#programmers-off-topic | Stardew Valley | Page 96

steel kraken Sep 19, 2025, 1:14 AM

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lastpass enterprise, and seems they wanted to cleanup disabled accounts ahead of a migration, but it ran without being constrained to disabled accounts

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:14 AM

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Oof

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Hope there are backups

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 1:17 AM

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Google ads has decided that I just want a shitty mobile game but with a knitting skin

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Or Old Spice (available at Costco)

steel kraken Sep 19, 2025, 1:18 AM

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devout vault Hope there are backups

it doesnt help that they turned off the export UI, had to build from source and install the linux CLI for lastpass to do an export before my account gets hit

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being further down in the alphabet I had extra time

prisma flume Sep 19, 2025, 1:48 AM

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is lastp ass essentially just an alternative to keep ass, or are there notable feature differences?

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i don't even know what's going on at your work

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 2:03 AM

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Amazing autocorrect

fringe chasm Sep 19, 2025, 2:16 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrwpT_sq3nU&feature=youtu.be

I've been making a point a click game using my mod assets as stand ins it's been fun

YouTube

FellowClown

test 2025 09 18 22 08 17 529

▶ Play video

dusty pollen Sep 19, 2025, 6:02 AM

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I'm not the one you were talking to but would this dog suffice

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 8:07 AM

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dusty pollen I'm not the one you were talking to but would this dog suffice

He knows not what the numpy extended universe is

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 8:12 AM

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why does a python library have an extended universe

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 8:12 AM

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Numpy is the extended universe

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 8:12 AM

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oh no

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 8:12 AM

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(I nicked the descriptor from another server because I am shameless)

dusty pollen Sep 19, 2025, 8:53 AM

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cyan shadow He knows not what the numpy extended universe is

no of course not. he does all his machine learning using a C library he built himself

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 8:53 AM

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dusty pollen no of course not. he does all his machine learning using a C library he built hi...

Of course, as is to be expected from His Grace

dusty pollen Sep 19, 2025, 8:55 AM

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resident europeans. can one of you explain to me how my sister is going interrailing without taking any trains Squint

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 8:56 AM

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dusty pollen resident europeans. can one of you explain to me how my sister is going interrai...

Replacement bus?

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Or a ferry route

dusty pollen Sep 19, 2025, 8:56 AM

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does that even count as interrailing

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 8:57 AM

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Well, interrail is just the pass

dusty pollen Sep 19, 2025, 8:57 AM

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yeah but like, "interrailing" is a whole thing now SDVpuffersquee at least here in the UK

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 8:58 AM

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It is? SMCKekLmaoDog

dusty pollen Sep 19, 2025, 8:58 AM

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well it always has been here I think

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for young people to do a Europe trip using the interrail pass

hushed raven Sep 19, 2025, 9:03 AM

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Is interrailing only a thing that brits do? I thought it was all over

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(I nearly was one of those brits)

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 9:28 AM

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what the hell is interrailing

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 9:31 AM

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safe dragon what the hell is interrailing

Where you buy the interrail pass and go on a trip, I think

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To me that just sounds like having to deal with DB for no reason but it also sounds kinda fun ngl

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 9:31 AM

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EU rail spooks me

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 9:32 AM

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Speaking of trains, here's hoping my train doesn't get delayed today

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I'm leaving so late as it is

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 9:32 AM

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the moment international travel by train involves more than 1 train I don't like it anymore

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 9:32 AM

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I took two to Antwerp

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One was only 10 minutes but still

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 9:33 AM

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I don't count trains within the Netherlands

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I don't have to like... book those

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I take 2 trains every time I go to the office

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 9:34 AM

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cyan shadow Speaking of trains, here's hoping my train doesn't get delayed today

good luck

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 9:42 AM

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safe dragon I don't count trains within the Netherlands

Ah yeah

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Being early means I get to watch OBB's most fuckass hoppers go rattling by

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 9:49 AM

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safe dragon good luck

5 minutes late, this I can live with

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 9:49 AM

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gratz

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 9:54 AM

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Hm. I should've brought my bike along

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But I would've had to buy a ticket and if the train didn't have room for it, it would've been a pain

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 10:21 AM

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Oh the driver is a chatty sort

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 11:21 AM

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it's done it was very easy

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syntax highlighting actually works correctly now

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 1:22 PM

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I would like to dedicate this morning to Microsoft Outlook who, everytime I start it up, gives me a notification about a meeting that occurred 62 weeks ago

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:24 PM

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pliant snow I would like to dedicate this morning to Microsoft Outlook who, everytime I star...

Remind me in 62 weeks ago about aquova and their dedication towards Outlook

heavy daggerBOT Sep 19, 2025, 1:24 PM

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grumbles yeah yeah fine kittycatcasey can do. (#6870609) (62w | <t:1795785861>)

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:24 PM

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I am gonna be so confused in November 2026

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 1:25 PM

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I am 100% convinced that I will still be getting these notifications

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:25 PM

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I’m sure I’ll end up asking you when the time comes

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If neither of us are on hiatus during that period.

(We’ve both been around long enough we’re basically semi-permanent fixtures here, though)

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Though discord would have people believe otherwise

heavy daggerBOT Sep 19, 2025, 1:27 PM

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New quote added by atravita as #6635 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1418588051260837968)

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:27 PM

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If mobile could search by oldest message first like desktop could I would find my first message on the server

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 1:27 PM

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pliant snow I would like to dedicate this morning to Microsoft Outlook who, everytime I star...

So did you go to the meeting

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 1:28 PM

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devout vault Though discord would have people believe otherwise

Butter banned me

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:29 PM

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Well, if I’m not on hiatus and you aren’t banned then

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Better?

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 1:29 PM

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Oh breaking news, I'm getting a Teams scam call

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this is an exciting day for microsoft notifications

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:32 PM

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pliant snow Oh breaking news, I'm getting a Teams scam call

what

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how is someone scam calling you on teams

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your company teams environment?

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do you have scammers inside your own company

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is that what you call the marketing department

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 1:33 PM

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We get them all the time

sand frost Sep 19, 2025, 1:33 PM

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Wow, that’s terrible

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I guess I can count my blessings that we don’t use teams here

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:33 PM

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but... how

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 1:33 PM

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We don't have physical phones anymore, but they do issue us phone numbers (I have no idea what mine actually is), so we get scam calls routed to Teams via those

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 1:33 PM

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How do you get scam calls on teams

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:33 PM

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safe dragon how is someone scam calling you on teams

You know I didn’t think about this, but… yeah

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 1:33 PM

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Ahhhh

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That's mean

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I'm lucky I'm very insulated tbh

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:34 PM

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TakoTired

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:34 PM

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pliant snow We don't have physical phones anymore, but they do issue us phone numbers (I hav...

It’s like they want you to get scam calls

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 1:34 PM

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I see zero customers

sand frost Sep 19, 2025, 1:34 PM

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I have an office phone but i don’t think i get scam calls on it

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Hopefully

prisma flume Sep 19, 2025, 1:34 PM

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i can't imagine having to double-up my day job with a brand new call centre role exclusively for answering scams

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 1:35 PM

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When I first started, some of the longer term devs still had phones, although I think I've only seen someone use them once. Back when we were on Skype, I think there was a legit reason to still be issued phone numbers, but now it doesn't really make sense

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:35 PM

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I have a work phone and whoever had this phone number before me was seemingly addicted to a few substances that I now also get advertised via WhatsApp

sand frost Sep 19, 2025, 1:35 PM

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I’ve started to get scam texts

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I’m so tempted to haha react them and block but I’m pretty sure that would encourage them

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:36 PM

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Have yall considered making them solve a calc 2 problem before letting the calls go through fully.

…wait, that would be easier for bots.

Have you considered checking if they are reasonable on the internet before…

Wait, same problem.

Uh…. Captchas? Wait those don’t work great now either…

Guess you’ll just have to suffer, sorry

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:37 PM

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sand frost I’m so tempted to haha react them and block but I’m pretty sure that would encou...

I’m been getting scam job offers. As group texts.

So tempting to respond in the group text saying something like “oh look, a scammer!”

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:37 PM

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I have a work phone pretty much solely for the reason that it keeps my personal phone separate and no one from work can call me on it

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Just leave my work phone home when I go in vacation

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 1:37 PM

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I can't imagine anyone from work actually wanting to contact me after hours

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:38 PM

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oh after hours would be terrible

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that's never happened before

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they just call during working hours

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but by phone instead of teams

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:38 PM

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(Meanwhile, my mom’s previous job, expecting her to do things at a moments notice basically 24/7. She was so overworked)

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(And of course, she was salaried)

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:39 PM

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salaried is great usually

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but uh

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:39 PM

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I think her minimum was 60 hour work weeks.

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Just practically speaking

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:39 PM

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I think that's above the legal maximum here

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even for 1 week

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:40 PM

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Land of the free (to be exploited)

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:40 PM

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right to work (with no employee protection) 🙏

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:40 PM

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That’s actually not why she’s not working there anymore, either

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(That’s super complicated in itself and not something I can go into, especially since it’d be easy to find out who my mom is)

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(Not that it was a big company, but you know)

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:41 PM

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I think we have some exceptions to maximum working hours. Most notably hospitals

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😌

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:42 PM

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Have you considered being overworked

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It’s very popular these days (with bosses, but just for their underlings)

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:42 PM

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no...

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:43 PM

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It comes with a bonus helping of America healthcare!

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(Since it seems you can’t be overworked there for the most part)

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:43 PM

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I'd get kicked out of the office by security at 5:30 pm

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:44 PM

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devout vault (Since it seems you can’t be overworked there for the most part)

you can but there's more to try and prevent it...

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:44 PM

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Skill issue
(On our end)

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(Though at some point it’s not so much skill issue so much as the people in charge not letting it happen)

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:45 PM

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culturally the Netherlands is just very... against working more than 8 hours

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"it's 5pm I'm leaving I don't care that there's still things that aren't done. They'll have to wait till tomorrow"

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:46 PM

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If only we were like that

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~~heck I struggle with a 40 hour work week~~

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 1:46 PM

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my job is def like that lol

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:46 PM

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~~But I have Brain Things ™ going on~~

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:46 PM

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had some American complain to me before that all the Dutch colleagues were lazy cause they'd just leave after they've made their hours regardless of the situation at work

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:47 PM

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safe dragon had some American complain to me before that all the Dutch colleagues were lazy ...

What

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Sounds more like jealousy to me

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Or were these the people crazy enough to sincerely believe it

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:47 PM

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idk I didn't know them well enough

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:47 PM

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devout vault ~~But I have Brain Things ™ going on~~

(The Brain Things ™ are not worms, aquo)

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:47 PM

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they just reacted to me being Dutch

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I guess calling me lazy by proxy

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which is true

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:48 PM

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Hey, you know what? I want everyone to have the freedom to be lazy

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Let’s make a society where being lazy isn’t a problem

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Unfortunately it seems we’re going the “big tech makes everyone work even more” route rather than “big tech makes most work automated” route

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:49 PM

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there's a time and place for being lazy and that's most of the time and most places

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:49 PM

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devout vault Unfortunately it seems we’re going the “big tech makes everyone work even more” ...

I’d like to speak to whoever is in charge of this run and force them to respec the skill tree

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:49 PM

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Just follow the money

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:50 PM

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New light novel title: “I Escaped The Simulation So I Could Force The One In Charge To Fix My Life For Me”

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(I know, I know, not long enough or tropey enough)

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 1:51 PM

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safe dragon I'd get kicked out of the office by security at 5:30 pm

I'm scoring excellent on my "get out of the office before the cleaning crew shows up" metric lately

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I actually left at 6pm yesterday!!!!!!

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Beat my average by an hour

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:51 PM

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devout vault Land of the free (to be exploited)

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(I kid, you enjoy your job right atra?)

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 1:52 PM

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I can count on one hand the number of times I've stayed past like 5:30 lol

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:53 PM

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cinder karma I'm scoring excellent on my "get out of the office before the cleaning crew show...

🎉

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:53 PM

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Using binary? With a mutation that made you have double the amount of fingers? (/s)

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:54 PM

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the cleaning crew shows up at 4:45 pm or so for me

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I think I can count the number of times I've stayed past 5 pm on 1 hand

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 1:56 PM

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The only exploitation I’ll accept is the cat seeing me wake up in the middle of the night and saying “hey that means time to get pet”

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Obligatory cat tax

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 1:58 PM

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😌

worn remnant Sep 19, 2025, 2:13 PM

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devout vault Or were these the people crazy enough to sincerely believe it

many or most americans sincerely believe it. it's the remnants of the protestant/puritan work ethic

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 2:17 PM

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also, breaking news, I have purchased... a keyboard

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im kinda not crazy about it

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 2:18 PM

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Which one?

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 2:18 PM

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devout vault Or were these the people crazy enough to sincerely believe it

(I would say a large portion are true believers yeah)

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 2:18 PM

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I got one of the 8bitdo keyboards. I have their numpad and really like it, but the keyboard... its okay

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 2:18 PM

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Nice!

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As I pretend I know what that is

pliant snow Sep 19, 2025, 2:19 PM

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I like the feel of it, but I've been spoiled by metal bodied keyboards

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 2:23 PM

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devout vault Obligatory cat tax

Cat

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Cat looks comfy and not like a menace

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 2:50 PM

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pliant snow I got one of the 8bitdo keyboards. I have their numpad and really like it, but t...

hc_pensive

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 2:55 PM

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safe dragon had some American complain to me before that all the Dutch colleagues were lazy ...

My mother's new workplace has an office in the Randstad and she LOVES the company culture of logging off at 5, she's used to the US MNC and generic startup crunch culture and this is a wonderful change of pace for her

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 3:10 PM

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excellent

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 3:26 PM

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They apply the same policies for the Rotterdam office to the whole organization across nations, so she clocks in at 9:30 and scoots at 5

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 3:28 PM

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that's not even 8 hours

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I like it

supple ether Sep 19, 2025, 3:29 PM

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I am so envious

dusty pollen Sep 19, 2025, 3:43 PM

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devout vault Obligatory cat tax

is your cat half cheetah

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 4:05 PM

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safe dragon I like it

So does she! Used to be that she worked 9-6 and would get stuck in traffic both ways so this is an improvement

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Her current commute is still an hour each way but at least that's to a part of the city that's actually forty minutes to an hour away from her place, as opposed to being 20 minutes away but an hour away in rush hour traffic

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Which isn't so bad when you only go in twice a week

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 4:15 PM

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pretty much the same commute as me

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 4:34 PM

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If you want to know how today is going

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I'm drowning in state machines

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Literally

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 4:50 PM

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that's bad for your health

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 4:53 PM

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dusty pollen is your cat half cheetah

Parents cat. But kinda, he’s a bengal 😛

cyan shadow Sep 19, 2025, 5:17 PM

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safe dragon pretty much the same commute as me

Yep, very doable. Although the roads are shit lately so she needs to wear a lumbar belt in the car

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 6:09 PM

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devout vault Parents cat. But kinda, he’s a bengal 😛

Adorable cat 💖

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 8:08 PM

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O.o focus friends now has a living room

safe dragon Sep 19, 2025, 8:10 PM

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huge

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 8:10 PM

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cinder karma O.o focus friends now has a living room

Is that the one you posted recently saying something along the lines of "what now"

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 8:17 PM

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Yes

devout vault Sep 19, 2025, 8:18 PM

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Sounds like your prayers have been answered by Yoba

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 8:18 PM

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https://lifehacker.com/tech/focus-friend-bean-now-has-a-living-room?test_uuid=015ZvAUxXams0rnBpajhMg2&test_variant=A

Lifehacker

The Little Bean Guy in Your Focus Friend App Now Has Two Rooms in H...

An update to Hank Green's Focus Friend app gives the bean a second room you can decorate. It costs 1,000 socks to unlock, and the items inside it are more expensive than the ones in the first room.

steel kraken Sep 19, 2025, 10:21 PM

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the bean guy got inflation, oof

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 10:27 PM

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Smh you think they'll add modding (/jk)

steel kraken Sep 19, 2025, 10:31 PM

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on a mobile app, when mods could compete with their microtransactions?
lol

cinder karma Sep 19, 2025, 10:36 PM

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Clearly someone else should get into the market of idle games that block your phone

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Oh wait

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There are many

pliant snow Sep 20, 2025, 12:09 AM

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Has anyone tried Oracle's free tier

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god forbid should I use oracle, but if I can just host something simple for free..

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 12:13 AM

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Isn't oracle the hot new ai company or smth

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I just saw a news article that claimed Google is adding Gemini to Chrome

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So

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Are we humans

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Or are we Gemini

sand frost Sep 20, 2025, 12:15 AM

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If we’re Gemini are there 2x as many of us?

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 12:15 AM

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(Meanwhile)

pliant snow Sep 20, 2025, 12:15 AM

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have you never heard of oracle

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 12:15 AM

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Well, no one has seen you and me in the same room, Classical

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No one here

sand frost Sep 20, 2025, 12:16 AM

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I’ve heard of oracle because the oracle billionaire got into boat racing

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And because I grew up in the bay I guess

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 12:17 AM

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I've heard of oracle because oracle temporarily just became the most valuable company

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 12:17 AM

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Is VS just finally revolting against my tendency for code crimes

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sand frost Sep 20, 2025, 12:17 AM

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I think the oracle dude is known for being a particularly jerk-faced billionaire

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 12:18 AM

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Things compile fine, but can I "Go to definition"? Nooooo

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I assume it's this

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But like

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Why can't it find .net's stuff even

pliant snow Sep 20, 2025, 12:21 AM

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oracle kind of a big company

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they own java

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I think they have the javascript trademark still too

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 12:21 AM

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What do you mean those two things in that specific spot can't be found

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How do you not know what void is

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(Also the not being imported is a lie)

sand frost Sep 20, 2025, 12:22 AM

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Have you tried turn off and on again 😛

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 12:22 AM

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Clean + restart VS + rebuild solution, yes

sand frost Sep 20, 2025, 12:22 AM

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pliant snow oracle kind of a big company

They were sort of a boring dinosaur by the time I was a kid tbh

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 12:22 AM

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It's also suspicious how this csproj is unloaded every time I reload VS

steel kraken Sep 20, 2025, 12:23 AM

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Oracle are one of the largest law firms that have a small engineering side-gig

pliant snow Sep 20, 2025, 12:30 AM

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boring? They'll soon own tiktok, they're the coolest company around!

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 12:51 AM

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They will have a very sexy open-ai contract

steel kraken Sep 20, 2025, 12:55 AM

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just for people to go back to rednote when the algorithm isnt spicy enough for them

sand frost Sep 20, 2025, 12:56 AM

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Is rednote the little red book one?

steel kraken Sep 20, 2025, 12:56 AM

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oracle and openai have an infinite money glitch where they just have to claim a contract is made, stock prices go up and use that money to actually partially fulfill the contract and then announce another one

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iirc rednote is the actually chinese state controlled one

sand frost Sep 20, 2025, 12:57 AM

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Ah I’ve heard the Chinese name

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Which is literally “little red book”

steel kraken Sep 20, 2025, 12:58 AM

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I vaguely remember it from that weekend that tiktok was actually banned and people went over to rednote to talk about their friendly chinese spy or whatever

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steam recently added it as a valid social media type for store pages iirc

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 1:53 AM

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pliant snow Sep 20, 2025, 1:56 AM

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I'm finally moving off of digitialocean rip

regal ingot Sep 20, 2025, 2:02 AM

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sand frost I think the oracle dude is known for being a particularly jerk-faced billionaire

One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison
even named the company for him 😉

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 2:07 AM

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pliant snow I'm finally moving off of digitialocean rip

...when does my server renew

pliant snow Sep 20, 2025, 2:07 AM

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the what now

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 2:07 AM

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Me or ManInBlack

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 2:08 AM

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devout vault ...when does my server renew

The 23rd

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Need to move stuff off and cancel before then

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Remind me in 18 hours to save old website and cancel server

heavy daggerBOT Sep 20, 2025, 2:09 AM

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...mmmm I just wrote that down in a database marked for deletion...eh it'll probably be fine (#6871420) (18h | <t:1758398954>)

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 2:09 AM

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Plz uber, a decent chunk of money is on the line

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 2:10 AM

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Remind me in 17 hours to remind Casey to move her server

heavy daggerBOT Sep 20, 2025, 2:10 AM

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https://imgur.com/gs8Db9t (#6871421) (17h | <t:1758395403>)

Imgur

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 2:10 AM

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....

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Botto

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 2:10 AM

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Huh, never seen that one before

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 2:10 AM

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Smh

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Fine

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devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 2:12 AM

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Wow, is reminding me a chore to you? /s

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So now I'll be getting a reminder at 3:10 PM, 4:09 PM, and whatever time that is set for

pliant snow Sep 20, 2025, 2:13 AM

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where are you moving to

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 2:14 AM

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devout vault Wow, is reminding me a chore to you? /s

My other options were "self care" and "fun"

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XD

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I just staged that real fast for the screenshot

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 3:56 AM

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pliant snow I'm finally moving off of digitialocean rip

Did something in particular happen

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 3:59 AM

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Actually yeah I'm curious what yall use for hosting and how the pricing is

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:01 AM

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I'm on digitalocean, and I have 3 of the $6/mo droplet tier

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One for general things, one for irl things, one for a database and then a few other things that i could probably move over but gradually needing it more

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:02 AM

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I'm a cheap fuck so I have two domains on the same vps

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It does mean any idiot with whois can find out my real name though so I might change it

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:03 AM

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I have quite a few on one too

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:03 AM

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Managing two separate servers sounds annoying though

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:03 AM

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All mine except one have privacy thankfully

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:03 AM

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supple ether Managing two separate servers sounds annoying though

Here's the solution: you don't

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:04 AM

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No I have privacy but one of my domains is my real name

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:04 AM

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ohh

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 4:04 AM

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pliant snow where are you moving to

Nowhere. I’m taking it down because I’m not using it. 😄

(I got a dedicated with Plans ™ at one point, but that’s pricey and I never did anything with it. Will probably get a cheap VPS or something once I have a new website ready, but I mainly just need to back up the old one)

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:04 AM

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Maybe I could get a second server and just use it as a proxy

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:05 AM

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As in a reverse proxy or do you mean a socks5 proxy server

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 4:05 AM

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My one I need to cancel is liquidweb

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:05 AM

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Ah not a proxy in the technical sense but in the common sense

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Technically it would be a gateway

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 4:05 AM

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(Back to bedtime land unless I see a ping)

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:05 AM

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I think

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:06 AM

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What would it do

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:06 AM

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Just act as an opaque relay between the real shared server and the client making the request

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:06 AM

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Ohh

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So like cloudflare but smaller

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:06 AM

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To hide the ip

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I guess? Cloudflare does a bunch of things and I'm not super familiar with all of their tech

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:07 AM

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If you use cloudflare for DNS and you add a record, swtting proxy on it to true will proxy all the requests so the server's ip isn't exposed

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It also doesn't expose the client ip but iirc it's in a header

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:09 AM

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Oh that's nice

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:09 AM

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mhm

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:10 AM

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I wonder how much it would cost to do that and if a dns lookup would still be able to match both domains to the same server

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:10 AM

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That's available on the free tier if you mean cloudflare
And no that's the point

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:11 AM

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Oooo definitely using that then

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:11 AM

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Just make sure you set the dns record to Proxy and not DNS Only

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If you're putting both domains through clousflsre to hide the ip on both, do note that it'll be clear you own both domains since each clousflare account has its own nameserver pair across every domain

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:15 AM

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Ah, interesting

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So maybe I'll just mask one and leave the other visible

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Hmmm digitalocean pricing is decent but why so little disk space

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Like of all the computer hardware or there, disk space is probably the cheapest thing

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:40 AM

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Actually that seems to be a weird trend with all cloud providers

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Maybe they're using high end drives or raid mirroring or something

steel kraken Sep 20, 2025, 4:41 AM

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when you have the machine off they can give the compute to someone else but the drive cant

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that and the drives are a consumable compared to everything else

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 4:42 AM

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If my home internet wasn't ass I would use a raspi to host

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I don't need anything beefy or high bandwidth, just something with a good amount of storage space that can be always on

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Oh hey wait I found a vps host in Europe that gives 1tb for ~12euros/mo

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How much is that in freedom bucks

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14-15 smackerels, not bad

hushed raven Sep 20, 2025, 8:43 AM

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You can't gatekeep that vps host, thats a steal!

supple ether Sep 20, 2025, 3:44 PM

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It's called time4vps

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Their regular stuff is similar to competitors, but they have a separate page for "storage vps" with more disk space

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https://www.time4vps.com/storage-vps/

crystal wren Sep 20, 2025, 4:14 PM

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7 Euros... 2TB storage? That's... huh. Wow.

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:18 PM

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i was expecting the bandwidth to be awful but no 8tb is really good

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taking a note of that for a certain puffern

crystal wren Sep 20, 2025, 4:20 PM

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Yeah, I'm genuinely tempted to use this...

Though 7 Euros is the first month price, it seems.

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:21 PM

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it's also a lot cheaper on the default selected 2 year commitment

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but even then €18/month (renewal, month by month) is pretty good

crystal wren Sep 20, 2025, 4:22 PM

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No choice of datacentres though, so I can't just get a second one to use as the backup. I mean I could, but it doesn't protect me against some catastrophic DC problem wiping things out.

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 4:22 PM

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location seems like a pretty important factor to miss

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 4:33 PM

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Glacier exisrs

heavy daggerBOT Sep 20, 2025, 7:10 PM

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cinder karma Remind me in 17 hours to remind Casey to move her server

@cinder karma: remind Casey to move her server (17h ago)

dusty pollen Sep 20, 2025, 7:10 PM

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so surfshark is doing this fantastic thing where it's getting into a race condition with my network adapter when my computer starts up Squint where it starts trying to connect, but then my network adapter can't find the wifi any more, but since there's no wifi it can't connect...

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had to go kill the service via task manager this time

crystal wren Sep 20, 2025, 7:14 PM

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Set the service to manual and just write a tiny little utility program to launch it after a delay of, say, 30 seconds maybe?

dusty pollen Sep 20, 2025, 7:14 PM

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would be nice if this was on linux but alas, this is on windows

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and I refuse to touch services on windows

crystal wren Sep 20, 2025, 7:15 PM

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Services are... okay on Windows!

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That reminded me... I need to port my old open-different-URLs-in-different-browsers program to Linux...

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 7:20 PM

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there is the slightly less annoying option of putting a batch file in your startup folder

crystal wren Sep 20, 2025, 7:20 PM

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That's essentially what I meant for Iro, yeah.

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A batch script or little utility program to start automatically, set the VPN service to manual, and just launch its service from the script/program.

dusty pollen Sep 20, 2025, 7:26 PM

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last time I wrote a batch script I nearly got expelled from sixth form SDVpuffersquee

heavy daggerBOT Sep 20, 2025, 7:29 PM

#

New quote added by atravita as #6637 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1419042163106386023)

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 7:31 PM

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surely windows has some way to delay a startup program

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I refuse to believe that's not what microsoft teams is using cause it takes like 30 seconds till it appears after I log in

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 7:44 PM

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dusty pollen last time I wrote a batch script I nearly got expelled from sixth form <:SDVpuff...

was this a proper batch script or was it just

cmd

to bypass group policy blocking command prompt

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don't ask why I know that

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 7:46 PM

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blocking command prompt?

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that doesn't seem like it'd go very well if you do that to a software engineer

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unless that only blocks command prompt specifically and not powershell

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or the shell git installs

dusty pollen Sep 20, 2025, 7:52 PM

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lethal walrus was this a proper batch script or was it just ```bat cmd ``` to bypass group po...

both SBVLmaoDog in my defence, I immediately reported it

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 8:00 PM

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safe dragon that doesn't seem like it'd go very well if you do that to a software engineer

students in school do not really need command prompt, let's be honest

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 8:00 PM

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oh this is in school

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 8:00 PM

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dusty pollen both <:SBVLmaoDog:1061416776312832060> in my defence, I immediately reported it

you're better than me in that regard

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 8:01 PM

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I can understand it for a school computer yes

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unless the school computers are used for programming lessons cause ur in some fancy school I would've been very jealous of at the time

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 8:06 PM

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they weren't

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the most programming one got was word

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 8:06 PM

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actually the one person I know that had programming classes in high school had to run the python scripts from one of those online interpreters

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 8:07 PM

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tbf you could just install portable python in my case

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and install pip manually/run get-pip.py

dusty pollen Sep 20, 2025, 8:08 PM

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lethal walrus you're better than me in that regard

the bastard hid that report and told the senior leadership team that he "found a file in my user folder showing I was trying to hack"

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 8:08 PM

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did you just use a masked linked without getting banished to the shadow realm by the censor bots here

dusty pollen Sep 20, 2025, 8:08 PM

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orange is allowed 😌

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 8:08 PM

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wtf

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brb making a sdv mod

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 8:09 PM

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Oh did i lose my masked links

heavy daggerBOT Sep 20, 2025, 8:09 PM

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devout vault Remind me in 18 hours to save old website and cancel server

@devout vault: save old website and cancel server (18h ago)

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 8:09 PM

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An attempt

Google

Search the world's information, including webpages, images, videos and more. Google has many special features to help you find exactly what you're looking for.

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Not in jail

dusty pollen Sep 20, 2025, 8:09 PM

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oh right they also gave the perm to anyone over a certain level eventually iirc

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 8:09 PM

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Anyways

dusty pollen Sep 20, 2025, 8:09 PM

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can you do tiny text

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 8:10 PM

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-# I have to go touch more grass

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 8:10 PM

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man the last time I got hit by the censor I had to verify my discord account because they'd blocked me out completely due to suspicious activity

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idk if I want to try this

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 8:10 PM

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-# crumble has to make a mod otherwise

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 8:10 PM

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dusty pollen the bastard hid that report and told the senior leadership team that he "found a...

i just got the multi-school admin thing telling me off when on that day i literally did nothing odd lol

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no idea what was so offensive i never actually did anything bad

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 8:10 PM

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-# test

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hmmm

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 8:11 PM

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safe dragon did you just use a masked linked without getting banished to the shadow realm by...

-# yes

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 8:11 PM

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test

Google

Search the world's information, including webpages, images, videos and more. Google has many special features to help you find exactly what you're looking for.

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wow

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I was definitely not allowed to do this in the past

dusty pollen Sep 20, 2025, 8:11 PM

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lethal walrus no idea what was so offensive i never actually did anything bad

tbf I proved I could access any student's files

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 8:11 PM

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does local legend get big boy premissions

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 8:12 PM

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dusty pollen tbf I proved I could access any student's files

see that is much worse

dusty pollen Sep 20, 2025, 8:12 PM

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yeah you get an instant mute to force you to move to other servers /j

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 8:12 PM

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all i could do is know exactly who and when used the machine

dusty pollen Sep 20, 2025, 8:12 PM

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I wasn't able to see teachers' files but I could see the list of teacher user folders

lethal walrus Sep 20, 2025, 8:12 PM

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-# i also tried reverse engineering the spyware to no avail because i could never make it run outside the original context

heavy daggerBOT Sep 20, 2025, 8:13 PM

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New quote added by atravita as #6639 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1419053550721306695)

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 8:13 PM

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I always knew I was talking to myself

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All yall are in my head

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Just hallucinations, AI or otherwise

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 8:15 PM

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it's true

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every bit of knowledge you've gained from us was something you already knew deep inside

#

you're actually highly knowledgeable on games

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 8:17 PM

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(Re: the reminder)

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Anyways

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Remind me in 4 hours to do server transfer thing

heavy daggerBOT Sep 20, 2025, 8:19 PM

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my vcr is blinking 12:00 right now so if the reminder is delayed then....whoops (#6872355) (4h | <t:1758413945>)

devout vault Sep 20, 2025, 8:19 PM

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Uber why are you using vcr in the year of our yoba 2025

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A perfectly normal window title

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(This is the steam main window)

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Maybe my entire computer is starting to revolt against me

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Given how VS has been lately

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 8:28 PM

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safe dragon you're actually highly knowledgeable on games

Wait

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But I've actually seen some of y'all irl

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Hmmm

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Not you though

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Oh hai a wasp

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 9:23 PM

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true I'm a figment of y'all's imagination

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I'm not even modder it doesn't make sense

steel kraken Sep 20, 2025, 10:09 PM

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dusty pollen tbf I proved I could access any student's files

In my highschool their security was lax enough that I could read any other students files, but one of my friends for whatever didn't have a folder at all and I was able to straight up make it for him

safe dragon Sep 20, 2025, 10:18 PM

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unfortunately I had very little tech knowledge nor interest in high school

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idk how bad my high school's security was

crystal wren Sep 20, 2025, 10:40 PM

#

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(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

steel kraken Sep 20, 2025, 10:51 PM

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Considering it's named after Monty python which is very much British, I'm taking this to be intended

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 10:53 PM

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Number of wasps touched today: 3

heavy daggerBOT Sep 20, 2025, 10:58 PM

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New quote added by atravita as #6641 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1419071382876328049)

sand frost Sep 20, 2025, 10:59 PM

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That’s too many wasps

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My daily wasp touching goal is 0 wasps

fleet wren Sep 20, 2025, 11:04 PM

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"average person touches 3 wasps a day" factoid actualy just statistical error. average person touches 0 wasps a day. Wasps Georg, whose body has been genetically engineered to be a living wasp hive is an outlier adn should not have been counted

cinder karma Sep 20, 2025, 11:47 PM

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sand frost My daily wasp touching goal is 0 wasps

So is mine but sometimes I fail

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Tbh I can't be sure waps 1 and 3 weren't the same wasp

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Also I didnt see it so it might have been a fire ant

sand frost Sep 20, 2025, 11:48 PM

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I hope you are ok!!

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Fire ant does not sound better

heavy daggerBOT Sep 21, 2025, 12:19 AM

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devout vault Remind me in 4 hours to do server transfer thing

@devout vault: do server transfer thing (4h ago)

cinder karma Sep 22, 2025, 2:00 PM

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Update: it was a fire ant. My fingers have returned to their normal size

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I'm really not selling this "touch grass" thing am i

safe dragon Sep 22, 2025, 3:22 PM

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unfortunate

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this oracle sql query refuses to actually apply paging when we ask for a specific field even though that field shouldn't affect paging at all...

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why does it hurt me so

cinder karma Sep 22, 2025, 5:59 PM

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God do i miss brackets

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I miss brackets so badly

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When you have end end end end end lol and vim doesnt match those

devout vault Sep 22, 2025, 6:00 PM

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Number 2 reason why I'm a python/gdscript/etc. hater

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Wait no

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Those are just whitespace

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(Which was gonna be number 1)

pliant snow Sep 22, 2025, 6:10 PM

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cinder karma When you have `end end end end end` lol and vim doesnt match those

Sounds like you need to set up treesitter

cinder karma Sep 22, 2025, 6:15 PM

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Sounds like i need to either find a tree to hide in

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Or a sunset to walk into

safe dragon Sep 22, 2025, 6:21 PM

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treesitter should work...

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you'd have options like this to base a selection on some actual programming structure like a function instead of just vim like surround queries

cinder karma Sep 22, 2025, 6:27 PM

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Crumble, may I remind you I'm on python 3.6

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And have no ability to install things

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Even transferring files is a pain

safe dragon Sep 22, 2025, 6:27 PM

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sue your company

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hc_pensive

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if it were neovim then treesitter would be built in and you'd just need to put the treesitter grammar in a folder somewhere and reference it

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actually I think you'd also need a plugin to add keybinds for selecting based on those treesitter text objects

devout vault Sep 22, 2025, 8:01 PM

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How did I make MSVC's linker get a stack overflow

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How

#

It's not even my code I'm compiling

devout vault Sep 22, 2025, 8:34 PM

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Debug and release with debug info? Fail. Actual release build? Success

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Guess I'm hacking things in hard mode

crystal wren Sep 23, 2025, 4:32 PM

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Well that's rude, VSCode.

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 4:35 PM

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no settings for you

#

you'll get it how we think you should want it

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the apple way

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 5:03 PM

#

#

(Not that that was a super secret message)

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 5:04 PM

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I saw it and now know where your house lives

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 5:04 PM

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Cool, I don’t own a house yet. Can’t wait to meet it one day

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 5:11 PM

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o hc_pensive I won't tell you where it is or I'll mess up the timeline

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 5:12 PM

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Where's my house crumble

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And my asparagus i will plant at my house

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And the patio I'll have clotheslines

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 5:22 PM

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idk I don't have such info for you

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 5:23 PM

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safe dragon o <:hc_pensive:901611983378481183> I won't tell you where it is or I'll mess up ...

Too late - I wasn't planning on getting a house at all, so by mentioning it happening at all you have already altered the timeline irreparably

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 5:23 PM

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damn

#

not planning on getting a house...

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 5:27 PM

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@cinder karma (or others) you wouldn't happen to recall when ReadOnlySpan first started getting serious use by the standard library stuff would you?

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Like the .net docs say it existed built in as early as 2.1

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(And available in framework and such via external packages)

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 5:44 PM

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I'd say it really started getting going with .NET 5 from my own experience. Before that the focus was more still on just getting Spans in a usable and performant state

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Going by stephen toub's performance blogs the .NET Core 3.0 one was still more about optimizing spans themselves rather than optimizing .NET using the spans

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if you count ASP.NET Core as the standard library though the answer would be 2.1 since that was one of the primary motivations for its introduction at all cause 80% of handling http traffic is string manipulation

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 5:51 PM

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I see the original proposal in late 2017

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And early blog posts for 2018

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So around when net core 2.1 came out

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No idea when Microsoft started using it everywhere

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I used them a lot but I dont predate net 5.0 and dont like to go earlier than that 🙁

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 5:56 PM

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Saw this and got super excited

#

My excitement was very quickly squashed

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 5:56 PM

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I remember seeing that absolutely cursed feature

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 5:57 PM

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Still useful for source generators, but like... sad

#

This part of C3 13 looks nice

#

Not that I'll get to use it

worn remnant Sep 23, 2025, 6:00 PM

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i think it would be cool if you could still implement the property but just use field anyway and let the compiler declare the backing field

#

is it a lot of work to declare the backing field? of course not

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:00 PM

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Is that not what that is

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:01 PM

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is that not exactly what this is

worn remnant Sep 23, 2025, 6:01 PM

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it says "in an automatically implemented property"

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:01 PM

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you don't have to declare the backing field anymore and can just use the new field "keyword" to access the one that has always been generated behind the scenes for properties

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:01 PM

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I assumed it meant you could do get => field + 1; set => field = value - 1;

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Without declaring a separate one yourself

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:02 PM

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ever since C# no longer mandated you to declare the backing field yourself for properties it's been declaring it for you behind the scenes

worn remnant Sep 23, 2025, 6:02 PM

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i thought automatically implemented meant the ones where you just say get; private set; or w/e

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without giving bodies for them

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:02 PM

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now you just now longer have to do it manually even when you do need to access this backing field directly

#

yeah it used to generate the backing fields automatically if you use that get; set; syntax but now if you do need to do something special with the backing field you can now still not manually define the backing field and do like

{ get; set => field = sanitize(value) } or whatever

#

in the past the moment you needed to do something like that you had to go back to manually implementing your backing field

worn remnant Sep 23, 2025, 6:09 PM

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this page seems to imply that this works only if you don't have logic in your getter (i.e. if you're not using just get; then you would still need to declare the backing field)

#

happy to be corrected if that is wrong

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:10 PM

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Set is usually the one I care about anyways, so I'd be fine with that

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:10 PM

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oh yeah idk I never even considered doing something with it in the getter path

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access monitoring maybe

worn remnant Sep 23, 2025, 6:10 PM

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i would use it in stardew, for example, to lazy load data only when called for

#

and obviously declaring a backing field is not a lot of work or anything but it's annoying /lh

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:11 PM

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if the Lazy<T> doesn't fit your needs in that scenario that might be neat

worn remnant Sep 23, 2025, 6:12 PM

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maybe it does! i've never used a lazy<t>

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:13 PM

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tbh I haven't used it much either

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I tend to just have some (static) readonly field

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that's not as precise as when a specific thing is asked for tho

rain apex Sep 23, 2025, 6:15 PM

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I don't understand how to uninit a lazy

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So i only used it a couple of times

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:15 PM

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... uninit?

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it ceases to be initialized...

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:15 PM

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worn remnant maybe it does! i've never used a lazy<t>

I'm lazy so I love lazy

rain apex Sep 23, 2025, 6:16 PM

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Well in modding land

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:16 PM

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(You don't uninit a lazy. I just replace it with a new instance with the same delegate)

rain apex Sep 23, 2025, 6:16 PM

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There's many things that need to be invalidated

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:16 PM

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Maybe one day I'll make a shiny extension method that does the copying of the delegate instance SDVpuffersquee

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:17 PM

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clearly you need the #[cached] macro from the rust crate

worn remnant Sep 23, 2025, 6:18 PM

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i've had success with properties filling their backing fields inside the getters, i've been converting my old code to use it, and i will not be swayed by your sorcerer's ways /lh

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:18 PM

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@lru_cache my beloved

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:18 PM

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(#[cached] caches the result with some specific set of inputs and then just returns that value again if those inputs happen again)

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:18 PM

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Anywyas I no longer have the time to mod

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I don't even have time to play

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So is academic

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:19 PM

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a busy life

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hc_pensive

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I have plenty time after work but I'm often too tired

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:20 PM

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code detects a span on the stack when ldlen is used in the bytecode
ILSpy shows no spans used in that method
Me: ????

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(I suspect it's still using the .net8 mscorlib, despite running in .net6 now)

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:24 PM

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everything is a span

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I have no idea what an ldlen is

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but good luck

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:25 PM

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I mean, a bool[] should be detected as an array instead of it dying

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:26 PM

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safe dragon I have no idea what an ldlen is

Code crime stuff (CIL opcodes, your favorite thing to be horrified about when hearing about C# SDV modding)

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:26 PM

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oh no you're programming directly with opcodes again

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:26 PM

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Even worse

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Turning those opcodes into java ones

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:26 PM

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oh no

rain apex Sep 23, 2025, 6:26 PM

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Idk crumble emitting a single opcode won't hurt you

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:26 PM

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it won't hurt me but it will hurt my program

rain apex Sep 23, 2025, 6:26 PM

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Is this the minecraft mod with c# crimes

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:27 PM

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rain apex Is this the minecraft mod with c# crimes

Yes, it crossed my mind to try with older .net

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Instead of .net 8

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Currently .net6

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:28 PM

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time to go back to .net 3.5

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it's not EOL yet

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:28 PM

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Plz no

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:29 PM

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why is slowmode enabled

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we send like 1 message a minute

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:31 PM

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Is a bool[] pinned that different from a bool[]

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 6:31 PM

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safe dragon why is slowmode enabled

the robots know it will annoy you

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:32 PM

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Oh it's that and bool* that it's complaining about

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(BitArray bool[] constructor)

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Well, bool* isn't being used with ldlen, but it was span-ified too

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:33 PM

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a pointer was spanified?

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:33 PM

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Seems like it

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:34 PM

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Makes sense tbh

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:34 PM

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what if it spanifies the pointer inside the span

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span spans

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:34 PM

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Crumble did I ever show you this

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:34 PM

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(the first two are this and the argument to the method)

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"Wait what's ./top"
Do I look like I know what I'm doing

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:35 PM

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I don't even know what language I'm looking at

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:35 PM

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https://github.com/atravita-mods/StardewMods/blob/d449970ef87b272ddb4b7ed305935fbb9d4fc402/RefreshedRandom/Framework/PRNG/SeededXoshiroFactory.cs#L89

GitHub

StardewMods/RefreshedRandom/Framework/PRNG/SeededXoshiroFactory.cs ...

Contribute to atravita-mods/StardewMods development by creating an account on GitHub.

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:35 PM

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safe dragon I don't even know what language I'm looking at

Left is ilspy, right is the stack map the C# to java thing made

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:36 PM

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is that what .NET CIL looks like

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damn it's vectorizing

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simd magic my beloved

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:36 PM

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Well, the left was already vectorized

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:37 PM

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Back when I first had this idea I thought it'd be simple, but I didn't account for:

Java using type erasure for generics
Java exception handling being just different enough than C#'s to be troublesome

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:37 PM

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oh yes it was

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:37 PM

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I dont think roslyn will vectorize for you

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:37 PM

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Oh, and spans

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:37 PM

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Jit will roslyn won't

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:37 PM

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shakes fist

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:37 PM

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honestly why did you ever think this would be simple

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:37 PM

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Anyways

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:37 PM

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safe dragon honestly why did you ever think this would be simple

Hubris

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:37 PM

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Crumble plz observe me casually emitting a pointer

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:38 PM

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(And I've worked with both java bytecode and C# bytecode before, so how hard could it be?)

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:38 PM

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I shall observe you emitting a pointer

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I've never worked with bytecode before at all...

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:38 PM

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The "joys" of modding

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:38 PM

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I've opened that .NET IL window a few times in jetbrains rider

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:39 PM

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(To be fair I did some bytecode crimes for vanilla SDV at one point too, as an optimization thing)

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:39 PM

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is stardew valley a lot more demanding than it is in my head

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why would you need crimes

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:40 PM

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Because of local splitscreen and the large amount of static state the game uses

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:40 PM

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static state and split screen sounds like a bad combination

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:40 PM

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So what it does in local splitscreen is swap out every* static variable with the value for the corresponding "game instance".
(* some are excluded)

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(This is still single threaded)

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And that'd would've been super problematic with reflection

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For performance

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So I used reflection.emit or whatever it is to generate an assembly at runtime that sets and gets values on a special type with a value for each static field

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Could probably just use source generators nowadays to be honest

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But that was in the before times

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:42 PM

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fascinating

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static state where there should be static state reminds me of an old web application at work using sticky sessions where different tabs would be sharing the same session state which would cause the most bizarre inexplicable bugs sometimes cause someone changed something in 1 tab and it just breaks something random in another tab

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:43 PM

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I'm sure the modders who were around when local splitscreen came out and saw that code were absolutely horrified

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:43 PM

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safe dragon static state where there should be static state reminds me of an old web applica...

This reminds me of those sites that break if you have more than one tab of it open. Thanks, I hate that memory

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:44 PM

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would you be happy to know that microsoft still tells you to use sticky sessions for their modern new Blazor Server framework

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:44 PM

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The more I hear about C# web dev the more I hate it

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(And the little I've done with it, too)

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:44 PM

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this old web application was ASP.NET Web Forms

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:45 PM

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There was something at my last job that I really needed to do something (for debugging purposes I believe) and I just... couldn't

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Might've been test related?

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Like it's been a known issue for years and basically no activity on it

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:45 PM

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it'd be less bad with blazor for sure compared to Web Forms but it's miserable and if you need load balancing it becomes very complicated with the only ok solution being some cloud service from azure that they made themselves

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sticky sessions being the ugly alternative workaround where you essentially just don't load balance requests anymore but just try to keep specific users connected to a specific server which means that if you introduce an extra server to distribute the load better it doesn't work because every person who has already tried to connect is being wired to the same older servers with the new one being practically empty

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🙏

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that was the source of much pain

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:48 PM

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devout vault Is a `bool[] pinned` that different from a `bool[]`

(It is because the bool[] is pinned. Why.)

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I never really understood pinned variables but like

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:48 PM

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idk I only know pinning from rust

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:48 PM

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Why should that make it be treated like a pointer

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:48 PM

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I mean is that not what it is

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it pins the data to a specific memory location

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:49 PM

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I don't think Java can even do that though

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So what is this code trying to make happen???

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How much breaks if I remove || fromType.IsPinned from here, I wonder

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Ah, death. I see

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:51 PM

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Pinning just prevents the GC from moving it around

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The main use of pinning is that you want to use a pointer with it

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Else you dont care

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:52 PM

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That's what I thought

crystal wren Sep 23, 2025, 6:52 PM

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On the subject of Java, this new thing is huge: https://openjdk.org/jeps/519

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:52 PM

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So I can probably get around with ignoring pinned

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(ignoring = just the pinned part, downgrading it to normal array)

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:53 PM

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crystal wren On the subject of Java, this new thing is *huge*: <https://openjdk.org/jeps/519>

Why is it huge

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:53 PM

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less memory is more better

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:54 PM

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Ah, I didn't realize it meant less memory

crystal wren Sep 23, 2025, 6:54 PM

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12 bytes to 8 bytes per object instance is a ton, yeah.

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:54 PM

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more specifically heap size

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idk java tho

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java confuses me

crystal wren Sep 23, 2025, 6:54 PM

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I actually like the language, but the build systems just make me hurt.

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:55 PM

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12 is also awkward because it's not a multiple of 64

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:55 PM

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crystal wren 12 bytes to 8 bytes *per object instance* is a *ton*, yeah.

I didn't even see that part

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:55 PM

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cinder karma 12 is also awkward because it's not a multiple of 64

Why is 74 special

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 6:55 PM

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That's really cool

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 6:55 PM

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Ah

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So, better for word alignment as well?

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 6:57 PM

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cache locality, one of those fancy things I technically understand but also have never in my life consciously thought about

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 7:02 PM

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I love modifying code to say

if ( some condition is true )
{
  actuallyNoItIsnt();
}

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 7:03 PM

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"nuh uh"

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 7:05 PM

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static void ext(this SomeClass c) { c.DoSomething(); }

instanceOfSomeClass.ext();

NRE at extension method, but going up one frame to where it is called shows instanceOfSomeClass is not null SDVPufferThink

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(This is Mono.Cecil)

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But it is being called from stuff I added last time I did this... Hmm

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Oh wait I have a catch there that's basically "we're ignoring this for now, worry about it if it causes problems later" and the actual issue I'm having is elsewhere

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 7:18 PM

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Oh, AI forward VSCode update

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 7:18 PM

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😔

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What now

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I already get tired of closing copilot every time I open vscode

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 7:19 PM

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helix 🙏 no ai

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love visual studio installer breaking on me for the 300th time only to then finally get the patch notes screen after the update and 90% of it is copilot things

fleet wren Sep 23, 2025, 7:23 PM

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helix looks interesting but I feel like I’d have to set aside an afternoon to rewire my brain’s vim hotkeys

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 7:23 PM

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since I still use visual studio with the vim plugin I keep using both

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it's going surprisingly ok

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I mean it fucks me up regularly but it's working out ok

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at this point it's mostly fucking me up when I go back to vim keybinds cause I haven't written nearly as much C# lately

pliant snow Sep 23, 2025, 7:25 PM

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Theres an evil-helix fork which adds neovim bindings lol

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 7:50 PM

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What do you write when it isn't c# crumble

thin estuary Sep 23, 2025, 7:55 PM

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just paid for JetBrains dotUltimate

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:03 PM

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cinder karma What do you write when it isn't c# crumble

typescript/html/css and some SQL. Used to write a lot of SQL at my old job but here there's an actual database guy so I don't do it that much rn

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 8:24 PM

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What are you planning with dotUltimate

thin estuary Sep 23, 2025, 8:30 PM

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i got too used to it

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and they no longer give out the open source licenses to small guys like me

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the open source license was basically dotUltimate but free

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i wanted to profile something the other day, after the open source license ended

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NOPE! it's paid

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i also couldn't use it for a game project i was contracted for, had to use VS for that

dusty pollen Sep 23, 2025, 8:32 PM

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safe dragon typescript/html/css and some SQL. Used to write a lot of SQL at my old job but h...

funniest thing at my (gap year/mid uni) internship was the one 30 year old database expert "intern" the year before us who came from a country whose degrees aren't recognised in the UK so he was forced to get a new one and for some reason did an entry level internship for a year while doing it pffft so he was our intern team's "database guy"

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:33 PM

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ah one of those

dusty pollen Sep 23, 2025, 8:34 PM

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the reason I know he definitely did have the database experience was that he used fancy joins and unions without anyone even threatening him to do so /j

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:34 PM

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😌

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I've used many joins

dusty pollen Sep 23, 2025, 8:35 PM

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(I was actually the only intern in my year who could actually use joins to query his stuff lmao)

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:35 PM

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I also used a merge recently

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exciting stuff

dusty pollen Sep 23, 2025, 8:35 PM

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witchcraft

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:38 PM

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I don't really consider myself a database guy even though I've written likely thousands of lines of sql stored procedures

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 8:39 PM

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I ran a query that didn't return after 2 hours of it running the other day, so you might call me an expert SDVkrobusgiggle

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:39 PM

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impressive

lethal walrus Sep 23, 2025, 8:40 PM

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I've used a foreign key

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:40 PM

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colleague of mine wrote an infinitely looping recursive query today

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 8:40 PM

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a COUNT subquery and a DISTINCT will do it, apparently

lethal walrus Sep 23, 2025, 8:40 PM

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Pretty much most impressive thing I've done

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:40 PM

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distinct... counts

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 8:41 PM

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the subquery was for a where condition

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there's def a better way to write it, I just got distracted while waiting for it

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:41 PM

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tbh one thing I've learnt is that database engine are borderline witchcraft. Sometimes queries you think would be super slow run in like 20 milliseconds and then you give it a, to you, simple query and it needs 2 seconds

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 8:42 PM

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it usually comes down to how much stuff it has to juggle in memory at once, so if you make it distinct across four fields and run a complex subquery for each case, it'll bloat up and probably not return

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:43 PM

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so you check all the indices and the query plan and you don't understand why it's doing what it's doing and you curse the gods as you try to add index hints and random other shit in hopes that the query plan generator changes its mind and suddenly it runs in 1/20th the time

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and then you update the database engine and something changed causing the query plan to change again

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in related news

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sped up a query by a factor of 10 today

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by giving it more work to do

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select with offset and limit?
slow.

first select the ids only and then run another separate query with an WHERE id IN ids clause?
fast

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 8:47 PM

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???????????????????????????

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Why

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:47 PM

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😌

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idk

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 8:48 PM

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Well, I guess there's the obvious "not enough sacrifices given"

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:48 PM

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there's calculated fields in the select response and for some reason oracle db is calculating the value of these fields even when they are then immediately discarded by the offset

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 8:48 PM

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probably a difference of which indexes it's using (or not using in the first version)

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:49 PM

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but by first just asking the id and then then doing the real query with an id clause it only evaluates the calculated fields for the actual records we need

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 8:49 PM

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oh, oracle? never touched the stuff

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 8:50 PM

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Clearly they want you to pay for enterprite support so they can bill you to tell you to do the thing

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:50 PM

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so yes I know why it's faster but I have no fuckin idea why oracle didn't figure this one out itself

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 8:51 PM

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i know enough about oracle to know that it's because oracle

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:51 PM

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oracle db flip-flops between unimaginably performant to the most braindead stupid query plans I've ever seen

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and everything around the actual db is terrible

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the oracle db driver for C# has some bizarre quirks

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hc_pensive

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tbh I think once database guy retires we're going to be asked to look into migrating to a different database engine

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they pay like 10 grand a month in license fees for that database

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and even ignoring that uh waves at all the shit oracle is doing and us working in non-American government contracting

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 8:59 PM

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waves at open source databases

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 8:59 PM

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🙏

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 9:00 PM

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We're on MariaDB for most things unless it's a MS-using client

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:00 PM

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MariaDB has support for oracle sql syntax so that's a hopeful option

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oh I said that without even reading about you using MariaDB

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but yeah that's a likely candidate

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unfortunately they might just make us use Microsoft SQL for idk what reason other than that we already have licenses for it

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 9:13 PM

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As Crystal Reports continues to refuse to update the .NET versions they support, some of our clients are switching to SSRS since it already comes with their MS licenses

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:21 PM

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reporting is a whole thing for us as we try to move away from Microsoft Access reports

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 9:22 PM

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We haven't found many options we like, unfortunately

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:22 PM

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part of it is moving to Power BI things built by our newly hired BI specialist and data engineers

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but then there's the other ones...

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 9:23 PM

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we have a client we're moving things to Power BI, but I haven't gotten into any of that yet; working on other projects for them first

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mostly parsing CSVs and fixed-width files out into database records, which is oh so fun

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:24 PM

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we're mostly still in the phase of setting up the infrastructure to even acquiring the data and making sure it's secure

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God fixed width files make me want to scream

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 9:24 PM

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Here's 140 columns in a flat file, good luck parsing and validating it into the proper schema'd columns

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:25 PM

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there's definitely a fair share of data sources our reporting will have to use that will boil down to excel sheets

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nothing I have anything to do with tho so good luck to them

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 9:26 PM

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I'd much rather import a spreadsheet into the database than try to use it directly as a source

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:26 PM

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all the data they need from me is acquired via the web api I build

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 9:27 PM

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It's usually just a matter of figuring out the idiosyncrasies of the whatever Excel library that gets used

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:28 PM

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I can deal with excel sheet imports as long as both sides of the process are programmatic

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I've dealt a lot with imports of excel sheets that are filled in manually and then you open Pandora's box of localization/interpreted data

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the basic but annoying example being Dutch and English exactly swapping the purposes of . and , when representing numbers

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which has caused endless pain

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 9:30 PM

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Luckily we don't end up with dealing with localization much, but yeah I'm always aggressive with trying to validate incoming data

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:32 PM

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English: 10,000.00
Dutch: 10.000,00

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dealing with ambiguous cases is very fun

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at my old job we had this module made basically entirely to analyze these cells and just kinda... guess and figure out which interpretation we should be using

sonic mirage Sep 23, 2025, 9:33 PM

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My brian has started writing a parsing function for dealing with all generic cases of that and it needs to stop, I have actual work to do

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:33 PM

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I don't recommend it

rain apex Sep 23, 2025, 9:34 PM

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safe dragon English: `10,000.00` Dutch: `10.000,00`

Why r the dutch like this

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:34 PM

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the way Dutch does it is actually vastly more common

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of the languages we supported English was the only one that didn't do it this way

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and even languages that do it differently like Swedish still use the comma as the decimal character

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thankfully we didn't support the more... unique ways of doing it like India does

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India aligns with English though as far as comma vs period is concerned

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the commas just aren't in the same spots

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 9:38 PM

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safe dragon English: `10,000.00` Dutch: `10.000,00`

Ugh

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:39 PM

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there's always other things too though

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Dutch puts the currency symbol in front of the amount much like US English... French (and Canadian French) put the currency symbol after the amount with a space in between

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there's of course always the evil bullshit that is the US having a completely illogical date format that gets in the way sometimes

pliant snow Sep 23, 2025, 9:48 PM

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We use YY MM DD, but we move the year to the end with a comma, giving us the perfectly rational MM DD, YY

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:48 PM

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yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss -> best
dd-mm-yyyy hh:mm:ss -> acceptable
mm-dd-yyyy hh:mm:ss AM/PM -> complete bollocks

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in my ideal world we all accept the ISO date standard as the one true only date format

cinder karma Sep 23, 2025, 9:50 PM

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We're using seconds from the big bang

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 9:50 PM

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How does that work with relativity

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:51 PM

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datetime handling barely works as it stands

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 9:51 PM

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safe dragon yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss -> best dd-mm-yyyy hh:mm:ss -> acceptable mm-dd-yyyy hh:mm...

What about yyyy-mm-dd hh:mm:ss AM/PM

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:52 PM

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it's perfectly fine other than the weird shit y'all be doing for stuff like 12:35 PM

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but it's easily workable

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 9:53 PM

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safe dragon datetime handling barely works as it stands

Clearly time travel needs to be invented solely so that we can date time things via a “meta time timestamp”

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:53 PM

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the main upsetting thing is just the US format not adhering to ordering them by significance

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 9:53 PM

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Unfortunately 24 hour time just isn’t intuitive to me thanks to being an average American (as far as “what does this hour equal to roughly what time of day”, not the math part)

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 9:54 PM

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it wouldn't take much time to get used to it

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though in speech Dutch adheres to a 12 hour clock

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well

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when we do the Dutch equivalent of like "quarter past 7" way of saying time that is

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these days a lot of people can't be bothered and say the time as just 2 numbers as shown by a digital clock

seven fifteen

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in that scenario we do use 24 hour clock

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😌

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why do we make things complicated for ourselves

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why is time not divided into normal decimal system amounts till you reach milliseconds

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it honestly surprises me that seemingly the entire world has agreed upon there being 24 hours in a day, 60 minutes in an hour and 60 seconds in a minute

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(leap seconds aren't real)

rain apex Sep 23, 2025, 10:10 PM

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Just use nano seconds since epoch

dusty pollen Sep 23, 2025, 10:21 PM

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safe dragon (leap seconds aren't real)

(they're being phased out iirc!)

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 10:22 PM

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🎉

pliant snow Sep 23, 2025, 10:40 PM

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I mean... im not sure phased out is the right word

safe dragon Sep 23, 2025, 10:44 PM

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the time god approved the pull request

devout vault Sep 23, 2025, 10:55 PM

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GitHub none of these repos have been updated in literal years, what makes you think I remotely care

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(They’re also all Sdv mods that have newer versions in the mono repo, to be fair)

steel kraken Sep 23, 2025, 11:52 PM

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I've been getting those for years for the ancient minecraft stuff still on my repo

worn remnant Sep 24, 2025, 1:04 AM

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safe dragon why is time not divided into normal decimal system amounts till you reach millis...

the French tried this once

devout vault Sep 24, 2025, 1:32 AM

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I love a 3.5 year old issue on a github repo that was closed 1.5 years ago with a "fixed here" which adds a workaround to said issue (with the workaround requiring an extra 1 GB download), and people continuing to mention up to this day that it's still an issue.

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(https://github.com/llvm/llvm-project/issues/53052)

GitHub

llvm installer on windows missing LLVMConfig.cmake · Issue #53052 ...

I have tried both the LLVM 13 and 12 installers (win64 versions) available on github on the Releases page -- both seem to be missing LLVMConfig.cmake, which causes cmake to error with CMake Error a...

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(It is quite unhappy extracting those files from that big download)

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(7zip, of course, has no trouble)

dusty pollen Sep 24, 2025, 2:49 AM

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safe dragon why is time not divided into normal decimal system amounts till you reach millis...

tbf 60 is a way better base for a system like time than 10

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I still feel like we should have made everything base 12

pliant snow Sep 24, 2025, 2:59 AM

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but i dont have 12 fingers

devout vault Sep 24, 2025, 3:02 AM

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Base 32

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Use binary with your fingers

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(Don't ask me to explain how holding your fingers in various orientations is easy enough for that to be practical)

steel kraken Sep 24, 2025, 3:15 AM

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base12 is arguably easier to finger count than base10 as you can count to 12 on a single hand by using your thumb to point to a specific section on one of the other 4 fingers

dusty pollen Sep 24, 2025, 3:16 AM

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imo if anything fingers would be base 11

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because zero fingers up and ten fingers up are two distinct states/digits

steel kraken Sep 24, 2025, 3:17 AM

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and the various added benefits of having the base be 2x2x3 rather than 2x5 leading to many more factors so theres less places where fractions go infinite (but will still be some)

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the main losers are 1/5 that previously is neatly 0.2 in base10 does become infinite in base12, but offset by 1/3 and 2/3 now being sane along with 1/6 and 5/6

steel kraken Sep 24, 2025, 3:37 AM

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safe dragon it honestly surprises me that seemingly the entire world has agreed upon there b...

outside of the second being very arbitrary, the 60x60x24 is just a very nice set of highly composite numbers

your hour (60) can be split 10 sane ways into 2 minute intervals (1/30ths) 3 min (1/20) 4min (1/15) 5min (1/12) 6min (1/10) 10min (1/6) 12min (1/5) 15min (1/4) 20min (1/3) and 30min (1/2) and all be very clean.

100 in comparison which is almost double only has 7 ways to be split up, 2 (1/50) 4 (1/25) 5 (1/20) 10 (1/10) 20 (1/5) 25 (1/4) and 50 (1/2)

(sane being that itself and 1 are boring and don't count, as all numbers have that property)

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and its not really a surprise that every highly composite number is either a factor in 12, or has 12 itself as a factor (with 12 itself also being one)

dusty pollen Sep 24, 2025, 9:08 AM

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iirc the 60 part is from ancient Babylon?

safe dragon Sep 24, 2025, 9:27 AM

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Just like me

lethal walrus Sep 24, 2025, 11:02 AM

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Having some of my servers randomly freeze / take 3 minutes to read one number from prometheus really makes me want to just but a decent machine and then have my own one big server for things

worn remnant Sep 24, 2025, 12:42 PM

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dusty pollen iirc the 60 part is from ancient Babylon?

sumer, i believe, then passed down to babylon

cinder karma Sep 24, 2025, 1:03 PM

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devout vault How does that work with relativity

We each have our own time zone

pliant snow Sep 24, 2025, 1:42 PM

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https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp/issues/14404

cinder karma Sep 24, 2025, 1:51 PM

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https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/an-embarrassing-failure-of-the-us-patent-system-videogame-ip-lawyer-says-nintendos-latest-patents-on-pokemon-mechanics-should-not-have-happened-full-stop/

PC Gamer

'An embarrassing failure of the US patent system': Videogame IP law...

"Bad patents like this cast a massive shadow on the industry."

steel kraken Sep 24, 2025, 1:53 PM

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Was rude that Nintendo thinks Profiler or SpeedySolutons aren't valid prior art for patent purposes

sonic mirage Sep 24, 2025, 1:56 PM

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Any Nova Launcher users?
https://c.org/DzzcSM5n9w

Change.org

Make Nova Launcher Open Source, Let the Community Continue Its Deve...

Can you spare a minute to help this campaign?

worn remnant Sep 24, 2025, 2:14 PM

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cinder karma https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/an-embarrassing-failure-of-the-us-patent...

"an embarrassing failure of the patent system" brought to you by the department of redundancy department

steel kraken Sep 24, 2025, 2:25 PM

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sonic mirage Any Nova Launcher users? https://c.org/DzzcSM5n9w

I am but I only started using nova after the pixel launcher stopped supporting squircle icon masks

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I'm happy to move to anything else that also supports squircles, though will mildly miss the subgrid that nova has

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And supports the Google news feed page thing that nova has a sideloadable APK to enable and get parity with the pixel launcher

safe dragon Sep 24, 2025, 2:52 PM

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oh I've been using nova launcher for years

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a change.org petition is about as effective as screaming into the void tho usually

heavy daggerBOT Sep 24, 2025, 3:15 PM

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New quote added by atravita as #6648 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1420422959067041903)

cinder karma Sep 24, 2025, 3:16 PM

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Good I'm about to create a change.org petition for planes in France to stop doing visual approaches at night

safe dragon Sep 24, 2025, 3:18 PM

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I'm sure you'll succeed

cinder karma Sep 24, 2025, 3:21 PM

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https://share.google/0NMZNqpqVkc0bfxow

The Independent

Passenger panic as planes nearly collide in ‘serious incident’ ...

Aviation authorities are investigating the near-collision between Nouvelair and easyJet flights

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Context

marble jewel Sep 24, 2025, 6:49 PM

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sonic mirage Any Nova Launcher users? https://c.org/DzzcSM5n9w

Android isn't my main phone OS anymore, but when it was Nova was my launcher of choice. I think I used to go between Apex and Nova.

sonic mirage Sep 24, 2025, 7:19 PM

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safe dragon a change.org petition is about as effective as screaming into the void tho usual...

For sure. This time there appears to be some potential existing contractual obligation to open source the project at play, which could make things interesting, at least

devout vault Sep 24, 2025, 11:31 PM

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Minish Cap has a cat

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Important information the world needs to know

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(Watching a person play a randomizer)

supple ether Sep 24, 2025, 11:36 PM

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It does! The cat hunted some of the picori in the town, so they're afraid of it

devout vault Sep 24, 2025, 11:43 PM

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To be fair I'd probably be afraid of cats too if I was picori sized

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(Until cat was scaled down proportionately as well)

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Just saw the cat do a butt wiggle when tiny link walked by it

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More cats???

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How many cats are in this game

cinder karma Sep 24, 2025, 11:53 PM

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Is "has cat" your criteria

devout vault Sep 24, 2025, 11:54 PM

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For some things, yes

cinder karma Sep 24, 2025, 11:54 PM

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What games have you played that dont have cats but have a dog

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(I have literally not played a game since 2023 unless you count these)

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devout vault Sep 24, 2025, 11:58 PM

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Clearly, I need to start a game rating site where the rating is strictly determined by how many cats are in it

cinder karma Sep 24, 2025, 11:59 PM

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None of these have cats

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We do have a bear and an owl

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And a bean

devout vault Sep 24, 2025, 11:59 PM

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0 stars

cinder karma Sep 24, 2025, 11:59 PM

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I mean

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One game teaches you foreign languages and also chess

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The other two are defined by locking your phone away from you

devout vault Sep 25, 2025, 12:00 AM

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No cats, no stars

heavy daggerBOT Sep 25, 2025, 12:00 AM

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New quote added by atravita as #6649 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1420560539561623622)

cinder karma Sep 25, 2025, 12:03 AM

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I'm not sure any of these are up your alley anyways tbh

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You could ask John Green about cats

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What about this one

Meow Tower: Nonogram : r/Picross https://share.google/bwWa6H2AefxwArkJY

heavy daggerBOT Sep 25, 2025, 12:05 AM

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https://reddit.com/r/Picross

r/Picross

The place for help, news, and discussion for all things Picross, also known as nonograms.

steel kraken Sep 25, 2025, 12:14 AM

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if only it was web or steam I would play it

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ah well

prisma flume Sep 25, 2025, 1:33 AM

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what do you do with all these quotes atra

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where do you keep them

dusty pollen Sep 25, 2025, 1:48 AM

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their hat

steel kraken Sep 25, 2025, 2:01 AM

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.quote

heavy daggerBOT Sep 25, 2025, 2:01 AM

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#1147

Tickle the booty 👀

@carmine marsh

steel kraken Sep 25, 2025, 2:02 AM

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.quote @steel kraken

heavy daggerBOT Sep 25, 2025, 2:02 AM

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#6078

Testing 1.6 with the mod-dump folder was a mistake

@steel kraken (Jump)

devout vault Sep 25, 2025, 2:19 AM

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.quote @devout vault

heavy daggerBOT Sep 25, 2025, 2:19 AM

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#6358

Ah, Elizabeth is gaslighting herself too, huh

@devout vault (Jump)

rain apex Sep 25, 2025, 2:19 AM

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.quote @cinder karma

heavy daggerBOT Sep 25, 2025, 2:19 AM

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#5988

let it be known that if there is a vote, I can be bribed XD

@cinder karma (Jump)

rain apex Sep 25, 2025, 2:20 AM

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.quote @prisma flume

heavy daggerBOT Sep 25, 2025, 2:20 AM

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#6499

i am a nourishing fountain of potentially stupid ideas.

@prisma flume (Jump)

lethal walrus Sep 25, 2025, 12:43 PM

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.quote @lethal walrus

heavy daggerBOT Sep 25, 2025, 12:43 PM

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#5746

Why switch mods are a bad idea:

Lack of ease and support compared to PC/android mods
Requires old switch (first launch - ~Mid 2018)
Possible ban(s) if going online
Just generally not that easy

@lethal walrus (Jump)

grave meteor Sep 25, 2025, 2:16 PM

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so may quotes

safe dragon Sep 25, 2025, 2:55 PM

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many quote

grave meteor Sep 25, 2025, 3:03 PM

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iu open my old sdv content pack and the character seems crazy having convos with himself this is awesome

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totally great 10/10

cinder karma Sep 26, 2025, 5:05 PM

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Update: we are no longer using svn

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||I think i like the replacement less||

marble jewel Sep 26, 2025, 5:08 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/joker-sad-frown-frowning-joker-smile-gif-21397575

Tenor

pliant snow Sep 26, 2025, 5:09 PM

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is the replacement git

cinder karma Sep 26, 2025, 5:09 PM

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No

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Cliosoft

dusty pollen Sep 26, 2025, 5:14 PM

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is your work allergic to accepted solutions

marble jewel Sep 26, 2025, 5:21 PM

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Don't you know that Open Source means insecure?

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Security is only possible through Obscurity as they say

dusty pollen Sep 26, 2025, 5:38 PM

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open source means no professionals worked on the project, of course. can’t ever trust those silly hobbyists, they will never meet the high rigour and standards of professional developers

safe dragon Sep 26, 2025, 6:01 PM

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so true

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cliosoft doesn't even market having a source control system

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With built-in version control

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ah it is mentioned

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guess it's source control specialized in dealing with hardware design

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surely it's an improvement over svn

pliant snow Sep 26, 2025, 6:28 PM

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Is it tho

uncut seal Sep 27, 2025, 12:26 PM

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Ok, I might consider switching from VSC since it just completed "Misc" into "Microsoft"

safe dragon Sep 27, 2025, 12:28 PM

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miscrosoft

cinder karma Sep 27, 2025, 1:31 PM

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....apparently mom used to use cliosoft too

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What is this

safe dragon Sep 27, 2025, 2:52 PM

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is your mom a chip designer

cinder karma Sep 27, 2025, 3:59 PM

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No

safe dragon Sep 27, 2025, 4:11 PM

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hmmm

cinder karma Sep 28, 2025, 12:38 AM

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https://kotaku.com/report-saudi-arabia-and-other-investors-nearing-50-billion-deal-to-buy-ea-2000629291

Kotaku

Saudi Arabia & Other Investors Nearing $50 Billion Deal To Buy EA

The massive deal might be announced officially as soon as next week according to sources with knowledge of the situation

cinder karma Sep 28, 2025, 12:56 AM

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tbh after having access to one (1) month of prime, damn people do NOT want amazon prime game keys lol

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 3:55 AM

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continuing from #1414326612215992446 message , their "correct" example is incorrect...

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they have an entire category for "fixing" british english into american

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:56 AM

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wut

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That's only reasonable if they have one for american -> british

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I don't want LLM autocorrect though, normal autocorrect is bad enough as is

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 3:57 AM

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devout vault That's only reasonable if they have one for american -> british

it's because the setting is technically US English, but they don't have any other categories...

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most of their "common" mistakes I've literally never heard anyone make

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 3:59 AM

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devout vault I don't want LLM autocorrect though, normal autocorrect is bad enough as is

this one. this one broke me

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 4:01 AM

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It says "67 year olds should be out on the benches ~~which we removed because we hate homeless people and don't care who else it affects~~COUGH, not participating in the legal system"

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 4:07 AM

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I "doubt about" all of these

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 4:08 AM

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Most of these are just not making much sense, but the first one is even worse in that it changes the meaning entirely

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 4:10 AM

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yup

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same here

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those are both valid? I'm so confused

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 4:12 AM

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It could be worse in some contexts too

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"the February of 1995" sounds okay
"the February 1995", not so much

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 4:14 AM

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I am so glad this correction was included in rider

hushed raven Sep 28, 2025, 2:38 PM

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Surely "February 1995" is wrong regardless, isn't it necessary to have a comma in there, i.e. "February, 1995", when referring to two distinct things that are related?

sand frost Sep 28, 2025, 3:09 PM

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Depends on context

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“In February 1995, six new movies came out” seems fine to me

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Possibly with an of added but definitely no comma

marble jewel Sep 28, 2025, 3:16 PM

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How about, in the 2025th February?

safe dragon Sep 28, 2025, 3:20 PM

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does that imply there were no februaries before christ

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we experienced the 2025th february this year

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:28 PM

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The gregorian calendar was bestowed upon us alongside the birth of christ

tranquil grove Sep 28, 2025, 3:28 PM

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the calendar kind of existed in like 40 BC apparently SDVpuffernerd

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:28 PM

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devout vault The gregorian calendar was bestowed upon us alongside the birth of christ

(don't fact check this)

tranquil grove Sep 28, 2025, 3:29 PM

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(oh, and the roman calendar used it in 713 BC, clicking on the feb wiki link)

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lots of bonus febs

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 3:29 PM

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(we started counting years in 500AD though SDVpuffersquee )

safe dragon Sep 28, 2025, 3:29 PM

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I didn't start till 1997

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:29 PM

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Those aren't true Februaries

safe dragon Sep 28, 2025, 3:30 PM

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I was late

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:30 PM

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Like the difference between homo sapien and those before

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 3:30 PM

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I think my first february is 2001

safe dragon Sep 28, 2025, 3:30 PM

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I was born in a february

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 3:30 PM

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paradox

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:31 PM

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safe dragon I was born in a february

So for most of the year, you've got a partial february in your count of februaries

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(god I hate how february is spelled)

tranquil grove Sep 28, 2025, 3:31 PM

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the silent R is very important

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:31 PM

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(does anyone even pronounce the first r)

tranquil grove Sep 28, 2025, 3:32 PM

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probably somewhere and/or when they invented the name

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:32 PM

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anyone today*

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 3:32 PM

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hebrew does

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:32 PM

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Huh

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 3:32 PM

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februar, all rs pronounced

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:32 PM

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Well that's another language so it doesn't count

safe dragon Sep 28, 2025, 3:32 PM

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februaries don't even have a consistent number of days don't we almost always have a partial february due to a non leap year february being slight shorter than the average length of a february

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:33 PM

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Yeah month length is dumb

tranquil grove Sep 28, 2025, 3:33 PM

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29 days 1/4 of the time because days don't actually split up into 365 even steps

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:33 PM

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Should've just done 13 months

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(And a bonus day for new year or something)

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(leap day too I guess)

tranquil grove Sep 28, 2025, 3:35 PM

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per video game rules, we should have 4 months that are 28 days each
and then uh...one bonus year every 10 years to cover the leftover 29 1/4 days

safe dragon Sep 28, 2025, 3:35 PM

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daylight savings day

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at 3 am sunday it becomes 3 am saturday...

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:40 PM

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safe dragon at 3 am sunday it becomes 3 am saturday...

These people would have a field day https://itch.io/jam/zero-hour-game-jam-2024

itch.io

Zero Hour Game Jam 2024

A game jam from 2024-10-26 to 2024-10-27 hosted by Yrgo_Game_Creator. Yrgo - Game Creator is hosting its annual Zero Hour Game Jam . We will once again start in the middle of the night at 2 AM and work for one hour and t...

cinder karma Sep 28, 2025, 3:54 PM

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tranquil grove per video game rules, we should have 4 months that are 28 days each and then uh....

Smh

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12 months of 30 days

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:54 PM

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That leaves 5 extra days

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While 13 months of 28 leaves 1

cinder karma Sep 28, 2025, 3:54 PM

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5 days to party ||or you know. Catch up on sleep||

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:54 PM

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cinder karma 5 days to party ||or you know. Catch up on sleep||

Okay fair

cinder karma Sep 28, 2025, 3:55 PM

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Anyways

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Tomorrow is national coffee day so appppparently there is a bunch of shops doing free coffee

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 3:59 PM

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I must repeat this here as well

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(Literally yesterday, by the way)

cinder karma Sep 28, 2025, 4:19 PM

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rn_image_picker_lib_temp_781135a9-f2f6-42b3-8609-aa1dd2e493e6.jpg

safe dragon Sep 28, 2025, 4:20 PM

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bcaScooterFail

cinder karma Sep 28, 2025, 4:28 PM

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Free coffee for national coffee day

devout vault Sep 28, 2025, 8:25 PM

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VSCode: "Do you trust the authors of the content in this folder?"
The folder in question:

dusty pollen Sep 28, 2025, 8:26 PM

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safe dragon Sep 28, 2025, 8:36 PM

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no is the only right answer

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there are no authors so it's impossible to trust them