I'm not sure which is more horrific and excessively braced, this or blargbot tags
#programmers-off-topic
safe dragon
who thinks of these
Global variables are completely public, anyone can read OR EDIT your global variables.
These are very useful if you like pain.
hushed raven
what on earth...
safe dragon
thanks blargbot
hushed raven
I mean that's pushing global a tad too far
lethal walrus
Reminds me of dreamberd gulf of Mexico's global variables
safe dragon
I mean that's pushing global a tad too far
my global variables are hosted publicly and available via crud api
Blazor now supports handling persistent component state during enhanced navigation.
they've done it
2 features that were both always enabled by default now don't break each other
devout vault
What an amazing revolution, to have the default settings not be broken
worn remnant
this is approaching Perl, (plain) TeX, and (for me) Lisp levels of humans-were-not-meant-to-parse-this
supple ether
Why is the vs installer so frinkin slow
It's taking like 10 minutes to uninstall vs 2022
devout vault
Because its the vs installer not the vs uninstaller 😛
supple ether
Installation is even worse tbh
Also nooooooo apparently avalonia monitized and requires a license now :(
hushed raven
it doesn't! you just need to sign up for the free version, no card required
I also had the same panic
supple ether
Bold move considering the amount of jank it had the last time I used it
hushed raven
oh theres a lot of jank for sure
devout vault
When did they do that?
hushed raven
sometime between a week ago and 3 months I think?
lyric bloom
avalonia requires a license? lol
supple ether
it doesn't! you just need to sign up for the free version, no card required
Yeah, but they still paywalled a bunch of stuff that should be base tier IMO. Paying for tooling and support I can see, but paywalling ui components seems a little ridiculous
hushed raven
which UI elements are paywalled? I didn't see any that were when I had a look through the docs to use with stardrop
supple ether
On-screen keyboard should not be a licensed product
devout vault
sometime between a week ago and 3 months I think?
That's a pretty wide range 😛
supple ether
which UI elements are paywalled? I didn't see any that were when I had a look th...
It's on their pricing page
devout vault
On-screen keyboard should not be a licensed product
...isn't on screen keyboard a built in to OS thing usually?
lyric bloom
"Earlier this year, Devolutions committed $3M to support Avalonia’s open-source development over three years. This funding is ring-fenced for FOSS work on the framework and areas that deliver broad community benefit. We’re using it to hire specialised engineers to work full-time on Avalonia. Professional tooling like the Visual Studio extension serves only part of our user base, so we’re directing the sponsorship towards more impactful areas that benefit everyone. And because the sponsorship runs for a fixed three-year term, we need to ensure that once it ends, we’re in a position to keep those engineers working with us. That means the tooling needs to be funded in other ways. Meanwhile, Avalonia has been the only .NET UI framework making its tooling open-source, despite receiving little in the way of community contributions to maintain it.
Given our commitment to keeping the core framework free and open-source for the entire community, the tooling is the most sensible place to introduce a commercial model. That’s why we’re introducing a complementary funding approach for our professional tools, which builds on Devolutions’ generous support and helps secure Avalonia’s long-term future." lol
lmao
"we got free money, so we're going to monetize what we think we can!!!"
this is a cynical viewpoint but
devout vault
(also wow my computer is struggling)
supple ether
...isn't on screen keyboard a built in to OS thing usually?
I mean yeah? But only if you are using native widgets or doing the platform calls for it. I'm not sure how avalonia is handling it, but it's a listed feature on their price tiering page
worn remnant
in unearned fairness to their description of the monetizing, $1M per year does not buy very many full-time specialised engineers
uncut seal
Yeah sure mobile discord, when I scrolled up I actually wanted to snap to new messages...
lyric bloom
it probably doesn't.
devout vault
I mean yeah? But only if you are using native widgets or doing the platform call...
I assumed they were paywalling a cross-platform API to call the platform specific one
uncut seal
Imma read all that on desktop later
lyric bloom
their reddit is .. is something man
devout vault
(also wow my computer is struggling)
(Really not sure how disc IO on my main drive is enough to make discord become "unresponsive" (not accept input and window overlayed in white like normal on windows, but I could still watch y'all chatting live???))
lyric bloom
"What’s not included:
Advanced UI components (WebView, Media Player, Markdown viewer, and the Accelerate TreeDataGrid)
Technical support " sure, okay, free edition..
how much do the licenses cost..
" Business Licence: €219 (increased from €149)
Enterprise Licence: €599 (increased from €499)"
In a "everyone is glazing it" or "everyone is being vitriolic about it" sort of way
lyric bloom
.. cheap for businesses, not cheap for indivisual devs
glazing it
and I kinda understand
devout vault
Markdown viewer??????????????????????
Surely they mean editor as well
If it's just viewing, that seems crazy to paywall
lyric bloom
"We opted to keep it FOSS, but set expectations that we would not review PRs or handle issues unless the reporter had an active Enhanced Support agreement. This made getting help with the control incredibly costly.
In September 2024, we announced that future development of the TreeDataGrid would continue as part of Accelerate. This isn’t a sudden change or a licence switch. It’s a commercial fork, which anyone is welcome to create themselves. That’s the beauty of FOSS. "
... that is the most self-serving way of saying I've ever heard of.
supple ether
Time to use fucking maui I guess
devout vault
I know uno has some commercialized aspects as well, but I'm not sure if it's that bad
lyric bloom
the funny bit is, no one stpped up to maintain it but
i feel vaguely I'd be leery of taking on a project like that even if I was good at making UI stuff
hushed raven
Time to use fucking maui I guess
Linux left out once again 😔
devout vault
(Really not sure how disc IO on my main drive is enough to make discord become "...
(I'm getting the impression its not windows itself that's freaking out - just windhawk)
lyric bloom
"3.1 Grant
Subject to continuous compliance with this Agreement, Avalonia UI grants the Licensee a non-exclusive, non-transferable, revocable, no-fee licence to install and Use the Tools on Workstations for the purposes of development, testing, evaluation and internal demonstrations only. The Community Tier includes no right to embed, redistribute or ship any Avalonia UI Components, runtimes or redistributables.
The Tools may not be used on build servers, continuous integration or continuous delivery systems, remote or virtualised shared machines, containerised multi-user hosts, classroom images, training labs, or any cloud development environment. The Tools are for interactive Workstation use only." <- and this makes me go
hushed raven
MAUI ISN'T ON LINUX?
not that I can see, well technically it does support linux, but only android
lyric bloom
".. wait, I can't redist your components?"
supple ether
Time to use uhhhh fuckin qtsharp
devout vault
I installed Uno! No idea how actually using it goes 😛
I think it had cross platform support including linux? Though it might use the "skia backend" for that
supple ether
Man avalonia was like the only good ui lib for c#
lyric bloom
I mean.. my thing is. If I use avalonia in an app
and I end up uploading it.. isn't that embeding or redistributing it?!?!
hushed raven
the lack of a true C# cross platform UI solution is terrible, I really don't get how the 3 most major desktop OSes don't have a solution that works across them, its so suprising
worn remnant
(Really not sure how disc IO on my main drive is enough to make discord become "...
this is a thing i have had a few times now on my new linux machine and i was ready to blame either 1. actually using wayland this time around or 2. some fucked up thing that has appeared between ubuntu LTS releases, like whatever the fuck systemd thinks is a good idea nowadays
i don't think mine was disk i/o but discord locked up completely and would refresh/display but not accept any input
lyric bloom
so yeah, if you want to use it for, oh, I dunno, stuff you don't want to have to charge money for, you need to pay them a license fee
hushed raven
Looks like I shall be looking into Uno in that case, either that or I say stuff it and just go with electron
lyric bloom
goes to look at Uno too
devout vault
Uno is the UI lib I was gonna use for a hypothetical game dev IDE (ie. my "more advanced than game maker but more structured than Godot" thing)
Behold, the project I created but never actually made touched after project creation
hushed raven
no wayland support for Uno, damn, also seems to only be able to target net9
devout vault
Wasn't net10 "released" this month
(Also, to the humble stardew modder, .net9 is huge compared to the net6 we're stuck with 😛 )
worn remnant
no wayland support for Uno, damn, also seems to only be able to target net9
none for discord, either, or a bunch of other stuff i use. xwayland-satellite
hushed raven
Oh I mean no prior versions can be targeted either, which means a decent amount of rewriting AGAIN, from 7 to 8 to now 9 if I don't use avalonia
lyric bloom
https://platform.uno/blog/uno-platform-6-4/ supports net10 and apparently has agentic AI in it
devout vault
Oh, huh
devout vault
https://platform.uno/blog/uno-platform-6-4/ supports net10 and apparently has ag...
quietly deletes uno from my PC
(/s, not like there's a lot of cross platform desktop UI libraries besides hijacking something like Godot or Dear Imgui)
lyric bloom
.. weird it doesn't seem to hve any support for wayland
that's.. odd if it wants to be cross-platform
devout vault
I assume x11 is "good enough" given the market share of linux users
worn remnant
also generally every serious wayland environment has a shim layer of some kind or other that can run x11 programs
lyric bloom
Most people use Wayland nowadays, so yeah, the x11 shim works fine, but
*most is relative. KDE Plasma uses Wayland a lot. (Which is funnily ehy Wayland has had to move forward, Steam and KDE threatened, apparently, tofork it.)
devout vault
https://tenor.com/bWZX0.gif
lyric bloom
but I mean, ubuntu's default is Weyland and has been since 21.04, same with Fedora and RHEL.
.. which is a thing of wonder because I've read their discussions and sometimes I htink they just don't want to get anything done lol
pliant snow
That's not true, they had it as default for one of their releases, then went back to x11, and I think only recently made it wayland again, if they did
worn remnant
on ubuntu 24.04, if you install kde plasma you get the x11 version
lyric bloom
it was 21.04 https://canonical.com/blog/ubuntu-21-04-is-here
pliant snow
Yeah, and then they changed it back
lyric bloom
.. are you sure you aren't confusing it with: Ubuntu shipped with Wayland by default in Ubuntu 17.10 (Artful Aardvark).[97] However, Ubuntu 18.04 LTS reverted to X.Org by default due to several issues.[98][99] Since Ubuntu 21.04, Wayland is the default again.[100]
pliant snow
Oh it was 18.04 they switched back, right
fleet wren
ah, the good ol times, when Canonical tried to Do Their Own Thing with the entire Linux ecosystem with Mir (and stuff like Upstart or Unity)
I kinda miss Unity though ngl, especially the global menu search/HUD thing
steel kraken
Uno is a weird beast, as its natively UWP or WinUI-3 when targetting windows, and only does its own thing when targetting other environments
and has made use of a good amount of the MAUI work for mobile and wasm(browser), though keeping their own stuff to support the linux targets
crystal wren
frosty echo
lethal walrus
Oh thats surprising
The github repos only contain doubly-base64 encoded data, I was expecting it to be encrypted tbh
robust quarry
okay so- i have recently been informed that the other people ik irl do NOT feel it when sweat comes out of their pores???? i am so confused- wait does anyone else here feel that?
i am in SHOCK like wdym other ppl don't feel that 😭
dusty pollen
a fascinating programming question, to which I’m sure the answer is rust
robust quarry
a fascinating programming question, to which I’m sure the answer is rust
..hm.
crystal wren
Or the cause!
robust quarry
wait so is it just me-
robust quarry
Sweat is the rust of the body, or something
accurate
devout vault
Booting up VS2026. "Sign in to github for copilot integration" or "Maybe later"
Where's my "absolutely not, never even suggest such a thing again" button 😔
Also I literally tried and you wouldn't let me check out MS. Come on now
devout vault
error MSB3644: The reference assemblies for .NETFramework,Version=v4.5 were not found. To resolve this, install the Developer Pack (SDK/Targeting Pack) for this framework version or retarget your application.
(4.5.1/2 doesn't work, and 4.5 says to use nuget)
why
safe dragon
ah you've discovered my hell years ago
devout vault
Someone had to fill that space once you escaped, I suppose
I literally set up a computer for this like a month ago, why am I having issues with setting up this time
safe dragon
we had an old installer file for .net 4.5 in a network drive
Microsoft does still seem to technically host everything necessary for the web installer they just don't distribute the installer anymore
devout vault
Another fun fact: at first there were multiple of these errors, and after installing 4.5.2, all went away except this last one
Restarting VS doesn't help (not that I expected it to, since this is actually from running a bat file with <Exec>)
supple ether
Also I literally tried and you wouldn't let me check out MS. Come on now
VS had an "update to 2026!" banner and when I clicked on it, it just downloaded a random .chman file
microsoft is great at not letting you do things they want you to do
devout vault
They're also great at not letting you do things they don't want you to do (but you do, because despite what they may think, MS does not know best)
supple ether
when I was looking up how to include both a library and a source generator in the same nuget, all the docs just said "If you want to do this, Don't." and I just had to figure it out myself
fuck you microsoft I know what I'm doing
devout vault
You can't even fathom the depth of my code crimes, don't even try to stop me
devout vault
```
error MSB3644: The reference assemblies for .NETFramework,Version=v4.5 were ...
The solution:
(also after I went to go document that I now see a link to another stackoverflow post which says exactly this)
devout vault
A database as code?
SQL engineers have gone too far
Oh, and doesn't let you use git
Well then
I love having to use a custom app UI to do anything at all with a programming language
In other news
I'm an hour into using VS2026 and uh... it seems worse
lethal walrus
Is it a custom app ui and you need to use it or can you hand make the jsons like scratch
devout vault
Specifically, the one feature that sorta keeps me using VS rather than just learning Rider. These dropdowns
It takes a second or two to open, and is very slow to scroll compared to before
Admittedly, a class that's over 20k lines across 6 files (with the main file - the one I'm in - being 19k) is a bit of an extreme case
devout vault
Is it a custom app ui and you need to use it or can you hand make the jsons like...
Does it use json? I didn't read that far into it, it said something about being a database so I kinda assumed not
lethal walrus
I meant scratch is just jsons and svgs in a zip so if you feel like it you can manually make a .sb3 file in a text editor
devout vault
Huh, really?
Brb transpiling C# to scratch
jk of course I haven't even gotten that working for the JVM yet
lethal walrus
https://github.com/ScratchEverywhere/ScratchEverywhere
I assume its how this is so feasible to do
devout vault
...brb making a scratch to CP content pack transpiler
lethal walrus
I tried and failed to make a text based scratch language once
That
Is not a bad idea
You could even make custom blocks so people can use the normal ui
devout vault
I meant it as a joke but after I typed it out I was thinking "...I don't like how decent that sounds"
If I were to do that it'd probably be for some of my code crime ideas re:a 1.7 thing
lethal walrus
What crimes here in particular
devout vault
I've never actually used scratch, so I don't know how it differs from traditional node based programming
devout vault
What crimes here in particular
the criminal kind
lethal walrus
It's all javascript for a start
lethal walrus
Ohh
devout vault
People have made an OS and a MC-like in scratch, I'm not under the naive impression that the technical side is too simple to do anything interesting
lethal walrus
Yeah, although you need turbowarp for those kinds of things a lot of the time
Very slow :(
devout vault
Yeah the MC one I tried definitely needed it
Is this random image from google still representative to how scratch is typically used today
lethal walrus
But thst looks like fairly normal scratch person yes
But it's not quite as pixilated anymore
devout vault
Specifically, the one feature that sorta keeps me using VS rather than just lear...
(also, occasionally it just freezes VS as a whole???????????????? like I've been waiting for over 30 seconds for it to be responsive again)
devout vault
"Why is this thing so old??"
Needs more particle effects, got it
robust quarry
yayyy got 100 downloads 
modest steppe
Is this random image from google still representative to how scratch is typicall...
the memories
devout vault
TIL that WASI is a thing
("what made you discover that?" code crimes, of course)
also its so dumb how github can't search branches
devout vault
~~also its so dumb how github can't search branches~~
...apparently github lets you open up a repo in a web VScode instance????
lethal walrus
github.dev is actually realyl quite cool
hushed raven
Oh that's really cool
devout vault
It is rather uncooperative with me trying to search a really large repo, though
hushed raven
that tends to be a vscode issue through and through it seems
devout vault
ie. I'm pretty sure these aren't the only occurences of "AOT" here
devout vault
that tends to be a vscode issue through and through it seems
I saw a brief popup earlier about the repo being too big, so I think it's just that the web editor can't handle it
hushed raven
Time for a registry edit
supple ether
https://www.unison-lang.org/unison-1-0/
from what I understand this is "RCE by design" which seems... not very secure
devout vault
its a feature
supple ether
SQL Injection II!
supple ether
I mean I wont argue that it doesn't sound convenient, I'm just not convinced it's worth the massive tradeoff
safe dragon
I think self parallelizing languages are a very interesting new-ish development
which unison also does
but I don't understand most of their supposed selling point
devout vault
I assumed it was this:
Unison is a programming language built around one big idea: let's identify a definition by its actual contents, not just by the human-friendly name that also referred to older versions of the definition
supple ether
yes
devout vault
I think self parallelizing languages are a very interesting new-ish development
Definitely very interesting, but I don't know enough about multithreading to really understand how one could design things to prevent multithreading woes
supple ether
also that it can ship code over the network if a given server doesn't have the part that it needs
lethal walrus
(is that similar to how elixir does that?)
devout vault
also that it can ship code over the network if a given server doesn't have the p...
Theoretically useful if that functionality intrinsically required very strict sandboxing... but I doubt that
dusty pollen
https://www.unison-lang.org/unison-1-0/
isn't the main complaint about SQL that it mixes data and code
who was asking for MORE mixing
supple ether
It's designed for distributed systems, so the idea is that you can spin up an instance with no prep and it'll pull what it needs as it needs it
safe dragon
(is that similar to how elixir does that?)
nope
safe dragon
the BEAM/OTP languages don't really share anything with what unison seems to be doing
supple ether
it's an interesting idea, I'm just leery of the idea of sending code over the network, because even if you use a secure connection, if your system gets breached, anyone can instantly deploy malicious code and spread it to all of your servers
safe dragon
both talk about distributed computing but erlang/elixir mean that in the sense of a lot of tooling and system for managing an entire network of servers/nodes that's more fault tolerant and easier to work with that like... kubernetes clusters
while unison seems to be talking about talking a single very large computation and then letting multiple computers handle the computation together
like folding@home style
dusty pollen
it's an interesting idea, I'm just leery of the idea of sending code over the ne...
wait that's part of it? even spookier
why would I blind execute code I received over a network 😭
safe dragon
it's an interesting idea, I'm just leery of the idea of sending code over the ne...
fun fact, sending over javascript code to execute is technically part of REST
no one does it
but it was in the original specification
dusty pollen
fun fact, sending over javascript code to execute is technically part of REST
but presumably that's client side javascript at least?
hushed raven
why would I blind execute code I received over a network 😭
executing code without care is the sigma vibe coder way 
dusty pollen
no wonder nobody does it
supple ether
what possible use could that have
devout vault
but it was in the original specification
Wasn't there a time when people just did eval() to deserialize json
safe dragon
a data engineer colleague of mine recently asked me if it was safe for him to use eval in python for something, don't remember what but the answer was definitely no
devout vault
that the server would then execute
"Preventing RCE? How about encouraging RCE!"
alternatively, "we have mysql procedures at home"
supple ether
technically c# has an equivalent to eval
I don't remember how to use it but it's a thing
devout vault
...does it? Without using the nuget package that console code uses or similar?
Or did you not mean built in, no extra deps
supple ether
no I'm pretty sure there was a built-in thing for it
let me see if I can find it again
red crest
i couldnt find anything built-in for C# eval() when i was adding BETAS harmony so im also interested to know if there is one i just missed
supple ether
it was something I looked at ages ago so it may not exist on current versions
red crest
are you thinking of the like, weird Expression stuff
devout vault
i couldnt find anything built-in for C# eval() when i was adding BETAS harmony s...
Just use what console code used
or content code for that matter
red crest
i didnt want to package another dll
devout vault
or my april fools CP PR for that matter
red crest
i saw the same one that console code used, i just did not want to use it
safe dragon
I was wrong. I remembered incorrectly. The REST thing was the server sending javascript or java code for the client to execute
so it's not as bad as it could've been
supple ether
Roslyn runs on .net but it's framework 4.5 IIRC, so not cross platform
Maybe I'm thinking of CodeDom
safe dragon
it's called the Code on Demand constraint for REST if you wanna look at it
it's so unused that it seems to be difficult to find good info
dusty pollen
I was wrong. I remembered incorrectly. The REST thing was the server sending jav...
that's almost acceptable
devout vault
Have some cursed knowledge that I feel obligated to share: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness#Middle-endian
(the URL - after the # - is probably enough to see why its cursed)
devout vault
But I need to share the cursed knowledge to lessen the burden on myself
safe dragon
that's fucked up
hushed raven
oh I truly hate that
devout vault
If only atra weren't away. I'd love to inflict it on them as well
lyric bloom
today in "oh god why"
i'm relearning sqlalchemy
(discord refused to send that, at first) >_>
devout vault
Remind me in 10 days to introduce atra to the horrors of middle-endian (if they are back)
heavy daggerBOT
...ok. but you owe me. big time. (#6968793) (10d | <t:1765053725>)
lyric bloom
Middle-Endian is just.. cursed.
hushed raven
i'm relearning sqlalchemy
I beg your pardon?
OH SQL ALCHEMY
I read it like it was pronounced like squelch-emy
lyric bloom
that would be.. a very idiosyncrantic name lol
but yeah, I'm going with a small sqlite3 database for this app because I kinda thought about it and a DB makes more sense than a super large json file
lethal walrus
i love random sqlite dbs
lyric bloom
(and also I don't feel like debating mariadb vs postgresql)
lethal walrus
yes
lyric bloom
you probably haven't had more database classes than programming ones
like normal people
lethal walrus
my options for a project were:
- sqlite db
- json/yaml
- mongodb
- mysql
and i dont have access to any of the mongo/mysql instances (they dont trsut me
)
so i went with random sqlite db x2
devout vault
Technically I've probably indirectly messed with one at some point when modding some game
But I've never used it for a new project or whatever
lyric bloom
surprised they didn't trust you with mysql
lethal walrus
i think its just bc then i can delete the prod db by accident
lyric bloom
.. then don't assign you the prod db?
supple ether
postgres seems nice but I've only ever used oracle and microsoft dbs unfortunately
lethal walrus
i mean yeah that's not wrong
devout vault
How about a completely separate machine???????????
lethal walrus
idk i dont know if they have
multiple dbs
actually no they do they've a test server
devout vault
(I say, as if I didn't always make my original website changes on the live instance)
lyric bloom
.. it's trivial to create multiple dbs???
lethal walrus
idk why but sqlite is fine for now
lethal walrus
.. it's *trivial* to create multiple dbs???
look im not surprised if it's very cursed in the backend
apparently it's so "fragile" that they can't reassign owners of plots
hushed raven
the only data bases I've made are either with butchered json or a csv, not the best batch of database methods ngl
lethal walrus
meh its not that bad i get paid to do what i would be doing anyway
i dont look at the cursed
lyric bloom
i have, for my sins, taken.. three database classes, including one database design class, because the IT BAS thinks I will be writing database applications, lol
supple ether
oh well if we're counting that I've made a lot of csvs and tsvs
lyric bloom
i do not remember much of it, I'm afraid
lethal walrus
except when it's an ex-dev's personal config library that is no longer available and therefore the things using it havent been updated in years
supple ether
I like tsv better even though it's way less common than csv
lyric bloom
it has left me with a bit of a hilarity of using tools like mysqlworkbench even though I don't actually plan on using mysql
because it's visual planning tools are actually pretty good
hushed raven
I like tsv better even though it's way less common than csv
I use tabs as table seperators (my old keyboard didn't have a pipe character) so no tsv for me if I want back compat
crystal wren
...no pipe?
lethal walrus
did you have a backslash
hushed raven
nope, none at all, truly was terrible, it also had no backslash, it was a wide left shift and was so annoying
it also had an odd return key too, it wasn't 2 high and the hash key was placed above it
lethal walrus
i think that's not that weird
oh no it is nvm
was it the ANSI qwerty layout except backslash/pipe is #/~ instead?
crystal wren
ANSI enter key, but... the hash in a UK-ish position...
That's... that's weird as all hell.
hushed raven
Yep it was ANSI qwerty in UK format, hash and tilde replaced the pip and backslash, and has was replaced with the pound (£) symbol, the tilde was replaced with ¬ which I have never used except for ASCII art
lyric bloom
tangentially, I htink the most annoying bit of this project is having to write "on startup, verify that the databsae and config file match what we expect, create and fix if not" before I get into any actual CRUD or stuff
lethal walrus
i just delete the db every update :)
and there's a spigot function to fill in the config
so very easy and not a bad idea at all
safe dragon
tbh if you've been running with 1/2 database instances for years and as a result have never actually built a migration system for creating extra db instances it can be incredibly painful to introduce
and even if you do... the fuckin MSSQL dacpac release for keeping the database instances up to date took like 30 minutes every time anyone needed to do a release
there we had like hundreds of database instances because every client had their own develop, test, acceptance and production environments
hundreds of migration scripts
dacpacs suck
devout vault
I love finding a library that used to be hosted on googlecode
Oh thankfully there's a github version
lyric bloom
steel kraken
In most systems I've used you just have a dedicated table that stores metadata of what migrations you have run
As the cost and complexity of actually validating the schema is not worth
devout vault
Modding questions should go in #making-mods-general
cloud folio
Modding questions should go in <#156109690059751424>
Sorry
devout vault
I think self parallelizing languages are a very interesting new-ish development
On a similar note, I'm very curious about that sort of thing but instead of parallelizing its networking.
I'm not sure it can actually be done, but if someone managed it I would be super intrigued
rain apex
Crab is not letting me do things im sad
I want to like, auto enable a feature based on env in build.rs
But even tho feature is enabled after my checks it doesn't actually bring in the optional dependency
red crest
have you considered not using crab
rain apex
No the ppl who pay me says crab is the future 🚀
red crest
did they include the rocket emoji in their pitch
rain apex
Yeah ofc 🦀 🚀
red crest
does blazor blaze
lethal walrus
git commit -m "🚀 increased performance by 1.02x 🔥"
rain apex
I feel like I've come here at least 3 times in hopes of finding crab people and failed every time 
To be fair, my problems are 99% due to the fact that we have some cursed internal dependency system that got hacked to pieces in order to use cargo simultaneously
devout vault
<insert irregularly scheduled cmake rant>
hushed raven
omg I would love to melt down the person who thought it was a good idea for ubuntu to be able to get SSH keys from github, such faff to just deciding in the end to copy a file
safe dragon
does blazor blaze
no
the primary design principle behind Blazor was "how do we make everything a footgun"
devout vault
Ah, so the "blaze" comes from "using it as a flamethrower on yourself"?
prisma flume
Yep it was ANSI qwerty in UK format, hash and tilde replaced the pip and backsla...
the primary use for the UK keyboard layout is to be able to use the fine emoticons ¬_¬ and ¦:¬)
dusty pollen
Yep it was ANSI qwerty in UK format, hash and tilde replaced the pip and backsla...
american national standards institute uk layout
frosty echo
You can blame EBCDIC for those odd inclusions on the UK keyboard layout
hushed raven
omg I have never thought of using ¬ as a nose, I can't see it any different now
steel kraken
On a similar note, I'm very curious about that sort of thing but instead of para...
My understanding is that elixir and other stuff in the beam VM kinda has that characteristic, where the running logic can call a method and it could be local, could be on a different process or in the data centre on the opposite side of the world
and in typescript there is the growing rpc pattern where you define async methods on the server.
and if the server is locally calling that method its just a normal method execution, but if the client tries to call the method its a network request instead
lyric bloom
today, in terrifying DB developers:
(it's not that bad, but if you end up of junction and junction table, you've probably misdesigned.)
steel kraken
nothing there looks too out of place
junction tables are a normal way to express a many:many relationship.
though I would probably deliberately denormalize my database and have pokemon just have two type enum fields for pragmatic reasons
lyric bloom
.I think I'll do that
do you know pokemon can acutally have three types in certain circumstances?
(I made a joke to my players in the game this is for about adding a third type and no one was thirlled, and to be fiar, I wasn't too when I started contemplating the weakness and strength charts)
hushed raven
Weird type combos and Tri types are my jam, I love seeing ROM hack where these are added, it's so much chaos
devout vault
More knowledge I was compelled to share (except whimsical instead of horrifically cursed this time)
hushed raven
Is there a length limit for URLs? (Also never try to name a file after a URL)
hushed raven
63 character tld? that seems totally obscene, but does that include the whole (i.e) .co.uk or just the .uk part? I'm not entirely sure
lyric bloom
https://data.iana.org/TLD/tlds-alpha-by-domain.txt here's a list
hushed raven
what on earth are the XN--<alphanumeric string> tlds? that is such an odd thing
lyric bloom
no clue
hushed raven
apparently Singapore? but in the language, I asume some kind of weird charcter encoding
.சிங்கப்பூர் is the "translation" (?)
prisma flume
oh to have a .fish domain
.george ...
there really just are too many i'd want. how do you contend with .mango and .mint, or .horse and .best
hushed raven
I want to change my website to .travelersinsurance, I don't sell it, but it would be kinda fun
THERES A WALES TLD? damn I really missed out
worn remnant
there really just are too many i'd want. how do you contend with .mango and .min...
rip walmart.horse, maybe the best gag domain ever bought
prisma flume
.kiwi, .juniper, .kitchen, .party, ...
hushed raven
15 quid a year for a .wales domain, oof I would love but like not at that price
red crest
what on earth are the XN--<alphanumeric string> tlds? that is such an odd thing
punycode
hushed raven
wait I'm paying 20£ a year.... omg I could get a .wales domain for cheaper
red crest
you can use it to kinda-sorta-ish register an emoji as a domain name
among other unicode characters
prisma flume
if .wales isn't worth 15 pounds to you then you'll never get a .money domain
some say it's the final boss when you buy all other domains
hushed raven
you can use it to kinda-sorta-ish register an emoji as a domain name
Oh that's cool, very tempting
a .money domain just screams "insecure"
red crest
if you do you can rely on it mostly never working for people to actually go to it
prisma flume
how very exclusive
red crest
i dont think any mobile browser for example handles it right
hushed raven
a .money domain is cheaper than my current one by like 70 pence, turns out .info is very expensive
prisma flume
how very inclusive
red crest
the main thing about a number of these domains is that you look scammy as fuck
and in some cases big name email servers will just auto-send you to spam if you send an email from them lol
i.e. the .monster tld (which i have one of...)
hushed raven
that's what I'm sorta dreading when I finally set up an email domain
(among other issues)
red crest
just dont pick one that is most commonly used for malware and phishing 
hushed raven
time to nab a .crypto domain
prisma flume
i'm sure if you just use a .secure .safe .smart or dare i say .trust domain they won't think twice
sand frost
oh to have a .fish domain
My husband has one, I think they’re easy to get
prisma flume
well you know how it is with fish, some people can catch them, some people can't
lyric bloom
i'm sure if you just use a .secure .safe .smart or dare i say .trust domain they...
brb, renting totallysafedomain.trust
devout vault
a .money domain is cheaper than my current one by like 70 pence, turns out .info...
Back in my day, godaddy sold .info domains for like a dollar or two
devout vault
well you know how it is with fish, some people can catch them, some people can't
No, MS, you just refused to let me check out
hushed raven
may I introduce you to FREE activation?
uncut seal
no kink shaming intended, but buying a MS product is kinda messed up
hushed raven
blimey docker is fun, so is self hosted git, my own private space of chaos and code crimes I never want to see the light of day
time to immediately mess it up into an irrepairable state
ivory shadow
I decided to never again pay for Windows the moment they put ads in it
Granted, Microsoft has been doing their best to give me free licenses since then anyways so it hasn't mattered
prisma flume
i'm honestly surprised my windows 7 product key was also valid for windows 11 installed to new hardware without migrating the profile
i have so many complaints about microsoft but whoever it was that let that one through is cool
ivory shadow
i'm honestly surprised my windows 7 product key was also valid for windows 11 in...
"Sir, literally everyone hates Windows 11. Should we make it harder for people to use it?"
"Yes! Of course!"
"But won't people just stick to Windows 10 if they need to pay for 11?"
"What? Pay for it? I thought you were talking about making the installer worse. No, it's full of ads, the more users the better. Why make them pay?"
- Microsoft, probably, I guess
prisma flume
i've disabled all ads and suggestions so i'll call that a win
ivory shadow
I'm staying on Win10 with ESU until I can drop Windows entirely for Linux. I imagine it won't be much longer, really.
steel kraken
i have so many complaints about microsoft but whoever it was that let that one t...
Microsoft learnt that lesson after 8 flopped and wanted people to use 8 at all, and having seen the previous wave of everyone hating vista, and as a result a bunch of XP systems became botnet vectors
also helped around that time was microsoft restructuring internally to switch to cloud first company and so windows revenue was less important
dusty pollen
I'm staying on Win10 with ESU until I can drop Windows entirely for Linux. I ima...
same but for me it’s an energy thing rather than a dependency thing 
lethal walrus
How dare you all talk about domains while I was asleep /j /lh
lethal walrus
63 character tld? that seems totally obscene, but does that include the whole (i...
No I mean the main bit
lethal walrus
what on earth are the XN--<alphanumeric string> tlds? that is such an odd thing
Stuff like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.рус (no, that isn't .pyc, they're all cyrllic)
lethal walrus
i dont think any mobile browser for example handles it right
I own 🏳️⚧️ 🏳️⚧️ 🏳️⚧️.ws.. I can't go to it
Chrome, Firefox and porkbun all convert the punycode differently,
Im not even sure if Firefox does at all now I think about it
lethal walrus
just dont pick one that is most commonly used for malware and phishing <:SDVpuff...
Wdym is gbossnfkd.cfd and fhaoskqn.su not the most legit domains??
lethal walrus
Back in my day, godaddy sold .info domains for like a dollar or two
Some still do!
crystal wren
<Insert Porkbun shilling here>
devout vault
blimey docker is fun, so is self hosted git, my own private space of chaos and c...
docker is NOT fun, what are you on
supple ether
Whenever I see code distributed as a docker container, that's an automatic turn-off for me
safe dragon
I like docker once it works
supple ether
I am not installing a whole ass vm to run a python script
safe dragon
making it work can be a battle
safe dragon
I am not installing a whole ass vm to run a python script
you're on windows I assume
supple ether
Yes
safe dragon
docker on windows sucks
supple ether
I mean that's certainly a factor but for home software it's also massively wasteful
For server software, I get it. You usually only have one or two things on the machine, so the overhead is fine. But like if this is a random cli tool I'm gonna use once a month at most, it's not worth the disk space. I've only got 2tb
pliant snow
Yeah, Docker for scripts is weird, but for services I always use it
safe dragon
you don't have nearly as much overhead on Linux anyway
as far as I know the worst it does it introduce extra latency when you use its whole networking shenanigans
crystal wren
https://github.com/Facepunch/sbox-public
Well this is not something I expected to see happen.
safe dragon
unfortunately their website uses Blazor Server so the entire product is bad
(it seems to actually be a fine website)
crystal wren
Hopefully whatever custom situation they end up getting out of Valve for Source 2 for the purposes of this engine spurs Valve on to just finally release Source 2. World needs more bloody competition for UE5.
lethal walrus
<https://github.com/Facepunch/sbox-public>
Well this is *not* something I expec...
I'm not super surprised given by the looks of it gmod (not to be confused with moddrop's gmod™ /srs) is source available?
hushed raven
docker is NOT fun, what are you on
A lot of sleep deprivation, but so far it's been so easy to set up XD
crystal wren
I haven't had any... huge issues with it personally. Well, outside of using it on Windows... which I think everyone already said.
supple ether
Hopefully whatever custom situation they end up getting out of Valve for Source ...
I'm hoping to see improvements to godot for better support for high-realism games
hushed raven
It does help that I'm not using it on windows, I did notice a lot of containers saying windows is not supported, but like at this point a lot of technical stuff doesn't support windows
marble jewel
I run a few docker containers
crystal wren
I'm hoping to see improvements to godot for better support for high-realism game...
All credit to them for their 3D, though. It really is improving rapidly!
hushed raven
I run a few docker containers
Oh ye I would defo call that some, totally XD
hushed raven
Currently I only have 1 but I have plans to move some rasperrypis and use their container image instead, so there'll be like 4 in total eventually
supple ether
All credit to them for their 3D, though. It really is improving rapidly!
I'm just hoping to see a fix for sdfgi being broken in orthographic projection
Hardware rt support would be cool but I don't have the hardware for that anyways, so I'm not as eager for it
crystal wren
Honestly, I'm okay if they never add that. The fewer features they add that almost require temporal AA to run well the better in my mind.
supple ether
I think they said their performance target was 1080p@60 on a gtx 960 or equivalent, though I don't know if that's still the case
For desktop rendering
devout vault
<https://github.com/Facepunch/sbox-public>
Well this is *not* something I expec...
I saw that a day or two ago
devout vault
I'm hoping to see improvements to godot for better support for high-realism game...
high realism is overrated
supple ether
~~high realism is overrated~~
I mean I agree. This is just part of my agenda to finally unseat UE and Unity
my vengeance against unity will never be satisfied!
devout vault
I mean I agree. This is just part of my agenda to finally unseat UE and Unity
my...
Ah. Fair
Speaking of unseating those two, did you see the companies are working on letting unity be embeddable into unreal?
Primarily for fortnight purposes I believe
rain apex
Put an engine in a engine...
supple ether
hmmmm
devout vault
which I find especially funny since that’s basically saying “yeah we know UE’s absurd learning curve is unrealistic for casual single developers”
devout vault
Put an engine in a engine...
well I was trying to get Godot working in MG earlier, does that count?
devout vault
Hmm. That’s probably be doable too
I was merely trying to do it in Stardew, which of course is much saner by virtue of it being c# and not Java
I was just talking that with DH 😛
devout vault
Nope, MG as in MonoGame
(I wondered if you read it that way, which was why I elaborated)
red crest
Putting godot into whatever cursed mojang java thing runs minecraft
i think its just called java
rain apex
But don't they have some sort of in house engine
hushed raven
not to my knowledge? it's just pure java with no engine I think?
steel kraken
In the same way stardew is an in-house engine
frosty echo
Uses (or at least used to) LWJGL
steel kraken
Its java and lwjgl for OpenGL bindings and such
safe dragon
yeah don't think minecraft has anything they decided to give a name for java
I wouldn't be surprised if the "engine" code is just mixed right in with gameplay code
devout vault
OpenAI had a data breach
I would say "how long until that gets into ChatGPTs training data" but there's an 85% chance they've already done that intentionally.
...now, models not based on ChatGPT? Hmm.....
hushed raven
Www a data breach! how fun! glad I aint affected, is it soon time for everyone to start panicing?
devout vault
Nah, everyone probably had all their data breached already
safe dragon
oh no but I store all my api keys in a chatgpt chat window
hushed raven
aww there goes my saturday plans of watching everyone panic while I sit back with a mimosa
supple ether
I wouldn't be surprised if the "engine" code is just mixed right in with gamepla...
They've got brigadier for command stuff at least, and I think they split nbt stuff off into a separate lib too
Mostly though the game is the engine
So much of it is data-driven these days that it pretty much is an engine that only runs minecraft
hushed raven
I love that so much of the vanilla game is entirely done in a datapack, it's a brilliantly fun thing
supple ether
It's genuinely very cool.
hushed raven
I can't wait for the day that blocks, items, and mobs are entirely data driven, then it truly would be just an engine
rain apex
I went to werk today and found out that we (canada) got murican thankgib off bc manager was nice
Unfortunately i went to work already
devout vault
Makes it sounds like you work for canada itself, and that the entire country gets off because your manager specifically was nice
What a powerful manager
hushed raven
You know PM stands for powerful manger? PM Justin Trudeau
devout vault
I need VR on linux sooner rather than later.
https://www.windowslatest.com/2025/11/19/windows-11-will-allow-ai-apps-to-access-your-personal-files-or-folders-using-file-explorer-integration/
(also, the SDV content pipeline actually building on linux...)
Even if it's starting out fairly restricted... the AI slope does indeed be slippery when it comes to big corporations
crystal wren
I need VR on linux sooner rather than later.
https://www.windowslatest.com/2025/...
To be fair, my understanding of this one is... a bit ridiculous?
My understanding is that it's going to be some API for apps to request access to... something? Certain files? All files? I don't know, because it doesn't make sense. Programs on Windows aren't sandboxed in the first place, so they could just... read files normally if they wanted to instead of using this.
Similar to how Windows has location, etc. behind permissions. I just don't get the point of this, but I know it can't make things worse at least.
devout vault
Yeah, as written it's not concerning, it's just the trending direction that bothers me
safe dragon
I need VR on linux sooner rather than later.
https://www.windowslatest.com/2025/...
glad windows is being so accommodating and kind to the AI
🙏
crystal wren
I mean Windows is going to be agentic, soooo... yeah, exit plan ASAP I say. 
devout vault
Like, thinking about how VS started with it, but intellicode or whatever it is is disabled by default now right?
crystal wren
Wasn't for me here, I don't think.
devout vault
.s/disabled/enabled
pliant snow
I need VR on linux sooner rather than later.
https://www.windowslatest.com/2025/...
I think it'll be pretty soon with the steam frame coming
crystal wren
Think SteamVR will be ARM native, or will it go through the emulation layer?
devout vault
I think it'll be pretty soon with the steam frame coming
Yeah but that's not soon enough
devout vault
Think SteamVR will be ARM native, or will it go through the emulation layer?
I'm guessing it will be native, but other stuff can go through the layer
pliant snow
Think SteamVR will be ARM native, or will it go through the emulation layer?
I assume theyll offer both ARM and x86, since the Frame will need ARM, but it would be weird to not also have an x86 offering
crystal wren
Maybe they'll just kill the x86 version when the Steam Frame launches to monopolise the PCVR market. /j
fleet wren
then people will just make an ARM->x86 translator
something something ouroboros
and then somehow a Linux x86 game translated to ARM and then translated back to x86 is still faster than the same game running natively on Windows
devout vault
no
safe dragon
then people will just make an ARM->x86 translator
something something ouroboros
pretty sure those already exist for android emulation
fleet wren
pretty sure those already exist for android emulation
yeah bluestack and the like exists but it's funnier for the agenda to pretend it doesn't
crystal wren
I thought BlueStacks just used x86 Android?
dusty pollen
lmao
it’s a whole thing. people have started referring to ais as “clankers” in some attempt to come up with a slur
rain apex
Slurs invent themselves
dusty pollen
to the point where I saw a linguist going “I hate ai but maybe stop” lmao
rain apex
Next they gonna make a slur for the microwave
rain apex
That doesn't make it better
lethal walrus
no i just mean it's not a new thing
dusty pollen
I honestly can’t remember lmao, might have been from earlier sci fi? but also I’ve never seen star wars
it definitely isn’t original
just co-opted
floral moon
to the point where I saw a linguist going “I hate ai but maybe stop” lmao
i saw someone on twitter say “if you normalize a slur in one context it begins to normalize slurs in all context” and that stuck with me!!! it seems like a really small thing, but some people were using the “clanker” thing as an excuse to bring back other slurs and racist sayings/behavior.
devout vault
it’s a whole thing. people have started referring to ais as “clankers” in some a...
I’ve heard of people using it for metal sonic
dusty pollen
yup, that is a significant part of the argument. it’s just not a speech pattern we need to be practicing ngl, even if currently it’s directed at pieces of metal
devout vault
(Jokingly)
dusty pollen
joking insults are fine with me lmao, it’s just when there’s a certain tone to them, you know? like how sometimes you can tell a word is racist bullshit without ever having heard it before
floral moon
joking insults are fine with me lmao, it’s just when there’s a certain *tone* to...
yeah exactly!
west flax
awhhh gawd , yeah no i dont call any humans any "slurs" , im sure that the people who already say slurs certainly where hoppin on the bandwagon a bit out there , yes this makes sense to me that racists would try to wiggle in true racism . but for it to be racist the thing has to be a race no ?
devout vault
Maybe technically, but I imagine most people trying to make that distinction probably aren't doing it in good faith.
Any sort of deragatory or discriminating remarks are best to avoid altogether I feel, regardless of which *ist or *phobic it is
floral moon
it’s not that the word in itself is racist, it’s more of a bigger picture kind of thing? normalizing any word that could be considered pointed and hurtful towards a specific “group/thing” and it’s just not a good habit for society in general to get in to
dusty pollen
personally I just sense a type of glee from a lot of the people using it that I associate with the same vibe I get from people who use slurs online
west flax
mm i grew up in cod lobbies maybe yall didnt , coexisting with those types sometimes means just ignoring them and not furthering conversation with them as you arent likely to make them a better person thru a screen or irl even
devout vault
I don't think we're arguing for changing those peoples minds. We're just saying it'd be better for people not to be that way, and that will try not to be that way ourselves
dusty pollen
I don’t have to not say they’re wrong and immature in order to coexist, we all know they’d call me a lot worse
and sometimes noticing which parts of what they do is harmful is important for making sure my own actions match my principles too
west flax
well yall can just not say it , for what it is its origin was a starwars meme an wasnt hurtful before ai ya know ? so at best just a crap joke now
asmongold must be pretty unliked by yall then lololol i certainly know yall wouldnt agree with his humour then
dusty pollen
you seem to be upset so I will cut the discussion here, but the most that happened was me lightly recommending against it. we’re just having a discussion about what we think, you’re welcome to have your own opinions.
and yeah, I can’t say I’m a fan of his.
rain apex
I just thought the concept of insulting the elaborate matrix multiplication algorithm confusing tbh
There's nothing to be offended at here
dusty pollen
that’s the other part of it lmao, people are starting to talk about “clankers doing this and that” when ais are just numbers, I get so confused
rain apex
This isn't exactly new confusion for me tho im also ??? at people who refer to their cars as she/her
floral moon
This isn't exactly new confusion for me tho im also ??? at people who refer to t...
okay i will admit i always give my car a name i have had three cars in my lifetime, two girls and one boy they were like family to me
dusty pollen
referring to vessels as she/her is weirdly enough a very old practice in english literature
it used to be done to ships
rain apex
okay i will admit i always give my car a name i have had three cars in my lifeti...
Yeah like i respect your right to do that i just don't think i get it y'know
red crest
it still is
rain apex
Probably just some ESL thing 
red crest
a large ship always uses she/her pronouns, been the rule for literal centuries
dusty pollen
interestingly enough almost all objects that sometimes have larger trends of being referred to by human pronouns get referred to as she/her
red crest
hence the classic "I'm giving her all she's got, Captain!"
west flax
lol yall are a trip
dusty pollen
I mean he said every trans kid is the victim of a parent with mental illness so idk what’s there to like ngl
steel kraken
a large ship always uses she/her pronouns, been the rule for literal centuries
Also mother nature
west flax
yeah dudes a bit radical
do you happen to know any trans that dont suffer from a mental disorder though ?
steel kraken
No one is truly normal
red crest
... yes??
west flax
every one is crazy to a degree is my way of thinking , some just more than others . as far as trans ive never met one that didnt have gender dysphoria
dusty pollen
I
does that mean they’re a victim of mentally ill parents?
west flax
nah
dusty pollen
so idk what you’re getting at lmao
devout vault
what a conversation to return to
dusty pollen
any fun rust experiments lately casey?
devout vault
ew
dusty pollen
oh right java is much better 
devout vault
I mean, yes? But still not good 😛
dusty pollen
guys I made authentic carbonara
spaghetti, egg, milk, cream cheese, parmesan, and chicken frankfurters diced
devout vault
What about carbonation
Is it really authentic carbonara without the signature carbonation (what it was named after, of course)
safe dragon
spaghetti, egg, milk, cream cheese, parmesan, and chicken frankfurters diced
Just like how grandma used to make it
devout vault
Oh, I forgot the other important question
How many sides
Are the chicken frankfurters d20s? d10s? d12s?
If can't roll chicken frankfurters in Khloe's dice bot, what's even the point
dusty pollen
well they aren’t polygons, they have a curved face
devout vault
well they aren’t polygons, they have a curved face
dice can have curves
dusty pollen
is that a d1
devout vault
yes
dusty pollen
excellent
robust quarry
guys im so stupid i spent 20 minutes going through my code to find out why my event wasn't triggering and it was cause I hadn't opened my save yet in-game 
open garden
Oh, by the way irocendar, I didn’t say anything when I first noticed it, but your new profile pic is pretty cool!
dusty pollen
oh ty, I commissioned it from @harsh gate a few months ago!
hint hint her comms are open and she's great
worn remnant
i've been using kakoune a bunch these days and my vim muscle memory is destroying me, but kakoune is so nice
hushed raven
I wish windows would stop touching my drives! Why can't I make it so it doesn't auto mount them on start up! I now have to wait an hour for windows to update so I can actually shut it down and stop my drive from being read only
safe dragon
i've been using kakoune a bunch these days and my vim muscle memory is destroyin...
lmao sudden reply to something from 9 months ago
I've never actually tried kakoune just helix
which is my main code editor these days
safe dragon
just my luck smh. Was trying to set up waydroid on my laptop and the device registration page from google just did not work, could find anything about it. Turns out there's some bug rn with the recaptcha not showing https://issuetracker.google.com/issues/463715713?pli=1
uncut seal
I've had captcha blocked by extensions before
devout vault
I guess it's time for LLMs to be enshittified even more than they kinda are by nature.
ChatGPT is going to get ads, apparently
robust quarry
why must npcs inexplicably run into the void during events
they crave the darkness
the embrace of the limits of the world beckons them
drawing them nearer
uncut seal
why is an update to the VSC background extension making me so happy?
devout vault
why must npcs inexplicably run into the void during events
average introvert behavior
(I'm ignoring stardew because thats on topic)
robust quarry
average introvert behavior
true i shouldn't judge them
dusty pollen
I guess it's time for LLMs to be enshittified even more than they kinda are by n...
that’s hilarious, what companies saw the chaos of trying to control llm output and decided that that’s perfect for their ad campaign?
robust quarry
average introvert behavior
i do that too sometimes
devout vault
that’s hilarious, what companies saw the chaos of trying to control llm output a...
OpenAI saw their wallet, and knows everyone will try because tech buzzword
robust quarry
mysteriously disappear into thin air (run away from a social gathering to have a panic attack in the bathroom)
uncut seal
at least the void doesn't ask me if I want to use the AI assistant
fleet wren
isn't there like a report where chatgpt is hemorrhaging billions of dollars in operating costs and is only kept afloat by promises to investors that it will rule the world as a corporate dictatorship by 2035
devout vault
isn't there like a report where chatgpt is hemorrhaging billions of dollars in o...
Implied in "saw their wallet" was "filled with debt-dollars", yes
robust quarry
isn't there like a report where chatgpt is hemorrhaging billions of dollars in o...
this sounds like the vague beginnings of a dystopia that you learn about in the 3rd book of a YA sci-fi
devout vault
.s/that you learn about in the 3rd book of a YA sci-fi/in the near future/
uncut seal
3rd book of a YA sci-fi
wow that is scarily accurate to what I remember of those I read
devout vault
(Though I'm more inclined to environmental apocalypse, personally)
uncut seal
yeah...
robust quarry
(Though I'm more inclined to environmental apocalypse, personally)
true true
robust quarry
(Though I'm more inclined to environmental apocalypse, personally)
more compelling
devout vault
I love how right when the environmental problems are really getting going, we get the LLM craze
rain apex
i wonder when the investors will figure out maffs
devout vault
Just in time to make things worse faster! Gotta use that lake for data center cooling, after all
robust quarry
Just in time to make things worse faster! Gotta use that lake for data center co...
gotta make sure the older dystopia books set in this century don't become outdated
rain apex
there was an anime this season where the premise is like
devout vault
I would say "maybe it'll be the star trek timeline" but like I wouldn't get to live long enough to reach the good part
rain apex
wow people are anti ai! but dont worry our heroine is gonna implant neurochips and solve everything
devout vault
wow people are anti ai! but dont worry our heroine is gonna implant neurochips a...
wut
I haven't kept up with anime this season
rain apex
it leads into a dum post apoc tho
robust quarry
i watched 3 eps and dropped it cus the post apoc stuff is dumber than the backst...
omg this gave me a visceral flashback to reading Divergent as a middle-schooler-
devout vault
Oh, HiDive, no wonder I didn't see that one
I haven't watched anything since 9/29 according to my firefox history
uncut seal
I'm only watching Isekai Quartet this season
devout vault
Is crunchyroll still calling every new series "Season 1"?
Guess they got it fixed on the front page at least
devout vault
I'm only watching Isekai Quartet this season
That's one of the ones I wanted to watch
uncut seal
noping out of that. I engaged in a 1-month game jam for November and I couldn't even finish the thing...
devout vault
Yeah I couldn't do a month long one
But this one is an hour
(It also started 3 minutes ago, though)
I don’t think I could do any game jam longer than a day at the moment, until I figure out how to surpass “project I want to work on completely resets each time I sleep”
devout vault
Oh, thought you were talking about hobby projects
Yeah, maybe prioritize that
(Though to be fair this one is only an hourlong…)
devout vault
I don't even know what's airing
Me neither
uncut seal
the other project being FF
devout vault
Besides that one mysterious Season 1 Episode 1, the last thing I watched was things finishing last season
uncut seal
I don't think my brain can make the difference between hobby or not hobby
I guess last anime I finished is Homestuck
rain apex
I guess last anime I finished is Homestuck
people will have strong words for you if you say this in public /lh
devout vault
Anime? Homestuck?
Does homestuck even have a video form besides that pilot
(I’m not picky about the anime moniker as far as country of origin or anything, but I feel like “video” is a requirement to me)
rain apex
homestuck has some flash animation "pages" yea
uncut seal
people will have strong words for you if you say this in public /lh
that's the goal
rain apex
there's also a whole chapter that's actually just a playable game lol
devout vault
I’ve changed my mind
It’s only anime if it comes from the island regions of Japan. Otherwise it’s just sparkling cartoons
(/s)
rain apex
i dont think theres non island regions of japan 
devout vault
Casey: decides to try the one hour game jam
Mozart: "now would be a great time to crave attention"
(he didn't stay up here long, though)
slate thunder
Can I get help editing mods? If this is the wrong channel let me know.
But I have some mods conflicting and I'm trying to figure out how to remove the confliction.
terse galleon
you want #making-mods-general !
slate thunder
Thank you!
zenith lichen
in terms of dialogue changes, what is the practical difference between Include and EditData?
uncut seal
wrong channel
robust quarry
in terms of dialogue changes, what is the practical difference between Include a...
hey! this is more for general chatter, maybe try https://discord.com/channels/137344473976799233/156109690059751424?
devout vault
After two hours of getting too invested in trying to get working trail for the raft
So.... no gameplay 😛
rain apex
cat
robust quarry
..just spent like 2 hours updating all my old sims mods cause i wanna play again- and then the EA app had to call me out like this 
it's a normal amount of time to spend gamimg i swear-
safe dragon
average playtime
robust quarry
I have 5000 hours in Dota
damn i gotta catch up-
rain apex
thats like 2.4yrs of full time job
robust quarry
thats like 2.4yrs of full time job
...wait for me or selph 
rain apex
5000hr / 40hr / 52 weeks
dusty pollen
After two hours of getting too invested in trying to get working trail for the r...
are the game jams public?
dusty pollen
ooo are they briish
red crest
they used an ou in their domain, must be british obv
dusty pollen
they reference baftas in the rules!
red crest
the ruk
dusty pollen
red crest
tbh that might not necessarily mean anything anyway bc they might just reference them bc theyre one of the few award shows with some acclaim that recognize games
ive heard of BAFTA awards for games plenty in the past but it wasnt until just now when you said it that i actually looked at what it stood for and found out theyre british
dusty pollen
baftas recognise games? damn
red crest
they have a games awards yeah
whole separate award ceremony for games
they used to be the BAFTA Video Games Awards but now theyre just called the British Academy Games Awards. or BAGA i guess...
or i guess the secret third option according to that preview, the BAFTA Games Awards (hold the video)
dusty pollen
time zones, the briish are -1years
fleet wren
like how the british calls the second floor the "first" floor, 2025 awards are for 2024 games
red crest
or sometime in very early 2025
so theyre the 2025 awards but they consider the previous year
not like TGA where its a big thing in december
devout vault
like how the british calls the second floor the "first" floor, 2025 awards are f...
I mean considering KAR isn't even in this years game awards because it came out late in the year, that latter part seems like a better idea
fleet wren
looked it up and KAR was like one day before the cutoff, so it won't be nominated for next year's either if it didn't make this year's
unfortunate 😔
red crest
its also a nintendo game though so tbh ill believe it when i see it that they dont even consider it
devout vault
It's a multi-year conspiracy, where they started the game awards solely to spite KAR2
fleet wren
but hey geoff gotta get his december holiday show
devout vault
but seriously they should hold them in like feburary or something for the previous year
devout vault
looked it up and KAR was like one day before the cutoff, so it won't be nominate...
I interpreted as one day after the cutoff
fleet wren
its also a nintendo game though so tbh ill believe it when i see it that they do...
I would believe it if the judges legit thought "nintendo already has their racing game slot"
devout vault
But like, that doesn't make sense either - there's no time to play a game that came out just before cutoff
red crest
if you want the game show at the end of the year then you have to set a cut-off somewhere
fleet wren
that defeats the purpose of TGA being a prime holiday advertising spot so it won't happen
red crest
i like a holiday award show
devout vault
Solution: move christmas to january
red crest
to me i just like the idea of it at the end of the year in question
mostly bc i dont actually care what wins anyway
devout vault
did i stutter
dusty pollen
best first person shooter
fleet wren
this year I will tune in solely for a crumbe of HL3 news
and when geoff disappoints me with his prime bait once more I will continue to learn nothing
red crest
you're genuinely the only person ive actually seen say anything about hl3
fleet wren
I'm sorry for having mainstream tastes
safe dragon
smh
devout vault
Is that even mainstream anymore
Haven't most people either forgotten about it or never even played the previous ones
red crest
people realized that theyd rather be excited for games that are actually good
safe dragon
silksong released so the game awards no longer exist
rain apex
I have no clue what aaa game came out this year
red crest
battlefield
rain apex
Big indie year tho solksing hades
red crest
is death stranding AAA
rain apex
battlefield
Do they make these every year
red crest
borderlands as well
rain apex
Ah sequels would explain why I didn't know
I probably just assumed ppl were talking about the previous ones
red crest
also that silent hill game
red crest
Do they make these every year
i have no idea im not a battlefielder
safe dragon
is death stranding AAA
it's Kojima. A separate category of video game
indie, AA, eurojank, AAA and kojima
the genres
red crest
kojima gets his own awards show segment so that tracks
safe dragon
"best kojima game of 2025"
rain apex
What's AA
red crest
higher budget indie ig
rain apex
Is eurojank like farm simulator
red crest
and while silksong is pretty big i actually wouldnt be surprised if it lost best indie
bc expedition 33 is in there
and thats also a community darling
safe dragon
yeah I assume expedition 33 is winning despite not having played it yet
rain apex
I thought ppl were upset that 33 is considered indie
safe dragon
we had a game by Nexon last year this is an improvement
red crest
yeah Dave the Diver people were upset about for sure
rain apex
I have no idea it's just osmosis from 3rd hand twitter post here
red crest
no offense to Absolum or BALL x PIT but im surprised theyre even in the nominees for best indie and i think they have 0 chance lol
ive never even heard of Absolum
safe dragon
they're nominees?
red crest
apparently
safe dragon
I have no idea what they are
dusty pollen
indie, AA, eurojank, AAA and kojima
eurojank is a game genre? I thought it was mostly a music genre
safe dragon
I don't think eurojank is even a music genre at all
red crest
Blue Prince is also a nominee and while i dont think it'll win i think it has infinitely higher chances than Absolum and Ball x Pit
dusty pollen
have you not heard britain come back. peak eurotrash
safe dragon
there's quite a few euro[word] music genres but eurojank is not one of em
dusty pollen
Blue Prince is also a nominee and while i dont think it'll win i think it has in...
who do you think will win?
as a blue prince liker I’m not convinced it deserves it
red crest
if i had to put my money where my mouth is
fleet wren
indie, AA, eurojank, AAA and kojima
you're forgetting the mythical, quadruple, AAAA, which according to wikipedia has been used to describe:
- a canceled microsoft game
- an ubisoft game that's been in development for 18 years
- one (1) released game, also from ubisoft, with 50 on metacritic
red crest
i think Silksong gets Indie, Expedition 33 gets GOTY
dusty pollen
wait silksong is nominated? poor other nominees
rain apex
Buttonforcasts
safe dragon
skull and bones was the most beautiful way to try and introduce AAAA. Completely garbage piracy game where you couldn't be a pirate
dusty pollen
I haven’t even played it
red crest
its fun but i dont think its gods gift to man or anything
dusty pollen
I just know the reputation
red crest
Expedition 33 also has quite a rep though, as does Hades
dusty pollen
I’ve never heard of expedition 33
red crest
i dont believe that
dusty pollen
and I liked h1 way more than h2
safe dragon
they wanted to cancel skull and bones as far as I know but they received funding from singapore and were essentially required to release it
dusty pollen
I keep telling you, my gamer levels rival atra’s
I have no idea what expedition 33 is
red crest
if you know what hades is i dont think its possible to not have heard of Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
you may continue to say you do not. i will just refuse to believe you, but lightheartedly
rain apex
I think it's just cus
safe dragon
expedition 33 is a french jrpg
rain apex
Kisaa played the shit out of hades
fleet wren
they wanted to cancel skull and bones as far as I know but they received funding...
it's so funny because if that wasn't a thing I truly believe it would have been canned, bringing the count of "AAAA" games never seeing the light of day to 3/3
dusty pollen
if you know what hades is i dont think its possible to not have heard of Clair O...
I’ve heard the term Clair Obscur! it’s a franchise?
rain apex
iro is also aware of silksong
Another thing kisaa played the shit out of
red crest
"Expedition 33" is the subtitle
dusty pollen
Irocendar observed kisaa playing the shit out of hades
kisaa made me play both hadeses myself
red crest
Another thing kisaa played the shit out of
everyone played the shit out of it
dusty pollen
Another thing kisaa played the shit out of
chu is correct
rain apex
She is responsible for 90% of my current year gaming knowledge ok
fleet wren
my vote for indie GOTY is Plants vs Zombies: DLC Edition but the mainstream media isn't prepared for that conversation
safe dragon
it's so funny because if that wasn't a thing I truly believe it would have been ...
expedition 3/3 the true AAAA game
rain apex
Casey what's the goty runner up since kar2 banned
red crest
Expedition 33 is nominated for 11 of 29 categories and thats counting things like Best Esports Game/Athlete/Team or Content Creator, the categories that no one cares about
dusty pollen
I am not a gamer my only non social pressure game this year was the original phoenix wright trilogy on switch
red crest
i think its very very good
devout vault
Casey what's the goty runner up since kar2 banned
I don't think I've played any other game that came out this year
Or maybe even last year
Bought? Yes. Played? No
red crest
wdym, you're telling me you didnt put 1000 hours in uh... Kingdom Come: Deliverance II?
fleet wren
I admittedly haven't looked into 33 because it looked mainstream at first glance and I only play hidden indie gems
safe dragon
lmao smh
devout vault
Okay, "played for more than 3 hours"
dusty pollen
~~I admittedly haven't looked into 33 because it looked mainstream at first glan...
you should play phoenix wright
terse galleon
wdym, you're telling me you didnt put 1000 hours in uh... Kingdom Come: Delivera...
you joke but that game has all the historical gay romance nerds on tumblr in a frenzy
red crest
~~I admittedly haven't looked into 33 because it looked mainstream at first glan...
this is why you're excited for bad games like hl3 /lh
safe dragon
~~I admittedly haven't looked into 33 because it looked mainstream at first glan...
hidden gems like stardew valley
red crest
you joke but that game has all the historical gay romance nerds on tumblr in a f...
i dont actually know what the game is about or the gameplay like at all so i guess im both surprised and not surprised
dusty pollen
you joke but that game has all the historical gay romance nerds on tumblr in a f...
I thought they were playing the hadeses
devout vault
"Played but less than two hours last year":
- Fields of Mystria
- Ants Took My Eyeball
- Balatro
- Helldivers
(According to steam)
red crest
i dont think history nerds care about hades
dusty pollen
"Played but less than two hours last year":
* Fields of Mystria
* Ants Took My E...
balatro good game
red crest
hades isnt history
safe dragon
I've played over 1000 hours of runescape this year
red crest
balatro is good, it should win an award or something
dusty pollen
i dont think history nerds care about hades
hades is 100% historically accurate
factual documentary
safe dragon
all I've been told by hades is that all the gods were hot
dusty pollen
h2 is alternative history
devout vault
I'm choosing to believe Button was saying this about SDV. On The SDV server. With both the modder role and the "has chatted way too much lately" rol
Oh Button doesn't have the modder role
red crest
i literally dont even have the modder role
devout vault
Well Button has made mods
dusty pollen
I'm choosing to believe Button was saying this about SDV. On The SDV server. Wit...
button doesn’t have the modder role
button refuses to join us
dusty pollen
think’s she’s better than us
red crest
think’s she’s better than us
i do and i am
devout vault
Nobody has the role icons right now for me
terse galleon
...since when have they been despacito and not desperado
devout vault
They seem to be missing more often than not for some reason (for me)
red crest
maybe hidden in compact view or somethin?
rain apex
Is ur discord too old
devout vault
i do and i am
I think my role is a bit more "better than y'all" than yours, just saying
devout vault
...since when have they been despacito and not desperado
good question
red crest
perspective is everything
devout vault
@ junimos why
red crest
desperado has been despacito for like... a year
dusty pollen
junimos make boncher boncher again
terse galleon
wat no way
dusty pollen
junimos are scared of this channel I think
dusty pollen
out of respect for crumble’s sdvphobia
devout vault
Oh casey i finally did the thing u scope creep me to
I can't even remember what I scope creeped you into doing
Is it the hats
rain apex
Hats on trinkets
dusty pollen
I have yet to try a single trinket once
I played two hours of 1.6 roughly
my 1.6 save sits weeping
rain apex
I think they r neat ::::)
red crest
(::::
dusty pollen
I’m secretly a 1.4 purist
fleet wren
I leik money partot
safe dragon
Spoilering this for crumble
lmao
dusty pollen
crumble have you ever played stardew