I thought our SharePoint was just simple websites but I've since learnt we have some absolutely scuffed import/export system between different applications using SharePoint?
#programmers-off-topic
safe dragon
steel kraken
My start in powerbi at least was slightly less depressing as the main data source I used was an azure thing that interfaced with sql server, so it was at least a real database powering the powerbi queries.
but the extra layer of data modelling that had to happen on top had forbidden many:many relationships which made certain patterns very annoying to translate over
but the terrifying part was that if you had read access to that data source you could also open it in excel and look at anything you liked, not just what the powerbi dashboard was configured to show
it did mean that once I learned powerquery and some of the other cursed things that make that stack work, I could just do stuff locally in excel with json files and do fun cursed projects
cinder karma
My start in powerbi at least was slightly less depressing as the main data sourc...
Terrifying? Wonderful
safe dragon
our rule for the powerBI dashboard is that they have to work with prepocessed flattened data put in some data warehouse thingamajig but idk that's outside my job description so idk what they're doing
steel kraken
for data safety you pretty much have to precompute / preprocess everything prior to letting powerbi see it or the user could just grab the dataset directly
safe dragon
the only thing relevant to me is that they pull our data from the api I built
steel kraken
Terrifying? Wonderful
the 1.6 mod compatibility stuff used it, I had smapi generate a json file containing all the rewrites and reasons for mods failing to load and excel could just load and process it by filename alone and graph and compare smapi runs and show the most common reasons for mods to not load
safe dragon
for data safety you pretty much have to precompute / preprocess everything prio...
tbh for us it was born out of what's happening rn. There's a bunch of other access applications engineers cobbled together themselves that directly interface with the oracle database
and that has caused a lot of issues over the years
pliant snow
I thought our SharePoint was just simple websites but I've since learnt we have ...
That sounds like sharepoint alright
safe dragon
I don't even understand why we use SharePoint for that
what the advantage is over just putting it on a regular network share we also have
almost every other import/export flow does that
pliant snow
An incredibly common one, yes
steel kraken
teams is just storing it in sharepoint anyway
rain apex
It's like work version of using discord as cdn
steel kraken
every teams team is a sharepoint site, and personal dm's/group chats will store in your "personal" sharepoint/onedrive
safe dragon
is that why teams has the annoying restriction that you can't upload two files with the same name in your chat
steel kraken
yes
safe dragon
that's terrifying
steel kraken
and why it uses the same style interface for setting the permissions of a file, because its the literal same thing
safe dragon
thankfully we don't really use teams beyond messaging each other
pliant snow
That you know of
safe dragon
lmao
I know one branch of the company has been trying to get us to use slack instead for a few months now
steel kraken
steel kraken
the blur, yes
sorry pixelate
and half of those filenames would also be the stock sharex filename convention too
dusty pollen
I once looked up how to do the mosaic filter in a certain app and unfortunately ended up on stackoverflow, which as always was right in an annoying condescending way
steel kraken
I love my sharex.
microsoft with win10 or win11 has slowly started catching up, but it will never beat the QoL of the toolbar I get in sharex
heavy daggerBOT
New quote added by atravita as #6534 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1403375969636712489)
dusty pollen
(the answer is to downscale the image down to a few pixels and then scale back up)
crystal wren
KDE's Spectacle is... pretty close in terms of being nice to use.
steel kraken
to be fair past me also was already addicted to sharex for my IRC days where its functionality of also uploading the image somewhere and putting the link in my clipboard when it was done was its main job
crystal wren
I still remember my last system before the complete rebuild where things were breaking so badly that .NET applications couldn't save things to the clipboard... which included ShareX.
steel kraken
these days it doesn't upload files anymore really but its region capture experience is still superior
crystal wren
Issue persisted across reinstalls and different drives, so it was one of the core three things.
steel kraken
and for certain small things I do use sharex to record videos either as mp4 or even as gif but anything proper and will turn obs on
crystal wren
Yeah, it's 100% good for little clips like that.
sonic mirage
Yeah I have ShareX's sharing turned off, but I literally just sent some clips in a work email 10 min ago using it
safe dragon
my lord it's good I tested this cause what on earth
I decided to try copy pasting some text from another website (stackoverflow in this case) into the editor and it seems it pastes all of the styling data of the original website with it as well
on stackoverflow a simple copy paste of a small 8 line codeblock ended up with a 168kB large piece of text
ended up doing some preprocessing of the pasted text to remove almost all the attributes and a bunch of html tag types
to bring it down to less than 100th the size
and you don't have that funky issue where you copy paste text from somewhere and the background color of the text also was copied with it
gotta love how this "Lemme just find a simple html editor component from npm" devolved into my building my own on top of the squire library
thought this would take maybe a few hours, instead it has taken a week
dusty pollen
does ctrl+shift+v not work?
safe dragon
I'm sure it would but the main thing here is avoiding people mindlessly copy pasting something in and us now having a field in the database with 200,000 characters stored in it when that is completely unnecessary
these fields intentionally don't have a character limit cause sometimes entire product specifications are pasted into them
largest one currently in the database is 140,000 characters tho so even that one is still less than this tiny ass copy paste from stackoverflow
vast majority of that character count comes from every single html element getting every css --variable-name pasted into it as style tags
probably for the best in general though to make sure people aren't pasting in input tags or buttons or script tags or other shenanigans anyway
you just get your raw html nodes and hrefs and you should be happy
devout vault
Today's infinitesimal tragedy: The smallest RAM a godot game can seem to use (using 3.x and a bunch of disabled modules) is 54 MB, and a .Net game with Aot is 42 MB (monogame) or 31 MB (SFML.Net) 😔
(Might've been looking at options for not using C++ for gamecube homebrew 😛 )
safe dragon
the bevy game engine has been run on a gameboy before
devout vault
...I might be in the process of installing that before you even sent that message
crystal wren
Casey, Rust? 
devout vault
But I didn't want to say so because then it is Known that I am installing something with rust
SEE?
safe dragon
lmao
devout vault
I don't think I'll actually use it unless there's some sort of binding on top
But I am curious
safe dragon
I doubt it. no_std support is rather new in bevy in general
mostly thanks to one guy called bushrat
crystal wren
Bevy isn't even "finished" from what I understand, so I'd be surprised if there were any bindings.
heavy daggerBOT
New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6535 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1403456709019570186)
devout vault
(Just very silly sounding out of context)
(Like, why is crumble talking about a rat becoming a dad)
safe dragon
to share a bevy meme
I swear like 80% of all game related crates with no_std support involved bushrat
fleet wren
But I didn't want to say so because then it is Known that I am installing someth...
Rust ment-
crystal wren
Rust is permanently mentioned in this channel. 
devout vault
I doubt it. no_std support is rather new in bevy in general
What does no_std mean. Like, no (or heavily minimized) standard library?
That kinda sounds like a dealbreaker when the whole thing I'm trying to do is make things less painful than using C++ / general homebrew APIs 😛
safe dragon
no standard library yeah. Cause the standard library does not provide a compilation target for gamecubes
devout vault
Hmm. Well I'm just looking at RAM right now, not like I'd be willing to use rust for a random ADHD project whim anyways
(Unless there's a better language binding for most things 😛 )
...319 MB? That doesn't seem right
Almost 6 times godot
rain apex
What's wrong with C++ aside from everything
safe dragon
in rust there's always a bizarrely gigantic difference between debug and release builds
devout vault
Yeah, going to a minimal example rather than their shapes one brought it to 290 MB
safe dragon
there's a guide to set up your cargo.toml to something that makes sense for bevy development if you're willing to go through that effort...
devout vault
Like that's 86 lines of code and no content, why would that add 40 MB
I did read some stuff in the setup guide for that
Also turned LTO on to full for release mode
Currently waiting for the build
safe dragon
no_std itself would also bring down memory usage a fair bit but obviously then it wouldn't do much unless you implement the parts now no longer provided out of the box
devout vault
It barely went down at all
What the heck
Or I misread, but it only went down 19 MB
devout vault
Hmm, not sure. My C# test earlier was 42 MB for MG (+some libs, old project I converted) or 31 MB with sfml.net with AOT
cyan shadow
Rust is permanently mentioned in this channel. <:SDVkrobusgiggle:898395746875875...
change it back i tell you
devout vault
Sounds like it might not even be worth pretending I'd do rust then
devout vault
// See https://aka.ms/new-console-template for more information
Console.WriteLine("Hello, World!");
Console.ReadKey();
<Project Sdk="Microsoft.NET.Sdk">
<PropertyGroup>
<OutputType>Exe</OutputType>
<TargetFramework>net9.0</TargetFramework>
<ImplicitUsings>enable</ImplicitUsings>
<Nullable>enable</Nullable>
<PublishAot>true</PublishAot>
</PropertyGroup>
</Project>
1.6 MB of RAM
I'll try equivalent in rust I guess
fleet wren
rust bundles a gigaton of convenient debug functionality apparently
https://github.com/johnthagen/min-sized-rust
cyan shadow
the c-rustacean of encouragement
devout vault
use std::io;
fn main() {
println!("Hello World!");
let mut buffer = String::new();
io::stdin().read_line(&mut buffer);
}
[package]
name = "bevytest"
version = "0.1.0"
edition = "2024"
#[dependencies]
#bevy = { version = "0.16.1", features = ["dynamic_linking"] }
#log = { version = "*", features = ["max_level_debug", "release_max_level_warn"] }
[profile.dev]
opt-level = 1
[profile.dev.package."*"]
opt-level = 3
[profile.release]
codegen-units = 1
lto = true
1.1 MB
So clearly it's bevy's fault 😛
safe dragon
I'm not bushrat I don't know how to bend bevy to my will
considering he ran it on a gba and the gba has 0.288 MB ram
devout vault
Whatever, I didn't want to deal with rust anyways
devout vault
Nope
safe dragon
darn
devout vault
I am <opposite of enticed>
safe dragon
repelled?
pliant snow
ticed
devout vault
Repelled makes me think of magnets
safe dragon
deticed
devout vault
Sure, why not
crystal wren
Let's go with repulsed!
devout vault
You know I'd settle for the wii as well
Why aren't there any game engines that support both gamecube/wii and 3ds for my crazy ideas 😔
lethal walrus
why not make your own
devout vault
Because that's work
There'd be enough of that for some of the other code crimes I want to do
I mean technically I did find a couple
One uses python, and is closed source
The other uses lua, but even had commits a few weeks ago
Seems godot-y in that it uses nodes
(The lua one)
But godot nodes kinda overwhelm me
It also doesn't have 2d support
(Beyond UI)
lethal walrus
who needs 2d support if you can do 3d with a fixed camera
crystal wren
It's all about the Pentiu-
devout vault
If it was about players why would I be doing homebrew for old consoles (and maybe needing two of them to play it!)
Maybe I could just use that engine...
And add what I want
This one, for the curious: https://github.com/mholtkamp/octave
cinder karma
Godot nodes?
devout vault
This isn't Godot, it just looks designed similarly at a cursory glance
Doesn't have dedicated 2D (which Godot does)
You know, it's been a while since I've even thought about this library, but I wonder if I could use angelscript...
cinder karma
What are you making?
devout vault
Exactly
From what I recall of Angelscript, it's a scripting language with syntax like C++, but without memory management
Uses reference counting
cinder karma
devout vault
...I wonder if making my game idea would be easier in some ways with C++/AngelScript rather than C#/custom language thingy
My main one, not this
Wonder what the current minimal hardware accelerated graphics libraries are these days
devout vault
This one, for the curious: https://github.com/mholtkamp/octave
I can't get non-windows to work, RIP
devout vault
From what I recall of Angelscript, it's a scripting language with syntax like C+...
...an update came out today. Like, the front page mentions it but it isn't on the downloads page (but if you edit the download link you can get it)
steel kraken
I've gotten too spoiled by C#
VRF (a C# library for valve source2 stuff) was able to aot compile most of its library and even expose unmanaged entry points, and had a poc C++ codebase use the C# library
cinder karma
Rust is permanently mentioned in this channel. <:SDVkrobusgiggle:898395746875875...
Wait I missed this
steel kraken
does that make rust conversations technically on-topic and thus not appropriate
crystal wren
Wait I missed this
You made this happen, I'm pretty sure!
safe dragon
does anyone here actually use rust with any regularity or do we just talk about it
I talk about it but for the most part I only really use C# and the web languages
and SQL I suppose
cinder karma
I write python, tcl, and verilog (many flavors) usually
safe dragon
love how python is somehow the youngest language you use
tcl is from 1988, verilog from 1984 and then python from 1991
cinder karma
I'm ancient
Like the stars
(Also yes I've escaped labview)
Verilog being from 1984 is fitting
pliant snow
This channel is just an elaborate experiment to grow C# and Rust users and watch them in an isolated environment
like a terrarium
rain apex
And verilog
devout vault
I write python, tcl, and verilog (many flavors) usually
You did advent of code in rust that one year!
devout vault
This channel is just an elaborate experiment to grow C# and Rust users and watch...
With occasional Framework pieces dropped in, as a treat
devout vault
(I don’t have a Framework. It seems neat though)
cinder karma
It's just so expensive tbh
cinder karma
When I can get a 2-3 year old business Dell for $150 everything else seems bad
devout vault
I just have a MacBook Pro as my laptop
From right before they announced apple silicon
rain apex
Idk what i should do with my framework now that i do most things on my desktop
devout vault
That’s a big reason why I never got one
https://github.com/davidgfnet/opengx
Maybe I don’t need an engine?
If this can work with some generic old OpenGL rendering library
But the question is, can I get some of the other crimes I want to work
Without custom hardware right now
(Still contemplating that GameCube or Wii game that interacts with a 3ds or ds using download play)
(No idea what I’d make using that though)
devout vault
My brother just sent me this https://www.youtube.com/shorts/PJB2GFZRUMU
devout vault
crystal wren
cve-rs allows you to introduce common memory vulnerabilities (such as buffer overflows and segfaults) into your Rust program in a memory safe manner.
devout vault
I mean, I'd take it considering it has this feature: https://github.com/Speykious/cve-rs/blob/main/src/main.rs#L23-L28
rain apex
wow
crystal wren
How do we install Rust on Casey?
devout vault
I don't think it supports my hardware 😔
pliant snow
time to replace it
devout vault
If only
steel kraken
Idk what i should do with my framework now that i do most things on my desktop
Buy or 3d print a case for the main board and turn it into a small server
steel kraken
As long as you aren't behind CG nat, static IP isn't really needed if you setup dynamic DNS entries
red crest
just send it to me, i can find a use for a second small server
rain apex
to host more spiders yes?
cinder karma
Button can send future employers to button.gay
red crest
in a better world
steel kraken
also even cgnat doesnt matter if you just want it locally
Or things that are outbound rather than inbound, like discord bots in gateway mode
rain apex
well i go outside but then i wouldnt be able to connect to this theoretical seaver either right
if it is just local
steel kraken
Even with cgnat you could setup CloudFlare zero trust or tailscale so your phone on cellular can still hit it
rain apex
interest 
rain apex
i'd have to get another laptop tho
for the 2-4 weeks in a year when i go back to china
red crest
why not just turn off your services when actually using the laptop
steel kraken
You could put it back in the laptop chassis for those 4 weeks in a year
red crest
dont gotta replace the whole OS with a server-centric one either
rain apex
naruhodo
red crest
mine just uses plain ubuntu bc i still use it as an actual desktop sometimes
steel kraken
Or dual boot server/main os
red crest
dont you use linux chu you should be able to do all this in your sleep /lh
rain apex
i dont think it's hard but i am not very motivated
red crest
if you've got nothing you want to host its admittedly not really worth it at all i just like pretending you gotta
crystal wren
Chu, do you have Aseprite installed? I have a quick bug test for you that I ran into I'm going to try to fix tomorrow.
crystal wren
Can you make an image, create a selection in the image, and try to minimise the window?
devout vault
if you've got nothing you want to host its admittedly not really worth it at all...
It's better than paying hundreds of dollars a month for literal years for a dedicated server that you never end up doing anything beyond what a shared hosting plan could handle
totally not speaking from experience or anything, noooooo
crystal wren
Because this has been happening to me for ages, and I finally narrowed it down to this.
rain apex
im gonna warn you im on wayland and if this explodes there's 50% of chance it's wayland's bug
crystal wren
I'm also on Wayland, so it might well be that!
devout vault
(4 years, according to my email history)
crystal wren
Yup!
red crest
It's better than paying hundreds of dollars a month for literal years for a dedi...
this is true! however if you're doing nothing with the laptop either its just wasted watts
crystal wren
I'll test it in X11 tomorrow first.
devout vault
this is true! however if you're doing nothing with the laptop either its just wa...
Pretty beefy laptop if it's causing hundreds of dollars a month in power bill though
red crest
i didnt say itd match the dedicated server, just that you'd be paying for nothing
rain apex
i pay <1 usd a month for some cdn and it's good enough/10 for me
red crest
speeding up the spicy pillow battery process too probably
devout vault
i didnt say itd match the dedicated server, just that you'd be paying for nothin...
Is the amount a single laptop would take actually significant
...guess it depends on where you are
cinder karma
I still don't hear anyone making the combined budget/todo app of my dreams
devout vault
I still don't hear anyone making the combined budget/todo app of my dreams
Depending on how extensive it is I might could try since I want to learn a UI framework when I looked into it recently (ish)
cinder karma
I'm assuming 120W laptop, always plugged in, and 20cents/kw*hr
devout vault
But you'd have to provide details 😛
red crest
Is the amount a single laptop would take actually significant
in my case at least, id also be paying in "why is my room so fucking hot" costs 😛
devout vault
in my case at least, id also be paying in "why is my room so fucking hot" costs ...
Are you in one of those places without AC, because I don't find even my desktop heats my room up much
red crest
i have AC, though my room is small and doesnt seem to circulate air very well, and there are 3 desktop computers in here
cinder karma
Why
red crest
well one is my server
one is mine
and one is my wifes
cinder karma
Are you running a crypto farm
red crest
its an office
devout vault
i have AC, though my room is small and doesnt seem to circulate air very well, a...
Is your door open
Asking for a "my parents always get onto us for having it closed for long for that very reason"
cinder karma
But you'd have to provide details 😛
Ah yes. Right. Details
devout vault
But even then I understand
red crest
my door is open! still gets toasty in here though
devout vault
There's a reason my parents got my a window AC for my room when I moved back in
Second floor just gets miserable sometimes
There were times without one when I would frequently just... sweat all night
red crest
ive considered it but i always just ended up thinking the window AC would be more expensive
devout vault
My parents said the window AC actually lowered the power bill
Because the main AC doesn't have to work as hard or something?
red crest
devout vault
Initial investment still
red crest
so what you're saying is you're totally recommending i buy one of those fancy $800 units
devout vault
But also, big house, plus they added a room by converting one of the garages
So the original AC Struggled ™
cinder karma
Tbh I'm mostly thinking of a mix between my insane Google budget spreadsheet and todoist
devout vault
(I think the current one is better since they've had to replace it since getting this house... but must not be perfect since they got a new window AC for me)
red crest
i may actually look into it again sometime then
i cant really afford the initial investment right now but maybe after another DP payout or two
cinder karma
Except with maybe automatic transaction import
Also this is like, to be more serious, this is something I'm thinking of making myself, possibly via android app
I want a one place db of all the things I care about in my life and not two apps (almost three) and a ducking spreadsheet
Like imagine a world where I could mark down that i needed more eggs
devout vault
Also this is like, to be more serious, this is something I'm thinking of making ...
Ah, mobile app. I don't want to deal with app stores. (Plus, you said you might make yourself)
cinder karma
And the app tells me how much I have in the grocery budget and that I last bought eggs from Costco for $7 and that i have time to make a grocery run after work on Thursday
My god I'm boring
devout vault
And the app tells me how much I have in the grocery budget and that I last bough...
I bet an obsidian plugin could do that
cinder karma
But what is the fun in that!
I need to pretend the right app will make me feel in control of my life and not therapy
steel kraken
Ah, mobile app. I don't want to deal with app stores. (Plus, you said you might ...
Sideload it or be web app
devout vault
Sideload it or be web app
Can't sideload with my iphone 😔 and web apps don't count
steel kraken
Thats why I refuse to go anywhere near the iOS ecosystem.
devout vault
Do you have avoid iphone users like a minecraft creeper avoids cats
steel kraken
I tolerate their existence but they get no support
devout vault
inb4 someone invents mobile stardew modding for ios
"Oh look, I didn't know I could care about mobile modding even less"
steel kraken
I don't support android mods anyway
cinder karma
Oh it should also track my workouts and suggest the best training program
One app to rule them all
rain apex
are you gonna add AI integration for the venture capital
steel kraken
If I was going to do a to-do app, it would become borderline malware to force me to do the thing in the to-do
cinder karma
Sure! And I'll take the money thr VC gives me and go retire
Now have you hit your protein targets for today
What about your key work performance goals
cyan shadow
And the app tells me how much I have in the grocery budget and that I last bough...
Grocy kinda does this
At least, it lets you inventory your groceries
With expiry datez
Dates
Can't spell
steel kraken
But atra wants the one app to rule them all
cinder karma
Yeah I have apps for alllllll of it except the budget because I have trust issues
(The other joke is the old adhd joke about THIS planner finally fixing my life.)
(Except it's that....I don't feel secure not because of my actual situation, which is fine! I feel insecure brcause....why?)
lethal walrus
(what if that's pathos lmao)
Don't think pathos is from new york
safe dragon
part of why I dislike entity framework
steel kraken
To be fair that's not really linq being scary that's just the usefulness of expressions as a method of translating c# statements as a runtime ast that can be transformed into other things at runtime like SQL queries
But it is a big factor that leads entity framework as being a pretty convenient interface to a relational database
safe dragon
and a good one to accidentally fuck yourself over with 🙏
steel kraken
Tbh I trust a c# dev to write a expression query that has type safety to do the job more than them trying to write a SQL query
Include isn't automatically a bad operation if that's the behaviour you want.
And split query isn't automatically a good operation as splitting the query opens you up to temporal/race condition issues as it's no longer an atomic operation.
cinder karma
The one app that rules them all needs to keep track of what clothing i wear
And suggest pieces to declutter
Also track my yarn and fabric stash
steel kraken
I cant remember how long ago I bought a set of writable NFC tags that I was planning on putting around the place to power my eventual personal everything app
and never got around to it
crystal wren
...stealing that NFC tag idea.
safe dragon
I don't track anything other than appointments
crystal wren
I do want a personal personal finance app, though. And something to track food I have and when it should be thrown out...
I think I really just want the same app as Atra.
cinder karma
Why am I covered in spray paint
cinder karma
It tells you where your money is going, etc
safe dragon
my banking app already tells me what I spent on a bunch of different categories with a timeline
cinder karma
I like posting new high scores on the savings rate
steel kraken
finance app would be stuff like personal budget and stuff, rather than a historical expenditure (and potentially predicted scheduled bills)
crystal wren
Yeah, but I want it to be mine, because I don't trust Play store stuff... and the open source alternatives tend to be pretty bad UX wise.
Basically saying I want to try and probably fail to make better than there already is out there.
safe dragon
yeah my banking app just shows history of what kinds of things I spent money on and a future prediction of spending
I need that banking app on my phone regardless so I guess it's nice
cinder karma
I've been watching "i will teach you to be rich" lately
And like. When it comes to basic bitch budgeting I'm fine but alsp I know I have the tendency to just stash money
No idea what for. It's just stashed.
cyan shadow
yeah my banking app just shows history of what kinds of things I spent money on ...
Insights are nifty
I just turned them on recently tho
Savings
cinder karma
(There is a joke i make about it - if you ignore the maxed out retirement accounts and the 50%+ savings rate I'm totally paycheck to paycheck!)
Because my system is "false scarcity" - it's set up so I believe i don't have money
cyan shadow
I throw everything into savings then draw my monthly expenses from there each month, allowing the savings to accumulate interest
... This does beg the question of what'll happen when I convert my student account to a regular one tho
safe dragon
my savings account's name is like "Previously [old name]"
cinder karma
I need to set up Fidelity DCA
safe dragon
I'm thankfully lucky enough to not worry too much about my finances
I just have an automatic deposit set up to my savings account + some rounding feature where it rounds up any amount I purchase up to the nearest 10 euros and dumps the rest in a savings account
and I throw in some extra every once in a while
cyan shadow
Rounding?
steel kraken
I have my work salary setup so that a certain percentage goes into my mortgage offset account, and the rest goes into my personal spending account that I get to play with, and every now and then throw some of that into the offset account anyway
safe dragon
what's a mortgage offset account
I do have a mortgage but it's not exactly an account
cyan shadow
Oh you're with ING
safe dragon
the mortgage is even with the same bank as my savings account
cyan shadow
Should see if ABN Amro does something similar
steel kraken
its a type of bank account thats... linked with the mortages actual account that for purposes of calculating interest will effectively pretend the contents was already in the mortage and offset the interest
safe dragon
I technically have an abn amro account somewhere but the authenticator broke 7 years ago and I've been too lazy to do something about it
cyan shadow
Mine's their student account + a savings account, standard stuff
safe dragon
every year when doing taxes the tax website kindly tells me how much money is on it
steel kraken
(not an accountant this isn't financial advice)
safe dragon
its a type of bank account thats... linked with the mortages actual account that...
interesting... my mortgage is with the same bank that has my savings account but there's no such system
cyan shadow
I have normal liability and home contents insurance instead of student insurance so I don't have to worry about converting those, but the current account on the other hand...
steel kraken
afaik offset accounts need to be setup when originally negotiating the mortgage (or refinancing I guess) as it changes the math the bank will use when determining what interest rates to use
safe dragon
only thing that happened to my student abn amro account when I graduated was that it was autoconverted to one of their other account types
cyan shadow
interesting... my mortgage is with the same bank that has my savings account but...
(That's because the system is rather simple here once you actually manage to jump through the hoops of getting to the point of buying property, I'm assuming)
cyan shadow
only thing that happened to my student abn amro account when I graduated was tha...
It autoconverts????
Nice
safe dragon
yeah I don't even have access to the account as previously mentioned
safe dragon
it has like 3k on it I really need to just call
safe dragon
very true
though that's also a savings account
so technically it's in a savings account either way
I should at least get access back
they recently sent me an email notifying me that I haven't used the account in years
"Don't forget your account!"
"Did you know you're missing some valuable insights about your financial future"
cyan shadow
Get access back, pull the money out and close it, tbh
No point in just keeping it lying around
Separate from your other savings
cyan shadow
ye ye
dusty pollen
Don't think pathos is from new york
I think this person was from the US side of Niagara, actually 
crystal wren
Yeah, it feels kinda weird to give any hints or suggestions as to his location even though it's super public.
lethal walrus
I think this person was from the US side of Niagara, actually <:SDVpuffersquee:5...
stackoverflow said niagra, new york, uinted states
dusty pollen
Yeah, it feels kinda weird to give any hints or suggestions as to his location e...
(does it help that this person is super not pathos? )
crystal wren
I mean that's also obvious, yes!
rain apex
This person is Jesse Team Rocket
dusty pollen
I was just in awe of the "I just want to comment that I'm better than this answer. I am using it but I will tell the rest of you not to" comment 
safe dragon
damn these spam files are being deleted too quickly for me to click them
lethal walrus
damn these spam files are being deleted too quickly for me to click them
would you like the first round's
not sure why you would want them tbh it's just the same mrbeast crypto $3000 free put in promo code
safe dragon
damn 3000 dollars
crystal wren
Yeah, the reason Bouncer blocks them is so we get it all to ourselves, of course. /j
sand frost
I feel like Mr beast crypto is somehow worse than normal crypto
dusty pollen
targets kids
lethal walrus
i think most kids dont have $60 of crypto lying around
lethal walrus
(the "verification" is just give us money)
cinder karma
But I'm ollldddd
dusty pollen
they do have their parents’ credit cards half the time though
lethal walrus
would have to do kyc somewhere, get it validated, etc
and i hope parents don't leave their passports/drivers licenses lying around
cinder karma
Lol parents totally do
lethal walrus
i mean not in a place they're easily obtainable
dusty pollen
for robinhood or the mr beast scam? because trust me these scams target children
lethal walrus
for both
dusty pollen
usually the scams have an easy way to pay directly
cinder karma
(And yes. I did once have a robinhood account. I took the free stock they gave me, sold it, and transferred the money out asap.)
dusty pollen
there are lots of ways to get crypto without kyc
lethal walrus
i dont think there was a card option when i was signing up to the mrbeast crypto scam to see what the scam was
lethal walrus
there are lots of ways to get crypto without kyc
most of the time that's just p2p, and I really hope parents aren't leaving their pre-verified revolut/paypal/etc signed in and on an unlocked phone
dusty pollen
(also, kids are now generating ai drivers licenses for some things apparently)
cinder karma
Parents do that lol
fleet wren
Yeah, the reason Bouncer blocks them is so we get it all to ourselves, of course...
I'm sorry
cinder karma
How many stories have you heard about "my kid spent $700 on fornite halp"
dusty pollen
there is a whole class of scams targeting kids stealing their parents’ cards
lethal walrus
suppose so yeah
cinder karma
there is a whole class of scams targeting kids stealing their parents’ cards
And a whole class of apps
devout vault
I was just in awe of the "I just want to comment that I'm better than this answe...
What were they trying to do
dusty pollen
What were they trying to do
c# reflection
devout vault
...what's so bad about that
dusty pollen
exactly
cinder karma
publicizer
safe dragon
evil reflection
reminded of this song
completely unrelated to the topic
but I like the song
devout vault
Y'all won't trick me into listening to standalone music, you Big Music shills!
crystal wren
I've already been tricked into listening to this.
tranquil grove
I was tricked, and now I'm tangentially listening to Cat's Eye from DDR (silly eurobeat)
safe dragon
Big Music
rain apex
Esca ready to hunt european demons
safe dragon
username322 was paid by Big Music upload Disney's intellectual property
tranquil grove
I was born ready
(wow I've had this ddr collection for a long time)
tranquil grove
diagonal ddr instead of d-pad but otherwise correct
I know someone who still plays that, but the one machine here was busted when I was a teen
safe dragon
we had one of those cheap home dance pads but it was far too unreliable to really use
arcades didn't exist anywhere remotely near me so that wasn't an option
not even the nearby city had an arcade
devout vault
Whatever happened to the era of console games with custom accessories included 😔
(Guitar hero, DDR, etc.)
(Mario party that included the microphone...)
fleet wren
sorry, all the silicon has to go towards making ai chips now
for a more serious answer, I think the early 2000s is a time of "throw shit at the wall to see what sticks" vibes
devout vault
Companies nowadays are allergic to fun, smh
fleet wren
nowadaya 99% of people are content with a regular controller and don't want to spend more money buying a limited use accessory
devout vault
Unrelated but I'm bored.
I don't feel like being productive, I don't feel like watching anything, I've checked all my internet places, and I can't afford to buy games right now
(Steam backlog of games I bought during past sales and never played? What's that?)
fleet wren
The Summer Hikaru Died sounds great I gotta watch it sometime
cinder karma
I'm super excited for kpop demon hunters 2
fleet wren
okay I think it sounds great because it seems like it's going to be very yaoiful
tranquil grove
as one should for every series
devout vault
What happened to the one with thr cat
Which one? /s
(I assume you mean zombie apocalypse but cats not zombies, which I haven’t watched in a few weeks)
cinder karma
The one with the mute witch and the cat that talks?
devout vault
Ah, watched that yesterday
But shes not mute, just painfully shy
I want to program something but the things I want to work on are all at a not fun point
safe dragon
is that just silent witch
rain apex
The Summer Hikaru Died sounds great I gotta watch it sometime
It's about the saddest wettest teenage boy and the thing that looks like his dead boy crush
devout vault
Yeah silent witch is the one
safe dragon
silent witch aka bocchi the witch
devout vault
I want to program something but the things I want to work on are all at a not fu...
Updating that ECS? Still gotta figure out why it cries even with native calls directly (current suspicion is something to do with using C# types for components)
Finishing the AngelScript C# wrapper using SWIG? I gotta figure out how to make 32 more types (16 of which are function pointers) into proper .net stuff (SWIG is confusing me a lot) (also a few things I want to improve but need to figure out how - like instead of a StringList wrapper type, why can't I have it just be an IList<string> considering it already implements that interface)
I guess I could try to find a C++ graphics library using old ish opengl for GC stuff
tranquil grove
silent witch aka bocchi the witch
(only aware of bocchi via fan works)
devout vault
SFML doesn't do 3d, which I'm unsure if I want to do or not
safe dragon
all you need to know about bocchi is that one scene where she turns into a blender model being thrown into cubes
devout vault
(It'd be helpful if I got a specific game I wanted to make for GC first...)
devout vault
all you need to know about bocchi is that one scene where she turns into a blend...
I have not seen this
I never watched bocchi though
tranquil grove
type "bocchi" in the gif search on here that's the gist of it
also she's in a band I take it
safe dragon
tranquil grove
oh that particular one
royal bloom
Hello everyone! is thare a way to port stardew valley to java mobile for old phone?
*phones
devout vault
https://youtu.be/8HEWJiRmw3g&t=9
...wat 😂
tranquil grove
that'd be an incredible undertaking imho, but #making-mods-general for stardew stuff
dusty pollen
what kind of phone can’t run the compat branch of stardew?
royal bloom
what kind of phone can’t run the compat branch of stardew?
A sony ericsson w995
fleet wren
...yeah you may as well be making a new game from scratch at that point
dusty pollen
I’m not sure you can port any version of stardew onto one of those ngl
devout vault
Is that phone that underperformant
Technically I got stardew running with emscripten at one point though you couldn't go past the title menu
With the decompile
dusty pollen
it’s 240x320px, for starters
royal bloom
Can ur phone run linux
I am not sure
devout vault
it’s 240x320px, for starters
Just rework every UI in the game
rain apex
Seems tough good luck i guess
fleet wren
it's less that it's underperformant and more that it's using a proprietary java-based os, the kinds that are common back before the android/ios duopoly
devout vault
And remove the 4x pixel scaling
devout vault
And remove the 4x pixel scaling
Unless you want to see 4x5 tiles on screen
(Technically (3.75x5))
dusty pollen
Just rework every UI in the game
and all the textures and invent new controls
fleet wren
but yes the fact it's underperformant doesn't help
if you can get some flavors of linux on it though then go wild
devout vault
and all the textures <:SDVpuffersquee:562830783568543755> and invent new control...
I mean most of the textures are upscaled, so it'll be fine
Just round world coordinates to the nearest 4 pixels before rendering
rain apex
I feel like getting it to run is the harder part than making it run well
devout vault
You know that screenshot I shared a while back of a tooltip with all the S&S stuff on a weapon? That'd be fun getting working on there
dusty pollen
for reference, this is the phone in question
devout vault
Oh, it's portrait mode too
dusty pollen
it has landscape!
devout vault
I think making controls work like that could be fun
rain apex
Up down left right interact tool use pause
royal bloom
it has landscape!
There's enough buttons on it for everything
dusty pollen
there are, but you will have to remap them, that was my point
but yeah, that’s not exactly the biggest issue, like chu said haha
rain apex
Im guessing it's 32bit anyways so it'd be the compatibility branch
devout vault
how long until a junimo pops in and 🗞️ 's us for being on topic
dusty pollen
see that’s what I’m not sure about. is it even 32bit or some other kind of cpu
fleet wren
"DecidedlyHuman is typing..."
dusty pollen
oh it’s arm, so 32bit
crystal wren
it's less that it's underperformant and more that it's using a proprietary java-...
I have now just seen I was going to almost verbatim copy this.
crystal wren
Frankly, I feel like when we're talking about running Stardew on a J2ME phone... I think that's enough of a gravity well of madness to count as off topic.
lethal walrus
wow 118mb storage
dusty pollen
with support for up to 16GB external!
lethal walrus
and sim support
royal bloom
Vanila stardew valley with modified controlls, resolution, upscaling, UI and diferent code since this phone uses MIDP 2.0
dusty pollen
how much is stardew? I forget
dusty pollen
Vanila stardew valley with modified controlls, resolution, upscaling, UI and dif...
yeah, that’s a years-long, remake from the ground up type project
lethal walrus
someone port stardew valley to a sim card https://defcon.org/images/defcon-21/dc-21-presentations/Koscher-Butler/DEFCON-21-Koscher-Butler-The-Secret-Life-of-SIM-Cards-Updated.pdf
dusty pollen
I meant how much storage haha
rain apex
Well if u do embark on this endeavor I'm interested to hear how it goes
royal bloom
yeah, that’s a years-long, remake from the ground up type project
The only java game that's even a fraction close to stardew valley is Oregon trail american settlers
dusty pollen
like chu said, if you do it, keep us updated!
dusty pollen
though minecraft had/has(?) a java implementation
rain apex
Has
crystal wren
The main Minecraft is Java!
tranquil grove
afaik they're still doing it, yeah
lethal walrus
still java yep
rain apex
Java minecraft is where ppl do the fun mods
devout vault
The main Minecraft *is* Java!
Tell that to MS marketing
crystal wren
I do not wish to talk to them.
But yeah, a J2ME Stardew demake? That would be a fun project!
dusty pollen
I nominate pillow
dusty pollen
you’re the convertors and weird target platforms person!
lethal walrus
one weird target platform
which is just arm linux
also tbh if i was demaking stardew im doing 3ds not a java applet
lethal walrus
i think casey is on more than me
tranquil grove
i can rewrite it in css+js, just give me like 10 years
dusty pollen
casey did VR but idk what else
lethal walrus
emscriptem
dusty pollen
oh right, just said earlier
lethal walrus
~~i can rewrite it in css+js, just give me like 10 years~~
i've already finished the junimo cart part (badly) https://junimocartonline.stardew.rocks/
tranquil grove
oh no
dusty pollen
oh my god it’s touchscreen compatible
tranquil grove
found the jump button too late
devout vault
casey did VR but idk what else <:SDVpufferthinkblob:958634925639225395>
VR if you want your eyes to hurt because the cameras weren't aligned properly for some reason
crystal wren
This is the most madness I've done recently. And yes, I'm counting this as off-topic because it wasn't a mod!
dusty pollen
devout vault
This is the most madness I've done recently. And yes, I'm counting this as off-t...
I can't tell what this is
lethal walrus
This is the most madness I've done recently. And yes, I'm counting this as off-t...
is that the overlay people use for half life but stardew
crystal wren
I can't tell what this is
Stardew running at 2000+fps.
lethal walrus
oh
devout vault
Oh
dusty pollen
but why 
dusty pollen
mods will get it back to 60 in no time
devout vault
Guess I should post my initial score as well
lethal walrus
isnt the minimum 5 since the the lead up
tranquil grove
lowest I noticed, so probably
royal bloom
I do not wish to talk to them. <:SDVkrobusgiggle:898395746875875379>
Well I'm lucky since i was promoted to pedestrian from my electrician job, i got all the time and 0 money, i gues i can make stardew valley from scratch on j2me but i need a whole lotta help since i'm a beghiner at everything coding
devout vault
To be fair I thought you could do partial sized jumps in old junimo cart
lethal walrus
you can
however do you really think i could do physics that good on my first game thing
devout vault
Anyways, for something that's actually off topic properly:
Anyone have opinions on raylib vs bgfx
crystal wren
I forgot bgfx exists...
lethal walrus
i've heard of raylib
devout vault
Shaders can be discounted since I don't think GC/wii support sthem
Seems like raylib as a whole is more than just graphics
crystal wren
It's also intended to be a hyper-friendly babby's first game framework type situation.
I probably wouldn't pick it for GameCube stuff.
devout vault
Which one
crystal wren
Raylib!
devout vault
Why do you say that
lethal walrus
have you considered writing a game boy game
the gamecube can run it via the game boy attachment
devout vault
Keep in mind I'm not looking to do complicated things, and my interest in this may not last longer than a week anyways
lethal walrus
the 3ds/wii can run it via a VC inject
devout vault
have you considered writing a game boy game
No thanks
crystal wren
It was specifically made for teaching, so it's kinda... minimal barrier for entry. It might still be fine, though? Honestly not sure how well written it is!
I know people love it, though.
crystal wren
Wait, what the shit?
lethal walrus
https://www.gbstudio.dev/ i think
crystal wren
Raylib? N64?
lethal walrus
wow
devout vault
<https://www.gbstudio.dev/> i think
I've seen that. Still no
devout vault
Raylib? N64?
wat
lethal walrus
fair
devout vault
This might work
safe dragon
sounds like raylib alright
devout vault
Raylib? N64?
Where is this list, the one I see doesn't have anything past html 5
crystal wren
Okay, I didn't know it built for the bloody N64.
Right at the bottom of the main page.
safe dragon
it's an important platform to support
cinder karma
What's an n64
lethal walrus
devout vault
If it works for n64/dreamcast surely it will work for gamecube/wii
lethal walrus
the uber /wiki command was disabled :(
devout vault
(And 3ds if I end up going full code crime)
crystal wren
safe dragon
What's an n64
smh kids these days
cinder karma
Oh man i don't recognize weird demon or h with a feather
devout vault
The wiki doesn't show these other platforms, did they drop support?
cinder karma
Two raspberries
devout vault
Oh man i don't recognize weird demon or h with a feather
Weird demon is freebsd apparently
crystal wren
Beastie!
cinder karma
What's a spiral?
lethal walrus
safe dragon
What is a dreamcast
kids these days...
devout vault
https://github.com/Gota7/Nintendo-Raylib, however...
Also I only see switch and a 3ds branch, no gc/wii
safe dragon
can't believe the nintendo64 branch is not kept up to date
crystal wren
And still no GC/Wii here... though it does still have a lot.
devout vault
N64 is on the repo DH linked
Should I play the "how hard could it be to port a library I've never used" game?
cinder karma
What's a garbage collected wii
devout vault
What
cinder karma
Gc/wii
crystal wren
Oh, GC!
devout vault
Oh
crystal wren
GameCube.
devout vault
GC = gamecube
cinder karma
Garbage collector/wii
cinder karma
Should I play the "how hard could it be to port a library I've never used" game?
Yes!
lethal walrus
wasnt the wii an overclocked gamecube cpu
cinder karma
Look, you're talking to the person who vaguely saw a ps-somethijg on their Twitter and went "damn that finfet has a great aspect ratio"
rain apex
So how do u get ur game onto the gamecube
lethal walrus
swiss probably
devout vault
wasnt the wii an overclocked gamecube cpu
If I remember right it's crazier, it basically included a mini gamecube inside
lethal walrus
(as in https://github.com/emukidid/swiss-gc, not the country of switzerland)
devout vault
OR maybe I'm thinking of the wii u and the wii
lethal walrus
i think that was wiiu/wii
cinder karma
The country of Switzerland
devout vault
So how do u get ur game onto the gamecube
I was just gonna use dolphin.
In all likelihood I'd do the wii instead though, since I might be able to do some code crimes without custom hardware
devout vault
swiss probably
There's also the solderless mod for GC that is out now. Flippy drive, I think?
I was flabberghasted when I saw the installation method
lethal walrus
is that the bent ribbon cable in a port
devout vault
Yeah
devout vault
I thought so too but it seems like people are having it work fine
lethal walrus
i mean, i think there's gamecube softmods?
oh theres the option to just buy a premodded memory card
devout vault
You still have to take apart the GC a little, it's not an external port you put it in
You put it in the part where the disc drive hooks up to the main board
It seemed pretty secure once you got it in there
lethal walrus
i thought one of the 3d zeldas had an exploit but that was probably with a memory card
devout vault
I'm also considering crimes to inject more buttons into dolphin
Though that idea came from wanting to add more buttons for items for Wind Waker
devout vault
I was just thinking access to: "left Z button", left/right stick click buttons, and another start button (since modern controllers usually have two)
I hadn't thought of how to do the crimes yet
Multiple controllers is a method I hadn't thought of
However then you can only support two players (which might not be a problem for me admittedly - it certainly wouldn't for doing WW)
devout vault
The reason I didn't bother trying is I'm not sure if the wind waker decompile is at a point where I can modify data structures without it crashing and burning
The other thing I looked into was the pictobox/figurine changes from HD - mainly, 12 pictures at once + the dude being able to do multiple in one day
I found where to do it
But given like half the game is still assembly, I suspect there would be crashing and burning if I added fields or extended arrays on structs
Ideally I'd be able to port a lot more of HD stuff if I got into it though
And I also thought of other things, like being able to upgrade certain items
You know, stuff that becomes much easier with a decomp compared to a disasm 😛
lethal walrus
at least your console modding adventures don't have machine code that disassembles to random strings /lh
lethal walrus
ghidra thinks method bodies of switch sdv classes are strings
devout vault
Oh, that's fun
Is it time for me to finally install clion
I bet trying to use the devkitpro stuff with VS would be... less than ideal
And clion is basically designed around cmake if I remember correctly
lethal walrus
I bet trying to use the devkitpro stuff with VS would be... less than ideal
dkp in vscode isn't horrible
just ignore all the errors
this code compiles and runs correctly but vscode does not like it
tbh most of that is exlaunch doing weird things i think
devout vault
I'd rather use a real IDE
lethal walrus
not a bad idea
devout vault
Please go away, why can't I close this
Oh it's gone now
Also for some reason the toolbox app keeps thinking firefox dev edition is my default browser even though it isn't
Normal FF is
lethal walrus
fun
pliant snow
I thought so too but it seems like people are having it work fine
As a flippydrive owner, I can say it works great
devout vault
I wondered when you'd pop in when we started talking about that 😄
I remember you linking your ultimate gamecube
pliant snow
I will neither confirm nor deny having purchased a PS2 this week to make an ultimate PS2
devout vault
Oh darn, I was wondering about that specifically. Guess now I'll never know
lethal walrus
oh privacy badger breaks the widget very sad
crystal wren
Raylib really is... pretty nice.
lethal walrus
the discord one on stardew.chat
pliant snow
is it because its from another domain or whatever
lethal walrus
yes
pliant snow
ah
lethal walrus
but it actually handles it gracefully enough, unintentionally
just infinite loading on the widget part
pliant snow
wow I can develop on FreeBSD and deploy the dreamcast, my dreams have come true
crystal wren
Atra just learned of Beastie earlier, so that's good timing.
crystal wren
(Beastie is the little devil guy!)
cinder karma
In my head beastie is a cat
lethal walrus
the only reason i pay attention to freebsd is because that means playstation bugs
crystal wren
(BSD > Beastie.)
devout vault
It looks like I can develop with c++20 according to the gcc version. I love using technology twenty years older than the platform itself on said platform
pliant snow
im not sure i ever knew the freebsd logo had a name
devout vault
I barely know freebsd is a thing
I'm not sure I've even heard the name in over a decade
The last I recall is something in old SFML docs
pliant snow
I think I used it once
safe dragon
I know it has something to do with the apple os things
sand frost
Beastie is dh's cat. I demand pictures
I second this!
devout vault
This is very helpful for reading things
I love only being able to read the top 1/3 of my monitor
safe dragon
cats are great for that purpose
devout vault
It's extra fun when he decides to paw at the monitor
With claws out
(Even if nothing is moving on the monitor)
pliant snow
Have you tried using your Google Account to sign into Medium
devout vault
No, but I have tried closing that popup out
Cat being more considerate (though he was completely crouched down up until I picked up my phone to take this picture)
pliant snow
the only custom ublock rule I have is for those
devout vault
I've never done a custom ublock rule
pliant snow
you've lived in squalor
lethal walrus
pihole works decently
pliant snow
Add this line to "My Filters"
accounts.google.com/gsi/*
cyan shadow
does this break login thingies elsewhere
like on pages where it would actually be warranted
pliant snow
I haven't had any other problems
cyan shadow
alrighty, thanks!
devout vault
I've never heard it called this before
That was file naming conventions in CLion - the naming conventions for language options called it something different
pliant snow
from now on, uppercase shall be referred to as screaming camel case
devout vault
Wouldn't screaming camel case be sOMETHINGlIKEtHIS?
dusty pollen
casey may I just say that spacecore is a joy to copy learn from
lethal walrus
that's concerningly on topic
dusty pollen
casey refuses to message in mmg
cyan shadow
I've never heard it called this before
cinder karma
Hopefully my bad code doesn't rub off on you too much
Hey
upbeat sinew
Does anyone know how to mod the game
rain apex
pliant snow
I'm honestly shocked that googling "spacecore" actually returns the nexus page first
devout vault
Wow, I've finally made it
devout vault
I'm a bit annoyed that there doesn't seem to be a way to see stdout with the 3ds emulator. (Besides using one of the screens as a console)
I can't really tell if that's a emulator problem or an sdk problem though
steel kraken
I'm honestly shocked that googling "spacecore" actually returns the nexus page f...
and the stardew one too, rather than the minecraft one
devout vault
I mean basically nobody used my MC mods
steel kraken
though looks like theres a russian project that has taken the spacecore name mantle for minecraft server management?
steel kraken
I mean basically nobody used my MC mods
(I did...)
devout vault
And they never got put on curseforge/modrinth since they didn't really take off yet back then (minecraftforums was the main place)
devout vault
(I did...)
I keep forgetting that there's a couple people here that actually have used them, though I still can't fathom why
steel kraken
part of me does miss the olden days prior to the minecraft ecosystem centralizing on curseforge.
But that is also me being semi selfish as it made my projects obsolete https://polling.notenoughmods.com/ which used to be a much more diverse system
devout vault
...wait, were you involved with that
Because I quite literally PRed them to check the API I made for my (now dead) site
steel kraken
I didn't maintain the nem registry itself, but I was the original dev for the automated updating of it
steel kraken
devout vault
Were you not active in IRC or whatever in ~2013-2015
I remember Pyker
(Or recognize the name anyways)
steel kraken
I was active in irc as SinZ on esper, gamesurge? and freenode in the minecraft channels
steel kraken
I haven't really been involved with it for a long time as I fell into the dota modding rabbit hole, and then stardew
but the core of it and its extensibility patterns was my first real project
during that 2013-2015 period I think it would have been a repo in my name still before I moved it to the NEM org
Definately parts looking back is extremely cringy, but that just means I grew from it
the mechanism to do multiple mod update checks in a single api call was straight up called SinZationalHax and it looks like it took 9 years for pyker to get around to renaming it to document groups
pliant snow
I will never really understand CSS
I did the stupid flex game, they made it look so simple, but anytime I want to align some items, it never fucking works
sonic mirage
align vs justify depends on whether its row or column, so I can never keep which to adjust straight
supple ether
Css tricks has an excellent cheat sheet that really helped me learn it
The diagrams really help
frosty echo
Chromium browsers have a nice popup in dev tools that's kind of similar
supple ether
Oh that's neat
not enough to make me use chrome
Why isn't there a css extension for vscode that can do the css editor widgets
pliant snow
I want these vertically centered in their box. Is that too much to ask for
supple ether
It's made in election
supple ether
It's not, you just also have to change the text alignment on the text element
Because by default the "center" is not the center of the text
pliant snow
Why isn't the center just the center of the 40 px div
supple ether
I'd have to see the source to offer more specific advice but this is a problem I've run into before because text alignment is a fucker
pliant snow
Even if i remove the text and just have the images, it's not happy
supple ether
maybe your buttons are inline elements?
pliant snow
-# alexa, wtf is an inline element
supple ether
Oh no
supple ether
Try setting them to inline-block
pliant snow
I am a simple man with simple HTML tags
<header>
<a href="https://aquova.net">aquova.net</a>
<a class="button" href="https://github.com/aquova"><img src="/images/github.gif" alt="Github's logo"></a>
<a class="button" rel="me" href="https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@aquova"><img src="/images/mastodon.gif" alt="Mastodon's logo"></a>
<a class="button" href="https://bsky.app/profile/aquova.net"><img src="/images/bluesky.gif" alt="Blue Sky's logo"></a>
<a class="button" href="https://www.backloggd.com/u/aquova/"><img src="/images/backloggd.gif" alt="Backloggd's logo"></a>
<a class="button" href="https://www.lexaloffle.com/bbs/?uid=27259"><img src="/images/pico8.gif" alt="Pico-8's logo"></a>
<a class="button" href="/rss.xml"><img src="/images/rss.gif" alt="The RSS logo"></a>
</header>
header {
font-size: 24px;
height: 40px;
display: flex;
flex-direction: row;
justify-content: flex-start;
align-items: center;
}
header a {
color: white;
text-decoration: none;
margin-right: 10px;
}
header .button:hover {
filter: brightness(70%);
}
thats it
lethal walrus
oh no its the images inside the a that are off
frosty echo
header .button {
height: 31px;
vertical-align: middle;
}```(inline elements flow with text and other inline elements, block elements take up the entire line and are layed out as a discrete unit.)
pliant snow
I learned web dev in like 2005 and I refuse to change
supple ether
Inline/block has been around since the beginning
lethal walrus
```css
header .button {
height: 31px;
vertical-align: middle;
}```
that would need a display: inline-block otherwise height does nothing
supple ether
It is certainly a lot better than using tables and float
pliant snow
```css
header .button {
height: 31px;
vertical-align: middle;
}```
Oh it did it!
supple ether
What fixed it?
safe dragon
I want these vertically centered in their box. Is that too much to ask for
oh damn you're doing web dev
pliant snow
Adding that vertical-align thing that may or not work lol
supple ether
That makes sense. It's aligning the items inside the anchor
Which flex wouldn't affect
pliant snow
Looks like I still need display: flex; set
safe dragon
align-content would be the one to affect what's inside I think
no one ever uses align-content
pliant snow
I guess align-content aligns the whole group, but for the buttons to be aligned with the text, I need vertical-align
safe dragon
newer than vertical-align for sure...
frosty echo
that would need a display: inline-block otherwise height does nothing
I actually had one originally but seemed like it didn't need it
safe dragon
flex implicitly turns its children into block elements
frosty echo
Having buttons inside a span is kind of odd too hehe
safe dragon
definitely
pliant snow
no its cool
safe dragon
my motto is that as long as chrome lighthouse is happy I'm happy
supple ether
I would've used a p personally (or maybe a nav), but there's nothing wrong with using a span
frosty echo
If you had had the buttons and the text as things inside something else, the flex may have been easier
pliant snow
hmm
supple ether
Lighthouse is useful but I don't trust its seo thing since it tends to be very googly
pliant snow
actually i dont even think I need the span..
safe dragon
properly using semantic tags is hard cause there nothing to tell you when you're wrong
supple ether
Also it complained at me when I had a robots.txt forbidding bots on the page, which was intentional since it's a semi private page I didn't want to be indexed
safe dragon
oh yes I disable the SEO category
the sites I work on at work are behind vpns they're completely unreachable otherwise
SEO isn't a concern
if it's ever in search engine results we fucked something up
supple ether
ChatGPT will find a way ✨
safe dragon
hell there'll be a version of it that'll be running in an airgapped environment at some point
if that's on Google...
pliant snow
just think, AI has been learning from my CSS
safe dragon
it's ok the average css online is of roughly that quality already
supple ether
Tbh I think there's a ton of bad css out there because a lot of people just learn the syntax and some of the properties and then go "Yeah I know css" and then struggle to apply it because they don't understand the functional principles behind the rules they're using
safe dragon
I know how to use css but I'd be lying if I said I never just add css properties to see if they do anything
supple ether
I mean I do that too
safe dragon
css is a funky thing and dealing with the whole specificity system is annoying at times
supple ether
One thing I see trip people up ALL the time is positioning and z-index.
Though even specificity is something I see people struggle with sometimes
safe dragon
should've picked tailwind so there wouldn't be any specificity issues cause every single element just has 10 style properties slapped on it directly
supple ether
I hate tailwind and I don't understand why it's so popular
pliant snow
CSS frameworks have come and gone, but my jank website remains
safe dragon
resorting to using z index feels like I'm committing a sin
it's ok I'm also just using a regular ol css stylesheet
supple ether
Z-index is useful for layering. I don't use it that often but when I do it's usually for nonlinear layouts or decorative elements
safe dragon
my use of z-index dropped significantly with the stabilization of the popover api