programmers-off-topic

[devout vault]

Having kirby as the first unlock in ultimate was nice

since Kirby is the character I play exclusively

[steel kraken]

I'm pretty sure my ultimate playthrough was just solo kirby

[devout vault]

Glad he wasn't a late game one like some of the characters, or I never would've played through ultimate story mode

Also KAR2 has a unique-per-character ultimate move system just like modern smash

Also the plethora of gameplay options they've shown in the KAR2 direct, compared to smash stuff

[cinder karma]

Alright no more programming allowed

[devout vault]

wait what

thank you DH or whichever junimo made such a magnanimous (and completely justified) decision

[hardy jewel]

[viral elbow]

oh so this is what happened to programming off topic

[marble jewel]

What do you mean? This channel has always been about kirby air riders

[devout vault]

I will see you all, my fellow air riders, in… like 4 hours I guess.
(Time to build up the sleep reservoir)

[hushed raven]

the most correct name for the channel, only 12 days left to wait

(also since when did the nintendo site turn into something that looks like argos, it's so bright!)

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

(Demo starts in 15min)

[uncut seal]

would be so excited for it if I had a switch 2

unfortunately I have spent my gaming budget of the rest of the year (and the start of 2026) into Lost in Cult Design Works bundles

[devout vault]

I got a few top speed powerups it seems

[dusty pollen]

as fun as you're hoping?

[devout vault]

For a demo yeah

I wanna do the unlocks and stuff though

[lethal walrus]

Oh they actually did rename it

[devout vault]

Yeah, who knew atra's requests carried that much power?

[devout vault]

“I did some power up collecting off camera”

[safe dragon]

very good

the AUR is down oh no

[hushed raven]

Oh no, thats not good

pretty decent amount of reports too

[safe dragon]

damn new channel what dis

[devout vault]

New people joining the server: "why does a SDV server have a KAR channel"

[safe dragon]

"wtf is a kirby air riders"

[devout vault]

so uncultered, those people. smh

also a spider is hanging above me and now I can't focus

it's a spider no way am I swatting it away

[hushed raven]

what kind of spider? like the ones with legs as long as runway models or like the ones with an actually normal leg:body ratio

if it has legs for days they can get gone, I hate those, why do they need such long thin legs, if its the other one, Aww cute!

[safe dragon]

poor daddy longlegs

[hushed raven]

They are my least favorite, especially the ones that fly

[devout vault]

smol one

[hushed raven]

aww the teeny tiny ones are cute, money spiders i think they're called in the UK?

I've never looked at one upclose so I just googled "money spider", all I can say is ew

[devout vault]

wrong

[hushed raven]

Guessing you aren't a fan of them XD

[devout vault]

Mozart says good morning

they kept letting you wiggle after dying

[hushed raven]

Good morning Mozart!

[devout vault]

Oh I didn't post the picture with the mozart message

(you can see the caret)

[safe dragon]

a loud silence

[gilded ferry]

Rofl, I was very confused at the channel's name. I didn't realize it the the programming channel

[thin estuary]

What do you mean

It’s not

It’s clearly a KAR channel

[modest steppe]

KAR

[hushed raven]

-# I'm in my mum car, Brum Brum

[boreal sandal]

Why is this channel called Kirby air riders

[prisma flume]

the stardew valley developers have an unreasonable influence on the stardew valley discord

[dusty pollen]

atra and casey what have you done

[dusty pollen]

one may argue it's actually a kind of reasonable influence

[devout vault]

Hey now. Atra asked for this, not me

[prisma flume]

the programmers have an unreasonable influence over the programming channel

[hushed raven]

to much dismay I have just noticed the tagline for the channel hasn't changed, totally should be "A place for off-topic KAR chatter (i.e. stuff related to Kirby)"

[devout vault]

Hopefully one day we'll have access to switch 2 homebrew/emulation for modding. Then it can be programming

[hushed raven]

I love finding out when someone discovers a way to homebrewify nintendo consoles, it's always some of the oddest ways too

[devout vault]

The switch method was certainly unique

[hushed raven]

is that the one that only works on the first gen switches? or is there another one thats unknown to me?

[devout vault]

I think so, yeah

[hushed raven]

I think my fav one was the Wii letterbomb method, the software ones are the ones I find interesting, the hardware ones to me are less desirable due to having to physically modify the device

[devout vault]

I mean you didn't have to modify the hardware for the first gen switch method

Stick a thingy in the joycon rail, maybe also hold a button? done

I got a little premade thingy

Red is for joycon, can’t recall what the bigger one is for since I thought it read from SD

[hushed raven]

Oh I was thinking of another first gen switch method, I was thinking of the ACE method "Fusée Gelée" (has to search the name for it bc theres no chance I can remember it"

[devout vault]

That’s what this is

I think

It involved some ACE too probably

[hushed raven]

Ohhh I didn't know that required touching contacts, I thought it was just software based only

[devout vault]

But like, the point was that the joycon rail thing was that it would trigger some factory setting (hence why it couldn't be firmware patched) where an exploit was found

[hushed raven]

How do you think someone discovered that? my guess is either a leak from a worker or disassembling the console and dumping the boot file

[devout vault]

It was disassembly fromm what I remember

Well

Sorta

Disassembly software side, yeah

Can't recall if the hardware side was an accident or if it was careful examination

[lethal walrus]

Stick a thingy I the joycon rail to hold a mystery third button and rhenium hold the other Two with boring hands

Rhenium?? How did you get that from an attempt at then

[lethal walrus]

Technically it can be kinda useless programming if you want

https://bsky.app/profile/retr0.id/post/3lquqdmcomc2e

David Buchanan (@retr0.id)

-# ↩ David Buchanan (@retr0.id)
here's a framebuffer graphics demo (this has no practical purpose and I can't prove I'm not just like, playing a youtube video or something)

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[lethal walrus]

Insert something about the frogs kitkats turning the kids gay into arch users

[safe dragon]

that's how it went for me

[hushed raven]

kitkat to arch pipeline is real, it can hurt you

[safe dragon]

it will hurt you

[hushed raven]

it also has a very peticular set of skills

[rain apex]

Is kar out yet

[devout vault]

First demo period was earlier today, next will be later today

Some more tomorrow, then the same schedule next weekend

Then release on the 20th

[safe dragon]

kar release the day after oldschool runescape's first new skill release

[hushed raven]

OSRS still get's new things? wow

[safe dragon]

oh yeah osrs has like 200k concurrent players

they released a new continent this year

and now the sailing skill with essentially the entire ocean becoming traversable

[hushed raven]

oh shit thats really cool, I may have to pick it up again, I thought it only got bug fixes dispite the very extensive player base

wonder if I can play PoE and OSRS at the same time, they're both very time consuming games I wanna play

[safe dragon]

oh yeah no I play both of those but never simultaneously

that's like having 2 full time jobs next to my actual job

[hushed raven]

it really is, isn't osrs one of the few games that actually allows bots or am I miss rememebring that?

[safe dragon]

that was originally the plan when they announced osrs but then people just kept playing and more kept playing and the dev team they put on it kept growing

even just the osrs rerelease is 12 years old at this point

the first few years players were still very protective of keeping things the same at fear of it going in the wrong direction like RS3 did but eventually that shifted and they gained more trust and we actually started getting proper updates

rs3 might hopefully shed some of its worst aspects soon as they've now committed to completely removing the lootbox system and most of the pay to win shop items

[hushed raven]

I like lootboxes if they use ingame currency that can't be bought with actual money, pay to win however I hate with every inch of my soul, I'd gladly pay for a game but never pay to win

[devout vault]

everquest 2 has gone in the opposite direction

[safe dragon]

oh that was just a gambling system, you did get free rolls but in the same way gacha give you free ways to obtain them to bait you into the gambling system

[safe dragon]

[devout vault]

If you do the top tier of the next expansion preorder, you get a teleporter for your house that takes you to any of the new expansion's dungeons! (The tier is $250)

(The only other things that tier gives is tradeable real money stuff, essentially)

[safe dragon]

it's kinda necessary because at this point for rs3 to get rid of much of its MTX cause rs3 gets only like 1/10th the players of osrs and it just keeps decreasing. Their predatory monetisation model might have earned them a lot more money at first but if it eventually just kills the game...

[devout vault]

(Tradeable versions of: redeemable standard version of the expansion, character level boost, character slot, exp potions, legendary mount, legendary mercenary, character level boost but for crafting)

[safe dragon]

basically the "pay to win mmo" starter pack

[devout vault]

Oh this is just evil. An 88 slot bag for the $130 tier

(For reference, the largest craftable backpack is 64 slots)

Back when I was playing the biggest bag you could get was 66 slots, and you could only get it from the guide events I think

(guide = "official" volunteers that help people, and have tools to do custom in game events sometimes)

[safe dragon]

that definitely feels like a "try and get as much money out of this burning ship" situation

[devout vault]

Well, it's been getting worse for years

[safe dragon]

yeah that's how it goes

[devout vault]

Stat inflation (both numbers, and amount of types of stats (because they keep adding new stats to try and patch the stat inflation problems) )

Economy is laughable

They basically have official real money plat trading, since they have an item you can buy that's tradable and also redeemable for a month of access

[safe dragon]

rs3 really was the same but a combination of their other game (osrs) doing so much better now and some looming EU legislation on virtual currencies has seemingly given them enough reason to try and turn things around

[devout vault]

(Yeah this game has a monthly subscription too. I think there's free to play too, but it's pretty limited)

By "pretty limited", I mean stuff like:

• can't upgrade your spells all the way
• can't freely use the auction house equivalent
• can't freely use the mailbox
• can't freely use guilds
  etc.

"Ability to use certain equipment groups ", didn't know about that one

It's ridiculous.

[rain apex]

My take away is everquest is still alive?

[devout vault]

(And it's not nearly as limited as when it came out)

[devout vault]

Yes, though this is everquest 2

I think everquest next or whatever 3 was gonna be called got canceled years ago

[rain apex]

It feels like one of those "history of computer games" titles

[devout vault]

I mean, yeah

[rain apex]

Next to ultima online

[devout vault]

EQ1's popularity predates WOW I think

oh god, you can "level up your membership with new additional perks" nowadays

[safe dragon]

both versions of runescape have bonds which are absolutely pay to win in a sense but one people have just kinda accepted. Essentially you can buy "bonds" with real money which can be turned in for either membership or sold to another player in-game for gp. This means you can essentially buy gold but there's at least the flip side that people with enough gp to spare can sustain membership purely by buying bonds from the auction house without using real money at all

[safe dragon]

bonds + membership are essentially the only monetization method for osrs barring like... merch

meanwhile rs3 has like 3 gazillion monetization systems

they've done it all

[devout vault]

Yeah, that's how it the kronos on eq2 work.

But somehow it enabled laundering money between servers (including the "classic style" servers), somehow. OR so I've heard

(laundering in game money)

[safe dragon]

even a battle pass system which was hated so extremely that they removed it almost immediately

[devout vault]

(which meant even new servers could not escape the currency inflation)

EQ2 has a lot of stuff in the in game shop too

Like, mercenaries (hired party member NPCs, basically) have a lootbox variant with different tiers (of course)

Special designed houses that you can't get any other way

Tons of cosmetic stuff

[safe dragon]

tbh that's the norm for mmos even though it's sad

[devout vault]

Tons of not cosmetic stuff (exp potions, an insta-revive if you're alone, etc.)

[safe dragon]

osrs is a rather bizarre case study as far as succesful games go

[devout vault]

(The insta-revive really irked me when it was added because the class I played had a unique ability that did exactly that. It wasn't limited to solo, though)

(And later they also added a version that any healer could access, not just druid subclasses)

(But that also meant I had like 2-3 different abilities that did that by the time I stopped playing)

Wow, they removed deity abilities? I know they didn't do much but man, those were fun

Oh that might be different than the niche feature nobody used that I'm thinking of

Where you picked one to worship and gave offerings and got abilities based on your favor

Average max level health was over 1 billion at minimum though (As of early 2024 it seems)

Of a player, enemies had much more

I see a post from 5 years ago that says "Damage is by the trillions before luclin ends and the devs claims there are no issues" (luclin being an expansion I think)

Also, an item from around that time. Some of these things I haven't seen either

I did like how number crunchy EQ2 could be, to be honest. I like all the numbers I can make big.

But I'm not sure such high numbers of HP are good

...and keep in mind every time you inflict/receive/heal damage, a floating number pops up in world (unless you turn it off)

It might do that for other people's stuff around you, too

Kronos sell for like 50 billion plat as of early this year it seems (depending ont he server)

When my family played early on, even 2-3 plat was hard to get

They also capped how high items could be priced on the broker, so you had to do trading instead a lot of the time, I think

Also the expansions these days are much much smaller, with them used to having entire continents, but now only having like one or two overworld zones

Anyways, I'm done with the "my childhood MMO I have fond memories of playing with my entire family has become bleh" rant

[pliant snow]

hello

checks notes

air riders

who understand physical dimension diagram sheets

I have no idea what the 9-1.2 etc means in this

[devout vault]

sounds and looks spooky

[thin estuary]

⌀ usually means diameter, but geez, this whole thing is a mess

[pliant snow]

I think that's the 16, the diameter of the pins from the center

idk what the 9 is, I thought perhaps pin diameter, but 9mm is huge

oh

unless it's all 9 pins are 1.2mm...

that might be it

[dark veldt]

hmmmm do we have Casey to thank for the new channel name?

[pliant snow]

We have Sakurai to thank for this channel name

[dark veldt]

But he didn't make the change...I'm curious who did

[pliant snow]

you donno, he might have

[devout vault]

Atra asked a junimo too

[pliant snow]

but one of the deviant ones

[devout vault]

I assume this one
#programmers-off-topic message

[dark veldt]

Ah ha. Thanks, Casey!

Curiosity satiated

[cinder karma]

9mm apart. Diameter 1.2 (+/- 0.1) is what i got

[dusty pollen]

I think the weirdest part for me is the diameter of 16 seemingly not being either the major or minor diameter but instead the diameter that touches the outside of that centre hole/pin

other than that, I assume 9 pins with diameter 1.2mm lower tolerance -0.0mm and upper tolerance +0.1mm, arranged one along the minor axis 2.65mm from the centre and the other 8 at even 45degree intervals starting at 22.5degrees from the major (or minor) axis

but if that’s meant to be an ellipse we’re missing data to actually know how large it is, we need at least one other known diameter

[cinder karma]

There are eight pins though

I counted

[dusty pollen]

I think the last one is the middle one

that I was referring to

[cinder karma]

The 2,65?

[dusty pollen]

yeah, the one that’s 2.65 from the centre

[pliant snow]

I think the weirdest part for me is the diameter of 16 seemingly not being either the major or minor diameter but instead the diameter that touches the outside of that centre hole/pin
The pins are actually around the circumference of the device, there's no material that extends further

There are nine pins in total, I think it's referring to that

the eight on the outer edge, then the one in the middle off center

[dusty pollen]

no I mean that the 16mm diameter isn’t horizontal or vertical, it’s defined as bordering the inner pin

[cinder karma]

Hmm

I think that might have been just a clean place to draw that

[pliant snow]

yeah

[dusty pollen]

is it a circle or an ellipse?

[cinder karma]

What is this anyways

[pliant snow]

circular

[dusty pollen]

if it’s a circle it doesn’t matter

oh okay

[cinder karma]

Your new top hat?

[dusty pollen]

then yeah np

[pliant snow]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/2925

It doesn't have a schematic file so I have to define one myself

[cinder karma]

No footprint?

[pliant snow]

Nope, none that I could find anywhere

[sand frost]

it should be 9 holes, each with diameter 1.2mm (tolerance up to 1.3mm, no less than 1.2mm)

I assume it's a typo and it should be 8 instead of 9

[pliant snow]

Yeah, I'm going with that

I assume they mean the middle hole as the ninth

[sand frost]

(these are standard engineering formats for the most part)

yeah, i suppose the off-center one is being included

that's...kind of bad practice, but i guess if it works it works

[cinder karma]

Yeah that looks weird

Ngl

[pliant snow]

the footprint file wasn't as hard to make as I thought, assuming I did it correctly

I haven't done schematic stuff in years

[sand frost]

the 16mm is the circle that the holes lie on, very standard

[pliant snow]

Although I definitely labeled the pins wrong, I didn't notice they're actually numbered on the device itself, I'll have to fix that

[sand frost]

not sure what the major/minor diameter means here, but the 16mm is the diameter of the circle the pins lie on (drawn in red). it looks oval only because everything is super distorted in the pic

everything in the drawing indicates to me it got compressed sideways somehow

(i actually didn't even realize that was causing confusion because I'm used to nonsense like this on poorly compressed images of drawings)

[cinder karma]

Hey, i tbihght the 9 was the diameter because there were clearly 8 screws lol

In the future buy your shit from digikey and download the provided footprint

[pliant snow]

All the other stuff I got from digikey for this project, but if they had something like this I couldn't find it

I've bought stuff from adafruit in the past and like it, I only now learned that they offer no footprint or schematic files for anything

[sand frost]

digikey i feel is somewhat inconsistent in the documentation

they do usually have something from the manufacturer but sometimes it's not much

[pliant snow]

All of it is apparently just handled via a third party site it seems

[sand frost]

digikey does admittedly usually have eveything so I'm a little surprised

but it's kind of fussy to search

[lethal walrus]

noooo the name :(

[pliant snow]

I was excited to find a part that met what I wanted that I didn't think to really search elsewhere, they probably have something that could've served the same functionality

[dusty pollen]

I thought it was an ellipse, turns out it's a circle that's been squashed ellipses have a major diameter and a minor diameter

[pliant snow]

no my free money

like dust in the wind...

[rain apex]

wow kar2 is canceled

[devout vault]

how dare you

Even all the junimos together don't have that much power

It is... inevitable

of course if you told me it was inevitable a year ago I'd think you're insane

[cinder karma]

Back to progamming

[pliant snow]

I'm debating trying out crystal for AoC...

[hushed raven]

I keep forgetting to ask, what is AoC? is it the Advent of Code?

[pliant snow]

yep

[hushed raven]

I've been looking for something like this for a while, I shall defo do it this year (and probably do the previous ones too), great way to improve with C++ and C# while learning

[lethal walrus]

is crystal the python like thing

oh no its typed ruby

[pliant snow]

yeah, Nim is the python-like one, crystal is modeled after ruby

[hushed raven]

wow, didn't even get a change for the scam images to load

[final trail]

Hello World, i can't remember what a tool for access c# private field & method & class
anybody know that?

[thin estuary]

You mean… reflection API?

[final trail]

not yet

i can't remember them, it likely Fody? im not sure

InternalsVisibleToAttribute?

[thin estuary]

Publicizer?

[final trail]

Oh wait

Oh yes that correct, thanks you haha👍

[safe dragon]

ah the the cursed tools

[pliant snow]

Maybe I won't use crystal, how are their tools even worse than Nim's

[hushed raven]

Oh I'm certainly intregued by it now XD

[pliant snow]

There's no treesitter config at all in the neovim repositories, and I couldn't get their LSP to load

I could try ruby I guess

It's the same syntax more or less, why not

[uncut seal]

maybe my challenge for AoC this year would be to do it with neovim

I have it setup since spring but barely used it

I should also do C++, but I'd have to lookup how to compile it properly again

[hushed raven]

I've been tempted to try neovim but honestly I've been a tad scared of it, it looks so simple yet so complicated at the same time

[safe dragon]

I'll be using helix but I also use that at work so not a challenge

no idea what language yet tho

tooling is often what makes me end up deciding against a language

if I try to use the language and there's no autocomplete or the results make very little sense I'm just kinda done with it

or often ther lsp just doesn't report either any errors or almost none

[cinder karma]

Lol

[safe dragon]

that lol to me feels loaded with "you wouldn't like verilog"

[cinder karma]

Lol

[safe dragon]

that one's loaded with pain

I haven't tried Zig yet, I'm hoping it has a good LSP experience

[cinder karma]

Lol

[safe dragon]

other than zig I might just go for Gleam or something

[cinder karma]

Mayhe I should do something stupid

[safe dragon]

well that's exciting

[hushed raven]

I really wanna try do AoC with some of the meme languages, thinking either brainfuck or the image one, the real question is how much do I hate myself?

[cinder karma]

Lol

[safe dragon]

I'd definitely not do all days of AoC with one of those...

but I've done it for day 1

with uiua

which doesn't consider itself a meme language but I do

[cinder karma]

Babe, just be hardcore

😛

(I kid I kid I'm between zig and ocaml)

Or what about Haskell...

[hushed raven]

oh good lord what on earth is that language, I hate it, I have no idea how I'd even begin to write it

[safe dragon]

I've already done a full year in haskell

so not doing that again

[cinder karma]

I feel like I want to use aoc to explore a language i dont get to hse in my day to day

[hushed raven]

Haskell is a new one to me, might be worth a challenge

[cinder karma]

But isnt some obscure mess I have no reason to learn

[hushed raven]

That's what I'm using it for, using Python, Lua, or JS just feels like a wasted opportunity to me

[safe dragon]

haskell wasn't new to me, I'd built a compiler in it before for uni

that definitely helped

[cinder karma]

Haskell isnt new to me either

But I haven't used it much

[pliant snow]

I looked at Zig, then I looked at Zig's string handling and decided against it

[safe dragon]

uh oh

is it a curse of systems programming languages

string handling

oh... zig doesn't have a string type

it's just a byte array

that is a great way to break everything the moment you deal with multibyte characters

[cinder karma]

Like AoC requires you to ever deal with multibyte

[pliant snow]

I saw something about manually allocating memory and decided to bounce

[safe dragon]

it do be a manual memory management language

[safe dragon]

it doesn't but that doesn't mean I like it...

[devout vault]

Should I try doing AoC this year, I haven’t in a while, I think

The real flex is to use November to make a programming language, then use that language for AoC

Clearly, I should do AoC in SDV 1.7 alpha trigger actions

[pliant snow]

there's only 12 puzzles this year

actually idk what date it starts on now

[hushed raven]

I think I read it still starts on the 1st but its every other day

unless I totally mis read which is likely

[devout vault]

WHAT

That’s just wrong

[thin estuary]

I thought it’s as normal every day, just ends early

[devout vault]

What is the world coming to

[pliant snow]

the leaderboard is also being removed

[safe dragon]

yeah it just ends early I believe

[pliant snow]

because it was kinda pointless

[safe dragon]

bye leaderboard

[devout vault]

At least with generative AI nowadays, I sssume?

What about private leaderboards, will those still exist?

[safe dragon]

they will

[hushed raven]

programming-off-topic leader board anyone?

[devout vault]

Sounds to me like another entry under “yet another thing LLMs have ruined”

What time does AoC release again?

[safe dragon]

simply due to timezone reasons I don't tend to do well on leaderboards...

[devout vault]

Ah, midnight in my timezone

Yeah I’ll need to be asleep or in bed at least by then

[hushed raven]

Oh is it not program completion time? or like least "words"?

[pliant snow]

europe has one of the best timezones what do you mean

[devout vault]

I mean they can’t verify program time

[hushed raven]

good point

[cinder karma]

No it's literally from the minute it releases

[devout vault]

This isn’t the ICPC

[cinder karma]

So

Anyways

[hushed raven]

Ahhh I see why the leaderboard didn't have much of a use then

[pliant snow]

the puzzles always come out literally as I'm lying down to go to bed, so I don't get to them until like 7 hours

[cinder karma]

Casey programming language when

[devout vault]

“Advent of code, but it measures runtime from compiled to WASM” when

[safe dragon]

if I was someone who jumped out of bed at 6 am to excitedly do advent of code before work... maybe

[devout vault]

When she can figure out when she would want one to look like

(And can focus on a single thing long enough for that to happen)

[safe dragon]

in reality I don't end up doing AoC days till I get home some time after dinner

I can barely get myself out of bed for work I ain't getting up even earlier for AoC

the ideal timezone for AoC is the eastern timezones

[cinder karma]

Lol

[hushed raven]

if I even attempted to do it quickly I'd get so frustrated for sure, no way I'd do it first thing when I wake up, people like that are scary

[cinder karma]

I mean, I have no hope of leaderboard

I'm not going to stay up for it

Anyways

Zig seems super fun

Go too

If I had an 🍎 I would consider Swift

Aquo you should do n64 assembly

[hushed raven]

Go has taken my fancy more and more, that's another one I might try and learn to use for AoC

[safe dragon]

I like go less the more I learn about it

🙏

[devout vault]

Isn’t that how it is with all programming languages
(Except <insert the reader’s favorite>, of course)

[safe dragon]

other than rust yes

[devout vault]

How about one of you do AoC with this.

https://www.nintendo.com/us/store/products/game-builder-garage-switch/?srsltid=AfmBOopRUpAdlWxbhcyxM_WNkB4pfkv-hDVfSRnRgPUHHS8lYb5I1Y9f

[hushed raven]

if I had a switch I might've done it

[safe dragon]

the clash between me wanting a language that tries niche new things and wanting a language with very well made mature tooling

[dusty pollen]

do it on scratch!

[cinder karma]

🦀

🦀 overtakes all

Do i look like the type of person who actually owns anything from nintendo

Lol

[safe dragon]

I'm kind of intrigued by the "parallel programming" languages, as in languages where you "just" write your program and the compiler figures out how to run your algorithm in parallel

what if I do AoC in Futhark

https://futhark-lang.org/index.html

[hushed raven]

The Futhark compiler generates code that can be easily integrated with non-Futhark code.
Very interested in this point for sure

[devout vault]

That’s too powerful. Haven’t you see scratch discount OS and scratch discount Minecraft?

[cinder karma]

What about Julia

[devout vault]

I’ve heard this is sort of one of the goals for Verse (something Epic Games is/was trying to do for Fortnite user generated content, and in theory was gonna be part of unreal engine eventually too, I think. Haven’t heard about it in a while though)

[safe dragon]

I tried Julia many years ago and it's interesting but the language just felt very... not intended for me

I don't want your fuckin repl

give me a compiler

[devout vault]

I definitely have heard Julia be talked about in this channel before

[safe dragon]

I wanna write programs

the only repl I use is python's to act as a calculator cause I haven't installed a calculator program on this pc

I understand repls are very useful to people in data science but that's not me

[hushed raven]

repls are nice for testing small things imo, I am not a fan of them for anything more than just a couple lines, they feel too clunky for my liking, whether that's just due to lack of experience with them or not idk

[safe dragon]

might legit do it in Futhark

[cinder karma]

You should do it in x86

[safe dragon]

although I expect there is no lsp

futhark is the worst language for doing it in x86... it tries to compile to the gpu

[final trail]

Hello, i have question
why this game we use Save Serializer with XmlSerializer, not binary or json or other framework?

i know we can't move XmlSerializer to another framework because it very big task

But in terms of feasibility, which frameworks could be used as a replacement for XmlSerializer and are faster?
*ai translator

[safe dragon]

I assume this is about stardew valley modding in which case you should ask in #making-mods-general

[pliant snow]

Me: Hmmm is Ruby too old fashioned of a language to use
Crumble: I'm going to use elder runes this year, although I can only compile it while under the full moon

[safe dragon]

thankfully, unlike uiua, futhark is actually written in regular alphanumeric characters and not the actual futhark script

[pliant snow]

disappointing

[safe dragon]

there is no lsp whatsoever for futhark as far as I can tell

exciting

at least it can't freeze my pc like Odin's did then

[pliant snow]

AoC Day 0: Create the LSP for the language you're using

Nim's LSP would continue to run after neovim closed, somehow, and I always had to remember to kill it

[safe dragon]

honestly I'd probably try Nim if I didn't know you already used it a few times for AoC. Now it's not weird or niche enough

[pliant snow]

I love Nim

if only its tooling wasn't kinda jank

[dusty pollen]

that’s probably scratch 2. I’m saying do it in scratch 1.

I wonder if now that I have a little more cs knowledge than when I was 14 (though is it by much? who’s to say) I could actually implement a proper quicksort in scratch 1

[safe dragon]

so glad I learnt how to implement quick sort in uni. I've had to do that at least once every day since

very useful

[pliant snow]

h-have you?

[safe dragon]

absolutely!

my whole work day is just writing sorting algorithms and inverting binary trees

futhark was written in haskell

honestly instead of furthak I might just be a coward and try out rust-gpu instead

aka just write rust code but have it compile to the gpu

not as fun tho

[cinder karma]

Ooh!

[devout vault]

didn't I make a very similar joke earlier saying to use november for making the programming language you'll use for AoC

[devout vault]

I didn't even have to check the list to know it was atra who did the 👀 react here

Sharing this here too because it's too funny looking

"sub-freezing temperatures are expected"
Ah, these temperatures must be in kelvin. I should've known.

[cinder karma]

I'm sorry

Find you someone who loves you like atra loves Rust

[devout vault]

😔

(But also, why are you apologizing. It's fine. as long as you're okay with getting sprayed by my crab repellant)

(the crab repellant doesn't seem to be working very well)

[fleet wren]

is crab repellant just garlic butter spray

I may be very hungry

[devout vault]

Nah, it's a chemical that keeps things from rusting

Obviously

And yet everything is still rusting over 😔

[devout vault]

I must've been scammed and given this instead

[fleet wren]

clearly you must eat the crabs, not merely repel them

[devout vault]

never

[cinder karma]

When am I invited over for pho

[prisma flume]

does garlic butter not keep things from rusting

i must've been scammed. and my house so fragrant

[dusty pollen]

I downloaded the demo and wow I hate how this game "teaches"

you can't experiment, and by that I mean you can't so much as pick the exact position or colour of your objects. it's literally just "set this up exactly with these parameters. now set that other thing exactly with those parameters."

[devout vault]

Heavy handed tutorials 😔

(I never actually tried it myself)

[steel kraken]

AOC was 4pm for me it was pretty great

[devout vault]

The concept seemed great, but the little I saw of it made it seem much too simple

(For my interests, anyways)

[dusty pollen]

and it's a way too high level of abstraction - you tie a button to "jump" and it immediately enables a jump with gravity deceleration and wall bounce

[devout vault]

I think that could be fine, if you had some way of deconstructing it to see what makes it happen, and customize it

[dusty pollen]

and I don't think the concepts it teaches are even that transferable, even to other educational nocode platforms!

[devout vault]

Huh, really? (Like I said, never actually tried it)

[dusty pollen]

you do not in the place in the lessons I am right now

[devout vault]

Didn't mean to imply you could. Just meant that I could see that being useful... in a different program's hands

[dusty pollen]

yeah, it's weird. I just hate badly implemented educational stuff tbh

[dusty pollen]

oh yeah I was just clarifying since you never played it haha

[devout vault]

I wouldn't expect that from nintendo, that's for sure

[devout vault]

Yeah, people could be interested in something, try a bad learning tool, and be turned off from learning it from that experience

[dusty pollen]

it's very paint by numbers, basically. a visual novel with a learn to program story theme

god I also hate this design decision

[dusty pollen]

for some reason, the canvas the nodes are on also represents the physical space of the level. so you position things on it according to where they need to be at the start of the level... but then you have to also put all the behaviour stuff on it?

and you have to scale physical things according to their actual scale

which all means you can't position things based on where it's logical to put them for their connectors...

[cinder karma]

Should I move to Australia

[dusty pollen]

why did attempting to share a video just crash my switch...

[devout vault]

It's the new feature to make you upgrade to a switch 2!

[dusty pollen]

just so we're clear, you cannot press any button except the highlighted one and you cannot progress unless you snap the object to the blue frame

[safe dragon]

experimentation is not part of game creation

do exactly what is wanted

[devout vault]

Everyone knows you have to stick rigidly to the game design document

No deviation allowed from the initial draft

[safe dragon]

unless it's to add more monetization strategies

[devout vault]

You say that as if they wouldn't have baked monetization into the entire game's design

[dusty pollen]

you say that as if the monetisation isn't the design itself

modern games are just monetisation strategies with particle effects

[steel kraken]

Sure but keep in mind it'll also be summer

[safe dragon]

no it's for when some other company figured out some new manipulative method of making more money so you retrofit it into all your ongoing projects

no one had done it yet when the design document was made

you need to adapt

[devout vault]

Ah

I mean, that's post-release, so it doesn't count

(I know that was a funny joke, pretending these games are done on release /s)

[dusty pollen]

it could be pre release

[safe dragon]

before release, just late during development...

[dusty pollen]

three years of development hell

[safe dragon]

the devs think they're done and then a higher up says it needs to be live service

but it was a puzzle platformer

[prisma flume]

so grateful when battlefield 6 launched and it was just a game

and then 2 weeks later it's now battlefield six Season 1 with an ingame store and battle pass and currencies and daily challenges and weekly xp and battle royale

[dusty pollen]

"how long will it take to make it a battle royale? a month?"
"sir it's a single player non action cozy game"
"two months?"

[devout vault]

Metroid prime 3 was released before gta 5 was even announced.

But GTA 6 but delayed again, so I guess it balances out unless metroid prime 4 gets delayed too

[devout vault]

Oh, that's easy. Make a random level generator, but don't publish it - instead, use it for your dripfeed of live service levels

[dusty pollen]

tbh we're all being delusional. now they're just going to ask chatgpt to make it a battle royale and then blame the devs when it breaks

[safe dragon]

actually u gotta use claude code not chatgpt

[devout vault]

we're all being delusional
You say that as if that isn't my default state of mind

[dusty pollen]

"that's easy" says the person who knows first hand that even small non competitive multiplayer isn't easy

[prisma flume]

i can't believe you're not using copilot to assist you while cursor generates your battle royale mode

[devout vault]

Only partially correct.

How many AAA games are made by one person? Sure, AI codegen is like a 100x engineer, but that's not enough.

Use multiple LLMs - one per department

[devout vault]

I responded to Crumble not you 😛

[dusty pollen]

I'm aware

[safe dragon]

all game dev is easy

[dusty pollen]

I just find the idea of server maintenance being easy funny

[devout vault]

However, that's easy too.

The multiplayer has solo matchmaking only, not playing with friends. (Secretly, it's using LLM hallucinations to its advantage by hallucinating the other players)

[devout vault]

I looked at w4 games's cloud service recently out of curiousity to see if they had a cheap plan for casey shenanigans, but the only pricing for that is "contact us", so I'm going to assume not

[dusty pollen]

it works by sending an llm query asking "what's the other player doing right now? format it as this json"

the server costs are astronomical and lag is off the roof but hey they saved on dev salaries

[devout vault]

also, to be fair, it is easy if you don't care about silly things like latency or cheat prevention

just like multithreading is easy if you don't care about silly things like race conditions

[dusty pollen]

dreamworld who

you should look that up if you aren't familiar

it was a whole thing. the initial promise was multiplayer that could support a million players on one server

[devout vault]

The AI company made a deal with them for cheaper prices. It still costs a lot, but they're getting tax cuts for "innovation" so who cares about the environment or whatever. It'll boost both company stock prices thanks to marketing buzzwords groundbreaking AI innovation

(the second result is an mmo, which I assume is the one you meant)

[prisma flume]

truly i expect that we can provide our shareholders an ambient and multimodal experience

[dusty pollen]

eventually they get sued because for some reason the ai response is statistically likely to make the other player draw hate symbols with their movements

[devout vault]

I thought you meant dreamworld for a second

And was like "wait did they actually do AI player hallucination?"

[dusty pollen]

(apparently it's now halfway decent, but in the early days it was... not. their initial implementation of this magic server was a peer to peer system with no server side validation and which allowed arbitrary player-loaded textures to be synced to other players)

[safe dragon]

I 'member dreamworld

[devout vault]

Oh that sounds fun

[dusty pollen]

oh, player loaded models, not textures

[safe dragon]

I mean that game was intended to be a scam from the start, the rest was just making enough mmo to not be sued and lose

[devout vault]

At first glance, Dreamworld sounds like the VR MMO that like 80% of the VR MMO webtoon series I'm following has.

So, in other words, fiction

[dusty pollen]

apparently even their detractors are kind of okay with the current state of the game? which is shocking

[steel kraken]

dreamworld the theme park is also halfway decent

[safe dragon]

god the Dreamworld mmo website is such a "this was only designed for mobile devices" site

[devout vault]

The steam screenshots are hilarious

[prisma flume]

that's most websites 🙂‍↕️

[devout vault]

I don't think that's how you swing a pickaxe

[safe dragon]

it is if you're not lame

[devout vault]

And what is with this lighting? It looks like someone's first graphics rendering project.

Like, almost-daytime ambient light, but also the lamps are actually doing something????

[safe dragon]

it probably was

it's almost impressive to make unreal engine look like that

[devout vault]

There are, like, 2-3 biomes here?????

If you're gonna advertise that feature, show a huge overarching view with a couple dozen

Or a collage or something

"hey guys I just started trying to implement terrain modification, look at this hole I made!"

Honestly, this whole thing looks like it'd meant to showcase the feature's of an asset store plugin

[dusty pollen]

oh right. the swing animation is a default sword swing animation they either bought or stole from the unreal asset store

[devout vault]

Not a final polished product

[devout vault]

Ah. That explains... what I just said

[dusty pollen]

it kind of is

[devout vault]

It's "making features to fill a marketing checklist"

[dusty pollen]

almost everything is an asset flip and allegedly all the assets are stolen

[cinder karma]

I found a wasp nest

[devout vault]

Probably a better quality than this game to be honest

[safe dragon]

it's not even marketing. Just making enough game to not be sued

[devout vault]

A procedural sandbox world sounds like how Everquest Next was supposed to be

[safe dragon]

drip feed stuff claiming you're doing something

[devout vault]

And guess what? That got cancelled

Because they couldn't make it good

[dusty pollen]

oh yeah we forgot the part where it was crowdfunded casey

[safe dragon]

landmark?

[devout vault]

Ah

[safe dragon]

I actually tried Landmark I think

[devout vault]

...that sounds familiar, so maybe?

[dusty pollen]

and billed as "the last game you'll ever play" and all that

[devout vault]

Wait did they actually let people play it? I thought it never got further than super closed early versions

[safe dragon]

The original purpose for EverQuest Next Landmark was mainly as a player content creation tool for EverQuest Next.

everquest next? no

the sandbox? yeah

[devout vault]

"the last game I'll ever play" because this game was so bad that it's mere existence shattered the idea of games could be fun for me

[safe dragon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmark_(video_game)

[devout vault]

Ah, okay. That sounds more like what I heard, then

[safe dragon]

it actually released

[devout vault]

Oh, huh

[safe dragon]

and then shut down

[devout vault]

Dreamworld's "all players, one server" GIF has less players than a hypixel lobby. One from before they even broke 10k players on at once

"TEXT-TO-3D OBJECT CREATION"
<gif of creating a painting of abraham lincoln>

...does america exist in this sandbox world?

(I get that's not the point, it's just funny)

[safe dragon]

lincoln is a founding father of the dream world

[devout vault]

Was lincoln the first ever person to have a dream

[safe dragon]

no that's martin luther king at the lincoln memorial

[devout vault]

Ah

Hmm

Dang, the bible lied to me.

Could've sworn it said something about people having had dreams in there

[rain apex]

i remember playing lord of the rings online

it was pretty good for free but ultimately i was too frighten of socializing

[devout vault]

mood

(especially back when I was the age when I actually played an MMO much)

[safe dragon]

me playin runescape rn on my other monitor

[rain apex]

wow it's still alive

[safe dragon]

osrs reached peak player counts recently ye

new skill release on the 19th, first one since osrs started

[rain apex]

no i mean, lord of the rings online is still alive

[safe dragon]

oh

yes

[devout vault]

wha

[safe dragon]

that one's also still alive

defintely not getting peak player counts tho

[steel kraken]

sailing is coming (after being a meme for 20 years) and the oceans are now alive with content

[safe dragon]

I'm pretty excited

[devout vault]

Oh, I think crumble mentioned that

Didn't realize it was a skill

[safe dragon]

smh don't discredit sailors

[steel kraken]

tbh sailing is actually only like a 1/3 of the update, all the other content being added at the same time to make the oceans not be empty is really what makes the update so massive.

That and sailing as a skill is already more feature rich than half the other skills

[safe dragon]

yeah sailing is neat but just the entire ocean now being full of things and a ton of new places is the main attraction for me

[steel kraken]

the new fishing, farming, herblore and cooking is exciting

[safe dragon]

and the new boss pet affectionally called scrungly by the dev team (Gull)

[rain apex]

can u fish on a boat

[devout vault]

Part of me wants to say "most of the ocean (surface) IRL is empty if you ignore pollution"

Just like space

[steel kraken]

there is deep sea trawling I think is what the sail fishing is called

[devout vault]

But that's not a good argument when it comes to video games, I know

[safe dragon]

yeah there's deep sea trawling

[safe dragon]

also some new coastline fishing thing

[rain apex]

wow

[safe dragon]

lantern fishing yeah

[rain apex]

when did they add outlines

[safe dragon]

that's art not rendered

[steel kraken]

this is artist impressions, not ingame graphics

[safe dragon]

presumably made by gentletractor

[devout vault]

Part of me wants to make a post-apocalyptic game that takes place in a single (large) city filled to the brim with content, but is a wasteland outside of it. Which you can go to and explore very far if you want, but there's literally nothing there, and literally every person and book and such in game will tell you.

Just because I'm curious how many people would complain about the post-apocalyptic wastelands that everything ingame tells you is empty is, in fact, empty

[rain apex]

well i think waste lands r more cool than city usually

[devout vault]

Oh, by wastelands, I don't mean in a cool sense

It's an endless expanse of brown flatness

Literally, nothing except very slight changes in elevation

[rain apex]

i think cyberpunk (ttg) do say the outside of city is empty wasteland and thats probably why u dont rly go there

[devout vault]

And after reaching a threshold of complaints, add a single blade of grass somewhere far in the distance

[devout vault]

But I want to let people go there, but make it very clear there's no reason to.

And see how many people complain when they do so and there's no reason to

[lyric bloom]

So.. you want your first mods to be adding things to the wastelands?

[devout vault]

Well, SDV modding does have a problem in that there's nowhere to put new modded places you want to add....

[cinder karma]

Smh no one has taken this one random tile in thr saloon yet

[rain apex]

i feel like there was a game where if you go out of bounds

the game starts looping the environment

and once u turn around u didnt move much at all

there's also case like subnautica where there's a big ol nothingness full of wurms out of bounds

[devout vault]

Making it kill you just means someone will mod in a way to survive

And then to kill what's killing you

[cinder karma]

Was it super Mario

[devout vault]

And then supress what's killing you from even approaching you

[rain apex]

i mean ppl build houses out of bounds in subnautica

[devout vault]

And then form a civilization in the death zone

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/kpk2tdsPh0A?si=hCoorT-T9-czJht6

[rain apex]

the ghost leviathan aquarium

[devout vault]

Is this from the parallel dimensions guy

Oh, yes it is

Oh, it's a nine year old video, might've been the one I saw before

[cinder karma]

How is KAR

[rain apex]

ourdated..

[cinder karma]

How do video game demos work anyways

[devout vault]

Demo for the weekend is over

[cinder karma]

How do demos become...over....

[devout vault]

Strip out most of the content but leave in some of the core stuff

[cinder karma]

Sleepy

[rain apex]

did u see the invisible walls one too atra

[devout vault]

In theory, anyways

[rain apex]

that was cool too

[cinder karma]

It was!

[devout vault]

some devs just make in inaccessible, but then people use a mod to access the full content

[cinder karma]

I did see invisible walls

I know way too much about a game I've never played and never wkll play

[rain apex]

idk if any mod uses it

but skyrim has low lod terrain for cyrodill iirc

[cinder karma]

What's skyrim

[safe dragon]

he upsets me

his name is a dutch word but he's not dutch and insists on a different pronunciation than it should have

I also think he's incredible and love his stuff

[rain apex]

what does it mean in dutch

[safe dragon]

pancake

[devout vault]

It's a synonym for the horizon (/s)

[cinder karma]

Ah

So playing Skyrim = touching grass

I met three wasps today

[devout vault]

Did he know it was a dutch word before he picked it?

I could totally believe someone could make a nonsense name/word and it turn out to be an actual word in a language they don't know

[safe dragon]

I'm imagining like a formal meeting with 3 wasps

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6733 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1437217219040776192)

[cinder karma]

There was a book i loved as a kid that had those pancakes in it

[devout vault]

I'm imagining it like you saw one on a walk and you stopped and said hi and gave it attention

[rain apex]

playing skyrim is mostly touching snow and 45 degree cliffs with horse

[devout vault]

Like when someone says they met three cats on a walk

[cinder karma]

In hindsight I don't know why my parents let me read that book

[safe dragon]

fairly certain he knew yes

[devout vault]

I have never used a horse in skyrim

And I have 245 hours between oldrim, special edition, and VR

(VR is only like 5 hours)

I've also never completed the main story questline, as is tradition

[safe dragon]

how uninteresting is this main story for no one to bother finishing it

[cinder karma]

The major themes were adultery and euthanasia

[devout vault]

It's not that it's uninteresting

It's the "gotta do all the side content first"

Like how when you explore a dungeon and go too far in one direction, you backtrack and go the other routes first

To make sure you don't miss anything

[rain apex]

wow but i love hors

[cinder karma]

I still don't know what Skyrim is

[safe dragon]

game

[devout vault]

but to be honest I don't think many people play skyrim for the story

I've also never completed any of the DLC questlines

[steel kraken]

horses are important in skyrim because they can climb an 89degree incline hill

[devout vault]

• Got like halfway through dawnguard once
• Never went to solstheim or whatever it is
• never built a house

[rain apex]

nordic horses r built different

[safe dragon]

I never really enjoyed skyrim. I tried it cause my sister bought it but much like her I couldn't get into it at all

[cinder karma]

Hmm

[devout vault]

The past few times I played, I probably spent more time picking mods than playing, as is tradition

[rain apex]

i like skyrim generally but i think it's too scatterbrained story wise even for this kinda game

[rain apex]

but i do have a vague outline in my head for what my dragonborn did

which is become elder scroll yog sothoth's henchmen

[devout vault]

I’m also not sure I’ve done many of the base game questlines either

I did the thieves guild, never got far in the magic college or dark brotherhood or the companions

[rain apex]

what do u do in the game then

[devout vault]

Good question

[rain apex]

just faff about ?

[devout vault]

Probably

[rain apex]

or like play modded content

faff about is fun

[devout vault]

Many iterations of “set up fun mods, play for like 5-10 hours, get distracted by another shiny game”

Okay apparently I did build a house

But it was so long ago I don’t remember it

[terse galleon]

i have like 500 hours in skyrim and i've never gotten farther in the main questline than the attack on windhelm

it took me 400 hours to even go to the top of the mountain to see the guys (gray wardens?)

[rain apex]

in most games i usually rush main quest until it feels like all the core systems are unlocked

then i faff about

[devout vault]

A few plsythroughs ago I actually did some of the graybeard stuff beyond meeting them

And was baffled by there being shout stuff I missed out on before

[rain apex]

did they have stuff

[devout vault]

Like whatever the meditation stuff was

(Assuming that wasn’t a mod?)

[rain apex]

i thought they just sent u on word wall hunts

[devout vault]

Also what the heck how did I qualify for fancy role color

[terse galleon]

yappin

[devout vault]

I only ever talk here and nowadays sometimes in making mods general

Surely there are people more qualified

[cinder karma]

You get the fancy trans rainbow!

It suits you

[devout vault]

But there’s orange

[safe dragon]

pro yapper

[devout vault]

That too

But assuming it wasn’t a mod, there was something involving a meditation where you needed to last as long as possible without dying (while not seeing your healthbar)

[rain apex]

i feel like thats a mod

no idea tho hrm

https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/28269 ?

[devout vault]

This unlocked shouts if I remember right

But it could be

I don't remember how many playthroughs ago it was, but it wasn't recent

If it was before I started using wabbajack rather than making modlists myself, then probably not. Since I didn't recall installing any greybeard focused mods

...or shout focused mods

Only shout mods I can think of having installed myself are ones that let you turn shouts into perk points

(Coupled with a mod that makes dragons spawn more often, of course)

I installed a skyrim VR modpack recently to try, but never actually started playing

I made a character and was learning controls in the cell of whatever alternate start mod was being used

But never actually started playing

suddenly wants to play skyrim...

[safe dragon]

replace all thoughts with KAR

[devout vault]

Demo is over

(Until next weekend)

[prisma flume]

amusing that if you go by the server roles, 'talks too much' is more important than 'helped make stardew valley'

see in my mind i spend too much time here, but looking at the leaderboard i'm barely even in the top 100 for the whole month

[steel kraken]

I only live in the modding channels (and my semi secret threads) so getting the high ranks is near impossible

will eventually get local legend role maybe but might take another 6 years if past predicts the future

[devout vault]

...same here?

But I've also been here since the stone age, so

[prisma flume]

well yes but you do have maybe 3 threads lol

an excellent opportunity for xp

[devout vault]

I mean, those are all within the past month or two

I was on the alltime leaderboard before the past month or two 😛

[prisma flume]

ah true, i mostly meant for the shiny temp role

which is also only from the last month or two 🙂‍↕️

[steel kraken]

oh I'm somehow #18 for weekly leaderboard wow

but that might be due to it resetting like 30min ago

[devout vault]

Hmm

There should be a "last week" leaderboard for comparison purposes

[steel kraken]

yeah it reset 30min ago, only 33 people are even in the leaderboard with presumably a minimum 10xp cutoff

[prisma flume]

imo the fact that we already have 3 leaderboards is bewildering lol

[devout vault]

There used to be an entirely different leaderboard

The badges leaderboard

Pepperridge farm remembers

[red crest]

i was confused what the hell y'all were talking about till I switched to mobile and Casey's name color actually updated

[prisma flume]

utterly wildered

badges may have been the most useless feature in known history

finally. i have unlocked Lewis B. my life can go on

[red crest]

how could it be useless if it triggers the dopamine factories in my brain that respond to collecting things that are part of a set

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6735 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1437235845860954133)

[devout vault]

discord developers: "hold my beer"

[hardy jewel]

if you want another leaderboard you'll have to bug aquo yourselves 😌

[rain apex]

How can u view leader board

[devout vault]

(unrelated)
Me: "how hard could updating this be"
Me, checking the filesize of Implementation.cs since it took a minute to open: "oh" (23.5 MB)
Me, after it finally opened in VSCode and seeing the line count: "oh" (560k lines. yes, k, as in thousands)

I hope to yoba that this person autogenerated most of this

[steel kraken]

0.o

[devout vault]

The "how hard could updating this be" was me wondering why the old skyrim .Net Script Framework never got updated for AE or beyond

[steel kraken]

is this going to be a case of ILSpy decompiling makes it a better experience?

[devout vault]

Uh, well

It's a .net scripting thing for a C++ game

[steel kraken]

or is it genuinely 560k in a single class or whatever

[devout vault]

The source code is in a zip on the nexus page

When the source for a mod that includes no assets is that large, be afraid. Be very afraid

[devout vault]

It's multiple classes. I think it was managed mappings of various C++ types

The naming convention makes me think it might've been autogenerated

[steel kraken]

so ILSpy decompile would at least file split it again

[devout vault]

But hard to say for sure, since they didn't include that

Hmm. Perhaps

But the point is more "this thing has at least 560k lines of code", not it all being in one file

(specifically because the question was about updating it)

[pliant snow]

LOL

you winning top 10 most active users this week as the channel was renamed amused me greatly

[steel kraken]

anything not using the magic address library thing I think didn't survive the various AE+ updates

and even address library did a hard split for AE+

[devout vault]

Yeah, I was more wondering why the framework had never been picked up by anyone else, since a fair few mods used it from what I recalled

[lethal walrus]

https://stardew.chat
One of the buttons there

[rain apex]

yay im lower

[devout vault]

Also, apparently you are higher than me on the all-time leaderboard

[steel kraken]

oh inteeresting, the author of netframework was the same author as the address libary

[hardy jewel]

I've never even seen this page before

you can just do /lb for the easy route

[pliant snow]

wow we worked so hard

[cinder karma]

And got so far

But in the end, did it even really matter.....

[safe dragon]

fake mod

[hushed raven]

Ah yes, I love using python to reads notes mansage data, sciendelss, and show idea

Oh and write scripts twice XD

[dusty pollen]

oh my friend and I found an amazing one of these right before chatgpt got popular enough to blame, it was a comparison between python and c that included details like how python is faster but c is easier to write

[hushed raven]

No idea what you're talking about, that is entirely true without a shadow of a doubt, C is an easy language because it's interpreted /s

I do love stumbling across infographics like this, they always make me giggle given the utter codswollop they have on them

[safe dragon]

idk if I'd let python write scripts I don't trust that guy

[dusty pollen]

my favourite thing to do with python is Tarm Prongs 😌

some of these are real words I'm just not sure what they mean

Try IData?

[austere comet]

try IData is giving me the middle finger so i'd rather not find out what it means by that

[prisma flume]

ah the famous square-curly brace we use to Write Scripts

i guess it's kind of correct using the classic drive/database icon for Make Websites but i cant even begin to understand why it's using the android for Analyze Tasks

[hushed raven]

Show idea being that mess of orange and not a light bulb like one of the write script is baffling to me, lightbulbs are always for ideas

[dusty pollen]

Sciendelss being a cog with a pentagon in the middle is like the only logical one!

[hushed raven]

It is until you realise that cog wouldn't actually work bc theres nowhere for the shaft to go bc the bore is taken up by the pentagon, Manage Data is a pretty logical one too, it looks like a spreadsheet/table

[pliant snow]

what did you get

[hushed raven]

Www exciting!

[devout vault]

(+power adapter, expansion cables, and numpad)

[pliant snow]

oh ho the big boy

oh do they finally have linux layouts now

It's weird they offer a single 48 GB stick and not two 24 GB ones, I guess you don't get dual channel

[hushed raven]

I'm still waiting for a 360 touch screen version either made by the community or framework themselves, once that happens I am so buying one

[cinder karma]

Tbh 360 touch screen (I have an acer with one) isn't that great

And fatally compromised the hinge tbh

48GB of RAM is insanely good though

[hushed raven]

atp I can't use a laptop without it, I would go for a tablet but the lack of upgradability and locked down OS make that very much unideal, The hinge is 100% the failure point on 360 laptops, thats where my last one broke and I've been angry about it ever since

[cinder karma]

My seven or nine year old baby is beautiful and fine

But she's spent the last two years sitting on a laptop stand and even before that I was pretty careful

(Yes. I refer to my laptop (and my car) as my babies.)

[devout vault]

I specifically chose a single large stick because that means if I upgrade later I don’t have to replace any - only need new ones

[hushed raven]

all my tech and gadgetry are my children, I care for them better than I care for myself it seems XD

Would dual channel RAM be noticeably faster when using DDR5 5600? surely at that point it's being limited by the programs themselves/moving from drive to RAM than the RAM

[thin estuary]

Isn’t no dual channel, like, bad

[hushed raven]

I couldn't notice a difference on DDR3 3333 dual channel or single channel at least (but I don't use much thats heavy on RAM)

[devout vault]

I’ve never really researched it, but it wouldn’t surprise me. I didn’t really think about it

[thin estuary]

Like, half frequency bad

[devout vault]

Yeah

/me shrugs

[cinder karma]

I form strong emotional ties to my stuff and get sad when it has to be replaced

My dad has been suggesting a new car for the last two years

You'll take baby from my cold dead hands, thanks

Bet i can get ten more years

[pliant snow]

🚙 kill me

[cinder karma]

She gets her maintenance done on schedule!!!!

(Mom is also trying to take my seven year old running shoes from me.)

[hushed raven]

Most tabs I think I've ever had, and probably will ever have?

[devout vault]

Rookie numbers

[pliant snow]

You people are insane

[cinder karma]

Always

[safe dragon]

I went pretty crazy today

I had 8 tabs open

[cinder karma]

I have 200 on my phone

[thin estuary]

…do these even still do their job?

[cinder karma]

I don't wear them for running! I wear them day to day and for lifting lol

[thin estuary]

I’m having a hard time telling if that’s more or less use

[cinder karma]

More use but less demanding

I like to lift as close to barefoot as possible

[thin estuary]

By use I meant demand x time

[cinder karma]

The uppers have mostly detached at this point lol

[thin estuary]

Wow we’re doing shoe math now

[cinder karma]

So like. It's more use tbh but I demand less of shoes I'm not running in

Also.

Running shoes are expensive lol

[thin estuary]

That they are

I don’t run, but my mom does

[cinder karma]

Everyone in my family runs

[thin estuary]

It hurts my head whenever I hear about how much she spent on her new running shoes, like, every year

[cinder karma]

Lol

A single pair is $80usd

Tbh it's less expensive than therapy so

[thin estuary]

I think she pays about twice as much

[cinder karma]

The way I think of it.....those shoes are expensive but medical care costs way more haha

[prisma flume]

reminds me i need to buy the desk that unbreaks your back 🙂‍↕️

[cinder karma]

Life pro tip

[steel kraken]

wait the desk unbreaks the back and not the chair?

[prisma flume]

well if you're standing up there is no chair to break your back

[steel kraken]

my desk is entirely sit-stand and I think I've only genuinely used it in standing configuration like 10 times (outside of lifting it for cleaning underneath)

[prisma flume]

i hear that a lot lol

[steel kraken]

also annoying to ensure everything is cabled to work

[prisma flume]

hoping that a combination of 'my daily desk is still here in a different room with all my stuff' and 'my back is on the brink of destruction' is enough to keep me standing often at a separate work desk

and of course 'this desk costs more than i'm worth'

[safe dragon]

the work desks are sit-stand desk as well and I don't think I've seen anyone use them standing after the first week we had them

[prisma flume]

well standing like a lamppost in the middle of the office is a little odd lol

there's a couple people at my office with a standing desk riser but they don't use them

[safe dragon]

I prefer just doing my lunch walk

[prisma flume]

mm, i try to stand fairly often at work and walk on breaks. any excuse to not sit down the whole day

[steel kraken]

at work we also had some standing desks with tall boi chairs and they were great

[cinder karma]

You can justify any purchase situation with the words "it's cheaper than therapy."

[devout vault]

"this vacation home in the bahamas is cheapter than therapy"

[cinder karma]

Lol, my boss asked me today if I wanted a sit stand desk

[prisma flume]

if it's over 500 dollars say hell yea

[cinder karma]

I mean like I dont work from home so

But i also regularly just stand at my desk

Like a weirdo

[prisma flume]

see now you mention a tallboi chair i'm interested

[steel kraken]

I checked my camera gallary, apparently I never took a photo that had them?

[prisma flume]

did you ever really have them..

[cinder karma]

Our version control is called SOS

Please

Blueberry

Save my soul

[pliant snow]

I think that's SMS

[fleet wren]

I learned the other day that SOS actually doesn't stand for Save Our Souls

[dusty pollen]

iirc we don’t actually know what it stood for, right?

[pliant snow]

I don't think it stands for anything, it was just easy to type in morse code

[dusty pollen]

oh it doesn’t stand for anything, yeah

apparently you could also equivalently do IWB or 3B and end up with the same morse code (since SOS is transmitted without breaks between the letters)

[pliant snow]

"Boss, they keep saying 'EEETTTEEE' over and over again"
"It's probably nothing"

[dusty pollen]

is T .---. and E .. then?

[pliant snow]

E is a single dot, T is a single dash

[dusty pollen]

A for some reason I blocked out that there’s three of each lmao

[prisma flume]

finally. super open source

[cinder karma]

Save my soul 🙁

[devout vault]

Send Overflowing Starburst

(It’s tasty, I want a lot)

[cinder karma]

...cheaper than therapy

[prisma flume]

it's amazing how the price of everything makes you feel justified in spending $17.43 on some coasters

[rain apex]

u mean those funny desks they have at work r 1.6k dollars

[prisma flume]

well the melamine/veneer ones start around 900, and this is the smallest size

[fleet wren]

I think the chairs at my office are double that if not more

[hardy jewel]

make sure you don't install the powerpoints in the cable channel upset down in the dark

after you've put the monitor arm on preventing it from opening fully again

:,)

[cinder karma]

1.6 grand 😨

....cheaper than therapy

[prisma flume]

the acacia is a paltry 1200

[prisma flume]

now why wouldn't i do that

[cinder karma]

Granted it's not 2015 but damn, $1.2k on raw materials and tools....

[steel kraken]

note that its AUD not USD, and the prices would be inclusive of taxs, not a magic line item at the end

[cinder karma]

I cant hear you over my new saws

[prisma flume]

well the tabletops alone are 'only' a few hundred

the rest is in the legs, motors, electronics, business costs, etc

[cinder karma]

R&D, labour

(Not labor)

[prisma flume]

surprisingly you can buy a slightly busted version of the same product for a discount

[cinder karma]

But what aboit the saw

[prisma flume]

it does not come with a saw

[cinder karma]

DEWALT 12-in 20-volt max Dual Bevel Sliding Compound Cordless Miter Saw in the Miter Saws department at Lowes.com https://share.google/2mF78u6OVj3B0jzpt

[prisma flume]

while that does have a motor, it's still not very useful as a table

[steel kraken]

I have a bespoke variant of https://stando.com.au/products/summit-series-ultimate-gaming-corner-desk under their previous company

[cinder karma]

(This might be the most expensive saw i could find)

And probably is less expensive than the one in the makerspace tbh

Anywyas

Motors dont cost thattt much

[prisma flume]

this does further the idea that the legs are more expensive than the table, given that one has 3 legs and costs as much as the hardwood desk

[cinder karma]

Pcb layout doesnt cost that much ||when your labor is free||

[sand frost]

cordless???/

cordless??

what are saws up to these days

[cinder karma]

Are you on team $1.6 k for a desk

Or are you on team "bet i could do that myself"

[prisma flume]

ah yes, this must be the containerisation i've heard so much about
https://desky.com.au/collections/office-pods-meeting-booths

[sand frost]

definitely team i could build that

dont ask about the half finished piles of lumber in my closet

[cinder karma]

It helps that dad will definitely let me borrow his table saw

[sand frost]

table saws scare me ngl