programmers-off-topic

[cinder karma]

Head is latest or latest pushed or smth like that

[dreamy vigil]

I suggest using a visual client like SourceTree. Then you don't really need to know about stuff like the HEAD (usually), you just right-click the commit you want and choose the action (e.g. reset to this commit).

[rain apex]

How will i do crimes like git reset --hard <commithash>; git push --force

[cinder karma]

Criminal

[dreamy vigil]

SourceTree has GUI versions of that, or you can click the handy 'terminal' button to pop open a command line.

[red crest]

does SourceTree have that repo merge thing atra mentioned or am i gonna need to use the command line for that

[supple ether]

I love using git cli and doing horrible things to the commit history

[dreamy vigil]

The repo merge just involves (a) add a new remote, (b) fetch, (c) switch to the monorepo's branch and merge from the new remote's branch. You can do that either through the GUI or command-line, whichever you prefer.

[rain apex]

Recently i got a gitlab acc (really just linking to github) and noticed that they have project folders over there

This might be another solution to ur mono repo woes tbh

If u just put all ur stuff into a project but they remain individual repos

[red crest]

(id ideally want it all on github for application purposes that ask for github links)

thank you for the help and pointing in the right directions tho y'all i will maybe attempt after dinner

[rain apex]

I don't think any job app ever explicitly asked for github link (not even microsoft)

[red crest]

ive run into a bunch ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rain apex]

I usually just put it in the personal website spot but i mean button u have a site

[red crest]

including one that specifically did not let me put anything that was not github.com

[rain apex]

Wacky

[devout vault]

<flashbacks to one of my first interviews where some of the people thought my fork of Pathos's repo was completely mine and started asking me questions about his data parser or something>

[rain apex]

I am surprised ppl even read the repo

[red crest]

i do have a site but its not the one you know. this may surprise you but i dont want to send potential employers/interviewers to "button dot gay"

[rain apex]

Right yes

Perhaps i am the weird person for not really separating professional and hobby beyond the thinnest veneer

[red crest]

oh theres an idea ill just fork Pathos to make mine look better- (/j)

i dont mind (most of) my hobby projects being mixed in with my professional
but i do mind my hobby identity being mixed in

[devout vault]

Employers who don't appreciate button dot gay are not worth working for (/s... kinda, at least ignoring "gotta work to eat")

[red crest]

in an ideal world i would agree with you

or ig in an ideal world there wouldnt be any that didnt appreciate it]

but yes unfortunately i need money and so i need to lower my standards a lil

[devout vault]

Can't live on a diet of thoughts and prayers

[red crest]

oh my slitherlegs is gone

well that was shortlived

[devout vault]

How tragic

[devout vault]

Gotta love a cat grooming itself on your computer and turning it off

[cinder karma]

Mozart wants you to go outside and touch grass

Although admittedly

I was just outsite

And have a new collection of bug bites

[dusty pollen]

@cinder karma this is the one time my cs degree comes in useful

[cinder karma]

Iitc the game tracks if that particular path has seen that node before

[dusty pollen]

then why does it mishandle cycles?

that should theoretically be enough

[cinder karma]

Not any visited

If that particular path has visited

[dusty pollen]

that should still be fine though for cycle detection

a cycle will make that particular path visit that node twice

[cinder karma]

It's fine for cycle detection yes

[dusty pollen]

at which point you backtrack

[cinder karma]

But the paths are (unnecessarily) long

And also paths that should be pruned arent

So it does a bit of repetitive work

[dusty pollen]

yeah (and that is 100% silly) but that’s unrelated to cycles I’m trying to think why the game has an issue with cycles

which it apparently does

[cinder karma]

It doesnt

Cycles can work they are just suboptomal

[dusty pollen]

doesn’t it? is that a stardew urban legend

why are they suboptimal though

an algorithm that checks cycles in this way shouldn’t end up with suboptimal results specifically because of the cycles

[steel kraken]

the stock macro pathfinding doesn't find the efficient route, it finds the first route

[dusty pollen]

that’s classic dfs though, isn’t it?

it would do that regardless of cycles

[cinder karma]

I'm confused

I think you're confusing two-things

Efficiency of route

Vs efficiency of algorithm

[dusty pollen]

I’m not (it was bad phrasing), cycles shouldn’t be causing low efficiency for either one

[cinder karma]

A mark dirty dfs is faster than a mark dirty bfs

It's a pruning issue iirc?

It'll take both sides of a cycle

[dusty pollen]

oh so like, the teensiest bit less efficient

especially since most cycles are fairly short

fair enough

[cinder karma]

Someone made a giant greenhouse map

Where every map connected to every other map

Which turned oit to be a pathological case

[dusty pollen]

have they considered not doing that

[cinder karma]

We told them to require spacecore and moved on

[terse galleon]

wait that's cool af though even if insane

[cinder karma]

It sounds like there is someone trapped somewhere in the walls

Screaming

[fleet wren]

that's annoying, being entombed for an eternity between the walls as punishment for sins unknown is no cause for noise

[devout vault]

Yeah, but like, what if there are bugs in between the walls

[dusty pollen]

what if we're actually the ones inside the walls and the space "inside" the walls is actually the real rooms

[devout vault]

atra: annoyed
Selph: existential horror
me: silly comment
iro: existential crisis

[crystal wren]

What would my type of comment be?

[devout vault]

Well, I was just going based off the comments made so far

So, apparently:
DH: feeling left out

[lethal walrus]

oh python crimes that's fun https://pypi.org/project/pythonnet/

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by sugarsbt as #6496 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1394358196138938399)

[cinder karma]

I too read that novel

Update: also there is a power drill

[modest jewel]

Double JIT.

JIT inception

[devout vault]

...I think it's finally time to install windhawk

https://windhawk.net/mods/taskbar-grouping

I could finally not have all my firefox windows stuck together in whatever order it decides

[devout vault]

(Everyone needs an update on the timer saga, right? I'm pretty sure I forgot to post the previous one)

[pliant snow]

I'd love to install windhawk on my work PC, but I feel like that would be frowned upon

[safe dragon]

the security guy at my work would end my life if I did anything like that

if I'm even able to install it to begin with

[devout vault]

Do it as a challenge and tell them "hey I found some loopholes you need to patch - no payment/reward needed just let me keep what I used it for"

[dusty pollen]

this kind of thing nearly got me expelled when I was 18

[cinder karma]

Woe is me. I forgot to turn on my fitness watch before my workout today

Now how do I show off to my fitness friends 😦

[devout vault]

MS paint!

"This is what my numbers would've been had I remembered to turn my watch on"

[cinder karma]

💞

I only bench four plates when my watch is off see

(I don't even bench a single plate lol)

[safe dragon]

I don't even really know what benching is

so that's my level

[lethal walrus]

update on my linux wifi saga: it just hates my home network being hidden, turned on the non-hidden network and it likes that

[worn remnant]

isn't every linux wifi saga just "yelling at networkmanager" or, one level deeper in the sauce, "yelling at wpa_supplicant"

[lethal walrus]

this should be about 7 times more

[lethal walrus]

yes, except here im not entirely sure what im using and the yelling didnt work

[safe dragon]

I improved my network speeds by like 8 fold by just uninstalling networkmanager and using iwctl directly

[worn remnant]

ah, of course. one level higher in the sauce: "yelling at your distro for hiding things from you"

[safe dragon]

I don't think archinstall even installed networkmanager

[lethal walrus]

i definitely disabled something trying to fix this before but i dont know what it is

[safe dragon]

actually I think it installs systemd-networkd

[lethal walrus]

given that a supplicant fails connecting to the hidden network, and i dont seem to have networkmanager when i go looking i guess it's wpa_supplicant

now back to windows because i only booted into linux after a bsod to try out network things and i dont actually have my new drive plugged in yet (i promise i will not leave it sitting for a year again)

[pliant snow]

What

[safe dragon]

idk why either

but it worked

my home network went from like 110 mbps to 880 mbps wifi

tbh I think what was actually going on that I had both systemd-networkd and networkmanager and they got in the way of each other or something

in the end after getting used to it using iwctl directly isn't really any different from using some network gui

[pliant snow]

I have networkd installed, but disabled, ive always just used networkmanager

[pliant snow]

has anyone tried helix

i feel like i would be into it if i wasnt used to neovim already

[safe dragon]

I have tried it yeah

it's very jarring when vim is deeply ingrained in your muscle memory

[pliant snow]

isn't it the same, but the order of modifier keys is backwards

[safe dragon]

no they changed enough keybinds where it will mess you up

technically they made them more consistent but it's still annoying when you got used to the vim ones

like dd doesn't delete a line

x selects a line and then d deletes it

[dusty pollen]

ew

it took me long enough to learn vim tyvm

by which I mean not very long but it was ages ago

[safe dragon]

once helix has a plugin system I'll probably give a proper shot but it just wasn't worth the effort at the time

[cinder karma]

I love vim

[pliant snow]

what does d by itself do

[cinder karma]

I get to look smart when in fact I'm very dumb

[safe dragon]

delete the character your cursor is on I think

unless you have a selection

then it deletes the selection

[pliant snow]

ah yes, the opposite of vim

[safe dragon]

one that fucks me up in helix a lot is that the surround keybinds are different

you can't do like diw to delete a word. You do like miw to select the word and then d to delete it

it's all there but just slightly different enough where it constantly makes me mess up

maintaining a neovim config annoyed me too tho so vscode with extensions has been my ilfe

oh helix had a new release

is this why you're mentioning it

I just happened to go to a different server where someone linked the release blog

[pliant snow]

ye

[devout vault]

Wait what does i do? I’ve always done just dw

[safe dragon]

it deletes the word you're inside of regardless of where in the word your cursor is

[pliant snow]

diw will delete the whole word, while dw will just delete from the cursor to the end

so diw would be the same as bdw really

[safe dragon]

the same difference applies to other scenarios like di( to delete everything in the parentheses

in helix that'd be mi( and then d

[safe dragon]

that's only the true it you weren't already on the first character of the word

[pliant snow]

live life on the edge

[crystal wren]

Also hey, I thought of a way to test if the sed edits are done on the client or not... but it requires me to go rogue and temporarily add something to the AutoMod.

[safe dragon]

as long as I don't get my discord account reported and disabled from it like last time I'm all for it

[pliant snow]

live life on the edge

[safe dragon]

not again

[hardy jewel]

[crystal wren]

...okay, let's try it.

[cinder karma]

eggs you on

[crystal wren]

Is that you volunteering to test it?

[hardy jewel]

alan is fully responsible for anything that happens

[crystal wren]

Zoe, in case you don't know what we're testing...

Send a message saying "I like the colour red!"

Then in the next message type s/red/blue.

[hardy jewel]

I'm not falling for ur trap......

[crystal wren]

We're immune to the AutoMod, so it's okay!

[cinder karma]

Hey I'm retired from modding anyways

If you ban me I'm freeeeee

[crystal wren]

(The rule's in place now!)

[cinder karma]

This is a amusing test

[crystal wren]

Client side confirmed, holy crap!

[cinder karma]

Ooh!

[crystal wren]

Well, maybe not fully confirmed...

It could still go to the server and just get intercepted before it gets recognised as a message to be sent I guess.

[safe dragon]

yeah

interpreted by the server as an edit request and then handled that way

the real way to find out would be to use wireshark to track the network traffic

and see what's sent

[cinder karma]

This is a local test

there was network activity

there's actually always network activity.

this is wild.

[crystal wren]

Question is, though... is that of the command going to the server, or of the edit calculated on the client going to the server?

[pliant snow]

I would assume that command is just a client-side shortcut to make a message rename request

[cinder karma]

tying test

[frosty echo]

Yes, it sends a PATCH request, with the message ID, and the new content in the body

[safe dragon]

🙏

I'm surprised they implemented it for mobile as well then

it's rare for mobile to get anything fun

[cinder karma]

Discord is getting quests

[lethal walrus]

Had them for ages it's just orbs now

[tranquil grove]

could've sworn it was the second or third time they added that, but I just reflex-close the popups

[cinder karma]

Maybe

I dobt usually open discord on my laptop

[tranquil grove]

yeah, ig they don't show up as much on mobile, especially with auto-updates off

[lethal walrus]

it's just that you get orbs for them now isntead of cosmetics directly i think

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by irocendar as #6498 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1394802174877241466)

[steel kraken]

Automod can't do anything too spicy, it can only block the message, optionally report the infraction to a specified channel and optionally put the user on timeout for a specified duration in seconds

On one of my servers I did try to have it kick people if they sent hello as their entire message but automod can't kick 😦

[hardy jewel]

We got Crumb to test an automod block one time and the actual message that was sent put his entire account into restricted mode

so probably not the automod block itself but it was the result of it

[merry fern]

question. This is going to be kinda strange. But the reason I'm not posting it in modded tech support is uh.. The game is currently wigging out so I don't have a log to give.

...Is there a way to skip skill selection? Because skill prestige is bugging out with the Socializing skill mod and is.. not letting me select either because thanks to All professions, I have both skills for Socializing? So.

I'm also probably going to put the log into modded tech support after I save

And probably drop it off by the mod author's page

[red crest]

this is definitely not the channel even among the channels that are not modded support

[merry fern]

(and probably remove it after because hm)

I wasn't sure where else to put it, sorry

Do you have a suggestion to where I can put this instead?

[red crest]

#modded-stardew if you're not asking for tech support

[merry fern]

ehh,, I kinda..? am? but I'll try there too.

cause I assumed it would be a console command

[red crest]

i mean, this channel is for specifically non-stardew related nerd chatter, so...

[merry fern]

OH

okay mb

hm. I don't know where to put this then.. I guess I'll try modded tech support and hope they don't delete it cause I don't have the log yet 💀

Sorry to get this chat so off topic, thanks for the suggestion

[worn remnant]

it is allowed to open a thread without a log if your issue is one that prevents you from having a log (e.g. the SMAPI install not working)

[merry fern]

Good to know! I'll do that then! Thanks!

[dusty pollen]

atra that’s also adhd just hyperfocus

@cinder karma

[cinder karma]

Lol

[rain apex]

@cinder karma

They r guarding this path

[cinder karma]

D'awwwww

Poor floofs with the muzzles

D'awwww

Little ears

[dusty pollen]

babies!

[rain apex]

My sister who is a dumbass provoked them

[cinder karma]

Poor doggos

[fleet wren]

one tells lies, the other's always wrong

wait is that how it goes

[rain apex]

This one is loafing by the big buddha

[cinder karma]

I want to hold their little paws

That's a perfect loaf

[cinder karma]

@devout vault look cats

[rain apex]

There's a second one zooming out of frame

[devout vault]

CATS

[rain apex]

Long

[fleet wren]

rust mentioned

[devout vault]

Love how I’m the first person to be pinged every time there’s cat photos here

[devout vault]

hissssssssssss

[cinder karma]

I'm wearing new glasses and the focus is just a little bit different and I feel so tall!!!

Otoh my hair decided to do the Karen cut shape today lol

[rain apex]

Wait when i got new prescription glasses I feel short

Since i can see the ground better

[fleet wren]

I got lasik

[cinder karma]

Do i look like I can afford lasik

[fleet wren]

I'm just adding the evil third option

[cinder karma]

Casey IS a cat. Confirmed

[devout vault]

A reimagining of the classic meme
(I am unreasonably happy with this one)

(For the uninitiated, ie. probably atra, original meme)

[sonic mirage]

An unexpected side effect of finally switching to my new PC build is that the room is eerily quiet now. I knew the old system was pretty noisy even though it had Noctuas in it (they were running at a constant RPM rather than spinning down ever), but I wasn't ready for the lack of white noise.

[cinder karma]

Could get a white noise machine

[sonic mirage]

I'd sooner just raise the fan speed minimum, but I've just been playing music while I work more now

It's strange in the room even when I'm not on the computer. I've used that PC and its case/fan setup since ~2008 so the noise has always been present

Props to that Gigabyte board in there for running for ~17 years basically nonstop while overclocked

i7-920 overclocked from 2.6GHz to 4.0

It's kind of funny that when you google that proc there are other people who also ran that proc for much longer than typical

[dusty pollen]

I always wonder how the different processors from different generations compare. Like how many generations have to pass for a new i5 to have the same performance as an old i7

(performance on core 1 per thread, ig)

[fleet wren]

the naming's based on vibes™ anyway

there is a wiki page listing all intel processors

[dusty pollen]

exactly, so I always want to know just how much

I say this as someone whose strongest computer is i5 I think 6050U?

[safe dragon]

the answer is, as always, "it depends"

[dusty pollen]

yes I want a big graph

or chart

[sonic mirage]

Generational IPC improvements of ~10% seem pretty typical to me on average - for enthusiast-tier components at least - so a two or three generations should easily make a new mid-range match an older top-end-ish part. That said, at least last I looked, i5 vs i7 meant very little anymore since i5s can range from low to high end in-and-of themselves

[safe dragon]

it also depends heavily on whether the thing you're running is something that can take advantage of the new cpu

there's scenarios where the old cpus even beat new ones

[sonic mirage]

Yeah, for gaming a lot of the time you're way better off with a i5 K SKU with fewer cores that runs faster than a "better" i7

[dusty pollen]

that’s why I said core 1 per thread haha

[safe dragon]

but there's a lot more to it than that

the instruction sets it supports for example

[dusty pollen]

oh I’m sure there is, I’m just thinking out loud

[sonic mirage]

Not that you'd buy Intel for gaming anymore unless you had to for budget reasons

[dusty pollen]

idk how much got added to x86 recently because low level dev is scary

[safe dragon]

way too much probably

came across some video recently about an x86 instruction which, according to the original developer of that instruction, was introduced purely to help the performance of a single specific codec

[sonic mirage]

I think AVX512 is the only instruction I've been hearing about people caring about

[safe dragon]

I'd say more globally the vectorization instructions

[sonic mirage]

AMD's Zen4 has it, so best bang-for-buck gaming CPU - the 7600X - supports that

[safe dragon]

assuming whatever you're playing actually uses it

[sonic mirage]

I'm not actually sure if it's used in gaming or not, it's just the only set that I've heard only being on newish CPUs

[safe dragon]

idk either I just write code and pray the magical compiler wizard takes that code and somehow adds all the simd optimizations for me

it doesn't work most of the time but it's nice to hope

[sonic mirage]

I think that's part of why I ended up with a 7900 in my NAS; so I'd have all the current instruction sets along with a billion threads

Someday I'll get around to actually running services on it

[safe dragon]

the only time I've ever really paid attention to simd was for advent of code

shout-out to TensorPrimitives in C#

actually, shout-out to spans

spans continue to be arcane magic to me

you slap an .AsSpan() somewhere and suddenly it's significantly faster

you make a method parameter accept ReadOnlySpan<T> instead of an array and suddenly it's faster even though the conversion happened implicitly and you did nothing else

🌈

[cinder karma]

Yes because the c# array spec is fucky

All my homies hate array covariance

[safe dragon]

oh ok

all my homies love spans

lemme stackalloc myself a 100k element long span

[cinder karma]

I did the mathie math and decided it was stupid for me to pay for (a) any computer or (b) home internet at all

[fleet wren]

It is 2027. Engineers are debating the inclusion of a new instruction VFUNYFLIP, which will flip a register's 3rd and 6th bit only if the 2nd bit is 1 and the 4th bit XORed with the 7th bit is true. Proponents argue this will drastically increase the speed of video encoding on NVIDIA GPUs with exactly 13.2GiB of VRAM

[safe dragon]

that sounds about right

even though gpus don't use the x86 instruction set

nvidia doesn't even have the legal rights to use x86

[worn remnant]

the everyday CISC experience, tbh

[pliant snow]

Every emulation thing I've played with is basically just piles of this very bullshit

[lethal walrus]

is it 2 or 3 commits github https://pillow-just.uploaded-files.zip/RVD9svP3zx

[safe dragon]

yes

it is one of those

[cursive sigil]

2.5

[pliant snow]

Only have one mesh extender for my house, so I've had to put my desktop on wi-fi....

[marble jewel]

Finally what we C# coders have always wanted https://youtu.be/6N2oFh6YTTc?si=C6XM-w0GWcUeNhiu

[cinder karma]

🐍

[sonic mirage]

Could that thumbnail get much more clickbait-y?

[marble jewel]

I dunno, I feel like he could have his hands on the side of his face with the pickachu face expression. Or maybe that one is played out.

[lethal walrus]

also big red arrows

[marble jewel]

The new - don't schedule a meeting if it can be an email; is don't post a YouTube video if it can be a TikTok.

[crystal wren]

And a python coming out of a piano, with him running scared from it. Also plus red circles and arrows.

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6501 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1395115304698384434)

[safe dragon]

nick is a master of clickbait

[marble jewel]

Master Clickbaiter

[safe dragon]

tbh I can't imagine my livelihood being dependent on talking about .NET stuff constantly

would suck

it's like being a minecraft youtuber except worse

[marble jewel]

I lack the personality for vlog type content

[sonic mirage]

At least Minecraft has the option of being creative

[safe dragon]

but I suppose it's more lucrative to sell courses on C# than minecraft building

[sonic mirage]

C# courses vs Minecraft creator merch

[safe dragon]

tough

have any of you ever done a nick chapsas course

[marble jewel]

No to the courses, I just follow his free content to know what's going on in C# world

[safe dragon]

sometimes I click one of his videos

[sonic mirage]

or a Reddit post

[crystal wren]

I watch his videos when someone posts them here.

Sometimes.

[marble jewel]

(It's me posting him most of the time, isn't it)

[sonic mirage]

That reminds me, are any of the Reddit-replacements any good?

[safe dragon]

I did actually try one of his courses in one of the gazillion deal things he's had where it was I think free up to like half of the course but I didn't really get anything out of it.
It was the blazor course and the guy from the blazor course seemed to be avoiding talking about the pain points and footguns as much as microsoft themselves

[marble jewel]

He pays me for every one of his videos I post to here. That's why I shill so hard.

[safe dragon]

of course

you get a discount on all his courses over on dometrain with a the referral code LeFauxMatt

[sonic mirage]

Developers I trust tried Blazor and said it's hot garbage; avoid at all costs, so I have

[safe dragon]

is it me

I've ranted about blazor quite a few times here

I'm an avid hater

[marble jewel]

You'd have to be blazed to think Blazor was a good product /badjoke

[safe dragon]

the only legitimate reason I can think of to ever use blazor is if you have a team of only C# devs who would rather quit their jobs than have to learn an actually competent web framework

[sonic mirage]

No my team lead at work and a colleague at one of our largest clients. They tried to build a new site for our client to use and it was a convoluted mess. They threw out the project entirely

[safe dragon]

they made the right choice

I've built and released several blazor websites, both the webassembly version and server versions and it's all really bad and as the application grows things just fall apart even more

[sonic mirage]

They listed off five atrocious things about it that were enough to where I don't even try to remember details, just Blazor = bad

[safe dragon]

😌

they had restraint

I've looked at comment sections on blazor videos to validate my opinions which hasn't worked but I've definitely noticed that seemingly the only people who talk about blazor positively are the folks who put an extremely large amount of value on the fact that it doesn't require them to learn typescript/javascript (even though it kinda still does cause of limitations blazor only has)

[sonic mirage]

TypeScript is MS's thing, so it makes even less sense

[safe dragon]

typescript lets me not lose my mind using js web frameworks

thanks typescript

the Date type is still an enigma I cannot understand regardless but it's better

I genuinely don't understand javascript's date type

the api is extremely limited and is really inconsistent and makes no sense

[sonic mirage]

I believe FF just shipped Temporal, which I was following for awhile until there was nothing to follow during the browser implementation period (now)

[safe dragon]

temporal is real?

oh only in firefox

[sonic mirage]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Temporal

[safe dragon]

However, the Date API is based on the poorly designed java.util.Date class from Java, which was replaced in the early 2010s; but, because of JavaScript's goal of backward compatibility, Date sticks around in the language.

shame this is too late for me to use it right now

I'll have to rewrite it in 17 years when all the browsers have implemented it

[sonic mirage]

Many of our sites use Moment, but for new things I usually just grab Luxon

[safe dragon]

moment has been in maintenace mode for years hasn't it

haven't heard of luxon

[sonic mirage]

Yeah it still works just the same, though. We maintain a lot of sites for our clients for many years, mostly internal sites. Luxon is by the same team as Moment and is still maintained.

[safe dragon]

I don't think I'll have to touch dates very much so I'm trying to just get it done with Date

[lethal walrus]

for me the worst part of date is doing 1000 * 60 * 60 * 24 for a day

[safe dragon]

that's your worst part?

[lethal walrus]

yeah dates not too painful

[safe dragon]

date formatting is a mess as far as I've ever tried it

date math suck ass

[lethal walrus]

i just submodule https://github.com/goldenproxy/strftime when i need to do formatting

[dusty pollen]

isn't that partially because international date and time stuff just inherently sucks ass though

[safe dragon]

one thing that also really annoys me that isn't javascript's fault is that htmls date input type gives zero customization on the format it uses when displaying dates which essentially means it just cannot be used at work for me without fucky javascript hacks cause it needs to show the dates in dutch format for consistency but instead html forces it to be in the order configured by the user in their own browser and/or operating system. At work a lot of things are by default configured to be on american english which means that the website would not only just show incorrect formatting for dutch it would actually just fuck shit up because the US decided to put the day and month in the wrong order

practically every other way it could format them from whatever country would've been less prone to cause problems

[dusty pollen]

I don't envy anyone who has to implement a way to deal with leap seconds, which have no rules and are just announced by organisations (they're being phased out though)

[dusty pollen]

oh that sucks

[safe dragon]

thankfully I don't deal with dates that precise

[dusty pollen]

apparently we might be moving to leap minutes, which have the benefit of only needing to happen every 50-100 years

[safe dragon]

exciting

we'd have to face 2038 first

[dusty pollen]

what's happening in 2038? unix time overflow stuff?

[safe dragon]

yeah in 2038 a unix timestamp would no longer fit in 32 bits

[fleet wren]

for a moment I thought they're phasing them out by announcing that seconds are slower now

or faster

[safe dragon]

which is probably not going to break anything we personally use but is probably going to break a bunch of ancient ass legacy stuff we apparently rely on somewhere

[dusty pollen]

that's part of the plan for leap minutes I think

[fleet wren]

idk someone asked if SMAPI Android is available for 32 bit the other day

[safe dragon]

isn't the main way people deal with leap seconds rn is to just make time go slightly slower

[dusty pollen]

I think it's currently to just make a 60th second

so you can see 23:23:60 in most clocks

[safe dragon]

is smapi android even available at all anymore

[dusty pollen]

(while theoretically negative leap seconds are possible, they have never happened)

[dusty pollen]

it's now re-available, someone made a brand new version for 1.6

[safe dragon]

dam

hope they support 32 bit

[lethal walrus]

they don't

🌟 Key Features

• Support device 64bit only

[safe dragon]

this is so sad

how will my Nokia 2 use this

or my LG Nexus 5X

from uh

2013

[lethal walrus]

does sdv even run

[steel kraken]

Iirc google would do a leap smear and just nudge the clocks slightly throughout a 24h period

[safe dragon]

that's what I've heard in the past yeah

[steel kraken]

Probably from the tom scott video https://youtu.be/Uqjg8Kk1HXo?si=aU_TnCmnwUxd9fu5

[safe dragon]

probably

[safe dragon]

it seems to cause it supposedly supports any phone using android 5 or above?

and there's actually 32 bit phones still being produced apparently

[dusty pollen]

normal smapi doesn't support 32 bit either

[steel kraken]

Not since the switch away from xna back in 1.5.5 or whenever it was

[dusty pollen]

and 32bit on pc requires the compat branch of stardew because the vanilla game doesn't even support it any more

[steel kraken]

There's still code in smapi that will take a 32bit mod and make it 64bit for mods released prior to that change

[sonic mirage]

The problem with leap seconds a lot of the time is the litany of ways different companies and organizations deal with the second. The "smearing" approach was always the one that stood out to me

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6502 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1395119180369362987)

[modest jewel]

forget x86, where is PowerPC?

W Stardew Valley on Xbox 360

[lethal walrus]

not natively and i cant find a x86 emulator for powerpc

[cinder karma]

I just want factories

(No context will be given.)

[rain apex]

@dreamy vigil
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/844165756572139520/1395028400527380580/PXL_20250716_111811114.jpg

139.10 usd sticc

[dreamy vigil]

Huh?

[cinder karma]

Chue found the 10k g stick from central station irl

[dreamy vigil]

Nice. 😄

(The latest Central Station update even has a little pedestal for the wood.)

[safe dragon]

there's a new web project being started at work that apparently chose to build it in php?

[steel kraken]

php is making a comeback

it did seem to correlate to the laravel creator getting a lambo and people realizing php makes bank

[safe dragon]

they did pick laravel

with VueJS?

stitched together with InertiaJS

I know nothing about any of these technologies

also TailwindCSS like a true modern project

[steel kraken]

I still don't get tailwind

[safe dragon]

I get it but I don't use it

[steel kraken]

specifically I don't get the appeal

[safe dragon]

it's nice if you're not very comfortable with css

honestly partially just nice if you don't know about css reset scripts

since it acts as one

[iron snow]

Hi guys. I’m thinking of making a game and I have two game ideas for it can you guys let me know if this is the kind of game you guys be interested in playing (reach with 👍 or 👎 just so I can have an idea)? Also I would really appreciate any suggestions on what kind of aspects or mechanics you’d like to see in these games. Thank you so much guys 🤗

Game idea 1:

An open world sandbox survival crafting game where every aspect of the game dynamically changes based on the players actions and skill. If you are struggling to survive the game makes it easy for but if you are excelling at the game the game tries to make it harder for you.

Game idea 2:

A twist on an open world survival crafting game where ai driven player is trying to survive in the world while your goal is to kill the ai and stop its progression by sending threats and disasters etc.

Feel free to ask me if you guys have any questions. Rn I’m just at the idea phase and I’m looking forward to hearing your feedback.

[dusty pollen]

do you have any game development experience?

[iron snow]

Very little, I do have programming experience

[dusty pollen]

like, professional programming experience?

[iron snow]

I’m getting my bachelors in it and I’ve done internships at companies for it

[dusty pollen]

the reason I ask is that the ideas you chose are often ambitious even for entire teams with studio backing and funding. Open world sandbox games have a lot of moving parts

[iron snow]

This idea is actually for my final year project and I’m doing this with a team. Of course I’ll be adjusting the scale and complexity of it based on my time and skills

[dusty pollen]

oh, fair enough! if you're doing it for an exam, I think the AI one will show off more of your skills

open world will always be tricky but you can limit it to be more within scope

[iron snow]

Thnx

[crystal wren]

The second option is far more interesting to me.

Feels like Black & White, except you're just actively trying to screw with the "players"... which a lot of people did anyway.

[dusty pollen]

honestly for exams my strategy is to forget about making something you like/that's good and focus about making something that demonstrates the skills that you're being assessed on

[iron snow]

Nothing here is set in stone rn I’m just trying to get a feel for what people like and if you prefer games that aren’t open world feel free to share your thoughts. I wanna make something that would actually wanna play yk

[dusty pollen]

it feels like Plague Inc! and I love plague inc

[iron snow]

It is like that but I envision it being a lot more evil than it, I personally didn’t like black and white but the concept was cool

[crystal wren]

I do also think that one will be significantly more technically interesting, so for a project... I think it wins.

[dusty pollen]

(in plague inc you play as a disease and try to fight the humans' attempts to cure you)

[crystal wren]

Plague Inc is so good.

[iron snow]

That’s a great strategy but we do have points for making stuff that people actually want yk

[iron snow]

I’ve never played it, I’ll look into it

[crystal wren]

I think people would also want to play it though, for what it's worth. It's... different to the kind of thing that's mostly being made nowadays.

[iron snow]

Thank you so much 😊

[iron snow]

Cool 😎

[dusty pollen]

also those points are generally pretty easy to get for any project, you just need to get people to answer a survey etc

[iron snow]

Yeah, I wanted to completely twist the normal survival games aspects yk

[iron snow]

True 😂

Do you guys have any suggestions of features or mechanics you’d like to see in this game?

[rain apex]

Make it moddable /j

The second one is neat idea but it might be easier to conceptualize as a 4X game

[crystal wren]

Yeah, the more rigid structure you have, the easier that AI is going to be to make work well, too.

[iron snow]

Will keep that in mind ✨

[supple ether]

I have stumbled into a new circle of hell, which is runtime dependencies for source generators

microsoft why are you like this

why is it that I need 15 lines of xml to add one and it doesn't even handle recursive dependencies

[worn remnant]

if there's one thing microsoft loves, it's xml

[supple ether]

I think I am going to have to manually reference all dependencies of my dependencies, and the dependencies of those dependencies

evil

are xml macros a thing? can I use xslt on my csproj? /jk

[steel kraken]

Microsoft are big on both xml and json.
Fun fact the precursor to JWT which is cryptographically verified json, was first XML digital signatures which is cryptographically verified xml

and both are microsoft authored specs

during the early days of .NET core the csproj equivalent was a json file before they fell back and went with the same csproj that msbuild already used

and part of that got resolved by the modern csproj format that got rid of a bunch of crap which makes it look a lot like what the json variant was anyway and Visual Studio supporting hot editing the csproj file and not needing to "unload" it first

[supple ether]

HELL YEAH IT WORKS

more stuff is planned but the basic stuff works

• lazy-loads the asset
• discards the cached asset when invalidated
• (optional) loads the asset from a local file when it's requested
• if INotifyPropertyChanged is applied, it also fires PropertyChanged when an asset property gets invalidated

it's still very messy and janky but now that I have the horrible bits sorted out, everything else should be not too hard

[red crest]

shady

[rain apex]

KFC

[steel kraken]

Australian bird

[cursive sigil]

birb

[dusty pollen]

@devout vault is there any chance you can add (GMCM) to the end of gmcm’s name on nexus so it shows up on nexus search for gmcm?

-# gmcm gmcm gmcm

[cursive sigil]

yes please +1 on that request

[cinder karma]

What

Ooh I spot it!

I did not get KFC in china

[cinder karma]

Teensy

[devout vault]

Wow, that's not very programming off topic

(Done)

[safe dragon]

Just wait till he find out about error 504

will be interesting to watch a video from him on a topic I definitely know more about than him

[hardy storm]

Hoping to get in touch with someone who could help me figure out how to get Mini Jukebox into my own server, if that's allowed. I have blueberry's github open, just the first time I've built something from a config and my first time "making" a discord bot so I'm unfamiliar with the discord side of it as well . Please @ in replies

[dusty pollen]

@prisma flume there's no license in the repo is it ARR?

[dusty pollen]

Do you have somewhere to host the bot?

[hardy storm]

Meaning?

[dusty pollen]

the way bots work is that you run them as a program on a computer, and that program talks to discord to do the bot stuff. Obviously this isn't something that should go on your personal computer because any time it's off, the bot wouldn't work, so you need to have some kind of server to put it on (either one that you own yourself or paying for hosting)

[hardy storm]

would you recommend "buying" or "renting" and for whichever any recommendations?

also thank you sm for walking me through this

[lethal walrus]

buying is extremely expensive unless you buy something like a raspberry pi, renting is generally preferred since you're just allocated a small amount of a much larger server (farm computer, for example, is on a $6/month server with a few of my other things and works fine)

[dusty pollen]

renting is better in nearly every way, like pillow said. You wouldn't be renting the physical equipment to your house, you'd basically upload the bot to a computer that's somewhere else

[hardy storm]

would you mind recommending the service?

and thank you both again!!

[lethal walrus]

what service?

[hardy storm]

like which service you rent from?

where does one rent a server for 6$ a month

[lethal walrus]

oh

FC is on digitalocean but theyre by far not the cheapest option

[pliant snow]

A music bot also requires more storage and RAM than the cheapest option would offer

[hardy storm]

would you happen to know the specs of what id be looking for? id really only be hosting the bot

[strange copper]

You're probably going to want something thats always-on and listening since its a discord bot, so free sites like render are potentially not options

[crystal wren]

I would also heavily caution you the if you hang a public facing server (as opposedto it being a computer on your home network), you'll want to be very, very careful to secure it properly.

[hardy storm]

How would I go about doing that? Would you recommend any hosting sites in particular?

[lethal walrus]

mini jukebox doesnt need any open ports so you dont need to do much in the vein of securing

[crystal wren]

You're not really going to be using a hosting site per se for this. I would probably just slap it on a DigitalOcean VPS.

Really whichever route you go with is going to require some learning!

[crystal wren]

And true, but with the defaults of a lot of VPS services being an open SSH with password logins, that's just asking to get it compromised unless you know to change it.

[lethal walrus]

true

[crystal wren]

(I also won't be able to reply reliably until tomorrow, because I should be trying to sleep. )

[hardy storm]

Could you or someone (whenever, no rush haha) recommend some reading for that learning?

[cinder karma]

Go to sleep

[pliant snow]

Honestly, if you had an old laptop lying around you'd be fine leaving on, that would probably be the easiest way to go

[hardy storm]

and how would i set that up?

or rather would you mind pointing me in the direction of some resources so i could teach myself?

and thank you all again for the help, its really so appreciated

[pliant snow]

There's a few different ways to set it up. Most servers run Linux, so if you went and rented a cloud server, you would need to know how to set that up. You could do so on your old machine, but it's also possible to run the program on windows. As for running it, it shouldn't be too difficult, you just need to download it, get the settings file configured, then run it, making sure it just stays on all the time. Bots are easier to run than most other server programs, in this case you just need a machine that can handle it

[prisma flume]

it's licensed as 'i'll read all the available licenses later when i've got some free time', which i've been using for most of my projects since 2019

[fleet wren]

that's ARR with extra steps

[pliant snow]

I don't see what A Realm Reborn has to do with this

[cinder karma]

Arr is pirates right

[supple ether]

[dreamy vigil]

(I get free games monthly from Amazon Prime, so here are free game codes for anyone interested!

Just react to this message with the ones you want, and I'll pick a random winner for each game tomorrow. Feel free to react for multiple games. Anyone can play (not just mod authors).

• 1️⃣ Dark Envoy (GOG)
• 2️⃣ FATE: Undiscovered Realms (GOG)
• 3️⃣ Jupiter Hell (GOG)
• 4️⃣ Saints Row 2 (GOG)
• 5️⃣ Saints Row IV: Re-Elected (GOG)
• 6️⃣ Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II (GOG)
• 7️⃣ Star Wars Rebellion (GOG)
• 8️⃣ TOEM (GOG)
• 9️⃣ Thief 3: Deadly Shadows (GOG)
• 🔟 Tomb Raider I-III Remastered (GOG)

If enough people are interested, maybe this could be a monthly thing.)

[safe dragon]

me hoverin over these links like it's a company phishing test

toem is great for those who like more casual feel good games, I recommend it

[marble jewel]

Same, except I ended up with a bunch of duplicates from Humble Monthly Bundle

• 1️⃣ Forager
• 2️⃣ Sid Meier's Civilization VI Platinum Edition
• 3️⃣ Ikenfell
• 4️⃣ Superhot: Mind Control Delete
• 5️⃣ Wasteland 3
• 6️⃣ Doom Eternal
• 7️⃣ Spirit Farer: Farewell Edition

[crystal wren]

(Matt, I would just do a .qp --options 7 )

[marble jewel]

Oh that would be much simpler

I'll keep that in mind for next time, lol

[dreamy vigil]

(Technically your links let someone claim them directly, so it's more a first come first served.) (fixed!)

[crystal wren]

Oh no, I'd get rid of those before the bots grab them.

Because bots will grab them.

[marble jewel]

Alright, lemme look these up

I probably get free games from Prime too, but I don't really pay attention to those

I should probably check

[dusty pollen]

civ 6 platinum edition is currently free in the free games channel too!

quick, someone tell atra though, they love video games /lh

[tranquil grove]

they were the first to at pathos's, at least

I want to try like half of matt's list ~eventually~ but it'd just sit in my list for a year

[dusty pollen]

this is the first time I’ve seen screenshots of the tomb raider remaster

it sure is smoother, ig

[tranquil grove]

yeah, they didn't go too deep on reworking the lighting for those

[dreamy vigil]

(The game codes on my list will expire soonish if they're not claimed, so feel free to participate even if you won't play them for a while. They'll just go to waste otherwise.)

[dusty pollen]

(I do not play video games enough to even recognise most of these but I told some friends to come check this channel again in case they actually play games and want any)

[crystal wren]

I dunno, going from per vertex to per pixel lighting feels like a big jump to me.

[crystal wren]

(I know you mean visually, I'm just teasing!)

[tidal charm]

Spiritfarer is great from what I've seen. I just haven't played it because based on what I've seen I know it will emotionally wreck me

[tranquil grove]

unfortunately(?) I think I've actually played the stuff from your list that I would play

[tidal charm]

if you like getting emotionally destroyed though, definitely give it a try

[cinder karma]

(I've replaced my entire personality with kpop)

[pliant snow]

Don't be silly, surely people wouldn't abuse their bots in this server to get free games.....

People always seem unwilling to redeem GoG game codes

I have no such problems

[cinder karma]

See, I don't have a gog account

I also don't have a Netflix account

[dreamy vigil]

(A GOG account is free though, especially if you just redeem free game codes every month.)

[cinder karma]

I have no issues against gog (or steam, or humble bundle)

I've just replaced my entire personality with singing "your idol" into the mirror

[pliant snow]

I'll be polite and only mark myself down for some of them lol

[strange copper]

It wrecked me but I dont regret

[worn remnant]

spiritfarer was a fun time but i found the busywork parts (farming, fishing, cooking, etc.) a little lackluster. the story parts were good, and the characters are varied enough that i expect for most people there is at least one character whose arc will really resonate with you

[strange copper]

I would spend hours just making fabric on the loom bc it made a nice noise haha

[cinder karma]

You'll make a great knitter

Number of times I've stayed up late just to finish something

[devout vault]

I would have tons of humble monthly duplicates if I had, you know, every actually gone through any of my monthly games

[strange copper]

Close! Cross stitch

And knotted bracelets

Been a while since I made any tho

[cinder karma]

It's been A Theory of mine that crafts offer a dopamine boost

[devout vault]

I read this too fast and saw "mine that crafts" and quickly assumed... minecraft

Which would still be a valid statement, except this is atra who has never played minecraft

[cinder karma]

Consider: Minecraft socks

[cinder karma]

You think you'd play any of the games pathos/matt listed?

[dusty pollen]

-# show please

[pliant snow]

oh those are fancy

[cinder karma]

Beautiful

[slim mantle]

They're giving me sprite clothing ideas tbh 😍🫶🏼

[sand frost]

Ooh nice weaving!!

[dusty pollen]

it’s not technically weaving, they’re knots!

[sand frost]

Nice knotting, then

Not to be confused with knitting

[dusty pollen]

what kind of thread do you use? last time I tried to use nice multi stranded thread it kept snapping 😭

[cyan shadow]

(Last time I made knotted bracelets I used a thinner yarn instead of embroidery thread and it worked quite well)

[strange copper]

Just dmc 6 stranded floss!

Dmc is the good stuff, although idk how accessible it is globally

Ive also used dmc pearl cotton (size 5 i think?)

[modest jewel]

FNA is funny.

[steel kraken]

I guess thats technically off-topic as stardew's monogame not fna, but its close

[modest jewel]

Hmm... that is interesting. Speaking of making game engines.
I've always wanted to make a XNA-Like framework for .

I tried several times and failed during the graphics pipeline section.

[rain apex]

I thought u just yoink vulkan/opengl for that

[modest jewel]

It's not the APIs that are the problem. Well excluding which is miserable to work with.

It's more or less mapping the GraphicsDevice functions to conform with

[worn remnant]

i don't know a lot about vulkan except 1. the goal was to supplant opengl and 2. i have heard nothing but complaints from those who have used it

[steel kraken]

My understanding of opengl vs vulkan is that OpenGL at its core is a standard library/sdk to interact with graphics, and it's the gpu driver and hardwares job to figure out what that means.

While Vulkan is a more direct/low level api that speaks something much closer to what the gpu actually wanted to begin with

similar thing happend with earlier versions of directX are a lot like openGL and DX12 is more like vulkan

the main advantage of vulkan is less overhead, and that its more stable as you rely a lot less on the driver doing the right thing.
this was a big deal when Intel Arc first launched, it could do vulkan pretty well but struggled on older directX titles

[supple ether]

Oooo vulkan
I wonder if it's actually any more performant given the structural limitations of the framework

Vulkan wasn't meant to "replace" opengl, it was meant to be a more explicit alternative that gives more direct control over the rendering pipeline.

OpenGL was designed to be used directly by developers, so it's easier to use, but it does a lot of "magic" behind the scenes, so there is more overhead and there's a lot of optimizations you can't make simply because you have less control over how it does things

Vulkan also has better support for hardware parallelization because it uses synchronization semaphores instead of a state machine

Vulkan is mainly useful for rendering/game engines/frameworks and large studios, because those allow putting in lots of time to do something specific very well, whereas opengl is better for small teams and solo devs because it's more accessible and requires less work to do simple rendering

[worn remnant]

ah, that makes sense

you can see how closely i follow the dev industry /lh
i had remembered reading that the Received Wisdom was that opengl was terrible and everyone hated it for the reasons given

hence vulkan, for the reasons given, but i've only seen complaints about how difficult it is to use

[supple ether]

something interesting I've noticed since VS updated is that the syntax highlighting now has a separate color for extension methods vs regular methods

I can see where that would be useful

[modest jewel]

chicken tikka masala
LWJGL's API is absolute cheeks.

[modest jewel]

Been quite a long time since I've used Visual Studio. Since replaced it with JetBrains when I was on WIndows.

[hardy storm]

i have a 2019 macbook pro thats bootcamped for windows. would that do the trick do you think?

is there anything i need to do on the laptop to "make" it a server? also im still a bit lost on what from the github i need to download and how to run it

[lethal walrus]

a server is just a computer thats called a server

no inherent hardware differences

[safe dragon]

yeah you'd pick your specs differently than for a home pc normally but fundamentally they're the same thing

as for how it's run, looking at the repo... you'd need to download it, create a folder called private with a config.json to put stuff like your discord bot token inside of.

seems to use docker so you'd download docker and use docker compose up from the main folder to boot it up

This file thankfully has comments explaining everything that can/has to be in the config file https://github.com/b-b-blueberry/mini-jukebox/blob/master/src/config.py

I've never actually used this but that's what it seems like from a peek

[hardy storm]

thank you thank you

okay ive decided to just use digital ocean instead because i dont know whether im keeping this laptop or not. could someone familiar with digital ocean direct me to the section of their docs that is relevant to setting up a server for mini jukebox please? and if there are security concerns, what best practices might be, please

[dusty pollen]

I believe you want Compute

[quick hare]

If you search “Digital Ocean” plus the name of whatever OS you chose, they have a pretty extensive list of guides on the site.

So “Digital Ocean Ubuntu Setup Guide” or something like that

For security, beyond having a good password for yourself and root, you’ll need to ensure your firewall is configured and likely install a service like fail2ban and configure it to block people trying to connect.

Which DO likely has guides for all of that

[pliant snow]

y-yeah fail2ban I totally bother setting that up

Some things you'll want to do though

• Generate an SSH key, set the server up to log in only if you have that key installed, turn off password authentication
• The easiest way to run the bot would be to do as crumble said, install Docker and run the program that way. You might want to wait just a tiny bit longer (or pester blueberry) as there's a change that might make it slightly easier to install coming

[crystal wren]

I would also consider that you might be able to get a dedicated second-hand computer or laptop capable of running it for the cost of renting an adequate VPS for a year.

Then security basically becomes a non-issue.

[pliant snow]

Yeah, I personally would run it on that laptop rather than the VPS

[crystal wren]

How much RAM does it tend to hog, anyway?

Because that will easily bump up the VPS price by a lot.

[pliant snow]

hop in there an play a song, i never really paid too close attention

it looks like the highest its gotten this week is about 400M

[crystal wren]

It didn't like my choice of song...

[pliant snow]

oh yeah thats the other thing

[steel kraken]

I run mine on my pi

[crystal wren]

Oh, if a Pi handles it... that's gonna be wildly cheaper.

[steel kraken]

granted its a quad core 8gb pi, but its idling at 1.3gb utilization and pretty much all cores are idling

an older pi could do it perfectly fine its not a heavy application

[dusty pollen]

how old? do we think my pi 1 could manage

[steel kraken]

only one way to find out

[dusty pollen]

that would involve flashing a new OS into its SD card so maybe in the future

[cinder karma]

Iro can you run this

https://github.com/jhamrick/gutenbach

[steel kraken]

oh the one I use now is 64bit os required, so could struggle on pi1-pi3 https://github.com/museofficial/muse

the older one I used to use JMusicBot probably could run on the older pi's but it struggles to successfully play youtube content these days

[dusty pollen]

why is this jukebox implementing a printing protocol

[cinder karma]

It is a printer at heart

[steel kraken]

having git commits going back to 2002 would partially explain it

[cinder karma]

Alternatively:

Iro, back in the day, we had mp3s on our hard drives

None of this streaming

[steel kraken]

considering git came out in 2005, having 2002 commits is probably a port job

Photo of my raspberry pi

[autumn tangle]

For people using Visual Code or Rider, how do you hot reload?

[devout vault]

I’ve always just used SFML and wrote my own thing on top.

The stuff on top is on my github somewhere, buts it’s not much

[supple ether]

Java is a PITA to work with though

[devout vault]

What

[devout vault]

It’s a struggle sometimes that’s for sure, never figured out when it dies and doesn’t.

(I’ve only really used it on Macs , though)

[devout vault]

Hence me working in code crimes before I seriously get into Minecraft modding

[cinder karma]

Why are both you and iro surprised???

I'm legitimately surprised

[dusty pollen]

and this is supposed to explain why your printer played music?

also wdym back in your day, do you think I'm ten years old

[cinder karma]

We agree I'm older than you

You also think I'm 12.5

[dusty pollen]

it's very furry

[cinder karma]

Maybe 13

So clearly you're 10

[devout vault]

A Wii U??? In 2025?????

(It gets more hate than it deserves, I really enjoyed a lot of stuff on there.)

(Best part of wind waker HD is tied betweeen swift sail, and using the gamepad as inventory access and such without pausing)

[devout vault]

Spirit farer is technically on my wishlist, and I have fond memories of the first FATE game when I was younger. But that's it. (And I don't really use GOG, so Pathos's games I would much more easily forget about)

[hardy storm]

is the pi 5 in a keyboard (the 500) worth it or just a gimmick for people like me who are clueless as to what to do with a pi ?

[safe dragon]

I'll put a pi inside a keyboard for free

[hardy storm]

as i thought lol

so would 2 or 4gb ram be sufficient?

to host jukebox?

also, all love to blueberry, but i’m not attached to mini jukebox. if there’s a similar and easier to set up bot i’m open to recs

i just only knew of mini jukebox lol

[dusty pollen]

I actually loved the idea of the keyboard pi4 when it came out because I thought it was a neat form factor, but idk if I'd spend extra just for that

[dusty pollen]

if you're happy with just any music bot, there are tons that you don't even have to host yourself

just look up "discord music bot" and a bunch will come up

[cinder karma]

you know, putting pockets in all my sleepwear might be a good idea

[cinder karma]

"Your Idol" apparently beat out BTS in spotify

So.

If there are demonic boy bands trying to eat our souls I think they succeed

[sand frost]

I have been feeling the urge to sprinkle pockets, myself

Mainly in a pair of nice linen pants that are otherwise excellent for pretending to be fancy in the summer (as long as I can overlook the wrinkles)

I haven’t quite gotten the hang of dressing business casual in a nice way, but I at least can’t be faulted for the casualness of my dress, on most days

I just feel a bit like I have no talent for matching outfits, and also I shop almost exclusively from the clearance section so some of the colors and patterns are a bit unusual

[hardy storm]

🤦‍♀️

[dusty pollen]

dw, happens to us all found any good ones?

[hardy storm]

geek music ? have any suggestions?

[dusty pollen]

I can't remember any names right now for some reason

geek sounds like it might be decent though

[hardy storm]

currently have no clue how to get it to work but practice makes perfect lmao

[dusty pollen]

feel free to keep asking questions if you have any! these things are easier when there's someone to bounce ideas off of sometimes

[dreamy vigil]

Congrats to the winners of the tiniest game sweepstakes! I'll send you DMs with the game codes.

@pliant snow:

• Dark Envoy (GOG)
• Tomb Raider I-III Remastered (GOG)

@red crest:

• TOEM (GOG)

@lunar radish:

• Saints Row 2 (GOG)
• Saints Row IV: Re-Elected (GOG)

@terse galleon:
Thief 3: Deadly Shadows (GOG)

Unclaimed prizes:

• FATE: Undiscovered Realms (GOG)
• Jupiter Hell (GOG)
• Star Wars Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II (GOG)
• Star Wars Rebellion (GOG)

If anyone wants any/all of the unclaimed prizes, just ping me and I'll send you the game code(s).

[hardy storm]

thank you! so i chatted with the creator of geek music and realized how sweet of a situation yall have here with mini jukebox. i dont understand all of the terminology but as far as i understand it, there's a scaling issue with the parsers (called cobalts? https://cobalt-list.maitregeek.eu/status) that grab audio from youtube/spotify/etc. they get blocked by those respective companies when they have high use (geek music has 2-4k unique users / day versus mini jukebox with i'd guess a max of 10). geek music has a premium service where you can get a separate instance of the bot with your server's branding etc and even a dedicated api for your bot but thats downstream from the parser issue, apparently? all of this to say, i guess i need to learn python at some point after all

[steel kraken]

It's an objectively better Wii, and I really liked the dual screen gimmick of the console.
Splatoon 1 was a magical game

[dusty pollen]

I like the design of the splatoon games despite having never played any of them

[cinder karma]

Born in China and raised in the USA = i drink warm Gatorade like some weird cultural remix

[sand frost]

That truly is weird

I mostly don’t drink Gatorade

My mom fed me Gatorade too much when I was very small and sick so I feel a bit queasy drinking it

[limpid dagger]

pedialye maybe?

[sand frost]

they all have the same taste to them

[devout vault]

Not in every way though, if only because of the dropped gamecube compat.

But you could argue that's more of a legacy feature in the first place rather than a feature of the console itself

[steel kraken]

I never used the gamecube functionality

[cursive sigil]

I've never had a console but i remember really wanting a Wii when those were popular it's the only time i've ever wanted a console lol

[dusty pollen]

are there any cryptography/cipher/alternate alphabet nerds in the channel who could help me out

I have a message in a mystery alphabet lmao

[pliant snow]

It's Japanese

[dusty pollen]

pretty sure it isn’t

[vague hill]

This is..... baffling. I recognize some like [ and 。and sigma but i have no idea how they could relate to each other

[rain apex]

14 letters

Or is that 14 word

[dusty pollen]

just the alphabet

[dusty pollen]

right? the H with the slanted middle line looks like a nordic rune iirc but what on earth are the rest of these

this is my handwriting but the original was also handwritten, and very messily

[cinder karma]

Heavy Metal Knitting - World Championship - 8th of July - Joensuu, Finland https://share.google/l4cZNSjzYT6nkSEzR

Are there any repeat

[pliant snow]

are you the zodiac killer

[dusty pollen]

yeah, I just don’t want to share the original ciphertext because there’s a chance it contains names

[dusty pollen]

I’m not, but the guy who wrote the ciphertext might be

[pliant snow]

are you trying to solve the zodiac killer's message

[dusty pollen]

depends, is the zodiac killer my family friend’s 18 year old son?

[pliant snow]

you never know

[cursive sigil]

could be if he also has a secret time machine

[sand frost]

if it's a 14 letter substitution cipher you might have to try to break on letter/word frequency alone, is it intended to be solvable via alphabet?

to me this looks like semicolon, 0, 0 with a o inside, Sigma, I, Y but weird, C but bold, chinese ., Lambda, funky A, U but square, Aleph but weird, l with a slash (polish), and idk

[cinder karma]

Thing is, none of those are the same

It looks like there are no repeats

[cursive sigil]

that's just a list of each letter used in the message not the actual message

[safe dragon]

the actual message reads "you cracked it! fuckin nerd"

[cursive sigil]

sounds like something a teenagers would say to their mum

[cinder karma]

Oh I'm very dumb ignore me

[dusty pollen]

no clue but there are issues with trying to crack it as a substitution cipher 😭

[dusty pollen]

it's not really an aleph but the family is also somewhat Hebrew speaking so who knows by

[dusty pollen]

I actually put it in a brute force solver and... nothing

[devout vault]

Sounds you didn’t use enough force /s

[safe dragon]

force harder

[sand frost]

might have to write your own xD

what's the text length?

it's probably not a syllable-based cipher just because (assuming the underlying message is in english) there would be extremely limited syllables at 14 of them

[safe dragon]

it's a quadrodecimal encoding with custom characters to represent each of the 14 values

[sand frost]

in puzzles, 26 = 25 (5^2) = 27 (3^3) = 32 (2^5) but nothing is 14

most of these are dissimilar enough that it seems unlikely to be a 2-3 component characater, but there is the semicolon and funny period, along with the O with a o inside. Two of the symbols (Lambda and square U) could be pigpen of some kind

[winged cape]

but the letters listed are only the ones used in the message no?

[dusty pollen]

tbh I just gave up on cracking it if we find out the answer I'll let you know haha

[cinder karma]

Iro, is there whitespace

[dusty pollen]

yes

[sand frost]

Can you try patterning off 1-letter and 3-letter words?

[dusty pollen]

so, yes and no. There are exactly two one letter words, and assigning a and I to them causes another word to start with either aiai… or iaia…

[cinder karma]

Aiiii

[sand frost]

Hmmmm

Are you sure this is a correct cipher

It could be vigenere I suppose

But the text is unlikely to be breakable in that case by any reasonable hand efforts

[dusty pollen]

absolutely not

for context, this guy gave it to his mum (who isn’t into cryptography) for her birthday and refused to give her hints or tell her what it means

[sand frost]

wow

such a nice birthday present

[dusty pollen]

yup

really had her in mind

[sand frost]

does she have...a favorite book?

[dusty pollen]

he also didn’t even take the effort to write it up nicely, there are bits where he made mistakes and scribbled them out

[sand frost]

amazing

[dusty pollen]

I’d be very surprised if this had anything actually to do with her tbh

quicker than I could report it lmao

[pliant snow]

turns out I've had my RAM set to like the minimum speed for 6 years

[red crest]

free upgrade

[pliant snow]

from 2133 to 3200 lets go

[safe dragon]

good job

this is why I tell people to check if they've got their xmp profile set in the bios every time someone builds a pc

[pliant snow]

didnt tell me wtf

I probably should go check it on the server too huh

god its also the same

[safe dragon]

I uh

maybe I assumed you'd already do that

[pliant snow]

this is all your fault

[safe dragon]

of course, my bad

[sonic mirage]

EXPO go brrr

[pliant snow]

im not surprised my bios isnt configured well at all though

one of these days i'll look up how to configure my fans

[devout vault]

I don't even know what this is

Given the place I bought mine from focuses on gaming computers, down to installing water cooling... I'd hope they checked for that already

[safe dragon]

should be relatively easy to check in the bios

[sonic mirage]

RAM sticks come with performance profiles built into them, but the BIOS likely won't enable them by default. XMP for Intel, EXPO for AMD

[devout vault]

But then I have to restart my computer

[safe dragon]

essentially XMP/EXPO just refine your ram timings and frequencies allowing you to boosit it higher

[devout vault]

My current uptime is 6 days, I can't just throw that away

[safe dragon]

they're the same thing just intel and amd respectively

[fleet wren]

most modern bios have a giant shiny "enable XMP" button on the front page
(makes me wonder why it's not on by default in some cases, like this motherboard costs 400 bucks by itself and has RGB lights it's probably safe to assume the target audience wants it on)

[safe dragon]

wouldn't be surprised if it's off to avoid liability in case it causes instability

cause technically it could

[sonic mirage]

It's technically overclocking

[safe dragon]

even though the ram retailers market the xmp rates

[sonic mirage]

The more RAM slots on your mobo and the more sticks you try to use at once the more likely you are to have memory instability

Yes, empty RAM slots cause interference since their traces are just out there absorbing tiny interferences

[safe dragon]

ok I'll tear them out

I'll grab a knife

[sonic mirage]

Boards meant for extreme overclocking tend to come with just two slots instead of four for this reason, and mobo vendors recommend using two sticks instead of four even when you do have four slots

[devout vault]

Turning Random Access Memory into Random Access Forgetfulness

[sonic mirage]

Daft Punk's cancelled next album

[devout vault]

Huh, TIL.

Alas, I think the same amount of RAM in two slots often costs more than across four

[sonic mirage]

It should be pretty close in pricing, usually

[devout vault]

Oh. That’s what I get for assuming

[fleet wren]

(this is entirely unrelated, but wow I found a tech support 8 years ago that says "32GB RAM is totally overkill unless you're running VMs")

[devout vault]

Assumed because denser memory would be more expensive to make beyond just amount of GB

I assumed

Like the cost of more precise manufacturing and such

[fleet wren]

(just goes to show times change, now I need that much to run modern triple-A games while still keeping Firefox open)

[devout vault]

Wait, people actually play AAA games?

(/s)

[sonic mirage]

https://www.computerworld.com/article/1563853/the-640k-quote-won-t-go-away-but-did-gates-really-say-it.html

[devout vault]

Well, I suppose mainline Nintendo might count as AAA? But those aren’t on PC at least via official methods and so don’t count

[supple ether]

I would still say it's overkill for most things but also I don't think I've played a AAA game ever unless you count Spore

Wait no I played destiny for a few months and got bored of it

[devout vault]

I’m not really sure what counts as AAA. Like I get it’s mainly budget, but I’m unsure if I’ve actually played any much

[devout vault]

Oh, I guess I played Fortnite a bit with friends

Oh, Skyrim, duh

And probably the two MMOs I’ve played

[supple ether]

Believe it or not I have yet to play skrim

[fleet wren]

I'd say the most recent AAA game I played was Alan Wake 2; that game for some reason has ridiculous system requirements for a single player narrative experience

I guess we need to see Alan's sweat beads in crisp 4K even in 1080p

[pliant snow]

it was called DOCP in my bios

[devout vault]

I’m not sure I’ve played any recent AAA games besides Fortnite and FFXIV (that probably counts?)

So basically, not since before the era of AAA games needing more RAM than phone has total

[safe dragon]

tf is docp

[devout vault]

Deranged, Overclocked Content Patcher

[safe dragon]

DOCP is apparently just ASUS' brand name for xmp/expo

[fleet wren]

deranged overclocked content patcher be like "I allow extending tilesheets to the left"

[safe dragon]

Defense Organizational Climate Pulse

that was the first google result

and then ASUS's thing

[devout vault]

Okay, you say that, but I did have ideas on how to reasonably implement expanding maps up or left without breaking compatibility with other mods...

I've already done tilesheet crimes pre-1.6 for extending tilesheets past the 4096 pixels tall limit

[safe dragon]

up or left specifically

into the negative coordinates

[devout vault]

Yep

Right or down is already possible (for maps)

Expanding right on tilesheets will cause Problems™

But that's getting dangerously on topic

[safe dragon]

smh

[lethal walrus]

wouldnt it be problem-free™ if you just realign things as you expand

[devout vault]

True, but accounting for patches would be harder since those use coordinates not sprite indices

Especially ones implemented in C# instead of CP

[dusty pollen]

so it's an indexing issue?

[devout vault]

Unless you patch SMAPI itself I guess

Yeah

For a four tile wide spritesheet, index 5 is on the second row

But expanding it to be eight tiles wide, it moves to the first

But some places use indices, and some use coordinates directly

Probably still doable, but very complicated

[dusty pollen]

clearly the solution is to get pathos to completely rewrite how the game uses sprite/tilesheets--

[devout vault]

And unsure it's worth the effort now that we can use separate tilesheets for our items

[dusty pollen]

but what if I really really want to extend a tilesheet right?

in slightly more off topic news, I've been messing around with sat solvers recently

I'm always impressed at how flexible they are

[devout vault]

Like I said, possible but not worth the effort for reasons I’m currently aware of (beyond “because I can”, which is perfectly valid and I’ve done things for that reason many times)

[devout vault]

I assume you mean physics and not US standardized testing 😛

[dusty pollen]

neither constraint satisfiability

[devout vault]

What does sat stand for

I was assuming re:physics = separating axis theorem

[safe dragon]

short for satisfiability

[dusty pollen]

it's an NP-hard problem of finding a combination of boolean values that satisfies some arbitrary logical constraint if one exists

but there are solvers that do it more efficiently and they're super powerful

[safe dragon]

it's np-complete in fact

it kinda reminds me of linear programming

[dusty pollen]

I refuse to acknowledge the part of np-hard that isn't np-complete simply because I refuse to acknowledge anything that isn't np

[safe dragon]

I had to write a really shitty linear programming solver in uni

[dusty pollen]

ew

linear programming is interesting in theory but irritating in practice

[safe dragon]

essentially the most basic naive implementation of the simplex method

[sand frost]

LP is useful tho sometimes I’m pretty sure

[strange copper]

I think advent of code had a constraint problem like that last year

[safe dragon]

advent of code has had its fair share of problems that could be solved by an LP solver yeah

[sand frost]

Like “annoying or trivial but very useful” is like most things I work on

[dusty pollen]

LP is very useful! and I'm very glad it's being done by people and that those people aren't me

[strange copper]

I ended up doing a bunch of stuff by hand

Then a solver

[safe dragon]

me with date handling

[strange copper]

Real

[sand frost]

That’s how I feel about CFD

[dusty pollen]

but sat solvers are fun, I'm messing around with writing a basic cnf generator now

[safe dragon]

I haven't picked a programming language yet for AoC this year

[dusty pollen]

I've never done aoc

[safe dragon]

I've done it quite a few times

the last few years with the added challenge to keep the total runtime of all days together under 1 second

[strange copper]

I always end up with life getting in the way a bit but I rly enjoy getting better every year

[safe dragon]

my C# solutions for 2024 ended up only taking 0.09 seconds though for all 25 days so it didn't really end up being a challenge

my rust year was around 0.3 seconds

the only year I fought for that < 1 second was the year I did Haskell

normally I pick something I'm not very familiar with but last year I was in the middle of changing jobs around AoC so I just did C#

I do enjoy it enough to keep doing it every year

[cinder karma]

Huh

C# faster than rust?

Did you use the less secure but faster hasher

[safe dragon]

in rust? yeah

it's different years so it's not a 1:1 comparison but also I just know C# very well so I know how to profile my code

I also used stuff like TensorPrimitives a fair bit for SIMD optimization

I'm sure someone who's very good with rust could've written something vastly faster without changing any of the algorithms used

that year of advent of code was when I truly discovered that spans are magical performance enhancers

[cinder karma]

Fucking love spans man

[safe dragon]

I used a lot of .NET 9's features that were just released around AoC

the new regex stuff that uses spans instead

[cinder karma]

Huh, interesting

Did you use the sourcegen regex?

[safe dragon]

saved a lot of memory to use the new regex compared to the old one. And with old I still mean the source-gen ones

uh yes

I love source generators

I can't write them myself to save my life but they're great

[cinder karma]

Man, if only I had the chance to use modern c#

[safe dragon]

.NET 8 and 9 were both really nice

[cinder karma]

They sound nice lol

[safe dragon]

.NET 10 seems good with stuff like stack allocating small arrays

[cinder karma]

Params span my beloved

I also really wanted an excuse to use the alternative dictionary indexer

[safe dragon]

the big thing I pray for is being able to use span parameters in async methods

since most of my C# work is on web apis

[cinder karma]

In asynchronous methods? Hmm

[safe dragon]

idk if it's even technically feasible

you can use Memory instead but it ain't the same

[cinder karma]

Yeah, I was about to say, it doesnt seem feasible

[safe dragon]

it's fine ultimately but I can dream

it has never really stopped me from doing anything

[cinder karma]

Microsoft would have to make a ref struct task or smth

[safe dragon]

you can use spans in methods that return tasks these days

but it can't itself by async of course

there's the whole async2 thing still going on but I doubt that'll affect this limitation

[cinder karma]

Remind me: is that a green threads?

[safe dragon]

nope that was their experiment prior to this that didn't work out

[cinder karma]

God I'm old

I don't remember any of this

[devout vault]

I am so close to making a custom windhawk mod

Tired of my taskbar randomizing every time I lock my computer and the monitors turn off

[safe dragon]

the very short and simplified gist of async2 is that they would like to move async into the runtime itself instead of living in the compiled IL code

and see what they can achieve with this move

[cinder karma]

And why is that better?

[devout vault]

While I'm at it it'd be neat to partition the taskbar. Purely visually

[safe dragon]

if you're in the mood for some reading https://github.com/dotnet/runtimelab/blob/feature/async2-experiment/docs/design/features/runtime-handled-tasks.md

any explanation I could give would be poor at best

I believe a nice benefit of it would be that async stack traces would no longer be borderline unreadable

and there's something I vaguely about it helping with the current issue in C# where throwing an exception in an async context causes a fairly significant delay

[cinder karma]

I am in the mood for reading but I don't have the time 😦

[safe dragon]

though .NET 9 already made that a lot better without this