as opposed to when there are authors, in which case it's impossible to trust them
#programmers-off-topic
dusty pollen
safe dragon
can't even trust myself
safe dragon
damn I do this all time
granite rampart
I've been switching over to Linux and here's an odd battle to fight. The SMAPI window doesn't seem to respect my DPI-scaling (so the window and text are super tiny). I also can't copy/paste like I can in a regular xterm and I think the verbose text is black-on-black or something. (All I get is newlines when a verbose message should be spewed). I think I'm holding it upside down or something.
pliant snow
The SMAPI window should be using your default terminal I would've thought
granite rampart
That's certainly how I feel about it. But there's like 3 different means of setting DPI in XWindows. But is it even an xterm if copy/paste don't work?
I mean I can look with 'ps' and see that it's xterm, but no copy/paste? wth?
worn remnant
dangerously on-topic, but SMAPI the script that launches SMAPI checks for compatible terminals in a specific order, and xterm is first on the list
xterm is old and quite minimal and the only copy-paste i know it supports is the classic linux kind (selecting text copies it; middle-click pastes). that may be difficult to get to play nicely with whatever other copy-paste paradigm your desktop supports or expects
steel kraken
if [ "$SMAPI_PREFER_TERMINAL_NAME" != "" ]; then
PREFER_TERMINAL_NAME=$SMAPI_PREFER_TERMINAL_NAME
fi
...
# if user said preferred terminal
if [ "$PREFER_TERMINAL_NAME" != "" ]; then
export TERMINAL_NAME=$PREFER_TERMINAL_NAME
else
# select terminal (prefer xterm for best compatibility, then known supported terminals)
for terminal in xterm gnome-terminal kitty terminator xfce4-terminal konsole terminal termite alacritty mate-terminal x-terminal-emulator wezterm; do
if command -v "$terminal" 2>/dev/null; then
export TERMINAL_NAME=$terminal
break;
fi
done
fi
Ah, I think what you mean is that 'bash' is the thing that's doing the shift-ctrl-c == copy thing, not xterm itself.
worn remnant
i am not intimately familiar with bash's many functions, but i don't think that keystroke is one of them
steel kraken
The SMAPI window should be using your default terminal I would've thought
the problem is that I dont think smapi has a way to actually know what the default terminal is (if there is even a concept of default), and that its usually steam running the shell script
worn remnant
the closest i know of to the concept of a default terminal is x-terminal-emulator, which debian-adjacent distros typically maintain as a symlink to some terminal of choice
steel kraken
windows skips all this together as windows does have a system level primitive for defining default terminal and is happy to spawn a new terminal when steam launches stardewmoddingapi.exe
granite rampart
Sounds like what I need to do is luck onto a day when one of the folks that runs linux full-time is on and ask how they configured PREFER_TERMINAL_NAME
steel kraken
pick your poison based on which of these does what you need
https://github.com/Pathoschild/SMAPI/blob/develop/src/SMAPI.Installer/assets/unix-launcher.sh#L140-L179
the fact that there are 6 different ways to launch the terminal inheriting cwd and pass all arguments along, is kinda concerning
but hey, thats linux fragmentation for you
lethal walrus
Modrinth doesn't seem to realise some of us don't make dollars per month, I was very surprised to see $61 at first
dusty pollen
there's a known issue with steam not playing along with preferred terminals on linux
pliant snow
Ah, I think what you mean is that 'bash' is the thing that's doing the shift-ctr...
That would be set by the terminal, not your shell
cinder karma
Shift ctrl c is often copy because ctrl c is kill
ivory shadow
Modrinth doesn't seem to realise some of us don't make dollars per month, I was ...
Modrinth didn't even include a symbol in mine. (I got a whole $0.05, yay... not sure why that translated into "5")
marble jewel
Khloe over here flaunting her wealth
cinder karma
To be fair. You did make $61 and then it was automatically converted to your home currency
ivory shadow
I'm curious how many views / downloads you need to get that much on Modrinth.
lethal walrus
Modrinth didn't even include a symbol in mine. (I got a whole $0.05, yay... not ...
I didn't get a symbol when I opened the email either but for some reason I did in the preview
marble jewel
Does your email do AI generated previews?
lethal walrus
no, its just the first however many characters
ivory shadow
Mystery solved: ```
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi KhloeLeclair,
The $5 earned during July 2025 has been processed and is now available to w=
ithdraw from your account.```
The plain text version of the email just has a $ even though it's completely wrong
marble jewel
The only way they can make it right is by giving everyone what the email said
ivory shadow
Don't bankrupt the poor Curseforge alternative
devout vault
// void* library = 0x0000011bd293b808
var huh0 = library;
// huh0 = 0x0000011bfcd0acd0
Would someone like to explain to me what the heck is going on here
(C#)
Further void* someVar = huh0; match huh0
And library is actually a private static field
But like... what???
static void* meow;
meow = library;
void* huh1 = meow;
var huh2 = huh1;
// static void* library = 0x000001b5817eb720
// meow = 0x000001b581433458
// huh1 = 0x000001b5aae7e270
// huh2 = 0x000001b5aae7e270
Seriously, is .net drunk????
safe dragon
Modrinth didn't even include a symbol in mine. (I got a whole $0.05, yay... not ...
I blame Javascript
ivory shadow
Modrinth's backend is Rust 🙂
safe dragon
I blame Javascript
speaking of handling money
it annoys me that almost no programming languages have a built-in decimal type
only floats
which are trash for financial processing
ivory shadow
safe dragon
the workaround is often to store the amount in cents but that's not really always viable
cinder karma
Modrinth's backend is Rust 🙂
I'm liking it better already
cinder karma
the workaround is often to store the amount in cents but that's not really alway...
How is it not viable?
safe dragon
gets messy if you support different currencies with a different number of cents or have to work with partial cents like you do for interest
ivory shadow
Though, the problem seems more to be... whatever this is? lol https://github.com/modrinth/code/blob/7eace32d9360be54d85481f12dca8b7bb61ed802/apps/labrinth/migrations/20250916171700_payout-values-available-notification.sql#L38
lethal walrus
Amount is stored as a float so it should've worked? https://github.com/modrinth/code/blob/main/apps%2Flabrinth%2Fsrc%2Fmodels%2Fv2%2Fnotifications.rs
Why would you multiply ot by 100 and then force it into 2 decimals ?? https://github.com/modrinth/code/blob/main/apps%2Flabrinth%2Fsrc%2Fqueue%2Femail%2Ftemplates.rs#L562
worn remnant
rounding, or storing as cents/100, perhaps, or both?
devout vault
```cs
static void* meow;
meow = library;
void* huh1 = meow;
var huh2 = huh1;
//...
However, Console.WriteLine prints them all as the same (after casting to IntPtr)
So is the debugger drunk???
Or did IntPTr fix it somehow
Well, I guess I'll just have to assume the debugger can't be trusted for void*
(and probably other pointers)
terse galleon
did you guys hear about this? https://www.404media.co/how-ruby-went-off-the-rails/?ref=daily-stories-newsletter
devout vault
I love AccessViolationException occuring when the only thing between my code and the exception is ntdll/KernelBase
It's so exciting
It makes me want to tear my hair out
(in joy, as you might suspect - who wouldn't enjoy it)
safe dragon
did you guys hear about this? https://www.404media.co/how-ruby-went-off-the-rail...
I had not
ruby is not doin too great huh
Shopify demanded that Ruby Central take full control of the RubyGems GitHub repositories and the bundler and rubygems-update gems, threatening to withdraw funding if Ruby Central did not comply.
Shopify specifically demanded that at least one of the RubyGems maintainers, André Arko, be excluded from returning to the project. André has been working on RubyGems for over a decade and was also one of the founders of Ruby Together, an organization that merged with Ruby Central.
When Ruby Central decided to platform DHH at the final RailsConf, they lost $250,000 USD of annual sponsorship from Sidekiq, and this I understand left them almost entirely dependent on Shopify.
hmmm
I have a slight hunch that Shopify might be pulling the strings
this is why we use C#
can't have a corporate takeover when we're already being controlled and entirely in the hands of microsoft
🙏
devout vault
Interop is so annoying
Seems reasonable (from sharplab)
So why is the function starting here???
(Assuming I understand this matching up to the disasm correctly)
@cinder karma you've talked about C# disasm before, save me
sonic mirage
did you guys hear about this? https://www.404media.co/how-ruby-went-off-the-rail...
No sign-in version: https://archive.is/G1Alk
terse galleon
same weird
terse galleon
crumb sent what’s basically the highlights
safe dragon
though mine came from this https://joel.drapper.me/p/rubygems-takeover/
devout vault
Secret backdoor plot by Australia
(y'all saw them wanting to go after GitHub recently, I assume?)
safe dragon
all our fanfics will now be deleted by shopify
terse galleon
with four easy installments on klarna you can unlock the next chapter of this fic
devout vault
what the heck did I do, why am I seeing the jit
safe dragon
so convenient, debt buy now pay later
devout vault
(Y'all may not care about my interop struggles, but this is programming off topic. Even I have to be topical once in a blue moon)
safe dragon
I want to care but this is so far outside what I know
devout vault
Me too 😔
safe dragon
my C# knowledge ends at reflection basics and expressions
terse galleon
i’d never heard of interop until five seconds ago but i support you
devout vault
To be fair the code crimes I'm currently doing are kinda heinous even by my standards
Like, what am I supposed to do with the information "it crashed while trying to throw an exception"????
devout vault
I mean if people wanted they could, but I certainly won't be
safe dragon
that's a long workday
devout vault
Ah yes, my favorite upcoming anime - "Season 1"
Don't mind me, just downloading driver development sdk stuff to debug my totally normal SDV mod
(somebody save me)
rain apex
Hello I seek crab (rust) help
devout vault
...did VS just crash trying to open the crash dump
rain apex
Is #[cfg(not(any(blahA, blahB)))] valid
devout vault
I don't know if 500 MB is large or small or average for a crash dump
devout vault
Hello I seek crab (rust) help
😔
My feelings about rust (/s)
https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrimspecialedition/mods/1951
(More seriously, I looked at some rust code earlier and was like "is this what non-programmers feel like when they read code")
(The godot rust binding stuff - not to use, just trying to figure out what I'm doing differently. Though to be fair I'm using a PR which doesn't seem to have public examples yet for this particular feature)
(Supposedly people have gotten it working though)
devout vault
...did VS just crash trying to open the crash dump
(It crashed 3 more times. Guess I have to learn windbg after all)
cinder karma
Is `#[cfg(not(any(blahA, blahB)))]` valid
I have no idea but I think no
granite rampart
Last night I asked about what Linux folks do to make their SMAPI console un-bad. Sinz pointed out that there's a bash script that lets you set the preferred terminal and somebody else (sorry, forgot who) said they thought that was busted. I think it's busted too - it looks to me like Steam decides to launch an xterm and I don't see how we can talk it out of that idea. I figure you can't fight city hall and set up this in my .Xresources, and that mostly solves my complaints:
XTerm*faceName: Monospace
XTerm*faceSize: 14
XTerm*background: blue
XTerm*foreground: white
XTerm*cursorColor: green
XTerm*scrollBar: true
XTerm*selectToClipboard: true
XTerm*selectText: true
XTerm*pointerColor: yellow
XTerm*geometry: 100x30
I don't mind globally setting my XTerm characteristics because, other than Steam, I don't have XTerm installed at all in my Mint-distro.
dusty pollen
like I said yesterday, there's a known issue with setting the preferred terminal on certain distros for steam
rain apex
Last night I asked about what Linux folks do to make their SMAPI console un-bad....
i do this
exec env SMAPI_USE_CURRENT_SHELL=true "$2"/StardewValley
well, where $2 is full path to the launch script
it just makes smapi not open new term so whatever term u have will be it
granite rampart
Right, and you launch from a command-line rather than from, say, the Steam window. Makes sense.
dusty pollen
anything launching from command line would work (including the script version) iirc
rain apex
yea and u do get steam connectivity still
its no different than launch via steam really
worn remnant
yeah i'm reasonably sure steam ships its own xterm and does some level of sandboxing, so when your process is launched by steam it doesn't see any other available terminals
granite rampart
yeah i'm reasonably sure steam ships its own xterm and does some level of sandbo...
That's what I found on my Mint distro.
steel kraken
Normally steam games partially run in their container stuff when running 'natively' on linux, though stardew does opt out of it
cinder karma
I legitimately hate how hard it is to do proper encapsulation in systemverilog
Imagine, that, for whatever reason
If you wanted to use a for loop at compile time
You had to use a field. You could not use a local
This is how system verilog genvar works
devout vault
safe dragon
what's that about
frosty echo
safe dragon
lmao
tbh, been there
no better feeling than starting on something at work that you think is going to be a lot of work and then it turns out it's already basically implemented and you just have to pass a different boolean value as a parameter or something
sonic mirage
it's even better when it's you that had the foresight to implement future support for something
"oh yeah, I already did that"
cinder karma
Has anyone used tbr obsidian kanban or gantt
warm adder
Just wanting to know if anyone has ever used cursedforge for their mods. if so do you like it?
analog pilot
Just wanting to know if anyone has ever used cursedforge for their mods. if so d...
yes really good can make folders with specific mods for each world, used it for mc
warm adder
yes really good can make folders with specific mods for each world, used it for ...
Thank you! I use it for sims4 just wanted to ask before I got to deep into the mods on there!
analog pilot
Thank you! I use it for sims4 just wanted to ask before I got to deep into the m...
np always willing to help a hot gamer mom
sand frost
Just wanting to know if anyone has ever used cursedforge for their mods. if so d...
There are significantly more mods on other platforms, and some authors do not use curseforge on principle. but atra is right, #modded-stardew is the correct channel
fleet wren
(unless they’re not talking about sdv modding)
sand frost
true, i hear it's big for other games
steel kraken
I use curseforge for sims and thats about it, and even sims is extremely fragmented and there is no real update checker at all 🙁
They are big in wow and used to be big in minecraft, and thats pretty much it
cinder karma
Big in wow as showy?
steel kraken
world of warcraft
unity games like the thunderstore/overwolf ecosystem and bethesda many other games live in nexus, and modio is growing for games that want a cross platform mod ecosystem that can be directly integrated into games
devout vault
Aren't they still big in MC?
There's modrinth too, but I feel like curseforge is still the main one
cinder karma
How goes Java crimes, casey?
devout vault
Spooky, last touched in a week ago I think
Not sure if that or current unsafe crimes are worse
cinder karma
Godot, huh
devout vault
Okay, if Godot hates me trying to embed something else in it... what if I embed MonoGame into Godot (by loading SMAPI from C# the same way SMAPI loads SDV)?
It would require players to launch a separate program for this, though...
pliant snow
I think they throw you in prison for that
steel kraken
load something that loads something that loads something that loads
cinder karma
Sounds like how cadence works
terse galleon
Creating non-blittable struct constructors...
i swear they're making up words at this point
supple ether
Structs are value types, blittable structs are structs that don't contain any reference-type fields, which makes them contiguous in memory, which means you can treat them as a single memory block. Blitting is the process of copying a block of memory into a buffer, originally in the context of graphics. (short for Block Image Transfer)
Not sure what constructors have to do with it?
terse galleon
Where is this?
i downloaded a mod for kingdom two crowns
devout vault
> Creating non-blittable struct constructors...
i swear they're making up words ...
<insert snarky commenta about all words being made up>
sand frost
i downloaded matlab 2025 and they added copilot
my first google after that: "how to remove copilot matlab"
also they changed how things look, which is clearly a crime
never mind that i'd been using matlab 2021 before this
heavy daggerBOT
New quote added by atravita as #6662 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1423498746523815976)
cinder karma
Our work tools has moved things around again
sand frost
how dare they personally insult you like that
devout vault
also they changed how things look, which is clearly a crime
me upgrading from iOS 18 to iOS 26 earlier today
(Auto update was already on, I just was stuck on 18 from before I got a new phone a couple years ago it seems)
uncut seal
I really don't like Matlab, it's one of the few pieces software that can't find my discrete GPU for some reason, and it just freezes for no reason when I'm editing code pretty often. I started just doing Matlab in VSCode, but I haven't had to run it from this yet, so I don't know how it's gonna go.
devout vault
I don’t like Matlab because array indices start at 1
(And it just felt awkward to use)
safe dragon
I don't like Matlab because I don't know it and the unknown scares me
devout vault
Also fair
There are two types of people: Matlab haters, and people who are deluding themselves
worn remnant
I don’t like Matlab because array indices start at 1
i did not have opinions on matlab before but i sure have them now (negative ones)
crystal wren
cinder karma
Smh
heavy daggerBOT
New quote added by atravita as #6664 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1423654587948208274)
cinder karma
Matlab packaging is fucky
devout vault
.s/packaging//
safe dragon
unpacking
sand frost
I’m okay with Matlab
It works fine and is easy for people to do some basic data analysis with little to no coding skills
cinder karma
Numpy
cinder karma
Seaborn
sand frost
Seaborn?
cinder karma
seaborn: statistical data visualization — seaborn 0.13.2 documentation https://share.google/wVdP142dxHndOkh3H
sand frost
Interesting…
uncut seal
there's a reason why Industrial Engineers use python for data stuff
sand frost
some of them do...some of them use matlab 
devout vault
Mostly cursed idea of the day: As much as everybody would absolutely abhor the idea of quizzes to make sure you paid attention to ads, it would be very funny to weaponize that to force people into learning reading comprehension (or... watching comprehension, I guess?)
cinder karma
This is basically how consumer surveys work
cinder karma
I wasn't gonna do a scary Halloween name but this one is too good to not do
devout vault
Can't have miscalculated tax bills if you don't do your taxes 
pliant snow
safe dragon
fleet wren
Can't have miscalculated tax bills if you don't do your taxes <:SDVpuffercool:28...
me ignoring the men in dark shades knocking on my door to continue jamming to Takedown - KPop Demon Hunters (Soundtrack from the Netflix Film) - © 2025 Republic Records, a division of UMG Recordings, Inc.
cinder karma
Y'all are talking about not paying taxes at all and I'm like "gosh I need to do math about long term capital gains taxes"
lethal walrus
Surprisingly losing power mid Ubuntu version update doesn't break everything
Aside from the fact it now takes 30 seconds to load the html of Google.com
safe dragon
fun fact I just found out about...
Gabe Newell owns a custom yacht manufacturing company and is one of our clients at work
honestly did not see that coming
lethal walrus
i didnt know he owned a yacht company
safe dragon
neither did I
lethal walrus
i knew he had a yacht but not a yacht company
safe dragon
he bought it 2 months ago
they're building an absolutely gigantic one for him rn
I've used data for his ship when testing before
I'm shook
safe dragon
oh yeah no oceanco only does the fanciest of yachts
Gabe's superyacht is larger than the entire street I grew up in
pliant snow
Surprisingly losing power mid Ubuntu version update doesn't break everything
The updates typically download the new files, then just copy them over into place, which doesn't take too long if they're on the same drive. I think you'd have a very small window of losing power to really cause issues
lethal walrus
that's good to know
safe dragon
sounds like a challenge
devout vault
Would someone please tell pizza hut that their login thing does not work on firefox
(It would just reloads the page and makes you log in again, forever)
lethal walrus
does it work if you spoof the user agent?
devout vault
No clue
I don't care enough to try
"it's not hard, are you that lazy"
yes, yes I am
marble jewel
Pizza Hut ain't worth it. Maybe another pizza joint, but not the hut
cinder karma
Who is Gabe Newell and should I care
lethal walrus
steam ceo
marble jewel
I find it funny that I saw the name @cinder karma typing before I saw the profile image or previous message, but I knew immediate who it would be
cinder karma
Am I that predictable
marble jewel
Gabe Newell is just some guy who used to work for Microsoft. No big deal.
devout vault
Pizza Hut ain't worth it. Maybe another pizza joint, but not the hut
Well I guess I have trash taste. 😛
I'm not saying it's exquisite or anything. But for pizza, I actually prefer it over dominos. I think because of the sauce.
marble jewel
This is more of a regional choice, but my go to is Round Table Pizza
devout vault
(For dominos I mainly like the mac and cheese, and the stuffed cheesy bread - though the stuffed parmesan crust is really good though)
cinder karma
You know well enough my opinion on Pizza Hut
safe dragon
pizza hut managed to go bankrupt twice in the Netherlands so they're gone
devout vault
...twice????
marble jewel
Another important detail about Gabe Newell is that he's deathly afraid of the number three
cinder karma
Yes
devout vault
Another important detail about Gabe Newell is that he's deathly afraid of the nu...
Speaking of valve and releasing things, I've been enjoying watching the valve deckard subreddit for speculation on that release
marble jewel
devout vault
My favorite predictions+reasoning behind them:
It's like pre-release silksong but smaller scale
sand frost
Well I guess I have trash taste. 😛
I'm not saying it's exquisite or anything. ...
I’ve been alright with dominos after their rebrand circa 2019 ngl
I had to swear off pizza for a while after eating papa John’s with the kiddos every Sunday for like 2 years
But I feel like I’m back to liking pizza
I get free pizza every Friday for lunch at work
I admit I do go for the ricotta spinach pizza usually
Which is not exactly dominos kind of pizza
cinder karma
I paid $2.53 for pizza hut Wednesday dinner and wasn't impressed
rain apex
I never played a VR game b4
cinder karma
I didn't knoe VR games existed
rain apex
It's probably just cus the kind of games I like are unlikely to be VR-fied
sand frost
Except Stardew 😛
rain apex
Secret casey crimes notwithstanding 
sand frost
Depending on Casey crimes
safe dragon
I've never tried VR before
rain apex
And money i guess
safe dragon
it always seemed like a hassle with glasses
sand frost
I think it would make me dizzy
safe dragon
it tends to do that apparently
devout vault
Secret casey crimes notwithstanding <:medlook:472202475915706368>
still considering doing a game instead since it seems I'll probably have to commission all the assets anyways
devout vault
it always seemed like a hassle with glasses
Most VR headsets include a spacer you can attach for being able to use glasses with it.
There's also prescription lenses, if you know it's something you'll like
devout vault
I think it would make me dizzy
Yeah there's a lot of variance and factors for this. Like some people are prone to it no matter what, but even games that otherwise play the same it can very depending on how they implemented things
fleet wren
you can get used to it. I nearly vomited playing my first VR game and now I can rocket jump in it
still can't play racing games though, which is ironic because VR's use case is like 80% racing games
devout vault
Like, framerate too low? Problems.
Not rendering at the correct position for where the headset will be by the time that frame shows up on the headset? Problems.
Moving fast (via controller input or something) without something like the vignette thing done these days? Believe it or not, problems (probably)
steel kraken
I’ve been alright with dominos after their rebrand circa 2019 ngl
Fun fact, my former technical manager is currently the global head of software engineering for dominos, and despite being an American multinational, they run the software team out of Australia
devout vault
(And yes, the prediction thing is important - I noticed a significant difference for it with me when passing 0 vs. doing the calculation they suggest here: https://github.com/ValveSoftware/openvr/wiki/IVRSystem::GetDeviceToAbsoluteTrackingPose )
cinder karma
Fun fact, my former technical manager is currently the global head of software e...
Do u get free pizza
steel kraken
He is my former technical manager, he left and then joined dominos
And afaik he joined dominos as that title
cinder karma
Look up to a few years ago I had nearly uncapped Dropbox space because i used to know people who worked for Dropbox
devout vault
Is a Former Technical Manager an advising position for the current Technical Manager
supple ether
It's probably just cus the kind of games I like are unlikely to be VR-fied
Have you ever played subnautica in vr? It's really bad lol
Legitimately the worst vr experience I've ever had, and that's including the incredibly nauseating 3d waterslide video I watched on YouTube
devout vault
I wonder if any of the mods make it better
supple ether
The biggest issues were the fucked up loading screen and the fact that you still had to use either a regular controller or keyboard and mouse with the headset, and action context was based on where you were looking
Or I guess more accurately where your head was pointed
devout vault
Sounds like standard early-VR-era stuff
supple ether
Also it didn't have teleporting
devout vault
...to be fair I'm not sure how you'd teleport in the water
supple ether
Sounds like standard early-VR-era stuff
Yeah except it came out way later lol
devout vault
I guess they could've just down a "teleport in direction" rather than the usual arcing method
supple ether
Yeah
Or the vrchat thing where you can move your avatar freely in third person and then it just teleports you when you stop moving
devout vault
Your autocorrect is struggling today 😛
supple ether
Or at least support room-scale motion for the headset
devout vault
I've never used vrchat
supple ether
Your autocorrect is struggling today 😛
It's just mobile being mobile
devout vault
<insert my regular rant about keyboard key "hitboxes" changing size based on predictive text>
supple ether
Mine doesn't do that but I use swipe typing which has its own problems
Especially since my writing style is reasonably distinct
supple ether
It never learned my grammar somehow
devout vault
I've never even seen an option to turn it off
(I've certainly looked, at least on ios)
supple ether
Thank goodness discord has that sed shortcut
devout vault
...I should start using that on mobile
supple ether
At least it makes dealing with autocorrect fuckery more bearable
devout vault
I'm super confused by .net right now. (OpaqueEffects is supposed to only be pulling stuff where BlendState==BlendState.Opaque and TranslucidEffects is supposed to get everything else, but it's reversed)
supple ether
Hmmmm
devout vault
(And some of the other properties I want to inspect have [System.Diagnostics.DebuggerBrowsable(System.Diagnostics.DebuggerBrowsableState.Never)]... for some reason)
...Oh
I bet I know why
I forgot I overrode the blend state at one point
sand frost
Casey I got real feverish today and sent you a PR but! I tested it and it works ✨
devout vault
That sounds awfully on topic. 
devout vault
Casey I got real feverish today and sent you a PR but! I tested it and it works ...
Thank you!
(Is that the thing 6480 asked for?)
sand frost
Yuppp
sand frost
That sounds awfully on topic. <:SDVPufferThink:843678442196566027>
Can I defend myself by citing fever 😛
devout vault
Yes
Cool, now I just have to actually merge all the PRs whenever that reminder comes up
(And your PR probably merges automatically since it was created post-repo-reorganization!)
sand frost
Yep! At least that’s what it told me
Here I’ll take us off topic again here’s my dinner
red crest
did you bring enough to share with the class
devout vault
Veggie 😔
sand frost
i love the veggies
prisma flume
Cool, now I just have to actually merge all the PRs whenever that reminder comes...
hello this is your reminder to merge your prs
marble jewel
Uberbot has the reminder 😛
Beep Boop this is your reminder...
cinder karma
if the class is very small
1-2 person class?
cinder karma
Does a 1-2 person class get food?
prisma flume
i come from the future. do not merge the prs. new information has come to light
safe dragon
the PR causes the invention of time travel
dusty pollen
i come from the future. do not merge the prs. new information has come to light
too late, the plan is already under way
devout vault
i come from the future. do not merge the prs. new information has come to light
Uh oh what did you find
(Or are you joking - there’s like 10 PRs, though…)
devout vault
Is finishing the PR stuff the key to moving to a reasonable timeline
Do I need to shift PRs up on my priority list
supple ether
Is it the will of Steins; Gate?
devout vault
I should rewatch that at some point, it was one of my favorite shows in the past
(though I'll skip episode 18 on any rewatches these days)
safe dragon
I have the visual novels on steam
unplayed
it's been over a decade since I watched steins gate I don't have a clue what episode 18 is
oh
it's that one
at the time it was just confusing to me
devout vault
it's been over a decade since I watched steins gate I don't have a clue what epi...
I did have to look it up to be fair
I played both the original VN and steins gate 0
safe dragon
I have them just vibing in my backlog
devout vault
I hear there's a new version coming out vaguely soon ish that people are speculating might have some changes because of stuff from the most recent VN in that franchise. (Anonymous;Code - I haven't played it yet though, so not sure what would be so far reaching about it)
Oh it's a not a remaster it's an outright semi-sequel (at least based on the naming convention compared to the other works)
safe dragon
ah yes steins [old tv debug screen]
I kinda forgot that there's more steins gate than just those 2 vns and the anime
devout vault
at the time it was just confusing to me
Yeah, for me it's just a bit more personal feeling now.
(There's a couple scenes in other episodes I skipped last time I watched too - though not for the same reason)
From what I understand the anime for all the other ones (that have anime versions) kinda suck? (Or so I hear)
And the older VNs seem kinda clunky (mechanically)
devout vault
Oh it's a not a remaster it's an outright semi-sequel (at least based on the nam...
(Okay apparently this is separate from the remake thing)
(It was supposed to release by september 30th supposedly... guess that didn't happen)
safe dragon
can't believe a time traveling VN can't release on time
devout vault
The time travel is in the VN because they couldn't get it working outside the VN
If they could, why not just (re)write the world's history instead? 😛
devout vault
Steam is your recommendation algorithm drunk
cinder karma
Would embedded Godot in stardew allowed the use of rust
devout vault
(Assuming you mean programming language) Yes, but I mean you could do that anyways with some interop stuff couldn't you?
steel kraken
As long as rust has a c style abi then .net already can use it fine (as long as you compile it for all the platforms)
devout vault
Or compile rust to wasm and then run a wasm vm from .net
Who doesn't want more indirection layers?
steel kraken
And .net10 aot compilation let's you go the other way and define c style abi on your .net binary that c and other things can use
devout vault
Huh, really?
Interesting
Still would need compiling per-platform I assume
(Meanwhile, wasm vm approach might not)
steel kraken
devout vault
Huh, does UnmanagedCallersOnly do that even for not-AOT?
prisma flume
prisma flume
Uh oh what did you find
we have to go back
fleet wren
and not my snail sashimi?
sand frost
it's a one line spacecore PR, how bad can it be? 😛
devout vault
adds a single line to the beginning of SpaceCode.Entry, the mod stops working
(the single line would be return;)
sand frost
personally i think 6480 is an innovator
a mad genius currently being underappreciated by blueberry 😛
cinder karma
Startling close to being on topic but every time I research a veggie for Possible Inclusion into Garden, 6480 has already put it into Stardew
devout vault
Nobody ever calls me a mad genius, despite my constant code crimes 😔
severe badge
I'm being attacked for driving humanity forward
lyric bloom
that's one way to look at it
cinder karma
6480 I blame you for the giant Thai basil plant i have
cinder karma
Who the fuck makes the non header version of the cmd the default, cliosoft
Also I have no idea what this f0------ status even means
Screaming
I'm just looking for non-exclusive checkouts loo
cinder karma
Someone tell me how xor is division
Someone please tell me why there are polynomials
devout vault
Fast inverse square root is such a fun thing to learn about
safe dragon
such a shame it is no longer useful
worn remnant
incredible stuff in here too if you like knowing how old games work https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izxXGuVL21o
lethal walrus
why does installing ghostty on ubuntu want to remove ark and settings??
among seemingly the rest of the KDE stuff
oh there's a snap
pliant snow
uh
I've had rough times with Ubuntu suddenly deciding a bunch of libraries weren't required, it's one of the big reasons why I stopped using it
lethal walrus
the only reason i caught it was because i heard of the few days where using pop! os would uninstall the entire DE
safe dragon
I also have had ubuntu try to delete random packages before
lethal walrus
I kind of want to know what would've happened
cinder karma
I have a home machine
safe dragon
unbelievable
dusty pollen
be honest, is it actually a toaster?
steel kraken
the only reason i caught it was because i heard of the few days where using pop!...
That happened to Linus (ltt kind not kernel kind) during one of their linux challenges where the act of installing steam uninstalled the desktop environment
safe dragon
that was a fun one
fleet wren
I read that before the edit and thought for a moment Linus Torvalds was a gamer
it would certainly make his “don’t break userspace” rant more personal
cinder karma
Do we have proof he wasn't
steel kraken
they do have a planned collab Soon™ so will find out
planning on building him the ultimate kernel development machine or something, and maybe other things
dusty pollen
what makes a machine an ultimate kernel development machine
other than being a computer with linux on it
steel kraken
Reliable
safe dragon
a ThinkPad from 2012
steel kraken
and I think they wanted extra pcie lanes to have multiple vendor gpus in it or something
fleet wren
a ThinkPad from 2012
the only correct answer
rain apex
another thing is that u need access to multiple architechture so
just pay for cloud or smth
fleet wren
another thing is that u need access to multiple architechture so
cross compilation is a thing
obviously you still need to test, but that doesn't preclude having a beefy machine to compile stuff
(is there an ARM machine strong enough to compile ARM Linux in a reasonable timeframe)
(just realized I pinged whoops)
lucid sundial
why does installing ghostty on ubuntu want to remove ark and settings??
cough
amen.
arch. btw.
sigma.
yeah id wanna vomit after saying that, but i am indeed an arch user...for actual productivity, not showcasing a window manager and a cool dot file for my fastfetch (cause its coded in C!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
I just Arch + XFCE for laptop, and Arch + KDE Plasma 6.3 for main PC
Arch has been great, love pacman
Ubuntu based systems are great too, dont like not having as much control, but its very good
debian..nice...but i dont like it, feel like its kinda not my thing
FreeBSD is the equivalent to wanting to be different
I'm worried if someone uses Tails, what are they hiding?
Parrot OS and that other script kid is also just junk
great for networking but
worn remnant
thinking that people who care about privacy and/or security must be hiding something is dangerous thinking
lucid sundial
thinking that people who care about privacy and/or security must be hiding somet...
ohh nooo not in that way
ive seen someone use Tails + Mullvad VPN + TOR and an insane firewall
and while its fine..its a bit concerning
if you go all out and especially on an encrypted drive
you'd be surprised what you'd find
lucid sundial
thinking that people who care about privacy and/or security must be hiding somet...
for me personally i use windows 10 enterprise and
linux
linux cause i think its super flexible
worn remnant
if you go all out and especially on an encrypted drive
doing so is not evidence of malfeasance
lucid sundial
doing so is not evidence of malfeasance
it isnt, nor am I saying they are
but you know very well what I mean, lol
worn remnant
i'm struggling to understand how you have not said that
lucid sundial
hey ichor, dont take what i said personally, it seems you are
just saying, its my own opinion
if you disagree its fine, right or wrong, im just stating what ive observed
anyways, those are my views and opinions on the OS's out on Linux! 
marble jewel
I value privacy, but mostly to the extent that I don't "feed the machine"
Personalized advertisements are sometimes creepy
Like I think about buying boots, not even search for them online at all, and somehow I start seeing ads
lucid sundial
I value privacy, but mostly to the extent that I don't "feed the machine"
i value privacy as well, I use firefox + ublock + canbas blocker and url cleaner as well as a vpn!
marble jewel
Maybe the reason I thought about buying boots is that the idea was implanted in me, and that thought is unsettling
lucid sundial
though i believe, and im entitled to my opinion, that if you are going insanely far as in disk encryption (totally fine by itself) with TOR + Tails + Large firewall + Mullvad and some very strange stuff on your PC, thats when its not about privacy but more about possibly other issues
or, just script kiddos, i've seen those too, and its fine
lucid sundial
Maybe the reason I thought about buying boots is that the idea was implanted in ...
whats boots?
terse galleon
i don't think it's great practice to insinuate that any personal habits indicate the hiding of a serious crime
steel kraken
I'm of mixed views of personalized advertisements.
On the one hand, if I have to see advertisements at least make them relevant to me, I don't need hiking gear advertisements
on the other hand, the data collection process required to power the beast is also being used for other purposes which is not fun
marble jewel
This was awhile ago and I ended up getting two pairs of boots - Red Wing and Carhartt
lucid sundial
i don't think it's great practice to insinuate that any personal habits indicate...
where i work, its my job! though, its my own opinion at the end of the day, so im fine with it
lucid sundial
I'm of mixed views of personalized advertisements.
On the one hand, if I have to...
i dont like ads
marble jewel
I work for a company that builds products based off data collection, and from this side of things, I think it's pretty creepy
steel kraken
If you aren't doing disk encryption on a portable device you are doing security malpractice.
on a desktop system for personal use you might get away with it, but the overhead isn't that big of a deal
lucid sundial
If you aren't doing disk encryption on a portable device you are doing security ...
i was talking about how encryption for disk is great as standalone!
very important for PC's
lucid sundial
If you aren't doing disk encryption on a portable device you are doing security ...
if a company doesnt then thats scary
they need encryption
if you got a lower-spec device..typically fine
since CPU is bottleneck for lower-end devices
or just IO in general, possibly eMMC or HDD
steel kraken
even for personal use, a laptop without encrypted at rest disk just requires minimal time to power off the device, unscrew the drive, plug it into a different device and GG
lucid sundial
true true
i got a laptop running arch + XFCE + chicago95, its nice, though its specs are too weak to encrypt
if it encrypts then the system slows down
steel kraken
same story for mobiles, but both ios and android I don't think you can even turn off their encryption at rest
lucid sundial
(its an intel celeron! 😭 )
lucid sundial
same story for mobiles, but both ios and android I don't think you can even turn...
interesting! never really delved into that aspect of encryption, mainly on phones
lucid sundial
even for personal use, a laptop without encrypted at rest disk just requires min...
What device do you use?
I mean OS mb
for laptop/pc
steel kraken
win11 dev channel insider builds
steel kraken
sure, though this PC is haunted due to the fact the main drive is always at like 70c so a light breeze freezes the system if anything makes C drive work for more than 100ms
I've had the parts for a new PC for the last like 6 months but haven't gotten around to building it as I need someone to come over to keep my cat company so I can build it without hair in the socket
lucid sundial
sure, though this PC is haunted due to the fact the main drive is always at like...
dont even need to go to a haunted mansion to get the spooks
lucid sundial
I've had the parts for a new PC for the last like 6 months but haven't gotten ar...
ooof
whats the specs of ur main pc? and ur new one u gonna build soon? if u wanna share : D
i love tech
steel kraken
current is AMD ryzen 9 5950x w/ 128gb ram and a RTX3090
upgrade will go to an AMD ryzen 9 9950x3d w/ 128gb ram and the graphics card will jump over
lucid sundial
current is AMD ryzen 9 5950x w/ 128gb ram and a RTX3090
upgrade will go to an AM...
....128gb ram?
i envy.
lucid sundial
current is AMD ryzen 9 5950x w/ 128gb ram and a RTX3090
upgrade will go to an AM...
yeah and i thought my pc was a flex, thats going to be insane
love the specs!!
steel kraken
steel kraken
no ramdisks
lucid sundial
whats clogging the RAM?
wow thats a huge cache, too, that system is probably insanely fast
is this ddr3?
no no its prob ddr4
steel kraken
~26gb is virtual machines, no idea how much WSL is taking currently
8.3gb for personal msedge, 3gb for visual studio, 2gb for vscode, 1.3gb for work msedge, and other stuff.
hard to fully tell where it all goes, task manager never really feels like it adds up to the total
lucid sundial
~26gb is virtual machines, no idea how much WSL is taking currently
8.3gb for pe...
dangg nice
I'd trade my 32gb ddr5 for 128gb ddr4
thats insane lol
steel kraken
this is a ddr4 system, upgrade will be to same capacity for much faster ddr5
lucid sundial
dang
pliant snow
Have you considered shutting off the VMs
steel kraken
but then I have to turn them back on again and have to wait
dusty pollen
current is AMD ryzen 9 5950x w/ 128gb ram and a RTX3090
upgrade will go to an AM...
have you considered donating some of your ram to those in need of it /j
steel kraken
https://downloadmoreram.com is always there
dusty pollen
the scary part is that just by the title I can’t tell if this is satire, a scam or an actual product
satire, gotcha
devout vault
I’m kinda surprised that’s still up to be honest. It feels like been around as long as the internet itself has
dusty pollen
it's version 2.0 for web 2.0, obviously. version 3.0 will be a crypto rugpull
cinder karma
I saw that new stablecoin regulation and I'm making a sighing face
Full disclosure: I do own some bitcoin now. It isn't enough that I would regret it if it went to 0, and it really isnt enough to move the needle on my investments in any which way but
I guess I figured if the market wanted to be irrational it made as about as much sense as buying gold which I also did
dusty pollen
I saw that new stablecoin regulation and I'm making a sighing face
regulation?
who's attempting to regulate crypto and what did they already mess up
devout vault
Attaching the word stable with totally increase stability, right?
Just like adding current buzzword here AI to any and every product makes it 2500% better
pliant snow
btw I'm now launching StableAI, the first stable large language model in existance
devout vault
Does it run on the blockchain, or is that too old to be included
pliant snow
Aquo LLC denies all involvement in the blockchain or other previously overhyped technologies
devout vault
Only previously overhyped ones?
dusty pollen
stable crypto currencies have such a great track record
I’m gonna call mine something like Tara I think. for no particular reason
dusty pollen
btw I'm now launching StableAI, the first stable large language model in existan...
stable diffusion was right there
cyan shadow
who's attempting to regulate crypto and what did they already mess up
India thought about it but I don't think the RBI made it very far
Mostly because they wanted to turn it into a centralized thing, which defeats the purpose
So instead they created regulations for Binance and such to follow
Addendums to regular business law or something I didn't follow it too closely because it gave me a headache any time I tried
cinder karma
You know, I dont think I've ever spelled "case" backwards correctly once
The first time
Also funny for today
I'm creating a command that checks the soscmd status statement to discard unchanged files and automatically commit the rest
This is because soscmd is stupid, btw
(If you run soscmd ci on an unchanged file it....tells you warning, file is unchanged.)
So what do if the file is not checked in?
Simple. I match against the W in "!! Warning"
pliant snow
cinder karma
Is make spotless a real convention?
worn remnant
afaik there's no convention beyond clean and it's just vibes
i've seen realclean, distclean, probably some others
spotless is new to me but i'm willing to accept it
safe dragon
I don't even know what that means
worn remnant
in my (unasked for) opinion, clean should be the strongest level and if you want partial cleaning you should make lesser ones
worn remnant
I don't even know what that means
there there, it's okay. the olds are talking about makefiles
safe dragon
oh god
all I know about makefiles is that no one I've ever talked to has been positive about them
worn remnant
i'm the most positive towards make and makefiles of anyone i know, tbh
i don't love make but it's perfectly adequate for the types of projects i work on and i find most other build systems too overengineered and inscrutable for my tastes
cinder karma
In my case I'm abusing makefiles for our digital sim environment
And I've discovered yet another set of cachefiles cadence wants to havr
safe dragon
I don't think I've ever really used a "build system" before
unless an azure devops build pipeline counts
cinder karma
That sounds about right
worn remnant
i suspect it counts
safe dragon
but that tends to be like 3 minutes of work and then you don't look at it again for 5 years
worn remnant
that's more or less the same thing as make. the point is to use a program to automate running the commands you would need to type out to compile your shit
make reads a text file (the makefile) to figure out what needs to be done and runs the shell commands within it to produce the output. it's very straightforward
(i'm being a little glib and the various weirdnesses and quirks of make are part of the reason there are so many "better" build systems out there)
safe dragon
azure pipeline can do that though generally you use built in tasks. Like just a task that runs your project's test suite and collects the results
safe dragon
ye
safe dragon
I guess that's a difference. You never run an azure pipeline yourself
that's something for CI/CD
cinder karma
I'm not the only vim in the office but I might be the most obnoxious one
(Obnoxious is defined in lines of .vimrc)
safe dragon
for my actual development I just click a run button in visual studio and maybe also run npm run dev in a terminal for the frontend
if fancy there's some docker compose thing
I've never really had a development process that requires some complex series of steps
marble jewel
Wait, is your development process not deploy to prod and hope everything works?
safe dragon
nah that's the database engineer's workflow already
my old job was a little janky with the development setup tbh because we couldn't really host the databasse locally but we had like 15 developers so the development database was being modified and used by many people simultaneously
you'd be developing something and suddenly behavior changed because someone else changed a setting
honestly it was far less of a problem than you'd think but it was annoying sometimes
if we really needed an environment no one else was touching we had like 8 environments used by the testers and we'd just yoink one
marble jewel
My job has a prod/non-prod database with about 10 releases a day. Given how frequently we need to audit for code drift, things definitely make their way into prod without being tested.
I'm looking right now, there are 396 tables in dev that are not in prod and 44 tables in prod that are not in dev
worn remnant
396 
safe dragon
ok my old job definitely had over 44 but still
marble jewel
It's because people create table_20250101 table_version2 table_... during development
safe dragon
my old job had what must be well over a hundred databases. Every single client we had had their own test, acceptance and production instances. Releases were made once a month and were given names
marble jewel
table_lefauxmatt
safe dragon
the client environments were never touched by us directly just by the CI/CD pipelines
ok barring some debugging sometimes but we'd move to a test environment the moment we knew how to reproduce it
marble jewel
Our prod environments are gated by a PR with a principal reviewer, and a release pipeline by a Product Manager, but for most people it's a rubber stamp without any actual review
Yes, I can see you wrote code. Good enough for me.
marble jewel
This is my assumption at least given how many blocking releases we've had to deal with. i.e. a release causing failure and blocks all other releases until its fixed
safe dragon
even if the devs were slacking for the review, a tester still had to release it to a test environment, verify it worked as described and approve it
the dev database was a funky land with us directly ALTERing to our heart's content
marble jewel
It's gotten better though. The last time I see that happening was about 2 weeks ago, but it used to be multiple times per week.
safe dragon
hundreds of stored procedures
now life is quiet and simple
the projects I work on are worked on only by myself
I push directly to master even
sometimes
marble jewel
That's illegal /j
safe dragon
I'm doing all the things I was told to never do
heavy daggerBOT
New quote added by atravita as #6673 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1425165816147476671)
marble jewel
Is being quoted like being tagged? Am I "it" now?
safe dragon
yes
worn remnant
atra quote-reacting one of your posts is the official metric of coolness
cinder karma
atra quote-reacting one of your posts is the official metric of coolness
Given how naturally uncool i am....
safe dragon
How are you doing?
tired
but it's a good day
reaching the end of my first year at the company and just got the draft for my indefinite contract today and it seems good
so I'll be signing soon
devout vault
Anyways I'm feeling murderous about source control today
You have inherited my burden now that I no longer have to deal with perforce 🙏
safe dragon
as someone who has never used anything except git I don't even really know what these other systems could be doing
pliant snow
I used mercurial for a course. It was fine
safe dragon
that doesn't really say that much
I've used a google drive folder for courses and it worked out fine
worn remnant
mercurial is, in my memory, broadly comparable to git:
- dvcs
- written in python (i.e. slow)
- cli somewhat less arcane (there is no satirical mercurial man page generator)
various words are used differently (esp. tag and branch) but generally it does the same job and (i think it is generally agreed) not quite as well
but it is Fine and it is very much better than certain other systems (cvs, svn, others)
cinder karma
Did obsidian just add databases
safe dragon
the markdown editor?
lethal walrus
yes, they added fancy tables
safe dragon
huge
lethal walrus
safe dragon
at what point is it no longer markdown but just a custom obsidian file format
lethal walrus
the bases are yaml
safe dragon
they say the tables are saved as markdown still but what does that look like since you're not actually editing markdown anymore at this piont
does it just look like a normal markdown table
lethal walrus
the contents of the files in the table are markdown
the table is generated by the yaml's instructions
also oo properties look cool
oh so that's how custom css normally works, i had just been using it to make notes wider
fleet wren
(first time hearing of obsidian) darn, I had hoped that they rolled their own version of a table syntax instead of the frankly rather terrible unofficial defacto standard one
but I suppose too many people are using it
lethal walrus
its not bad since there's a wysiwg table editor
cinder karma
as someone who has never used anything except git I don't even really know what ...
A lot of the other ones are trying to solve the binary blob problem
cinder karma
You have inherited my burden now that I no longer have to deal with perforce 🙏
I think i inheritance my own burden. We used to be in svn
fleet wren
it's funny how git and mercurial were created within a couple days of each other, for the same reason
like how there's two ramen places near my place opening within a couple blocks of each other, within a couple months
safe dragon
I have like 7 sushi places near my house and 0 ramen places anywhere in the city
messed up
fleet wren
that is unfortunate
we have two ramen and two sushi places
that wasnt meant to be a brag if it sounded like one
devout vault
Well, we have a Pizza Hut and a Domino’s practically across the street from each other.
Can’t beat that
Such fine dining in such close proximity is practically unheard of
fleet wren
goodness, my college past self who subsisted on friday night dominos would have been jealous
current me is also jealous
devout vault
college self? For me it was as recent as 6 months ago self that did weekly pizza orders
cinder karma
I'm very sad there isnt good dumpster diving or free food opportunities anymore
I'm very much a free food feral
devout vault
I'm very sad there isnt good dumpster diving or free food opportunities anymore
I'm very sad there isnt good dumpster diving [...] anymore
Okay, raccoon
marble jewel
My college-aged self dated someone who worked at a Pizza Hut, and I was able to get free pizza. That was the best thing about that relationship.
cinder karma
I'm pretty glad I made the executive decision that I was too mentally unstable to date in college
I could have made so many bad decisions I didnt
(I was forbidden from dating in HS.)
dusty pollen
> I'm very sad there isnt good dumpster diving [...] anymore
Okay, raccoon
is this how atra ended up playing stardew. they were secretly the inspiration for linus
cinder karma
I haven't been in the community for that long so no
devout vault
Hmm. Were you here pre-trash bear?
cinder karma
Nope!
dusty pollen
how old is trash bear, 1.5?
I played 1.4 but only because I played on ipad before it got brought in line with pc 
devout vault
how old is trash bear, 1.5?
I don't know, the versions are a blur for me at this point
safe dragon
Well, *we* have a Pizza Hut and a Domino’s practically across the street from ea...
no pizza hut in this country but I have a both a domino's and papa johns
devout vault
At this point I sometimes forget 1.6 is when DGA broke
sand frost
trash bear predates me
so it has to be 1.5 or earlier
i first played after 1.5 came out
dusty pollen
I don't know, the versions are a blur for me at this point
I’m pretty sure it is because I remember being introduced to it
devout vault
Wiki says it was 1.4
safe dragon
you'd have thought I'd have figured that over the last (nearly) 10 years
devout vault
Especially with how often we go off (on) topic here
dusty pollen
you would have thought that but atra still doesn’t know what a video game is so I feel like expectations for this channel’s regulars are low /lh
devout vault
I see no sdv
"Game modding"
devout vault
Of course I'm pretending #making-mods-general doesn't exist right this moment because I just got the uberbot reminder ping
devout vault
the only channel in the server with off topic actually in the name
I mean it was basically made as a zone to shoo the modders from talking about off topic programming in the main modding channels so much... so kinda makes sense as far as legacy reasons go
sand frost
ok secretly the problem is that the strangers all talk like middle schoolers there
because they are middle schoolers
and i've met some great middle schoolers but also they are absolute gremlins
even the great ones
safe dragon
some of em are high schoolers
devout vault
even in secret woods idk how that keeps happening
Back in my day, secret woods was for adventurers only
sand frost
also gremlins but working on growing out of it
dusty pollen
I've even BEEN a middle school aged person
devout vault
Average server member: "what's an adventurer"
You wouldn't understand 😔
heavy daggerBOT
New quote added by atravita as #6674 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1425245193774305300)
sand frost
middle school is like the perfect storm age
old enough to cause real trouble, not old enough to have impulse control
devout vault
ok secretly the problem is that the strangers all talk like middle schoolers the...
I mean I've got the maturity of a middle schooler, so...
safe dragon
back in my day secret woods required the shepherd role and was something a moderator had to give you
sand frost
I mean I've got the maturity of a middle schooler, so...
i promise you do not lmao
i've never had to tell you to stop hitting your sibling in the middle of class
devout vault
back in my day secret woods required the shepherd role and was something a moder...
Huh, I don't remember the shepherd role.
Though to be fair I'm not sure I even paid attention to #bulletin-board back when I first joined
safe dragon
you have the shepherd role smh (though a different one)
devout vault
i've never had to tell you to stop hitting your sibling in the middle of class
remains silent
(/s, we've only ever done verbal harassment)
cinder karma
you would have thought that but atra still doesn’t know what a video game is so ...
Atra is very dumb
dusty pollen
Atra is very dumb
atra is objectively not
cinder karma
Very, very dumb
safe dragon
the shepherd role I'm referring to is from like, 9 years ago
dusty pollen
just a bit of a nuisance, that's all
devout vault
Back in my day, modding congregated on a separate server entirely! (RIP SMAPI discord server)
I mean I did join the server the year it came out I think
I had released the multiplayer mod before the end of that year
(though I didn't actually join here until pathos told me they made a MP mod channel)
(That's right, I'm the only modder who has ever had a dedicated channel for their mod on maincord)
safe dragon
I remember the multiplayer mod releasing. It's the last time I've paid attention to mods
dusty pollen
I had released the multiplayer mod before the end of that year
Casey, breaking the limits of stardew since (?)
devout vault
I remember the multiplayer mod releasing. It's the last time I've paid attention...
Okay I know it was buggy, but bad enough to turn you off mods entirely??????? (/s, hopefully)
safe dragon
lmao I never tried it
devout vault
Casey, breaking the limits of stardew since (?)
We didn't even have harmony patching back then
dusty pollen
I remember the multiplayer mod releasing. It's the last time I've paid attention...
you heard of the crimes and washed your hands of the whole thing
sand frost
This explains a lot about how many dark arts you know
devout vault
"How did you override functions back then, then?"
You didn't.
Well, until I found this: https://github.com/spacechase0/SpaceCore_SDV/blob/master/Utilities/Hijack.cs
But I don't think anyone else ever used that method
safe dragon
meanwhile I hadn't even had my algorithms class when that multiplayer mod released
smh
devout vault
This is how we became aware of harmony: https://github.com/spacechase0/SpaceCore_SDV/issues/2
dusty pollen
did you make your own harmony..,
devout vault
How many modders here can say they've been told their code "is very dangerous"
devout vault
did you make your own harmony..,
No, I stole the code off of stack overflow like a proper programmer does
sand frost
meanwhile I hadn't even had my algorithms class when that multiplayer mod releas...
I’ve never taken algorithms if that makes you feel better
devout vault
(there's a link to it in hijack.cs I think)
dusty pollen
also did you put spaces around method params? that’s the real crime here
safe dragon
I'll gladly reiterate that y'all do some cursed shit
devout vault
meanwhile I hadn't even had my algorithms class when that multiplayer mod releas...
Neither had I
safe dragon
devout vault
also did you put spaces around method params? that’s the real crime here
I still do this
Fight me
(Habit I picked up from a group project back when I started learning C++)
Also inside [] and <>
It's just difficult when IDE formatting likes to remove that
safe dragon
and that's despite visual studio's formatting being extremely forgiving with keeping whitespace
devout vault
I'll gladly reiterate that y'all do some cursed shit
I try 😊
devout vault
and that's despite visual studio's formatting being extremely forgiving with kee...
I hate a lot of the IDE automatic stuff in general.
Like, automatically making a second quote when I place one
Or matching { though that's just muscle memory problems)
safe dragon
sometimes I miss the C# formatter when I use a really opinionated one and it destroys my nice manually spaced code for readability and turns it into something much worse
devout vault
But the quote thing is annoying since if I want to quote some existing stuff, I can't just place a quote at the beginning and the end. I have to delete on each side as well.
That's a 100% increase in effort, smh
devout vault
sometimes I miss the C# formatter when I use a really opinionated one and it des...
Oh, indentation is another part I hate
Lemme find the old message about it
safe dragon
I hate a lot of the IDE automatic stuff in general.
Like, automatically making ...
and then when you need 2 ) it assumes you're typing over the one they automatically placed instead so you still have to type another one
safe dragon
the fuck
the chaotic evil "tabs and spaces"
tbh practically every editor under the sun replaces tabs with spaces anyway
dusty pollen
casey why
devout vault
if ( meow )
{
var kitty = SomeClass.DoSomething( () =>
{
Console.WriteLine( "need more kitties" );
AnotherClass.DoSomethingElse( () =>
{
Console.WriteLine( "still need more kitties" );
}
} );
}
Or with tab=TTTT and space=S (to make what I want clear)
ifS(SmeowS)
{
TTTTvarSkittyS=SSomeClass.DoSomething(S()S=>
TTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS{
TTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTConsole.WriteLine(S"needSmoreSkitties"S);
TTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTAnotherClass.DoSomethingElse(S()S=>
TTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTT{
TTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTConsole.WriteLine(S"stillSneedSmoreSkitties"S);
TTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTT}
TTTTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS}S);
}
Every one still sneed(s) smore skitties
I can't use that in practice, but it's what I Want.
I do still try, though less strict on {} matching up with the initial column.
(unless other parameters were multilined like that too)
safe dragon
beautiful
devout vault
Can never trust it to be right when copy pasted outside of notepad 😔
(And even that will be gone when they add even more AI stuff, most likely)
prisma flume
developed an eye twitch sending the last spacecore pr
dusty pollen
Or with tab=TTTT and space=S (to make what I want clear)
```cs
ifS(SmeowS)
{
TTT...
why are there tabs on both sides of the spaces…
devout vault
developed an eye twitch sending the last spacecore pr
Yeah and you didn't even make it auto mergeable, smh. (please ignore the comment that is conveniently blurred out for no particular reason)
devout vault
@dusty pollen second sentence
dusty pollen
hatred
devout vault
shrugs
.choose go do more code crimes, be responsible and listen to the uber bot reminder in making mods
heavy daggerBOT
Choose result: go do more code crimes
devout vault
Hooray
(Actually I have a chore I need to do first, so that’ll be in like 5-10 minutes)
Okay, code crime time
Thanks uber
devout vault
Anyways, to be properly offtopic:
Anyone want to play Factorio Valley?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2451100/Little_Rocket_Lab/
heavy daggerBOT
Title result: Save 25% on Little Rocket Lab on Steam
pliant snow
oh I think I follow the artist who worked on this, I recognize this
devout vault
After the 3d mod I'll turn Moon Misadventures into Space Misadventures and add that as a feature
How's that
(Obviously, full support for 3d mod)
devout vault
(Obviously, full support for 3d mod)
(I might be joking about the Moon -> Space part, but I'm not joking about Moon Misadventures supporting the 3d mod.)
(I doubt any other expansion mod is gonna bother after all)
heavy daggerBOT
New quote added by atravita as #6675 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1425244235468116008)
steel kraken
Anyways, to be properly offtopic:
Anyone want to play Factorio Valley?
https://...
Oh it finally came out? sweet
I saw the demo on aliensrock and looked great
cinder karma
Are you vim obsidian or are you a scrub 😛
I might be a scrub
I turned on vim keybindings and keep forgetting that I did that like a dumbass
safe dragon
when I tried obsidian the main selling point for me was the vim keybind support...
lethal walrus
obsidian doesn't have a cli
but there's an option in the settings to let you use vim keybinds in the gui
marble jewel
It doesn't have a CLI, but there's probably nothing preventing you from working with the markdown files however you'd like. Although it kind of defeats the purpose of using it to begin with.
sand frost
I have added like, one custom command but that's it
I mostly just type words
occasionally i want to sort checklists
fleet wren
my vim has a markdown preview plugin where it opens a browser window side by side
basically the same right
cinder karma
It doesn't have a CLI, but there's probably nothing preventing you from working ...
Yeah, this is why vim keybinds throw me off tbh
I'm used to vim in vim
dusty pollen
I'm always confused about software that has vim keybinds because the way they work in vim is that usually you aren't in edit mode so you can click whatever you want, but most of the software I've seen that has vim keybinds usually doesn't really have a non-edit-mode?
marble jewel
I've been playing with fish's vim keybind support, and it's interesting being able to navigate the console with vim motions
dusty pollen
I would try fish but the only thing I can think when I hear that it has a bunch more features than my current shell is that I already barely take advantage of my current shell
marble jewel
I had that first impression as well, and was put off by it. I quit fish until someone here vouched for it so I gave it a second change, and it's been pretty seamless for me.
dusty pollen
maybe if one day I write a zsh if statement without having to look up the syntax I'll consider it complete and move on
marble jewel
I still write all my scripts as bash, but just regular navigating hasn't been a problem
marble jewel
I've tried really hard to be a console warrior this year, and I've built up a pretty robust toolset
To the point where outside of the console, I mostly just use a browser
dusty pollen
on linux I definitely do a lot of that, browser and IDE mostly
I refuse to learn windows shell
marble jewel
I'm pretty accustomed to Powershell on Windows
dusty pollen
I should probably set up wsl at some point
dusty pollen
I'm pretty accustomed to Powershell on Windows
I always realise I don't remember how to ls or pwd and immediately get annoyed
also I'll admit I know nothing about the difference between command prompt and powershell
worn remnant
my shell scripts are honestly shameful
my hot take is that shell is a terrible language for anything beyond barebones automation and attempting to do complicated stuff with it is Folly™ so to me this is actually fine
fleet wren
if it's a hot take let's be hot together
marble jewel
Why is the temperature of this channel increasing so much
Someone needs to turn on a fan or something
dusty pollen
my hot take is that shell is a terrible language for anything beyond barebones a...
I'm with you 100% and limit my shell scripting to cursed maintenance scripts and polybar custom inputs
cinder karma
my hot take is that shell is a terrible language for anything beyond barebones a...
I used to be team "well if there is an array involved I'm launching python" but now
You should see my soscmd scripts
dusty pollen
and also that one time I tried to make firefox stop complaining that I wasn't closing it before turning my laptop off
fleet wren
if it's a hot take let's be hot together
if anyone claims they can tell me the difference between if [ ], if [[ ]], if () and if (( )) without looking it up they're a liar
marble jewel
if [[ ]] is like better or something
I also have situations where $( (( .. )) ) is necessary and I'm not sure why
dusty pollen
all I know is that the zsh docs told me to use if [[ ]] and when I did it worked
marble jewel
Just keep adding parenthesis until it works
dusty pollen
every once in a while I reteach myself file descriptors
devout vault
I always realise I don't remember how to `ls` or `pwd` and immediately get annoy...
this is why I always make sure to have msys installed (usually through git bash)
dusty pollen
I'll be very honest here, I have absolutely no idea what that is
pliant snow
Two brackets I think execute the command inside them? Or something?
devout vault
I'll be very honest here, I have absolutely no idea what that is
Msys provides a lot of the most common Linux commands on windows, such as ls and grep
safe dragon
I still have no idea how bash works
the syntax is completely arcane
of course I could try to learn it but I've never really tried to
devout vault
Yeah I’ll stick with just copy pasting from stack overflow like everyone else
safe dragon
sure random stackoverflow guy fuck up my file system cause idk how to read that shit
supple ether
Msys provides a lot of the most common Linux commands on windows, such as ls and...
Wish I had known about that before I got dngrep
At least having a gui is nice I guess
ls seems unnecessary though since windows has dir
safe dragon
tldr my beloved
safe dragon
basically acts like man but just gives you a simple list of the most likely things you'd probably want to do
supple ether
oooo nice
supple ether
I mean I'm usually fine with man unless it's a tool with 8 billion args like ffmpeg or imagemagick or something
safe dragon
tldr is the only reason I can use journalctl without a google page open
supple ether
The main issue I have with windows help is that it basically doesn't tell you anything, just tells you "this is a short summary of the command. Try using /? maybe?"
marble jewel
I have a batman alias where I just go help [command] to get the formatted/color-coded man
supple ether
I prefer verbose to useless
marble jewel
I need to check out tldr, I was using thefuck before, but it hasn't been updated in awhile
Not quite the same, but when I mess up a command, I'd type wtf and it would try to correct my usage automatically https://github.com/nvbn/thefuck
safe dragon
I did spend a few hours setting up windows terminal at work and it's now mostly a fine experience similar to having set up oh-my-zsh or something (except it takes like an entire second to start up and is clearly way less snappy in general than any modern linux terminal)
I even set up a theme for it
marble jewel
Up until recently Windows Terminal was my choice. I recently switched to Wezterm since I can have a consistent experience across Windows, MacOS, and Linux.
safe dragon
I'm a gruvbox theme enjoyer which I've learnt is controversial
marble jewel
My Powershell profile takes like 5 seconds to load from a cold start which is not ideal, but I like having my Oh My Posh prompt
And I rarely open from cold, it's just there in the background at all times
safe dragon
I open it at the start of the day and then it stays open
supple ether
Oh my posh is nice but like... I never use powershell anyways
safe dragon
I use it a little bit cause I switched to helix as my editor for anything except C#
I do pretty much all my file operations other than cd through yazi tho
I do like that the window terminal has tabs
no need to set up some terminal multiplexer
no idea if there are any for windows
marble jewel
My .dotfiles is getting big
These are the apps I can setup/configure from scratch using a single command. Which is nice when I'm setting up a new server or whatever.
safe dragon
oh lazygit I also use that one
fleet wren
I'm a gruvbox theme enjoyer which I've learnt is controversial
fellow gruvbox enjoyer
safe dragon
🤝
marble jewel
I recently started using catppuccin only because they seem to have good support across the apps I use
safe dragon
I partially use gruvbox cause it's also one of the most universally available themes
my home pc is actually almost entire nord theme
as visible in my screenshot a second ago
marble jewel
Before catppuccin it was just modern dark for me
safe dragon
I think the first theme I really tried to use was dracula
eventually I got a little tired of how saturated and bright the colors are, then completely went to the other opposite with nord which is super muted
I think my favorite theme is honestly probably everforest but it's not as unversally available
marble jewel
It'd be nice if there was a tool to translate themes between different things
Like take a sublime theme pop it in, get a terminal theme
safe dragon
which is why websites like the dracula theme have like 400 links to custom themes for different applications
for nord I've actually manually styled applications before using their color guide
marble jewel
That needs to be a cli tool, something that can automatically generate your preferred theme
safe dragon
I'm already glad helix just comes with a gazillion themes built in
safe dragon
including themes I find horrendous and don't understand anyone uses like solarized_dark