programmers-off-topic

[worn remnant]

i also do a pan pizza, which is a lot like matt's picture up above but in a round cast-iron skillet

[cyan shadow]

but at one point a group had to part like the red sea to let me through

[marble jewel]

Sounds like a scene from a zombie apocalypse movie

[cyan shadow]

university intro week for the new academic year

some of us are still in thesis hell but the fresh-faced babies drinking hard seltzer and bad beer have descended upon the city

[cinder karma]

Ooh!

[marble jewel]

When I first started, I didn't have a lot of success, but what helped was getting a proofing box since my house is usually kept cooler than the ideal temperature

[worn remnant]

you can use sourdough starter in place of conventional yeast in almost any bread or breadlike recipe, as long as you have more time to let it rise and account for hydration

[devout vault]

Huh

I don't even know what sourdough starter even is, so...

[worn remnant]

bread goo

[devout vault]

(beyond the obvious from the name)

[marble jewel]

It's just an active culture instead of yeast which is dry

In other words, you're putting living organisms into your dough

[devout vault]

Oh boy, I love eating baked corpses

[cinder karma]

I remember bringing my bread to work in winter because my office is warm and my home is not haha

[devout vault]

My mom would let dough rise outside during the summer (benefit of FL heat I guess?). She actually made less bread during the winter for that reason

[cyan shadow]

[devout vault]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1mudy12/theystartingtogetit/

Also, gotta say: you people are cowards

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6572 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1407439490036797551)

[devout vault]

Seriously, that was perfect

And I had to quote it myself

smh

[cyan shadow]

hiya!

[marble jewel]

It'll be fun the job opportunities for developers having to come in, learn, and fix vibe codebases for 10x the pay they would have to just build it right to begin with

[lethal walrus]

how did reddit manage to break font rendering that much

[devout vault]

And 100x the difficulty/brain damage from reading the code!

[cyan shadow]

vibe-coded the font renderer, duh

[lethal walrus]

must've

[safe dragon]

🎉

[cyan shadow]

i took a wrong turn and accidentally biked in front of the worst student association in the city

[safe dragon]

oh no

[cyan shadow]

i had to visit them for my own intro week and i don't even know why our group had to visit them

there were only two dutchies in the group and the association doesn't allow internationals to sign up

so the presentation was only in dutch and they ignored the internationals completely beyond giving us bad beer and a limp curry sandwich

[cyan shadow]

all of them shitfaced. their building is quite literally beer-soaked, so this is a default setting

[crystal wren]

They gave you Heinek-

[cyan shadow]

worse

[crystal wren]

No, no, I can't say that.

[cyan shadow]

bavaria

the cheap shit

[crystal wren]

With Crumble present, that might be a dangerous joke!

[safe dragon]

what's the dangerous joke

[cyan shadow]

heineken being bad beer

[safe dragon]

oh

[cyan shadow]

except it can't be a joke if it's true-

[safe dragon]

I don't drink. I think all beer is vile

we good

[crystal wren]

Yeah, I just don't like any beer.

[cyan shadow]

fair play tbh

i like a few

[devout vault]

The best jokes are the ones that are

[cyan shadow]

but i'm mostly a cocktail person

[devout vault]

Watch: I'm a terrible person

Funny, see?

runs away from atra

[crystal wren]

https://tenor.com/bjU6d.gif

[marble jewel]

I enjoy the craft of local brews, but seldom consume anymore

[safe dragon]

tbh I don't think you're going to find many dutch people who think heineken is good it's just cheap

[cyan shadow]

yeah most of the ones i know prefer literally anything else aside from bavaria

[cyan shadow]

i grew up in a city with a thriving craft scene, i love seeing the kind of creative brews the local breweries come up with

now that i've moved to nl i don't see much of that tho

i know of maybe.... 3 craft breweries

[safe dragon]

I know 0

[devout vault]

I think there's several here

I don't drink but one of my brothers likes craft beer places

"why are the silksong-ers going feral this time"
<checks news>
"wait is there actually news beyond the nintendo direct 2 second clip coming?"(a "special announcement" in two days or something)

[grave meteor]

I love those stupid fancy beers

bc some of them dont taste like beers and it makes me feel like a beer person

[cyan shadow]

fruity beers are my favourite for days when i don't want a cocktail but would like to not drink something that tastes like beer

they just taste like fruit punch and i think that's fun

[cyan shadow]

also shroom how's that code accessibility project of yours going it's been a while since i heard you mention it

[grave meteor]

I have it done been busy with school so its been rough but yk

grind doesnt stop

i have a real analysis prelim im dreading

[cyan shadow]

good luck!

[grave meteor]

truly dying on the inside w this shit

any fellow mathers will understand the struggle i have upon me

[cyan shadow]

i don't math but i'm in thesis hell so i get the spirit, i suppose

we're both in hell, just different circles of it

[grave meteor]

i just need to pass or get one q right on a test

[grave meteor]

what is ur thesis on?

sorry i think i forgot how to social bc im having a shitty social day

[cinder karma]

Not funny

[cyan shadow]

parasocial relationships with chatbots and how they influence user decisions concerning personal data

[indigo mist]

Buy Joja Cola™ today

[safe dragon]

ok I will

[dusty pollen]

I told you my chatbot story, right?

[marble jewel]

If any Linux folks are still around, do you have a shell preference?

[dusty pollen]

I use zsh and like it well enough

[marble jewel]

I'm used to bash, but I've been considering switching to zsh

(I tried fish and nushell, and those are too different for my liking)

[grave meteor]

That's a super cool thesis

Sounds like there's a lot to research and go off of

[dusty pollen]

it has some nice features and is VERY close to bash on the base level so you only have to use them if you actually want to

[cinder karma]

I use zsh at home

[marble jewel]

I mostly use zsh on my Macbook because it's the default, but everywhere else it's been bash. The problem is I maintain two versions of my scripts to support both. So it would be better if I just used zsh all around.

[cyan shadow]

there's a lot to read, yeah

[terse galleon]

this sounds so interesting (and highly relevant!)

[cyan shadow]

it's been fun. i'm mostly focusing on one type of chatbot which narrows my scope down a lot

[grave meteor]

has the new GPT five altered anything in ur process?

[cyan shadow]

i'm not touching gpt 5

out of scope

i should bring up the clamouring to bring 4 back as an example tho

[grave meteor]

I see I just was wondering if its implimentation of being "less friendly" has any impact

[dusty pollen]

are you even touching any genAI?

[cyan shadow]

... dammit shroom i have to make edits now

[grave meteor]

im sorry i should have shhhed

[cyan shadow]

i briefly touched on character.ai?

i guess that counts

[dusty pollen]

there's so much to say even without it tbh

big topic

[cyan shadow]

the bots i need to focus on in particular are more limited in what they can do but they lean heavily on the human-like language a la ELIZA

Weizenbaum's warnings made him a pariah but he was right omg

[grave meteor]

interesting so bots trained with the idea of only conversing with people

[cyan shadow]

yeah they don't generate images and such

they serve a specific purpose and nothing else

[grave meteor]

scary they make those

[dusty pollen]

I already told you about my personal weird experience with someone getting very parasocial with an advice bot haha

[grave meteor]

arguable the least interesting form of AI tbh from an applications standpoint***

[cyan shadow]

my specific can of worms for these is the kind of data they use

on their own, they do have immense potential for their use case and could genuinely be useful, but from a data protection and consent angle, they're a bit iffy

[cyan shadow]

yeeeee

[grave meteor]

I wonder if once they feel a model is good enough they will straight up do a full paywall

like for GPT just full paywall to use

[cinder karma]

Quill did you see the recent case wrt chatgpt injesting books

[pliant snow]

I use fish and I love it. It does the stuff i wanted zsh to do, but doesnt require a bunch of plugins to do it

[cyan shadow]

i did and my reaction was roughly: ""

brazen! shameless!

someone should sic Anne Rice on them tbh she doesn't even allow people to write fanfiction on her work

[marble jewel]

I can see the appeal with all of its features, but it's hard to unlearn my bash knowledge since it's such a divergence

[fleet wren]

I use zsh, mainly for oh-my-zsh which takes care of installing all the nice plugins

stuff like commands being green if it’s valid or autocomplete selection

[pliant snow]

Im curious which bash items caused the most issues. I personally find it a benefit i can remember fish's for loop syntax, since i had to always look up bash

[marble jewel]

CachyOS has fish as the default, and I found myself having to look up the fish way of things a few times before I just chsh back to bash

[rain apex]

Gang how do i use just sql to like

Prepend a row with sum of each column

[marble jewel]

Most sql variants will perform math and string concatenation, if that's what you're going for. Are you only trying to add known columns?

[rain apex]

No like

I have a table with a column of numbers (duration)

[lethal walrus]

wouldnt it just be a better idea to run the sum in the query

[rain apex]

They r numbered 1 to 1000

I would like to sql this table such that i have a new row numbered 0 whose duration column is the sum of 1 to 1000

[marble jewel]

column of numbers
Is this one column a numerical data type?

[rain apex]

Yeah numerical (it's duration in ms)

[marble jewel]

So the value of the new row is the sum of all the previous values?

[rain apex]

I know how to select a sum but i dunno how to like, join these back into 1 view

Naw im basically just trying to add 1 new row

[marble jewel]

You say add a row... but that changes the value of the existing table if you're actually adding a new row. Is that what you're trying to do.

[rain apex]

So that it becomes like
0, <sum of this whole column>
1, duration1
2, duration2

And so on

[marble jewel]

So you have rows 1 -1000, and this new row that has the sum of the previous rows as well as it's own value so you end up with a new sum that is double what it was previously

[rain apex]

It shouldn't sum itself

Just sum of 1 to 1000

[marble jewel]

It sounds like you're taking a table of raw data, and trying to format it as a pivot table, which isn't really how tables are intended to be worked with, even though it's possible

[rain apex]

Am i

[marble jewel]

Like, what you're trying to accomplish is perhaps better served as a view

CREATE VIEW AS
SELECT 0, SUM(value) FROM table
UNION ALL
SELECT rn, value FROM table ORDER BY rn

[rain apex]

I guess so, ultimately i am just confused about how to write the sql query

[marble jewel]

A view could union two results where one is the sum you're looking for, while the rest is the table

This way you're not modifying the results based on a calculation, which if you think about it is a recursive task

[rain apex]

Yeah true

Ok it turns out my query was correct aside from not having the ALL

Ty matt

[marble jewel]

(That may not work for every flavor of sql)

[rain apex]

I have no idea what flavor im on

What does grafana use

[marble jewel]

That is ANSI, but mysql, postgresql, databricks, sqlite, sql server, etc. all have differences

I guess Grafana describes itself as mysql-like so you should be fine

[rain apex]

I feel confusion everytime i am forced to do something other than write C at work

But i am not really sure how to become better at sql per say

Aside from use it more

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6574 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1407481971164057720)

[devout vault]

By the way, y'all need to be aware

.q 6573

[heavy dagger]

#6573

I have a new respect for PHP

• Pathoschild (Jump)

19 Aug 2025 @ 08:24:44 PM UTC

[supple ether]

fyi that jump link counts as getting pinged into the thread

not sure if that was intentional or accidental

[rain apex]

we were trying to trap crumble into modding zone

[supple ether]

today I learned that c# lets you make readonly properties

[devout vault]

Huh. Well, this is an always an option for those infected with modding juju:

[devout vault]

Do you mean the keyword, or only having a getter?

[supple ether]

I mean the keyword

[devout vault]

why

[supple ether]

VS suggested it when I added a property to a record struct

[rain apex]

wat

[steel kraken]

navigating to a link to a thread shouldn't make you join it unless you send a message or join it, should just go poof once you go to a different channel again

[supple ether]

idk if it actually does anything? but apparently if you have a property that only reads instance data on a readonly struct, you can make the property readonly too

[cinder karma]

Ah

[supple ether]

In an instance member declaration within a structure type, readonly indicates that an instance member doesn't modify the state of the structure.
from microsoft. interesting. I can see how that would be useful

[devout vault]

That's what I thought

[cinder karma]

Structure types - C# reference | Microsoft Learn https://share.google/Kyg88cY0J2eGB8RNZ

[supple ether]

can you tell I never use structs

[cinder karma]

Structs are the best

[devout vault]

Wow, C# has const correctness marking like C++????

(I actually wouldn't mind that... if it were implemented a bit better somehow)

[cinder karma]

I love using structs then going through contortions to pass them by reference

[supple ether]

they're cool, it's just that I usually don't have a reason to use them

[devout vault]

There's always a good reason to use them! ...they highlight to a different color in your IDE

[supple ether]

here I'm using them for source generator data because I don't want to deal with incremental change detection myself

[devout vault]

(Unless you like the original class color better - I can't recall which colors are which so I don't know which I like better)

[cinder karma]

In VS 2022 structs and classes were thr same color in the default theme

[supple ether]

thank you record structs for all of the nice things you do automatically

[cinder karma]

I got so mad

Had to immediately fix it

[steel kraken]

records are so good I love them

[devout vault]

Like modify some data and the source generator running new files?

Can you not just mark the sourcegen as dependent on those files somehow

[steel kraken]

I was sad when I had to abandon one of them to make some of the json serialization happy

[devout vault]

Ah, right, I thought I remember something like that. Was kinda annoyed the first time I saw it too

[cinder karma]

Tbh I started using primary constructors after a while

I feel like c# has too many class types but I wouldn't get rid of any of them

[steel kraken]

I'm still typescript / data driven pilled and like data only containers

[supple ether]

so the way incremental generators work is you have a "gathering" phase and a "writing" phase, and ideally roslyn can track when the data from the "gathering" state actually changes, and only runs the "writing" phase if something relevant has actually changed.
in order to do that, though, it needs to be able to do value-checks between the current and new values
record structs make this very easy because they automatically do all the value-equality boilerplate for you

[cinder karma]

I see your data only container and raise you some janky dictionary pressed into service

**kwargs or death

Oh, and if I ever use locals() in real code you may take me out back and toss my body off a cliff

[dusty pollen]

I can see how it's useful but I'm confused about why that's called readonly (it may just be the 2am speaking though)

[devout vault]

Right, I did some source gen stuff recently

[cinder karma]

Defensive copies

[steel kraken]

even with records I still ended up with data structures like

internal enum TileDirection
{
    Middle,
    Left,
    Right,
    Up,
    Down,
}
internal record TileInfo(Vector2 coord, TileDirection fromSide, TileDirection toSide);
internal record DebugSchedule(List<TileInfo> route, int facingDirection, string endOfRouteBehavior, string endOfRouteMessage, string scheduleName);
private Dictionary<GameLocation, Dictionary<NPC, Dictionary<int, DebugSchedule>>> Schedules = new();

[supple ether]

because it doesn't "write" (mutate) the struct.

[devout vault]

had to turn an incremental generator I made to the previous style to get it to work with .net framework

[steel kraken]

readonly in a way "colours" the method in that it can only interact with other readonly methods to guarentee no side effects/mutations

[cinder karma]

Colours

[dusty pollen]

yeah but usually readonly refers to the member only being readable, not the containing type not being read, I thought?

[devout vault]

Sounds exactly like C++ const correctness

[steel kraken]

C++ would call it const, but const is already a thing in C#

[devout vault]

doesn't stop C++ from reusing keywords in weird ways

[supple ether]

with readonly structs specifically, readonly applies to other things like properties and ref return methods and stuff

means the clr can avoid defensive copies and speed things up

[cinder karma]

To be fair c# doesnt have const methods

||I wish||

[dusty pollen]

oh yeah I get that, I'm just being nitpicky about the name feeling wrong lmao

[steel kraken]

Remember that the CLR runtime has to be capable to run most of C++ and that functionality means C# gets to inherit the less bad parts of it

structs do have "readonly instance members" aka const methods, but classes don't

[cinder karma]

PSA: What is const fn? : r/rust https://share.google/tY1CRTjf28b1O7nwO

[supple ether]

and then there's anti-constraints like allows ref struct which intimidates me a little

[devout vault]

Wait we have an allows keyword now?

[supple ether]

it's used in c# 10 for dictionary alternate lookups, and probably other things

[cinder karma]

Oh wait that is less scary than I thought

Okay

[dusty pollen]

see I refuse to interact with things like that. I feel like I will only be worse off for it /lh

[devout vault]

You know, there would be one advantage if we never advanced past assembly complexity languages

We wouldn't have to deal with all this AI stuff most likely

[cinder karma]

Do you really want to write assembly

[steel kraken]

at least people don't look at you funny writing goto's when you are in assembly

[cinder karma]

Hush

I will fork and join and fork and join and fork and fork to my heart's content

[devout vault]

No, but I mean, I would've made a tetris in mips after the college course if I had found an emulator that had all the features I had needed...

[cinder karma]

I would love a law that stopped Bluetooth devices from repeating "low battery" for about thirty bloody minutes when they clearly still can work kinda

[steel kraken]

having worked with bluetooth devices before and talked to the vendors part of it is that the devices battery circuitry isn't precise and is guessing based on voltage, and doesn't truly know when its finally going to eat shit

Which became funny when the vendor gave us algorithms to try to calculate it, and then found devices in the field with negative battery percentages as a result

[dusty pollen]

yeah, from the tiny tiny tiny bit of hobbyist electronics I've done, battery circuitry in small electronics seems relatively basic

[dusty pollen]

I assume it also doesn't include the fancy stuff modern phones do to calculate effective usable battery percentage so you don't slowly have it start dying at 20%

[steel kraken]

I don't fully remember the details, but it was long life iot devices.

[dusty pollen]

I'm pretty sure the way phones do it requires some tracking over time anyway, which most of these devices just won't be doing

[steel kraken]

the batteries were originally rated for 5 years of service life, but software and config updates can change that guarentee very quickly

the cases where it became negative were on very aggressive configs where on paper they were meant to die in months, but didn't

[dusty pollen]

ah, so they were using predictive versions of that from the sound of it

[cinder karma]

Counteroffer: just say low battery once and forever hold your peace

[dusty pollen]

but predictive rather than data-driven

[steel kraken]

the algorithm was effectively counting uses of the gps, cellular module and other things and having cost multipliers on them

it was a static equation that didn't take into account more nuance of the device and ran server side, not on-device

the device iirc did have an algorithm in the firmware but it was even worse

we never exposed the raw info or even the synthetic percentage to users and only fed our own UI that then showed "Low" or "High" at a 30% cutoff iirc

[dusty pollen]

that's what most of my devices do, yeah

[steel kraken]

Let me dig it up, and redact anything thats too sensitive

[dusty pollen]

low-med-high

[steel kraken]

the project is decommisioning in like a month anyway so no real harm

[cinder karma]

I'm just really tired of getting my music interrupted with low battery warnings

I'm very simple. I just want to listen to music

[steel kraken]

var wifiOnTime = (analytics.WifiOnTime - snapshotBase.WifiOnTime) * 4630;
var gpsOnTime = (analytics.GpsOnTime - snapshotBase.GpsOnTime) * 1852;
var timeInShipping = (analytics.TimeInShippingMode - snapshotBase.TimeInShippingMode) * 0.7;
var timeOutOfShipping = (analytics.TimeOutOfShippingMode - snapshotBase.TimeOutOfShippingMode) * 2.04;
var cellularOnTime = (analytics.CellularOnTime - snapshotBase.CellularOnTime) * 5555;
var buttonCount = (analytics.ButtonCount - snapshotBase.ButtonCount) * 9259;
var resetCount = (analytics.ResetCount - snapshotBase.ResetCount) * 41667;

var calculatedBattery = (Math.Pow(10, 9) - (timeInShipping + timeOutOfShipping + wifiOnTime + gpsOnTime + cellularOnTime + buttonCount + resetCount)) / Math.Pow(10, 9);
var value = (int)Math.Round(calculatedBattery * 100);

[dusty pollen]

oh. oh wow

[steel kraken]

the snapshotBase stuff is because we were working on a feature to do battery swaps, but none of those analytics measurements would be reset, so we save a snapshot on our side when a battery change is detected to "zero" out the measurements

and while the C# code was ours, it was an implementation of the mathematical equation the vendor gave us

[cinder karma]

I truly, truly enjoy how weird cadence documentation is

-seed -svseed -snseed all exist

Which one takes effect when? What happens when you use the tcl command? Have fun

[supple ether]

mine starts saying low battery when it's at 50% 💀

[cobalt rock]

damn i love how the intellectuals are chatting here

too bad i don't know what the code means

[grave meteor]

I do the classic scroll past I'm clocked out of thinking for the day when I see code outside my thinking hours

[safe dragon]

intellectuals

[grave meteor]

guys imfighting my cats to not consume plastic or coffee

[sand frost]

You could try to bargain them down to black tea

Maybe even green tea

[devout vault]

Kirby was a fiend for plastic. Could not leave it accessible anywhere. (I miss him)

[grave meteor]

I don't know they be scary

[cinder karma]

Looks like a big kitty

[grave meteor]

One big one small

Small abused big then big stomps small

[cyan shadow]

Omg you have voids

[modest steppe]

THE VOIDS

thx

[grave meteor]

indeed 2

I found one outside and the other we adopted (me and my wonderful partner)

[grave meteor]

they are evil

one can open doors

[modest steppe]

smart

[grave meteor]

i prefer the term evil

[sand frost]

Clever little murder paws

[cinder karma]

Big cat

( @devout vault please observe cat opening doors )

[devout vault]

This is why cat households need round doorknobs

(Though I’ve heard with some cats even that’s not enough of a hindrance)

[grave meteor]

thats the only lever handle we have

[dusty pollen]

Casey I now have evidence you're willing to set foot in mmg

[devout vault]

Behold, peak cat door opening prevention technique

[devout vault]

Mmg?

Oh

Yeah I check pings

But that’s it

[grave meteor]

yes all of my handles besides that one are the old brass/copper ones

that are absurdly hard to turn

[devout vault]

But with some pings it’s asking for help or feature requests, which is a lot more than I can handle at the moment

But blueberry was asking about doing work for me 😄 (Pr)

[dusty pollen]

(I'm just being silly because of the convo a while back about you refusing to be in there haha)

[devout vault]

(smh there’s a difference between coming over when called, and dropping in on my own)

(It’s like crashing party without an invite - it’s just rude)

(…yes, me popping into a public chat room unprompted is crashing a party. Completely equivalent, I will not be taking questions at this time)

[dusty pollen]

makes sense to me

[devout vault]

You don’t want me known as the serial party crasher, do you?

[dusty pollen]

heaven forbid!

[grave meteor]

i love to party crash

[devout vault]

My mods are totally notorious for being completely sane and hinged 100% of the time, I wouldn’t fit in there anyways

[dusty pollen]

and this, ladies and gentleman, is what we in the business call "a bold faced lie"

[grave meteor]

its not a lie if they believe it

what a nonsensical reply from me

[devout vault]

Are you telling me you don’t think the mod where you swim in a jar of mayo the size of the wizards tower isn’t 1000% same and hinged?

What is the world coming to these days

(For the uncultured, yes, that’s a real mod of mine: https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/17139 )

[dusty pollen]

of course it's unhinged. it's a screw-top.

[devout vault]

Not this one, can’t you see the lid open on the hinge in the screenshot

[dusty pollen]

then it's not unhinged, now is it?

[devout vault]

That’s what I’m sane. Completely sane and hinged

[dusty pollen]

smh false advertising

[devout vault]

Modders can have a little false advertising once they publish over 50 mods

As a treat

Most of my mods are pretty honest. Json Shuffle does exactly what it says it will

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by irocendar as #6578 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1407697948229505136)

[dusty pollen]

doesn't it require ja

[devout vault]

Nope, that’s the scary part

It’ll shuffle vanilla items too

And it does it every day, not upon loading a save

[dusty pollen]

innovative

[devout vault]

Clearly I need to change it to a trigger action, so people can make extension mods that do it at other times

Haven’t you always wanted a json shuffle every hour in game

[dusty pollen]

oh are you asking me? I think you're confused, I WRITE mods, I don't play them /lh

[devout vault]

(Saw a Minecraft modpack like that once, though it did recipe outputs and block drops and such too. And had a way of locking specific recipes)

[devout vault]

Maybe this is the mod that’ll entice you into playing!

Many people’s “gotta try this” mod is SVE, but yours could be JSON Shuffle

Or maybe even random cats in events

Perhaps, if you’re a true gamer, that mod is Spenny (+ Spenny Deluxe)

[dusty pollen]

no love for spenny lite? I see how it is

[devout vault]

I mean that one is literally just Spenny but less

If you have both, spenny Lite will basically do nothing

[dusty pollen]

all spennies are beautiful, I can't believe you would imply some are less than the others

[devout vault]

~~if I ever get around to making my familiars mod, there should be an Easter egg option for a 1/4 scale spenny ~~

[dusty pollen]

I wrote a draft of a data model yesterday. hated it

[devout vault]

I mean, Spenny herself sure, but Spenny lite objectively spins less than Spenny

[cinder karma]

Smh and you didn't put the data model into a janky dictionary

[dusty pollen]

didn't YET

[devout vault]

also fun fact, spenny is now not autocorrected when i type it

[cinder karma]

Also

[dusty pollen]

(mostly because by "wrote" I mean "designed and didn't implement yet")

[cinder karma]

Guess who made my day today

https://youtube.com/shorts/fUsG8uULU70?si=I3Crn7jaNbzdvV0d

[devout vault]

My congestion is finally gone so I should try to get a little more sleep. (Yes it’s 8 am, but I didn’t get enough last night)

[cinder karma]

My favorite youtuber!!!!

Is doing my favorite movie soundtrack

[dusty pollen]

do you watch his videos with the backup dancers? they're great lmao

[cinder karma]

I'm so stoked!!!!

[dusty pollen]

but I'm exhausted by just watching him

[cinder karma]

I do!!!@

I do actually dance along when I'm busy enough to only work out at home

[grave meteor]

my cats are being insane

[cyan shadow]

@simple dragon Come bear witness to voids with braincell

[grave meteor]

also why is it so hard to find a nice adult community of people online

[simple dragon]

Oh my first one could do that

Godspeed, they will commit crimes beyond mortal comprehension

[grave meteor]

i already figured this out

[simple dragon]

😌

[cyan shadow]

show orb

[grave meteor]

o r b

[cyan shadow]

onyx crimes can break containment from smc every now and then as a treat

[lethal bobcat]

i have a void named onyx! did a double take while lurking

[cyan shadow]

SNEEB

[grave meteor]

void

mine are junji and koshi

[simple dragon]

Onyx came with her name pre-installed at baby jail 😌

[cyan shadow]

she is so loaf

certified bread

[simple dragon]

Right now she's being carried around the apartment like baby

[grave meteor]

ours was originally Janelle and the other "stray cat"

[lethal bobcat]

onyx void

[simple dragon]

Mlem

[lethal bobcat]

yes

he does that a lot

[dusty pollen]

this onyx isn't as orb as sneeb!onyx. he almost looks like he has a skeleton

[lethal bobcat]

those are good pictures, hes huge and heavy

[cyan shadow]

[simple dragon]

She's so good

[dusty pollen]

shape!

[simple dragon]

We call her the sneebus. because she is the sneeb.

Sneebling

[cyan shadow]

snorb

because sneeb and orb

[simple dragon]

Snorbling 😌

[cyan shadow]

[simple dragon]

Snorb actually came first. Snoot + orb

[dusty pollen]

what is eeb

[simple dragon]

Oh, you know how it is with eebs

[dusty pollen]

I suppose I do

[cyan shadow]

how is his grace doing btw iro

[simple dragon]

Iirc we picked it up from a catcrumb drawing

[dusty pollen]

probably asleep. it's two hours past Time To Be Awake For Food

[cyan shadow]

ah

it is now Time to Be Comfy

[simple dragon]

Yup found it

We also regularly call her the rest of those captions irl

[dusty pollen]

which means he's probably already completed his post-food mischief and is now resting in anticipation of his pre-food mischief in around forty minutes

[simple dragon]

oooooooo tiny baby

[dusty pollen]

pretty baby! lightly toasted

[simple dragon]

If we're off topic rn, then explain this!

[grave meteor]

wish that was my cat

i dont wanna do work

[cinder karma]

Cutie

[rain apex]

The sneeb says no work allowed

[cinder karma]

Mlem

[simple dragon]

She is a prolific programmer

[cinder karma]

Ears

[simple dragon]

I love the one where she's about to GET you

[grave meteor]

mine juar sits on me

and asks for kisses

[simple dragon]

He doesn't know how to code 😌

[grave meteor]

blah I wanna be a cat all day

[dusty pollen]

she's a programmer 😌

[steel kraken]

she has got me many a time

taking one for the team to get the good photo

[grave meteor]

Whenever i play phasmaphobia my cats be like time to meow REALLY LOUD??!!?!?!?!?

[safe dragon]

oh the cat channel

I have my own coding obstructions

not even my cat... my dad's cats are visiting rn while my dad's on vacation

[pliant snow]

I have my own coding obstructions
that keyboard?

[safe dragon]

no that's an advantage...

[cinder karma]

Cat

[worn remnant]

ah, a fellow ortholinear split monstrosity enjoyer

[safe dragon]

ortholinear split beauty

[dusty pollen]

precious. give attention immediately

[cinder karma]

I feel like I could also be an obnoxious orthopedic split enjoyer

But money

[dusty pollen]

here I also have a cat

[cinder karma]

Cutie

[dusty pollen]

cat shaped

[safe dragon]

nice cat

[rain apex]

Sosig

[cobalt rock]

what a nice car

[modest steppe]

i wish to shower with kisses

[devout vault]

@simple dragon a wild Kailey appears! (Hi, it’s been a while)

It’s nice seeing onyx pictures - most of the ones I see these days are ones smuggled from atra

[devout vault]

That’s a web browser though

[fleet wren]

frontend

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/ken-jeong-community-ill-allow-it-its-okay-mexican-gif-5120930

[simple dragon]

I hide in smaller servers where my tendancy to spam onyx pictures is more likely to form a cult than result in a junimo bap

[simple dragon]

It's actually a .txt file that was supposed to be part of something or other my roommate was programming

Qoth the kitty, z78888888888888888FTRG478/.

[cinder karma]

Is it possible to get a junimo bap in any other server

[simple dragon]

I am very talented

And I have many cat pictures

[devout vault]

The best kind of cult

[devout vault]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xBilK3gT5e0
She seems a bit more worked up in this short compared to normal, I wonder why (/s)

("if you're actually an imposter, it's not a syndrome" is an amazing line)

[dusty pollen]

||semicolons in the middle of a line|| ||in python|| is one hell of a reveal

[lethal walrus]

oh no were you just exposed to the horrors of python semicolons for the first time

[crystal wren]

"Where the fuck did you find a pointer, Steve?"

I want that on a shirt, only to never wear it to avoid the anxiety that someone might ask what it means.

[cyan shadow]

Home tshirt

Not for going out

[cinder karma]

You can have semicolons in python as a treat

[crystal wren]

Does Python support unicode variable names?

[dusty pollen]

watch the short

[lethal walrus]

oh the short

[cinder karma]

Emojis as Python Variables? Sure, Why Not! | by Pratik Choudhari | Better Programming https://share.google/ZNB4JOXYrUuMq8kAr

[lethal walrus]

oh that makes more sense now

[cinder karma]

But also

[crystal wren]

variable_name; would he valid if so.

[cinder karma]

Unicode is accepted in most modern languages but not emoji

[cinder karma]

Sure

; in python is equal to newline btw

That's all it is

[crystal wren]

That's a Greek question mark, though!

[cinder karma]

Oh i hate you

Sorry

We can't be friends anymore

[crystal wren]

[cyan shadow]

atra what is that it's so cute

i want

[lethal walrus]

it's hank green's new app

https://www.yourfocusfriend.com/

[cyan shadow]

... where privacy policy

for the website, i mean

[devout vault]

The short I saw before mentioned he doesn't collect any data

Oh

[devout vault]

I wonder why. If people want to commit code crimes, they should be allowed to

[cyan shadow]

they didn't have a cookie consent manager so i'm assuming the site collects nothing either, but since they do collect beta tester names and email addresses, they do need a privacy policy regardless

i want purpose limitation, retention period, processors, right to deletion and all that good stuff lol

[devout vault]

Is that a legal requirement if you're in the US and not somewhere gdpr-y (I don't know if this guy is, it's just something I've wondered before)

[cyan shadow]

California and Virginia require it

[devout vault]

Didn't know virginia did

[lethal walrus]

they still do have multiple cookies

[terse galleon]

is that why i get so many cookies popups now? amazing

[cyan shadow]

And if you target users in countries with data protection legislation you need to be compliant with their laws regardless

you're getting those because the sites usually also get traffic from europe

[terse galleon]

ah i see

[cinder karma]

(It's super cute but also it's monetized.)

Some of the monetization I'm fine with - there is a cute kitty skin for $5 that if I can crosscheck that if the money actually goes to charity I'm fine with

But the scarves are weird

You get more progress faster if you pay

Which is a bit scummy

[cyan shadow]

(GDPR's territorial scope is:

1. Within the EU
2. Outside the EU if you're reasonably likely to be visited by EU citizens
3. Where you store your data has no bearing on the territorial scope, only on your other obligations)

ugh

i thought it was some subscription model

if there are progression microtransactions then i want no part of it

[cyan shadow]

Hank Green has a global audience, so the second one applies

[cyan shadow]

[lethal walrus]

i really hope the google.com references are because it's importing styles from google and not it cross-site tracking from google

[cyan shadow]

do you know what those do

[lethal walrus]

crumb looks like tracking

[cyan shadow]

actually wait lemme see if ublock fires when i go there

[lethal walrus]

ss_cvt, ss_cvr, squarespace something? ss_cvt is the timestamp i first visited the site

[cinder karma]

Progress is on subscription

But the similar Forest app is free

I dont have issues with paying for cosmetics

But i hate paying for progress

[lethal walrus]

various cookie purpose sites claim ss_cvr is squarespace tracking which i can believe

[cyan shadow]

this is what i got from ublock

[lethal walrus]

yep, lots of imports from google

[cyan shadow]

[lethal walrus]

oh they have squarespace analytics on involuntarily https://support.squarespace.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001264507-The-cookies-Squarespace-uses

[cyan shadow]

I paid for Forest premium years ago but it was like a couple dollars for lifetime premium. it had like. sync features.

it's been like 10 years, they introduced some kind of subscription for cosmetics but it's completely optional and doesn't alter progression

just moar tree

[steel kraken]

Iirc there's a carve out for businessses smaller than a certain employee count / revenue

Like for example my personal profiler site doesn't need to comply with gdpr

[dusty pollen]

https://www.bubbleteagame.com/privacy-policy

[devout vault]

Woe is me, having to figure out cmake nonsense 😔

Like, why is PLATFORM="Dekstop" for... every platform?

Oh, do I have to manually define it

[pliant snow]

cmake is not for mortals to understand

[cinder karma]

Cargo

[devout vault]

Sounds rusty, no thanks

[rain apex]

just write Makefile

https://mesonbuild.com/

[devout vault]

But then I have to learn something new 😔

(Also wonder if it would even work with homebrew quirks)

(cmake at least is common enough to google when that happens)

[rain apex]

is it tho, i feel like there is nothing but ungoogleable ??? when it comes to cmake cus it is so dependent on ur env

[devout vault]

Cmake is?

[rain apex]

yea like what cmake module you have

meson i never tried to use, just heard of b4

[devout vault]

I'm not sure what you mean

[rain apex]

at work we r just write actual Makefile by hand

[rain apex]

there's a bunch of cmake module things that automagically finds the libraries to link to, it messes up sometimes

[devout vault]

The only things I've had to figure out for crosscompiling was a devkitpro thing where they wanted to force me to use msys or cygwin or something on windows, and then emscripten has a bug where you can't override the file extension when using cmake (which is important for the HTML to be autogenerated)

[rain apex]

i felt it was very opaque compared to having just -lsomelib

[devout vault]

Maybe it's improved recently? I do remember that being horrible back in my SFML days

[cinder karma]

Why meson?

[rain apex]

usually i can resolve the ??? just with ld

[cinder karma]

Like why the name

Like why is it named after a subatomic particle

[devout vault]

This is all I have to do with raylib (besides a small thing for emscripten)

FetchContent_Declare( raylib
                      GIT_REPOSITORY https://github.com/raysan5/raylib
                      GIT_TAG 5.5 )
FetchContent_MakeAvailable( raylib )

target_link_libraries( game raylib )

Their entire cmake file for the example template
https://github.com/raysan5/raylib/blob/master/projects/CMake/CMakeLists.txt

The find_package -> if not found -> ... stuff I think is slightly older? Like the cmake docs mention that all that stuff isn't as necessary for more basic setups

[devout vault]

Return of the error I can't remember how I fixed before 😔

...oh right, I had to switch to msys makefiles instead of ninja

Why did I change it back

[devout vault]

(I remember back in these days, despite cmake supposedly being toolchain independent, you usually had to do a bunch of stuff separately/specifically for msvc/gcc/etc.)

[devout vault]

...it took me WAY too long to spot the problem here

really need to get new glasses

[steel kraken]

its honestly impressive how bad the C++ toolchain ecosystem is

particularly compared to modern C# where its just like a 10 line csproj now

[devout vault]

"why is this erroring"

"...oh"

My emscripten and even the homebrew compilers support it, but not my MinGW install 😛

Apparently the place I get my mingw install (nuwen.net) hasn't been updated since beginning of 2024

Found this though, which appears to have GCC 15.2 (and last update was 2 weeks ago) https://github.com/skeeto/w64devkit

Well I don't think that's normal

...why do I have to link something extra for a feature that doesn't even produce a warning when used

(I get why they couldn't produce a warning in the code, but like... g++ could)

[devout vault]

...why? That's such a dumb limitation

[fickle basalt]

Hi, i'm new to stardew valley and want to create a mod, i'm sorry i'm lost

need help please

[devout vault]

Mod development help is best directed to #making-mods-general - this channel is basically everything but modding

[fickle basalt]

Thank you, bot!

[safe dragon]

casey is my favorite bot too

[devout vault]

I'm a cat, not a bot

[safe dragon]

[sand frost]

They’re both 3 letter words ending in t

Basically the same

I once got mistaken for a robocall

I was very surprised and confused

[grave meteor]

hi

speaking of bots I thought someone was a bot for the longest time and they werent

[hasty sinew]

Not as much when you consider how Cmake works. Back referencing works with how it makes a build graph, forward referencing doesn’t

[pliant snow]

TIL there's just a print and not printf or whever in C++

[cinder karma]

Please, there is literally everything in c++ probably five times

[safe dragon]

does it have cheese

[devout vault]

I mean it has access to printf by nature of it having access to all the C stuff

Pre-variadic templates, a lot of people would just printf instead I think

(Once variadic templates came out, it was easier to write a proper replacement, though std::print wasn’t until c++23 or something absurd like that I think?)

[devout vault]

I find it funny that apparently the reason silksong took so long was "we had too much fun developing it"

[safe dragon]

I'll take it over "we burnt out on it 3 years ago and decided to take a hiatus "

[devout vault]

True

I meant it literally about being funny - I don't think it is a bad thing, and it sounds like the game turned out better for it too

[safe dragon]

hope so

[devout vault]

But like imagine telling your boss the task isn't finished yet because you're having too much fun doing it

[safe dragon]

I will be playing this game unless it turns out to be a cryptominer or something

[devout vault]

(Could probably add metroid prime 4 future players in there as well)

[safe dragon]

please let it be good

[cinder karma]

Isn't that every delayed video game

I'm hoping the next version of Microsoft pinball is good

[devout vault]

I suppose, but like, it's very much dependent on hype levels

(And technically KAR 2 wasn't delayed - it just has been wanted but not existed for 20 years)

[devout vault]

Wish C++ had extension methods

Especially with some pretty basic things having to be implemented yourself, like str.replace( "before", "after" )

[dusty pollen]

this is how you end up with leftpad

[cinder karma]

See, I won't be upset if kpop demon hunters 2 isn't good

[safe dragon]

I didn't think kpop demon hunters 1 was all that great to begin with so me neither

[cinder karma]

Those are fighting words crumble

[safe dragon]

I think the movie just needed an extra 20 minutes of runtime to work better

flesh out the latter half more

or really the last quarter

[devout vault]

They were leaving room for the fanfic writers to expand on it

That's totally it

(I have not watched it)

[safe dragon]

[worn remnant]

i have only watched like one clip of it but it does the animating-on-the-2s thing that spider-verse did and that is a treat for the eyes.
there's nothing else in there that is a treat for the eyes, though, definitely nothing else

[devout vault]

The only clip I've seen is one edited to be one of the characters sniffing the fumes from a steam deck

[safe dragon]

oh it's very well animated

it's really only the plot i have an issue with

[safe dragon]

I think they do actually sniff the fumes of a handheld in the film...

[devout vault]

This was the post https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/1m2ry73/everyone_owning_the_deck_at_some_point/

...huh, github got sub-issues

[safe dragon]

relatable

[fleet wren]

my deck no longer has the smell™ 😌

[devout vault]

I've never checked mine

[pliant snow]

The smell is peak

[cinder karma]

Steam decks have smells

What

So it just might be a part of my clinical insanity but I kinda hate getting new hardware

[safe dragon]

what if it were free

[cinder karma]

Even if it was free tbh

I fundamentally hate change

[devout vault]

New factory smell that comes from the vents I believe

[cinder karma]

So the subtle differences will annoy me.

[pliant snow]

to be fair, the smell is very potent, it's hard to miss

[devout vault]

What if someone took your laptop and in return gave you a Laptop of Theseus

[cinder karma]

Fun fact!! The protagonists are animated on the 2s. The antagonists are animated on the 1s

Also to be fair I dont own a steam deck and do not play enough video games to justify jt

[cinder karma]

Look, I'm so attached to the stuff I have i get upset when my mom forcibly takes an old shirt from me and gives me a new one.

I've never seen a steam deck irl

Maybe they dont exist

[devout vault]

Did I not show you mine

[safe dragon]

my mom and sister both also have steam decks

so there's 3 within just my direct family

[cinder karma]

Possibly but also i can't tell the difference between a steam deck and a Nintendo switch

[pliant snow]

but are theirs purple

[cinder karma]

Or, heck. A tablet with controller attachments

[devout vault]

The controllers come off of a switch. switch lite doesn't count

[safe dragon]

my mom has purple sticker covers on the front side

[cinder karma]

The controllers dont come off a steam deck?

[safe dragon]

nope

that's the switch

[cinder karma]

This is like when my coworker yesterday asked me about some 80s rock i didnt recognize

Also some TV show about having a stapler on your desk

[pliant snow]

movie

[cinder karma]

I'm sorry I'm uncultured

[devout vault]

AngelScript now working on both! (Ignore the script being different, apparently the workaround I tried to copy the files to the right place after building is only copying them if they don't exist, not also if they were updated)

Of course I need to get raylib working on wii / 3ds next...

.choose raylib for homebrew, code for angelscript integration that isn't haphazardly thrown together

[heavy dagger]

Choose result: code for angelscript integration that isn't haphazardly thrown together

[devout vault]

(Asset copying fixed as well)

[devout vault]

A wild meow spotted on cppreference

[dark parrot]

Programming

[devout vault]

...why am I considering making a tool/library as a prebuild step to make reflection in C++, just to make registering stuff to angelscript remotely easier

(Most likely using clang since I think I've heard in the past that you can use their parser as like a library)

If I want to be insane I could make it match whatever API was finalized for C++26

[devout vault]

(Yeah no, it uses a bunch of new syntax that that wouldn't be possible for)

[grave meteor]

time for my prelim today yippie!

[cyan shadow]

I think you're probably done with it by now but I hope it went well!

[grave meteor]

noooo its later today

I just need to do one question hopefully

well complete one out of like 8

[cyan shadow]

Aaaa good luck!

[hasty sinew]

So, my 32-bit adder works

I built it from scratch from NAND gates

Everything from the double babble to the ALU operations to the segment decoders to the control logic, muxes, etc

[devout vault]

<computer organization course flashbacks>

(not bad ones)

[devout vault]

@pliant snow Do you see the new picoloader? It uses the same installation method as the flippy drive. (It does require a little soldering it looks like, but not on the gamecube itself)

[pliant snow]

I saw something about it

does it have some advantage over the flippy

[devout vault]

I'm not sure

That's what I was hoping to find out, but the video didn't directly compare them

I watched this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keQBqmzVATo

[pliant snow]

Yeah I think that was the one I saw pop up. I haven't watched it yet tho

I suppose it's proabably a lot cheaper

[devout vault]

It's open source - can't recall if the flippy drive is (I assume not?)

[pliant snow]

I know there's a repository for its loader, idk how much is in it tho

[devout vault]

I see pcb stuff in the repo as well

Or did you mean flippy

[grave meteor]

I did it! I completed 2 questions and left

Deffo not passing but solid effort which is all I needed

[cyan shadow]

Wooo!

[cyan shadow]

Oops

[grave meteor]

I'm not a PhD student so I just need to do okay

[lethal walrus]

i have many so browsers..

[grave meteor]

TOO MANY

sorry caps

[pliant snow]

wow so youre the person who doesnt set them to only have one icon even with multiple instances

[steel kraken]

actually this is funnier

[pliant snow]

My boss uses like three different browsers and I have no idea why

[worn remnant]

zeta and theta are missing

[devout vault]

Me too! But I also have the window title showing

[steel kraken]

this is my actual usage of the browser though.
I'm paranoid enough that I use a separate browser entirely for the work/personal split and don't trust profiles enough
and then each has a devtools window open

[worn remnant]

oh, sorry, just having a jape about beta and eta and wondering where the other -eta greek letters went /lh

[supple ether]

Aaay nice, fellow Zen enjoyer I see

[steel kraken]

Microsoft, why is this needed.

We’re adding a new keyboard shortcut to make it easier for you to insert an En dash (–) or Em dash (—) while typing anywhere in Windows. Going forward, pressing WIN + Minus (-) will insert En dash, and WIN + Shift + Minus (-) will insert Em dash. Note – if you have Magnifier running, WIN + Minus (-) will still zoom out Magnifier, rather than inserting an En dash.

[fast stirrup]

It looks great and AI brought us to it

[dusty pollen]

microsoft finally listening to the people about their desperation for em dash

[modest steppe]

em dash???

[dusty pollen]

longboi hyphen

[modest steppe]

how do u even make thagt

[dusty pollen]

— em dash

depends what you’re using haha

[modest steppe]

window + minus no do

[dusty pollen]

on mobile you can usually long click the hyphen key

yeah that’s upcoming

[modest steppe]

oh

well that is useful SinZ

idk for what but why not long hyphen

[dusty pollen]

alt+0151 currently

[modest steppe]

what

[dusty pollen]

so hold down alt while typing 0151

[modest steppe]

—

that's too much work

[dusty pollen]

yeah but it’s not really a necessary key, is it

[modest steppe]

does this work for other special characters

[dusty pollen]

yup

[modest steppe]

u got a list?

[dusty pollen]

almost everything has an alt code

[modest steppe]

damn, i had no idea

kinda cool niche feture

[dusty pollen]

https://www.alt-codes.net

looks like a good resource

[modest steppe]

thank u

[safe dragon]

it's been a thing for a very long time. I remember using it to type the euro character as a kid

[modest steppe]

�

this is not a heart

oh wait

that shows up as like a ? inside a diamond for me

[steel kraken]

also they were already in the win+. menu

[modest steppe]

alt+3 no work for heart

how do u open that menu

[dusty pollen]

this one also looks good haha

[modest steppe]

am blind

[dusty pollen]

windows key and .

[modest steppe]

does that menu have a heart in it? too much symbol

[dusty pollen]

oh, sorry I keep pinging you, bea

[steel kraken]

☺☻♥♦♣♠
alt 1-6 works fine

[modest steppe]

i am doing alt 3 it no work!?!?

[dusty pollen]

does it do anything?

[modest steppe]

nope

[dusty pollen]

are you in a browser

or in the discord app?

[modest steppe]

no i am in discord app

[dusty pollen]

hmm

[modest steppe]

is it only browser?

[dusty pollen]

no it’s just that some browsers take over the some alt shortcuts haha

[modest steppe]

yeah no it does nothing on browser either

[steel kraken]

the number needs to be numpad

[modest steppe]

i am doing that

[dusty pollen]

do 1 and 2 work?

[modest steppe]

nope

[dusty pollen]

huh, weird

but 0151 did

[modest steppe]

9 does it makes like a

empty space

[steel kraken]

○○○○○

[modest steppe]

[steel kraken]

I remember using alt codes a bunch back in the day to type fun symbols in my name in games or whatever

[modest steppe]

mine borked

[steel kraken]

and for stuff that was really annoying was copy+pasting from character map

like ֎ is a fun character

[modest steppe]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/4256998/alt-num-shortcuts-no-longer-working-on-windows-11

windows 11 seems to have fucked me over

[steel kraken]

im on beta insider builds of win11 and I still have it fine

[modest steppe]

i am trying tutorials

[dusty pollen]

I remember them from the little notes that were taped up all around the one computer room in the languages building in my school lmao

(because that was the only way we could insert accented letters)

[safe dragon]

we didn't have that issue cause setting the keyboard language to Dutch in Microsoft already allows you to type the vast majority of them

unless you need to type Vietnamese or something

don't think the alt codes are saving you for that one either

[hushed raven]

Don't alt codes need the leading zero?

0191 (¿) is different to 191 (┐)

[charred yew]

who has a wechat acc here?

[lethal walrus]

why do you ask

[charred yew]

it's for valorant

do you play that game?

[lethal walrus]

is this you trying to use someone else's account for valorant mobile instead of making your own acconut

[charred yew]

Im sorry, it's not like that. The reason why i asked if anyone has a wechat acc here so that I can make my own acc. In order to sign up in wechat, you need help from someone who already has an acc.

idk if u get my point but yeah. sorry for the bad english

[dusty pollen]

idk if the programming channel of a stardew valley discord is the best place to find someone to help you with valorant haha

[supple ether]

My sibling used to play this online game that didn't have a character filter for the ingame chat, so people would troll all the time by putting in rtl characters and stuff to fuck with the chat

[crystal wren]

I remember the trick of using the 0160 alt code and changing the icon of a folder to make it invisible in earlier versions of Windows.

[grave meteor]

Did you try the... valorent discord???

[cinder karma]

(I wasn't aware you needed a wechat account sponsor)

[cunning anchor]

So totally noob to programming I was curious what's the best place to learn

[grave meteor]

Idk if that's real

[grave meteor]

I don't know but I will say just bc you pay for a learning thing doesn't mean it's better then the free options

[cyan shadow]

What language

The yellow book is great for C#

[cunning anchor]

C# for sure

[dusty pollen]

oh I just looked up the WeChat thing, it looks like they do require friend verification (but sometimes allow using payment verification instead) but the reason it's even using WeChat is that the valorant mobile beta is supposed to be China only, so they're trying to get around that restriction ig

[cinder karma]

!yellowbook

[indigo mist]

A good book for learning c# is https://www.robmiles.com/c-yellow-book

To use this command, type !yellowbook.

[cunning anchor]

Thank you very much 🤘

[terse galleon]

C# is a compiled programming language. The computer cannot understand the language directly, so a program called a compiler converts the C# text into the low level instructions which are much simpler. These low level instructions are in turn converted into the actual commands to drive the hardware which runs your program.

is this talking about assembly or smth?

[devout vault]

Sounds like CIL

Especially based on the last sentence

C# is compiled to CIL (Common Intermediate Language, I think?) which the .net runtime then converts to assembly as you run it

[terse galleon]

i see thank you

[dusty pollen]

the last sentence is the part referring to assembly, I think?

[terse galleon]

does all C# require .NET?

[devout vault]

Basically yeah

You can compile your apps with modern .net to be native using AoT compilation, but it's still basically .net - just without a lot the runtime

[devout vault]

I don't understand why github still hasn't added old functionality to the dashboard feed

Like why do I have to go to the janky page showing the old one (https://github.com/dashboard-feed) to see stuff like this

Oh, this is a thing https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/return-old-github-feed/

Shouldn't have to get a browser extension for this though

[crystal wren]

A plugin targeting GitHub with 7 users feels like something I don't think I'd ever want to trust, though.

[lethal walrus]

could always run from source then https://github.com/Siriusmart/return-github-feed/blob/main/replace.js

[devout vault]

Oh, there's even a tempermonkey version

[supple ether]

Is there a difference between cil and msil? I've seen both referenced in conversations about net

[safe dragon]

isn't the former just the newer name for the latter

CIL was originally known as Microsoft Intermediate Language (MSIL) during the beta releases of the .NET languages. Due to standardization of C# and the CLI, the bytecode is now officially known as CIL.[3] Windows Defender virus definitions continue to refer to binaries compiled with it as MSIL.[4]

[fast stirrup]

https://x.com/ConcernedApe/status/1958887850315018618

ConcernedApe (@ConcernedApe)

Gamer journalists, you don't have to write an article every time i tweet. This makes people think I'm making a big statement or fishing for "good boy points" when I am just making a small comment, like i would say to a friend. I dont always want to be in "PR" mode. Thanks

X · Aug 22, 2025, 1:43 PM

[safe dragon]

new article: "CA tired of our shit"

[dusty pollen]

"CA lashes out at journalists for no reason, why would he do this to us we're so nice always"

[devout vault]

Meanwhile, gaming journalists:

[cinder karma]

https://youtube.com/shorts/BKKMhF8W0RI?si=L1S4rAxOZYmz5nyc

Mods to add your own cats when

[lethal walrus]

The 2tb drive that was dying is finally dead 😔

Made my PC bootloop while plugged in

[safe dragon]

can't believe it held on for this long

[lethal walrus]

Oh goodie energy stuck into terminal on ubuntu

[lethal walrus]

Pretty sure it was offlined in Windows and then Linux couldn't mount so not much activity

But still surprising

I love when I sign in and get a black screen with just a pointer

Well it gets in with x11 instead of waylaid, albeit swapping monitors and one is 3/4 black now

Logged in and out and waylaid works agsin

windows drive still doesnt mount from linux but that's a job for later™

[cinder karma]

Confession: I'm aware Denmark, the Netherlands, and the Danes are two locations approximately but I'm never sure which is which

[sonic mirage]

I had 2 HDDs finally die after 15 years of service. The last one of the 3 is still going.. for now

[lethal walrus]

This is my second to die, but it's only ~3 (?) Years old so not great

[sonic mirage]

Yeah that's less than ideal. Mine were a 2TB WD Green and 2 1TB WD Blacks

[lethal walrus]

First drive death was a Windows boot for probably 8 years so didn't do too bad

[sonic mirage]

1 black is sitll going

[lethal walrus]

This was a seagate something

Ironwolf iirc

[pliant snow]

The Danes are from Denmark, the Dutch are from the Netherlands

[tranquil grove]

I think of the Netherlands as "Holland" way too often, I grew up playing pirate/sailing games

[cinder karma]

The Netherlands isn't Holland?

[frosty echo]

The name Holland has frequently been used informally to refer to the whole of the country of the Netherlands. This casual usage is commonly accepted in other countries, and is even employed by many Dutch themselves. However, some in the Netherlands (particularly those from regions outside Holland or the west) find it undesirable or misrepresentative to use the term for the whole country. In January 2020, the Netherlands officially dropped its support of the word Holland for the whole country, which included a logo redesign that changed "Holland" to "NL".

[steel kraken]

holland is the city/province inside netherlands iirc

its like calling france paris

[cinder karma]

To be fair I also thought The Hague was a court

Like a courthouse or smth

And not a city

[frosty echo]

"Holland" is informally used in English and other languages, including sometimes the Dutch language itself, to mean the whole of the modern country of the Netherlands. This example of pars pro toto or synecdoche is similar to the tendency to refer to the United Kingdom as "England", and developed due to Holland's becoming the dominant province and thus having the majority of political and economic interactions with other countries.

[steel kraken]

oh yeah the england vs gb/uk is a better analog

I made that mistake exactly once talking to someone that was welsh and did not appreciate it

[cinder karma]

I intentionally make that mistake every week!

(My coworker is Scottish)

[steel kraken]

from a power perspective its correct to say its all england

scotland voted against brexit and yet they leave EU anyway

[dusty pollen]

when we went to nl they told us that the reason is partially that holland is associated negatively in english for some reason? and that that’s why almost any saying with the word “dutch” in it is negative apparently

[cinder karma]

Is it?

[dusty pollen]

dutch oven (not the actual type of oven), “going dutch” (splitting the food/seen as stingy ig?), I can’t remember any others

[steel kraken]

do any of the European countries not talk shit on the others?
I've watched enough british content to know about the meme that is France

[cinder karma]

Dutch baby, Pennsylvania Dutch

[dusty pollen]

pennsylvania dutch is just a language

[dusty pollen]

well the uk and france are just kind of siblings that hate each other but yeah, all of europe is like this with its neighbours tbh

[worn remnant]

👀 pennsylvania dutch mentioned

[worn remnant]

it also refers to a population

[dusty pollen]

true

but not derogatory, either way

[worn remnant]

true

[dusty pollen]

(all I know about the amish is from watching ex amish people talk about it though, I’ve never set foot in either of the americas haha)

https://youtube.com/shorts/G8NLJiOEoQg

allegedly real screenshots

…it’s real

looked it up. it was replit ai and it genuinely happened

wtaf

[worn remnant]

i do not want to go on A Diatribe on here but confusing pennsylvania dutch/amish/mennonite is a uk/great britain/england-style mixup and i'll leave it there /lh

[dusty pollen]

I apologise but in my defense I get UK/GB mixed up too and I live here

just shows you truly how little I do know

the article about the ai thing though: https://fortune.com/2025/07/23/ai-coding-tool-replit-wiped-database-called-it-a-catastrophic-failure/

the fact that the person whose production database got wiped is saying he’ll continue to use vibe coding is concerning for our future as a species

[steel kraken]

gb is the mainland/island, uk is the united country that has gb but also northern island and some of the other small islands

uk + (republic of) ireland is the british isles iirc

[dusty pollen]

yup, “the united kingdom of great britain and northern island” (though gb includes the various scottish islands I’m pretty sure)

[cinder karma]

Also Dutch baby is an excellent pancake like dish if not actually well. Dutch

[dusty pollen]

it’s okay, like all regional names, it was assigned based on vibes and a terrible understanding of geography

[cinder karma]

https://share.google/U7T8DkxsQ0gkuU6qa

I get all my geography from vague memories of 4th grade you know

[dusty pollen]

Tunisian Crochet is most likely named that because people confused Tunisia and Afghanistan.

It originated in France.

[cinder karma]

It's why it's so bad

I dont remember anything from before I was 13/14

[dusty pollen]

(the Afghanistan thing is actually because it’s mostly used to make Afghans)

[cinder karma]

We could call it French crochet

[oak radish]

Does anyone know good unisex Fashion sense more cute or spooky outfits?! :0 its so hard to find good FS mods as a lot of them are fem or just not my style

[thick idol]

#modded-stardew

[dusty pollen]

but regular crochet is also french

[sand frost]

Frenchier crochet

[cinder karma]

My new tick is gg=G

[safe dragon]

vim tricks

[dusty pollen]

aren't they meant to be opposites

I know what they do if I'm at a keyboard typing but not if I'm just thinking about it

[pliant snow]

gg moves the cursor to the top of the buffer. = is the command for auto-indent the file up until G the end of the buffer

[dusty pollen]

oh I genuinely thought that was an assignment lmao

[safe dragon]

I don't think I've ever used = before

I've always used > and < for indentation

and when I format a whole file I just use the lsp's format function

[dusty pollen]

I've never used vim indentation commands

[cinder karma]

Yup, gg=G is autoindent

[dusty pollen]

next step is to add a mark to jump back to where you were, and put it all in a single binding via vimrc

[pliant snow]

There's already a built-in mark for that. Use gg=G''

[safe dragon]

fucked up

[pliant snow]

I don't use the built-in marks as much as I should, but they're useful

[safe dragon]

I don't know what any of em are

I also never use all the funky registers

that requires me to think

[pliant snow]

' takes you back to the last place you jumped from, which is nice
< and > are the lines at the start/end of the most recent visual selection
^ I think is the line of the most recent edit

[marble jewel]

@pliant snow I'm giving Fish another shot, and I even managed to port my long .bashrc to config.fish and so far it's not nearly as difficult as I remembered

[dusty pollen]

this is why most of my config is in my i3wm config file /hj

[devout vault]

Me: "Hey C++, I'd like to compare two std::optional< std::variant< ... > > instances of the same type for equality"
C++: "Why would you want to do that? Are you insane?"

if ( other->Special.has_value() == newFunc->Special.has_value() &&
     ( !other->Special.has_value() || ( std::holds_alternative< MemberFunctionType >(other->Special.value() ) && std::holds_alternative< MemberFunctionType >(newFunc->Special.value() ) &&
                                        std::get< MemberFunctionType >( other->Special.value() ) == std::get< MemberFunctionType >( newFunc->Special.value() ) )
                                   || ( std::holds_alternative< OperatorOverloadType >(other->Special.value() ) && std::holds_alternative< OperatorOverloadType >(newFunc->Special.value() ) &&
                                        std::get< OperatorOverloadType >( other->Special.value() ) == std::get< OperatorOverloadType >( newFunc->Special.value() ) ) ) )
{
    // this is insane
}

Keep in mind this is a variant of two types

(Two enums)

[terse galleon]

what is the purpose of enums? is it easier-to-read data validation, similar to the way a drop-down list functions?

[safe dragon]

pretty much just a way to provide a list of valid options for something that's better enforceable and easier to understand than just a list of strings while being cheap due to just being a number behind the scenes

other languages have much more powerful enums but alas C# doesn't yet

there's some more niche but powerful things it can do like act as bit flags for binary operations like it used in C#'s own DayOfWeek enum

[steel kraken]

slightly less insane when formatted but still quite verbose

if ( 
     other->Special.has_value() == newFunc->Special.has_value() &&
     ( 
          !other->Special.has_value() || 
          ( 
               std::holds_alternative< MemberFunctionType >(other->Special.value() ) && 
               std::holds_alternative< MemberFunctionType >(newFunc->Special.value() ) &&
               std::get< MemberFunctionType >( other->Special.value() ) == std::get< MemberFunctionType >( newFunc->Special.value() ) 
          )
          || ( 
               std::holds_alternative< OperatorOverloadType >(other->Special.value() ) && 
               std::holds_alternative< OperatorOverloadType >(newFunc->Special.value() ) &&
               std::get< OperatorOverloadType >( other->Special.value() ) == std::get< OperatorOverloadType >( newFunc->Special.value() ) 
          ) 
     ) 
)
{
    // this is insane
}

[terse galleon]

sorry, what are bit flags and binary operations?

[steel kraken]

bit flags are the notion of storing multiple booleans inside a single number (stored in the individual bits as a flag)
and you can use bitwise operations to extract or check those values

[terse galleon]

so like, the number 20 represented in binary might represent "true false true true false etc"?

[safe dragon]

acting on 1s and 0s directly. Bit flags mean individual bit(1 or 0) is given a specific meaning. Like the first is Monday, second Tuesday etc... If the 1st, 4th and 7th bits are set to 1 then Monday, Thursday and Sunday are set...

it's lot more efficient and convenient to store that way than 7 booleans

[terse galleon]

okay i think i get it

like "i want it to rain on the weekend" and then i can check if enum IsRainy == 0000011

[safe dragon]

I've used bit flags a grand total of maybe 5 times over the last 10 years but it's great when you do need it

[terse galleon]

oh so i probably shouldn't go too far down this rabbit hole just yet lol

[safe dragon]

messing around with binary operations can be a fun exercise at some point

[steel kraken]

its more memory efficient, though not always more computationally more efficient.
but it is mainly useful when you want to check for multiple things at the same time, and can be useful to store all the independent booleans in one place and do a single operation to check if they are the same or have overlap with your desired state

a good bitwise flagged enum, every permutation is a valid state to be in, when you have cases where its not valid for a certain permutation to exist means it potentially wasn't a good candidate to be stored in the same enum

[safe dragon]

most of the places I've used it essentially came down to us wanting to be able to store it in a single column in the database

"which days does this supplier support doing deliveries"

we did once have a bug in our binary logic somewhere that only happened on Mondays which was a nightmare to reproduce cause we had no idea why the issue magically disappeared whenever we tried to work on it

[terse galleon]

oh no

[safe dragon]

obligatory mention of "OpenOffice cannot print documents on Tuesdays"

[steel kraken]

days of the week are a useful example, because it lets you very nicely do data driven rules.
also it can fit inside a single byte so it packs very nicely

[safe dragon]

yup

I've used a far more cursed one before for determining which icon to use in some tree view

which I can't recommend

bit flags there were stuff like "has attachment" "was favorited" "has been distributed"

it sounded sensible at the time but eventually it just turned into big switch case checking every possible permutation

[steel kraken]

yeah packing unrelated things together like that gets sketchy fast

In my old team due to past trauma, the team had a rule of no booleans, and enum each thing separately.
so rather than GoogleMapsEnabled = true, it would be MapProvider = Google
just to make sure we don't get into paradoxes later on, and can expand those systems as they need it

[safe dragon]

I can understand that trauma

an old cash register application I used to develop for had over a hundred state booleans like "inPaymentMode"

then someone else would introduce a different boolean to specify "inCashPaymentMode"

but then someone would forget or not know about one of these so we'd have inPaymentMode be false yet somehow inCashPaymentMode on true

which is impossible

and there were a nearly uncountable number of these situations

people would introduce even more booleans to avoid needing to rely on existing ones...

it's a genuine miracle that the cash register actually worked pretty well in practice from a user perspective

[steel kraken]

when I worked on my monopoly game I did spend time explicitly diagramming out the state model and how states were allowed to transition to other states to help minimize how many illegal states happpened