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marble jewel
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I use Zellij for tabs/panes/multiplexing, but I'm thinking about trying Wezterm's native tabs/panes/multiplexing

pliant snow
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I use splits mainly and thats about ut

dusty pollen
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and if you use i3 (btw) it comes with tabs snob

lethal walrus
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but i have many windows
i have like 3 terminal tabs
i want to stay within the terminal tabs when swapping

long verge
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tabs ? nah i'd rather start multiple terminal windows and alt tab 👁️ 👄 👁️

pliant snow
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Some would argue you shouldnt have that many terminals open

dusty pollen
lethal walrus
dusty pollen
lethal walrus
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tbh i thought containerd was intentional

dusty pollen
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containerd is me

long verge
pliant snow
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Other top terminal tool i use -- yazi

red crest
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i dont know what any of you are talking about

marble jewel
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My terminal toolkit includes: atuin, bat, direnv, eza, fd, fzf, ripgrep, tldr, yazi, and zoxide

red crest
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those are made up things i just know it

marble jewel
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Among others, but those are ones I find most useful

pliant snow
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We're all AI generated, just to confuse you with made up terms

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I use lsd instead of exa

red crest
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what the hell is a terminal toolkit

pliant snow
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What is direnv

red crest
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im not linux enough for any of this SDVpufferpensive

pliant snow
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not yet

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dua and btop i also use a lot

dusty pollen
safe dragon
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I use yazi on windows because I can never remember how to do anything with powershell 🙏

long verge
red crest
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if i ever get a completely fresh new PC ill plausibly try linux full time but switching over is too much of a headache that i dont want to deal with presently

marble jewel
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If you're on Windows and want to dip your toes, WSL is a perfectly viable option

red crest
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i use linux on my server PC and on my laptop, i just dont use it for my full time PC

marble jewel
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Ah, I only recently started using it as my main desktop.

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Although the Windows PC is still what I use for gaming

red crest
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but ive still nver heard of any of these things. i just click the lil icon that says "Terminal" and bam. thats my toolkit. impressive right

long verge
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I use it as the "productive OS", and switch to windows when i want to play games

marble jewel
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On my Linux PC I'm just wasting time, on my Windows PC I'm wasting even more time, and on my iPad I waste the rest of my time

dusty pollen
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oh wow that’s me

-# sent from my iPad™

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marble jewel
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Today in Linux, I made a dmenu script so that I can quickly open a new ssh tab on Wezterm

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red crest
marble jewel
safe dragon
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I have uh, fzf, ripgrep, tldr and yazi

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of that list

marble jewel
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Because switching to the terminal, adding a new tab, and typing ssh host is too much work

safe dragon
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definitely

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cool thanks I guess I won't declare work expenses

dusty pollen
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there’s at least one thing on there I think may be both

fleet wren
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I'm sure this game is dead easy for people who grew up on Pokemon

marble jewel
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If it was 151, then I'd have it in the bag, but I don't know the 10 thousand other pokemon

dusty pollen
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just memorise the full bdg rap, ez

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including the part where the audience shouts a bunch of stuff

marble jewel
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Pokemon!

curl -sL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/sindresorhus/pokemon/refs/heads/main/data/en.json | jq -r '.[]' | fzf
prisma flume
safe dragon
prisma flume
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but i get the feeling changing wholesale is going to be a pain in all my asses since i've got no idea how git and such are going to enjoy the filesystem change

marble jewel
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git doesn't mind, you just maybe have to configure the crlf setting

red crest
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mint's what i went with for my laptop, would probably be what i used if i swapped my current pc over

marble jewel
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But if you go with mint, you can't tell people you use Arch, btw

red crest
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why not? i dont care about lying

prisma flume
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i'm immune. i use windows 11 btw

lyric bloom
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reappears from an impromptu crash nap on 3hours of sleep

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I wouldl ike to tell present self that overcomplicating something you use to save time is not in your best interests

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(basically, PySide6 has it's own MVC stuff for data binding.)

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(But if you want to use SQLAcademy, it apparently needs some finessing, but apparently no one does this combo anymore, and the people who did, have vanished into the aether.)

hushed raven
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AoC why do you stop wget from grabbign the input data, manually copying it to a file is it

devout vault
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It what

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Why would AoC of all things do that

hushed raven
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I have no idea, ngl I don't really know if it's specifically AoC thats doing it (it probably isn't) it was just the first thing I was to toss blame at XD, error 400 bad request returned

red crest
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make it slightly more difficult for AI scrapers, maybe?

devout vault
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I was gonna say "because changing the user agent is so hard and unknown" but then I saw you said AI

dusty pollen
hushed raven
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that constitutes the "copying it to a file", bad wording on my part

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omg theres more than one part? I thought it seemed a tad easy even for the 1st day

devout vault
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Doesn't AoC always have two parts per question, or am I misremembering since I haven't done one in years

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Or is this your first AoC?

hushed raven
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This is my first one, never done it before at all

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hushed raven
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yep! XD peer pressured into it, the one time I give in to peer pressure it seems is when it's my hobby

red crest
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putting money on day 4 for atlas

hushed raven
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for what? when I stop?

red crest
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ive got money on day 4

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all you need to know

hushed raven
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Do I get the money if I pass day 4? I will take it if so XD

lyric bloom
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something about mocking up a GUI makes mejust kinda hard-stop

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i wish I knew why

fleet wren
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GUI sux is universal human experience

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embrace cmd

hushed raven
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same, I think for me it's the breaking it apart into the different parts needed that stops me for a while, I find drawing it on paper helps quite a lot though

uncut seal
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damn, day 3 was easy af

prisma flume
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GUI is wonderful and nice. GUI only stops being nice when people suggest ways of changing your GUI, because they somehow don't see the wonder or understand the nuance of my vision

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the masses are blind

steel kraken
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frontends are great

safe dragon
steel kraken
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past me had said infra to do that

safe dragon
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the global leaderboards are thankfully gone now so it's hopefully not a big problem anymore

hushed raven
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Ahhh gotcha, I had a feeling it was to do with bandwith or something, just didn't think about speed running

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it's always beautiful seeing quite an impressive CPU capped to 100%

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tbh is it capped at 100% bc it's thermal throttling, but that's understandable

hushed raven
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incredable, my keyboard has swapped the wasd keys with the arrow keys, how on earth has that happened

safe dragon
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only you can answer that one

hushed raven
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apparently Fn + W does that, I had no idea that was a thing

safe dragon
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it certainly isn't on any of my keyboards

hushed raven
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this is the first keyboard I've ever had that does this, never known a laptop to do it either

uncut seal
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I went back to yesterday's AoC pb because I got frustrated with string manipulation in C at the time, and I managed to cook a solution that seems to be in O(n²) with n the number of digits of the largest boundary SDVpuffercoolest

safe dragon
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nice

prisma flume
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nice

cinder karma
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What

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Hi button!

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I'm now reunited with my America style plugs

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Unfortunately airplane will take off shortly

red crest
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before i switched majors to computer science i took some electrical engineering course that required us buying some neat little hardware thingy and program it with verilog

cinder karma
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Yay! There is no one next to me

red crest
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thats the one, i was trying to remember the acronym

cinder karma
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Byeeeeee

red crest
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all i could remember was it startd with F

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goodbye!!

cinder karma
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Seee y'all on the other side

red crest
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goodnight from me

steel kraken
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@cinder karma Now that you’re back, I must inform you of the horrors I found while you were away: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness#Middle-endian

In computing, endianness is the order in which bytes within a word data type are transmitted over a data communication medium or addressed in computer memory, counting only byte significance compared to earliness. Endianness is primarily expressed as big-endian (BE) or little-endian (LE).
Computers store information in various-sized groups of bi...

dusty pollen
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whoo atra is back! I don’t have to be the only one who has no idea what any games are any more

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...wait a second

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@sand frost why is your name still a halloween name

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Or is this a toned down version of halloween name already, I can't remember

devout vault
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I love it when companies going passwordless and I can only log in via mobile phone number
(/s, of course)

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...at least I can actually sign in to pizza hut on firefox now

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Ah yes, everyone wants to see the exciting gaming action of Aseprite

tranquil grove
devout vault
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Remind me in 2 years to see if I remember the horrors

heavy daggerBOT
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i think that reminder is set for past my bedtime... but I think you're special kittycatcasey so I'll do it, for you (#6977440) (2y | <t:1827850687>)

devout vault
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....uber is broken. why is uber being nice

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Like, even if the super mean stuff was turned off

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That's super nice compared to normal

sand frost
devout vault
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Ah

crystal wren
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Act is a bloody lifesaver. That is all.

devout vault
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Well, maybe it’ll fix itself once it gets warmer again, since it’s tire pressure being low? 😛

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crystal wren
devout vault
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Ah

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Wow, yeah, that looks great

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I was gonna make a joke about the ACT (ie. The standardized test thing here in the US)

crystal wren
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...I don't think I even know what that stands for.

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Well, minus the last letter. That feels obvious.

sand frost
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devout vault
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It is (or was?) the alternative to the SAT (which I also don’t know what it stands for)

fleet wren
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apparently they both no longer stand for anything

dusty pollen
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aptitude camptitude test, of course

fleet wren
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*testitude

dusty pollen
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my bad you are absolutely correct

sand frost
devout vault
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Looks like a brownie with powdered sugar applied unevenly

sand frost
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a terrible brownie!

robust quarry
thin estuary
crystal wren
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I do not, in fact, like that.

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Because I have done that.

thin estuary
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me too

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not with Github, but me too

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crystal wren
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Ooh, you added Nexus upload too.

devout vault
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Here's a highlight

devout vault
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At least last I tried it didn't work

thin estuary
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definitely not me

devout vault
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I tried

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But uh

safe dragon
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I had like 25 releases before I had something that actually worked

marble jewel
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lyric bloom
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reminds me of some commits once I had

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I think it was "attempt x to fix y" nine times

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thanks, pycharm, but I'm not adding accents when I don't need to to my source code

safe dragon
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jetbrains IDEs love their spellchecking

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I've always turned that off

lyric bloom
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I am sorely tempted:

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I can't fix __tablename__ as you can guess, so this is a very pointless error lol

cinder karma
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Xboxes changed their endianess between i think 360 and the next onr

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Anyways

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Me being back is a relative statement, considering how long we have been waiting on this taxiway

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Well, there is no foreseeable plan to getting us off this taxiway

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Joy!

sand frost
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At some point they legally have to give you food and water I think?

cinder karma
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We got off the taxiway!

cinder karma
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Guyssss

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I found the best YouTube video

mighty plume
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oh ive seen this guy!

prisma flume
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strange to think he became famous for a thorough analysis on dishwasher powder SDVdemetriums

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i liked his videos on vhs/betamax and the various cd/dvd physical formats

steel kraken
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dont forget the latent heat and the refrigeration cycle

red crest
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technology connections? you mean the guy who thinks brown is weird?

sand frost
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brown is a weird color tbf

prisma flume
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the brown is weird video did actually come to me while doing some mod page art a while ago

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because of course a middle-yellow just looks far too green on a red-pink background, i ended up with a very orange-red hue instead, which looks yellow in context

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and then ingame the same colours looked far too red on the garish green grass in SDV, so those had to slide way back into yellow-green

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it's all about mood and context with colour, i have no idea how people can draw their sprites on a plain grey/checkerboard canvas in their art software and expect it to look/feel the same ingame on a bright colourful background

sand frost
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i usually draw on white backgrounds, but sometimes i do a pale orange-yellowish

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as the lowest layer

prisma flume
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i'll draw on white backgrounds when i get around to winter tilesheets 🙂‍↕️

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on a more off-topic note i am actually really liking having a standing desk. just gotta walk my laptop and mouse back into the living room, plug in the hdmi, and stand around until it goes to power saver

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wayyyy less pain and strain than just sitting around all day weekdays

pliant snow
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Not sure why git isn't one of the top then

prisma flume
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i know a lot of software companies are doing yearly wrapped summaries for engagement and all but the terminal

pliant snow
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no one is safe

hushed raven
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I love that, useless but that would be so fun to have

pliant snow
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atuin is nice

sand frost
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Is this a real wrapped or a joke?

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I think my top commands are git and python if we exclude the SMAPI launch script

pliant snow
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it's a real wrapped

cinder karma
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Error analysis

supple ether
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Hmmmm discovered a tricky new wrinkle with source generators

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If you're reading an attribute argument, and the syntax is using a constant expression instead of a single value, you can't just grab the resulting constant value

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I assume there's some way around this, but I'm not really sure what it is

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You can use ToCsharpString(), but that does not cover all use cases

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Every time I find a new bug in my generator, I realize why source generators aren't that common

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(there's a ton of non-obvious edge cases, debugging them is extremely difficult, making them properly incremental is moderately obtuse, and there's a lot of hidden complexities and poor documentation.)

steel kraken
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It wasn't a fun time correlating source analyser stuff with Cecil stuff

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Both subtly different in ways that was very not fun

past cradle
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Someone please get it I know a lot will but please 🙏🏻

steel kraken
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🤓 well actually its three knocks then the word penny, not penny three times

uncut seal
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He does repeat this sequence three times in total though

cinder karma
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I absolutely hated that TV show and thought it was a poor representation of autistic people SDVpufferthumbsup

hushed raven
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I haven't actually sat down to watch it, only seen various clips, but from what I've seen I can pretty much wholely agree

cinder karma
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I'm also confused as to why KnocksOnDoor is a static function

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And doesnt require an instance of Sheldon

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(I'm also a 🤓 )

dusty pollen
cinder karma
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I'm both upset this exists and jealous I dont get one

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Help. My todo app changed its icon, that TRAIToR

uncut seal
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I watched it to learn english

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doesn't make it good tho

cyan shadow
uncut seal
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just testing something, does someone know a wokaround to this?
||```C
c = a || b;

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the || operator breaks spoiler formating around a code block

hushed raven
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I think you can escape it? ||||

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Yep

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With \

dusty pollen
uncut seal
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||```C
c = a || b;

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nope, not inside a code block

hushed raven
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Wtf that's so odd

uncut seal
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yep

dusty pollen
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I don’t think you can spoil a codeblock, spoilers are kind of an inline thing SDVpufferthinkblob

uncut seal
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you can though
||```C
my code :)

worn remnant
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spoiler and code block seem ideologically incompatible to me, tbh

pliant snow
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if (a||b||c) {
  foo();
}
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are you doing code blocks right

hushed raven
uncut seal
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lmao

dusty pollen
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||```C
c = a || b;

||
uncut seal
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tried this already

hushed raven
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Or that one XD

pliant snow
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I did nothing fancy, and my code block worked just fine

dusty pollen
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they’re trying to put a spoiler around it too

uncut seal
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yeah but it's not a spoiler

pliant snow
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oh

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well yeah that wont work

uncut seal
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@discord your thing is borked

frosty echo
uncut seal
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what are you seeing?

frosty echo
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You want a spoiler with a code block in it, with a || in the code?

uncut seal
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yup

frosty echo
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Ah

uncut seal
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Anyway, I made a solution for AOC day 4 part 2 with no data structure (other than the grid itself) by using the function call stack

hushed raven
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If you didn't remind me about AOC I fear Button would've been right XD

frosty echo
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||```c
c = a |​| b;

uncut seal
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are you using an alternate character? SDVpuffersus

frosty echo
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Well, almost

worn remnant
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i have a perennial solution to AOC, which is to not participate 😌

frosty echo
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||Zero-width space between the two |s in the middle||

lethal walrus
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horrific

hushed raven
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Oh that's genius

uncut seal
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yeah, I don't think the compiler will like that

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I guess that's a good anti-copy-paste measure

worn remnant
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(there are no good anti-copy-paste measures)

hushed raven
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If the compiler is smart it wouldn't care about them, I know a decent few interpreters don't mind them

frosty echo
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||C c = a |​¦ b;||

lethal walrus
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at least node isnt this cursed

uncut seal
dusty pollen
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the obvious solution is to use bitwise or instead of logical or

worn remnant
dusty pollen
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should work if you don’t need short circuiting SDVkrobusgiggle

hushed raven
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Stackoverflow would be chaos if copypaste didn't work

dusty pollen
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stackoverflow adding an instant credit comment to copied code is genius

hushed raven
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A what?

dusty pollen
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// Source - https://stackoverflow.com/a
// Posted by Patrick Johnmeyer, modified by community. See post 'Timeline' for change history
// Retrieved 2025-12-04, License - CC BY-SA 2.5

bool result = true;
result = result && a() && b();
// will not call a() if result false, will not call b() if result or a() false
hushed raven
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Oh credit as in crediting someone, not as in monetary credit

dusty pollen
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the bit at the top!

hushed raven
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That's pretty cool!

dusty pollen
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not visible in the answer itself

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they should probably fix the actual link not working though lmao

past cradle
frosty echo
# lethal walrus :(
    c = a |​| b;
           ^
SyntaxError: invalid non-printable character U+200B``` 🐍
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past cradle
past cradle
cyan shadow
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edgy lion
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I present for the council of code crimes, advent of code day 1 part 1 in dc (desk calculator)

SPOILER SPOILER
(if it's even a readable language lmao)
||echo '[100 % 100 + 100 %] sn [100 %] sp 0 Sr [Lr 1 + Sr] sz [d 100 !>p d 0 >n d 0 =z] sx 50' (sed -e 's/R\(.*\)/\1 + lxx/' -e 's/L\(.*\)/\1 - lxx/' input.txt) 'c Lr f' | dc||

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# dusty pollen -# and jews

-# okay after quill's followup and your followup again, this is starting to sound like "poor representation: the tv series"

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hushed raven
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I code on my smart fridge actually, much nicer experience

devout vault
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I usually do a

// https://stackoverflow.com/idk-some-question-don't-look-too-closely
<stolen code here>
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hushed raven
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That was a terrible pun.... It did however make me giggle XD

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# dusty pollen -# and nerds and women and nerdy women

It always made me feel deeply uncomfortable. Like it was pretending to be written for nerds but actually written for normies to make them feel more clever and in touch than they actually are at the expense of the people the show is theoretically about

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dusty pollen
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it made me uncomfortable because of how it insisted I didn't exist and if I did it meant I would apparently be constantly sexualised if I tried interacting with guys

supple ether
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Ah yeah I didn't consider that but you're absolutely right. I haven't seen any of the parts with female characters

devout vault
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I have not watched the show but its very much sounding like I won't be

supple ether
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I saw half of an episode in a doctor's office and it made my skin crawl

dusty pollen
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oh yeah some of them are awful

(on the other hand, the bits of young sheldon not involving sheldon or his mother are actually surprisingly decent)

devout vault
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Oh, it's a classic "this show would be great if not for the main characters"?

hushed raven
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Imo it seems so from the clips I've seen

dusty pollen
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the spinoff is, yeah

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not the actual bing bang theory, that show just sucks

marble jewel
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I heard this quote in a video I watched recently, and it resonated with me (paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact words)

If Big Bang Theory is a show about nerds written by "normal" people, then Community is a show about normal people written by nerds

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Community was a fun show

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I'd rewatch it if I didn't have trouble rewatching things

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(And live action stuff in general has a much harder time keeping my attention)

marble jewel
fleet wren
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I would have said Big Bang Theory is the perfect microcosm of how minority/neurodivergent people are viewed in the early millennia, but it is just as likely responsible for those views in the first place

devout vault
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It can be both

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Don't you love media flanderizing people's perception of actual people? 😔

marble jewel
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Every minority goes through a misrepresentation phase

devout vault
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Similar, but much sillier and lower stakes and less important (not exactly a minority of any kind): hacking in media vs hacking IRL

fleet wren
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speaking from the heart here but I absolutely despise the "Asians are smart nerds" stereotype

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and I feel like it's still inescapable even in the big 2025

marble jewel
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Neurodivergents are (were?) just going through this phase of media portrayal

safe dragon
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an upgrade from being forcefully admitted to a psychiatric "hospital" 🙏

marble jewel
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Very true

safe dragon
marble jewel
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I've been pretty pleased to see Asian actors taking on roles other than cliche Asian stereotypes (i.e. what some might call white roles)

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And it's something I've only noticed relatively recently, like in the past decade or so

safe dragon
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as a kid all you need for the smart nerd stereotype is glasses

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nice and simple

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put on glasses and bam

devout vault
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Objection!

I wear glasses and I’m an idiot

safe dragon
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wear contacts, lose 20 iq points

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tough world

safe dragon
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I’d like to think INT was better, but the current meta seems to value CHA the most

safe dragon
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talk your way through life

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marble jewel
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Games need more neurodivergent representation where instead of having to socialize with NPCs, you can just peacefully keep to yourself and go about your adventuring unnoticed

safe dragon
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that's runescape

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🙏 🙏

devout vault
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People beat botw only taking to the king at the beginning because they have to for the glider, and immediately kill ganon to save the world while ignoring the side quests to make it easier.

If that’s not social anxiety, what is?

marble jewel
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I... I mean my character... needs the right amount of recognition without being seen

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Is that too much to ask for

safe dragon
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appreciated but not interacted with

devout vault
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So you want the attention without the consequences of said attention?

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I can’t say I disagree.

But yes, it seems like that’s too much to ask for

safe dragon
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granted, you'll become well regarded and commonly cited... after your death...

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pretty common

safe dragon
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yes

cinder karma
devout vault
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I may have domain specific knowledge, but by and large I am, in fact, an idiot

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...guess I have to be less mean to myself now that atra is back

cinder karma
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As for representing in video games

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I have all the representing I need

devout vault
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I thought you unlocked everything already

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Did they add yet another room

cyan shadow
hushed raven
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The "game" doesn't stop when you unlock everything right? There's just not much point continuing is what I'd guess would happen

devout vault
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I mean they've added a room at least twice since atra has started using the app

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Originally it had one, but I know I saw a screenshot was a second was added, and another later with a third

hushed raven
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Oh cool, I must've installed it to try it out when it already had 3

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I did find a way to immediately make it null and void though so that interest was lost quick

cinder karma
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You remind me

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My dumb ass forgot to start my time tracker for work this morning

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Now my data js bad

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dusty pollen
cinder karma
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Vim please work with me today

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(grumbles)

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It's a fucking tiny thing but

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I HATE how the new source control doesn't allow me to use an editor of my choice

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To format my commit messages

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This is important because the one the pack

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I can't go back after I newline

devout vault
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I wish I could do something like

var meow = dict.TryGet( "kitty" ) ?? "cat";

I'm not sure how that could be accomplished though, given we can't overload ??

cinder karma
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I'm back for less than 24 hours and the bitching lol

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The bitching has begun

devout vault
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(I mean, an extension method would work too, but that doesn't exist and would be annoying to add to every project)

supple ether
devout vault
devout vault
cinder karma
#

Oh godspees

cinder karma
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You cant use the....

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Oh godspeed

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God speed!

supple ether
cinder karma
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Default isnt null on value types anyways

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And you can't use collections Marshall

devout vault
#

Like imagine intDict.TryGet( "kitty" ) ?? 42

cinder karma
#

Smh

marble jewel
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Isn't that accounted for in the link Atra sent?

cinder karma
#

Yeah, but poor Casey is on net framework

rain apex
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Can u impl a extension

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A generic one

cinder karma
#

And she cant do the collectionsmarshal bs I would do

marble jewel
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Oh, I missed that part

dusty pollen
devout vault
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Also, it's not exclusively dict

dusty pollen
#

ah

devout vault
#

Like the case I actually wanted it just now was for Stack

rain apex
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Like TryGetOr<T>(this dict thing, T default)

cinder karma
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The dotnet version js implemented on an interface

devout vault
#

ie. intStack.TryPeek() ?? 42

marble jewel
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Isn't that what try/catch is used for? /s

int meow;
try
{
  meow = dict["kitty"];
}
catch
{
  meow = "cat"
}
cinder karma
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Fuck you

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(Jk)

rain apex
devout vault
#

I just think it'd be nice if, since C# already has the Try___ idiom, we could do something like anyObject.TrySomething(non-out-parameters) ?? niceDefault as a general language construct

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Even if it needed a new operator or something

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... @ivory shadow request for Chord kthx

dusty pollen
marble jewel
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We need long chains of dot syntax:
anyObject.TrySomething(non-out-parameters).ElseSomething(niceDefault);

devout vault
marble jewel
#

hi.How().Are().You().Today()

devout vault
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ie if ( stack.TryPeek( out var data ) ) { /* ... */ }

cinder karma
#

Also

dusty pollen
cinder karma
#

Dont hatred me

dusty pollen
#

Should().Equal(5)

devout vault
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(supposedly mimics an F# thing I think?)

dusty pollen
devout vault
#

It was like GetSomething() | ProcessThing() | AnotherThing()

cinder karma
#
Stack<int> blah = new();
_ = blah.TryPeek(out var val) || (val = 42) == 42;
devout vault
dusty pollen
devout vault
cinder karma
#

What extra variables

devout vault
#

...also, Pathos might execute me if he saw I added code that bad to vanilla

devout vault
dusty pollen
#

oh you just want to use the value directly

devout vault
#

Yeah

ivory shadow
#

So why not cs int x = blah.TryPeek(out int val) ? val : 42;

dusty pollen
cinder karma
#

Iro

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Plz

devout vault
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I was gonna try something with implicit operators but I realized it still wouldn't work

cinder karma
#

I've been writing shell

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Of course I'm insane

devout vault
ivory shadow
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I mean the variable still goes in the scope, you just don't see it

devout vault
#

Like if I could do something like blah.TryPeek(out _) ? _ : 42, I'd accept that too (even if I'd prefer what I mentioend)

ivory shadow
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Most Java stuff uses Optional<T> as a pattern, and Chord is using Optional<T> in place of Nullable<T>. That lets you do java int x = blah.GetOptional().orElse(42);

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And that's probably what I recommend for Chord. While I have support for ref parameters, the JVM does not have support for them and I have to do them by faking them.

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Chord turns cs int x = blah.TryPeek(out int val) ? val : 42; into something more like java int x; RefInt x$ref = RefInt.ofDefault(); x = blah.TryPeek(x$ref) ? x$ref.value : 42; where RefInt is basically java public final class RefInt { public int value; }

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I'm not sure how well the JVM JIT will optimize that pattern.

devout vault
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Can't wait to write code like blah.die().orElse( arson )

devout vault
dusty pollen
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for stacks, can't you do linq's FirstOrDefault?

devout vault
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dusty pollen
ivory shadow
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Returning an Optional<T> is pretty easy too. Just Optional.of(value) or Optional.empty() as appropriate.

devout vault
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We can do some new C# stuff in compat branch, just not all of it. Targeted new being an annoying example

ivory shadow
cinder karma
#

Lol

devout vault
ivory shadow
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Mainly because LINQ deserves extra care to make it perform better.

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I want the compiler to lower LINQ into stream() operations when possible.

devout vault
#

Keep in mind, I don't care about performance as much with my mods. But:

  • always .net 6, not framework
  • it doesn't affect literally every player of the game
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To be fair I might could use linq in this case

ivory shadow
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stream() being Java's optimized data pipe thing

devout vault
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But I ended up not needing what I was talking about anyways

cinder karma
#

Tbh I think the overhead of FirstOrDefault is minimal

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(Linq isn't terrible, I personally think it's just easy to write bad code with it.)

devout vault
#

Well, I know I've seen code where Pathos has a comment about why he avoided linq

dusty pollen
devout vault
#

Can you even call it a C#-like without LINQ

marble jewel
ivory shadow
#

Speaking of writing bad code in LINQ, you missed the fun in the Minecraft server where I had to do my own optimization of several mods we had that were doing terrible things. I even caught out Create

devout vault
#

Wait really?

#

Do we have custom versions of those mods

#

Did we* I guess

ivory shadow
#

We did, but I submitted my fixes downstream.

devout vault
#

Ah

marble jewel
#

Ahem, #hytale-air-crafters ...

red crest
#

i always thought one of the performance downfalls of linq was just because people weren't aware enough that what linq was doing was a loop and were blowing up there big o notations as a result

dusty pollen
ivory shadow
#

Yeah, you have to manage your Os

devout vault
dusty pollen
#

one day I will download minecraft and join you lot

red crest
#

"this linq function is one word/line, how can it be making this n^2?"

ivory shadow
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We're between seasons currently.

devout vault
red crest
#

it wasn't even an inaccurate comparison

devout vault
red crest
#

lAInq

marble jewel
#

hytale-air-crafters is where some of us gossip about everyone here, it's juicy

dusty pollen
devout vault
#

MC? I don't think so.

The modpacks we play? Possibly, and maybe even probably

dusty pollen
#

I cannot join you then

#

I have 2gb free SDVpuffersquee

devout vault
#

uh

ivory shadow
#

We also plan on a Hytale server when that comes out

devout vault
#

You're not supposed to fill your computer completely

marble jewel
#

There may be other games from time-to-time, some less demanding

devout vault
#

Like you do kinda need spare room

dusty pollen
devout vault
#

I know "I bought the whole cpu HDD I'm gonna use the whole cpu HDD", but still

crystal wren
#

Even worse with an SSD!

devout vault
lethal walrus
#

i imagine if you close your other things you could survive running mc off a ramdisk

#

please ignore the ram usage from the modpack

devout vault
#

So if we start a server you can join with a vanilla client will you join? 😛

dusty pollen
#

Casey I have a total of like 250gb on that computer and 8gb ram

marble jewel
#

Just zip up all your files, and then keep on zipping them again until you have enough free space /s

lethal walrus
#

textures scale in vanilla, right?
you could patch the jar with 1x1 textures

red crest
dusty pollen
marble jewel
#

Actually, that won't work. The trick is to compress in different formats, that's the hack

lethal walrus
marble jewel
#

file.rar.zip.7z.bz2...

devout vault
lethal walrus
#

on ios not sure but android definitely could [run java]

lethal walrus
devout vault
#

...unless we used that mod that can act as a bridge? SDVPufferThink

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The one that lets bedrock clients join java servers

lethal walrus
#

mhm, geyser

crystal wren
#

Oh.

#

Beaten to it!

devout vault
#

Iro we will drag you into playing MC with us even if you're kicking and screaming, if you allow even the smallest possibility

dusty pollen
#

that is way too much effort for you guys to put into this considering my attention span for most 3d games is zero SBVLmaoDog

marble jewel
#

Wait, does iro play video games? do you iro?

lethal walrus
#

what if

dusty pollen
#

I'm willing to try it!

lethal walrus
#

geyser but the client is stardew

dusty pollen
ivory shadow
#

Stardew is a voxel game, after all

#

-# (Did that meme ever hit this server or was it just in the MC server)

marble jewel
#

Yeah, we'll play any voxel game like Stardew Valley, Terraria, or Core Keeper, for example

devout vault
#

For the uninformed

marble jewel
#

Atra, if season 2 of our server is just knitting, would you join?

devout vault
lethal walrus
crystal wren
#

PILLOW, BEATING ME AGAIN. SDVkrobusgiggle

marble jewel
#

Vanilla+Knitting

lethal walrus
#

and you dared removed my embed >:(

dusty pollen
#

I do have a digitalocean server I can put stuff on if you guys need SDVpuffersquee

lethal walrus
crystal wren
#

Did not!

marble jewel
#

I think Pillow has posted too many links, DH should take mod action /s

lethal walrus
#

where'd it go then!!

#

or do you want me to wait for my funny fourth main account

devout vault
#

Tragic

dusty pollen
#

oh right I was gonna do API crime today

devout vault
devout vault
lethal walrus
#

i restarted and its back now

hushed raven
#

I did try log in

lethal walrus
hushed raven
#

Key word try

red crest
#

iro if you play modded Minecraft you can use JavaScript

#

does that entice

dusty pollen
#

use javascript for what

devout vault
#

crime

dusty pollen
devout vault
#

(I don't know)

dusty pollen
#

in game?

marble jewel
#

For everything

devout vault
#

I'm assuming either kubeJS, or integrated dynamics

lethal walrus
devout vault
#

Integrated dynamics scripting is in-game JS

marble jewel
#

We have done many a customization with KubeJS

red crest
# lethal walrus sigh

i just got this forcibly put in mobile and immediately got told I was too private, which like, good

lethal walrus
devout vault
#

Oh the palce I host the server on has a script for installing the bedrock crossplay stuff and setting it up

lethal walrus
#

surprised geyser supports forge

#

or is that on a new spigot server

cinder karma
hushed raven
#

Wait there's a rust Lang mod for MC? Ooo

devout vault
#

Oh yeah

#

Where's that mod I saw was made in rust

lethal walrus
#

theres some pipe mod

#

thats multiple per block

dusty pollen
#

nobody's shocked

lethal walrus
devout vault
#

this one

hushed raven
#

Oh bendy pipes!

marble jewel
#

dem curves...

lethal walrus
hushed raven
#

I saw that mod in dev, it pains me

#

But in a good way

lethal walrus
#

casey is the atm10tts server on a very outdated atm version by any chance

lethal walrus
#

i dont want to bother updating

devout vault
#

And yeah it has mod support (and redstone, apparently)

hushed raven
#

WHY WASNT I MADE AWARE IT SUPPORTED AE2 EARLIER?

#

This is now a must have

devout vault
#

The tagline of that mod should be "Turning your spaghetti wiring into actual spaghetti since 2024"

lethal walrus
#

oh i need to update my next servicse

#

i'd rather not have rce

marble jewel
#

Besides being curved... do they have string physics?

#

Because I just imagine them swaying or bouncing around as you move

crystal wren
#

If there's no tripping mechanic, I'll be disappointed.

marble jewel
#

Pair that with the block/water physics mods for the ultimate cursed experience

hushed raven
#

(apparently)

crystal wren
#

At the block level, or the... visible generated mesh level?

hushed raven
#

Generated mesh level

devout vault
#

From the screenshots, mesh level

hushed raven
#

Want a slope? You get a slope, want a pretzel? Have fun moving around but you got a pretzel

marble jewel
#

How about all of that, and QWOP movement physics

dusty pollen
#

:( no fun

hushed raven
#

Perfect! The most cursed playthrough

lethal walrus
#

can you do it to yourself

dusty pollen
#

if you know what that screenshot is for no you don't

dusty pollen
devout vault
devout vault
#

You need to try

#

For science

dusty pollen
#

can I try you

hushed raven
dusty pollen
#

no that was undefined

hushed raven
#

Damn

devout vault
#

(yes)

dusty pollen
devout vault
#

😔

#

probably a good thing

hushed raven
#

Aww no new vulnerability?

devout vault
#

Also, because it's been a bit

#

<insert rant about phone keyboard key "hitbox" size dynamically changing based on what it thinks you want>

lethal walrus
#

i spell so bad on mobile my autocorrect now corrects to words that dont exist

modest steppe
#

mood

devout vault
hushed raven
#

I used to be great typing on my phone, no clue where that skills gone

modest steppe
#

coding?

fleet wren
#

my autocorrect keeps trying to insert u's into random words
AI training these days, ugh

hushed raven
cinder karma
#

Are you Canadian or no

modest steppe
#

i try to type words and i do it wrong but it seems its too wrong for the filter the realize which word i meant

fleet wren
cinder karma
#

I love how smart my phone keyboard is

devout vault
cinder karma
#

It switches to French sometimes

modest steppe
#

so it recommends my misspelling as a word???

lethal walrus
#

i sent this and discord refused to send it

cinder karma
modest steppe
#

cats!!!!!!

hushed raven
fleet wren
#

the creatures

modest steppe
cinder karma
#

In particular

crystal wren
modest steppe
#

the fact it doesn't ask to put it in the dictionary but just auto does

cinder karma
#

I'm quite sensitive to the camera

devout vault
hushed raven
#

Not anymore

devout vault
#

When DH said it I did

tranquil grove
#

(🗒️ ✍️ SDVpufferthinkblob minecraft: not special)

crystal wren
#

Well I put a void reaction on it.

hushed raven
#

Hence the "anymore"

cinder karma
#

The special is just "does not make me throw up"

devout vault
#

Clearly, you should sneak that emoji onto krobus

modest steppe
#

im more suprised there is a cursedforge server tbh

lethal walrus
#

oh yeah i managed to not buy a domain in november

red crest
#

why not

lethal walrus
#

didnt need more

#

and i got 2 this month already

red crest
#

i don't understand that

devout vault
hushed raven
#

You can never have enough

lethal walrus
#

i bought craftmine.net to annoy someone harassing the owner of .com lmao

devout vault
#

Can I play the craftmine update on it

lethal walrus
#

uhh

#

if you can join a 1.19.2 server running behind viaversion and geyser sure

cinder karma
#

Many times

dusty pollen
#

oh I got distracted but if you guys want to minecraft I will try it

cinder karma
#

You should Minecraft

#

I hear it's a good game

dusty pollen
#

for now I figure out the best way to do this other silly thing

#

which may end up being chaining discord bots

lethal walrus
#

oh that silly thing

dusty pollen
#

it may end up being easier than I thought, all the bot I need to make has to do is a css selector on sent websites

#

where did I install discordjs...

lethal walrus
#

node_modules probably

#

what is the css selector for
-# and however will you get around the anti bot measures

dusty pollen
#

I meant which computer SDVpuffersquee

lethal walrus
#

oh

dusty pollen
#

laptop I think

dusty pollen
lethal walrus
#

i mean, it didnt qualify for the thing

#

so i think i can just

#

give you the details

primal shore
#

Anyone have (a) good website(s) I can sell PC parts on

devout vault
#

I just checked the discord checkpoint thing and I got the privacy thing too

#

sad

safe dragon
#

yup privacy settings

devout vault
#

And I can't even turn it on now and it generate one 😔

safe dragon
#

collecting all my usage data is ok if u give me a nice end of year summary

devout vault
#

I mean if I had a toggle for it only being used for that, I totally would

#

I don't even remember ever turning it off

safe dragon
#

a new privacy setting....

#

I think it's a rather old setting

#

at least I got a banana out of it

devout vault
#

...wait, different people get different things?

#

I got a capybara

crystal wren
#

Do not want banana, will lose Piccolo.

safe dragon
#

someone else got a duck

#

woo gambling

#

lure people into buying one they didn't get but want in the shop

devout vault
#

Oh it's in the shop?

safe dragon
#

surely

cinder karma
#

What

devout vault
#

Well it isn't in the shop at the moment

#

But there is a "buy all these and get a mystery item!"

safe dragon
#

damn they resisted

#

oh

#

woo gamblin

red crest
#

what, theres a banana and i didnt get it?? what a scam

devout vault
fleet wren
#

cant believe discord has gacha now

safe dragon
#

you got scammed

#

the banana fits my pfp

red crest
#

i got this pink origami thing which i think would be better if it didnt have the weird eyes

#

after putting it on though i will admit i do fuck with it as a whole actually

devout vault
red crest
#

pleases my sapphic heart

safe dragon
#

it's interesting that it's not even the highest tier

devout vault
#

Oh, the highest tier is uh

#

Much higher

safe dragon
#

I have no idea what the bubbles are

devout vault
#

The points you get for watching

#

The highest tier is 2.5 million

lethal walrus
#

stream points things

safe dragon
#

you get points for watching?

devout vault
#

Yep

red crest
#

and gambling

devout vault
#

For 2.5 million you get "Starbucks Date + I Buy The Drinks" (ie. I think you can meet him if you're in the area and you redeem that?)

safe dragon
#

I've vaguely heard about twitch having points

devout vault
#

For reference, just "Starbucks Date" is 1 million

safe dragon
#

ewwww

devout vault
#

He's married I think

safe dragon
#

still...

#

parasocial...

devout vault
#

I mean, that's kinda how streamers thrive, is it not

safe dragon
#

I suppose

marble jewel
#

One of my self-hosted services farms points

#

I don't ever "spend" them, but making number go bigger is one of my hobbies

devout vault
#

For reference, I've watched probably like 5 hours of non-archived stuff (which I assume doesn't count), and I'm 0.1% of the way there

lethal walrus
safe dragon
#

only 5000 hours ez

marble jewel
#

My Twitch EOY thingy is all messed up

lethal walrus
#

shiocking

marble jewel
#

I use an unofficial client, so I don't get credit for my watch time. The service is to balance that out.

devout vault
#

And that's without redeeming any other ones

#

Like making him only speak in swedish for a minute

hushed raven
#

(what's with the pfp borders everyone has, is this a cult thing...)

devout vault
#

Or, again, getting scammed

devout vault
safe dragon
lethal walrus
hushed raven
#

Ahhh gotcha, ugh that means I have to get out of bed

lethal walrus
#

from a human not discord

devout vault
#

See, I'd use it if:

  • It was an actually good one that I got
  • I didn't have to ditch the astronaut helmet (or it was a REALLY good one, like a black cat)
marble jewel
#

Cat?

devout vault
#

cat

safe dragon
#

cat

devout vault
#

I don't know if there are any of that kind

safe dragon
#

gotta wait for the kiki's delivery service collab for a jiji decoration

hushed raven
#

Damn I don't get to see my braindead discord activity yet

fleet wren
#

I will shrivel into a pile of coal dust and burn away in the midday sun before I even think of giving Discord any currency, virtual or otherwise

devout vault
lethal walrus
#

sigh

hushed raven
#

If it wasn't as expensive I'd consider it

safe dragon
#

oops they tried to hide that they still store our data but messed up

devout vault
#

(but I have considered it)

#

I have been informed (by the reddit hivemind) that there is indeed a kitty

red crest
#

i only accept discord's free gifts bc i like to think i am costing them some money, even if its only fractions of a penny for me specifically, to use their premium stuff for free

devout vault
#

It's not a black kitty though

#

Also re:the setting, I'm seeing a lot of people with old accounts saying they never turned it off, but it is off

fleet wren
#

is that sussie from dune

safe dragon
#

tbh I think I can live with not being faced with my discord statistics

#

much like youtube

heavy daggerBOT
marble jewel
#

How dare they expose my soul at this level

safe dragon
#

I don't have the youtube app so I don't think I'm getting this

ivory shadow
#

Please enjoy these commit messages.

safe dragon
#

I use the website in firefox to use adblock and have background play

safe dragon
marble jewel
#

Commit History:

Ch-
Ch-
Ch-
Ch-
Changes
Turn and face the strange

hushed raven
marble jewel
#

I did watch all of the 50+ episodes of Just Create of his, not to mention others in the series

hushed raven
#

I wonder what my YouTube rewind thing is like brb

#

Ye I guess that fits

#

I do have a fave tho, wow

safe dragon
#

I don't think I have watched a yogscast video in like... 10 years

#

I didn't even know they were still going

marble jewel
#

I'm in the top 0.2% of DevOpsToolbox apparently

safe dragon
#

don't even know who that is

devout vault
marble jewel
#

You tab on either the website or app

safe dragon
#

I see nothing

marble jewel
#

How dare you not give Alphabet your data

hushed raven
#

Wow thanks discord mobile messing up another link

safe dragon
#

that link does seem to work but it just brings me to my browsing history

hushed raven
#

Poor lonk

ivory shadow
#

I have no idea why it focused on Zelda specifically. And I definitely haven't watched that much AI content. They're tryin to hope

safe dragon
#

oh I need the app

hushed raven
#

Oh I also got some ai stuff apparently too, I don't remember watching anything about AI though so no clue where they pulled that from

ivory shadow
#

Also lmao SMB2

marble jewel
devout vault
#

The only AI stuff I watch is whatever albertatech puts out

safe dragon
#

fine I'll install the youtube app

hushed raven
#

You don't need the app

#

I think? It said you can do it on any device

ivory shadow
safe dragon
hushed raven
#

Wow they don't even know their own system

safe dragon
#

it's just my watch history

hushed raven
#

Apparently it's only available in north America for now? Which doesn't explain how I managed to get it

austere comet
#

(recap also released 2 days ago on NA only, and slowly rolling out in other countries throughout the week, so you may just be Unlucky™ right now, like me)

hushed raven
#

I did go to the link though and not through the app

safe dragon
#

I got the app and it's not even there

#

ok I'm setting my vpn to the US and see if that works

marble jewel
hushed raven
#

I don't get the discord wrapped and you don't get YouTube recap, all's fair XD

#

Oh I'm in Canada (VPN), that's probably why I have it

safe dragon
#

wtf youtube has ads in between video recommendations now?

#

I can't even see videos

hushed raven
#

There's ads everywhere on YouTube, it's horrible without an adblock

marble jewel
#

I've had Red for years

#

For the amount of hours I put into YT, it's worth it to me

safe dragon
#

I'm being reminded why I use the browser page instead with ublock and other youtube plugins

marble jewel
#

That's the only stat I'm interested in. Like hey if instead of watching YouTube, you put 10K hours into a talent, you could have acquired 5 new talents this year

safe dragon
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it's been called Premium for many years now smh

hushed raven
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The only time I have to deal with ads on YouTube is BC of embeds, which is still more than I want but I am not gonna pay YouTube, stuff that

marble jewel
safe dragon
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well alright I'm being scammed

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I get no discord recap and no youtube recap

marble jewel
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No 2025 for you, it didn't happen

red crest
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i could not name a single food review ive watched this year?

safe dragon
hushed raven
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Wait how did you get the border then crumble? I thought that was a discord wrapped thing, or is it nitro?

hushed raven
safe dragon
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I did get the border but my privacy settings prevented me from actually seeing a recap

hushed raven
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Ohhh gotcha

red crest
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why did Matt get "Cooking and recipes" but Khloe and I got "Cooking tutorials" what the hell is the difference

hushed raven
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Matt can cook, Khloe can't? XD

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That's my best guess

safe dragon
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the latter feels more like you're actually going to cook it and not just watch the video

red crest
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how would they know

safe dragon
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they know everything

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"this person has googled how to dice onions like 10 times"

hushed raven
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I mean they have literally the main ad service, they listen to everything

marble jewel
red crest
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i think my "Retro tech reviews" interest could just be renamed to "Techmoan and Technology Connections"

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with a dash of CathodeRayDude

hushed raven
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I think my delving into retro gaming is entirely tech conec too

marble jewel
red crest
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i have been watching tech connections since before his dishwasher detergent videos

safe dragon
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I use powder detergent because of this guy

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the bastard

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I have yet to convert my mom

red crest
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this was the first one i remember watching

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back in the dark days of uh... 2017

ivory shadow
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I used powder dishwasher detergent before it was cool

safe dragon
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I'd never even attempt to make my dad use powder detergent. We tried for years to make him stop rinsing the dishes before putting it in and it never worked

dusty pollen
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how much rinsing

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like just getting the bits of food off?

safe dragon
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even when we got a dishwasher which expressly said in its guidebook not to rinse the dishes

crystal wren
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I mean rinsing to get the solids off is just... sensible I think.

red crest
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ive been unable to convince my parents to "rinse" before the dishwasher (they basically handwash completely...) but i did manage to convince them of powder

safe dragon
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no like

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they'd basically be clean

red crest
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unable to convince them not to rinse*

marble jewel
safe dragon
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I don't rinse the solids off, I scrape em off

crystal wren
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My dryer is a heat pump type? Does that get me cool points?

red crest
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you mean latent heat of vaporization enthusiast

hushed raven
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Heat pump isn't convection right? Or wrong?

red crest
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heat pump is air conditioner but upside down

safe dragon
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convection is an air fryer

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mixing all the technology connections videos now

hushed raven
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I air fry my clothes to dry them then

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Better than microwaving them

red crest
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is it?

safe dragon
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I think my mom has a heat pump dryer

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I have a washer/dryer combo unit

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idk what it does or how

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works tho

crystal wren
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Gives you one point of failure.

safe dragon
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I don't physically have the space for more than that

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it's already in my kitchen

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my fridge isn't even in the kitchen cause it doesn't fit

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the fridge is in the hallway

hushed raven
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We have a freezer in the living room BC no space so that's not the weirdest thing

safe dragon
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oh yeah I mean I mean a fridge/freezer combo unit

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obviously don't have a dedicated freezer

crystal wren
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I want a dedicated chest style freezer and just a fridge that's nothing but fridge...

safe dragon
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get those kids' ice creams that are a little chest

cinder karma
hushed raven
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Totally not flexing rn but we have a dedicated fridge and 2 dedicated freezers, one of which is a chest freezer SDVpufferchickcool

safe dragon
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I'd say that's just a "limited space" thing but I guess in most of asia people just don't have dryers at all

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wow flexing

hushed raven
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They're under counter ones tho so they small

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To much dismay

red crest
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why do you need so much freezer space, are you storing hunted animals in there or something

crystal wren
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Ah, the AirBnB special.

marble jewel
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I have a washer+dryer combo that uses a heat pump for drying. It's super convenient because I just load and push a button.

hushed raven
safe dragon
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in US videos I sometimes see top loader dryers and they look weird to me

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the door should be on the front

crystal wren
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And top load washers!

cinder karma
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Once. Per. Semester

safe dragon
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that's how basically every person I know with both a washer and dryer puts em

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on top of each other

hushed raven
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Top loaders seem so space inefficient, I too see them either combined into one machine or stacked on top

safe dragon
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americans just flexing all the space they have and they still can't make a house affordable

crystal wren
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What you have to remember is... virtually everything American has more space.