programmers-off-topic

[cinder karma]

I...do not need to know

[devout vault]

But now you do

Kirby under normal circumstances

So I guess on the larger side of small mammals, yeah

[cinder karma]

In my head I'm substituting a cat

[devout vault]

Hmm, fair

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6744 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1438699496321056850)

[cinder karma]

I want a cat some day

[devout vault]

You know what baffles me more than people who randomly capitalize words in their posts?

People who randomly bold them

Not hating, it just confuses me greatly

Like, why are we making "than" bold (but not every time, of course)

I'd almost say it's like very old SEO stuff, but who in the world is searching for "steam frame than"????

[red crest]

isnt that an AI tell

[cinder karma]

Mouth tracking

[devout vault]

Does AI do that

[red crest]

yeah

[devout vault]

I've never seen AI emphasize the word than

[red crest]

have you ever seen a human use "then" incorrectly in the title and then correctly use and emphasize "than" a sentence later

[devout vault]

Mainly for things like VRchat, so your avatars mouth movement matches your own (instead of "open" or "closed" based on your mic, or something)

[devout vault]

I mean, probably

than and then is like one of those words people constantly use wrong

Like their they're there

Or affect effect

Or its it's (I have to look this up every single time)

[red crest]

but yeah AI likes to bold random things, ive noticed

[devout vault]

Hmm

[cinder karma]

Weird

[frosty echo]

It's usually more coherent than that, some kind of emphasis, not this which doesn't seem to have any reason

[devout vault]

...can Rider not create a file and let you edit it without saving to disk first????

No File > New, and ctrl+N is requiring a filename

[hushed raven]

Nope, I didn't even know that was a thing that could be done?

Oh wait that's what you mean, not to my knowledge

[dusty pollen]

nope

[hushed raven]

I know VScode can but that is still saved to disk just under /tmp/ directory

[dusty pollen]

and on windows?

[hushed raven]

Good point, not a scooby

probably also them temp folder which I think in in Windows/temp?

C:\Users\%username%\AppData\Local\Temp or C:\Windows\Temp according to google, I was half right

[devout vault]

vscode secretly runs cygwin underneath, didn't you know?

[safe dragon]

don't think visual studio lets you do that either

all the terminal editors can I think

[crystal wren]

Sublime does, but probably also just makes a temporary file like VSCode.

[devout vault]

I'm like 80% certain I have done that though

Like I even have to close and open the file after saving to get syntax highlighting to start

[safe dragon]

if you can do it then idk how

if you add a file via the solution explorer it actually makes it

[devout vault]

Ctrl+N or File > New, I think

[fleet wren]

in today's episode of Mozilla having no idea who uses their browsers: https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/building-ai-the-firefox-way-shaping-what-s-next-together/td-p/109922
(look at each and every one of the replies)

[devout vault]

Shake to Summarize on iOS – Quickly summarize pages and stay focused on what matters
Thanks for giving me another reason to not use FF on iOS

(the main reason being, it's literally just safari in a trenchcoat)

(thanks to apple rules)

Also doesn't using mainstream AI stuff go the opposite direction of the supposed privacy focus

Large Lying Machine
stealing this

[fleet wren]

I don't think Mozilla knows what their browser wants to be at this point
if it's a buzzword that gives them even a chance of adopting one more user they'll take it

without considering that said buzzword may alienate tens of their own

[crystal wren]

Did they edit the post at some point? Because either they edited the opt-in bit, or everyone has just been completely misreading that part.

[devout vault]

To be fair I did recently see some models which (claimed to) have all ethically sourced training data. But they weren't "wider use general chat" models, they were stuff like for analyzing legal documents

[fleet wren]

both Firefox and Safari advertises their browser as private because it's an easy cheap shot at Chrome which is owned by Big Data Collector Company and in this essay I will-

[devout vault]

Gross <whatever> always must go up, even if Net <same whatever> goes down

Yet another reason to wish one of the FF forks that supported old style extensions also supported newer extensions (such as ublock origin)

(and RES)

(and the most important of all: tabby cat)

[crystal wren]

Floorp is just fun to say, too.

[fleet wren]

hmm havent heard of Floorp before

[safe dragon]

shout out to floorp

[devout vault]

So is my favorite monogame UI library I've come across. (Mlem)

And as a bonus, it also is a cat thing

[crystal wren]

https://tenor.com/ocP2Ab50Ka5.gif

[fleet wren]

kot

[devout vault]

Oh, mlem 8.0 came out last month

[safe dragon]

I just want something with a name like that to become super enterprise so that a marketing team has to deal with their product being called floorp or something

[devout vault]

If I could find a good lighting/shadowing library I'd love to use MG for a 3d game

and use it for stardew3d

But as it is I think I'd have to stick with godot for that

[crystal wren]

I wonder what Celeste uses for the menus... probably nothing with it being so rarely used.

[devout vault]

SpriteBatch.Draw and Rectangle.Contains, the most advanced method of doing it

(I don't actually know)

Re:godot, I just don't enjoy using the node system

[crystal wren]

Unity!

[devout vault]

ew

and before someone says "unreal with the dotnet fork or the angelscript fork": ew

And don't even think about mentioning the crab one

[fleet wren]

shoutout to those who cut out the middleman and use Unity to make GUI programs

[devout vault]

I've literally used godot like that before

[edgy lion]

Scratch files, CMD+Shift+N?
https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/community/posts/16985245271570/comments/17119602287762

[crystal wren]

Godot makes sense for a GUI program, though.

[devout vault]

(shoutout to stardew editor... I can't remember what version, 3 and maybe 4, I think?)

[crystal wren]

Godot itself is a Godot GUI program!

[edgy lion]

Also I thought you guys were back on about KAR haha

[devout vault]

Of course, stardew editor 1/2 used what true pros used.

Dear imgui in C++

[devout vault]

I tried that earlier and doesn't quite work for what I wanted.

I want to make a file without saving, edit for a while, and then save once I actually know what all it does so I know what to call it

[lethal walrus]

how did the settings shortcut on my taskbar break.. and spectacle?

[devout vault]

I really need to poke more at using the servers directly.

[crystal wren]

Oh, Spectacle's been unreliable as all hell for me for the past few KDE updates.

[devout vault]

I tried it once

[lethal walrus]

i feel like there should be kde settings in the settings section of the start menu.. right

[crystal wren]

It's been so bad, I've had to go back to X11 so I can use Fireshot instead.

[devout vault]

You don't get nice things like the move_and_slide stuff though

[lethal walrus]

all i did was sudo apt install curl ca-certificates -y

[devout vault]

(and that function and the private stuff it calls is not exactly small)

[lethal walrus]

oh

oh no

[edgy lion]

https://www.jetbrains.com/help/rider/Scratches.html#move_scratch

Perhaps this?

[lethal walrus]

Removing qml-module-org-kde-purpose:amd64 (5.116.0-0ubuntu3) ...
Removing libkf5purpose-bin:amd64 (5.116.0-0ubuntu3) ...
Removing libkf6baloowidgets6:amd64 (4:24.08.1-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing okular (4:24.05.2-2ubuntu3) ...
Removing libkf6texteditor-katepart (6.6.0-0ubuntu2) ...
Removing plasma-discover-notifier (6.1.5-0ubuntu2) ...
Removing plasma-discover-backend-fwupd (6.1.5-0ubuntu2) ...
Removing plasma-discover (6.1.5-0ubuntu2) ...
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Removing plasma-browser-integration (6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing libkf6purpose-bin:amd64 (6.6.0-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing plasma-sdk (4:6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing plasma-welcome (6.1.5-0ubuntu2) ...
Removing plasma-nm (4:6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing plasma-pa (4:6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing qml6-module-org-kde-kirigamiaddons-sounds:amd64 (1.4.0-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing qml6-module-org-kde-kirigamiaddons-delegates:amd64 (1.4.0-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing qml6-module-org-kde-kirigamiaddons-treeview:amd64 (1.4.0-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing qml6-module-org-kde-desktop (6.6.0-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing okular-extra-backends (4:24.05.2-2ubuntu3) ...
Removing libokular6core1 (4:24.05.2-2ubuntu3) ...
Removing plasma-vault (6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing powerdevil (4:6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing libpowerdevilcore2:amd64 (4:6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
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Removing libreoffice-kf6 (4:24.8.7-0ubuntu0.24.10.1) ...
Removing plasma-calendar-addons:amd64 (4:6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
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Removing plasma-disks (6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing plasma-thunderbolt (6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing kde-cli-tools (4:6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
Removing libqt6webenginecore6:amd64 (6.6.2+dfsg-5ubuntu2) ...
dpkg: kactivitymanagerd: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested:
 plasma-workspace depends on kactivitymanagerd (>= 6.1.0~).

Removing kactivitymanagerd (6.1.5-0ubuntu1) ...
dpkg: kwin-style-breeze: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you requested:
 breeze depends on kwin-style-breeze (= 4:6.1.5-0ubuntu1).

[crystal wren]

...oh. Oh no.

[lethal walrus]

very

askubuntu person please work

Open the Terminal and type sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade first.

Then reinstall KDE Desktop with the command sudo apt install --reinstall kde-plasma-desktop.

Remember that re-installing plasma will not help with any broken settings, as they are stored in your home folder and are not affected by reinstalling packages.

Also and some other tools is very vague. That makes answering

oh no my taskbar is weird now

[devout vault]

I also still want to poke at my own game engine type of thing. Using Godot or MG as a backend, but a completely different system for actually using it

[lethal walrus]

and my buttons from obsidian ssh wanting permissions are off

[cinder karma]

You're in c#

[devout vault]

The stuff I want to do that for usually isn’t c#

[devout vault]

Obsidian ssh / git is completely broken for me, everywhere. It won’t pickup my ssh key.

On my desktop I tried configuring ssh for whatever the tunnel system is to make it wet the right environment variables and then ssh again, but I couldn’t get that working properly either

[pliant snow]

The fact that ubuntu will actually let you do this is wild

Like arch will just fail if you try to uninstall a dependency

[lethal walrus]

well i have settings back

but breeze is still gone

[pliant snow]

A slight problem

[devout vault]

Might just be my nostalgia talking, but I still think “game maker (7) but with a bunch of upgrades” is what I’d prefer.

Most things seem to be going a more component based route. (Yes I consider Godot nodes to be component based - doing OO with that feels very “tacked on”)

[lethal walrus]

well it could be worse

[devout vault]

Have you considered getting a fan

[lethal walrus]

it's very windy outside and cold i am not opening the window

[devout vault]

And admittedly I am interested in a component based method, but I find it hard to reason about still

[lethal walrus]

my system settings taskbar icon is back!

[crystal wren]

Is it a "normally" named SSH key? like id_rsa in the normal place? If it isn't, I normally find I need to specify its location in my SSH config... though doing that on mobile might be difficult.

[devout vault]

And there are just some things I just don’t want to do as components

Main reason I was using an ECS for a lot with my most recent game project was because it automatically solves the whole “mods adding data to things” problem

(A dictionary of objects isn’t gonna be great for performance 😛 )

[lethal walrus]

so i renabled breeze

but uh

ym taskbar is broken now

[devout vault]

The other option would be runtime mixins, which… would need a lot of trickery to make work

[lethal walrus]

at least i can alt+tab

[devout vault]

(And not be perfect, in a way that would be annoying to use)

…wait, I just thought of another way to do them

Would need the game itself to be deferred loading though, for Cecil purposes

And that’s hardly portable

But yeah runtime mixins (or even just mixins from other assemblies) is one of the main reasons I would want to make a new language

But fitting that into the .net CIL doesn’t sound feasible for what I want, which means tons of extra work 😔

…kinda why I occasionally work on the angelscript c# binding, to be fair

[devout vault]

Oh I never responded to this.

Yeah, it’s the same one I use for git

And this is on windows

[crystal wren]

Welp, then I have nothing.

[fleet wren]

check the folder perms?

[devout vault]

Did windows even have folder permissions in a way that’s significant for this

[lethal walrus]

wooooo i killed plasmashell and got normal looking taskbar back

[crystal wren]

If it works for normal git, that shouldn't be it, but worth a shot.

[lethal walrus]

except it doesnt know anything is open..

but my start menu hovers work!

[fleet wren]

I sent that half a second before glancing at your Windows msg

[devout vault]

Using Linux for my work computer is sounding better every day

[crystal wren]

You're on Arch, you'll be fine!

[lethal walrus]

aww spectacle hotkey sno work

[fleet wren]

see GNOME would not have that problem

[lethal walrus]

wait no wi nshift s does, not ctrl+printscrn

[devout vault]

Did your keybindings get reset

[lethal walrus]

yes they did actually

[devout vault]

I configured my spectacle keybindings like an hour ago

[lethal walrus]

well that was fun

[devout vault]

Only reason I thought to ask 😛

[lethal walrus]

lets see if i can get waydroid and blockbench now

[devout vault]

Oh, what are you using blockbench for?

[lethal walrus]

the title generator

[devout vault]

are you donating models for The Cause™ (my code crimes)

[devout vault]

oh. boring

[lethal walrus]

i feel like i used to have more here?

[lethal walrus]

i mean, do you want me to?

[crystal wren]

(I really never thought this channel of all channels would get slowmode turned on as often as it does.)

[devout vault]

You didn’t think it working again was going to be free, did you? It must c o n s u m e

[lethal walrus]

we are very talky

oh i have 2 ghostty windows now

[devout vault]

(That image is so nice, isn’t it)

[lethal walrus]

it just disappeared from alt+Tab

oh no its a new icon now

by new icon i mean it's not the default wayland (?) one

OH NO I HAVE A NEW DESKTOP BACKGROUND

ngl its nice though

why is postgres running

[devout vault]

“To make you ask questions” (my parents favorite joke answer)

“It worked, didn’t it?”

[lethal walrus]

So WiFi broke and its not coming back as quickly as it usually does

Also got a kernel notification that it killed prism to conserve memory

Both prism and minermcrafr are still running

[fleet wren]

darn this channel is too mainstream now, I need an even more niche programming channel to shill rust in /s

[pliant snow]

I didn't think the kernel would kill user applications for memory

I've always just had it... run out of memory

[cinder karma]

Rust mentioned

[lethal walrus]

Why am I seeing a number on network activity but my network doesn't let activity be active

[cinder karma]

Can't you just name it whatever and rename it

[devout vault]

Good, take your rust somewhere else

[devout vault]

Yes but I usually don’t want to do that

Because I’m picky

[cinder karma]

I need to go find the rust server

[devout vault]

Some programmers don’t get grey hair as they age. They just become redheads

(Or that seems to be the trend, usually people don’t start with rust)

[lethal walrus]

How could WiFi have gotten more broken by doing apt upgrade

[devout vault]

“How could <> have gotten more broken by [updating]”

SpaceCore/JA users once or twice a year

[ivory shadow]

I have honestly never had a good experience upgrading Ubuntu

[cinder karma]

I've had....two

Maybe a 25% success rate

[lethal walrus]

Like it says a few hundred bytes per second up and down, quickly goes to 0 and then nothing actually works the entire time

Hmmmmm

I fear this has something to do with system monitor not seeing WiFi sensors

[cinder karma]

Hey now

[ivory shadow]

Ubuntu being garbage is why I'm so interested in modern distros with read only root partitions. Give me a working os and make me install all my stuff in user space and if something I install breaks, it can't ruin the os

Yes it's not as flexible as a normal read write root, but I feel like the average user doesn't care about that.

[cinder karma]

On one laptop of mine I actually kept my primary user account as a no sudo

[devout vault]

Hay is for horses

(another joke brought to you by my parents)

[cinder karma]

Dont insult yourself 🙁

[lethal walrus]

How does tethering off my phone via Ethernet not even work

[devout vault]

I wasn't?

...are you calling me a horse

(as I was typing that I realized you're probably talking about the spacecore/ja message)

But I didn't mean it insulting - I'm pretty sure I've done 2-3 consecutive hotfixes a couple times this year for that reason)

[pliant snow]

Are you missing networkmanager or whatever

[lethal walrus]

Probably

Does apt list list installed packages or ones available to install

If the former I definitely have network manager

[devout vault]

Oh, metroid prime 4 trailer dropped. Time for lunch break.

[lethal walrus]

Oh found a help thread with the same ethernet controller as me this may be useful

Urgh Bluetooth tethering doesn't work either tugfjghrur

Eh ill restart and lose 35 days of uptime maybe it'll help

[devout vault]

I just saw the phrase "practicing programmers" (reddit, r/cpp)

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/cpp)

[devout vault]

.q

Uber, don't pretend to work and fail when it matters

.choose a, b

[heavy dagger]

Choose result: b

[devout vault]

Okay, you're okay, but you're on thin ice

[lethal walrus]

Oh no oh dear og no

My lock screen is EVEN MORE broken

Booted into x11 and wrhernet works now

[pliant snow]

what

[lethal walrus]

I mean it's probably not because of x11

50 down, 30 up is abnormally good

oh im still in x11 that explains broken monitors (i logged oiut and back in)

[safe dragon]

the day x11/Wayland affects internet connectivity would be a scary day

[lethal walrus]

windows reopened.. taskbar still has no highlights except for wire for some reason

yay internet works on wayland too

and wifi too!!

YAY

wifi is 20 down / 20 up which is better than wifi used to be

anyway
waydroid!

oh since i restarted i can use zen for yotuube again

oh it was that settings got reset, icons are ungrouped now

highlighting still broke but ehh

[lethal walrus]

woo finally waydroid

[hushed raven]

I assumed it was a server wide thing and not a a channel specific slowdown

[lethal walrus]

governor does it based on activity

[devout vault]

It is server wide, but it's controlled per channel

[devout vault]

Yeah, like, there's no slowmode right this moment, for example

[hushed raven]

Waydroid is something I've been meaning to look into, does it get around the issues of apps not working due to weird root shinanigannery do you know?

[lethal walrus]

uhh no idea

i just need snapchat and my phone's 2 instances are in use

[hushed raven]

Ahh gotcha, snapchat is one of the apps that I'va had issues with when using emulators and compat layers, so if it doesn't show a pop up with "unsupported device" or something similar, I shall take it as it working decently

[lethal walrus]

it's worked in bluestacks in the past for me

i will inform you on what happens though

[pliant snow]

That's a great idea, turn on slowmode across the whole server if a specific channel is being too rowdy

[hushed raven]

I never type fast enough for slowmode to be an issue, especially with being able to edit a message to fix typos

I thought I was one of the higher percentile of typing speed but I guess not

[hushed raven]

ty!

[lethal walrus]

wow lineage opening screen

oh i need a snapchat apk

uhhrhrhgrhg it has no internet

[cinder karma]

Awesome

We get to hate on #town-square

[devout vault]

Just saw this and had a cursed idea

Same thing, but it hooks the main screen up to a TV, and the touch screen up to a wii u gamepad

[lethal walrus]

is that just a charger?

oooh

[devout vault]

I assume it's just a charger

But my idea is more fun, isn't it?

[hushed raven]

Did a lot more channels get added? or have I totally forgotten how many channels are in this server bc theyve been hidden for so long?

[lethal walrus]

not that many new ones recently

you'd need a capture carded 3ds

or homebrewd i guess

but the streaming software isn't that great, like 30fps

[devout vault]

I never said it was an easy idea

I was 1000% envisioning hardware mods

[hushed raven]

I don't think the 3DS has the hardware to do external casting so hardware modding or capture card would be required I think?

[devout vault]

Though I guess it'd be achievable with homebrew too

[lethal walrus]

you are correct

[devout vault]

For the TV part, yeah.

But the wii u gamepad was wireless and streamed

(source: homebrew shenanigans during that era)

[hushed raven]

Ohh the Wii U game pad, sorry I missed that part

[devout vault]

(it definitely didn't run code on device like the old GC-GBA connector did)

[crystal wren]

https://tenor.com/blDjP.gif

This is my face right now.

[devout vault]

about my idea?

[crystal wren]

Are... are Harmony transpilers really literally as absurdly simple as take in collection of IL, return your modified collection?

[lethal walrus]

yes

"wifi turns back on automatically"
then how and why is it off

[crystal wren]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[devout vault]

...have you never used one before???????

[crystal wren]

Nope!

[devout vault]

I thought we were friends

I thought we had shared experiences

[crystal wren]

Aw fuck, well now I definitely need to use at least one.

[lethal walrus]

even i've used a transpiler!

and it didn't work

i have no idea why

the IL was changed

[crisp folio]

Waydriod bug been a thing for a while now there's a lot of "fixes" online but I never got any of them to work sadly if you do let me know

[lethal walrus]

sad

[devout vault]

Even the switch modder has used transpilers, DH! I assume not actually on the switch, though

[lethal walrus]

no :(

https://github.com/AnotherPillow/SummitPatches/blob/master/ModEntry.cs#L84

oh goodness this is on topic

[hushed raven]

Oh lord the dreaded Summit

[crystal wren]

I remember when I discovered the Qi outright murder during the 1.6 beta and was VERY CONFUSED.

[crisp folio]

Transpilers are just Cheat engine code injection but safer

[hushed raven]

From that alone I have a much better understanding of transpilers than I have ever had from reading other peoples code and searching online for them

[devout vault]

Okay, slightly less fun sounding but likely much easier: Instead of the wii u gamepad, it streams to a steamdeck

"...couldn't you just emulate it at that point"
yes but that removes all the fun

[hushed raven]

(omg discord updated and now lets me resize the side bar 🎉 )

[rain apex]

Banned from the C# crimes club

[hushed raven]

I think I remember someone has make the Steamdeck work as a WiiU gamepad through some method? I don't think it was emulation at least

[devout vault]

Ehhhhh, I'd say "on probation until you've proven proper transpiler crime knowledge"

[rain apex]

I wish we had infixes tho

[devout vault]

That sounds like it's just this but in reverse. https://garyodernichts.github.io/libdrc/docs/network.html

[crystal wren]

Are they essentially just "insert this before/after x instruction"?

[rain apex]

Find a part to drop in my regular ol C# method is like 70% of my transpilers

[devout vault]

Yeah

Infixes would be nice

[rain apex]

Well you get a list of instructions

[devout vault]

not quite

[rain apex]

You do whatever to it and hopefully give back another list of valid instructions

Usually it does mean find and insert yeah

[devout vault]

oh the website doesn't show infix docs yet

Oh, yeah, transpilers are pretty close to that, I thought DH was asking about infixes

[rain apex]

Idk if harmony actually has infixes atm

Only remember seeing a proposal

[devout vault]

I think it does, but perhaps not in a released version

[cinder karma]

Yes

[cinder karma]

Please

[crystal wren]

Well now they're not even slightly spooky...

[cinder karma]

Tbh the older I get the more harmony spooks me

But a transpiler isn't spooky no

[devout vault]

Did you think we were all doing assembly patching

[crisp folio]

Y'all don't love that?

[cinder karma]

Anyeays

I think DH is proven to be not on the crime side

[crystal wren]

I wouldn't make a judgement until I actually do unlock the power of transpilers...

[lethal walrus]

hmm does the fix connectivity button help

[cinder karma]

You've never used memcpy to get around a type issue

Also thank God for CollectionsMarshall

[lethal walrus]

you'd never guess

i give up

[crisp folio]

😭

Ye just use web browser Snapchat waydriod is shit

[lethal walrus]

web browser needs you to sign in on a mobile device :(

[crisp folio]

They don't have a QR code for you to scan? Wtf is Snapchat doing 😭

[lethal walrus]

they might? but my point is i still need to sign into it on my phone

so i may as well just

use my phone

at least installing blockbench didnt explode things

[crisp folio]

ur best bet then might be the official android IDE iirc it has an emulator built in and you can install apks or from google services/ google play

if u wanna use snapchat on pc as well

[hushed raven]

Last time I tried that it didn't work for snapchat or banking apps

[crisp folio]

damn ggs

[hushed raven]

but that was a long while ago, like a good few years so it couldve changed

[lethal walrus]

android studio is very taxing

[crisp folio]

fair fair i havent used it just know of it so wanted to try and help give options sorry wasnt of any help

[devout vault]

I haven't heard of that one. Would it let me do something like IList<Object> objs = ...; var items = objs as IList<Item>; ?

[lethal walrus]

no worries

[devout vault]

(I assume it wouldn't let you do it as List instead of IList, just because of the whole concrete type stuff)

[lethal walrus]

i love downloading a new program

and just looking at all the pluginks and getting so many

but this is so cool!

[hushed raven]

Block Bench is a fantastic tool

Haven't used it much, but wow its so easy to actually use with no experience

[lethal walrus]

it is so nice

[devout vault]

My internet has been super spotty today and I'm unsure if it's the house internet or the linux

[lethal walrus]

the title generator is so cool

[hushed raven]

Oh that is cool!

Is it actually a 3D object too? it certainly looks like it is, with some odd outline magic

[lethal walrus]

yep!

[uncut seal]

did everyone went and disabled the "smart feature" from gmail? It's automatically turned on and lets google collect data from everything you receive to train models

[lethal walrus]

i think i did it for mine

[safe dragon]

I don't use gmail anymore

[lethal walrus]

fancy render

[hushed raven]

Oh no! how dare they train on all the spam emails I get from them themselves!

(actually tho, ty for mentioning it, going to do it now)

[hushed raven]

that is so cool! block bench is a lot more powerful than I first thought

[cinder karma]

Are you widening or narrrowing

[uncut seal]

what do you use? it's a bit annoying searching for good alternatives so I'd love to know

[lethal walrus]

this is a plugin tbf but still

[devout vault]

it what now

Is it smart compose?

Oh there's other smart stuff too

um... this is a website, not a pc app

[lethal walrus]

i mean it's not wrong?

[devout vault]

reloading is perfectly normal, and I was expecting to do that anyways to press save

[lethal walrus]

it makes no sense

but it is probably correct

[devout vault]

Also, wouldn't that all be handled server side? Why would that need a "super reload" (compared to other stuff needing a normal reload)?

[uncut seal]

the "Manage Workspace smart features settings" button isn't translated properly in French: "Gérer les paramètres de fonctionalités intelligentes Workspace", it looks like they're really putting all this model training to use...

[devout vault]

...does pizza hut hate linux

[lethal walrus]

i have seen that hatred a non-zero amount of times

[devout vault]

My bank's website doesn't load either (but to be fair that was happening even on the previous laptop using windows)

[lethal walrus]

mine works on linux thankfully

and on zen, which is surprising

[devout vault]

...I don't remember this

(login worked the second time though)

[crisp folio]

Zen mentioned

[ivory shadow]

Same energy as this thing I made.

[lethal walrus]

i recognise that idk why

i have no idea where i'd know that from

[devout vault]

Oh, Godot got skeleton IK back

[hushed raven]

I had no idea you made it!

[devout vault]

Huh

[ivory shadow]

(To be fair / accurate, I started with a font someone made, but it did need a bunch of cleanup and stuff.)

[hushed raven]

TwoBoneIK3D is like 2 cakes but surrounded by flesh

[devout vault]

This does indeed seem like an improvement

[hushed raven]

I want to have words with the person who thought it was a good idea to remove the first version, that is a masteripeices

[ivory shadow]

Start a petition demanding they bring back WackyWavyInflatableArmFlailingTubeManAt500TimesSpeedIK3D

[devout vault]

I mean you can still do that if you want I think

You just don't use the new stuff

Well, this is pretty upfront

Need to save that one

[devout vault]

(actually I'm not sure about this? but I'm not exactly gonna test)

is rider being dumb or is msbuild actually angy about escaped quotes?

Poor attribute kitty

oh right

xml is dumb

[cinder karma]

Isn't IList covariance as is

[devout vault]

Fancy programming words? In my #programmers-off-topic ?

[cinder karma]

No, collections Marshall let's me turn list into spans

[devout vault]

Ah

[cinder karma]

It's also what let's me use structs in dictionary and not cry

[devout vault]

I'm pretty sure you can't do that case I mentioned though, since you can't just cast generic type paramaraters like that (as far as I know)

[cinder karma]

Ah no it's not covariance

It's IReadOnlyList<T> I think about

[safe dragon]

I never remember what covariance means

I've looked it up at least 5 times

perhaps it's time for the 6th time

[devout vault]

Yeah I definitely don't remember

Hence me joking about fancy terminology instead of an actual direct response

[cinder karma]

public interface IReadOnlyList<out T> : System.Collections.Generic.IEnumerable<out T>, System.Collections.Generic.IReadOnlyCollection<out T>

[devout vault]

Oh

Yeah I'm not talking about that part

I'm talking about the type parameter

[cinder karma]

Yeah, the out T

[devout vault]

wait

what

Generics can do that?????????????????????????????

[cinder karma]

Yup

[safe dragon]

oh right that's what that is

I will forget again

cause I have no idea what covariance actually means

my brain has classified it as a math term that is difficult and thus it will refuse to remember it

I looked up the math term

what does that have to do with the C# thing

this seems to be an essentially unrelated concept

I would've assumed I'd have ended up on a wiki page about set theory at least

[dusty pollen]

covariance is a cs term, idk what the maths term is

[uncut seal]

isn't covariance related to the correlation of two random variables?

[devout vault]

I'm that way with a lot of fancy programming terminology

[dusty pollen]

oh right that’s the maths term, ty leroy

[devout vault]

"dynamic programming", "memoization"
you're literally just caching past calculations, don't pretend you're doing anything fancy

Greatly confused me when I was introduced to those terms in college

[uncut seal]

don't quote me on that, it's been a while since I've done anything probability

[safe dragon]

haskell is a huge fan of math words to make simple concepts sound difficult

nah you're right

[uncut seal]

tbh dynamic programming can be without memoization, sometimes you just need to be smart about the algorithm for it to be DP

[devout vault]

I couldn't if I wanted to, since uber is largely broken

.q

[heavy dagger]

#93

I don't want a damn cracker

• Paulie

[devout vault]

IT'S BACKKKKKK

[cinder karma]

Yeah both

Again

I have a photographic memory and I use it badly

[safe dragon]

technically dynamic programming is just taking a problem and splitting it into smaller sub-problems to solve. That just tends to use a cache

idk why it's called memoization and not caching

oh memoization is considered a subcategory of caching

[devout vault]

To be fair I added memoization after I wrote most of the message and remembered what I was actually thinking of

[uncut seal]

oh god, 4:30 already? I've got to go to bed...

[devout vault]

don't care, less making terms to make more terms please

[uncut seal]

word of the night: Gabecube

[safe dragon]

I couldn't tell you at all why dynamic programming is called dynamic programming tho

like why does that specifically make it dynamic

are we doing static programming otherwise

[devout vault]

I remember in astronomy in college, the first class literally went over that sorta.

Like, during the lecture, we had to answer a bunch of questions based on a bunch of made up terms and units. By the end we could answer the questions right, but that doesn't mean it made sense. (which was the point of the exercise)

[dusty pollen]

so in cs, assume Cat is a subclass of Animal and Thing is anything generic

if Thing<Cat> is a subtype of Thing<Animal> or if something that only accepts instances of Animal accepts instances of Cat, that thing is Covariant

if something only accepts Cats but accepts instances of Animal, it’s Contravariant

[devout vault]

Dynamic programming is when you tell .net to check type/names at runtime using dynamic meow = ...;

Static programming is when you want to anger Pathos by using static state a lot

[cinder karma]

Pathos is lawful good

What am i

[devout vault]

Lawful neutral, maybe?

Or a different flavor of lawful good I guess

[hushed raven]

neutral retired, a completely new clasification

[safe dragon]

idk as an outside opinion on you modders I consider none of u lawful u do cursed shit

[devout vault]

Maybe a mix of chaotic and lawful good? You definitely overengineered things for performance reasons from what I saw

[devout vault]

I mean you mostly hear about the crimes we do with harmony and such, and the people who frequent here are more likely to do modding things needing more advanced things (such as crimes)

The average modder is not a criminal

[hushed raven]

I would certainly say Casey is Chaotic <something> for sure

[safe dragon]

it's ok they're not here to see me say that anyway

[devout vault]

Neutral or evil, depending on the day.

[dusty pollen]

I beg to differ

[ivory shadow]

I have not yet begun to do cursed shit
-# recently

[devout vault]

"average modder commits 3 code crimes a year" factoid is actualy just statistical error. average person commits 0 code crimes per year. Code Crimes Casey Georg, who lives in a basement cave & commits over 100 each day, is an outlier adn should not have been counted

[safe dragon]

if pathos' very strict adherence to OOP and enterprise-y coding style is lawful good then I'm taking neutral good

[devout vault]

(also I don't live in a basement)

[devout vault]

I mean lawful doesn't necessarily mean moral, so yeah, I'd say so

[safe dragon]

I just don't wanna be in the same group as someone who willingly chooses to program that way smh

[devout vault]

Also, because y'all are cowards who don't do this nearly as often as y'all should

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6745 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1438975906059391107)

[safe dragon]

I was active here during a time where every time anyone said the word fart or something it'd get quoted

[devout vault]

huh

I mainly see quotes for things for the out-of-context factor

(which is a very good use of quotes)

[safe dragon]

this was many years ago

[devout vault]

(ex. the old quote mentioned earlier in making mods general)

.q 5940

[heavy dagger]

#5940

Oops accidentally went on a murder spree. Time to load a backup

• @devout vault (Jump)

Apr 26, 2022, 3:35 AM

[safe dragon]

the active people were like... feeblebeeble, aihr and people I barely remember

[safe dragon]

oopsie

it happens

[ivory shadow]

Me when I'm playing Hitman and the slightest thing goes wrong

[fleet wren]

tfw you have to kill a witness who witnessed you kill a witness who witnessed you kill a witness who witnessed you kill a witness who

[ivory shadow]

It's definitely for the best that killing a non-target invalidates silent assassin or I would definitely end up killing literally everyone on some maps, I swear

Instead... gotta reload

[fleet wren]

for me 9/10 time it happens on that one map where you infiltrate the militant compound

[safe dragon]

I've never played hitman but the only way I've ever played dishonored to to reload a save the second anyone even notices my existence

[ivory shadow]

I've been to Colorado twice so far. The first time for the story mission I managed it with SA and learned all the best disguises and guard routes and stuff.

And the second time was in freelancer. I went back and took advantage of that knowledge and completely fucked up and got in a fire fight and barely escaped with my life after downing like 30 of them

Definitely a map

[hushed raven]

I have never beat that map without killing an excessive amount of innocents

[fleet wren]

hmm I'd hesitate to consider any of them innocents

[hushed raven]

Good point

[ivory shadow]

I wonder if there's a single innocent person in that whole map. Probably not. Maybe the prisoner in the basement, but probably not them either.

[hushed raven]

the first time I played it the prisoner just phased through the floor which was really quite annoying iirc because it was an objective

[lethal walrus]

oh i uninstalled ark

[safe dragon]

the game or the archiving program

[ivory shadow]

why not both

[devout vault]

On the one hand, pillow has been dealing with linux all day

On the other hand, as far as games go... it is ark that we're talking about

don't mind me I'm just a hater because that game just didn't quite click with me

[lethal walrus]

i own ark

but it's 300gb

it is not installed

it was the kde unarchiving program

[crisp folio]

Ark is 300 GB now?

[lethal walrus]

survival evolved is i think

[safe dragon]

and still horribly optimized

and I think it even has kernel anticheat for some reason

[cinder karma]

I've been to Colorado! The grand Teton were fun to climb

[cinder karma]

Casey is definitely chaotic awesome

[cinder karma]

You definitely dont live in a cave

You CLEARLY live in Momo's house

[devout vault]

The cave was georg

The basement (which I said I don't actually live in) was me

[cinder karma]

You clearly live in that cat's house

[hushed raven]

grumble grumble GitHub AI integration grmble grumble

don't suppose anyone has made a css thing I could knick to remove it by change?

[lethal walrus]

I think if you have ubo you can just right click on an element to block it

[devout vault]

I'm not as annoyed by that as I am the firefox thing.

It is owned by MS, to be fair

[hushed raven]

Good point, ty I forgot about that

[devout vault]

No, but I do have a browser extension to revert the home feed to the old one (which stopped working at some point)

[hushed raven]

I am very annoyed about the firefox thing, not sure whether I intend to update it or not now

I didn't know there was an old one?

[devout vault]

(I always get this now)

[devout vault]

You know how the current one is all social focused, for some insane reason?

[red crest]

(the firefox thing?)

[devout vault]

This is the old one https://github.com/dashboard-feed

[devout vault]

The thing someone posted around here recently about them looking to focus even more on AI stuff

(And all the comments on that announcement which were saying they shouldn't)

[red crest]

ahh

[hushed raven]

that seems so empty... I do prefer the newest one (not the one in my screenshot or the one you sent, the even newer one)

[devout vault]

But yeah this old one shows your repos getting starred, forks/commits/releases of things you starred, etc. (I think it was configurable)

[devout vault]

I mean, it didn't use to be entirely that way

That's a kind of a hack of a link

[fleet wren]

all this meanwhile you can't search in files larger than 300kb

[devout vault]

Imagine that page fitting into this middle section

[hushed raven]

This is such an annoying thing I really dislike it, let me search god dammit!

[devout vault]

chuckles nervously while looking at the decompile repo of SDV

[fleet wren]

hey copilot explain what _newDayAfterFade does? oh, you can't because your multibillion dollar parent company doesn't have the resources to index that file in the first place? I thought so you sad sack of artificial shit

[devout vault]

I also hate how the search can't do anything but the main branch

Like, what? My code is invisible because it's on a feature branch????

[hushed raven]

The newest layout looks like this which I much prefer bc it doesn't have random repos I have never interacted in my life

[devout vault]

Hmm, I haven't actually seen that one

[dusty pollen]

I also hate how the search can't do anything but the main branch ftfy

[safe dragon]

damn I see they did something that isn't AI related in that changelog there

[devout vault]

There was a time when I would never use any website's search but instead do site:meowkitty.com in google

But now google is bad too

[hushed raven]

its at the top right, literally just a link that changes it, I have yet to find a way to change it back though (not that I want to)

[lethal walrus]

Works great for nexus still tbf

[devout vault]

time to go short the stock!

[dusty pollen]

how much do you want to bet that’s intended for ai use

[lethal walrus]

(Google and site:)

[devout vault]

Lemme disable my extension which doesn't even work anyways

[safe dragon]

oidc is an auth protocol so it could very well be for some AI shit

[dusty pollen]

eh, half great. would be nice if nexus did decide to add a functional search

[hushed raven]

ye it looks like it could very well be for AI

[lethal walrus]

For comments moreso

[devout vault]

The extension by the way https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/return-old-github-feed/

Also has a screenshot of how it looks when it works properly

(though they seem to be using some forced styling stuff too)

[hushed raven]

I do prefer that one over these other two i think

[devout vault]

(Tangential note: oh cool, DOS snake is down to 54 bytes)

(as of a few weeks ago)

[devout vault]

Yeah, that's what I miss. That page I showed you is just the page it pulls from to make that happen

[hushed raven]

Oh wow that's impressive!

[devout vault]

Oh, hmm, this looks the same. Maybe that's why the extension broke

I used to be able to see things like recent commits in the feed

I'm pretty sure I ranted about it here when it happened

[dusty pollen]

snake cpu instruction when

[devout vault]

Example of me hating on it here (with screenshot of commit example) #programmers-off-topic message

[devout vault]

When you make your own cpu

(or infiltrate intel/amd and sneak it in there yourself)

[hushed raven]

if you infiltrate intel, please try to destroy IME while you're there, I'll give you a fairy cake as payment

[devout vault]

What's IME

And what's fairy cake

[hushed raven]

Intel Mangement Engine, basically a micro computer in the CPU, I have been having issues with it (cue the "when is your computer never having issues" message)

[devout vault]

Oh, the microcode stuff?

Why does that need destroying

Wouldn't that also kill the CPU itself

[hushed raven]

and a fairy cake is a small muffin/cake usually with a buttercream frosting and sprinkles

[hushed raven]

the CPU can be made without a decent amount of it I think? (if I understood it right that is)

ye the microcode stuff, it's caused a decent amount of instability with my new CPU

I was silly going for intel ngl, I should've gone with intel but I was impatient

[fleet wren]

Its exact workings[9] are largely undocumented[10] and its code is obfuscated using confidential Huffman tables stored directly in hardware, so the firmware does not contain the information necessary to decode its contents.[11]

very informative very transparent

[hushed raven]

very transparent, exactly what we've come to expect from large companies

[steel kraken]

The idea from memory of the microcode stuff is that what the hardware physically computes isn't actually x86-64 it's something simpler, and the microcode layer is a thin wrapper on top to translate x86-64 into it.

And also means they can have a lot of flexibility in tweaking the cpu without waiting another few years for a fab revision

[hushed raven]

Omfg I have been setting programs to run with X11.... IM ON WAYLAND ARGH, no wonder there has been so much instability relating to graphics

[fleet wren]

funnily enough last I checked wayland discord (or was it another program) is unstable as heck and I still have to use the xwayland version

[hushed raven]

Pretty sure Casey was also having issue with wayland version of discord, I have no idea how to check which one it's using

[devout vault]

My issues were wayland in general (on mint)

[hushed raven]

Ohh gotcha

[fleet wren]

fun tip: install and run xeyes, if the eyes follow your cursor when it's hovering over a window then that window is using XWayland, if it doesn't follow then it's native Wayland

[devout vault]

what if i don't have eyes

[hushed raven]

Oh wow that's a great tip

so firefox, discord, kitty, and Factorio (when set to wayland) are all wayland, thank you for the tip, it works great

Steam, Prism launcher (minecraft) and Code OSS are all not Wayland

I quite like just having the eyes on my screen at all times

[pliant snow]

Any electron app you can typically run with certain flags to start it as wayland

[hushed raven]

I wonder if theres flags to run it as not wayland

[atomic musk]

I am so confused right now, how is git allowing me to commit on someone else's fork to my repo?
I was just trying to add some fixes to their pull request and just noticed the commits are showing up on their fork repo page

[steel kraken]

There's a checkbox when making a pull request from a fork as to whether the maintainers of the repo can commit to your branch

[atomic musk]

huh... neat

I guess I haven't been making enough forks to notice lol

[steel kraken]

https://docs.github.com/en/pull-requests/collaborating-with-pull-requests/working-with-forks/allowing-changes-to-a-pull-request-branch-created-from-a-fork

[hushed raven]

I'm going to immedietly disable that because that will just lead to so much confusion wow

[steel kraken]

Tbh I would always leave it on, as from a maintainers pov I want the pr merge to be clean and for minor stuff it's easier to just fix prior to the merge then ask the pr author to do it

[hushed raven]

Oh small changes can't just be made to the PR itself? only to the fork which the PR is done from?

(I have very little knowledge and experience with git, I'm sure it shows XD)

[steel kraken]

All the pr is, is a request to merge the branch a into branch b

There is no intermediate state

[hushed raven]

Ahhh okay, I thought it was Fork > PR > Main, good to know for the future, that's probably why I've messed up my repo so often wow

[atomic musk]

that's where my confusion came from, I saw an option to checkout the branch/pull request so I thought there might be an intermediate state, imagine my shock when it just pushed to their repo lmao

[devout vault]

Yeah, in a sense, a local clone of your own repo is sorta a fork of the GH version, thanks to how git itself is largely decentralized.

The difference being is that you can push directly to the repo if you own it

[atomic musk]

only makes sense to remove it if you never intend to send a PR I guess
would be weird suddenly getting a commit on your private edit or project continuation lol

[devout vault]

Like, you know with a fork you usually have "origin" for your repo, and "upstream" for the original? That's literally just naming convention, you can name them what you want and have as many as you want

As an example, when I merged stardew PRs recently and broke the automatic merges for them, I added a remote for each person, pulled their repo, checked out their branch, then fixed it and merged locally. Then after they all were done I pushed to mine

ex, some of the PR remotes that I didn't delete after because it's not unlikely that they'd send me more in the future

And you don't have to name it after their user of course

[red crest]

SpongeBob pointing meme

[devout vault]

ex.

You don't even have to have the remotes originate from the same original repo, though that gets confusing to work with

ex. this is perfectly valid (technically)

[hushed raven]

I am already confused, I really don't need more confusion from remotes originating from different repos XD

[devout vault]

That can actually be useful if you merge a bunch of repos into a monorepo

Like what pathos did for mine

[hushed raven]

I have so so much to learn about git

[devout vault]

Well, you usually don't need to learn as much as I know 😛

[hushed raven]

I had no idea it was this indepth and complex when I first started using it

[devout vault]

Especially if you use a GUI

Ah, yeah

It's really powerful in certain ways once you do learn

[crisp folio]

Same

[devout vault]

git rebase -i is soooooo nice

(well, git rebase in general, but -i is especially magical to me)

[hushed raven]

I am slowly moving away from a git GUI, Staging is annoying though, I still use a GUI for that bc I don't want to commit all changes at once under a single commit message

-i?

[devout vault]

I think usual GUIs can do specific files per commit?

[pliant snow]

You get a list of commits and can delete, reorder, rename, etc them

[hushed raven]

time to open a terminal to follow along

[pliant snow]

it's a nice tool

[devout vault]

I recently discovered that VS can stage specific sets of changes inside a single file, but not all of them. Which feels like dark magic

But yeah what aquo said

[hushed raven]

Thats what I'm using the GUI for, I don't peticually want to list them all in a command to stage and commit

[devout vault]

It's called interactive rebase

[devout vault]

Ah, I misunderstood you

[atomic musk]

I love it when I can stage specific lines per file for a commit when I forget to split my changes into separate commits

[hushed raven]

Oh wow git is truly magical

[devout vault]

git add someFolder and git add FilePrefix_*.cs is your friend

[devout vault]

But yeah I recently used this to split a branch into multiple branches, as well as reorder some

Or, like, realize I forgot something in a previous commit, so I do a new commit with that stuff, rebase, move the new commit next to the original, and mark the new one as fixup

You really shouldn't use rebase on any commits you've pushed to github or something though, just FYI.

There are some specific exceptions, like PRs

But like, if I did that on my repo in develop? All of the forks would have some problems when repulling from my repo

[hushed raven]

I've only just fully grasped the basics of branches, I've been using them religiously

[devout vault]

I don't use them as much as I could

Partially because I've long lost the habit of doing clean commits

Ex. v

Bad clipboard

https://github.com/spacechase0/StardewValleyMods/commit/352c529d0c8a60a20850b252beb361dca2af346c

Multiple mods affected for unrelated stuff

[hushed raven]

Pretty much every change I make is a new branch, then when it's tested to work I merge it back to main, I no longer have weird half working programs in repos I havent touched in months

[devout vault]

But like, right now, GMCM 2.0's draft is on a branch

IT doesn't compile, it isn't ready if someone wants to edit the existing build, so it shouldn't be in develop

[hushed raven]

I recently did this a couple days ago, I regret it ngl XD

[devout vault]

(The same could be said for unreleased mods.... oh well)

[devout vault]

I try not to do it too much. And even then, I try to add some detail, and not do aedenthorn-level commit messages

(for the uniniated: https://github.com/aedenthorn/StardewValleyMods/commits/master/ )

[red crest]

I only use branches for one mod iirc otherwise I just don't bother for hobby stuff

I've also seen just "..." And ":3" and "lol" as the only commit messages for an entire repo

[pliant snow]

the fuck

[hushed raven]

Also, quick question, is it actually possible to undo a commit and revert the files to what they were previously? I'm starting to believe I made this function up in my mind bc I have never been able to do it sucessfully, it ALWAYS has backfired and caused so much more clean up needed

[devout vault]

Okay, but my windows computer can't sign in at all (gets stuck on a loop of just asking for info again), and it is also fully up to date.

So confusing

[red crest]

(not a mix of the three, three separate repos)

[pliant snow]

Yes, although the steps depends on if you've pushed it remotely or not

[devout vault]

Yes

Reverting a whole commit is relatively easy

Specific files is a bit more work

git revert <commit>

for a commit

[pliant snow]

If you just have it locally, you can find the SHA of the commit you want to jump back to with git log then use git checkout <SHA> to jump back there and move forwards. If you've pushed it, you'll probably want to git revert as many commits as you need

[devout vault]

It gets very weird if you revert a commit for a file that has been edited since then, though

[devout vault]

Won't that method revert everything after that commit you checked out?

[pliant snow]

Yeah, I was assuming it was the last commit

[devout vault]

I mean in that case you can just git revert HEAD

[red crest]

you can also just do an undo commit that just undoes the changes of a specific commit but keeps the original and the undo as separate commits in the commit history, so you have a permanent record of your fuck up

[pliant snow]

or git reset HEAD^

[devout vault]

err, that, yeah

[devout vault]

That's what revert is I think

[pliant snow]

the sky is the limit ✨

you can also do that git rebase -i thing we talked about and drop the one you don't want

[hushed raven]

I think I've only ever needed to revert a commit before changing anything after it, When I try git revert it doesn't actually change anything locally, only on GitHub, is there something else that needs to be done to show it locally? even though the command is ran locally? Oh and it also separated into another branch too (like the timeline in vscode split)

[devout vault]

I broke things so much in some of my older repo forks, I eventually stopped using my local master and just based all my PRs on upstream/master instead

[devout vault]

wut

It shouldn't affect github unless you push

And certainly "and not locally"

[red crest]

you can also just go back to the previous commit, copy all the files from the codebase into a new local repo, delete the GitHub repository, create a new repository, init that new local repo, and push everything back as one commit

[pliant snow]

the nuclear option

[devout vault]

who needs history

[hushed raven]

I have done that plenty... XD

[red crest]

i don't, I never learn from it anyway

[pliant snow]

Everything should happen in your local sandbox until you explicitly tell it to sync your changes to your remote repository

[devout vault]

(Yes, I messed it up multiple times)

[hushed raven]

One of my commits that is a tad better than that XD

[hushed raven]

Hmm I most certainly did something wrong then

[devout vault]

huh, I must've actually fixed the base master branch at some point

[dusty pollen]

I wish there was an easy way to make it so I have a separate git repo for just local changes that I commit to often and a git repo that's synced with github that I only commit to when I have something I'm willing for people to see

I guess there is and it's just local branches tbh

[hushed raven]

I just fat fingered like 6 hotkeys at once, Button and Casey, if you find yourselves in a group along side me and someone called engimike, that was an accident and I have no idea how to find out if it actually made the group XD sorry!

[sand frost]

maybe i should push less often? i have a lot of messy commit histories

[pliant snow]

You can also set different upstream URLs and push to one vs the other

[sand frost]

"i thought i fixed it....hmm, nope"

at one point i made a new branch for every casey repo PR, causing octo-repo

[dusty pollen]

the goal is to only push like one in every five commits basically

[devout vault]

I wish I could have folders that were private.

I don't know how you could do that with how git works, but that doesn't stop me from wishing

[pliant snow]

This is a very strange usecase

[sand frost]

sometimes i push every commit

can't you .gitignore

[devout vault]

I do not see said group

[devout vault]

Yeah

[hushed raven]

That would also be an ideal thing for me too, VSCode auto pushes (or syncs I think it's called) and its so annoying, I havent found a setting to stop it yet

[red crest]

why not squash em

[devout vault]

(My mods use some shared projects and such, but how am I supposed to do that without a nuget package or a submodule or something annoying like that for a project I don't want to share?)

[devout vault]

I still want the history

[dusty pollen]

because I still want the history locally and I forgot that was a thing

[pliant snow]

I think you could still add them to the .gitignore for the parent repo, then make those submodules their own git tree so you can have their history

[dusty pollen]

I meant as in only make one in five public there's no difference to me between pushing five individual commits and pushing five commits at once

[devout vault]

I have been messed up so many times when I don't use source control for something I break something I had previously had working and can't ctrl+Z that far

(Or sometimes just in a repo and haven't commited in a while. Happened a bunch with stardew3d)

[pliant snow]

I think you would want to squash them then

[red crest]

if the history is still useful to you, why wouldnt you want other people to have it?

[devout vault]

You want people to see the end result, not the messy in between stages 😛

[pliant snow]

You wouldn't want to actually push 1 in 5 because then it would just be broken with only 1/5 the needed changes

[devout vault]

Because it isn't meant to be open source

[dusty pollen]

(yeah, you and button are 100% correct I just forgot that was a thing lmao)

[red crest]

then im not sure why the mess matters either

[dusty pollen]

yeah, it was more a way to describe it haha, Casey explained it best

[red crest]

unless you thought i was talking to you about your stuff

i was talking about iro's squash aversion

[pliant snow]

I always suspected everyone in here were insane war criminals and this has reinforced that belief

[red crest]

dont lump me in with them!!

[dusty pollen]

because I'm not sure seeing my mess is helpful to anyone else

[red crest]

i do the bare minimum with git and dont care for anything more. git push everything is all i need

[red crest]

if seeing the mess is helpful to you, it surely will be helpful to someone else in theory

[pliant snow]

No one actually ever looks at the commit history, they just look at the tips of the branches

[red crest]

and if its not helpful to you then just squash it you dont need the history

[dusty pollen]

you underestimate my mess

[red crest]

i frequently look at the commit history of mods

[devout vault]

[red crest]

but i may be an outlier ig

[devout vault]

But I love blameing people

[dusty pollen]

(you're both still correct that squashing is the right way to go)

[red crest]

but my point is you must want to keep it for a reason, right. the reason is likely not unique to you

[hushed raven]

I also look at around the last 20 commits of mods and software XD

[dusty pollen]

what if the reason is that I'm a digital hoarder

[red crest]

i dont think you're the only digital hoarder in the world

[hushed raven]

Theres a reason I have so many drives laying around XD

digital horders are so very common

[dusty pollen]

anyway I will squash it because nobody else needs to see the interesting things I did while developing this mod

[red crest]

ive still got files from 2007 that ive not touched since and never will and the only reason i dont have files from earlier is bc i didnt have my own PC then

[hushed raven]

I even own some of my dads files from roughly around when I was born when he had his antique business

[dusty pollen]

there's actually a non zero chance I will just delete .git and start over when I'm ready to release it

[hushed raven]

Another solution would be to self host the repo and set up a script to only commit to github when a commit with a specific message is made

(that was not a serious suggestion at all)

[red crest]

i am personally barring you from doing this

[dusty pollen]

wouldn't it be nice if that was how git worked but alas it is not

[dusty pollen]

I am personally ignoring you

[red crest]

brb disabling BETAS whenever an irocendar mod is installed

i will judge your code even harder if theres no proper history

not the royal you. you specifically iro

[dusty pollen]

one way or the other my code is being released with a single commit. the only question is if that's via squash or via rm rf

[sand frost]

i never learned how to do this

[dusty pollen]

dammit I should have given that as my reason

[pliant snow]

git rebase -i would be the slickest way

[sand frost]

I also never learned how to rebase

I only know the basics: push, pull, cherrypick

[rain apex]

my strat is idc that i have 5 commit for 1 stupid thing

[cinder karma]

Oh god

Brb deleting my repo

Forever

[devout vault]

what about add and commit

[sand frost]

I guesssss

(Yeah I know those :P)

[devout vault]

I mean it is a valid question if you use a GUI

[cinder karma]

Actually button i have a question

A lot of my commit messages are 🤷‍♀️ or 🧹

[sand frost]

I do not know this “gui” you speak of 😛

[cinder karma]

Smh

What if all my commit messages are emoji

[red crest]

then i still hate them

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/j-BwR-Cw0Gk?si=R-tGTAB9cSuwBxSV

[devout vault]

advent of what now

Is this a AoC ripoff

(I don't have the attention span to watch)

[cinder karma]

💃

[ivory shadow]

Compiler optimisations... that's something I'll probably have to worry about if I keep working on this toy language

-# Maybe I can just make casey do all of that once the base is working

[devout vault]

-# bold of you to assume I'd actually fix something instead of work around it

[ivory shadow]

Though honestly, I think the plan would be "assume the JVM is going to optimize this"

[cinder karma]

-# super cool!

How good is the jvm

Last I heard was half sized pointers

[ivory shadow]

Minecraft was coded by Notch and managed to not explode so

The JVM is at least that good

[cinder karma]

And teensy objects

[devout vault]

To be fair there were many refactors along the way (especially was he was out of the picture)

[ivory shadow]

So much of the Java updates since then are just fixing things he did

[devout vault]

I thought you meant the JVM updates for a second and I was like "wait what"

(though it wouldn't be too surprising if MC did influence the JVM's direction in some ways, given its popularity)

[ivory shadow]

lol, Minecraft: Java Edition

[devout vault]

Nono

There's Minecraft, and Minecraft: Bugrock Edition

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[ivory shadow]

Oh, I absolutely expect a significant amount of work has gone into the JVM specifically for Minecraft

[cinder karma]

O.o

Huh.

What is Java used for these days

[devout vault]

Android

[ivory shadow]

1. Minecraft
2. Android apps
3. Corporate whatever

[devout vault]

I'm not actually aware of anything large and consumer facing that isn't MC nor android

(and I'm sure MS would love to abolish java edition)

[cinder karma]

Eclipse right

[devout vault]

...that's still around?

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, it's big in enterprise programming but aside from that, no one wants to do much with it because it's Java, and Oracle is smelly, I guess

[devout vault]

does anyone use it for anything but java coding?

[cinder karma]

We're now testing it for systemverilog

Hey.

[ivory shadow]

All of JetBrains' IDEs are in Java, so there's that

[devout vault]

I wouldn't use java even if it's ownership got transferred to the literal pope

[devout vault]

Oh, right

[cinder karma]

You know what it doesn't have that vscode has? AI

[devout vault]

Jetbrains does have AI

[cinder karma]

Eclipse doesnt

[devout vault]

Ah

That's because it's not worth it for the 1 developer working on it and 4 users who actually use it

[cinder karma]

Just fyi....I was using vim and my coworkers use gedit

[devout vault]

Well you just answered my question I just sent from where you mentioned it in DMs

What language? Do y'all actually do java?

[cinder karma]

Systemverilog

[devout vault]

...eclipse does verilog?????

I had to ask because I assumed it didn't

[cinder karma]

Apparently!

[devout vault]

I mean, eclipse isn't great (at least back when I used it)

But it's definitely a big upgrade relatively speaking

So congrats

[cinder karma]

God I'm so lame

[devout vault]

You are now allowed to use your mouse

[cinder karma]

Jokes on you I set mouse +a

[devout vault]

What does that mean

[cinder karma]

How many of you use vim with the mouse turned on? : r/vim https://share.google/CjxsTMsiIFywFRviI

Vim has a mouse mode

[devout vault]

what

Everyone using vim I've seen online has always been so anti-mouse, so that's probably why I never heard of it

[cinder karma]

What

[devout vault]

For what its worth, when I read that earlier I read that as "if the cursor follows your eyes", and just aassumed it was a silly camera based app that had a very niche practical use.

Hence my joke about not having eyes

[ivory shadow]

I assume XWayland only emits mouse events when the cursor is above a window being drawn with XWayland as an optimization.

[cinder karma]

Other conversations at work

[ivory shadow]

And likewise for other events

[cinder karma]

Do we kill a spider that walked in or does it get to live

Are there extra churros

Do we mail a churro to the coworker in scotland

[ivory shadow]

Does the spider get a churro if it gets to live

[devout vault]

I'd do the latter, because I'm super afraid and don't want to get near.

If I wasn't, I'd say take it outside

[cinder karma]

The spider is in the lab and no food in the lab

[devout vault]

Like a cleanroom lab?

[cinder karma]

No, normal electronics lab

[devout vault]

I was gonna say, that doesn't sound like something that'd even be a question about letting it stay

[cinder karma]

Is atra punchy

(Yes)

(Always)

(Too little coffee)

[devout vault]

(Assuming you mean re:spider and not re:punchy, I didn't mean kill it if it couldn't stay, though)

[cinder karma]

It's Friday, Friday, almost Saturday

[sand frost]

There’s all the high schoolers taking APCS

[devout vault]

Is AP CS still Java??????????????????????

I remember doing it as java

and was bitter when I couldn't skip intro to CS in college for that reason, because they did C++ not Java

[sand frost]

The kids I interviewed today all seemed to do Java for APCS

I say kids, they are admittedly adults

[cinder karma]

All y'all are kids

[lyric bloom]

mine was VisualBasic. >_>

[red crest]

i didnt even get offered APCS...

[ivory shadow]

There was no AP CS at my school back then.

Which is good because I knew more about computers and programming than everyone at the school. And at the tech center the school sent us to for more advanced courses

And I really didn't know much programming at that age.

[devout vault]

I mean there were multiple times in my AP CS class that the teacher went "I didn't know you could do that" to me about my assignments, even if I stuck to stuff that the assignment was testing

The main example I recall was passing a dynamically constructed string into printf as the format string, instead of a string constant directly and thats it (or whatever that function was called in java)

[prisma flume]

see my professors often said the same, but more often as a reaction to something truly ground-breakingly wrong

[dusty pollen]

why is this such a thing. none of the teachers who were supposed to teach CS at my school knew anything beyond the basic tutorial to python

[ivory shadow]

I don't know why this just popped into my head but it did:

The Steam Deck 2 has a good potential to be ARM based, and the Steam Frame is the test platform to see if it's feasible yet.

[dusty pollen]

would that be to reduce costs?

[safe dragon]

I don't think it'd affect cost that much

main benefit should be battery life

does steam even allow you to upload ARM builds of your game rn

is it going to 100% rely on the translation layer

[hushed raven]

I don't think steam actually has a public ARM release at all does it? I would say it probably doesn't allow ARM builds?

Oh wait no hang on is apple silicon ARM?

Yes it is, I think they probably do allow it then

From steam client beta on June 12th, cant share the link directly as I'm on mobile BC the mobile app sucks so much

(on PC now, heres the link: https://store.steampowered.com/news/group/4397053/view/545611272206420781)

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Steam Client Beta - Steam Client Beta - June 12th - Steam News

[hushed raven]

Oh umm ty uber? is that new?

[safe dragon]

nope it's been doing that for steam links for a long time

[hushed raven]

hmm guess I've just never noticed it

[steel kraken]

There were partial steam arm7 32bit support for steamlink on raspberry pi's and stuff
but assuming ahead of steamframe release will be the full steam client release of arm64.
and part of it being arm would be power benefits, but also that it can run sideloaded android apks

there is historical precedent for steam depots to be architecture specific, but its only currently used I believe for x86 vs x64

[hushed raven]

I didn't actually think of ARM being able to run apks, one step closer to PCs and phones running the same software that isn't Apple owned yay! When that happens I'm sure as hell swapping to an OS that can do that

[cinder karma]

Tbh I'm not sure running apks is necessarily a good thing

Without the input scheme

[hushed raven]

I was thinking more about parity between devices, but the input scheme isn't the worst thing, the only bit you'd be missing is multi touch gestures, I haven't come across many apps that utilise them, except for zooming which could be emulated with the scroll wheel, and given the use of modifier keys most genturres could still be done just with a slightly different control scheme

theres also the concern of performance which I don't think would be too much of an issue? android emulators run pretty decently, and if apps are able to run natively, you then don't have the overhead of an emulator itself, running apps designed for a PC on a phone would be of slight detriment, but most things could still be done

[devout vault]

I think some ARM builds have games have been spotted on steamdb

From what I vaguely recall stalking the valve deck we’d subreddit before the announcement (I don’t check it much anymore)

[hushed raven]

Just went on to SteamDB to see if I could search for ARM games specifically (I don't think you can unles I missed it) and wow there are so many nsfw games...

[safe dragon]

lmao

[cinder karma]

I'm just not a fan of the entire Google Play ecosystem

Tbh

Also, like

[safe dragon]

thankfully you avoid that with just installing the apks...

[devout vault]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ValveDeckard/comments/1nqj3o3/info_on_the_apps_being_internally_tested_for/ng9y690/

[cinder karma]

But a lot of apps are built for the ecosystem

[devout vault]

(Steamdb links on that post)

[safe dragon]

ship with that alternative fake google service thing

surely that wouldn't be a problem.....

[cinder karma]

Just give me a web browser like God intended

[hushed raven]

nothing will beat web browser programs imo, they are elite and most of my stuff will probably always rely on them

[devout vault]

Web browsers are a scam invented by Big Employment to create a new class of programming and enslave programmers into a life of pain and suffering.

can you tell I’m not a fan of (making) front end stuff

[dusty pollen]

who even is

[hushed raven]

-# no, not at all, totes not

[dusty pollen]

front end devs? but they're weird anyway /lh

[hushed raven]

I love the front end stuff, and I am weird so it fits XD

[dusty pollen]

there are two types of full stack dev. the front end dev who can also tie a backend together with duct tape, and the back end dev who will give you a website that's somehow uglier than the default settings for the framework they're using

[devout vault]

Stockholm syndrome

[devout vault]

You say “somehow” as if that’s not what they’re specialized in

[lethal walrus]

i would like i say im mediocre at both ends

[devout vault]

That’s what backend is right? Making the front end look like something’s back end? /s

[lethal walrus]

so therefore i am the antithesis to this suggestion

[safe dragon]

wtf...

I try my best ok

I think it looks nice

[devout vault]

Casey and iro have now been blocked by Crumble

[safe dragon]

it's ok I accept the truth

the backend is pristine tho

[hushed raven]

I hope so, a pristine backend says a lot about the dev

[cinder karma]

Is this when I shrill bidets

[uncut seal]

the frontend looks good to me and that's what's important #self love

[sand frost]

I’m not a full stack dev but if I was one I’d be type 2

I hate making website and put in the bare minimum effort

[devout vault]

I mean there’s a reason with my new website I didn’t make it myself

[crystal wren]

I think I'd probably be type 3.

[sand frost]

Raw html is maybe the ideal level of effort

[devout vault]

and the old website is very… archaic looking