programmers-off-topic

[cinder karma]

I also want a squirrel cage

[safe dragon]

I mean you're going to need a fair few of em unless you want unfilled holes on the side of ur laptop

[devout vault]

I mean, sure, but I mean.

I don't want to stop at 6

Like "what if I ever need ethernet connection" or "what if Iever need to connect a microsd AND an sd, or even multiple of one" or "what if I end up needing to use an audio hack"

[ivory shadow]

lol

[devout vault]

And that's ignoring that you always need more USB C/A slots

(And that some displays only support one of USC B, HDMI, and DP, so who knows what combination I'll need???)

[safe dragon]

(you can always buy more later)

[devout vault]

You don't understand

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[safe dragon]

of course my bad

you need it

right now

[devout vault]

If they were like $50 each it'd be one thing

But most are ~$20, and the USB ones are closer to $10

What the heck

[ivory shadow]

You can get a cheaper power adapter elsewhere

If you're not going for maximum wattage for a graphics module

So this isn't really a big deal

[devout vault]

I mean the graphics module was out of stock, so...

...this amuses me more than it has any right to

[supple ether]

That's very cute

[cinder karma]

I have never needed an ethernet connection but for once (to debug a router)

Thankfully my work laptop has ethernet

I'm one of few that have it

[sand frost]

My work desktops all have Ethernet

We would not function without that

I actually wish they had more Ethernet ports

[safe dragon]

my work laptop does not have an ethernet port

it's provided by a dock

[dusty pollen]

I don't have ethernet wiring at home :(

everything is on wifi

except maybe the one TV right next to the router? but actually even that might be on wifi

[devout vault]

A framework can have up to 6 if you don't need any other ports!

My dad doesn't want cables going all the way upstairs, so I'm always on wifi

[cinder karma]

You can put them in in post!

We actually installed extra network cards!

Because NI

A lot of our devices use ethernet to communicate so

[sand frost]

i don't think a framework is what i need for a lab computer sadly

i want stationary and reasonably powerful, repairability is low on the list

[sand frost]

I think I can also get the USB expander thingys

[cinder karma]

Intellinet Gigabit PCI Express Network Card - Office Depot https://share.google/GpyQcYYBI5KenKHGY

[devout vault]

(I felt this was too good to leave hiding in a DM I sent)

[cinder karma]

Can you get unused machines from it?

You know my life would be a lot better if opening a file in vim wojld attempt a checkout

I bet i could get vim to do that

Vscode....now has AI integration

[marble jewel]

At least that makes some sense. Shoehorning AI into everything is like the new running Java.

[cinder karma]

Why does pandas take so long

[devout vault]

Hasn't vscode had AI integration for a while

I get the copilot popup everyt ime I open it

[pliant snow]

alias vim=git pull;vim

[devout vault]

I think atra meant checkout in the other source control sense

ie. the ones that require checking out a file before editing

[marble jewel]

VSCode had AI functionality via an extension, but it now has "proper" MCP server support

[safe dragon]

now do that with their funky ass version control instead git

[devout vault]

It's about time vscode had Minecraft Coder Pack support

[safe dragon]

didn't realize Affinity was bought by canva and now it's free with a subscription plan

[devout vault]

"I wonder why my code isn't picking up shift being held"

looks at the copy-pasted code checking it, and notices it says Control and not Shift

[cinder karma]

Apparently these are "healthy"

They have strawberries

[devout vault]

Didn't you know, fruit color = healthy

Starburst is such a delicious, healthy snack, don't you agree?

[cinder karma]

This python code has emoji in the comments

[fleet wren]

dont forget pizza is a vegetable

[devout vault]

Pizza's vegetable-ness composition not inheritance, smh

I didn't say starburst is a fruit

"healthy" is transitive and based on color

"is a fruit" or "is a veggie" is not

[cinder karma]

They were tasty

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

(Screaming due to two programs expecting slightly different formats)

[fleet wren]

atra you should contribute to thedailywtf

[devout vault]

Wish VS debugger had a "go to IL" mode (instead of just code and disassembly)

Because this isn't very helpful

And neither is this

[full hill]

Everyone just tells me to chat...feels wrong

[safe dragon]

chatting do be what you do in a chat

[cinder karma]

You can also try cat pictures

[cinder karma]

Ah, thin python wrapper, we meet again

I love python

Questionable definition of relative path we meet again

I love undocumented command line arguments

What are these performance improvement flags

[uncut seal]

got jumpscared by github's contribution graph's halloween colors

[safe dragon]

I like it

keep it like that

[cinder karma]

New annoyance

I cant put pins into my walls at work

[safe dragon]

so a normal wall

[dusty pollen]

I think americans aren't used to those

[cinder karma]

No, standard cubicle walls accept push pins usually

[safe dragon]

oh I've never seen a cubicle wall irl before

(nor cubicles obviously)

[cinder karma]

Really?

[safe dragon]

yeah

I've only ever seen cubicles in TV series and movies

I've always just had regular desks without any walls.
The whole team would just share the same room

every team has their own room

[cinder karma]

We have half cubicles

[dusty pollen]

every company I've seen was more of a "one big space all the teams shared with some sitting areas etc to break it up" situation but same vibe, low dividers behind the computer to separate it from the desk behind but that's it

[devout vault]

My last job had this for the original office

After moving offices they had what I can only describe as "mega cubicles" (basically, like 3 times the size, with a person in each corner). Usually separated by discipline (like programmers together, artists together, etc.) and possibly current project

[safe dragon]

tbh I think the only reason it isn't like that for me rn is because we need a space that requires extra security clearance

fancy words for "my employee card works on this door and yours doesn't"

though really what I personally do there wouldn't really require that clearance I feel like

idk I appreciate having a little more quiet

[devout vault]

Why does .doc editing suck

Two lines of text have an extra line between them, and I need to compress things

Backspace? Removes both lines. Enter after the backspace? Adds two lines

Shift changes nothing

Copy paste the text into notepad? There is in fact an extra line

aaaaaaaaaa

[dusty pollen]

- wysiwyg
- microsoft

[devout vault]

(Also an extra space I could see but word's caret was pretending didn't exist)

Take out the line in notepad and paste over it?

Fine, until I add the styling back, in which case it's even worse

[fleet wren]

in a more civilized world we will all be using markdown/tex

we'll also get nothing done in time in said world but shh

[devout vault]

I would literally have an easier time doing this in HTML/CSS than this

At the very least, then I could inspect element and see what the heck is going on

Turning off all line spacing after paragraph fixed it

[red crest]

if you cant get anything done in time bc you're using (la)tex thats just a sign you havent been using it enough already

it should be second nature to you by the time you're 25

[devout vault]

Also why can't I make this table shorter despite the contents having like 5 lines worth of extra contents

(...oh, I only cleared out the empty newlines on one side)

Why is the down arrow selecting everything at the end of the table instead of something sane, like going to the next row

(But only after typing text into the cell)

[fleet wren]

I'm already past the age where my brain can no longer retain new information why do you think I keep using vim
I'm literally one foot in a retirement home

I break my knees three times per day, morning, noon and night

[red crest]

better start writing your DNR order in tex now then while you've still got a chance

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/lucky-spongebob-meme-spongebob-owl-injured-gif-26297781

[devout vault]

(re:this)

(no gif of the full scene with glass bones and such)

[devout vault]

(This might just be something weird with the web version I guess - don't wanna pay for ms365 just to edit one document a month at most, and the web version is free for some reason because it's incredibly janky)

Formatted text documents were invented as en evil scheme by the printer lobby, because our suffering with those wasn't enough

[cinder karma]

Getting the tattoo as we speak

[cinder karma]

Smh I could livetex lecture notes in my late teens and my mom still thinks I'm a failure

Real talk I actually do need a will and a living will now 🙁

[devout vault]

I first misread that as "a will to live"

[cinder karma]

Yeah, that too

[cinder karma]

Selph if you're old I'm ancient

[rain apex]

what is this fancy font

[devout vault]

Fancy font?

Oh, my username?

New discord thing I think

Customization option

Forgot I did that since my desktop's client was out of date

I liked it conceptually but unsure about in execution

The top left of the K looks a little strange, and the 2 looks more like a backwards S

Oh course, those won't be an issue once KAR2 is out, since sooner or later after that I'll go back to just kittycatcasey

(most likely later rather than sooner)

[prisma flume]

it's amazing how quickly discord has been turned into wordart hell with all the colours, fonts, gradients, icons, tags, extra icons, animations,

[cinder karma]

Dont you have to play thr game first

Also fun for today

While I was digging through thr settings of the cadence schematic editor and assigning wires wild colors so I could find things

I found... blinkref

Blinkred

There are blinking versions of all the colors

[devout vault]

Current kittyKAR2casey is the excitement of anticipation era

Later kittyKAR2casey will be the excitement of playing it era

[prisma flume]

animated profile pictures, animated frames, animated gradients, ...

[cinder karma]

So i can have a schematic of blinking wires if I hate my coworkers

I like my gradient blues

You should try it

[prisma flume]

so chintzy

very y2k

i say while wallpapering all my mod pages with gradients

[cinder karma]

Please bluebs

They're selling xtina's skirts again

It's y2k all over again

Skirts the size of a belt, dotcom boom to ai boom

[prisma flume]

i don't know what xtina is

is it a library or a package

[steel kraken]

need to become profitable and have a return of investment for the private equity firms somehow

[cinder karma]

Christina Aguilera!!!!!!

[steel kraken]

and paywalling cosmetics is less of a PR hit than paywalling features

[cinder karma]

Blueberry

Discord lootboxes when

[steel kraken]

they did try and fail to be a standalone game store getting that 30% cut on stuff

[prisma flume]

i would've bought a nitro subscription like 10 years ago if it wasn't bundled with all this visual junk

value-added fluff to raise the price to that lovely 150/yr

[cinder karma]

Kitty!

[lethal walrus]

I thought it was 100/years if you do yearly

[steel kraken]

I only gave into nitro semi recently to discount the server boosts needed for the silly server tag, just out of spite to shutup people mentioning I didnt have their server tag selected

[lethal walrus]

And 120 if you do monthly

[prisma flume]

Australian dolleros

[lethal walrus]

Ohhh

[cinder karma]

So far I do not find discord worth paying for

[thin estuary]

that's a two?!

[prisma flume]

if people tell me to use their server tag im finding a way to unboost their server

[cinder karma]

You should use my server tag ||I dont have a server or a tag||

[devout vault]

Yeah, once I updated discord up here I was like "wait... did my name get changed?"

Thanks for confirming I need to switch off of it 😛

[devout vault]

I've never had that happen even before I set a server tag.

But then again, I hardly exist outside of stardew servers

[cinder karma]

I don't see new fonts

I guess discord is the new myspace

Anysays

I'm off to find some emo lyrics

To make my status message

[devout vault]

It's a super recent update I think

And also I changed mine back

(temporary changed again so I can screenshot for you)

[thin estuary]

Zoe has another

[devout vault]

I first noticed the font part for Raffie earlier today

But didn't realize that's what it was

I was just like "why is raffie's name a weird font" and moved on

I looked into it more when someone I DMed earlier had a different colored username in the DM list

[thin estuary]

i'm fine with custom colors

but ugh fonts

[devout vault]

Yeah

At least the effects don't show in actual chat

[pliant snow]

Has anyone heard of this https://espanso.org/

[devout vault]

I've never heard of any text expanders before. Seems like a neat idea

[steel kraken]

I have no idea how that could work but it scares me

[devout vault]

I assume via keylogging and copious backspacing

[pliant snow]

yes

I used to use autohotkey a lot, although it doesn't overlap with this

[steel kraken]

In its most basic form, a text expander is composed of two parts:

A global key detector that intercepts the keys pressed by the user, in order to determine if a trigger was typed.

A key injection mechanism that injects the final text into the current application, a process known as expansion.

At this point, some of you may think that espanso is acting as a key-logger, due to the global key detector we mentioned before. The good news is, it's not!

While espanso detects key presses as a keylogger would do, it doesn't log anything. Moreover, to further reduce risks, for regular matches, espanso only stores in memory the last five chars by default (you can change this amount by setting the backspace_limit parameter in the config), and this is needed to allow the user to correct wrongly typed triggers by pressing backspace, up to 5 characters. For regex matches the system can store up to 30 characters.

[devout vault]

I mean I didn't mean keylogging literally 😛

why no mention of copious backspaces, smh

[pliant snow]

it seems to have glowing reviews

[steel kraken]

are the glowing reviews injected by the tool

[pliant snow]

im not sure how much I'd use it tho

[steel kraken]

I feel like I'd have a good amount of false positives which would be annoying

[pliant snow]

I think so long as you have a pretty unique command symbol you wouldn't be accidentally triggering it

[steel kraken]

and I already have the search bar thing from powertoys which would give me fast access to most of what it offers

[sand frost]

I don’t think it meets my needs, personally

I rarely need my own IP

[steel kraken]

working in apis, I would use stuff like :ip or :date or whatever semi often and moving from : to some cryptic thing would just be annoying

[sand frost]

I keep “numbers I sometimes need” in my notes app

Today’s date is in the top right corner, not hard to find

I keep email snippets saved as signatures

[steel kraken]

pinned items in windows clipboard history would also solve fetching constant stuff

[sand frost]

(I mostly have “I’m not taking grad students due to the small fact of not having a grad program here” but I’m sure I’ll develop others)

[devout vault]

So I should use the simoleons symbol, got it

[devout vault]

windows what

[steel kraken]

win+v

[devout vault]

huh

I was already fascinated by the streamdeck "clipboard button but it has its own memory" thing

(still haven't used it because I always forget it exists)

(and also I'm pretty sure the text on the key won't update based on the memory contents, so it'd be hard to remember)

[cinder karma]

Doesn't the windows copy and paste buffer have a memory od ten entries

[devout vault]

I mean my brain buffer has a copy paste buffer of one (or less, depending on the day), so...

[steel kraken]

yes but you can pin entries and they will stay

also for me it appears to be 25 currently

[supple ether]

You can change the limit in the registry IIRC

Not sure if there's a gui option for it

[cinder karma]

Return 👏 codes 👏 should 👏 be 👏 useful

[devout vault]

Somewhat relevant

(I imagine most of us are familiar with this one, though)

[safe dragon]

of course

[hardy jewel]

(You can turn them off in accessibility settings if you don’t want to see them)

[thin estuary]

i'm aware

i just find it to be a very weird direction Discord is going

[safe dragon]

let us customize everything and pay us for the privilege

it's better than ads I suppose

I don't mind this

[hardy jewel]

Yeah I don’t mind it either

It’s better than them only moving random buttons around every few months for no reason

[cinder karma]

In before ads

Every third message

[austere comet]

...atra please delete before discord steals your idea and makes it even worse somehow

[fleet wren]

-# Did you know that Rust is a modern programming language that's memory safe, blazingly fast, and fearlessly concurrent

[safe dragon]

caveat: async is a massive pain in the ass in rust

[thin estuary]

apparently Microsoft broke Paint's "about to lose data" dialog sizing

like, how

[dusty pollen]

I love it

[safe dragon]

they were tired of causing bugs that actively harm your pc and went for something small today

[dusty pollen]

hey, you can't be sure this doesn't actively harm your pc

[safe dragon]

very true

they've been on a roll recently

[dusty pollen]

I haven't been keeping track tbh, what have they been up to?

[hushed raven]

well they broke restore points I know that for sure

[safe dragon]

biggest was probably when they broke the recovery environment

[dusty pollen]

...

they never cease to impress me

[hushed raven]

ye yanno, the totally not important thing that totally doesnt help when your computer breaks XD

[safe dragon]

they had a fun bug where closing task manager via the close button would instead open another instance of task manager

you had to kill task manager via task manager to close it

[hushed raven]

I love that, I want that to just be a thing anyway XD

[safe dragon]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/EmHsh7RWBWlOXrFYc1psFQKKh0nKWnL8wf8_7maX2fU/https/www.kkinstagram.com/p/DQR0OXdDWIL?format=webp&width=1500&height=1715

damn this doesn't even contain the two I just mentioned

[hushed raven]

I forgot localhost was something they broke, what a mess XD

[safe dragon]

I've been on vacation so they knew they had the opportunity

[dusty pollen]

they broke localhost? how? wha?

[fleet wren]

not to the same extent of these crimes but apparently latest Windows added an "internet speed test" button to its network menu, and all it does is open the default browser and Google/Bing "internet speed test"

there has never been a more "this feature vibe coded by AI" feature

[dusty pollen]

at least it doesn't force open edge, I guess? because there are windows things that do

[hushed raven]

F1 for instance, I always used to miss press it then had to wait 3-5 business days for edge to load up

[safe dragon]

essentially they made some security changes to how it handles loopback network requests but the security update just make loopback requests fail completely

you'd lose connection with localhost which I find kind of beautiful

sorry your own computer is currently not reachable

[dusty pollen]

they firewalled too close to the sun, now my computer is in the fire

[safe dragon]

can't have security bugs if it doesn't work

you'd think they have a test suite for localhost requests

actually you'd think they'd have test suites that rely on localhost requests

it's been a good time for windows haters

[dusty pollen]

maybe that's how it passed

[safe dragon]

they actually only do tests where it's supposed to fail and all the localhost tests failed so it was successful

[dusty pollen]

or maybe their tests search for a defined error code/text and it didn't come up /hj

[safe dragon]

"nope only fatal errors, not the one we're looking for"

[devout vault]

I know this is a joke and not a real ad because there it wasn’t saying “blazing 🔥 fast 🚀 “. That’s like a requirement for rust

[safe dragon]

my favorite is blazingly fast marketing for things where the speed of it has never been a problem

[devout vault]

How about stuff like the open LinkedIn hotkey (besides that predating vibe coding)

[safe dragon]

it's like every new terminal needing to talk about how it's blazingly fast like linux doesn't already have like 700 that fit that description

[hushed raven]

The day I encounter a slow terminal will be the day I fully leave eveything and live in a hovel

[safe dragon]

like man we ain't in windows where powershell takes 7 seconds to load your basic custom plugin config

[devout vault]

“ChatGPT, make me a terminal”

Just if you ever feel like forcing that

[hushed raven]

given the state ChatGPT is in rn it would probably not even launch

[devout vault]

Infinitely slow, then. Couldn’t be better for this purpose

[hushed raven]

To classify it as slow I would have to benchmark it against another terminal, if it doesn't work that just classifies it as "Broken" and not "Slow"

even though it is infinitely slow by a technicality

[devout vault]

But what if “doesn’t launch” means “hangs, seemingly indefinitely” instead of “crash immediately”?

Then it’s hard to tell if it’s broken or if it would just take 10 years per command

[hushed raven]

for it to classify as "Working" to get addigned "Slow" it would have 1. load a window, 2. let me type a command, and 3. send the command on pressing Enter, so if it does that, doesn't crash, and still hangs I'll take that as slow, anything else is either broken or not good enough to turn me into "Local Woods Cryptid"

wait why am I justifying NOT becoming the local cryptid, stuff that, I shall be finding a hovel immediately

[devout vault]

I mean I did say

[devout vault]

It's actually happening???

"Hypixel Studios 2025" has been registered under the name of Hypixel Inc and 5350's co-owner, with Simon listed as an administrator.
(from https://www.reddit.com/r/hytale/comments/1olqijw/hypixel_studios_2025_has_been_registered_under/)

[safe dragon]

ah yes Simon

world famous

one of a kind name

thanks Simon

(who?)

[devout vault]

"The guy" (the head at least, obviously multiple people) who started the original project

[safe dragon]

after looking at the screenshots I've determined they're the president of Canada

[devout vault]

Like, the guy who started the Hypixel minecraft server

[devout vault]

I don't know enough to dispute this so I'll add it to my headcanon

A full nations resources being put towards hytale, got it

[safe dragon]

no other conclusion possible

[safe dragon]

yup

but nice to see hytale isn't dead after all?

[devout vault]

Yeah

Just.. wait until 2026 to be playable

KAR2 has a reservation through the end of the year (at minimum)

[safe dragon]

that's very optimistic

[devout vault]

It is

But supposedly they were close to being ready to launch the beta, before the rewrite. And simon has said he plans to go back to that version of the game

[safe dragon]

maybe flecs will have its best game for marketing back

[devout vault]

We'll see when it gets added back to the projects page for flecs

[safe dragon]

🙏

[devout vault]

Oh right, Terraria 1.4.5 is planned for between late december and early january

Hytale, you gotta wait until a bit after that, too

[safe dragon]

they didn't even call it the last update this time

[devout vault]

In the most recent state of game there was this line.

Hard to say if that means "Terraria 1.5 plans", or "new game plans"

[lethal walrus]

i find it weird that simon hypixel's name is censored when it's fairly well known

[hushed raven]

ngl for a second I though it was Simon Lane of the Yogscast, but then I realised his residence is certainly not in canada

[lethal walrus]

like the hytale fandom wiki gives the full name

[safe dragon]

they've realized they're behind the times as indie devs and should be making a roguelike deckbuilder

so they'll make that

it's censored because it's actually a different simon

[hushed raven]

it's actually Simon Cowell and it's going to be turned into a Minecrafts Got Talent game

[devout vault]

(because fandoms have never in the history of fandom-ness shared personal info they shouldn't)

[safe dragon]

I was gonna go with Simon from the yogscast but that's better

[devout vault]

(not saying that's the case here, just saying that's not an argument in itself :P)

[lethal walrus]

oh you're not wrong yeah

[safe dragon]

who knows what's on the war thunder wiki

[lethal walrus]

secret government files

[devout vault]

No that's the forums not the wiki

[hushed raven]

War Thunder has been my source of so much humour

[safe dragon]

btw I've had a bug fix in my mind this entire vacation and I'm kinda looking forward to going back to work on Monday just to get it out of my damn head

the temptation to just boot up my work laptop to just do it

but that's a boundary I refuse to cross

[devout vault]

Crumble right now:

[safe dragon]

so true

I do enjoy my job tho

for now

[devout vault]

Enough to look forward to your vacation ending, though?

[safe dragon]

ok no

I enjoy being able to do whatever I want more than doing what I am paid to do

u rite

unfortunately watching YouTube while afking in runescape is not a fruitful career path

[prisma flume]

thank yoooou i actually didn't expect them to let you disable it at all. i checked on mobile the other day and there wasn't an option there, so maybe in a future update

it is if you're making reaction videos

[safe dragon]

on my phone the new fonts don't work to begin with

[prisma flume]

i hear those make bonanza dollars

[safe dragon]

reaction videos aren't really that much of a thing anymore

reaction streaming however

oh boy

multimillionaire

[devout vault]

They aren't?

[safe dragon]

I mean they are if you count clips from reaction streams

[devout vault]

Like the only one I watch is definitely "high effort" compared to others (he sometimes has mini-skits during the reaction videos, for example), but I know I've seen others

[devout vault]

Hmm. I've definitely seen some non-stream ones, but I'm not really aware of how popular they used to be either, so...

[safe dragon]

unfortunately I have a conscience and would feel guilty for using other people's videos for my own benefit while taking away from viewership of the original video

[prisma flume]

i don't even understand windows development anymore. my volume mixer never updates so it just sits there with system sounds, steam, and firefox as the only options forever. sometimes it doesn't recognise new audio devices. sometimes it forgets i have speakers. whenever i reboot it reenables headset services on my bluetooth headphones and decides i should be listening at mobile quality. the option to disable this is hidden in 'printer settings' in the new settings menu.

the other day the start menu decided it wouldn't take keyboard input anymore

the mind boggles

these are fundamental features

[devout vault]

Ah. I guess that makes sense.

The one person I watch doesn't include even half of the episode, it's just specific clips with the better reactions being edited from a full reaction recording.

[safe dragon]

Bluetooth headphones are notoriously terrible on windows

[hushed raven]

For some reason windows (Even on the re install) refuses to use the right output device, it trues to use the Steam Streaming Microphone as the OUTPUT, like wtf? my monitor works fine ty very much

[prisma flume]

raywilliamjohnson was the #1 youtuber in like 2009 back when Video Responses were a thing if that gives you a good idea of how popular they were

[prisma flume]

to be fair using these specific headphones on windows 7 has taken years off my life. years

[devout vault]

Like the she-ra series he's doing right now is usually 20-25 minutes per video, and each video covers two episodes rather than one

[safe dragon]

raywilliamjohnson's =3 was basically a "funny home videos" tv series put onto YouTube instead

[devout vault]

See I've never heard of this guy

But I don't think I watched youtube back then

[prisma flume]

they worked fine for a while on 11 but now especially games like halo and helldivers will specifically reset to use mobile hands-free mode on these headphones. i can't even imagine why

[devout vault]

...printer settings?!?!

Also, obligatory

implying you understood windows development in the past

[prisma flume]

see i've never actually watched raywilliamjohnson and i barely watched youtube back then, but you couldn't avoid seeing him

true, i have never understood or even thought about windows development

[safe dragon]

idk how many people I've helped debug Bluetooth headphones that stop working the moment they enter any voice chat or any kind because windows decided to introduce the concept of "default communication device" and then sets that to something other than the default audio device

[prisma flume]

nothing has me convinced that this is an uncaring and godless universe more than windows audio devices have

[devout vault]

I am like 60% certain that the first youtube videos I watched were EthosLab, and his oldest video was in 2010. (And I did not start watching him that early)

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6719 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1434323407096254570)

[safe dragon]

I watched Coestar before etho

[devout vault]

Like, what even is that. I've always seen that and gone "what's the difference"

I was too busy programming hobby game dev nonsense to pay attention to youtube

(Video tutorials weren't much of a thing back then, if I recall)

[prisma flume]

now that's interesting because i was too busy watching youtube to begin to learn programming

[devout vault]

(But I also hate video tutorials, so...)

[safe dragon]

I'd never programmed a thing in my life

🙏

[devout vault]

I read that as "I've" not "I'd"

And was going

[safe dragon]

lmao

that'd be a plot twist

[prisma flume]

i've never programmed a thing in my life 🙏

[safe dragon]

I've been faking it all this entire time

I just watch programming YouTube I don't even own a keyboard

[prisma flume]

what's the uhhhh

[devout vault]

isn't that all programmers

[prisma flume]

you know the picture of a forum post about someone asking 'ive been at this software job for months now. people think im a really good programmer but ive just been googling questions and copying code from stackoverflow. what will they do when they find out'

[devout vault]

If you don't have imposter syndrome, can you even call yourself a programmer

[safe dragon]

I'm afraid programmers are only 2nd place in impostor syndrome

[devout vault]

That too

[safe dragon]

behind doctors

[devout vault]

Also just ran across this.

(Is that fast sqrt)

[prisma flume]

i mean it's got the magic number and bitshifting bullshit

[safe dragon]

no

[devout vault]

I haven't memorized fast sqrt

So I wasn't sure if it was that, or a different nonsense

[safe dragon]

(it's the fast inverse sqrt)

soz I'm pedantic

[prisma flume]

are you really a programmer if you can't identify the exact magic number used for the fast inverse square root used in idtech

[devout vault]

That's what I meant

[prisma flume]

maybe you don't have imposter syndrome maybe it's justified

[frosty echo]

Also, negative zero

[devout vault]

See I can't even remember which algorithm it was

[devout vault]

(I should save this for the national "make the most programmers who don't have imposter syndrome develop imposter syndrome" competition)

[lethal walrus]

whats the point of char anyway

char and int are the same size

[devout vault]

?????

says who

I mean I think by the standard (at least old versions) they can be

[lethal walrus]

in c are they not

[devout vault]

No

[lethal walrus]

oh its not

[devout vault]

Char has to be the smallest addressable unit of memory (so, a byte)

[prisma flume]

the point of char is to stop people from using int i = 'i'

[lethal walrus]

oopsies

[devout vault]

Int is usually four bytes

[lethal walrus]

glad i dont write good c code

[devout vault]

Meanwhile, the humble reinterpret_cast (or, you know, a regular C cast)

Wait no

booberry I mean C++ not C#

[prisma flume]

isnt that just a static_cast

i haven't used cpp in years

[devout vault]

C style casts are basically all the C++ casts except dynamic cast

[safe dragon]

time to get into a lengthy discussion between the differences between code points, graphemes and characters

[prisma flume]

i should've known it's valid cpp

why wouldn't it be

(oh no. it's valid c# too. how could i ever forget)

[devout vault]

I mean it's probably valid C

[hushed raven]

Online C++ compiler is a great thing that I had no idea existed

[devout vault]

Also, in C# I'm pretty sure char is two bytes not one

Since C# uses UTF-16 I think

Or am I completely misremembering

(C++ uses "handle it yourself, I couldn't care less")

[hushed raven]

Looks to be the case after a quick google

[safe dragon]

yes C# chars are 16 bit

[hushed raven]

(not the AI result, the stack overflow and reddit results)

[devout vault]

I had to do some System.Encoding stuff to convert a C# string to bytes recently while doing interop nonsense

So I was pretty sure I was remembering right

[safe dragon]

this is a fun fact when you're running a password hashing algorithm in multiple different programs and then get different results because 1 is utf8 and the other utf16

this has fucked me up before

[devout vault]

Now that's exciting

Hashing messed me up when we moved from .net framework to .net 6, since GetHashCode was no longer deterministic between runs of the program

"what were you using that behavior for even"
squashing string item IDs into an int for DGA

(ie. the butterfly effect that led to 1.6, because Pathos said "that's spooky I'm gonna ask to change item IDs to long instead of int" and then it snowballed)

[safe dragon]

the first mistake was relying on GetHashCode to be deterministic

[devout vault]

I mean, a hash of a string shouldn't change based on when it's being calculated (or any hash), in my mind

If you're just using it for a hash map or something, that's fine

But like

The checksumss to verify you got the right download for things would be useless then

[devout vault]

There's a bunch out there! There'sm one that lets you change which compiler it uses on the fly so you can compare differences.

And of course there's similar stuff for other languages, like C#

(Or stuff like regex)

(regex101.com 🙏 )

[hushed raven]

thats good to know! I shall keep that in mind when I cba opening code

regex I have never been able to find a decent one, I've never heard of regex101 so I shall check it out too

[safe dragon]

regex debugging is always fun

[devout vault]

regex101 is amazing

12/10 do recommend

[cinder karma]

Godbolt is our god

[safe dragon]

a very familiar page I'm afraid

[devout vault]

I knew you would mention that if you saw this conversation

[safe dragon]

me too

[lethal walrus]

regex101 is really good

[safe dragon]

godbolt is great though it's true

[devout vault]

I can't remember what I was trying to make a regex for, but I know I've used it recently

[safe dragon]

my latest regex was extremely complicated (contains a -)

[devout vault]

For .net I usually use dotnetfiddle.net (missed opportunity to make it a subdomain and do net.fiddle.net 😔 ), or sharplab.io if I need to see IL stuff

[safe dragon]

wait no it was a comma

I just wanted to be able to use EnumerateSplits really

[devout vault]

Why would you make an enumerable do a split

Don't you know how hard those are

[hushed raven]

Looks very similar to cyberchef, which is also another very useful website

[devout vault]

I've never heard of that website

Can't wait to forget about it in 5 minutes

[hushed raven]

it's especially good for modifying incremental game save data

[prisma flume]

i feel like 'cyber chef' doesn't give the most accurate first impression as to what's inside

[safe dragon]

me too

[prisma flume]

they mightve realised this given it's subtitled 'the cyber swiss army knife'

[cinder karma]

Cyber what

[prisma flume]

which raises more questions about the connection between a chef and a swiss army knife

[hushed raven]

Swedish chef, thats the connection

wait no swiss =/= swedish

[prisma flume]

atlas......

[hushed raven]

ignore that

[cinder karma]

Oh that's cute

[devout vault]

"Introducing... CyberChef! The new AI-powered robot which decides on and creates and cooks recipes for you based on your data! Feed it your browser history, vitals, etc. to cater a diet just for you!

-# We pinky promise not to use that data for anything else."

[cinder karma]

Hey, that would make money

Tbh

[devout vault]

You say that

But it's LLM powered

Investment money, sure

(I just said AI instead of LLM because marketing wouldn't use LLM for the average person, that's too confusing)

(And they wouldn't use LLM for the kind of person who understands what that means, because it'd scare them off)

[safe dragon]

if it's LLM based I expect the robot chef to first regale their entire childhood that led up to the dish first

different childhood every time of course

[lethal walrus]

when i was a small microcontroller

[safe dragon]

a large microcontroller

[hushed raven]

so literally any recipe found on a blog? no different to usual

[cinder karma]

Please

Just make good reasonable food and bring it to me

[safe dragon]

exactly, its training data

[cinder karma]

Please

[devout vault]

Did you really buy a CyberChef™ and expect this?

Unrelated, but wow, I think this achievement is worse than MP-only or play-with-devs achievements

[safe dragon]

wtf

[hushed raven]

I have SE V2, SE V2 3 and 4 dedicated server, if only they counted

[safe dragon]

I didn't know there was more than 1

🙏

[devout vault]

I have 1, V2, 3, and 4 (why is 2 called V2?).

Apparently. (The humble bundle era was crazy, you know)

[hushed raven]

just missing SE 5

[devout vault]

Don't let the labels fool you, I've never even installed any of them

This is why the "amount of games unplayed" statistic is useless for me

If there was a version that only counted things you purchased yourself on steam directly, that would be much more interesting

and actually embarassing most likely, thanks to the era of buying tons of games each steam sale

[hushed raven]

I think about 95% of the 550 games I own are unplayed

it may be a problem, but oh well

[lethal walrus]

do you manually recategorise them or does steam have automatic categorisation

[devout vault]

"but you don't do that anymore, right???"
Correct.
(/me hides the august sale this year under the couch)

[cinder karma]

I'm asking the one who loves cooking to bring me food

[devout vault]

It's the sort by playtime one

[hushed raven]

Theres many tools for making categories bc I don't think steam has something like that built in

[devout vault]

If I were to manually categorize my steam library, those (and many many others) would go in the "literally do not care" category

[hushed raven]

Oh good to know

[devout vault]

this fancy little button

The problem is that during the times I actually feel like playing games

[lethal walrus]

ooo

:o

[devout vault]

I also feel like programming things

And that takes priority

So, yeah

[lethal walrus]

oh they count when you bought the game as when you played it

[devout vault]

Yeah

If they didn't count that, sniper elite wouldn't be listed as 2018 in that screenshot I shared

Speaking of games I never play and humble bundle

[lethal walrus]

wonder how there's no recorded activity for these then

[devout vault]

I really need to claim my backlog of humble monthly games

[cinder karma]

I still haven't gotten my food OR my brownies, bluebs

[devout vault]

Are those actual purchased products? Because the no recorded activity stuff for mine is for bundled things, like dedicated servers

[devout vault]

I had food AND brownies like an hour or two ago

Thank you, dad's dinner cooking night

[devout vault]

(I say, as if I have done any programming or gaming today)

[lethal walrus]

chanec they were free but i think other things were free

[devout vault]

I need set discord hours for the weekend, I've spent too much time here

(I mean, I also took a nap earlier I guess)

[devout vault]

(I also still haven't started anything for the current anime season still. I'm so behind 😔 )

[hushed raven]

My categories were done with a mix of manually adding and dynamic collections, ( I was wrong about Steam not having categories)

(took a while to install a ss program, that's why it's not with the rest of the convo)

[devout vault]

"I have my games categorized!"
(the load-bearing "uncategorized" category, lurking at the bottom)

[devout vault]

SS as in screenshot???

Like.... printscreen sort of screenshot?????

[hushed raven]

we don't talk about that category, it's a wild west down there and it deserves nothing but ignorance

[hushed raven]

yes... what other things could it mean?...

[devout vault]

I'm just baffled because why couldn't you just use printscreen

That's not something you have to install

[hushed raven]

Oh printscreen has no funtionalilty on my computer, I have to install something then bind that key to it

[devout vault]

(I mean I use sharex, but nowadays you can crop with printscreen directly on windows without an MSpaint intermediary)

[devout vault]

Is this something I'm not linux-pilled enough to understand

[hushed raven]

I'm not on windows anymore, I gave it up XD

[devout vault]

Why would any modern OS not have printscreen built in

(in before "bold of you to call <insert linux distro> modern")

[hushed raven]

specifically arch pilled, pretty sure most distros are bundled with a program to do that, even Desktop environments like KDE are bundled with one, but I just switched over to hyprland and I'm still configuring it

[devout vault]

Oh, okay, so you brought that upon yourself

[hushed raven]

(I did use KDE but desided to give a window manager a try instead of a desktop environment)

Oh ye I totally brought it upon myself, I didn't realise it was something I used often XD

[devout vault]

(I don't know what the difference is)

[safe dragon]

even niri has a built in screenshot utility fwiw and hyprland has hyprshot it's just not installed by default

[hushed raven]

Desktop Envrionment is like windows, windows you can drag around and resize, a Window manager causes windows to tile nicely together, predominantly for keyboard navigation over mouse, that is a very oversimplified explanation

It was hyprshot I just installed, a lot of stuff isn't preinstalled with hyprland which is the main reason I got it, I dislike bloat quite a lot

[safe dragon]

what you're describing is a floating window manager vs a tiling window manager

[hushed raven]

That is a much better explanation, thank you, both can technically desktop environments good point

[safe dragon]

a desktop environment is just a collection of a bunch of different packages and tools intended to fulfill every regular person's use without needing to install or set up anything extra

[hushed raven]

the differences between tiling and floating window managers are still very new to me, but I'm liking the tiling one so far

[devout vault]

Okay this is what I was thinking and why Atlas confused me

[hushed raven]

sorry for the confusion XD

[safe dragon]

there are desktop environments with built in tiling modes, primarily cosmic

[devout vault]

I definitely am interested in tiling window managers, but like, I like floating too much.

If I could use a tiled for one monitor and floating for the rest, I might have tried it

[safe dragon]

cosmic allows you to configure whether it's floating or tiling per workspace

[devout vault]

Floating is mainly nice because I can’t quite place cheat a little by staggering windows diagonally for easy access to a bunch at once

[hushed raven]

hyprland does also support floating windows, but theres no minimising without an extra package which is a tad bit of a shame to me

[safe dragon]

why would you minimize in a tiling window manager

[devout vault]

Is cosmic a rare windows one, or another Linux one

Atlas said hyprland supports floating but not minimizing

[safe dragon]

cosmic is Linux yes. It's owned by System76, the Linux laptop/pc retailer

[devout vault]

Well, feel free to give me Linux window manager recommendations for when I get that framework laptop soon ish

[safe dragon]

yeah floating support is standard in most tiling window manager

niri

[devout vault]

I’ll be trying linux for each weekday

[hushed raven]

Because I have 20 different programs open at once that open their own window, I'm just getting used to the workspace features instead

[safe dragon]

I'm a niri fanboy

[devout vault]

(Spcificslly contract work, not my casual usage on my desktop)

[hushed raven]

There is a windows one the LeFauxMatt uses but I don't remember the name

[safe dragon]

fwiw if you're completely new to Linux desktop you'd be going through some incredibly rough few hours or days trying to jump straight into window managers

[hushed raven]

Komorbi is the name of the windows one, just found it

[safe dragon]

KDE is the desktop environment the steam deck ships with

[devout vault]

Well then I can wait a week or two to try it

[hushed raven]

Oh for certain, I've spent like a month on linux (with the odd experience from the steamdeck, the reason for installing KDE on my desktop too) which was enough time to get used to linux in an environment I was familiar with

[devout vault]

I’m not completely unfamiliar with Linux, but most of it is terminal stuff and not desktop usage

[safe dragon]

yeah unfortunately that's quite different

having to set up your own notification daemon and stuff would just be extra shit to have to figure out

[devout vault]

I mean Linux uses normal keybindings for the clipboard and stuff usually, right?

So not as bad as using a Mac 😛

[cinder karma]

Arch Linux is good

[safe dragon]

ctrl c and ctrl v yes...

[cinder karma]

Smh some of us have to make brownies if we want brownies

Smh

[safe dragon]

screenshots would be whatever you have configured or the environment decides to use

[hushed raven]

Kinda, It confuses me that so many terminals use ctrl + shift + c or v instead of just ctrl + c or v, but desktop applications still use regular ctrl + c or v

[safe dragon]

cause ctrl c in a terminal just terminates the current process

[devout vault]

I mean to be fair these were low sugar brownies. 😔

[prisma flume]

i'm glad the off-topic topic is now desktops 🙂‍↕️ behold my up-and-coming expensive purchase of the year
https://desky.com.au/products/desky-dual-softwood-sit-stand-desk?variant=39979567939740

[devout vault]

(They werent made specifically for me)

[safe dragon]

a beautiful desktop

[hushed raven]

Oh and on KDE for sure middle click is also paste, which is annoying to find out if you use multicursor on vscode a lot like me

[devout vault]

That looks a lot like the desk my parents are letting me use in my room

[safe dragon]

middle click as paste is standard on Linux for funky legacy reasons

[devout vault]

Of course I never use standing mode

[hushed raven]

Needs more dark wood, everything needs more dark wood, dark wood is the best wood, love a good walnut

[safe dragon]

there's some settings that I've forgotten the name of to disable paste behavior or middle click

[hushed raven]

I've been tempted to get a standing desk but I fear all the stuff on mine would be too heavy for one I could afford

[cinder karma]

Make your own and they dont have to be low sugar

[safe dragon]

I knew myself well enough to just get a regular desk

[prisma flume]

right now i'm trapped. trapped by choosing whether to replace my boring 160x80cm daily desk with a large-ish 150x75cm entirely, or to have a modest separate 120x75cm workdesk out in the living room

[cinder karma]

God i need to make brrad

Bread

[devout vault]

no

[cinder karma]

I dont have a standing desk at work anymore so I just switch between kneeling and sitting

[hushed raven]

the desk I have now is bigger than my old desk and it's amazing, I much prefer it to a seperate desk (even though I do have a seperate one to my left)

[cinder karma]

I really need to make bread

[prisma flume]

well the thing is my lower back is about to explode into fragments, so knowing myself is knowing either i stand up or i buy a hardwood tombstone instead

[devout vault]

.wolfram 100cm in ft

[heavy dagger]

3.281 feet

[prisma flume]

not literally, but it may as well be

[cinder karma]

I also need to get more flour

[hushed raven]

I would love to be able to do that by my cracking knees say a solid no XD

[cinder karma]

Have you considered a kneeling desk chair

Or perhaps

Atlas aren't you a literal decade younger than me

[devout vault]

I mean couldn’t you just get a good ergonomic setup (chair, monitor height, etc.) instead of suffering via standing

[cinder karma]

Have you considered doing some deadlifts

[hardy jewel]

I love my desky desk! I have this exact one!

best purchase I've made in a very long time

[safe dragon]

desky desk

[devout vault]

Despite what Atra may say and feel, they’re not super old either

[hushed raven]

Quite probably, but I also have the ailments of an 80 year old XD

[safe dragon]

tabley table

[hardy jewel]

hush crumb

[devout vault]

chairy chair

[cinder karma]

Oh I'm fully aware i still have the body of my 16 year old self

It's great

[devout vault]

Wait do we actually have to be nice to you Zoe, since you’re a junimo

[cinder karma]

Still wear the same clothes

[safe dragon]

I continue to have no idea if atra pretends to be old and is instead only like 30 or is actually old

[cinder karma]

I'm a faster runner than I was at 16. Stronger too (both in bench and squat)

[devout vault]

I may not be a great judge of age, but they don’t appear to be old in person

[prisma flume]

another glowing review 🙂‍↕️ it's a big enough purchase that it feels wrong to get a small one for a mini office space, but also i'd rather have it be something lite that i'm more happy to change the height for

[cinder karma]

I'm only ten years out from retirement

[devout vault]

Unless atra has aged greatly since like May or whenever that was

[hardy jewel]

I don't think anyone follows that

[devout vault]

wait what

[safe dragon]

idk you seem like the type to save for an early retirement...

[devout vault]

Okay good point crumble

[prisma flume]

lord knows i've wanted a solid wood desk for so long that it feels silly to keep this garbage ikea mdf desk as my day-to-day desk but here we are

[devout vault]

Phew

[prisma flume]

speaking of chairy chairs. herman miller huh

but with two desks means two expensive chairs

[hushed raven]

I fear I can never go back to a cheap desk afeter having a solid wood one with actual steel framing

[cinder karma]

(Ten years from having enough in savings to hit my first retirement number :P)

[devout vault]

I’ve heard from a reliable source that Herman miller chairs are pretty good

[safe dragon]

I've been using an ikea markus for 10 years now it has lost its warranty so I guess it's about time for it to suddenly explode or something

[cinder karma]

I used a $20 Walmart chair for five years smh

[devout vault]

Okay so yeah, what crumble said

[prisma flume]

i mean this ikea desk does have a steel frame which is good, it's just woefully unfashionable and lacking in aesthetic sense and feng shui

[hushed raven]

Oh my chair is a herman miller! it is second hand for free from an office though, but it's so so good

[prisma flume]

a free herman miller...

[devout vault]

Feng shui? I just leave things wherever and it works fine

aesthetics what’s that

[safe dragon]

I haven't the slightest clue what my office chair is but it's not good

[hushed raven]

I was truly blessed to get it for free, the place I got it from was moving and they had all new office stuff to go into their new space

[devout vault]

The last time I intentionally changed chairs, it was because the previous one literally fell apart

(Like, the middle part snapped while I was sitting on it)

[regal ingot]

Don't worry, the current economic environment will ensure that inflation will make that number completely inappropriate by the time it arrives.

[devout vault]

(It was already precarious at that point though, having to balance slightly while sitting on it)

[prisma flume]

my current chair is pretty good. maybe 500ish australian bushels, quite comfortable, but as it stands i probably want something a little more extremely premium and ergonomic given how much sitting i do

[cinder karma]

RODULF desk sit/stand, electric/white, 551/8x311/2" - IKEA https://share.google/e0TWnYX27P6XmsVsp

[hardy jewel]

I have the ergonomic chair from the Desky website and it's not half bad for the price

[safe dragon]

I like how I somehow went out of still not having a good idea of atra's age

[hardy jewel]

it's the only decent mid-range priced one I could find in australia unless I went down the second-hand herman miller route and got lucky

[prisma flume]

problem is my current chair is a good-enough quality and high-enough price that if i were to upgrade while it's still usable it'd have to be a noticeable upgrade for sure

[hushed raven]

Somewhere between 12 and 80 for sure XD

[safe dragon]

I have uh... a desk. It's olive wood idk what brand

[devout vault]

Atra is an enigma as always :😌

[prisma flume]

i spotted some secondhand aerons on gumtree recently by absolute chance, but they're still 1000 each

[hardy jewel]

makes sense, at that point it makes sense to hold out for a herman miller or something

oof yeah that's still steep

[safe dragon]

my plan is to get myself a fancy luxury desk chair when my Ikea Markus does explode

[prisma flume]

again though, an investment in not having my lower back explode into a fine powder

[hardy jewel]

random office companies will often do big cleanouts of their chair stock all at once for very reasonable prices

[hushed raven]

They also do that for computers too (usually without hard drives) which is where I also get most of my tech from

Oh and schools, but the school chairs are not the best

[devout vault]

Smh, backs these days don’t even make shrapnel when they explode anymore

[safe dragon]

all my computers growing up were old desktops my dad's office was replacing

[dusty pollen]

mine still are

[safe dragon]

my dad's retired I'm afraid

[dusty pollen]

my desktop is one my cs department was giving away and my laptop is a laptop my dad's job didn't ask him to give back back in 2016

[prisma flume]

see my boss has been trying to palm a new laptop onto me for months now. if i could keep the current one for part-time work, or even do a mythical switcheroo

[dusty pollen]

or maybe a couple years later, I think it's FROM 2016

[safe dragon]

my quiet hope is for work desktops to get back in fashion because I'm tired of them spending 3 gazillion euros for workstation laptops only to have worse computing power than an average pc

I know it's not happening

[prisma flume]

you will use a surface pro and you will like it

[safe dragon]

that's the opposite of a workstation laptop

I'd be horrified if they gave me that

[prisma flume]

and yet also the opposite of a work desktop

[cinder karma]

Deadlifts

[dusty pollen]

there was a single computer lab in my cs department that had herman millers (I think sayls?) for every single chair and I'm still confused to this day

[safe dragon]

deadlifts are a fantastic way to explode your back it's true

[devout vault]

monkeys paw curls
The desktops all have 80% of their compute for AI and is unable to use that for anything else.

Also obnoxiously bright cycling RGB you can’t turn off, because even workplaces need vibes

[prisma flume]

a friend of mine had her lower back explode into a fine powder because of deadlifts. you're not fooling me

[safe dragon]

[cinder karma]

I still want brownies

[prisma flume]

now to buy this lovely desky desk for the low price of so much money

[devout vault]

I don’t know enough exercise lingo to know what deadlifts are so I’m gonna assume it’s working in a graveyard or mortician or something and carrying corpses places

[dusty pollen]

sayls are "cheap" at as low as £585

[prisma flume]

wow that's a weird looking chair

[safe dragon]

at my old job we used to have desktop pcs and then a new CTO moved us all to like... brand new 4000 euro workstation laptops and they were slower than the pcs

we were all quite salty

[cinder karma]

I did say i was considering picking up work at my gym....

[hushed raven]

That's pretty similar to the movement of deadlifts so you're pretty much right XD

[prisma flume]

i don't think you're meant to lift the deceased like the incredible hulk

[dusty pollen]

I'm not sure I would have recognised the aerons so I guess they have that going for them? brand recognition

[safe dragon]

dead lifts are basically just weird squats smh

[devout vault]

Dang, I was waiting for someone to correct me so I could say “I’m not falling for that Big Protein Powder propaganda”

[hushed raven]

Okay well not overhead I should add good point, but the squat motion defo

[devout vault]

I’m not falling for that Big Protein Powder propaganda

[cinder karma]

Wait are we doing Romanian or standard

[safe dragon]

what

[hushed raven]

standard

[prisma flume]

out of interest did you get any of the added components and were they any use 📝

[hushed raven]

if I think romanian is what I think it means

[devout vault]

Oh are the Romanians lobbying Big Protein Powder? Interesting

What changes are they trying to make happen

[safe dragon]

smaller protein

[hushed raven]

I mean tbf the only Romanians I've seen are massive buff dudes so it fits so far XD

oh wait no nvm I forgot what lobbying meant

[devout vault]

That seems like the opposite of what Big Protein Powder would be willing to do

[dusty pollen]

desky desks are one of those things that, even though I KNOW I'm wrong, I can't help but look at and go "for that price I could just build that myself from scratch"

[cinder karma]

Romanian deadlifts you keep your knees straight and hinge from the hips more

Desky desk is not a name I can take seriously

[hardy jewel]

I have their monitor stand, underdesk PC mount and the drawer -- I personally really like all of them

[safe dragon]

you could, you just have to be a skilled carpenter and electrical engineer

[hardy jewel]

the drawer you do have to drill in yourself but it's very easy

[devout vault]

Does that make the corpse easier to carry?

[cinder karma]

I am a skilled carpenter and an electrical engineer

[hardy jewel]

all very high quality

[prisma flume]

the drawer would be an attractive proposition if not for $170

and also this would be a 120cm wide desk so that's valuable legroom

(when sitting)

[devout vault]

You’re a carpenter?

Atra is there anything you can’t do

[hushed raven]

I hate that because it goes against everything I've been taught (not like gym tought, but just general life taught), "lift with your knees not your back"

[hardy jewel]

yeah it's not a very attractive price haha

[devout vault]

Besides fix the economy so your stocks don’t make you sad, I guess

[safe dragon]

remember video game trivia

[devout vault]

Anything useful*

[prisma flume]

i'd also consider their CPU mount () but this would be for a laptop workstation rather than my daily desk

it looks real neat having the 'puter move with the desktop though

[devout vault]

My pooter moves with my butt

[prisma flume]

real programming talk: why is 🙂‍↕️ 'head shaking vertically' and why is there no alias for 'nodding'

[devout vault]

Because discord prefers novelty offer practicality

See: “every feature they’ve added for quite a while”

[prisma flume]

well the name seems like the internal wordy unicode name but they just never bothered to give it something more normal

[devout vault]

(Also it kinda looks like a face pointing downwards with an anime sweat drop but really small and harder to notice, at least on my phone)

[hushed raven]

I had no idea it was a face nodding, I also thought it was a sweat on the brow kinda emoji

[devout vault]

Smh why aren’t Unicode emojis animated

[hushed raven]

😅 < an alternative to this

[devout vault]

Printed media what’s that

[prisma flume]

you fools. you're thinking of 😓 instead of 🙂‍↕️

[safe dragon]

[prisma flume]

they are completely different emotions

[devout vault]

As if there aren’t emoji that aren’t incredibly similar but technically different already

😞 😔

😃 😄

😂 🤣

☺️ 😊

[safe dragon]

[devout vault]

😗 😙

Seriously these are so easy to find without even scrolling

[worn remnant]

😔 being "pensive" is so odd to me but at least i know that it is so i can pull it up easily

[prisma flume]

but yeah given most unicode emoji have real names like how 🔃 is CLOCKWISE RIGHTWARDS AND LEFTWARDS OPEN CIRCLE ARROWS i'd imagine they just never thought 'yeah HEAD SHAKING VERTICALLY seems a little uncomfortable to write'

[safe dragon]

I use every 12 seconds

[devout vault]

Yeah I have that one memorized even though it’s not what I’d think of with that name

[cinder karma]

I mean I'm an ageless being of course i can do carpentry

[hushed raven]

My qualm is that this 😑 is called 'expressionless' where as this 😐 is 'neutral face' are they not the same lack of expression

[devout vault]

Oh yeah? If you’re ageless, why do you keep saying you’re old.

Checkmate, atraists

[safe dragon]

all I ask is for my dad to stop using 🥵

[devout vault]

That first one more looks like a “seriously?”, not “expressionless”

But I know people interpret emoji differently

My mom uses 🙃 very different than I do

[prisma flume]

if the world as a whole could just take the leap towards adding to the emoji standard i could be a functional member of society

but no. i have to react to teams messages with sandwiches and thumbs up

[hardy jewel]

(This is my current setup with their stuff - I forgot I have their deskmat, too)
overall all very good if you can justify the price - some sort of computer mount is pretty essential so the cords don’t pull in the standing position if the pc is underneath

[hushed raven]

That is 'passive agressive "friend" when they're annoyed by normal human behaviour'

[prisma flume]

wh

i thought... you lived in a tent..

[devout vault]

I we get a world government, our ID should come with 5 custom emoji slots we can use as we please

[hushed raven]

I absolutely adore that so so much, so very cosy

[prisma flume]

is that a fractal case too. very chic

[devout vault]

I use it for stuff like “I had a day off so I was going to go to the park but now there’s a hurricane 🙃 “

[cinder karma]

🙃 this one is sarcastic to me

[devout vault]

My mom uses it as sort of a whimsical smile

[cinder karma]

🥵 this one i see usually as "so and so is hot"

Like "Rumi 🥵 "

[hushed raven]

That one I agree with

😩 but also this one is also used for the same I've seen

[prisma flume]

and the wickerwork folding screen is very nice. actually jealous of the workstation hahah

[cinder karma]

😩 I see for being tired

[devout vault]

Ah yes. Japanese(?) fiction and Pharmacology for Paramedics, my favorite combo

[cinder karma]

🍑

This one has unfortunately gotten new connotations

[hushed raven]

new connotations?.....

does it not mean 'butt' (and peach) anymore?....

[cinder karma]

😻 I like using this one

[devout vault]

😩 I think of as more for “I ordered pizza and they put anchovies on it but I’m too hungry to wait for a fixed delivery 😩 “

(Or 🙃 in some cases)

[devout vault]

Okay, I take it back, you are old

[hushed raven]

😫 would use this one in that case which is more of a scrunched face

[cinder karma]

It's a child friendly server atlas

I was trying to not say what it was

[prisma flume]

i was just thinking the catface emojis have got to be used exclusively by mums of a certain age

[devout vault]

Contrary to what one might think, Stardew does have butts

[cinder karma]

There are no bathrooms?

[hushed raven]

I did have to think of an acceptable word because I only had one in my mind

[devout vault]

Also the other DGA mod is more likely to be up to date than my DGA mod

[cinder karma]

🛫 🛬

[devout vault]

I’m pretty sure butts predate bathrooms, historically

[cinder karma]

Okay

Back to my audiobook

[devout vault]

I’ve only ever seen it used by my grandmother

[cinder karma]

Since no one wants to mail me brownies

Smh

Anyways

Right

I can't be a spooky name no more

[devout vault]

We don’t know your address so how could we mail you brownies

[prisma flume]

discord support wants you to avoid sharing your address in public chatrooms even if offered brownies

[devout vault]

(Does anybody besides me remember this mod)

[cinder karma]

Kailey successfully mailed me Canadian geese and she doesnt know my address smh

[devout vault]

Hmm

Have you considered that Kailey asked onyx to use their magic cat powers to do it

[cinder karma]

Screw brownies I've got a coupon for a free mcflurry

[devout vault]

Atra tax bills are scary even when accurate, just less so than miscalculated

Oooooo

Tasty

[prisma flume]

!! just noticed you've also got their monitor arm and a monitor that looks real close to mine. dell s3221qs?

i was worried it'd be too heavy for a normal arm since it's snapped one already

[hardy jewel]

I keep noticing more and more things that are desky branded yeah I have their monitor arm too and their wobble board stuff + their mic arm

my monitor is the dell S3422DWG -- the stand holds it up very very well, no issues at all over the year or so I've had it

[prisma flume]

oh wow that's even more premium than mine hahah

this one's 4k 32" ips but only 16:9 60hz

reminds me i'll need another big screen for the little office space

actually do you use the wobbleboard at all. they've got a bunch of funky footrests and standing stages

i can't even imagine the benefit to half of these

[hardy jewel]

I use the wobbleboard every time I put the desk up, I find it really helps with ankle fatigue and to keep the blood pumping (and gives me something to do with my feet if I'm in a meeting or something)

but I have tile floors so without it they're a lot more harsh than carpet for example

I wouldn't say any of their footrest stuff is particularly necessary, but I find them nice to have. I got mine during one of their big sales so the price wasn't super bad

[prisma flume]

ah hmmmm

i've never noticed ankle fatigue actually, but i do have carpet throughout (i hate it)

although im not usually just standing around on carpet with a sitting desk

is yours the standing mat or the balance board?

[hardy jewel]

the balance board

you'd probably be totally fine on carpet without anything else

there are also cheaper alternatives on the market for that stuff that'd do the same thing if you wanted one later on

[prisma flume]

mmmhm gotcha gotcha

thanks for the help ☀️ absolutely golden info

[hushed raven]

I am having such a hard time trying to find a volume mixer that has separate volume control per application (that preferably can also be added to waybar), do this just not exist for hyprland? the best I can get is the KDE plasma system settings which honestly isn't Idea at all

[prisma flume]

(oooo desky does desktop wood samples. and the cost goes towards your desk purchase....)

(i promise i'm not a marketing bot i just yearn for the desks)

[devout vault]

(I thought the only shilling we allowed in here was for framework laptops)

[steel kraken]

I was shilling my framework 16 earlier in the week at work

[devout vault]

(As far as commercial things go, anyways. Unfortunately the rustacean aspect seems to be here to stay 😔 )

[fleet wren]

rust mentioned

[devout vault]

Can’t seem to go a week without that crab makings it way into the conversation somewhere

[steel kraken]

partially on-topic but the correct people are here, but doing my first runtime test of .net9 smapi and more stuff exploded than last time I did this with .net7, and part of the uplift was also bumping harmony, and some wild behaviour now exists

looks like if you harmony patch a generic method, it mutates the type arguments now?, so profiler patching the GameContentManager.LoadExact with Texture2D as a placeholder argument is now making some/all content pipeline operations a texture load when it wasn't meant to. After turning off those profiler patches it seemed to be fine

Otherwise it mostly just worked, I also fixed the audio issue, so the only issues I experienced was the Profiler generic patches, Better Friendship shipping a system .NET 6 DLL which blew up as a .NET 9 one was already loaded, and one BETAs transpiler errored out https://smapi.io/log/90bbdfc61fa4471f98be856b41770664

[indigo mist]

Log Info: SMAPI 4.3.2 with SDV 1.6.15 build 24356 on Microsoft Windows 11 Pro, with 195 C# mods and 301 content packs.
Suggested fixes: One or more mods are out of date, consider updating them

[red crest]

var matcher = new CodeMatcher(code, il).End();

matcher.SetOpcodeAndAdvance(OpCodes.Ldarg_1);
matcher.Insert(new CodeInstruction(OpCodes.Ldarg_0), [more instructions here]);

how can this even error

unless Harmony is no longer treating the instructions as a list that can be resized or something... ?

[steel kraken]

its the only harmony patch that errored out and plenty of other patches insert extra instructions

[red crest]

i imagine it has something to do with me going straight to the end

they added a new IsInvalid check to the Insert function, where a CodeMatcher's current position is invalid if it is less than 0 or greater than or equal to the current length of the instructions

that method of determining validity isnt new, but it being applied to Insert (as well as some various others) is

so you just cant add directly onto the end of an instruction list anymore, i guess

[steel kraken]

When my computer stops hating itself I'll see if I can breakpoint in and get extra info

[red crest]

im pretty sure thats what it is, since the exception thrown lines up, from this commit in their april release

[steel kraken]

poor SSD

[red crest]

1.2mbs, blazing fast

[hushed raven]

How speedy, fitting for the person who made speedy solutions

looks like you should make a windows drive read/write optimiser

[steel kraken]

its the disk being on fire and thermal throttling, but rather than fixing it I'm going to do a pc rebuild instead but keep procrastinating on it

guess it wants to more ensure correctness and not have people overriding the ret, inserting after where the ret originally was, and putting a ret back in again

[red crest]

but thats exactly what i wanna doooo

(out of pure inertial laziness of not wanting to change what currently works anyway, since i know functionally its exactly the same if i just add my stuff before the ret and dont overwrite it)

[steel kraken]

your way moves all the labels that are on the ret to be on your ldarg1

[red crest]

if someones jumping to the ret i dont want them to skip my stuff

[steel kraken]

is there a reason why you even did it as a transpiler and not a postfix

[red crest]

needed the local

it's got the list of drops that were chosen that I use in the trigger

[uncut seal]

figured out how to change the font on my site

[safe dragon]

oh no

too much power

(I love it)

[prisma flume]

i didn't address this at the time, but sitting in a more ergonomic arrangement is just reducing the negative effects of sitting down all day. moving from sitting to standing is supposed to be far better for your posture, flexibility, circulation, and managing the resulting strain and tension

so i read and hear anyway

[dusty pollen]

yesterday standing up made my heart rate reach 135 and my blood pressure reach 160/100 I will stick to sitting--

[cinder karma]

I hear the data is mixed

All the damn data is mixed

Who is mixing the data

[safe dragon]

[cinder karma]

(Fwiw I mostly see the following

1. Standing doesnt matter work out instead
2. Working out doesn't matter stand instead
3. It's all irrelevant you'll just die eventually)

I dont have a standing desk at woek but I do kneel at my desk

[sand frost]

I have a standing/sitting desk but I only sit

When I pass a certain threshold of “standing in one place time” my feet hurt like blazes and I just don’t want that in my life

The threshold is on the order of 1 hr

I do have 3 different kinds of chair so I bounce around between them and that really helps with back pain

(The normal office chair, the comfy chair I added, and the “conversing with students” chairs)

I also got one of the foot rocky things but I’m skeptical

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS4Wbp8azNJiHDox16p60QOzQZf4VDaxVN5gcubLnClJ_W_EbZROKD6ReM&s=10

It does rock back and forth I just don’t know if that actually helps me feet

[prisma flume]

that's why you then sit down 😌 and stand again when you feel

[cinder karma]

Foot strength is something I need to train again after 1 year no running and I'm sad

[sand frost]

I haven’t run for 0 minutes in the last year but I haven’t ever ran for more than 30 minutes in a row in the last year

And usually it’s under 5 and because I’m late to something on the other side of campus

[cinder karma]

It's not really a thing tbh until the 1hr mark but at some point even my feet get tired

[devout vault]

Meanwhile, me, with my foot hurting the moment I step out bed

(It gets a bit better after I’m up for a bit, to be fair)

[sand frost]

for me walking and running actually hurts my feet waaaaay less than standing

i do walk around at work bc i have to go from office to classroom to lab etc, and that doens't hurt my feet

[devout vault]

There’s a reason I prefer pacing rather than standing.

But of course walking around just redirects it to my lungs instead.

[sand frost]

no pain no gain? xD

[devout vault]

It’s like I’m incredibly out of shape or something!

[sand frost]

you could take small walks

isn't now a good time of year for weather?

i keep thinking i should take walks as a break at work but then i don't

[cinder karma]

The weather is so nice

Might schedule another run this afternoon

[devout vault]

Ha, you’re hilarious

Weather is nice out lately though

It’s currently 66 F

.wolfram 66 f in c

[heavy dagger]

18.89 °C (degrees Celsius)

[devout vault]

(For our metric residents)