programmers-off-topic

[safe dragon]

I think they need more pointers

[devout vault]

And I thought I recalled using something else instead nowadays, but I'm probably thinking of something else

[safe dragon]

me too though sometimes I have to deal with dates formatted the dutch way and then things get a little more iffy

I wrongly assumed originally that InvariantCulture would parse those perfectly fine because it's a very standard format of dd-mm-yyyy but then realized later it was swapping around the day and month

and learnt that InvariantCulture actually means AmericanCulture and they're evil

[steel kraken]

if you ever do dd-mm-yyyy or mm-dd-yyyy you are asking for culture problems

yyyy-mm-dd is the only way

[safe dragon]

well unfortunately in a user interface dutch people are going to be entering the former

[devout vault]

std::map? A dictionary (not hash based, red black tree or something I think)
std::unordered_map? That's the hash based dictionary, and no the insertion order isn't maintained (introduced in C++11)
std::flat_map? Yeah, that's the sorted dictionary (introduced in C++23)

[steel kraken]

so you used invariant culture in a place where you very much had a cultural preference.
UI should not be invariant

[devout vault]

I assumed unordered map meant it did no ordering besides insertion order, which made me sad for my super niche use case

Flat map? I have no clue what's flat about it

[marble jewel]

Relevant xkcd https://xkcd.com/1179/

xkcd: ISO 8601

ISO 8601 was published on 06/05/88 and most recently amended on 12/01/04.

[devout vault]

Oh and unordered_map is called that way because of being compatible with compiler extensions or something

Instead of hash_map

[safe dragon]

I mean fair and true but still I am strongly of the opinion that of all things C# could've done when faced with a string formatted as dd-mm-yyyy, assuming the american formatting is the worst option.
The best would probably just be to not parse it and fail immediately, but otherwise it's vastly more common worldwide to do day first then month

[marble jewel]

I like ISO 8601 because it's the only format that sorts correctly when interpreted as a string

[safe dragon]

yeah ISO 8601 is good

[steel kraken]

ISO 8601 itself is full of footguns, and RFC 3339 is what you are actually thinking of as a sane standard

[marble jewel]

Huh, TIL

[devout vault]

If I can't quad-wield by holding guns in my foot, then what is even the point

(I know that is not what a footgun is)

[steel kraken]

2009-W53-7 is a valid ISO8601 timestamp (and is refering to 2010-01-03)

[safe dragon]

worst I've dealt with date wise was actually at my current job where especially a lot of older folks wrote their dates like 08-feb-2019 and fun differences like doing 08-mrt-2019 or 08-maart-2019 depending on how they're feeling that day.
The old system supported that and the dates are stored as text fields in the database so now that's there

some would use the english names for the months instead

surprisingly C#'s DateTime.Parse can actually handle these dates if you tell it to use the dutch culture

not the english ones tho

[marble jewel]

I hate at work finding a folder where the files are named with dates that are lead by month or even worse day

[safe dragon]

yeah if you're naming folders you better be doing yyyy-mm-dd

and the leading zeroes aren't optional

[dusty pollen]

week 53 day 7?

[steel kraken]

or people that try to cut corners and do 25-12-18 and now you have no idea what date format is being used

[safe dragon]

and then there's excel which tries to interpret anything as a date except an ISO date string which it does not understand

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/some-men-just-want-watch-the-world-burn-dark-knight-batman-christian-bale-gif-6083967

[lyric bloom]

that makes some sense, though.

[steel kraken]

yup, week dates are part of the ISO standard

[safe dragon]

wtf

[lyric bloom]

some people need to track by weeks elapsed and such

[marble jewel]

At least that format is still logically sortable as text

[steel kraken]

it is useful, but dumping it into the existing standard makes it bloated

[safe dragon]

honestly people who know what week of the year it is are built different from me cause I have no idea

[lyric bloom]

(Personally, I generally use dd-MMM-yyyy for dating, i.e 17-Dec-2025)

[safe dragon]

[lyric bloom]

because I find it's the least ambigulous. >_>

[safe dragon]

as long as you never input it like that in a date field

[steel kraken]

which is why RFC3339 which is an informal subset of ISO8601 is a nicer standard

[safe dragon]

I mean really these days if you aren't using a datepicker on your date inputs it's your own fault

[lyric bloom]

yeah uh..

[steel kraken]

and actually an opensource standard and not hidden behind licensing fees to see the actual text

[lyric bloom]

my date fields are datepickers where possible. :V

or they're stratight unparsed text

[devout vault]

The best way to parse dates is to just port PHP's strtotime() to let the users deal with it if they input bad data

[lyric bloom]

(the last is when the date really kinda doesn't matter or it's a custom calendar system)

[cinder karma]

I do☆

[steel kraken]

At work all our frontends for the web just have separate day, month and year input fields

mobile is permitted to use a proper datetime picker, but not on web

[safe dragon]

built different

[marble jewel]

Clearly the answer is that everyone should input dates as milliseconds since unix epoch

[cinder karma]

Outlook tells me lol

[devout vault]

Unfortunately I legally can no longer joke about minecraft snapshots in response to this 😔

[safe dragon]

I had someone from the finance department call me to ask if I'd already sent in my time sheet for week 49 and I had no fucking idea

please just tell me if that's the current week

[lyric bloom]

that said, I have date field that needs to support stuff like

[cinder karma]

Just use AI

[marble jewel]

/close thread

Answer to everything

[cinder karma]

It'll be wrong a lot but you know

Date parsing is hard

(Jk, obvs)

[lyric bloom]

32-Kitsutsuki-187

[cinder karma]

My least favorite date widgets are ones that enforce punctuation

[devout vault]

something something the AI sort library

[lyric bloom]

which.. as you can tell

is not a standard calendar at all

so. >_>

[cinder karma]

I want to be able to type 12172025 and the widget adds the/

[lyric bloom]

stuff like that I go "hey, it's a text field, I cowardly run away."

[cinder karma]

Instead of yelling at me over it

[marble jewel]

Just use a regex. Make an expression that can parse every possible date format and accurately identify what the user intended to input.

[cinder karma]

God

[devout vault]

Still fails on mm-dd-yyyy and dd-mm-yyyy unless we add mind reading to the regex input

[safe dragon]

a current argument for a new application at work is whether we should enforce decimal numbers to be formatted the dutch way. The "problem" is that the company laptops are set to english and most use the interface in english but they expect the numbers to be formatted the dutch way (with the comma as the decimal separator instead of the period).
So toLocaleString() doesn't work because as far as the browser settings are concerned you should get periods not comma's but then they don't want that

[lyric bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/welp-lame-okay-gif-23101240

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[marble jewel]

I meant Quantum regex where every interpretation spawns a reality

[cinder karma]

How goes next year's Healthcare premiums and deductibles

😛

[safe dragon]

I have no idea

idk if the government is changing the deductible

they're not

[lyric bloom]

i'm still on medicare. =/

but I cannot wait to discover I'll be kicked off.

[safe dragon]

the deductible is staying at 385 euros next year, no change

[devout vault]

Expensive 😔

[lyric bloom]

(between my two jobs, I now average 20 hours a week-ish)

(note though that means BOTH of them are not obligated to give me any insurance.)

[safe dragon]

[devout vault]

can't get enough that freedom, can you

[cinder karma]

It's a mixed bag for me

1. Premiums don't change
2. Company is contributing $500 less to my HSA
3. But my new insurance will pay for my gym (and other exercise expenses, more than $500/year)
4. Deductible jumped five thousand dollars

[safe dragon]

jesus

[lyric bloom]

but HSA is supposed to save us. Somehow.

[safe dragon]

that's like a jump of more than 10 times our entire deductible

[devout vault]

I'm sure the companies here would love to multiply our deductible by 10 too

[safe dragon]

I'm sure they'd love to here too but deductibles are government enforced, the insurance companies have no say in the matter

we don't have a good health insurance system but it works ok

we used to not have privatized health insurance but then some past government believed introducing that would lower health insurance cost thanks to the competitive market

so that didn't happen and now health insurance costs us a lot more

[dusty pollen]

oh so you have your own tories, how fun

[safe dragon]

they continued to be the largest party till like 4 ish years ago

then we got something vastly worse

and now we might be getting something half decent if they ever actually successfully form a coalition

🌈

they did try to do the same system replacing the government subsidized tuition with a loan system. I was lucky enough to experience that only for them to surprisingly admit their mistake and go back to the old system

people my age still got shafted but at least we went back to it after

[cinder karma]

(Fwiw, I personally dont mind a high deductible because I have my ways lol.)

But like

[safe dragon]

I don't think I've ever maxed out my deductible even at 385 euros but you never know what's gonna happen

my dad maxes it out within like 2 months thanks to insulin cost

[marble jewel]

I max out the contribution limit for married couples on my HSA, and the company match hasn't changed, but I did spend a lot more from it last year to get a formal Autism diagnosis since those tests are expensive.

[sand frost]

I kind of expect to hit out of pocket limit

But this is partly bc I’m lucky and it’s low (comparatively)

[cinder karma]

(I do have a pretty good out of pocket limit)

It's exactly the deductible

I dont expect to even come close to it

[cinder karma]

McMaster fucking Carrrrr

https://youtu.be/-Ln-8QM8KhQ?si=oyU_NJFz3XeaPJgD

[devout vault]

I found two godot bugs

(They made Direct3D 12 the default in 4.6 beta 5, though the issues don't start until 4.6 beta 6)

[dusty pollen]

this is exactly why as much as I joke about having waited five years for mine (I did the waitlist twice, I entered the under-18 waitlist when I was 16 and just when I was about to reach the end I aged out and moved to the bottom of the adult waitlist haha) I'm very grateful that it was free in the end

[cyan shadow]

Fun fact: I'm forced to have special zoekjaar insurance and if I have major dental work, it'll be cheaper to go home and get it done because my dental coverage is like 200 Euro

It costs about the same as Zilveren Kruis' ZiZo low cost insurance but is significantly worse

And barely anyone takes it

[safe dragon]

we all know teeth aren't health smh

[cyan shadow]

The Boi has better coverage than I do

[safe dragon]

I still remember the day they announced they were removing dental coverage from the required basic insurance

[cyan shadow]

For dental

[safe dragon]

[steel kraken]

Australian healthcare also considers teeth to not be part of the body and you need to do your own thing

[cyan shadow]

I miss my 5-15 euro per session dentist from back home

[rain apex]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.diagnostics.process.priorityclass?view=net-10.0

What does priority class do

[lethal walrus]

it lets you market your mod as performance

[rain apex]

No but actually is this windows version of nice values

[crystal wren]

It exists so people can make YouTube videos of "<GAME> PERFORMANCE FIX 2008 WORKING" despite being complete placebo in 99% of cases.

Jokes aside though, I think it's essentially niceness?

[rain apex]

Brb releasing my perf mod that renice to 0

[crystal wren]

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/40359

Already exists!

(Technically off-topic, shh! )

[worn remnant]

yes

[rain apex]

Oh that's the mod i was asking about

But see it has no nix support

[crystal wren]

I actually had no idea this just came out...

I just searched performance assuming there would be one!

[rain apex]

But yeah that's too on topic

Honestly i barely understand now nice works either

When i run ffmpeg encodings to bake in hardsubs I use nice 10 but it still eats all me cpu so...

[worn remnant]

i don't really understand it but afaik it's asking the kernel "please may i have more cpu time"

or i suppose "please let other processes have more cpu time"

[crystal wren]

"Give me more weight in your CPU time list" is kinda my understanding?

More or less I guess, yeah.

[worn remnant]

a gentle request for the scheduler, which still gets to decide whatever it wants

[rain apex]

Yea shrug the scheduler is clearly more eager about this anime than me

[crystal wren]

Its usage here though is a trend in game optimisation that should have died in the mid 2000s when multi-core CPUS became much more prominent.

[rain apex]

Can u not just start process with whatever priority in windows

[worn remnant]

oh i read a thing recently about how crunchyroll is nerfing all its subtitles pretty hard, so hearing chu doing hardsubbing tracks

[rain apex]

Oh the reason is simpler ichor

I watch stuff with friends over browser and there's basically no browser that supports mkv

Or ass for that matter

So I hardsub specifically for this and don't keep the results around

[crystal wren]

It kinda amazes me that no container to replace MKV has esver reached even a tiny bit of prominence since then...

[rain apex]

Other jank is that i gotta bonk 10bit to 8bit otherwise firefox friend can't watch

[worn remnant]

the thing about the subtitles (DH this may interest you as well)

[rain apex]

I once watched an anime where the subbers made a whole phone screen with shapes in subs

To display the on screen text

[crystal wren]

Wait, but why would they...

[cinder karma]

Money?

[dusty pollen]

there’s a section in that article explaining that actually they aren’t even really saving any

[dusty pollen]

also, gotta love solid journalism /gen

[devout vault]

TLGUOR (too long gave up on reading), but yeah, I noticed something was worse about the subtitles in some cases in summer, and then the few episodes I watched at the beginning of fall, but wasn’t sure what, then saw r/anime talking about it and was sad

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/anime

[devout vault]

Thanks for linking the premier no-touching-grass community, uber

I’m one of those people that pauses or rewinds to read short-duration/really-long-text subtitles

[worn remnant]

it's very long and i found it pretty tough to read due to (believe it or not) typography issues.
tl;dr the page title is an accurate summary

[devout vault]

The other thing I noticed in fall was all of the new anime titled “season 1” on the main page. Talked about it here some

I won’t say the subtitle stuff is why I haven’t watched any anime basically since then, but it’s possible it was a subconscious factor

The main reason being “a bit less depressed and so I’m actually doing things again” combined with “I’m following way too many WEBTOON series send help”

“How many is too many?”

This image is the scrollbar for how much updated in the past week. Total subscribed series across the entire list (including past this point, but those didn’t update this week): 264

(I don’t have notifications for the app one, so no, I don’t get a bajillion notifications)

There’s a few I’m not caught up on, but for the most part I’m fully caught up on every single one

[hushed raven]

I dread to think what my webtoon notifs look like, I haven't used it in a long while so it would probably be chaos XD

[crystal wren]

A friend just mentioned Indian food. I now want Indian food for tonight, but I can't decide what.

.qp --options 2

1. Madras?
2. Vindaloo?

[devout vault]

I have no idea what either are

[hushed raven]

Madras, entrely for the colour

[devout vault]

I might’ve tried one before, since a friend occasionally did dinner nights and she cooked a lot of Indian food (I think it was Indian)

[cinder karma]

You cant go wrong with either

Smh.

[crystal wren]

What really gets me about Indian food in America I've had (from several places, so I think it's a common/normal thing)...

Vindaloo? Spice levels are mild, medium, and hot.
Masala? Spice levels are mild, medium, and hot.
Phaal? Never actually seen one of these there.

Like... is medium relative? Because to me, each of these curries have a... default spice level.

[cinder karma]

Medium is relative

Ovs

[crystal wren]

Then call it normal!

[cinder karma]

It's also calibrated to what you look like, sometimes

[devout vault]

I don’t know how what my friend cooked compares to that on spice level, but she was from India I think, so while she probably toned it down because of everyone present… well, let’s just say I definitely have basic white person spice tolerance levels

[crystal wren]

Then in that case, you should probably pick neither of these choices... at least by English standards of spice?

[cinder karma]

Brit (affectionate)

I've been watching the Fallow YouTube channel

[devout vault]

Taco Bell mild sauce is a little spicy to me, if that helps you gauge my spice tolerance

[crystal wren]

Never had Taco Bell...

[cinder karma]

So. Apparently I'm supposed to be making potatoes with 33% butter, salmon with butter, cabbage with 50% butter, and a Sriracha kimchi grilled cheese that actually looks really good

[devout vault]

Not a bad amount. Like a comfortable amount of spicy, and I don’t dare try a level higher

[cinder karma]

I haven't had taco bell in 15+ years

[devout vault]

What is food if not a vessel for cheese butter?

[cinder karma]

What about Chipotle

[cinder karma]

My coronary arteries cry

[devout vault]

That’s decent, though I tend to only get “chicken, white rice, cheese, and sour cream”.

(I would get queso but their queso has chunks sometimes)

Dang it atra if I eat out for lunch I’m blaming you

[devout vault]

What about excessive amounts of cheese instead? That’s my preference

(I mean, a lot of times both would be nice, but cheese is superior)

[hushed raven]

I am fully with you, medium is VERY confusing instead of normal or standard

[cinder karma]

Iirc there are four spice levels at Chipotle

[crystal wren]

Holy hell. It is absolute... at least in a lot of cases.

https://ashokamuirhead.com/2025/08/28/how-mild-medium-spicy-is-decided-for-curries-and-indian-dishes/

So a medium vindaloo will be as hot as a medium... masala? This hurts my brain.

[hushed raven]

cheese is lovely, theres two people in my house and we get through like 2.5 kg of cheese every 3 weeks XD

[cinder karma]

Fuck I need to make naan

[devout vault]

For what???? I don’t remember choosing a spice level ever.

I only get burritos, did you mean a different menu item?

[hushed raven]

I base the dishes spice levels based on where they originate from, what a terrible way to confuse me into getting the mildest thing ever

[cinder karma]

The salsa

Four different spices in the salsa

[devout vault]

Oh I don’t get salsa

[cinder karma]

I'm from the part of China that really likes spicy food so

[devout vault]

Like I said:

• chicken
• white rice
• cheese
• sour cream
  Burrito

[cinder karma]

I always thought the bowl was the most food for money so I always get that

God my inability to grow tomatoes is a major regret

[crystal wren]

The build systems are a huge part of my problem with C++!

[devout vault]

Yeah we both complain about cmake a lot

[crystal wren]

Cargo and such for Rust, though... those are genuinely nice.

[devout vault]

But they aren't too much of a fan of it on rust though:

I just don't vibe with how the cargo system works and some of the language choices

[crystal wren]

Ha!

I think build systems in general are just... not great, though.

[devout vault]

I'm pretty happy with msbuild a lot of the time

[crystal wren]

Yeah... that's probably my favourite. And that feels wrong.

[devout vault]

The moment when atra began to be corrupted

[crystal wren]

pom.xml

https://tenor.com/47Gi.gif

[devout vault]

That sounds familiar but it seems my mind has blocked out where its from

[crystal wren]

Maven!

[devout vault]

Oh, yeah, that would be why its blocked out

Well, and I haven't even thought about it in ages since gradle lives on top of it I think

[worn remnant]

14 different build systems?! we should make a new one that covers everyone's use cases /lh

[crystal wren]

Quick, who has the xkcd number memorised?

[devout vault]

.xkcd standards

...uber?

does it only work with numbers

.xkcd 927

.quote

[heavy dagger]

#6680

somewhat considering doing everything except optimisation, uploading to github and seeing if I can get you and sinz’s eyes to twitch enough that you end up doing it for me /j

• @dusty pollen (Jump)

Oct 10, 2025, 6:42 PM

[crystal wren]

.xkcd 927

[devout vault]

Did that command get disabled on this server? 😔

[devout vault]

.cowsay unbullievable

[hushed raven]

There you go, close enough

it seems it has been disabled on the server

[devout vault]

cowsay might've been a different bot

[devout vault]

Yet another reason the minecraft collective should get uberbot

And totally not so I can spam quotes as I sometimes do

[hushed raven]

Agree, I love uber bot

[devout vault]

This just in: @ Junimos hate fun

[crystal wren]

It could even be called Turtle.

[hushed raven]

YES

100%

[devout vault]

...isn't carlbot literally a turtle

I know what you're referencing

But still

[hushed raven]

but he doesn't have uber tools, so hes like totally inferior (minus the cat pics he gives in another server)

[devout vault]

Cat picks?

To be fair, uber has

.cat

[heavy dagger]

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn2.thecatapi.com/images/85_y2WzfK.jpg

[devout vault]

OH THAT ONE WORKS

glorious, and well deserved

[hushed raven]

PFFFFT

I had no idea uber had cat pics

Back to something on topic to the off topic, do yous have a fav way of adding SSH keys to remote servers?

[crystal wren]

I mean ssh-copy-id exists!

[hushed raven]

that only works when you have password ssh enabled, which I do not unfortunatly but I shall keep that in mind for the future, that is a good idea

[cinder karma]

Cat

[crystal wren]

How do you... currently connect to it?

[cinder karma]

(This is a request)

[lethal walrus]

i just use the provider's webui

[crystal wren]

Yeah, that's how I normally do it!

[hushed raven]

Oh sorry, forgot to add that, I have the ssh on my desktop, but I'm trying to add my phones one too, oops

[lethal walrus]

and if it's not a managed vps thing, just password ssh (as in, for pis)

[crystal wren]

Either that, or the key's added automatically at creation time if it's a VPS.

[devout vault]

Will “like 70% of cat” do?

[lethal walrus]

i never considered running an ssh server on my desktop

[devout vault]

Or do I need to get an overhead angled shot

[hushed raven]

Oh I mean, I have ssh access to the server from my desktop, and I'm trying to add ssh access to the server from my phone (totally can't tell I'm new to ssh keys and the terminology XD)

[lethal walrus]

ohh

[hushed raven]

Ssh keys either have a pattern for the first half or I am exceptionally lucky, exactly the same, how fun

[marble jewel]

Psst... try Tailscale. Your life will change for the better.

[lethal walrus]

tailscale is very nice

[marble jewel]

Tailscale ssh in particular has been a godsend

[lethal walrus]

except when your keys expire and you can't actually ssh into the machines properly because your linux machine is stuck on a separate lan

[marble jewel]

I've been delving into Tailscale services, and making the domains I use for internal-only services redundant

[lethal walrus]

oo fancy

[marble jewel]

If you use Tailscale ssh for authentication, and restrict ssh to tailscale's ports, then you can authenticate through them

Something I've done recently is self-hosted my secrets management software, and that's kind of running without internet access, but other servers are able to still reach it over the mesh network

[safe dragon]

tailscale is nice yeah

[sand frost]

My main experience with ssh is every few years trying to thrash GitHub into authentication on my computer (when I get a new one, etc)

I’m very bad at it and recently was trying to get my students through the process

And realized I truly don’t know, I just know where to find the instructions

[cinder karma]

I use mosh

Mosh: the mobile shell https://share.google/YlIosfSZzpFiYND3n

[hushed raven]

I shall check that out thank you!

[cinder karma]

Startling lack of cat photos today, guys

I'm disappointed

[devout vault]

There's been three, which I think is higher than average

...even if only one of those was from an actual person (me)

But I guess have a slightly different picture of Mozart sleeping

(You can tell it's a new picture because if you look closely, he's counterclockwise here, but earlier he was clockwise)

Humble bundle I think you mispelled "Hatable"

[cinder karma]

I can still be disappointed by the number of cat pictures

[devout vault]

Any number greater than 0 should be cause for rejoicing, just in different amounts

(At least since, at least at the time of writing, this isn’t #cats-off-topic)

[worn remnant]

it does say "coding cats" right there in the channel desc tho

[cinder karma]

But what if more pictures

[devout vault]

My lights are off and I’m in bed and can’t see Mozart with a flashlight, so no more tonight

…hold that thought

Didn’t have to get out of bed

(I thought I heard small noises under there occasionally, and I was right)

[cinder karma]

Real talk what the heck is a merge game

D'awwww kitty!

[devout vault]

Place three dame things together to make a bigger thing that you then place near two other identical ones to make an even bigger thing that you then…

(Or that’s the impression I get from ads, I’ve never played one. Even the interactive ads, I just ignore it until the timer is up.)

[steel kraken]

This kind of counts

I got the replacement ram this morning and finished the build.

Haven't done the GPU and capture card transplant from the old machine yet

[rain apex]

does the void fit

[sand frost]

Cat!!

[devout vault]

Speaking of cats fitting

Earlier in the evening

(But I must sleep now)

[dusty pollen]

I should update arch more often but I never have any disk space

adventures in archery

[safe dragon]

hmm

surely you'd be able to remove them if you do them all in 1 command

isnt that a cyclic dependency how does that work

[dusty pollen]

yes, that was the solution, and idk how they work

[devout vault]

That does not look like archery. Archery looks fun

[cinder karma]

Warm kitty

[cinder karma]

Archery is fun!

[devout vault]

Archery? Sure.

Arch(btw)-ery? Nah

[safe dragon]

thanks I didn't understand the pun till now

[cinder karma]

Arch joins rust

[devout vault]

No, rust still has its own special place (derogatory)

[cinder karma]

And dogs

And touching grass

[rain apex]

Do y'all enjoy implict returns

[cinder karma]

Verilog Functions https://share.google/dp9Tb8G2F0UpfZWI7

Yes in Rust

[cinder karma]

No in verilog

[cyan shadow]

How does one unfuck an external ssd that won't let you do shit with it after formatting it because of write perm issues

[safe dragon]

I don't actually know but I have had a really dumb problem before with write permission issues which turned out to be a little toggle on the USB/SD card that I somehow flipped without noticing

[hushed raven]

was it connected to a device that has bitlocker or some other encryption? I've had that issue before and it was so annoying, if not, possibly making sure it's not read only and setting it to read write may work?

it may also be a sign it's on it's way out, you should check to see if it has any issues (I think windows drive utility has that function? but there are other programs that can do it) and possibly back the contents up somewhere if it does show issues until you can get a replacment

[devout vault]

Nah I don’t dislike dogs. I just don’t like them either

They really only bug me if they won’t leave me alone

[cyan shadow]

No, just to a pi

[worn remnant]

i like dogs

[cyan shadow]

The Boi is doing the work for me now because I ragequit while setting up jellyfin last week

[hushed raven]

if you're having the issue on the pi itself and the drive is mounted try typing in a terminal ls -l <path to mounted disk> (replace the < > with the actual mount point) if you see root:root you need to change the ownership, I think using chown but I'm not entirely sure of the right syntax?

Oh that's if its ext4

[cyan shadow]

Yeah the jellyfin user is having issues

[hushed raven]

if the filesystem is nfts (what's used on windows) then you will need some form of nfts support package, like nfts-3gis one I know of for sure

[worn remnant]

any of you niri enthusiasts have a solution for this one?

[cyan shadow]

It's now ext4 but chown isn't working for some reason?

[hushed raven]

I also rage quit jellyfin XD

[cinder karma]

I rarely have met a dog or cat i don't like

[hushed raven]

whats your username on the pi? I'll try figure out the right command syntax for it

[hushed raven]

What clipboard manager do you use?

[cyan shadow]

quill

The jellyfin user is just jellyfin iirc?

[hushed raven]

I think
sudo chown -R quill:quill <path to mounted disk> and
sudo chmod -R 755 <path to mounted disk> is right, enter them one after the other has executed

first one recursively sets you as the owner, and the second ones sets your user to have read write and execute access, and sets the group your user is in and everyone (if there a multiple account, needed even if there aren't) to have read and execute permission

[pliant snow]

https://github.com/sudofox/shell-mommy

[devout vault]

's eyes glaze over.

[pliant snow]

Yeah jellyfin will have its own user

[devout vault]

(all the linux stuff, not what aquova posted)

[pliant snow]

come back here and install shell mommy coward

[devout vault]

(what aquo posted is more "what the heck" instead of eyes glaze over)

[devout vault]

I hardly ever use the shell

Basically only for git

[hushed raven]

fake programmer smh

[pliant snow]

mommy doesn't mind

[worn remnant]

i don't. if you can recommend one that fixes this i'll probably use it

[devout vault]

I mean, I thought that was obvious by my preferring windows

(though that preference is waning month by month these days...)

[rain apex]

Reject windows return to dos

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[pliant snow]

You'll want wl-clipboard installed. Aseprite isn't x11, it'll be xwayland, so it should work out

[hushed raven]

i didn't even know you could copy and paste anything without a clipboard manager...... TIL I guess XD I am using wl-clipboard it seems

[worn remnant]

i have wl-clipboard

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6847 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1451637224251592779)

[worn remnant]

text can cross the boundary just fine. only image data fails

(and presumably other tricky stuff like it)

[cyan shadow]

Yep, didn't work

Jellyfin just won't recognize the drives

[cinder karma]

Who owns the drives

Who did the formatting

How are you mounting

[hushed raven]

one leg over the other onto a saddle I would hope

[cinder karma]

There was one that would make a best guess at what you were trying to do and fix it

Questions from the insane.....can I change SOS to dark mode

[pliant snow]

idk if I've ever actually set up jellyfin on the OS, I always run it in docker

[cinder karma]

I don't even know what jellyfin is

[hushed raven]

Finally learned how to undo a commit using git reset without things breaking! yay

and now aliases made because I will forget exactly how to write the command XD

[devout vault]

This is tempting but who knows if it's a monkey's-paw type button and if statements get deleted forever too

[rain apex]

I press the button and now biology research is in shambles

[dusty pollen]

uh, like returns that don't require the return keyword?

sure, it was fun in scala

[rain apex]

Yeah like when the last thing on stack is auto returned

Ruby has it for example

Rust too but rust does actually require a lil syntax

[devout vault]

I think it's nice in some contexts (like REPL stuff), but normally I would not like it

[dusty pollen]

scala is a bizarre mix of weird syntax decisions and this is one of the ones I actually liked

(did not like: round brackets for array indexing)

[devout vault]

The only thing I can think of that I'd change with C# returning is to allow this:

void func1() {}

void func2()
{
  return func1();
}

(The above block uses C++ syntax highlighting, because that does in fact work in C++. Though it's a bit more important there because of templates.)

[rain apex]

I guess C# does have limited implict returns?

method() => statement

[devout vault]

Hmm, I guess for stuff like lambdas

And that, yeah

[rain apex]

But as soon as u { } for more than 1 line u need the keyword

[rain apex]

That's cus void is a primative in C right

Not sure if right word

[cinder karma]

sum = a + b;
endfunction```

[rain apex]

But all sorts of stuff is void*

[cinder karma]

This is system verilog

[devout vault]

Oh by the way. I passed a goodwill recently that said (was driving, couldn't get a photo):

 GAMING PC
 NINTENDO
  XBOX &
  POKEMON

And of course my first thought was "ah yes, the three major consoles - nintendo, xbox, and pokemon"

[devout vault]

uM aCkTcHuAlLy that would be statements, since they could all go on line

[cinder karma]

excel regex with capture group

[devout vault]

I wouldn't really call it a primitive, more of a special keyword. You can't exactly declare void variables, same as C#.

void* though? Yeah that's normal

Well

"normal"

[rain apex]

Yeah i was unsure about the word too

[devout vault]

Like void is technically a type since you can use it as return types and I think also template type parameters, but you can't use it for anything that would actually do memory

[rain apex]

But void just sometimes do type like things in C

[devout vault]

void* is special

(From a practical point of view, no clue about "as far as the spec says")

[fleet wren]

it's more of a side effect of Rust being an expression based language and encouraging expressions when possible right

of all the features I want copied from rust to other languages I want the ability to assign a variable the value of a block the most

[worn remnant]

update: it seems that aseprite itself is the problem. every other x11/xwayland program seems to be fine (incl. discord)

[fleet wren]

(like for JS I can get away with (() => {})() but that's ugly as sin)

[devout vault]

Best I can offer you is int x = ( () => { int i = 3; i *= someFunc(); return i; } )();

also that doesn't even work apparently

Okay fixed version: int x = new Func<int>(() => { int i = 3; i *= someFunc(); return i; })();

[fleet wren]

see, ugly as sin

[hushed raven]

That was also my first thought XD bye bye fully sequenced genomes, atleast for a good few years

[hushed raven]

did you build from source? or is it the steam version? I feel like the steam version would have the issue the most but that is just a vague feeling and not based on any truth XD

[worn remnant]

source

i should probably try rebuilding it. i think i used the prebuilt skia and that could easily be a problem here

[dusty pollen]

adieu protein folding

[ivory shadow]

-# No see it's a monkey's paw and you delete Weird Al

[devout vault]

(unless I've missed some relevant celebrity happenings (which is very possible since I don't pay attention to celebrities), in which case I am willing to retract my )

[hushed raven]

I think the only controversy he's had is that hes just weird (not in the creepy weird way)

[fleet wren]

y'all forgetting that time he performed for the notorious drug lord pablo escobar smh my head

(just in case that was a reference to the 100% true biopic Weird: An Al Yankovic Story)

[devout vault]

Well it's marketted as 100% true, then it definitely can be trusted

[cinder karma]

None of yall looked at this

sum = a+b is the return statement

Assigning to the name of the function

Smh

Also there is a lack of cat pictures

[hushed raven]

.cat

[heavy dagger]

https://s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/cdn2.thecatapi.com/images/00hv6Py8_.jpg

[hushed raven]

that's also a person, not what was asked uber

[devout vault]

TIHI

[devout vault]

I sent one to you like 3 hours ago, smh

It was even a cat you hadn't seen before!

[devout vault]

Yeah but there's two cats, not one

[hushed raven]

1 human counts as -2 cats, leading to a net zero of catage

[devout vault]

...you're saying a single human's not-a-cat-ness overpowers a single cat's is-a-cat-ness?

[hushed raven]

yes

[devout vault]

Do you even appreciate cats

smh

sacrilege

heresy

blasphemy

[hushed raven]

I do appreciate cats, I just don't appreciate humans

especially in my so advertised cat pictures

I expect cats, or atleast noodle cats

[devout vault]

If my parents had guests that I had never meant and therefore didn't want to be around, I would stay in my room.

If those same visitors brought a cat? I'm hanging out downstairs to say hi to kitty

Cats are immensely more powerful than humans

.q 6629

[heavy dagger]

#6629

Like, "Yes, the magnitude of its goodness is huge. But it's also negative!"

• @devout vault (Jump)

Sep 15, 2025, 8:17 PM

[hushed raven]

I would be taking the kitty back to my room, best of both worlds, I don't have to deal with people and I get to say hi to the cat XD

[devout vault]

It's a scalar value vs vector value thing again 😛

[devout vault]

Ah, but you get exposed to people in the process.

Also the cat belongs to the guests in this scenario, you can't just catnap it

[hushed raven]

Can't and not allowed are two very different things

[devout vault]

Can you overpower the entire group of hypothetical parental guests

If you can't, then they are basically the same

[hushed raven]

my house, my rules, and my rules are all guest cats are now my cats

[devout vault]

I'm not talking about your house

[hushed raven]

They will be loved and cared for as so

[devout vault]

I'm talking about staying at your parents house (even if just temporarily)

[devout vault]

What if they miss their owners

[hushed raven]

then they can get visiting time of course, that's part of the "loved and cared for"

[devout vault]

Growing up one of our cats would wait at the top of the stairs if she heard movement while I was not home, and come running down when I opened the door. You can't convince me she would've been happy without me

[hushed raven]

awww that's adorable

there will be an exception for situations like that

side question, who on earth brings their cat around to someone elses if they're coming over for a brew?

[devout vault]

Who said they were coming over that reason

What if someone has a cat that likes taking walks (whether by actually walking, or just shoulder riding), and stops by while out?

What if they got back from a vet visit where they paid $500 to get told the cat just needed to poop, and wanted someone to shame them with (in person)?

[hushed raven]

this is sounding like a lived experience now XD

[devout vault]

I mean, not in person, but I have definitely had that happen online

From multiple cat owners

[crystal wren]

...I think I remember reading that exact story somewhere recently.

[lethal walrus]

???

instra is operating at a significant loss??
wholesale is 500/500, instra is 800 register, 0.5 renew

[devout vault]

I shared this with some people back in june

But like, I've had personal friend tell me about it happening with their cats specifically, too

[crystal wren]

Completely different story with the same details, then. Must be common!

[devout vault]

Indeed it is

[cinder karma]

Thih?

[devout vault]

Thanks I hate it

[safe dragon]

teehee

[cinder karma]

Casey has fulfilled her cat quota

The rest of y'all....

[safe dragon]

here

[hushed raven]

Awww the tortie!

[safe dragon]

in a very elegant pose

[cinder karma]

Tortie sitting like a human

[hushed raven]

I think a framed image of that position is a must XD

[cinder karma]

I did find a cat cafe

[dusty pollen]

an elegant lady

[cinder karma]

New house rules. To visit an atra you must bring a cat

(I'm so joking(

[little furnace]

The quality is bad, but I hope her eyes make up for it:

[rain apex]

Nice kot

Magazine cover girl

[little furnace]

Absolutely, and she knows that.

[cinder karma]

Pretty kitty

[little furnace]

She's also a... interestingly, both the terms for a female cats (Queen, if someone doesn't know that) and a female dog (won't say that here) fit.

[lethal walrus]

i love it when i get 122 gb of logfiles because pm2 doesn't automatically flush them

[safe dragon]

that's why you get pm2-logrotate

[lethal walrus]

i deleted the logs

why am i still at 222gb usage

[safe dragon]

the secret second logs

[lethal walrus]

?????? 47G /

36G /home
12K /media
11M /opt
301M /etc
5.8G /usr
du: cannot read directory '/lost+found': Permission denied
16K /lost+found
du: cannot read directory '/root': Permission denied
4.0K /root
8.0K /mnt
4.8G /var
1.1M /tmp
208M /boot
4.0K /srv
47G /
this doesnt add up to 200+

ill restart again (not forcibly for once) and see if that helps

[lethal walrus]

im just going to add pm2 flush to a systemd service thingy

/dev/nvme0n1p2 234G 100G 122G 46% /
that's better

i think its all nice and reasonable now yay

i now have pm2 flush on a cron job

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/v7eHTNm1YtU?si=m2-YRhnVYSD3TOWi

[hushed raven]

Matt parker! Guessing by the baldness this isn't a new one this year?

[frosty echo]

I've seen that title months ago, so no

[cinder karma]

I just saw a car covered in Christmas lights

[steel kraken]

Update: the rtx 3090 did not survive the transplant.

[lyric bloom]

🙁

(there's something magical about seeing "GPU: 44 C. Room temp: 12 C and falling"

[rotund trellis]

Hey team

[lyric bloom]

when your GPU is on an dock

[rotund trellis]

Can i plz join

[cinder karma]

I'm so sorry

[cinder karma]

Is your gpu putside

[steel kraken]

Hopefully by the end of the day I have a working gaming rig again

[cinder karma]

I just saw a truck covered in Christmas lights

Also a very lifted truck with many lights under it

[fleet wren]

re: gpu misadventures, last year one of the fans on my 1080ti died and it begins to crash presumably because of overheating
I bought a new fan and replaced it and ||it still keeps crashing||

iunno what the moral of the story is i just wanna share

[cinder karma]

I've never had a bad gpu!

[fleet wren]

lemme guess cuz ||you never had a gpu||

you should hope you won't get bad RAM though

or SSD

[cinder karma]

Smh

My seven year old laptop is fine

[lyric bloom]

the wooloo is where the eGPU dock is

(I am in the middle of trying to figure out where to put everything, as you can tell)

[cinder karma]

I see YouTube

[lyric bloom]

yep

bakcground noise> >_>

[supple ether]

Love the vibes on that setup

May I ask why lewis and clark specifically?

Also don't think I don't see that sneaky shonk in the corner

[devout vault]

Another video that YT has been trying to get me to watch for a while

[lyric bloom]

I was in a yellowstone gift shop and bought it because of the aged paper feel. I also just have a minor interest in historical exploration. TBF though, I am thinking about getting more things that aren't just that

(I have several sharks, just not so many places to put it.. >_>)

[supple ether]

[lyric bloom]

... turns out my real name might be visible in that

so I deleted it

which I mean, guess I'll reupload when my desk is acutally clean. >_>

[supple ether]

Oop

[worn remnant]

update: i rebuilt it and also built skia this time. problem solved. also requires turning on "use native clipboard" in aseprite's settings (this was on in the other build, but was initially off in the new one)

[dusty pollen]

aw, a baby

-# guys I get to do this to atra rather than the other way around

[devout vault]

Mozarts favorite subject in school must’ve been physics, given how much he’s been testing gravity and friction lately.

Cat tax.

[crystal wren]

https://blog.jetbrains.com/ai/2025/08/introducing-next-edit-suggestions-in-jetbrains-ai-assistant/

Can a new company or team just... start working on IDEs to replace JetBrains IDEs just with zero focus on AI? Thanks, I'd appreciate it.

[safe dragon]

no

[thin estuary]

of course all of that happens after i buy my first year of licenses, after they pressure me into doing so before they raise their prices

[crystal wren]

I'm still happy enough with the licenses and the software, but I just... I don't want to see such heavy focus on things I don't want to use.

[uncut seal]

vim is right there you know...

for real though, that would indeed be nice

[safe dragon]

the pro strat for avoiding shitty corporate motivated changes to the software you use

use software that has little mainstream appeal so there is no corporate

no AI shit in vim/neovim/helix/kakoune

[devout vault]

Ah, but then your niche bugs will never get fixed because the team is so small…

Oh wait, DH has been waiting on one or two bugs being fixed for ages here, too

(A Stardew one and a Godot one, if I remember right)

[regal ingot]

As usual, emacs was ahead of its time. doctor.el is over 40 years old.
/s

[safe dragon]

emacs holds unlimited power

[safe dragon]

in theory you could fix them yourself in my examples cause they're all open-source projects...

[uncut seal]

yeag

[uncut seal]

if that Godot bug is still an issue for DH after march of next year, I might take a crack at it, I've wanted to contribute to Godot for a while, but I have to finish my master first

[cinder karma]

Isn't Emacs an operating system

Good morning and merry Christmas

How is everyone

[uncut seal]

stressed about my master's thesis

[devout vault]

It's a Rider issue with Godot 😔

[uncut seal]

ah, damn

[devout vault]

I've contributed to Godot

https://github.com/godotengine/godot/pull/57179

Title is misleading, what it basically means is "make World2D actually work"

[rain apex]

Oh can u run debugger from rider now

*run debugger on smapi

[cinder karma]

You'll do great!!!!!

[devout vault]

That's the other Rider bug DH has an issue for

And has for ages

@crystal wren how old are your Rider bug tickets?

[rain apex]

That's like the top 1 reason why i haven't tried to rider yet

[cinder karma]

Old enough to vote i think

I keep on going "I should try rider" but also like

When do i use c#

[devout vault]

I think one of them saw a small update recently?

[cinder karma]

I should try rover

[devout vault]

rust 🤢

[cinder karma]

Morning, casey! How goes the crimes

Hey you don't have to like rust.

I'm very sad I dont get to use rust every day

Hey Casey what's the worst thing about me

1. Likes rust
2. Touches grass
3. Is actually a dog person
4. Dislikes chocolate milk

[uncut seal]

"worst" is doing some overtime here

[cinder karma]

Oh come on I only did a little tax fraud this year

(To the IRS....it was an honest mistake and has been fixed in the same year.)

[uncut seal]

I mean that there's nothing that I'd call bad in this list, so calling anything in there "the worst thing" would be an overstatement

anyway, 2:30 already, no time to play Unbeatable

[cinder karma]

It's a joke.... it's four different thing Casey has taken a dislike too

[uncut seal]

I got that, I was talking about my own opinion about these. I could've just abstained though, it's probably the 2:30 a.m. talking for me

[devout vault]

None so far today

[devout vault]

seriously, yeah

[devout vault]

As long as 3 isn't "and also dislikes cats", I'm not sure any of them are actually bad?

[cyan shadow]

I'm late to the party, but I just successfully defended two months ago, it seems like a daunting task at first, but you got this!!!

[regal ingot]

yeah, that's the joke
(well, the first half of the joke. The second half being "too bad it doesn't have a decent editor")

[cinder karma]

I don't know why I ended up in the vim camp but I've barley used emacs

[steel kraken]

I'm still team nano, or more realistically setup vscode server and use vscode remotely

[heavy tree]

me: o great programmer gods, why is my computer screaming at me
the great programmer gods: ur ogg is too opus and not enough vorbis
me: they speak in a language i cannot understand, yet their knowledge spans more than i could ever hope to comprehend...

[steel kraken]

At risk of being on topic, vorbis and opus are two different audio codec standards, JPG vs PNG but audio

[devout vault]

I mean, they did say "in a language I cannot understand", so the wording could very well be a mistranslation

[safe dragon]

sometimes ur ogg is too opus, it happens

[cinder karma]

Good morning!

It's almost Christmas

I'm not looking forward to it

[sand frost]

Christmas is a social construct, do something fun for you on Christmas

[safe dragon]

it do be a social construct

that's why I'm visiting family and having pancakes

🙏

[sand frost]

Almost christmas for me means my mother and father in law cooking lots of tasty food, so I approve of this part of the social construct

[uncut seal]

I'm not doing jack shit for christmas this year

[sand frost]

honestly that sounds like a way to celebrate

"today I will do...nothing!"

[uncut seal]

it's mostly cuz it's not a national holyday in Japan, so I don't get a "day off", whatever that means when I'm procrastinating my master

[hushed raven]

It's not? At least you can get advertised with plenty of KFC

[crystal wren]

Well that's the biggest lie I've seen in a long time.

And it's to work on Copilot.

[devout vault]

You have linkedin push notifications turned on?

I already am tempted to turn off the email ones

[crystal wren]

Yeah, notifications don't really do anything to bug me.

[devout vault]

I thought Copilot was supposed to replace everybody. Why does someone need to work on it?

[crystal wren]

Don't ask me. I don't even work there!

[devout vault]

something something democratize coding or whatever the current buzz phrase is

[cinder karma]

I believe

Go make that Microsoft money

[devout vault]

"What is he gonna do with 10 programming languages? Rewrite the same app 10 times?"

They hated her because she spoke the truth.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dOuJmRCEaiQ

[cinder karma]

Smh

[safe dragon]

are we not supposed to...

[devout vault]

If you can find ten different platforms the app needs to run on, maybe?

[safe dragon]

it's all for the exact same platform of course

in fact it has become less cross platform

it now only runs on RedoxOS

[cinder karma]

I like learning new lauguagws

[safe dragon]

me too

[cinder karma]

Should I learn Korean or get my relators license

[safe dragon]

learn korean

[cinder karma]

Are you sure

[sand frost]

realtors license

but you could also learn hangul pretty quickly (just the phonetics)

[thin estuary]

oh maybe you can go work on shutting it down

[cinder karma]

Chat should I run a marathon

Crumble, my newly Dutch friend is teaching me Dutch road signs

How the fuck is a foreigner supposed to know blue is Parking

[safe dragon]

idk man you're asking someone without a driver's license

[modest steppe]

blue is handicap parking here

[cinder karma]

Crumble you don't have a driver's license????

[safe dragon]

I recognize the parking by the big ass P not blue

[modest steppe]

crumble teleports everywhere, clearly

[safe dragon]

nope

I live next to a train station

[cinder karma]

I've had my driver's since my 16th birthday...

[modest steppe]

ive never had one and im 25

[safe dragon]

I'd have been a criminal if had had one at 16

but yeah I did take lessons at one point but then quit

[modest steppe]

i fear

bus is fine if you don't mind being late

[safe dragon]

(I'm 28)

maybe someday I will get one but I really don't want to

[modest steppe]

(by that age i also wont have a license)

[safe dragon]

cars are really expensive, there's basically no parking space anywhere near my apartment and I despised every moment of my driving lessons

[modest steppe]

its a combo of that and regularly seeing drivers just gamble with the lord on whenever they'll survive whatever stupid stunt they are doing

[safe dragon]

it's certainly not motivating

I can also pretend that me not driving is an environmental choice to make me feel better

[cinder karma]

Cars are very expensive

[modest steppe]

sometimes its better so just admit there's things you can't do, i think

[sand frost]

honestly so legit

I wish I lived in a place with trains

I would probably largely stop driving, though since I own a car I would probably keep it if it wasn't truly horrible to keep

[modest steppe]

i can't drive a car, sit straight or look someone in the eye for longer than a few seconds

[sand frost]

I used to live in a city with transit and I did have the car but I only drove it around once a week if I was going outside reasonable transit radius

Or to Costco

[safe dragon]

I could probably drive if I really had no choice though I did twice almost drive into the wrong lane into opposing traffic during lessons

[cinder karma]

I would love to live somewhere with transit

But I'm also not made of money so

[safe dragon]

I could theoretically reduce some of my commutes and make things simpler with a driver's license

though I'm honestly not sure how true that is for the commute in practice

traffic is pretty horrendous on the highways I'd have to take

meanwhile a train just goes

[devout vault]

I feel like I've had this realization before but: wow we're the same age

[safe dragon]

crazy how we continue to be the same age...

[devout vault]

Something about your username makes me feel like you're a wise old person with a very wise looking beard

Like santa

[sand frost]

that sounds bad

[devout vault]

And I'm not sure why

[safe dragon]

it do be bad

[sand frost]

I think there are a lot of late 20s/early 30s people in the chat (a noticeable difference from ex. #town-square)

[cinder karma]

To be fair

[safe dragon]

I mean like 9 years ago I had a dumbledore inspired pfp with crumbs in his beard...

[cinder karma]

These signs mean "no stopping" and "no parking"

[safe dragon]

they do?

[cinder karma]

How the fuck is anyone supposed to know that

[sand frost]

i guess those are related concepts

[safe dragon]

lessons

[sand frost]

and they look sort of similar

no and extra no?

[cinder karma]

In your fucking country, Crumblr

[sand frost]

is the X one no stopping?

so I can see the logic even if I'd be cursing under my breath the whole time

[cinder karma]

I interpreted these as "forbidden" and "railway crossing"

[safe dragon]

atra we are not the only country to use these signs

[sand frost]

i hear it's like...the whole EU

[cinder karma]

This is "speed limit is no longer 50 km/hr"

[safe dragon]

that's an american sign is it not

[cinder karma]

No it's dutch

[safe dragon]

oh

we have white signs?

[cinder karma]

American would be https://share.google/images/oWK2UIrQRuTXPQjRM

[long verge]

american wouldn't use km/h

[red crest]

dont think america typically uses a "speed limit is no longer x" sign, theyd just put up a different sign saying what the new speed limit is in most cases ive seen

[safe dragon]

smh that would be a "the speed limit is now 50 mph" sign

[red crest]

ive seen specific signs for ending truck specific speed limits tho

[safe dragon]

I think in most cases there is no sign of any kind denoting the speed limit where you are

[red crest]

but thats usually it

[safe dragon]

it's determined by the road type

[sand frost]

that's kind of wild

you just have to guess what road type?

[safe dragon]

no

it's not hard to know that

[sand frost]

i mean in the US there's a whole spectrum of roads

from tiny residential to medium sized residential to bigger arteries to small highways to big interstates

[safe dragon]

pretty much everything in a city would be 30 kmh with some of the bigger roads being 50

[cinder karma]

I'm ollllddddd

[sand frost]

are there also signs to tell what kind of road?

[sand frost]

lmao

[safe dragon]

if it deviates from that pattern it'll have a sign

[sand frost]

only compared to some of the children in this server 😛

[cinder karma]

Fun fact

[safe dragon]

not signs no but the road would have different markings or a pretty obvious "well I am in the middle of a residential neighborhood rn"

[cinder karma]

A woman at zumba today asked me if I worked

[sand frost]

like "do you work out?"

or

[cinder karma]

I have no clue why I got that question

I look like prime working age!!!!

[sand frost]

"do you have a job? you seem too young/old for that"

i feel like "do you have a job you seem too old" would be considered rude

so maybe you look young

[safe dragon]

presumably young yes

[sand frost]

otoh i guess it could be "you look afab, maybe you stay at home w kids"

was she trying to recruit you into a MLM?

[devout vault]

A main road going almost all the way to downtown from my parents house has a highway speed limit (45), and we have no idea why

It's also 3 lanes wide on each side

[sand frost]

the road i live on is 2 lanes each way but it transitions from highway (65mph) down to large residential (35 mph) and drivers do NOT listen

[red crest]

this is my favourite road sign i think. love the wavy. dont know what it means tho

[sand frost]

it's literally a highway 5 miles down the road

[sand frost]

ooh i've seen lots of these

[cinder karma]

Roundabout?

[sand frost]

it means there's 2 lanes entering the roundabout

[red crest]

i live near a ton of roundabouts and have never seen this sign

[safe dragon]

right lane only allows you to go straight but you do have to swerve to juke out those behind you

[sand frost]

the left lane is if you want to go straight or left around the roundabout

if you take the right lane you have to get off, no cutting left

it's always fun to figure these out on the fly in a new roundabout when you're guessing which exit goes where

[red crest]

something tells me we should have these signs considering how often people almost hit us trying to do exactly that

[cinder karma]

Doubt

[sand frost]

driving in Boston area is super fun

[safe dragon]

really thought I think dutch road design is very consistent and well defined i don't think I have ever had any issues or required conscious thought to know what kind of road I am on and what the appropriate speed on it would be

[devout vault]

I hate these roundabouts because other people don't get that that's how it works so if you need to go straight on the left lane you have to be really careful because sometimes people on the right lane will try to go left anyways

[sand frost]

there's lots of these and the gps will tell you "get off on the cranberry highway" or whatever and you have to guess which exit

[devout vault]

The main roundabout from my parents house to previously mentioned big road is one of these

[red crest]

thats pretty much a daily occurence here

[cinder karma]

Tbh I have no clue where Button lives

I'm gonna assume England for no reason 😛

[red crest]

if i want to drive anywhere i have to take 3 roundabouts just to get out of this residential-esque area

[sand frost]

sometimes it tells you "third exit" but you never know how many roads come into the roundabout

[devout vault]

I don't mind roundabouts, I just don't trust people on the two lane ones

[sand frost]

apparently the only foolproof solution is to just memorize every roundabout within driving distance

[safe dragon]

many roundabouts here too

[cinder karma]

(I do see Button's time zone. I'm ignoring all evidence to the contrary.)

Or maybe button is Canadian

[sand frost]

i only hate the high time pressure of deciding which way to go

if i know where i want to go, roundabouts are fine

[devout vault]

driving in general tbh

[cinder karma]

I love roundabouts and trains

[devout vault]

(I am not a fan of driving)

[devout vault]

What if the train uses a roundabout?

[red crest]

when i first got moved here i looked at the roundabouts and thought to myself "? whats telling the other drivers to not do the easy-to-accidentally-do maneuveour that will absolutely lead to a collision?" and the answer was apparently "nothing"

[sand frost]

when my family visited the UK, we had so many roundabouts while driving on the wrong side of the road that I just pointed with my arm to indicate direction when I was navigating

[cinder karma]

Why would a train use a roundabout

[sand frost]

saying "go left" was a perilous adventure

[cinder karma]

Trains don't turn

[safe dragon]

funzies

[sand frost]

what about hte things that let them spin around in a station

[cinder karma]

Elizabeth can I complain about Hong Kong outlets

[sand frost]

these things https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_turntable

[red crest]

i want one of those for my driveway

[cinder karma]

They just have engines on both ends now!

[sand frost]

you can but i've never been to hk

[safe dragon]

I'm now imagining all trains going in perfectly straight lines

[cinder karma]

They don't spinny spin anymore

[sand frost]

such a disappointment

mmore spin more better, right casey?

[cinder karma]

Let's seeee

Tesla factory....I think all cars in parking lot are Teslas

[safe dragon]

what a surprise that would be

[cinder karma]

Okay the normal cybertruxk is ugly but this maroon one is fun

[devout vault]

Only if Spenny is around

[safe dragon]

show up at the tesla factory in your renault twingo

[cinder karma]

It pains me to say this but my next car is probably a Tesla

Because no other company wants to make an electric car

[sand frost]

just check for defects carefully lol

i thought rivian did electric pickups

[safe dragon]

...what?

[cinder karma]

I dont want a pick up

[sand frost]

yeah fair

[safe dragon]

there's tons of electric cars these days

[sand frost]

me neither

crumble i think we have diff cars here

[cinder karma]

A lot of American companies have stopped/paused their electrical car programs

[sand frost]

like i don't think we have lots of the newer chinese evs

[cinder karma]

I literally cannot kmport a BYD/etc

[safe dragon]

my train passes a BYD dealership

[sand frost]

who tf wants a ford f-150 electric https://www.caranddriver.com/features/g32463239/new-ev-models-us/

it looks like hyundai ioniq could be promising? idk any details tho

similarly, def not getting a beemer

i think i have a coworker with a nissan leaf who likes it a lot

[cinder karma]

Chevy bolt would be ideal

Or Nissan Leaf

[sand frost]

but most of this list is

• ridiculous luxury cars
• stupid expensive pickups
• unreliable american cars
• literally a giant work truck

[cinder karma]

Yup

I dont make BMW money lol

[sand frost]

hmm the subaru solterra?

[safe dragon]

I've watched enough Not Just Bikes videos to have a well cultivated hatred for american cars and trucks

there's actually 1 dude in my home town with an imported dodge ram

ridiculously gigantic vehicle

it doesn't fit in the parking spaces so it's always in the way

[sand frost]

there's some places where legit you'd want a pickup but since i've spent most of my life living in major cities it's mostly stupid reasons people have them

[cinder karma]

Yup,

Although frankly I'm keeping my beautiful Honda CRV until I cant

Such a pretty car too

[safe dragon]

if I were to get a car eventually I'd get something small to make parking less horrible

[sand frost]

my toyota sienna is going to get driven until something big fails, like the engine or transmission

it's kind of big, you wouldn't like it

but i can haul around 4x8 plywood or up to 8 people

[safe dragon]

if I had a smol car I could possibly somewhat reliably park somewhere near my street

[sand frost]

like one of those tiny italian ones? cinquecento or something?

[safe dragon]

that'd be kinda neat but a lil more than that probably...

[cobalt shore]

I've got a 2007 Honda Fit with almost 200000 miles on it and I will drive her and fix her until she just won't anymore.

[sand frost]

I'm decently good at parallel parking my minivan so parking isn't a huge deal, but one time i was in nyc and turned into one of their tiny underground double decker garages and the guy legit asked how i got in there

I'm only at 130,000 so I expect to have a good few more years

it should be good until 200,000 most likely

[safe dragon]

I've always found it quite baffling that there are people out there that buy new cars

I'm aware that's a necessity for there to be used cars

but it seems like such a terrible financial decision

[sand frost]

my family buys new and drives them into the ground

there's some warranties that apply for new cars but not used

[cobalt shore]

All my cars have been some degree of used, mostly lovingly so.

[sand frost]

and depending on how used, you never know exactly the history

whether they did oil changes regularly, etc

that being said the used car market has been crazy recently

so idk if the same tradeoffs apply

technically my car is used but the previous owners were "my grandpa, my mom, my brother"

[safe dragon]

my dad always buys second or third hand toyota's. He's had 3 within the 28 years I've been alive. I think he's had the current one for over 10 years and it second hand so it's got a few more years on top of that

[cinder karma]

Yeah, I looked, it's almost not worth it these days

[crystal wren]

Just buy a Beetle and convert it. Entirely exactly the same effort /j

https://evwest.com/volkswagen-vw-beetlebug-hyper-9-120v-26-5kw-ev-conversion-complete-kit-regen-brakes-battery-packs-1956-1977

[sand frost]

yeah, atra is EE right? that means you'd know how to build your own

[cobalt shore]

I've had Pennywise the longest though -- drove it from the Carolinas to New England when I moved and done the trip back to visit several times. As long as I change the oil and keep and chuck some cataclean through it she's been a beast.

[sand frost]

mine has been cross-country 3x

(for the europeans in the chat that's about 5000km across the US)

[safe dragon]

as if I have a mental image of what 5000 km is

[sand frost]

lol

at least it's not in miles 😛

[crystal wren]

What are kilometers? We don't know those!

[sand frost]

are you truly european tho? 😛

[safe dragon]

I have no idea how many kilometers it is to my job

[devout vault]

am I being gaslit

[sand frost]

3000 miles

[crystal wren]

European, yes!

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6850 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1452363024663973990)

[crystal wren]

European Unonion, nope!

[sand frost]

no onions 4 u

[safe dragon]

it's like 35 km to the office apparently

[long verge]

Switzerland ?

[sand frost]

amsterdam to istanbul is about 2500 km apparently

[safe dragon]

so that's uh... 71 days of commuting for 5000 km

[sand frost]

DH is a brit

lisbon to the top of finland is about 5000km

there is of course some water in the way

[safe dragon]

no sane person would ever drive that

[sand frost]

not this time of year in finland, anyways 😛

[safe dragon]

a nice trip to lisbon during the winter solstice

[sand frost]

surely lisbon is nice this time of year

[safe dragon]

god how I wish we had actually nice to use international train travel here

beyond a few select routes

[sand frost]

i watch some video content about trains in europe and i'm jealous

i saw a guy go from like norway to spain

different guys going all around france and germany and switzerland

[safe dragon]

idk it's not a great experience to book

[sand frost]

sure, i guess my perspective is that ours are a) WAY slower in many cases b) nonexistent in many others

[safe dragon]

you need to book each segment separately pretty much and then try to have really big royal transfer periods because unlike transfers in plane travel you have no safeguards

[sand frost]

across similar distances but not int'l

[safe dragon]

you're lucky if that train service's website even supports a language you can understand sometimes

[sand frost]

for example, i drove around 600 miles over the last couple days — a train in many cases would also take 2 days (~24 hrs)

I don't mind other languages lol I can muddle through written french/often german even

[cinder karma]

I like good engineering and I cant deny

I can make this fit the mix a lot song I swear

[sand frost]

my husband and i coped fine in japan reading lots of japanese

here the trains are also more expensive than planes

other than certain routes booked very far in advance

[safe dragon]

they are here too

[cinder karma]

Weird

[safe dragon]

trains are basically never cheaper than taking the plane

[cinder karma]

I like trains and I can't lie

[sand frost]

i also just enjoy the train more, the older i get the less i like the pressurization changes

[safe dragon]

me too

[cinder karma]

(All the other countries can't deny?)

[safe dragon]

for the few routes we have a good train for like going to Paris or London via eurostar

there even though they cost more it's easily the superior option

just to avoid all the plane shenanigans

especially to paris cause you stay within the EU so you just get on the train at a regular platform

[sand frost]

once a day trains are common on many routes in the us

once an hour is good

once every 30 min is best in country

[safe dragon]

the train to paris stops on the same platform I take to go home actually

[sand frost]

accidental trip to paris?

[safe dragon]

I've joked about it before

[cinder karma]

Go get that brie

[safe dragon]

it'd be very obviously very quickly that it's the wrong train considering it's fully red

while none of our trains are red

[cinder karma]

Do you have to scan your passport when you get out

[safe dragon]

no not for paris

you don't leave the schengen area at all

so no passport checks

for London you do have a luggage check and a passport check

it's still a lot better than the airport experience but not as nice

and you can sit there feeling superior about how few carbon emissions you're responsible for in your trip

eurostar at the bottom chillin