), but with even worse computational efficiency.

Maybe I should’ve done the first thing. Maybe the maintainer will want merging only for that first scenario. We shall see.

But anyways it’s late and I need sleep.

[hushed raven]

I've recently been looking into the river window manager because I can have different layouts per display and I am loving it! works flawlessly which is something I didn't expect on old hardware

[steel kraken]

For work stuff in cloud environments its all CI/CD.
for the current work stuff im doing thats onprem, its sftp or ssh and copy+paste.

For personal stuff its historically been sftp or git clone. most recent project I experimented with vscode server and was a good time.

[dusty pollen]

git remote is one of my favourite ways for when I don't want to keep using scp

you set up an empty repo on the server, add it as a remote on your local repo, and set receive.denyCurrentBranch to updateInstead

all you have to do is make sure the working tree on the remote is clean when you push

and it will automatically update the files on push

even when servers can handle remote vscode, my laptop usually can't lmao

[steel kraken]

I don't do peer to peer / direct git, I just push to my opensource github repos and then pull from origin

[dusty pollen]

I just like minimising the steps I have to do manually on the server haha

[hushed raven]

I have a local git service running on my server so I just toss a repo on there with a list of names for the repos I want to have on there, then everyday it just loops through the and git pulls, if I want to add another I just add that repo name to the original repo

usually there will be an init script in the repo too that gets it all set up to run properly after the pull has finished

[dusty pollen]

but I want to see the changes immediately

[hushed raven]

make a neat little hardware button that you bash to pull immediatly, makes it more fun too XD

[steel kraken]

back in the php days (and to a lesser extent pre-build tools web development) I would just do that via sftp and have it set to auto sync on file save

[pliant snow]

I feel like all these complex git sync setups could be replaced by a single line rsync script and a configuration to run it every time your editor saves

It would be entirely on your client, no configuring your server at all

[dusty pollen]

that will probably require more configuration than my single line git setup lmao

[rain apex]

I only do the git thing if it's already a git repo anyways

[safe dragon]

don't think I ever have code that isn't in a git repo

[cinder karma]

I do ||kill me now it's worse version managers||

[pliant snow]

git is a useful tool, but it gets a bit over used

[cinder karma]

Smth funny at work

We cant use git but we literally use gitlab as our jira

It works!

[steel kraken]

Git ensures whatever is in the repo is what the servers running plus or minus some server specific config.
And don't need to maintain different ignore Configs (wouldnt want to rsync a node_modulee folder)

[safe dragon]

for personal projects I pretty much just use git for cloud storage

via github

[steel kraken]

Malware authors also have used it as cloud storage

[safe dragon]

mongobleed goes brr

mine are private repos...

[steel kraken]

The shai halud worm from a month or two ago had victims upload their shit to public GitHub repos

[pliant snow]

I'm pretty sure rsync can use a .gitignore file as its ignore file list as well

[safe dragon]

but why learn something new when I have something that works

[pliant snow]

hey, they were asking

[cinder karma]

Does rsync support a gitignore tree

You should see how godawful my grep alias is these days

[devout vault]

Don't you have to do some setup to make a server act as a git server though? Like, there's no socket/protocol being monitored in git by default, rght?

[devout vault]

<perforce flashbacks>

[dusty pollen]

it's just a regular ssh server

[devout vault]

Sounds suspiciously like setup to me 😛

[dusty pollen]

I'm using a rented server so it has ssh on by default

because that's how I connect to it

[devout vault]

Oh I thought you meant its own

How in the world does having a git repo on a machine auto sync it if you git push to said URL (with SSH)

[devout vault]

smh my tiled PR wasn't merged in the 8 hours since I made it

[dusty pollen]

that's just how git remotes work! you don't have to pull to them

[devout vault]

to be fair this is probably a slight problem

Oh, VS was dumb and autoincluded some things

And so it fails on the CI where it uses mingw

I forgot VS was dumb like that, it's been so long since I really used it for C++

[cinder karma]

D'awww doggo

(If it is a discord glitch and not dog pictures please do not inform me.)

[dusty pollen]

it is dog pictures

I believe the glitch only shows you media you've already seen

[pliant snow]

oh is that an actual feature? I thought you were having to actually trigger it on the server somehow

[devout vault]

does this count as properly off topic, or is it too close to on topic

[safe dragon]

I'll accept it

[pliant snow]

A "don't you die on me" donation

[safe dragon]

"plz I don't want to have to migrate"

[devout vault]

important addendum

[safe dragon]

CA and redigit keeping monogame's lights on

damn I used the metaphor as your meme

now I'm lame

I'm glad they've still never changed this cutscene

[sonic mirage]

"Here's some money, plz fix monobug"

[safe dragon]

absolutely fucked up bed placed diagonally in the middle of the room

like god intended

[devout vault]

I mean we have a steam branch with a test fix for it already 😛

Not sure if it's outright public or if it's "password given to anyone with the issue". You can ask Pathos if you need access.

I can't even recall what the monobug is, and if it's something weird about SDV or something that could be used upstream

It'll be merged into 1.6.16 I think?

[dusty pollen]

it is in the sense that you don't need to fetch, and a single line of config makes it actually pull immediately too (receive.denyCurrentBranch = updateInstead)

[sonic mirage]

My understanding is the whole reason we have to keep the old compat version (that locks us to old .NET) is for the tiny number of people that run into monobug

If it was fully eliminated at the "source" then it would free up having to even think about the compat branch and being locked to old .NET. That was the joke, at least

[devout vault]

I believe the old compat version is for different compat reasons. One example is 32bit vs 64bit, I think?

Or maybe it's monobug too and I'm misremembering

I'm not sure steam itself still supports 32bit, but it did back when compat branch was made

[sonic mirage]

I believe Steam recently dropped 32bit support

Or at least their launcher did

[devout vault]

Most recent I knew was dropping windows 7, I thought dropping 32bit was older

[sonic mirage]

"As of January 1 2026, Steam will stop supporting systems running 32-bit versions of Windows. Windows 10 32-bit is the only 32-bit version that is currently supported by Steam and is only in use on 0.01% of systems reported through the Steam Hardware Survey. Windows 10 64-bit will still be supported and 32-bit games will still run."

[safe dragon]

on windows steam dropped 32 bit support meanwhile on linux they don't have a 64 bit version

they're effectively the sole reason people on arch still have the multilib repo enabled

steam obviously supports 32 bit and 64 bit games either way

[sonic mirage]

That's surprising given SteamOS being Linux

[safe dragon]

they have some random dependencies stuck in 32 bit I believe

tbh idk if I want to see the steam application code

considering they have like 24 different button stylings I can't imagine it's a clean codebase

[sonic mirage]

Am I remembering correctly that >4GB of RAM not being possible on 32bit was just a Windows issue and Linux 32bit could use >4GB just fine?

[devout vault]

I do know. The answer is most definitely that I do not want to see it

[safe dragon]

not strictly impossible but yeah generally you can't

[devout vault]

I mean 2^32 has a limit of 4 GB of address space, so if so I assume it abuses RAM virtualization for processes and would use 64bit internally

[safe dragon]

it was a primary motivation for when visual studio went 64 bit in 2022

[devout vault]

Like 2^32 is the number of bytes in 4 GB

[safe dragon]

you can go beyond that with PAE but yeah

[sonic mirage]

Can't wait to run into the 16 exabyte (16 billion gigabytes) limit of 64bit /s

[devout vault]

Okay generative AI data center

[cinder karma]

Working on it, voltaek

We can simulate more transistor

And more transistor

And in more and more detail

[cinder karma]

Iirc Linux was monogame earlier

[devout vault]

Yes, for a while Mac/Linux was MonoGame while Windows was XNA

There was also a space in the windows SDV assembly name, but not in the mac/linux one

Hence this in SMAPI's compat rewrite code

...and that code's predecessor https://github.com/ClxS/Stardew-Farmhand/pull/130

[safe dragon]

u know I don't think I've ever checked whether ToArray() on a list actually allocates a new array or just returns the underlying array structure

I assume it allocates

[devout vault]

I would hope a new one, for the sake of writing to it

[safe dragon]

yeah

[cinder karma]

Allocates

[safe dragon]

maybe it's smart sometimes and know it's unnecessary but that'd be an optimization pass

[cinder karma]

Use CollectionsMarshall to take a view of the underlying array if you want speeeed

[safe dragon]

like if the original list goes out of scope immediately after there's no risk

[safe dragon]

been there

shoutout to spans once again

[cinder karma]

Well you would also have to resize the underlying array tbh

Fucking love spans mannnnnn

When I die put that on my gravestone

[devout vault]

I found evidence for my memory of Pathos's implementation of cross platform loading being at least inspired by mine. 😛

(No proof though, because that conversation happened on either the now-defunct SMAPI discord server, or the (if it existed?) now-defunct Farmhand discord server. I have no messages here or DMs with Pathos unti early 2017, though it's possible I had older messages in the apocryphyal #multiplayer-mod channel here)

If there's a SDV code crime that can possibly be done, I've probably done it

[devout vault]

Also, I'm mildly annoyed that msbuild has no way to make a custom target:

• rebuild when the input list itself changes (ie. a file was removed, but none of the file contents have changed, so a rebuild doesn't trigger)
• use "input file modified date has changed at all" rather than "input file modified date is newer than last build" (ie. you can't automatically incremental rebuild when changing branches, you need to do a full clean and rebuild)

I'm having to use temporary txt files to track this stuff, which is annoying.

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/MiUHjLxm3V0?si=_Q9uoK_AErHhH3Y-

God I love science

[safe dragon]

science is evil

[devout vault]

Is this about the extreme ultraviolet lithography stuff

[cinder karma]

Yes

My beloved science

[devout vault]

A lot of technology seems like super complex carefully designed rube goldberg machines to do precisely what reality does not what us to be able to do.

[cyan shadow]

I've watched so many of ASML's litho explanations by now istg

[sand frost]

Cat

[cinder karma]

Adorable

[sand frost]

Spot the cat

[cinder karma]

ADORABLE

[sand frost]

(This cat was incredibly small and cute in person, probably a kitten but I’m no expert)

[cinder karma]

Pain is trying to find the specific tab in this bank's website after they did a redesign

[devout vault]

oh god amazon has a popup for an AI shopping assistant now

Also why does basically every AI thing use sparkles for their icon

Maybe not fully, but at least partially

Sometimes when typing in search, all the suggestions go away and only leaves a "Ask Rufus about this" entry

Ah yes, my favorite time between morning and evening. Moon

The product description uses "Pls" (as in 'please')

Several times

Does that mean this is gonna be the best battery replacement ever, or the worst to ever exist

Feels like there's a good chance for either

[lethal walrus]

Aren't those at least 2 different 3ds models

[devout vault]

Okay, first all: It sounds like this implicitly has a "or else".

Second of all: how do you use the entire charge three times before charging it at all

[devout vault]

I'm honestly not sure if they're all 3ds

[lethal walrus]

One is new 2 or 3 xl, one is base 3ds or ds lite

[devout vault]

I haven't seen 3ds models that are basically full screen surface on the top

[lethal walrus]

I think that's the new 3ds xl in the bottom right

New 3ds bottom left, base model 3ds top right

[lethal walrus]

Some of them seem to be all screen and other have edges from my quick sesrhcing

[devout vault]

It has a 4.4 star average over 639 reviews. But it's also got 35 options (various android phones, various iphones, psp, etc.)

[lethal walrus]

The thing is you can still buy new batteries from nintendo for the XLs iirc, since they're just switch pro controller batteries

[lethal walrus]

That's one highly versatile battery

[devout vault]

Nah each model is a different battery

Same product page

[lethal walrus]

never could've guessed

[ivory shadow]

Clearly they must come charged to 300% /s

[pliant snow]

You'll want to go to #1272025932932055121 this is for general programming chat

[hexed forge]

Ty

[devout vault]

sees a pinned comment on a YT video saying how a lot of people are saying how he says "query" weird

watches said video

hears the exact same way I say query

[terse galleon]

queer-y?

[safe dragon]

yeah queer-y

no idea why cause that goes against my intuition but it seems to be the way it's usually pronounced

I've learnt not to question English pronunciation

[terse galleon]

oh i was gonna say i think quare-y (rhymes with square) is more common

[safe dragon]

that one makes more sense to me

idk

[devout vault]

That's the way I pronounce it

quare-y is for databases, queer-y is for the vibes a TV show gives off when they clearly want to be super gay but the execs won't let them

[lethal walrus]

People say quare-y?? I am shocked. This has utterly shifted my worldview on English pronounciation

[devout vault]

Another layer is how you pronounce the y, I guess?

Like to make it more unambiguous, I pronounce it quare-ee

[terse galleon]

'kwɛ.ɹi

[lethal walrus]

I say queer-ee
I hope there's nobody that says quare-eye

[terse galleon]

quare eye for the straight guy

[devout vault]

I could accept quare-eye, but only as a substitute for plural quare-ee

[little furnace]

Isn't it qu-ry? Because if there's one thing I've learnt about English, it's that the e is more often silent than not.

[devout vault]

Oh, the monsters on various webtoon (and many others, I'm sure) series aren't crying "kreeeee" when they get attacked? They're "qury"ing you on why you're hurting them?

Makes sense, why didn't I realize that before

[little furnace]

Absolutely. They are actually just peaceful.

[dusty pollen]

qu makes a “kw” sound whenever you see it unless it’s “que” at the end of a word

[little furnace]

Queue?

[dusty pollen]

and except for that one

those are the main two exceptions

(that one is kyoo)

[devout vault]

Number 1 rule of english: The rules don't always apply

[little furnace]

I always thought that was the origin of the word query. It's like you place a request in a queue and wait for a response. So I always said kyo-ry.

[devout vault]

"What about a rule that really does apply all the time?"
Did you forget that the number 1 rule is also one of said rules

[devout vault]

blocked (/s)

[little furnace]

Now I know why people were asking me about that J-Curry library I was talking about.

[dusty pollen]

words with qu=kw: quake, quest, query, queen, equal, equestrian, quality, quandary, quiet, quite, request, etc etc

[devout vault]

Who doesn't know about the well known javascript currying library?

[dusty pollen]

(fun fact: for some reason I thought of bequest before I did request)

[devout vault]

I was gonna make a semi-serious comment but then I realized I was confusing currying for swizzling

[dusty pollen]

bequeath!

[devout vault]

...that's a word?

[little furnace]

It's really a must-have. I never make my curry the manual way again.

[devout vault]

I'm not sure I've ever had curry

...since I'm assuming eating it on kirby games doesn't count

[little furnace]

I mean, Kirby already counts for 50% of anything, so...

I love the cute little pink ball.

But I highly recommend trying curry at least once.

[sand frost]

I feel like there might be a noun verb thing going on

I qware-ee the database with a queer-y?

[devout vault]

That's worse than any other option mentioned previously

blocked (not /s) (/s)

[cinder karma]

I agree with u

[steel kraken]

I am queer-y all the way, qware-ee is too american for my tastes.

that being said depending on if its SQL Server or a different database will be if its sequal or ess-que-ell

[prisma flume]

you can argue about query vs. quary all you want but it won't stop northerners from saying quury

[steel kraken]

other one is JWT being jay double-you tea vs Jot

[little furnace]

Not Jute?

I always pronounce W "whee" because that's two syllables shorter than "double-you".

[devout vault]

I have never called any sort of SQL sequel

And hopefully never will

[prisma flume]

ah but you've surely used Squeal

or the very rare Sqool

[lethal walrus]

I think i normslly say Squeelite for sqlite, and I don't use sql in other contexts enough but I think I say sequel

[rain apex]

I hear people say sequel server for Microsoft SQL server

But people rarely say postgre sequel instead of postgres Q L

[devout vault]

Why not post gresq L

[rain apex]

How do u say gresq besides gres Q

[prisma flume]

haskell and postgresql is one of my favourite fairy tales

[lethal walrus]

Gresk

[lethal walrus]

Tell us the fairy tale of haskell and poatfegrws

[worn remnant]

poatfegrws

[devout vault]

poatfegrws

[robust quarry]

poatfegrws

[heavy dagger]

poatfegrws

[robust quarry]

...dammit can't quote the bot

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by p.llow as #6894 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1456490147003502642)

New quote added by p.llow as #6895 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1456488655211335781)

[cinder karma]

Happy New Year to everyone EXCEPT the person who created the social security number

[lethal walrus]

123 4567 890
Thanks I have now done identity theft this isnvery secure

[devout vault]

It is, considering that’s the wrong number of digits

Also from what I understand the SSN system wasn’t originally intended to be something that needed security and such

[lethal walrus]

I've never needed to know a ssn
Our ssn equivalents are like 30 digits long at least

[devout vault]

Wow that’s more digits than I have memorized of pi

[lethal walrus]

Idk it might not be 30

[devout vault]

How many digits are allocated to social, and how many to security

Ours seems to be like one or two allocated to security, but they want you to think it’s the other way around

[cinder karma]

The bright side is when I went to set up my social security login, it let me use a 2fa physical key!

Yay!

[safe dragon]

you could show me my own ssn and I wouldn't know it's mine

I read the ssn off my ID for the once every few years occurrence where I need it

ok technically I don't have an ssn, I have a csn (citizen service number)

[steel kraken]

In Australia I guess we have two different main numbers that the US abuse SSN to do.
We have tax file numbers that banks and employers want, and Medicare card numbers for healthcare stuff which does change every 5 or 10 years or so iirc

[cinder karma]

The one that I hate and that really terrifies me is that someone could take my social, make a brokerage account at another bank, and ask my bank to transfer my brokerage account over

I'm less afraid someone will take a loan out in my name as my credit is frozen

[steel kraken]

For identity purposes for us it's mainly drivers licence or passport or a mix of other stuff like birth certificate and other stuff

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/100_point_check

[cinder karma]

It's weird

The first time I signed up for my social security account, I had to drive to the local SS office and give them my physical passport

[steel kraken]

I feel like any serious attempt to fix the US's SSN over reliance would probably immediately get sued into oblivion for first amendment or other constitutional issues with freedom or whatever

[safe dragon]

tbh almost everything here these done with our digid account (digital id)

like even if I were to try and log into my health insurance account I'd do so via my digital id

it's pretty convenient tbh

and it's more secure than relying on some identifier someone could just read from my id

even though we've had the system for well over a decade I do know it still sometimes happen that some elderly folks don't have one and that has become increasingly complicated as more and more government or government-adjacent services rely on it as the primary authentication method

or expats

sucks to be them smh

[cinder karma]

The AI browser Opera has a feature I would actually like but also do i stoop as low as using an AI browser

[pliant snow]

isn't Opera really sketchy these days

[rain apex]

How do they have so much money to spend on youtuber ads

[devout vault]

The youtuber ad thing seems so weird to me

I've never seen any other web browser sponsor youtube videos

[fleet wren]

Opera was one of the big 5 browsers back in the day

still is top 5, but the browser landscape is that Chrome is the sole big 1 so it doesn't sound as impressive

so: big enough to have money to throw ads at youtubers, but not so big as to make them unnecessary

I'd say a lot of their current goodwill/name recognition/marketshare comes from all the way back from the Opera Mobile days (when they legitimately had some groundbreaking innovations), even if nowadays they're indistinguishable from the dime a dozen Chrome clones

[crystal wren]

I used to use Opera when it wasn't just Chrome... a long time ago.

[cinder karma]

I've used Firefox for a decade

Also for reals for reals why a lisp, cadence

Fun fact I learned last night....apparently if you own any shares of berkshire, you get 8% off geico car insurance

Sponsored Marketing Program | GEICO https://share.google/cMoieBZM4B0LLHNm0

[lethal walrus]

i am shockingly surprised that it looped through 44m elements in a reasonable time

for (const i in lines) {
    const line = lines[i]!
    const [k, v] = line.split(':')
    if (!k || !v) {
        console.warn(`skipping line ${i}`)
        continue
    }
    dict[k?.trim()!] = JSON.parse(v!);
}

console.log(Object.keys(dict).length)

const many = Object.keys(dict).flatMap(key => dict[key]!.map((value: string) => [key, value]))
console.log(many.length)

[safe dragon]

44 million isn't that much to a pc if the actual action is cheap

[supple ether]

It's easy to forget how fast computers actually are when there's so many layers of abstraction

[devout vault]

Also, human brain struggle with big number

My CPU has a base rate of 3.2 GHz it looks like? Which from a quick search seems to be like 4 billion operations per second

Yeah, that's just cycles, but still

It sounds baffling

[dusty pollen]

in fairness this is js and it tends not to be the most efficient language out there

[devout vault]

Oh, JS? ew

[dusty pollen]

looks like it

gotta love js, a language whose accepted answer for how to cast to bool is !!var

[safe dragon]

(per core)

fun stuff

but yeah javascript is doing a whole lot more than is actually necessary

[dusty pollen]

yesterday I learned about js Atomics and used them to make proper mutexes for my discord bot

[safe dragon]

allocating that much memory also already takes a fair amount of time

and javascript isn't particularly good at efficient memory allocations

javascript has atomics?

[dusty pollen]

and by not particularly good you mean doesn’t try to be

[safe dragon]

for what?

for when you use web workers?

[dusty pollen]

it has atomic operations on arrays

[safe dragon]

even a node server is singlethreaded (for some godforsaken reason)

[dusty pollen]

js is inherently async and can be multithreaded in some contexts

[safe dragon]

it do be async that's true

it's a little too async

[dusty pollen]

I had to mutex my discord bot because despite being single threaded, functions were still running “at the same time”

[safe dragon]

[dusty pollen]

and I was having them write to the same file so when one would read, the other would write, and the first would write based on what it read, obviously chaos ensued

(my initial method with bools and if statements was working okay but I wanted one that was actually properly resistant to those issues, not just “mostly unless I got really unlucky about timing”)

[safe dragon]

"I'll just pray that doesn't happen" is my favorite approach to dealing with data races

rust doesn't lilke that tho and forces you to actually handle them

which is why rust is bad

thankfully there's other types of races even rust doesn't protect you from

and you can still deadlock

🙏

[devout vault]

there's plenty of other reasons too

[cinder karma]

Python also has atomics

Fun fact

Also they suck

[little furnace]

I opened Discord and read #pregnant-off-topic and wondered what server that was.

[pliant snow]

You might need glasses

[little furnace]

I have glasses.

[pliant snow]

You might need two glasses

[little furnace]

Two for each eye?

[pliant snow]

yes

[little furnace]

Maybe.

Good idea.

Thank you.

[pliant snow]

My pleasure

[safe dragon]

if you're not pregnant you're not welcome here

[steel kraken]

Tbh knowing how often this channel changes name briefly there's a chance it actually was that for a minute

[modest steppe]

pregonant?

[little furnace]

I need someone to [censored].

Well, donation exists.

[safe dragon]

it's ok I've played the sims I know aliens are required for pregnancy

[little furnace]

I luckily played Majora's Mask, I know how to deal with aliens.

[devout vault]

While I would need that as well, as a trans woman I’m afraid I’d also need some serious technological advances as well.

…perhaps two sets of serious technological advances, depending on if my theoretical wife is cis (or also trans in most cases)

[crystal wren]

...aliens? I've never played a post-2D Zelda game, so um...

[devout vault]

I’m choosing to believe you’ve never played any game after the 2D Zelda’s, not simply any Zelda game since

[crystal wren]

Any game at all? I've played some!

[modest steppe]

do u mean that Alien from Alien

[devout vault]

Yes, any game at all.

I don't believe you, the wording in your first message clearly said any game at all, and we all know clarifications after the fact don't count

[modest steppe]

i mean, this implies DH never played stardew valley but he is a modder, so

[crystal wren]

This is a "let's eat grandma" parsing situation, isn't it?

[modest steppe]

you're going to do what to grandma

[devout vault]

Yeah we all know modders don't play

[crystal wren]

You know that one! Let's eat, grandma, but without the comma becomes...

[modest steppe]

this is why commas are important

[devout vault]

I love all of the "this is why commas are important" memes

[modest steppe]

"i miss my wife, tails" =/= "i miss my wife tails"

(yes all i know is old meme)

[crystal wren]

I mean given my insistence on getting a mod out for Haunted Chocolatier on ideally day 1, my first encounter with that is likely going to be decompiling it, so um...

[modest steppe]

caught

[devout vault]

That one doesn't work quite as well because it'd need to be "wife's tails"

[modest steppe]

i mean like, without the comma i'd imagine the wife is tails

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/kaguya-kaguya-sama-love-is-war-sharingan-naruto-gif-21426554

Bold of you to think you'll be able to be first

[pliant snow]

It works, ones is saying their wife is tails, the second is saying it to tails

[devout vault]

Hmm

[crystal wren]

Hey, I technically said on day one, not necessarily first first.

Though first would be good.

[modest steppe]

should i be clarifying tails is a sonic character

race to decompile HC

[crystal wren]

This is #pregnant-off-topic. I think we're all well aware of Sonic automatically.

[devout vault]

I'll allow it but I feel like saying "I miss my wife, <name>" makes a lot more sense in general to be saying to <name>, since otherwise I feel like you'd say "I miss <name>" or "I miss my wife"

[devout vault]

I too have watched the snapcube fandub

[pliant snow]

I have several wives, so I need to specify whom I'm referring to

[modest steppe]

[devout vault]

Oh

That makes more sense then

I guess you just don't miss your other wives

[modest steppe]

my wives, Tailes, Amy, Rogue

some of these names are not like the others

[pliant snow]

well yeah, if I missed them that badly I wouldn't have married other women

[steel kraken]

Unfortunately I'm only touching hc if it has multiplayer or Casey mods multiplayer in

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6896 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1456756856117657764)

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6897 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1456758557692264498)

[devout vault]

Remind me in 5 years if SinZ kept their promise (quote 6897)

[little furnace]

I was playing Tetris and missed Sonic talk, oh gosh, I love Sonic.

[heavy dagger]

Got it, kittycatcasey (#7015978) (5y | <t:1925068762>)

[cinder karma]

Prove it

[devout vault]

(I feel like it's safe to assume HC will be out by then? But despite what y'all may believe I don't know any more on that front than y'all do)

[little furnace]

Same. If AI wants to prove that it's useful it needs to do something there.

[steel kraken]

Seeing how long 1.6 took and how long 1.6.16 and 1.7 are taking, it's like 30% odds hc is out by then

[devout vault]

...I am not trusting AI to design organs

[little furnace]

Me neither, but what do I have to lose?

[modest steppe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2xZxYaGlfs

this feels topical

wouldn't trust something that has a crashout over emojis to design anything

[devout vault]

Or anything involving my body, really. Full dive tech may be a pipe dream that I would never trust since practically speaking it would need invasive stuff on your brain to do, but if AI is involved there will be another 10 mile pole taped at the end of the first one

[rain apex]

What r the chances that HC will have native mp code

[devout vault]

Mozart is now blocking my view of this chat

[cinder karma]

Cat tax

[modest steppe]

he wants to shield u

[rain apex]

Does mozart know about netmutexes

[little furnace]

Rouge because she's modern Sonic only?

[cinder karma]

Dh also needs to prove that he has played at least one (1) video game

[modest steppe]

i mean,,, Tails, Knuckles.... and Amy

don't ask me about Shadow

[devout vault]

I get why people say that but isn't that straightforward, CA isn't doing all of every update including ports and every bugfix himself 😛

[devout vault]

I would never burden him with such knowledge

[fleet wren]

fairly low judging from the last update

[devout vault]

...what are we defining as modern sonic here

[modest steppe]

well its also a noun

everyones a noun besides Amy

...is sonic a noun

[devout vault]

Technically every name is a noun

[steel kraken]

Eggman

[devout vault]

A proper one, but still

[little furnace]

Everything post-Adventure excluding Mania and Superstars. And the spin-offs like Boom.

[modest steppe]

i mean,,,, eggman...

[devout vault]

That sounds super cherry pick -y

[modest steppe]

man is a noun, egg is a noun

noun squared

[little furnace]

I think that's kinda the official timeline.

[devout vault]

First sonic game was 1991. Sonic adventure was 1998

[steel kraken]

This year is sonic 40th right

Or was this a 35

[devout vault]

Modern sonic has lasted longer than non-modern sonic with that definition

[pliant snow]

...this is a good question

[modest steppe]

time isnt real

[steel kraken]

.define sonic

[heavy dagger]

adjective: utilizing, produced by, or relating to sound waves; broadly : of or involving sound

[pliant snow]

I think it's an adjective?

[cinder karma]

Selph! You're here!

[rain apex]

Wow

[pliant snow]

like cyber

[rain apex]

.define tails

[heavy dagger]

noun: the rear end or a process or prolongation of the rear end of the body of an animal

[modest steppe]

rear

[pliant snow]

It was 1991, so this is the 35th

[little furnace]

"Classic Sonic", as Sega calls him, is mute when he appears alongside "Modern Sonic". So when Sonic started talking, that was "Modern Sonic".

[safe dragon]

sonic screwdriver

[rain apex]

Is modern sanic when he got taller and skinnier

[modest steppe]

Tails is a fox right

[safe dragon]

a kitsune fox I'd assume

[red crest]

CA literally said there were no plans for multiplayer, no?

[pliant snow]

He does have one voice line in Sonic CD tho

[modest steppe]

what animals are half the cast

[little furnace]

Yes, that.

[modest steppe]

knuckles - echidna
tails - fomx
amy - ???

[little furnace]

Also hedgehog.

[modest steppe]

sonic - hedhog

[steel kraken]

I remember seeing this a day or two ago but forgot which games was which

[devout vault]

I saw this too

[little furnace]

There are four hedgehogs: Sonic, Amy, Shadow and Silver.

[modest steppe]

amy is a hedhedog?

[little furnace]

Yes.

[modest steppe]

i refuse to spell it correctly

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-amy-rose-3d-animation-sfm-happy-smile-gif-10298488382570122134

[little furnace]

I'm not bothered by your lack of spelling etiquette.

[modest steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic-x-good-nice-gif-17028540784682108672

these are the same species?

[little furnace]

Classic Amy:

Official artwork.

[modest steppe]

see that look more like a hedgho

[devout vault]

I know it's not even the same company, but the official zelda timeline is also utter nonsense, so I'm inclined to kinda ignore official timelines of long running franchises

[rain apex]

Smh putting persona instead of megami tensei

[modest steppe]

official timelines can always be worse

[steel kraken]

Its persona 30th not smt 30th, smt is presumably even older

[modest steppe]

heck yeah sonic channel

[little furnace]

I mean, the timeline is: There is Classic Sonic, then there was a soft reboot to 3D, then everything is kinda canon except when it isn't depending on what the current writer wants. And because of time travel Classic Sonic appeared next to Modern Sonic in one game, but the next game retconned that as different dimensions (same writers), then it was retconned again to time travel, so...

[devout vault]

Like it was bad enough before, but now BotW is at the end of every timeline simultaneously somehow? (Especially weird considering the whole thing with the one WW is on is that they left hyrule entirely and the game isn't even nearby (ie. spirit tracks))

And totk is right after but uh, where did some of the things in botw go then

[modest steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/big-hug-gif-27070015

they gave them, cat ears

[cinder karma]

Ooh

Is this channel for audiophile now

[devout vault]

Modern human is when the person hits puberty, got it

(/s)

[modest steppe]

anatomy of sonic characters be like ???

[pliant snow]

I shall now refer to my childhood as my classic era

[little furnace]

Let's not ignore the fact that half of the games are set after a Game Over in OoT.

[little furnace]

Sonic naming is worse.

[pliant snow]

One of the very first forums I ever joined were about discussing the zelda timeline lol

turns out we were all wrong

[little furnace]

This is Big the Cat:

[modest steppe]

he is big

[devout vault]

I think it's funny how sonic 06 canonically retconned itself

[little furnace]

Did the CD-i Zelda games also retcon themselves?

Fun fact: I 100%ed them.

[pliant snow]

On a physical CD-i?

[devout vault]

I mean timeline splits based on something that did/didn't happen don't bother me as much as how the heck do you merge timelines

[little furnace]

Unfortunately not.

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6898 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1456762179939467265)

[pliant snow]

Ah shit I knew this would happen

[devout vault]

This is the one true zelda timeline and you can't convince me otherwise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-25c8Rsobw

[pliant snow]

I'll hold her off, you all save yourselves

[bronze fox]

I WAS ALERTED OF THE SLANDER

[pliant snow]

HE'S A ROBOT

[little furnace]

Sowwy!!!!

[bronze fox]

A HEDGEHOG ROBOT

[little furnace]

But we also need to count Mecha Sonic then.

[bronze fox]

yes he is a hedgehog too

[devout vault]

Blaze > Big

[pliant snow]

IS TAILS DOLL A REAL FOX

[devout vault]

whistles innocently

[little furnace]

Fair enough. Sorry.

[devout vault]

Does me being a woman mean I'm not human, smh

[fleet wren]

what about Scour- gets dragged offscreen by SEGA ninjas

[pliant snow]

Nintendo showed up, decided they cared about the timeline for exactly long enough to make it complicated, then just left and stopped even bothering

[bronze fox]

maybe. ask him ..

[little furnace]

Obviously not, otherwise we had to grant you human rights. That's absurd.

[bronze fox]

i'm just being silly

[devout vault]

Also, not to inevitably bring forth a jade lore dump, but mecha sonic is a real and separate entity from leta sonic?

[crystal wren]

I knew the channel being named what it was would lure Jade out.

[rain apex]

Just so y'all know at least 40% of what i know of sonic comes from this flash animation thing that put mario and sonic in some kinda dragon ball z plot

[bronze fox]

yes mecha sonic and metal sonic are 2 different characters (i assume the leta was a typo)

[rain apex]

Where metal sonic is the perfect cell analog

[devout vault]

.s/the timeline/the esports scene/

[pliant snow]

Yes, in Sonic Adventure they're both in the same room

[little furnace]

#pregnant-off-topic?

[bronze fox]

scourge was a real one 🥀

[devout vault]

...did the channel name even change.

Because I would love plausible deniability for #programmers-off-topic message

[cinder karma]

It was for a half second

[steel kraken]

It was briefly sonic-offtopic

[cinder karma]

Hence the audiophile joke

[devout vault]

I don't remember much of SA1, only SA2

[little furnace]

More like Penders Ninjas.

[little furnace]

Wait, really?

[devout vault]

Oh that's where that came from

So yes jade totally saw the split second channel name change and that's why she came here. 100000%

Totally wasn't a forwarded message saying "metal sonic erasure on maincord"

[little furnace]

Basically, the core team made Sonic 2 in the US, a single dev wanted to port Sonic 1 to the add-on called Sega CD, but he was feeling creative and made a completely new game called Sonic CD, and both had the idea to include a robot duplicate of Sonic, so that's why there are two different robot duplicates.

[pliant snow]

One guy didn't make all of Sonic CD tho

[pliant snow]

Yeah, they're both in like, liquid tubes in eggman's base

[little furnace]

Yeah, I meant a single dev of the original team, sorry.

[devout vault]

I can't believe you're spreading sonic misinformation on the server owned by the person with a metal sonic profile picture

[bronze fox]

i leave you all with some propaganda i drew. enjoy programming. fades into distance

[devout vault]

Programming in #programmers-off-topic is less frequent than you might think

But don't tell the junimos we're like double off topic here

[little furnace]

I want to get hired at Sega and then secretly infiltrate the company to take ownership of the Sonic brand.

And then I'll reintroduce the Freedom Fighters and make Sallicole canon.

[devout vault]

Well if you manage, be very careful about your canon changes or jade might hunt you down

[steel kraken]

Alpharad iirc is irl friends with the person that runs the official sonic YouTube channel and uses the official account to comment on his videos, even when not sonic related

[devout vault]

Some things might be forgiven if you have them make a game focused on metal sonic (assuming that meets expectations)

[little furnace]

Don't worry, they will be from a different planet in my version. I just want the characters back, not the lore.

[little furnace]

On it.

[pliant snow]

please, we already got a metal sonic game

[steel kraken]

Just throw the twilight plot at it and have metal sonic and robot sonic fight over amy

[pliant snow]

we don't need a second

[cinder karma]

What about a plastic sonic game

[devout vault]

when

[little furnace]

It will be a game where you play as Sonic and everyone hates you and pretends Metal is the real Sonic, and then in the end you realize you've been Metal all along.

[pliant snow]

It was a Sonic 4 bonus if you owned both episode 1 and 2 on the same system

[devout vault]

Oh. Hmm.

[bronze fox]

THAT DOESN'T COUNT AND YOU FUCKING KNOW IT

ok sorry i said i would leave SORRY GANG SORRY

[devout vault]

Well I can't argue with that

[bronze fox]

aquo ur supposed to be my homie

[devout vault]

No, stay and enlighten us on everything thats actually just misinformation about sonic

[little furnace]

How does it not?!

[pliant snow]

She hasn't even played it

[bronze fox]

well aquo said it right there, it's a bonus

[devout vault]

If it's a bonus if you have two on the same system, I'm guessing it isn't a full sized game

[cinder karma]

Ngl when y'all were like "how far in time back was 1991" I had to do a lot of math

[little furnace]

Oh, I thought you were talking about my idea.

[pliant snow]

It's as long as episode 1 is

[little furnace]

Sorry.

[steel kraken]

Is there a Canon reason why as long as you have one ring you are invincible

[pliant snow]

Actually that might not be quite true, I forget

[little furnace]

Almost 15 years, right?

[bronze fox]

nah your idea is legit

[pliant snow]

But there's at least four zones

[little furnace]

Yay. I feel honored.

[devout vault]

but does it have lore

[pliant snow]

It does have lore

[devout vault]

and character development

[bronze fox]

it's like scantily clad fantasy armor, the projectiles aim for the 1 ring

(i'm kidding i don't know)

[cinder karma]

Is it before or after nsync

[devout vault]

something something vastly diminishing returns

[bronze fox]

EVERY TIME I MENTION THINKING ABOUT PLAYING IT UR LIKE NAH U SHOULDN'T

HE'S MAKING ME SEEM LIKE A BAD METAL LOVER

[pliant snow]

It's a terrible game, but you're a fake fan for not having played it

[devout vault]

(that's also not even true for the second best racing game of 2025, sonic racing crossworlds)

[little furnace]

I don't know them, so probably before.

[steel kraken]

I'm only hearing excuses, clearly a true metal fan would have played them all

[bronze fox]

speaking of i need to retun to my playthrough of the first best racing game of 2025, sonic racing crossworlds

[devout vault]

How will you play something that doesn't exist

[pliant snow]

The Game Awards 2025 losing nominee for Best Racing game, Sonic Racing Crossworlds?

[devout vault]

I'll concede it being the first best racing-focused game of 2025, since for KAR the real deal is actually city trial mode

[little furnace]

I like SRC, but the driving doesn't feel as fun as MKW.

[cinder karma]

I thought it was Kirby racing game

[bronze fox]

YOU HEARD THE CROWDS CHEER FOR CROSSWORLDS and they booed for mkw

[steel kraken]

Mario kart world with its straight lines was the superior game

[devout vault]

See that's why they didn't even include KAR, it's too powerful already

[devout vault]

I mean you're allowed to have bad opinions

[pliant snow]

I like how she tried to double caps lock here and it went lowercase

[devout vault]

(Admittedly I've played like 2-4 matches of MKW, and only because it came with my switch 2)

[cinder karma]

Running half miles on the track is the best racing game

[rain apex]

KAR2 will sweep 2026 awards trust

[cinder karma]

That and also 10k runs

[little furnace]

The tracks aren't good, yes, but the way the kart controls is better for me (partly because I love inside drifting in MK8).

[devout vault]

It was released too early to qualify for them

[cinder karma]

10k best

[devout vault]

Have you heard of our lord and savior from the 2nd best racing game of 2025, gadgets

[cinder karma]

I legitimately, up to this post, was reading "crosswords". Like NYT crosswords

[rain apex]

Is there some kinda limbo date range where u don't qualify for 2025 or 2026

[pliant snow]

No, it'll be eligible for 2026

[devout vault]

I don't think so

[rain apex]

Then it'd be valid for 2026 no?

[devout vault]

Oh? Whoever told me otherwise lied to me

[fleet wren]

it was released before the cutoff date

[little furnace]

Do they really enable inside drifting?

[pliant snow]

I'm like 99% sure it should be

[fleet wren]

so according to a strict interpretation of the rules it won't be

but the TGA also told the Dispatch devs their game would be eligible for GOTY next year

[devout vault]

it was even here

[fleet wren]

so yeah rules are flexible it seems

(Dispatch if any recalls was nominated for one award this year)

[little furnace]

Nobody cares about TGA anyway, BAFTA is where the good awards are.

[steel kraken]

If you pay for the million dollar ad slots the rules are flexible

I know nothing about dispatch other than that it's logo is a bunch of characters at urinals

[rain apex]

I think it's a VN?

[fleet wren]

it's a decent Telltales style visual novel

[rain apex]

And the setting is superheros

[devout vault]

...they were even nominated this year but also qualify for next year?

what the heck

[cinder karma]

I thought dispatch was the people who work the phones

[pliant snow]

life hack

[cinder karma]

Like

For the fire department

[fleet wren]

if nintendo wants they can totally enter KAR next year, geoff would fold like a stack of dollars

[devout vault]

Can't wait to advertise Stardew 3D/VR as the most ambitious SDV mod of 2026 after I release it in 2027

...wait

Sorry

Wait no that's not backwards

But I mean I don't have to move it up a year if I do get it released this year

[pliant snow]

can you imagine if there was a best mod category

now that's what the people want geoff

[devout vault]

That would be great

But probably anger many of their partners like nintendo, who want mods to not exist period

[pliant snow]

I also realized I have forgotten to brag about my custom, 1 of 1 Kirby Air Ride box art

[rain apex]

I nominate Spenny Remastered All in One Collection

[devout vault]

Your what

[fleet wren]

Nintendo would-
yeah

[pliant snow]

It's worth millions, probably

[devout vault]

...how did you find out about stardew3d/vr's bonus content

[rain apex]

It's what the people want

[devout vault]

KAR box art tax

[little furnace]

KAR is elegible for BAFTA 2027. Yay.

Cut-off date for 2026 was 14th of November 2025.

[cinder karma]

I'm sorry what year is it....

[devout vault]

...I was wondering how this whole situation sounded familiar.

[cinder karma]

2027???

[devout vault]

I've seen this before (well, not the complete version)

[pliant snow]

oh did i already brag about my custom 1 of 1 kirby air ride box art

[devout vault]

No

It was from a mutual friend

[rain apex]

No it's 2007 good time to get a mortgage

[devout vault]

July 24, 2024

I even know who made the art 😛

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6899 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1456770636314837084)

[pliant snow]

notorious SDV server criminal

[cinder karma]

I am worried tbh about the housing market being bubbly

[devout vault]

...me or the artist? or the mutual friend?

[pliant snow]

yes

[devout vault]

...also let me tell you, I just got jumpscared when I saw who our only non-SDV (past SDV, mainly) mutual friend is

I mean it shouldn't be that surprising I guess

But still wasn't expecting it

[pliant snow]

oh lol

I haven't spoken to them in ages

[devout vault]

I haven't in a decent bit, and even then not much

But that's not the point

[pliant snow]

when I was into kirby hacking like a decade ago they were active

there was one other guy too, but I forget their name now

[devout vault]

To be fair I haven't spoken to one of the other mutual friends in a while, and another even longer

(The fourth mutual friend I talk to semi-regularly though)

[devout vault]

They're still doing some stuff I think, or were like 6 months ago at least

[devout vault]

The subject of the shrine on said server, or someone else?

I mean there's been multiple people that have come and gone, but only one with a shrine

the shrine is confusing

[pliant snow]

idk if I'm even in whatever server anymore, idk what this shrine is

[devout vault]

You are not

[pliant snow]

TG that was their name

they did randomizer stuff too

[devout vault]

The shrine was established in late 2017 according to the history document

So if you left/became inactive before then you could've easily missed it

[devout vault]

Definitely not the shrine's object of worship, then

[safe dragon]

(yes they work in a superhero equivalent of that in that game)

my sister bought dispatch so I'll probably give it a try

[hardy jewel]

such a good game

[safe dragon]

you typed a lot for those 4 words

[cinder karma]

That ..... was a joke

I have no clue what that game is or does

[safe dragon]

I fully assumed you didn't know what the game was don't worry

you just happened to be on the right track

[devout vault]

That's a pretty safe assumption to be honest

[little furnace]

Isn't "I have no clue what a game is or does" more accurate?

[fleet wren]

a fun fact about Dispatch is that all its CGs are pregenerated, there's no 3D engine or anything
you're literally just watching videos

[safe dragon]

fmv games

[devout vault]

I mean atra may have thrown it away because purple, but they had a cheeto role for quite a period of time

[safe dragon]

stopped being a modder for purple

[cinder karma]

Atra is also very dumb so

[hardy jewel]

I had many thoughts but decided simple is best

[safe dragon]

😌

[devout vault]

I'm gonna sue you for defamation of my friend

[crystal wren]

I'll help!

[steel kraken]

(legally this is unrelated but the truth is an absolute defense against defamation)

[devout vault]

...but atra being very dumb (or dumb even without 'very') is objectively false

[thin estuary]

when is atra gonna play any of the Zachtronics pseudo-programming games

[cinder karma]

Casey has to finish 3d mod before I can log into my steam account

Dont say "gog"

[thin estuary]

so not before the heat death of the universe, okay

[cinder karma]

I think she'll finish it soonish!

And, like, also, no pressure, I can make a gog account

[dusty pollen]

the wha

[cinder karma]

....I have successfully locked myself out of my account at work

I'm going home

[devout vault]

rude

It's very close to being technically playable, if you don't care about things that actually make it worth playing in 3d/vr, like actual 3d models, or proper 6dof controls (for vr)

Like for technically playable, I just need to implement more placeholder rendering stuff, and then make input based on the direction you face in 3d

[thin estuary]

Tbh I haven’t been following much, I was just kidding

It always felt like a fun side project, not a real mod

[thin estuary]

TIS-100, Shenzhen I/O, EXAPUNKS

[devout vault]

It's both

I'm literally only doing it (again, not counting the attempt from a few years ago) because I couldn't find a good similar enough game for VR, and making a full game would be so much more work

[thin estuary]

TIS-100 felt like a lot and I didn’t do much in it, but I can definitely recommend the other two

[cinder karma]

I hear shenzhen i/o is a lot like....work

[thin estuary]

It’s kinda like assembly, combined with some breadboard stuff. Except not really

Stupid CPUs with only a single register

[dusty pollen]

have you played jahoomla’s logic box?

[thin estuary]

Haven’t heard of it

[devout vault]

I am struggling to comprehend how a CPU can work with only one register

[dusty pollen]

browser game, basically if those “learn to code” games were good

strongly recommend it

[devout vault]

...okay, I guess if the only register is for the current instruction address, it might work

You'd just to have to do every single operation in memory directly

[thin estuary]

I guess I did ignore the existence of an instruction counter

Meant like, a register you can freely use

[cinder karma]

What about a stack pointer

Or flags

[thin estuary]

No stack, two flags that get set when executing conditional instructions

[cinder karma]

Oof

[thin estuary]

Also 9 instructions per CPU. Or 14, but it costs more, and uses more physical space

It’s fun!

[cinder karma]

Nine total instructions?????

Anywyas, it's fitness Marshall free stream day

And atra has a new shiny 2026 roth ira allowance to fill up...

Shockah, if I'm getting into DIY solar installations...is that any similar to that game

[fleet wren]

factorio

[cinder karma]

Factorio isnt gonna save me $10k+ selph

[fleet wren]

anyway of all the zach-likes I like Opus Magnum the most

[little furnace]

This looks amazing.

[devout vault]

Sounds painful, but easier than doing it in MC considering all you really get there is OR and NOT logic gates

[devout vault]

I've never seen anything of this besides screenshots before - that does look fun

[fleet wren]

indeed it is
comes with a built in gif maker so you can show off your transmutation engines to the world

[prisma flume]

so do you plan on releasing this as Stardew Valley Extruded or are there gonna be lawsuits

[little furnace]

What about WebP? I don't like using outdated formats.

[fleet wren]

for a slightly easier machine to understand

[fleet wren]

ffmpeg

[cinder karma]

Making DNA over there

[rain apex]

Hexagons go brrr

[cinder karma]

That is satisfying

[little furnace]

That only works if the GIF isn't compressed in the first place.

[rain apex]

Crunch it more

[little furnace]

Oh, it's 50% off right now.

[fleet wren]

the lore is immaculate too

[cinder karma]

Water earth salt salt....

Ch3-ch-oh

I dont see the earth salt salt selph

[fleet wren]

this is alchemy, we use earth/water/air/fire/salt/the 7 metals here

[little furnace]

What about sulfur?

[pliant snow]

It's why we should all use our lord and savior AVIF

[fleet wren]

surprisingly, not an element in that universe

[pliant snow]

I've played a lot of the Opus solitaire game, but not really the game itself

[prisma flume]

i've listened to a lot of the Opus album by eric prydz, but not really the solitaire game itself

[devout vault]

No extrusion, just billboards

But no I'm not releasing when it's technically playable

I want to have assets for all the base game stuff 😛

[cinder karma]

https://theonion.com/man-somehow-thinks-he-doesn-t-have-enough-alone-time-1819577280/

The onion calling me out

[dusty pollen]

ooo it’s half price right now on steam, sold

(selph you are very high on my list of people whose game recommendations to follow )

wow, this Imperial University looks way nicer than the real one in London

[pliant snow]

My desktops wifi just will not work this last week, I cant figure out why

And then sometimes I reboot, and it's happy, hmmm

I probably need to update my BIOS, but other than that, not sure what's up

[prisma flume]

why did i think adding a pihole to the network would be simple

why would network changes ever be anything less than complete misery

asshole you are plugged in. what do you mean there's no internet connection. the ppoe credentials are the same as they ever were. i am losing my mind

0.0.0.0 ipv4 hhhhhhhh

[prisma flume]

nothing could make this more enjoyable than my dell monitor flashing black for 1 of every 30 seconds and windows also flashing black at random when Something happens

[prisma flume]

the net works. now i can plug in the pihole again and burn it all down

[uncut seal]

hell yeah, one of my favorite automation games, especially the levels with limited space.

although there are like 2 optional levels that I can't bring myself to solve because they have a mismatch of inputs and outputs which would require some sort of storage between loops and fuck that

although now that I think about it, maybe these levels have the trash machine...