well, do you want x11 or wayland?
#programmers-off-topic
dusty pollen
lethal walrus
I too am a kde fan
dusty pollen
iirc niri and sway are both wayland? but I’m not sure
devout vault
well, do you want x11 or wayland?
I mean x11 didn’t seem to have scaling between 100% and 200%… (if I understand right)
dusty pollen
I mean x11 didn’t seem to have scaling between 100% and 200%… (if I understand r...
wdym?
devout vault
This conversation
cinder karma
I primary use cinnamon but I'm old
dusty pollen
oh this is a specific gui, I doubt x11 is locked to that
cinder karma
I literally predates wayland
dusty pollen
you should check xrandr
fleet wren
fractional scaling is only supported on Wayland yes
dusty pollen
I literally predates wayland
don’t most of us? 
cinder karma
I assume hyperland is what selph would recommend
cinder karma
don’t most of us? <:SDVpuffersquee:562830783568543755>
I used Linux before wayland
fleet wren
I think most of us use Linux before Wayland
safe dragon
nope I'd say kde actually
shit like niri/hyprland is not an extra technical load to be dropping yourself into rn
ivory shadow
As someone who has never liked gnome, I disagree on that point
cinder karma
Lol, we use xfce at work
safe dragon
KDE is very good, but you can't beat GNOME in term of polish/Vision™
their vision includes not supporting features supported by every other environment that exists because they don't like them
devout vault
Does KDE have fractional scaling or no
safe dragon
yes
devout vault
Hmm
safe dragon
it even has experimental HDR support I think
lethal walrus
the slider lets me pick 125%
devout vault
I don’t care about HDR
fleet wren
like last I used KDE there's still a thousand different annoyances that would not fly in a more "corporate" desktop
and as much as I hate GNOME it is very "corporate"
lethal walrus
i love how my monitor has a different brand name in the settings as the bezel
dusty pollen
wait isn’t kde x11
devout vault
I just want text that isn’t microscopic and isn’t astronomical
lethal walrus
you can swap on lock screen
safe dragon
uh it's both but generally wayland by default these days
lethal walrus
x11 breaks for me so im on wayland
crystal wren
wait isn’t kde x11
For me now on Arch, it defaults to Wayland only. Had to specifically enable it in the screen manager!
devout vault
Whatever Linux mint used had Wayland swapping on the lock screen
safe dragon
how about sway, which is essentially just i3 reimplemented for wayland
devout vault
And that’s when The Lines™ happened
cinder karma
Huh
safe dragon
linux mint is still very much beta testing wayland support I think
devout vault
It did say experimental
devout vault
But the lines part seems a bit of an extreme issue
safe dragon
both but x11 primarily rn
crystal wren
So uhh... why the Linux, Casey? Did I miss it?
devout vault
So uhh... why the Linux, Casey? Did I miss it?
New laptop, don’t need windows for work stuff, so why not
crystal wren
I like that as a reason!
devout vault
Anyways it sounds like the closest thing to a general consensus is KDE
What is this
Is this literally “can play audio”
crystal wren
I like my KDE. It'll be the most familiar to OS X/Windows, and it's flexible as hell.
devout vault
Or something I don’t need
cinder karma
Pulseaudio is what I use
crystal wren
Pipewire, I'd say. It's just newer, and I've not run into any issues.
cinder karma
But I'm ancient
devout vault
Hmm, the votes are split
fleet wren
pulseaudio is still alive???
cinder karma
Also Casey in the land of Linux you can have multiple windows managers
devout vault
Somebody else, come back and tie break
dusty pollen
I use pulse
fleet wren
(that was partially sarcasm)
cinder karma
We have both gnome and xfce
devout vault
Also Casey in the land of Linux you can have multiple windows managers
Well that sounds confusing
Pulse is the only one I’ve heard of
Eve if I never knew what it was
cinder karma
You can usually switch between them at the login screen
devout vault
Literally just recognize the name
cinder karma
Pulseaudio is the devil I know
devout vault
Might even be from my SFML days
crystal wren
In reality both will work, so it's really... just whatever fits your vibe for the most part regarding the audio choices.
fleet wren
tbh yeah if you're not going to tinker with audio stuff it doesn't matter
devout vault
In reality both will work, so it's really... just whatever fits your vibe for th...
I don’t know what the difference is, so literally the only vibe I have is that pipewire involves pipes and wires, while pulse audio has pulses
red crest
(what the hell are pulseaudio and pipewire what do they do)
devout vault
Which am I most likely to be able to find help for if I run into problems
crystal wren
Look at the Arch wiki pages for each!
fleet wren
pulseaudio pulses audios. pipewire pipes wires
crystal wren
Solid way to check that.
cinder karma
Audio daemons
devout vault
Look at the Arch wiki pages for each!
My attention span is already dangerously close to negative infinity
devout vault
If yall won’t choose for me I can ask uber
prisma flume
KDE is very good, but you can't beat GNOME in term of polish/Vision™
i thought you were vietnamese 
crystal wren
devout vault
I didn’t know we could make polls here
fleet wren
stop the count
devout vault
Also I’m not gonna wait an hour, just FYI
crystal wren
That would be a long time!
safe dragon
What is this
it's 2025. pipewire is the only optino
discord wouldn't even have screensharing if you don't pick pipewire
devout vault
Oh boy, a list that doesn’t even reach the Bs without scrolling. How exciting
hushed raven
Pulseaudio ewwww /lh I have only ever had issues with it
safe dragon
I imagine that list is literally the entire arch repository
crystal wren
You should be good without any of those extras! That menu is... silly.
safe dragon
yeah
crystal wren
It's pretty much that I think, yeah.
devout vault
I kinda guessed but wanted to be sure
hushed raven
Is that part of the archinstall script?
safe dragon
yeah
dusty pollen
damn, really? iirc that was barely not a cli when I first did it
crystal wren
It's honestly really good if you're just doing fairly normal things.
safe dragon
I do use it to install a few extra things straight away cause window managers don't tend to come with a whole lot
hushed raven
I don't even remember that list ngl, I kinda zoomed through the script
safe dragon
realistically I believe you'd press / to go into a search and find the package...
dusty pollen
but unlike some operating systems, I’ve never had to reinstall arch, so it’s been a while (looking at you, windows)
cinder karma
Oh boy, a list that doesn’t even reach the Bs without scrolling. How exciting
You can skip this and install later
safe dragon
archinstall has completely overhauled its UI like 4 times since it was created
I think I've used every iteration
for some reason
hushed raven
They made it significantly easier to use in this last revision for sure
dusty pollen
oh, that’s why, I don’t think archinstall existed when I first installed arch 
safe dragon
honestly I don't think I could succesfully install arch without archinstall unless I have a guide with me
dusty pollen
I used the very detailed wiki installation guide
cinder karma
Oh, arch has an installer now?
safe dragon
I don't know all the random ass commands for fstab and shit
hushed raven
I think the first time I used it the script was an unofficial thing you had to put on the USB before booting
safe dragon
yeah
dusty pollen
at the time, iirc the arch community was actually very against install scripts
safe dragon
you basically just launch the arch live usb and run the archinstall command
that's generally how you do it these days
hushed raven
at the time, iirc the arch community was actually very against install scripts
Some sects still are, a lot of people still hate them ferociously
safe dragon
at the time, iirc the arch community was actually very against install scripts
the elitist era of arch that resulted in the "I use arch btw" memes...
hushed raven
But I don't often listen to "purists" because ain't nothing of mine is pure
safe dragon
thankfully all the elitists then moved on to random shit like void linux or nixos or something
dusty pollen
I think it was around at the time but not very popular so I must not have run into it when I was installing
cinder karma
~~despite the memes I don't use Arch btw~~
Ok redhat
fleet wren
Nix is the "I use Arch btw" of 2025 😌
dusty pollen
personally I learned a lot from manual installation about how my system worked but not everyone wants to or needs to learn all that stuff
safe dragon
I did once install arch manually
dusty pollen
and I kept learning more just from maintaining it
safe dragon
I just followed a guide and had only a slight clue wtf was going on
hushed raven
I've been through the manual install process before, I wasn't the biggest fan, but it was also when I was very unfamiliar with a cli based OS
I recon I could do it again now a lot quicker
dusty pollen
tbh a lot of it was way too confusing. the install guide was just the jumping off point, but you were expected to follow every link and digest and understand every concept on your own
safe dragon
I think today I'd understand it a lot better
though I'd still have to google everything
does anyone just know fstab commands
maybe an IT guy I suppose
hushed raven
The day I learn fstab commands is the day I transcend the need for a computer
I do know how to edit the fstab file though, not a clue how to reload without googling
cinder karma
and I kept learning more just from maintaining it
Tbh I need to like
Learn everything again i think
You guys can tell, right....
hushed raven
Nooo not at all... /lh
safe dragon
nope
cinder karma
Atlas you dont count my dad introduced me to Linux before you were even born
dusty pollen
Learn everything again i think
I don’t think you’re meant to REMEMBER most of it
marble jewel
I learned Unix from Jurassic Park
dusty pollen
Atlas you dont count my dad introduced me to Linux before you were even born
atra you are not seventy 
safe dragon
my dad has never used linux before 
hushed raven
Jurassic Park really did not prepare me for what actual Unix systems actually look like
marble jewel
My favorite part of Unix is how files are 3d warehouses
safe dragon
a well known part of it
ext4 made it 4d
my mom spends several hours a day every day on a steam deck so I guess she uses linux
hushed raven
Technically the truth
ivory shadow
[laughs in android]
safe dragon
it's kinda like saying you use FreeBSD cause ur car uses it
dusty pollen
android is unix though, right? not technically linux iirc (genuinely asking lmao)
hushed raven
I use java BC my radio uses it, totally know the ins and outs of all the JVM
hushed raven
android is unix though, right? not technically linux iirc (genuinely asking lmao...
I thought it was the Linux kernal underneath it all?
safe dragon
android uses the linux kernel but not the rest is how I vaguely remember it
ivory shadow
Android is Linux. Linux is a kernel not everything else.
fleet wren
Android is Linux
safe dragon
I don't think android uses the regular linux kernel either
marble jewel
I'm a physicist because I exist in the world and I'm made out of molecules
fleet wren
it's not GNU/Linux
crystal wren
It's GNUoogle/Linux.
ivory shadow
"regular Linux kernel" isn't a thing
safe dragon
dusty pollen
hmm, I thought it didn’t use the linux kernel, that’s why I asked must have misremembered
fleet wren
(as much as I despise the meme I think GNU/Linux is usually what most people consider a typical Linux OS, and Android definitely falls outside of that umbrella)
crystal wren
Definitely, yeah.
hushed raven
Agreed
safe dragon
my world was shattered when I found out stalman never actually said the famous gnu/linux quote
hushed raven
iOS and MacOS are UNIX right? Which isn't Linux? They're based on FreeBSD?
marble jewel
Windows is Linux /s
crystal wren
Some BSD based I think, yeah.
safe dragon
windows is DOS
ivory shadow
I wonder how much of Apple's stuff is based on open-source at this point
hushed raven
Not a lot I would assume?
fleet wren
user facing software, probably none to zero aside from WebKit
safe dragon
0% they will make it closed source when touched
hushed raven
I will however say almost certainly all of their stuff relies on open source stuff
lethal walrus
iOS and MacOS are UNIX right? Which isn't Linux? They're based on FreeBSD?
So is the playstation 4/5 iirc!
hushed raven
I had a feeling the PS was, but I wasn't certain in the slightest, nor was I certain which ones either
ivory shadow
Apple is too busy selling $300 phone bags to worry about open-source license compliance
hushed raven
It's the iPod sock all over again
devout vault
Apple is too busy selling $300 phone bags to worry about open-source license com...
what
devout vault
It's the iPod sock all over again
what
marble jewel
Apple sold a $300 literal book
hushed raven
Their business model certainly is businessing
fleet wren
fun fact, Linux is not UNIX (it never got certified). macOS is though
marble jewel
ivory shadow
I lied it's $230 not $300 but yeah
safe dragon
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/11/introducing-iphone-pocket-a-beautiful-way...
the thign I really just hate most about this is that for some weird ass reason this will somehow actually become a real thing people use and become a fashion statement
idk how apple does it
hushed raven
what
The iPod had a knitted "sock" to carry it and they also cost an arm and a leg when they came out I believe, it was literally just a sleave the size of a babies sock
devout vault
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/11/introducing-iphone-pocket-a-beautiful-way...
wha
devout vault
wha
devout vault
The iPod had a knitted "sock" to carry it and they also cost an arm and a leg wh...
wha
safe dragon
that's such an ugly book
marble jewel
The book is meant to sit on your coffee table so that people know how much money you have to waste
ivory shadow
idk how apple does it
safe dragon
how did they make like half of the united states part of their cult smh
ivory shadow
They convinced people that having an iPhone is a status symbol way back when
hushed raven
The book is meant to sit on your coffee table so that people know how much money...
I have 2 encyclopedia from like 50 years ago for that, but they were from a charity shop for 2 quid each
fleet wren
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/11/introducing-iphone-pocket-a-beautiful-way...
this is somehow worse than the $1000 monitor arm
ivory shadow
And then they made their shitty OS not work the same as any other OS among other things so people got vendor lockin'd
devout vault
why does discord look a little muddy on my side monitors
ivory shadow
Probably text subpixel rendering
safe dragon
make sure everyone for some reason uses your messaging app that literally does not work on any other phone and then somehow succeed in that (only in the US thought cause that didn't work anywhere else)
hushed raven
Someone mentioned text looked different earlier, possibly an update?
devout vault
Probably text subpixel rendering
But why would it do on the side monitor - ie. the ones that don't have any scaling
safe dragon
that was me yes
devout vault
Text looks normal on main monitor
safe dragon
oh uh
devout vault
(the built in display)
safe dragon
I'm guessing cause it's an xwayland window
hushed raven
Oop😬
ivory shadow
Is it just text? Do non-text things look proper and crisp?
dusty pollen
safe dragon
if it looks sharp in the browser version then I'm going with xwayland
devout vault
I'm not sure how to tell with not-text, but it's not just discord actually
The jetbrains toolbox does it too
safe dragon
does that side monitor use display scaling at all
ivory shadow
I still vote for trying messing with your font sub-pixel rendering in system settings.
devout vault
No, it's at 100%
devout vault
I still vote for trying messing with your font sub-pixel rendering in system set...
Is that different per monitor?
safe dragon
shouldn't be
hmmm 100%...
I'd try launching discord as a wayland window and see if that fixes it
devout vault
Oh yeah, and the discord application icon is invisible for some reason. So that's fun
safe dragon
not ideal
devout vault
Browser discord isn't muddy (but does have the color difference, not that that's surprising)
devout vault
I'd try launching discord as a wayland window and see if that fixes it
also I literally don't know how to do this
marble jewel
You can also try Vesktop which comes with some Linux-friendlier tweaks
safe dragon
uh set the environment variable ELECTRON_OZONE_PLATFORM_HINT to wayland or auto and then relaunch discord in that state
ivory shadow
I would go so far as to say you really need Vesktop, because when I was running the native Discord app it wasn't detecting idle status properly.
So it was eating all my notifications
marble jewel
Very friendlier
devout vault
Changing legacy application scaling from "apply scaling themselves" to "scaled by the system" fixed the muddiness.
(Even though it's at 100% scaling, yes)
safe dragon
🌈
devout vault
Oh but that can't be set per monitor
safe dragon
I await the day x11 just explodes and dies
basically every remaining display issue I run into is due to x11
devout vault
I'm a little spooked out by the idea of using an unofficial discord thing
Like I've never used Better Discord or whatever it is either
hushed raven
Do make sure you have a notification Daemon aswell (on arch this is), discord (and vesktop) has had issues where it just randomly crashed BC it can't find one
safe dragon
kde comes with one
hushed raven
Ahh you've kde nice choice
marble jewel
Vesktop is mostly vanilla until you start modding/theming it. AFAIK there are no known repercussions to simply using Vesktop.
lethal walrus
No repercussions for vencord entirely currently AFAIK
If they were banning people just for using vencord, you'd be hit for being on vesktop too
safe dragon
brb implementing malware in vesktop
marble jewel
Vesktop/Vencord are pretty much interchangeable
It's just one has you install Discord first
(I mean sure, Vesktop has some more built-in tweaks, but not substantially different)
devout vault
"why are discord notifications echoing"
suddenly notices I left the web discord tab open
marble jewel
Why use apps when you can just have 500 tabs open
prisma flume
because the websites redirect me to mobile apps with an embedded browser that has the forms they removed from their website 🔥
marble jewel
Just disable javascript, that fixes everything /s
lethal walrus
I love when tbe entire lage is <div id="app"></div>
crystal wren
marble jewel
One of us... one of us...
prisma flume
no votes for WASAPI 
cinder karma
Our work AC is broken 🙁
In particular, it's dumping cold air all over me
The outside temp doesnt even justify the AC being in
Btw I cant see kde without singing
cinder karma
I see you're in the framework cult
ivory shadow
Yeah, we talked casey into it
cinder karma
Khloe! Are you an arch
ivory shadow
I have a server that's running arch, but my laptop is running Bazzite.
And I still have Windows on my main PC for annoying reasons
The Valve announcements today really derailed my thoughts, lol. I made absolutely no progress on the latest dumb project casey tricked me into
cinder karma
What are you making?
devout vault
The Valve announcements today really derailed my thoughts, lol. I made absolutel...
Hey now, you went in an entirely different direction than the nonsense I was talking about
cinder karma
(Tbh I have no clue what valve announced and I dont care to know)
ivory shadow
C# for the Java Virtual Machine. Or, rather, a C# like language because some language constructs are infeasible on the JVM, like: unsafe stuff and pointers, stackalloc, structs, and anything about generics that requires knowing types at runtime
devout vault
Smh structs and runtime type generics are sorta doable with enough nonsense
(Ie. What the thing I was trying to update does)
ivory shadow
structs are absolutely not "doable" lmao you just make a class and go "lalala see it's a struct I said so I promise"
cinder karma
So not a struct lol
devout vault
structs are absolutely not "doable" lmao you just make a class and go "lalala se...
Doable syntactically, yes 😛 StructHolder<meow>
devout vault
Casey, what if I want to pull out a memcpy
With the thing I was doing? It warns you, and if you do it again it deletes your project out of spite
ivory shadow
Also Java doesn't have separate types for unsigned int/long/etc. so that's a fun language distinction.
cinder karma
Oxidation seems fun
devout vault
Hissssssss
cinder karma
With the thing I was doing? It warns you, and if you do it again it deletes your...
(I have used a memcpy before.)
devout vault
(I have too - or at least the unsafe c# version)
(Well, the c++ version too, definitely, just not IN c#)
cinder karma
Also Java doesn't have separate types for unsigned int/long/etc. so that's a fun...
How is kotlin to use
ivory shadow
Honestly, I could implement runtime types
cinder karma
I have no reason to use Java
devout vault
I have no reason to use Java
This is like 95% for Minecraft modding purposes
(Both of ours, I believe)
ivory shadow
How is kotlin to use
Honestly, I haven't used Kotlin. I don't like how the syntax looks, even though it definitely does many things better than Java.
cinder karma
You have rust as an option
cinder karma
Kotlin seems so much more comfy to use than Java
And you'll never take my stackallocs from me
cinder karma
I have a server that's running arch, but my laptop is running Bazzite.
Okay looks like Bazzite is for gamers so I am going to ignore it
I've never used arch.....I got peer pressured into Ubuntu
fleet wren
Bazzite's more interesting thing is it being immutable and snapshot based
cinder karma
What does that even mean like I
Also you cant sell me on anything I dont recognize 😛
ivory shadow
What does that even mean like I
The root file system is readonly, so you can't accidentally break it by uninstalling a critical package. In theory.
cinder karma
That sounds annoying
What is more fun than breaking your laptop 40 minutes before you have to give a presentation?
(But more seriously....it is a lot of stuff I dont need on a personal machine.)
Like, I barely use my personal machine as is
How bad is the nvidia instability problem
Like actually I'm thinking of writing my own spice engine but with gpu
devout vault
Apparently my windows updated
This is literally the opposite of what I want from notepad
I like notepad because it can do nothing but plain text
Apparently formatted documents have markdown mode, but like
It doesn't even actually italicize with the markdown format specifiers, so what's the point
(I assume that means the document is saved as markdown, though)
fleet wren
died 2024 born 2025 welcome back WordPad
devout vault
not to invoke the slippery slope fallacy (actually - completely to invoke the slippery slope fallacy), but... how long until notepad turns into MS Word 2.0 (and we have to pay for it) 😔
devout vault
died 2024 born 2025 welcome back WordPad
No .rtf support, so not quite yet
cinder karma
How goes KAR?
cinder karma
~~not to invoke the slippery slope fallacy~~ (actually - *completely* to invoke ...
You're a linuxer now
devout vault
How goes KAR?
Demo hasn't started back up yet
devout vault
You're a linuxer now
Not on my desktop
cinder karma
But you're now insulates from Microsoft BS
If Microsoft ever pissed you off you can do full time linux
devout vault
(Too lazy to attempt janky meme on mobile)
A: “Hmm. What should we use to advertise our new wearable tech device?”
B: “How about something about The Ring That Always Watches You and Will Definitely Corrupt You”
A: “Great idea! You get a raise and promotion”
It’s not the first time. It’s not even the first time for that franchise. But…. man
sand frost
If this thing gives me more Microsoft on my finger get me the hell away from it
Outlook offended me today
It would not display an attachment on an email
That is what email is for
The attachment was a PDF
devout vault
Outlook? Huh, the usual culprit is Word
sand frost
Also who the hell uses a ring for Solidworks
That sounds made up ngl
Maybe a scam?
Outlook is the one that annoys me daily because I have to use it
I have many ways to get around using word
sand frost
(Though not quite enough, I had to use it today)
cinder karma
It's a stream deck on your finger?
sand frost
Hilarious, they just decided that probably I enjoyed windows
cinder karma
Oh god why
cinder karma
I....why not just use a mouse like God intended
sand frost
It’s a mouse on your finger
devout vault
(Though not quite enough, I had to use it today)
(If there is any use of it left. It’s not enough.)
sand frost
Sadly govt documents believe in word
devout vault
(Even notepad isn’t safe, based on my earlier discovery)
sand frost
Sometimes also my students send me .docx
cinder karma
Elizabeth should I use haskel
sand frost
Learn you a Haskell for great good, is that it?
devout vault
Sadly govt documents believe in word
The only word worth believing in is the word of Yoba, may they bless my ancient fruit wine with iridium quality
sand frost
I wouldn’t learn it for useful things, but it seems fun as a hobby
devout vault
I wouldn’t learn it for useful things, but it seems fun as a hobby
There are many such cases
sand frost
You could pick up some recreational category theory
devout vault
“Why were you looking into running Godot on the GameCube recently ish?”
“…why not?”
I should sleep
sand frost
It’s a theory yeah
I should sleep, but I probably won’t
Early morning tomorrow intersects poorly with owl tendencies
cinder karma
I wouldn’t learn it for useful things, but it seems fun as a hobby
I think having clash would be actually good for work
Night night!
I'll shut up about Haskell and Japanese curry
I too need to do my French and go to bed
sand frost
Appeasing the owl
sand frost
It is definitely past “must have heat” time here
We’ve had freezing temps, and nearby even snow
prisma flume
Outlook is the one that annoys me daily because I have to use it
the fact that Outlook imagines the first, top, default, go-to, primary context action for an attached pdf is not to download it, forward it, or send it to another program, but instead to Summarize(tm) it with Microsoft Copilot(tm) properly fucks me off
the very same Microsoft Copilot(tm) that i disabled in outlook and windows independently already
i HATE ambient and multimodal agentic user experiences
cinder karma
You know what
I'm glad we don't get outlook with ai
Blueberry! What is your Linux distro of choice
prisma flume
where's the registry key to explode Cortana(tm) permanently forever
cinder karma
Is it arch
prisma flume
i have only ever used Ubuntu for schoolwork and something called Puppy to recover some windows data
prisma flume
where's the administrative group policy entry for completely obliterating agentic user experiences
fleet wren
I feel like every story I hear out of Windows users nowadays is like someone venting about an abusive relationship they can't get out of
prisma flume
we had a good thing going. they let me use my software and i use their operating system
now they re-enable hands free mobile mode on my headphones after every restart and my steam context windows turn into a black square after the first sleep
cinder karma
~~I feel like every story I hear out of Windows users nowadays is like someone v...
Don't worry you get these stories from Linux users too
prisma flume
Did it eat your homework?
iirc windows 7 exploded/collapsed/melted and i needed my appdata and such back
which mightve been why i got windows 11
cinder karma
I recall the two years I spent with no way to use a gui to launch a program
fleet wren
at least for linux the abuse is mutual
cinder karma
I broke that part kf the windows manage
And for two years I wojld simply launch a terminal and go firefox &
sand frost
I recall the two years I spent with no way to use a gui to launch a program
The only time I’ve used Linux this was in fact my experience
prisma flume
see the reason i use windows over linux (other than photoshop) is that i want the minimum possible suffering out of my day
sand frost
I assume I was too dumb to find the buttons
cinder karma
I like suffering
cinder karma
The only time I’ve used Linux this was in fact my experience
Oh god was xmonad involved
prisma flume
i don't want to fuck with the settings every day. i want to edit nothing and enjoy my life
cinder karma
It was all the rage
sand frost
My years as a Mac user taught me command line fortunately
cinder karma
i don't want to fuck with the settings every day. i want to edit nothing and enj...
Sorry you just get ads everywhere now
sand frost
Oh god was xmonad involved
No it was literally a cluster computer lol
Wasn’t mine at all
Very standard install
sand frost
I literally just couldn’t find the buttons
cinder karma
i don't want to fuck with the settings every day. i want to edit nothing and enj...
Sadly we made sand think
What if I drop my laptop in the nearest river and walk into the sunset forever
prisma flume
i don't actually get ads in windows at all, just the usual corporate ai shovelware
which is more in the software than the os
prisma flume
huh
i must've fucked off whatever setting that was when i first picked up win11
there's a lot of bloatware to disable
prisma flume
oh, i skipped 10 entirely. revolting
not that 11 is much better but it does at least look nice while it fucks me off
cinder karma
I'm going back to Linux tbh
prisma flume
ah, microsoft teams reminding me i can reenable Microsoft Copilot(tm) for the second (third?) time today
heavy daggerBOT
New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6741 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1438401511993643139)
prisma flume
the good news is my desky desk and footrest and dual monitor arm are on the way 🙂↕️
finally, something i can trust, with no value-added computer bullshit. a wooden board
fleet wren
but consider: wifi-connected footrest that collects biometric data from your feet's blood flow
prisma flume
unfortunately the desk does come with an app but i choose to pretend it doesn't
hushed raven
( this was going to be put in mmg but I figured it might be better here?)
I'm looking for some guidance on mod organisation, specifically with version control and Git, I would like to have all my mods in a single repo but each folder within the repo be under it's own separate version control, having them all under a single version control system seems very clunky and prone to my own miss management, I have looked into git worktree and git flow but they seem just as clunky and not exactly what I'm thinking of, I'm having no luck finding anything similar either. I don't really want to have separate repos for each mod as it would clog up my github and be an annoyance to find anything (if I could put repos in a folder I'd certainly go with that, even if it was just a github only thing), if anyone has any ideas or ways that could help solve this "issue" I'm having, it would be greatly appreciated
an example of the repo fil structure would be something like this:
Stardew Mods Repo
├── .git
├── mod1
│ ├── .git
│ └── manifest.json
└── mod3
├── .git
└── manifest.json
this is pretty much because I use assets and code from various other of my mods (like a pick and place system at this point) so having access to them without opening 5 different code editors would be great
steel kraken
You have contradicting goals.
One repo and seperate version control are incompatible goals
hushed raven
Gotcha, that explains why I can't find anything that solves it then
steel kraken
You can have a repo reference other repos with submodules, but can be a pain in the ass and would need to continuously update the outer repo to point to the newer commits of each submodule
But that would still break your goal of clogging up your GitHub profile
hushed raven
to my understanding submodules are like symlinks (in a very simplified manner)? that's what it looks like from reading the git docs
steel kraken
Kinda, rather than the contents of the folder being defined inside the repo it's a pointer to a different repo instead
But the physical filesystem once fully cloned/pulled would mostly look like what you want, it's just a bitch to maintain
crystal wren
Instead of git submodules, just have an SVN/Mercurial repo for each individual mod on a different host instead. /j
hushed raven
it seems like ease of maintaining does not go with easy to navigate across repos
crystal wren
But yeah, I'm not sure there really is an elegant way around this. I considered submodules for mine, but it's just such a burden.
steel kraken
But in terms of polyrepo you can have a vscode workspace defined outside of version control that has the various mods repos open
hushed raven
then the issue of clogging up my github page comes back, I did think of that idea and have used it for a smaller group of repos, it's just not ideal either
crystal wren
I suppose you could have a separate account for just the individual mods?
steel kraken
There's a reason most of us gave up and just followed pathos's lead with monorepo
crystal wren
But then that's messy in a different way.
steel kraken
Monorepo where you just have some self control to keep commits contained to one mod at a time minimises most of the downside
hushed raven
I did also think of a separate account but that would be even more of a hassle to me than my original though XD
crystal wren
Branch protection at least really helps with that self control for me.
hushed raven
I think I'll have to toss together a salad of branch protection and general self control, I think a decent amount could be automated too, but I may just be over inflating the need for it
steel kraken
I personally don't care enough to go through the effort of branch protection (or precommit hooks) as I'll just get annoyed at past me trying to get in present me's way
In a codebase where other people are actually contributing, sure. And would turn branch protection on in all my work codebases where the expectation is everything is getting code review.
But for my solo personal repos, nah
hushed raven
If I didn't have to enter a pat whenever I clone or pull a repo I probably would have separate private ones then when a feature or bug is fixed, put it into the public repo, it's just so incredibly annoying finding the pat given I have to search through a password manager
steel kraken
Any sane git client shouldn't be requiring that
hushed raven
for private repos the git clone command needs them, it's such a pain
dusty pollen
why don’t you set up your stored auth?
you shouldn’t have to do it every time, there are ways to just stay authed on a certain machine
hushed raven
I had no idea stored auth was a thing, bare with, going to check it out
crystal wren
Alternatively, SSH keys!
hushed raven
SSH keys is probably a better alternative for me, I didn't realise I could use them either, good to know! ty all for your help and ideas
crystal wren
The only distinction with SSH keys is you need to change your remotes to the SSH version.
uncut seal
this is pretty much because I use assets and code from various other of my mods ...
if it's just about having everything in your editor, can you not just open the parent folder of your mods and commit/pull only the one you're working on?
ah wait, clogging github profile, forgot this part
cinder karma
If I didn't have to enter a pat whenever I clone or pull a repo I probably would...
My dear God your looking for svn
Anyways
This is probably against github tos but
I made an entire second githuv account
hushed raven
Just had a look (bc a second acoount being against tos seemed baffling) and you can only have 1 free account, however you can have a machine account which only does automated tasks which is decent news
devout vault
( this was going to be put in mmg but I figured it might be better here?)
I'm l...
Far from ideal, but a bit less annoying that submodules, is what I did before my monorepo
https://github.com/spacechase0/StardewModsSolution
definitely doesn’t fix projects on profile issue, though
I’ve contemplated that sort of thing before as well. Like, MMR on hit does exist, it’s just on a separate repo because I couldn’t figure something out. Which means I couldn’t use SpaceShared 😔
hushed raven
I wonder how generous Githubs definition of a machine account is (so far found not much) at this point however I'm tempted to just self host with as much automation as I can do, it would probably be a lot more customisable for sure
devout vault
Sub modules are just so annoying if you need to actually make changes in them continuously
And there’s no way to say “hey this one is optional so if you don’t have the password you can just skip it”
cinder karma
Tbh it helps, atlas, that I'll be setting up a gitlab as my new professional account
No reason but the energy of the electrical engineers is actually on gitlab
Not hub
So if they delete my personal github I'm not mad
crystal wren
That's about right!
devout vault
Why is github working for everything except for getting one specific file
hushed raven
it has a cat on it's lap, that's why it can't do anything
devout vault
I don't know why but one of the panels (one I set up with clipboard, sticky note, and calculator) stopped accepting input focus
No keyboard input, and the clipboard thing is acting like it always has mouse focus
Trying to get flameshot to show on all monitors correctly using KDE window rules. My monitors are like this, and it captures everything, but places the window on the main monitor. So the capture shows the left monitor on the main monitor (with a black margin above), and the middle monitor on the right monitor (with the bottom portion cut off), hence doing this.
However, KDE does not want to place the monitor in the black null zone
Which means the best I can do is something like this, at least that I've figured out so far
Or, to show more clearly
This
Becomes this on the capture screen
If I try to do a "null zone" position, it just goes back to main monitor default position
Will fix that later I guess
meanwhile, what the heck
pliant snow
Im surprised mint doesnt come with less
hushed raven
less should be installed alongside git, installed using pacman right?
devout vault
Main thing that ended up making me change was that the default window manager didn't allow fractional scaling, and the wayland stuff was super buggy
devout vault
less should be installed alongside git, installed using pacman right?
Yeah, but it wasn't
hushed raven
That's really odd
devout vault
this (re: mint wayland buggy)
lethal walrus
I wonder how generous Githubs definition of a machine account is (so far found n...
Forgejo is super easy to set up
pliant snow
Oh, I guess I have the man pages installed, which has it has a dependency. I didn't recall ever installing less manually
lethal walrus
(Gitea fork, its the thing codeberg runs on)
pliant snow
less should be installed alongside git, installed using pacman right?
It' s an optional dependency, I'm looking at it now
Which makes sense, since you can set the PAGER to whatever you want
safe dragon
meanwhile, what the heck
I'm guessing you didn't install base-devel
that's basically a combination package of a bunch of dev tools
devout vault
why wouldn't that be installed already
safe dragon
not everyone's a dev
pliant snow
git and less aren't in base-devel
hushed raven
Forgejo is super easy to set up
Thank you for the rec, I have seen forgejo floating around various different places but I was never too sure as it seems to be quite young, I'll have a further look into it, it seems like it should be a decent fit especially for organisation
devout vault
Isn't basically everyone gonna have to compile something at some point
pliant snow
terminal pager
lethal walrus
Thank you for the rec, I have seen forgejo floating around various different pla...
Pretty sure there's proper account stuff by default, I just have it set up for one account and no signups
safe dragon
huh
pliant snow
I had installed via man-db
devout vault
git and less aren't in base-devel
oh,t hat explains why I already have it and had this issue
pliant snow
You probably want man-db and man-pages installed if you want documentation for stuff
devout vault
how is man not installed by default
is this a distro for people with every linux command fully memorized
pliant snow
No it's a distro where nothing is installed by default
devout vault
insanity
safe dragon
I'll make my own
hushed raven
Crumble's Linux: Crumblux, if you so desire
fleet wren
that's arch for ya
if you want sane defaults go with idk CachyOS or smth
or Ubuntu
I was trying to think of another "Arch with sane defaults" distro but Cachy seemed to have eaten them all in the collective noosphere, is it that good
cinder karma
Just have a custom dkpg
cinder karma
meanwhile, what the heck
I love your hostname
devout vault
(It's framework-cattop to differentiate from the mac laptop, which is just cattop)
lethal walrus
im so boring over here with name-desktop
hushed raven
I've never thought to do anything fun with the hostname like at all, Just bog standard entirely
lethal walrus
at least my pis and VPSes are more interesting
[random berry on wikipedia page for berries]pi
hushed raven
I need to think of a fun idea to name my server, atp it's just trying to fish out a cable that's stopping me from setting it up
devout vault
Yeah, you could probably make stuff like issue management software too with that sort of name
Or a GitHub-like
You know, normal hobby projects
hushed raven
I feel something like that would pair well with describing the time taken to do something as "Story Points"
fleet wren
my desktop hostname is mansion, and my phone hostname is house
so like only 50% boring
rain apex
I was trying to think of another "Arch with sane defaults" distro but Cachy seem...
What r the insane defaults of arch
fleet wren
well judging from casey's misadventures not having less or man preinstalled
or even coreutils? not sure though
I also heard network drivers (mainly for wifi cards) could be a pain but I heard that years ago
lyric bloom
I actually ran out of Ar Tonelico names for my computer.
.. I'm going to move on to Mana-Khemia then
(I mean, I haven't truly ran out but)
rain apex
Wifi was indeed a pain yes
lyric bloom
(I am not naming my computer Ionasal.kkll.Preciel)
rain apex
Though i wasn't sure if it's arch bullshit or general linux bullshit there
lyric bloom
could be both. Modern linux is a lot better at recognizing base chipsets, but
I have dreams occasionally of trying to download graphcs drivers to an old Win98 box with 64MB RAM just to geta linux install to work. >_>
('dreams'.)
lethal walrus
i still have very slow wifi that only works with non-hidden networks
devout vault
well judging from casey's misadventures not having less or man preinstalled
or git
marble jewel
Yeah, that's why I recommended CachyOS since it comes with most of the defaults you'd expect
devout vault
Ah, but you see
fleet wren
tbh git is more forgivable being missing
devout vault
If you mentioned that yesterday, I completely missed it
And I don't wanna set up a third time
fleet wren
I did mention it but it has ||Blazingly Fast|| as the tagline and it triggered auto crab repellers
devout vault
Oh, that one
lyric bloom
Oh, that one
which one did you pick?
fleet wren
(well there's like an 87% chance they deliberately picked that tagline for the memes)
marble jewel
To be fair, it was built for the purpose of coming with their open sourced optimizations. Some of which are finding themselves back to the main Arch distro. But their initial claim to fame was because of their gaming performance.
They also have a separate handheld gaming distro intended for things like the Steam Deck.
devout vault
which one did you pick?
Started with linux mint, quickly had to change because of this #programmers-off-topic message
So now using arch (btw)
lyric bloom
Huh. Weird that Mint's doing that. Arch is decent but it does require a bunch of setup
fleet wren
the initial problem probably could have been solved by installing another WM/DE, but why waste the golden opportunity to gain the ability to claim that you use Arch (btw) 
devout vault
The wayland support is still marked experimental
fleet wren
god I should probably switch eventually
devout vault
(and I needed to switch to wayland because 100% monitor scale was too small and 200% was way too big)
marble jewel
Goldilocks and the three bears monitor scales
pliant snow
oh yeah Mint only just added wayland
KDE wayland quite solid tho, I've been using it for years
Do you want a list of packages I would recommend having installed lol
devout vault
lethal walrus
as a side note, can you hide the channel list in discord
add a css rule i guess
devout vault
add a css rule i guess
is my solution not good enough
safe dragon
it's too good
lethal walrus
is my solution not good enough
i dont have notepad
devout vault
Well MS paint won't go thin enough unless you make your channel list absurdly wide
But I'm sure your computer has something that will work
Even linux - just open vim vi with a text file
lethal walrus
close enough
pliant snow
Stuff you might want
7zip - .7z compression support
amd-ucode/intel-ucode - Microcode optimizations for your processor type (requires a little bit of config to set up)
ark - KDE's archive utility GUI
base - You probably have this
base-devel - Compilers and shit
btop - Terminal system display I really like
exfatprogs - If you want to partition stuff in exFAT or NTFS or whatever
firefox
git
gwenview - KDE's image viewer
imagemagick - Convert between image types, you might have it as a dependency
libreoffice-fresh - MS Office alternative
man-db and man-pages - Manuals
neovim - Please run sudo pacman -Rns emacs first
noto-fonts-cjk - Asian font support
okular - KDE PDF app
openssh - SSH support
pacman-contrib - I use it for the 'pactree' command, which shows a tree of dependencies for packages
partitionmanager - KDE disc utility
paru (or yay) - AUR helper
pipewire/pipewire-alsa - Audio support
reflector - Fetches and sorts the fastest Arch package mirrors
ttf-hack-nerd - My preferred font
unrar - un-.rar files
unzip - yep
uv - Python package management
wget - Download files from commandline
wine-staging - It's wine
wl-clipboard - Wayland clipboard support
zip - Why zip and unzip are separate idk
Stuff you might not want but I would recommend
atuin - Sync your terminal commands with other machines
bat - cat but better
fd - find but butter
fzf - fuzzy searcher, probably a dependency
qpwgraph - GUI to pipe audio sources into sinks
ripgrep - grep but better
zoxide - Like 'cd' but will jump based on your most used directories
That's blocking the server list (I think?), and aquo specifically said channel list
That being said I'm curious what pack that is from - skyblock is fun
lethal walrus
That's blocking the server list (I think?), and aquo specifically said channel l...
i cropped the server list, too much effort to censor
lethal walrus
~~That being said I'm curious what pack that is from - skyblock is fun~~
mainly because i want more users for https://mods.gay/sky++
devout vault
i cropped the server list, too much effort to censor
Ah. I tried to judge from the bottom corner if that was the case or if you just put a window over the entire edge, but I guess I was wrong
I've never even heard of skyblock.net
lethal walrus
server from the guy that made skyblock
devout vault
Is it like the hypixel skyblock except more true to actual skyblock
lethal walrus
it's like hypixel skyblock except 7 years older
and not an mmo
and i get paid to write code sometimes
devout vault
"and not an mmo"
so yeah, more true to actual skyblock
Though if it's from the skyblock guy that's not surprising
lethal walrus
although he did want to do an mmo it never happened
devout vault
I'm curious, but there are no screenshots on the website I see, and I'm not curious enough to log in or find a video
devout vault
...oh, the shop has actual gameplay stuff sold
lethal walrus
I'm curious, but there are no screenshots on the website I see, and I'm not curi...
basically no videos from anyone with more than 200 views aside from people talking about the trademark legal issues lol
devout vault
(I get that cosmetics isn't enough for all but the largest servers)
lethal walrus
mhm
devout vault
(But even aside from the TOS, I just don't want to play on a server that has that sort of thing)
lethal walrus
nobody actually buys the items, just the ranks and keys.. i hope
the items are obscenely overpriced
devout vault
It's not about people buying them
lethal walrus
no i know what you mean yeah
devout vault
It's about how that impacts the game design (most likely)
lethal walrus
yeah it's a challenge to do things without a rank
fair few do decent but majority, yeah
devout vault
Oh, and the ranks have gameplay stuff too? Yikes
lethal walrus
oh yep
hushed raven
Stuff you might want
```
7zip - .7z compression support
amd-ucode/intel-ucode - ...
It seems wget isn't found on pacman anymore which is a shame, unless it's an AUR package
crisp folio
It seems wget isn't found on pacman anymore which is a shame, unless it's an AUR...
Should be
Let me try and install it rq
hushed raven
404 from every mirror which is a shame
hushed raven
doesn't curl -o work like wget?
I'm very familiar with wget due to ComputerCraft mod for minecraft, I've never actually used curl -o before
lethal walrus
not sure how curl -o works with binary data tbf
crisp folio
404 from every mirror which is a shame
When's the last time you did an -Syu?
crisp folio
Arch be rolling release you should probably be fine just running -Syy tho then
Reflector is the best at maintaining your mirrors so look into that
hushed raven
Yep that made it work, weird? not entirely sure what caused that
thank you, that would've stumped me for a while for sure
Just looking into reflector, it was something I was going to make myself, good to know it already exists however, very useful!
cinder karma
Stuff you might want
```
7zip - .7z compression support
amd-ucode/intel-ucode - ...
Remind me in 4 weeks to do useful things
cinder karma
Stuff you might want
```
7zip - .7z compression support
amd-ucode/intel-ucode - ...
remind me in 28 days
crisp folio
Yep that made it work, weird? not entirely sure what caused that
Basically your local package database was out of sync with the mirrors arch mirror's update constantly and sometimes your system might thinks an old package version still exists
pacman -Syy forces pacman to throw away the old database and download a fresh one.
That’s why it fixed the 404 — the mirrors didn’t have the versions your system thought existed.
Is the tldr
cinder karma
Stuff you might want
```
7zip - .7z compression support
amd-ucode/intel-ucode - ...
remind me in 625 hours to not be a dumbass
Bot
Botto plz
hushed raven
Bot died, RIP
crisp folio
Seeing so many Linux users in this server is a surprise ngl
cinder karma
Why?
hushed raven
We all crave the pain and joy of using linux and ditching Microsoft
crisp folio
Why?
Rare I join a server and there's people who uses Linux in the server tho this a pretty big server so makes sense
devout vault
Remind me in 2 minutes to tell atra that you just hate them specifically
Okay I guess it really is dead
crisp folio
We all crave the pain and joy of using linux and ditching Microsoft
Can't learn without pain 
devout vault
Rare I join a server and there's people who uses Linux in the server tho this a ...
I mean to be fair, the linux users are pretty localized to this specific channel
crisp folio
I mean to be fair, the linux users are pretty localized to this specific channel
It is called programming off topic so checks out
devout vault
remnisces ye olde days, when the channel was called #kirby-air-riders
(yes, ~4 days ago is ye olde days now)
crisp folio
rain apex
If i had poll perms I'd poll this channel for what OS they r on
crisp folio
Feel like arch might win
rain apex
I wonder if it's 50:50 now 
crisp folio
devout vault
I mean it would need to be multiple choice
crisp folio
wait no I need a more obscure unix system
Justin Bieber
devout vault
My main computer is still windows
devout vault
wait no I need a more obscure unix system
hushed raven
Oh yes, I use Hannah Montana OS btw
fleet wren
digging deep into the meme archives I see
crisp folio
I mean it would need to be multiple choice
Don't think we can list all the distros
fleet wren
we all know the real meme distro of the modern age is Nix dont shoot me
devout vault
Well, that'd be a problem even if it wasn't multiple choice
crisp folio
Fr
crisp folio
we all know the real meme distro of the modern age is Nix ~~dont shoot me~~
According to my recent Twitter feed it's omarchy
marble jewel
Which is just an opinionated Arch
Based on the Ruby on Rails dev
Tells you everything you need to know
fleet wren
ah yeah that, I deliberately chose not to mention it but it's an even bigger meme
how tf it got 100k from cloudflare is beyond me
safe dragon
ah yeah that one is best ignored
fleet wren
other than that the suits at CF definitely was just stamping shit without looking
hushed raven
I did see someone install it and it seems a lot easier to install, albeit shipped with a decent amount of bloat
hushed raven
PWA?
crisp folio
powered web app
hushed raven
Ahhh gotcha
crisp folio
Or something like that iirc
safe dragon
progressive web app. Essentially a website but it's pretending to be an app
crisp folio
I was close enough
hushed raven
ngl I do like the idea of PWAs, I just wouldn't have one of an AI site
crisp folio
I did see someone install it and it seems a lot easier to install, albeit shippe...
6.3 GB iso
Which is bigger than windows 11 ISO
Impressive stuff really
hushed raven
that isn't fitting on any USB I have
cinder karma
I'm so ancient i recall the 700mb limit
crisp folio
safe dragon
back in the edo period
crisp folio
ngl I do like the idea of PWAs, I just wouldn't have one of an AI site
If your going use an LLM locally imo is best 
That's if you have a powerful enough PC tbf
safe dragon
imagine the size of that ISO if it shipped an actual AI model
crisp folio
hushed raven
At least another 10 gigs
crisp folio
He's going ship one that most PC can't run and make it 50 GB
cinder karma
Anyways. Yes. The Linux people hide here
Here are your complementary thigh high socks
hushed raven
I'm still waiting for mine smh, I mean I do have some already, but free stuff is the best stuff
safe dragon
I don't have any wtf
crisp folio
Here are your complementary thigh high socks
I'm afraid I was wearing thigh high socks and was a femboy long before I decided to switch to Linux
cinder karma
I mean, I'm a tax bill
hushed raven
one of the most welcome ones too
devout vault
I've never worn a thigh high sock, don't tell the other transfems
heavy daggerBOT
@lethal walrus: alias bun run to brun (17h ago)
@lethal walrus: YOLO sudo too thanks (17h ago)
hushed raven
Oh look, it's not dead
devout vault
remind me in 625 hours to not be a dumbass
remind atra in 624 hours to "not be a dumbass" (atra's words)
heavy daggerBOT
Ask me one more time and I'm going to jam a paperclip into my reset button. (#6951736) (624h | <t:1765307129>)
devout vault
Oh look, it's not dead
Remind atlas in 10 seconds to be a test dummy
heavy daggerBOT
I was JUST about to sit down for the end of the day. but FINE (#6951740) (10s | <t:1763060778>)
lethal walrus
that was easy
heavy daggerBOT
Remind atlas in 10 seconds to be a test dummy
atlas: be a test dummy (10s ago) [Requested by kittycatcasey]
devout vault
Remind @hushed raven in 10 seconds to be a test dummy again
heavy daggerBOT
Ugh I suppose, kittycatcasey (#6951742) (10s | <t:1763060819>)
devout vault
.timer remove 6951736
heavy daggerBOT
Timer removed.
heavy daggerBOT
Remind <@229986869092417536> in 10 seconds to be a test dummy again
@hushed raven: be a test dummy again (10s ago) [Requested by kittycatcasey]
devout vault
remind me in 625 hours to not be a dumbass
Remind @cinder karma in 624 hours to "not be a dumbass" (atra's words)
hushed raven
you killed it again XD
crisp folio
heavy daggerBOT
ffs fine fine i'll do it (#6951748) (624h | <t:1765307280>)
devout vault
uber is smart enough for edits 
hushed raven
Oh wow that's damn cool
devout vault
OMG WHAT
It's not new, I was just trying to avoid the ping until the reminder happened 😛
Remind atlasv1224 in 10 seconds to once again, be a test dummy
heavy daggerBOT
I was JUST about to sit down for the end of the day. but FINE (#6951753) (10s | <t:1763060932>)
heavy daggerBOT
Remind atlasv1224 in 10 seconds to once again, be a test dummy
atlasv1224: once again, be a test dummy (10s ago) [Requested by kittycatcasey]
devout vault
RIP
heavy daggerBOT
sure thing, pal (#6951755) (10s | <t:1763060998>)
heavy daggerBOT
remind \<@140231789217054721> in 10 seconds to be the new test subject
@devout vault: be the new test subject (10s ago) [Requested by atlasv1224]
hushed raven
aww shame
devout vault
remind @hushed raven in 10 seconds to be the final test dummy (unless we move to governors mansion, I guess)
heavy daggerBOT
all right kittycatcasey but next time you better bring me 20 nirnroot or i ain't doin it (#6951762) (10s | <t:1763061052>)
heavy daggerBOT
remind <@229986869092417536> in 10 seconds to be the final test dummy (unless we...
@hushed raven: be the final test dummy (unless we move to governors mansion, I guess) (10s ago) [Requested by kittycatcasey]
hushed raven
Silent messages still ping
devout vault
Wait what
hushed raven
I got pinged from both of them
devout vault
Then what the heck is the point
hushed raven
(Don't have the notif, I went too fast)
heavy daggerBOT
New quote added by atravita as #6743 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1438606234973507636)
lethal walrus
did you get a notification though
devout vault
I guess edit is still the way to go
ie.
remind @lethal walrus in 10 seconds to bring us a cat picture
heavy daggerBOT
don't you have like a cell phone or something kittycatcasey? it can do the same gosh darn thing and then I can be lazy. but okay, I'm on it. (#6951768) (10s | <t:1763061157>)
devout vault
Oh
heavy daggerBOT
remind <@718881941465596026> in 10 seconds to bring us a cat picture
@lethal walrus: bring us a cat picture (10s ago) [Requested by kittycatcasey]
cinder karma
You have a slot in my planner
devout vault
Well, get double reminded, I guess?
lethal walrus
do i have a sticker of my dear old cat that disappeared
i dont but heres someone i knows cat
prisma flume
a bumblebee 🙂↕️
cinder karma
O.o rust-cuda
Sounds funnnnnnn
(More fun than my current job, which is debugging "error in compilation")
That is the exact error message btw
No more details
devout vault
I hate those
<flashbacks to whatever that blazor or whatever unit testing stuff gave me>
Man, reddit is so boring now that half of my hopium-grade conspiracy theory subreddits are... no longer hopium grade nor conspiracy theories
(r/ValveDeckard)
cinder karma
You get a valve VR and a valve computer
devout vault
(what's left is the two hytale subreddits)
cinder karma
Tbh I cant see the valve compute being....cheaper enough
hushed raven
I guess somewhere around 800, with a greater chance of being higher
cinder karma
Yeahhhh
I was guessing $1k
My personal opinion is that I can likely do better if I'm good at scavenging
And I'm cheap as fuck lol
prisma flume
well of course, but people who have the knowledge and patience to assemble a small-form-factor lounge pc that just works aren't the target demographic
cinder karma
Hey that's 95% of the fun
fleet wren
and even then I doubt you can go as small as the Steam Machine with customer parts
equivalent power customer parts*
cinder karma
Probably not
But hey, why go with small when I can get aggressive with heat management
Everything is bigger in Texas
fleet wren
~~water cooling ~~
devout vault
Man, reddit is so boring now that half of my hopium-grade conspiracy theory subr...
"what are hopium-grade conspiracy theories?"
It's people reading into this
(guy who made blockbench)
fleet wren
there's still HL3
heavy daggerBOT
cinder karma
And r/bogleheads
heavy daggerBOT
fleet wren
idk that saga of a guy chopping chives 27 days in a row until it was perfect was fun
cinder karma
I haven't checked the stock market yet but I wouldn't be surprised if I lost multiple thousands of dollars today 😛
devout vault
idk that saga of a guy chopping chives 27 days in a row until it was perfect was...
27? It's still going
cinder karma
I liked the guy who mistook a pepper plant to be basil
devout vault
Or was yesterday at least
cinder karma
What the heck are you guys talking about
hushed raven
Hasn't it turned into a soup yet? Clearly the knife isn't sharp enough
devout vault
Some wonderful jokes have happened from it
devout vault
I can't find it on that post, hold on
hushed raven
Chives are indeed hollow
devout vault
I was incredibly confused for the first week or so I saw those flairs
fleet wren
ngl i thought chives was a regional term for green onions
cinder karma
Update....
cinder karma
I've been eating garlic chives this whole time not chives
hushed raven
Garlic chives? I have never heard of them before
Ahh they look quite nice, I'm gonna have to see if my local supermarket has them
prisma flume
i will never accept 'scallions' or 'shallots' as a term for green/spring onions
back to america with ye
cinder karma
Ngl I saw this message and then discord glitchrd
And for a second I thought bluebs banned me over that
Anyways shallots are different
hushed raven
Shallots are entirely different to free/spring onions? They're round I think?
Whoops missed your message atra
prisma flume
And for a second I thought bluebs banned me over that
would that i still had such power
cinder karma
Shallots are the rich people oniojsnomp
Onions imo
Green and spring onions are apparently different
prisma flume
shallots are french onions and i won't hear any more about it
prisma flume
fennel doesn't count as onions because onions are good
frosty echo
And chives are different from all of them
cinder karma
I'm team onion myself (I'm also very cheap)
devout vault
i will never accept 'scallions' or 'shallots' as a term for green/spring onions
Honestly whenever I hear scallion I think of seafood like clams or something. For some reason.
So it always throws me for a loop
prisma flume
well that's probably just crossing wires over scallops
devout vault
Also, since this discussion has started: onions, ewwww
cinder karma
Also who the fuck buys scallions
devout vault
(literally makes me gag - mainly for texture to be honest, but it's associated with the flavor now too)
prisma flume
which in australia generally means scalloped potatoes rather than scallops. for some reason
cinder karma
Grow them on the windowsill like god intended
devout vault
well that's probably just crossing wires over scallops
Ah, so I'm not crazy, I'm just insane
devout vault
which in australia generally means scalloped potatoes rather than scallops. for ...
wha
prisma flume
please do 🙂↕️
prisma flume
last un first aut?
cinder karma
Luffa - Wikipedia https://share.google/AiNwZQj4jfT3OTmAb
prisma flume
now that doesn't look anything *like *programming
cinder karma
Actually maybe in the future I could start a side gig in soapmaking
And sell luffa soaps to rich Americans who don't know better
cinder karma
now that doesn't look anything *like *programming
Finnnnnneeeeeeee
prisma flume
at least scallion has io in it
devout vault
actual trailer dropped https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs6fYLRfFMg
cinder karma
Day after tomorrow, right????
prisma flume
finally. some real programming
devout vault
No that's just the second demo period
devout vault
finally. some real programming
by carefully placing vehicles and destroying them, KAR is turing complete. in this essay I will
devout vault
When does it drop
Week from today
devout vault
I mean we can't even do homebrew right now
Much less emulate
Hopefully eventually though
mom said it's my turn to make hopium-grade conspiracy theories
(Also a couple other minor things, like ||time of day for city trial map?|| and ||a probably-drag-race-stadium map|| )
cinder karma
devout vault
I'm glad somebody set the record straight, or I might've had to leave my first ever youtube comment
cinder karma
I thought Kirby is a cat
devout vault
why would kirby do taxes. he isn't even an adult
bet you feel pretty stupid right now (okay I don't know what the original meme is, not editing again)
cinder karma
I had to do math to figure out if Kirby is older than I am
Given that I'm pretty sure Kirby is a small mammal....
prisma flume
why does being 33 years old make kirby an adult huh cats are adults at 1, kirby probably takes like 100 years to start thinking
devout vault
why does being 33 years old make kirby an adult huh <:SDVdemetriums:70250489623...
I mean if the law took mental maturity into account for legal age, the world would look a lot different, wouldn't it
devout vault
Given that I'm pretty sure Kirby is a small mammal....
what do you mean, kirby is the size of a truck
cinder karma
My mom is very disappointed in me all the time.
