programmers-off-topic

[marble jewel]

One Block is the Skyblock-esque one where you keep on mining the same block right?

[lethal walrus]

correct

[ivory shadow]

This reminded me of a dream I had a while back, that was like... real life, but physics glitches exist. And there was this fusion of speedrunner and parkour culture. That dream was a riot.

[marble jewel]

And One Chunk, is that the expanding borders one?

[devout vault]

I want to like this mod enough to use it but unfortunately I wouldn't want my boobs progression locked. There's enough of that IRL

[devout vault]

No that's border hoarder

One Chunk is limited to 16x16 the whole game

[marble jewel]

Oh, I remember another one chunk type thing where they unlocked neighboring chunks

[pliant snow]

who you calling chunky

[red crest]

solution: spawn in your own but set up a factory to mass produce it for the populace

[devout vault]

Hmm, that sounds vaguely familiar. This one just expands the border in each direction by one block for each unique item/block you get

[lethal walrus]

are you thinking of https://modrinth.com/datapack/chunklock

[marble jewel]

I've had one block on my list to play for a while. My problem is that my ability to play is sporadic and flakey.

[devout vault]

Or just the female gender mod 😛

Assuming no conflicts with Create: Estrogen, the estrogen could then just be for the dash feature

[pliant snow]

and the boobs

[devout vault]

Same, but motivation rather than ability

[tranquil grove]

there's an emoji site with actual citations to symbol proposal docs...but the proposals don't match that anyway
(but in general, most are originally designed by east asian phone companies & use regional styles/shorthand)

[devout vault]

The whole point is I don't want boobs progression locked. 😛

Unless you mean a second set, which would be... a bit unorthodox

[rain apex]

Say are there mc mods that add more of a main quest

[lethal walrus]

there's modpacks like the all the mods series or gregtech: new horizons that add big goals

[rain apex]

When i tried mc like 10+ yr ago the freeformness hindered my ability to really get into it

[devout vault]

While that description is still inaccurate, it's much better than the current day one. Current one looks like someone who is fed up with something

[cursive sigil]

This is why i can only play modpacks with a quest book

[red crest]

most big modpacks nowadays include quests, though less "main scenario quests" and more "questlines for specific mods with one sorta overarching goal"

[rain apex]

Rn i am just hindered by inability to turn on videogames in general

[devout vault]

Yeah, I remember playing packs back in ye olde days, like Agrarian Skies 😛

I think it might be hard for me to play an open world pack anymore.

[red crest]

but there are some packs that specifically have an Actual Main Questline

[devout vault]

I pretty much need constrained space (whether "hard" like compact machines or "soft" like skyblock), and quests

[red crest]

i also prefer quests for some guidance and goals as long as its still freeform whether i actually have to do em (i.e. no gating stuff behind quest completion)

otherwise i get overwhelmed with all the Everything i can do

[cursive sigil]

I don't need choice paralysis, just tell me what to do pls

[devout vault]

Unfortunately, this means I can't play Spectrum, snice it's unknown enough that there are no mods that modify progression to fit a non-natural world

They have ways to modify their progression mechanics, but to do that myself I'd have to spoil myself on a lot

[devout vault]

I think this is definitely a big part of my problem. Where in the world do I make my base

There's a reason I often explore until my cheated-in backpack is completely full with lot and then forget the pack soon after

[tranquil grove]

it's intended to be like a fistpump/just-won-at-sports expression afaik, but it's very "you either know it or you don't" in any other context
(there are 2 alternative sprites that don't look like that, but they're...not clearer)

[red crest]

All of Fabric includes Spectrum and have quests for it, but i dont remember what the quests are like

[marble jewel]

Once you have some sort of remotely accessible storage, your base location doesn't matter as much

Especially if you use mods that grant quicker traveling between locations

[rain apex]

Petition to rename jump mod into 🕴️

[devout vault]

Yeah, that makes sense.

I have some idea around this and preventing overwhelmedness for one of my mod ideas. It'd be most useful for a hand-curated pack though, not a "throw mods together all at once" pack

[cursive sigil]

Even if it doesn't matter i will continue to walk

[marble jewel]

In vanilla at least, I have a sort of progression planned in my head

[devout vault]

But then I don't get to have my fun forge only mods!

And basically no carefully designed modpacks use sinytra connector

[marble jewel]

My overarching goal tends to be to farm everything

[devout vault]

There's still early game choice paralysis

Once I have the base settled I'd probably be fine

[cursive sigil]

For vanilla, mine too

[red crest]

what are the fun forge only mods you specifically need?
(genuine question, since its been so long since ive used forge and not fabric that i dont know what i should explore )

[marble jewel]

No matter where I choose, I'm never happy with my base location

[tranquil grove]

I'm the less picky one of my group, but yeah, we spend the first 1/3 of each minecraft spree looking for the right biome/view

[devout vault]

Brb making "Better Spenny" where instead of jumping she just floats

[marble jewel]

For my next playthrough, I want to be less attached to any one location in particular and instead just have things be more spread out

[devout vault]

See, in theory I would agree.

In practice I need the funny serotonin button

[red crest]

wanting the right biome/view is also why my first step in making a modpack is spinning up a world and generating a 5000x5000 block radius just to explore first in creative

[marble jewel]

I mean, I'll need a respawn and storage, but still be willing to rebuild anywhere else at any time

[devout vault]

Admittedly I'm not sure, I just feel like many content mods are forge only still

[tranquil grove]

portal mods have made it easy to be like "okay I'm gonna dig a hole here and do tech trees, let me know where to teleport"

[devout vault]

I haven't seriously played minecraft in ages

[marble jewel]

Fabric has (had?) plenty of content mods, but I think the trend has been moving them back to Neoforge more recently

[devout vault]

That sounds fun, but you'd likely still have a "headquarters" right?

It's that initial burden for me

[red crest]

on the other hand, why limit yourself to one base? just go through Create and connect many bases via a nice train network no more paralysis when deciding where to live

[devout vault]

And also my building style in MC best described as "purely functional" 😛

One mod idea I've had is basically a block you place down and take your base anywhere.

But not like in a teleport to another dimension way. Either like a "hold a 7x7x7 area into an item to take with you and deploy elsewhere" way, or a "doorway that uses immersive portals" way

[ivory shadow]

I think the only required mods for me at this point in time would be Create, Distant Horizons, and something to make world generation cooler

[red crest]

Terralith + Tectonic is what i use for the last one

very subjective though

[tranquil grove]

I'm irrationally attached to thaumcraft (first real mod pack run), but any magic mod is fun

[marble jewel]

Make the laziest decision. Find a decent village and steal one of their beds.

[devout vault]

A world I made recently took forever for initial generation and I couldn't figure out why until I spawned.

I was on an island in the middle of an ocean, with nothing else. Not even trees

[red crest]

if anything i woulda thought thatd be quicker to generate

[devout vault]

Retrofitting a village into a base sounds like more work than something from scratch though.

Don't try to suggest a way to work around this problem of mine, there is no winning

[devout vault]

Sure, but most of the time mods are for one or the other, so if there's one you like for one loader you can't use it and ones from the other loader (without sinytra I guess)

Another problem with this is the infinite world gen. Like, what if I found an even better place if I keep going a little further

Hence my fixed world size world generation idea that I've talked about here before

[red crest]

cant you just set a world border?

[devout vault]

I've heard Etherology is pretty inspired by TC. I haven't looked into it much though

But yeah TC is my favorite nostalgic magic mod too

[ivory shadow]

I think at this point I'd rather try Larion than Tectonic.

[devout vault]

Across several versions - the first I played was TC2 (the one where research involved pumping items into a block to burn, which made cobble generators useful 😛 )

I remember there being an exploit that got patched where there was this ender chest type thing (like the old ender chest color coded mode, not current ones) where some world gen structures would generate using those chests, but they were populated at world gen. So once I made the chest I could access all the loot even though I couldn't get in the structures yet 😛

The Sword of the Zephyr(?) was also really fun back then, basically just flying in the direction you right click

[red crest]

(honestly might give this a try, since the world i generated today is a bit boring in that 2.5k radius around spawn... so i might as well generate a new one)

[devout vault]

You should go and find the past conversation, but tl;dr: a world border of a reasonable size might not include everything, especially with a bunch of modded content

My fixed size mod involves specifically placing everything within the borders

[ivory shadow]

I have no idea if Larion works with Terralith, but it shuold handle placing additional biomes.

[red crest]

i was gonna say go dimension hopping, but i dont know if theres a mod for recent versions that do that

[devout vault]

Guarenteed to have at least one of each biome/structure, for example (with minimums higher than one being possible)

[ivory shadow]

Some of the terrain I've seen from it is absolutely gorgeous though

[red crest]

RFTools, maybe. i remember Mystcraft though, those were fun days of spamming way too many dimensions on my server and wondering why there was so much lag

[red crest]

(it calls it out as not compatible with Terralith or Tectonic)

[devout vault]

I've had my eye on that for a bit. Though I feel cheated that the icon is a floating island and it has no floating islands mode. (Though to be fair basically all current skylands world gen mods are kinda trash in my opinion - talked about that here before as well)

[devout vault]

It didn't want to place me in water, so it kept starting over in new spots to find an island

Or that's my theory based on the world gen screen when you first make a world

[red crest]

(it does always suck to scrap a pre-generated world though... it doesnt happen quickly on the machine im hosting on lol)

[tranquil grove]

same, we kept remaking worlds because we'd mess up the settings for "world with tons of big ore rocks on the ground" -> oh the server died

[devout vault]

Still doesn't fit what I want 😛

[red crest]

but didnt it feel amazing when dimension #137 was the exact right combo of giant diamond pillars and liquid orotheum fuel oceans or w/e

[devout vault]

But yeah, why is there no modern day Mystcraft.

..maybe RFtools dimension stuff, if that's still a thing?

OH you mentioned that

[red crest]

i dont even know if RFTools is a thing

[tranquil grove]

I enjoyed the oceans of mystery liquid a lot, despite not using any of the mods that involved them
(iirc our "what am i looking at" mod, whatever old version it was, couldn't ID them either)

[devout vault]

Looks like it (at least in 1.20.1)

[red crest]

well, there goes me using it anyway

[devout vault]

I remember being really interested in some of the OTG packs

[red crest]

RFTools dimensions didnt have the same fun of accidentally losing your Mystcraft book and being lost in the world, either

like, im sure you could get stuck in an RFTools dimension, but it feels more fun when its bc you took the wrong book from a bookshelf rather than "oh i forgot my mysterious tech rectangle"

[tranquil grove]

we might've used RFTools last time I played? we had some kind of less-silly but dynamic dimension mod for strip mines

[devout vault]

There's also Dregora, which is interesting (mix of random world gen and hand designed placement and stuff, similar to some OTG stuff I was interested in), but wouldn't be good for modded content (maybe)

Also not in 1.20

[devout vault]

Instability is so much fun

[red crest]

its even more fun when you're not the server admin and its your friend that has to deal with the mess you made!

[devout vault]

Yeah...

[tranquil grove]

most of our use case for alt worlds was to punch holes in it w/o having to look at our mess later, so I kinda wonder if any mods just make temporary ones

[red crest]

i recall a mod called Mining Dimension or whatever that was entirely for that purpose that did that, but i dont know if it still exists or if theres a new alternative

[tranquil grove]

or at least clean up once we break the portals, etc

[devout vault]

I remember it

[tranquil grove]

that one sounds familiar, but yeah, not sure if we ever actually had it

[devout vault]

Speaking of dimensions, I saw this new mod recently which is interesting

https://modrinth.com/mod/nexus-dimension

[red crest]

it might not have cleaned up after itself, but it was an infinite world of ores, so not very necessary

[devout vault]

I rambled about it for a while in my DMs with DH 😛

What they don't show on the nexus page is a bunch of other items for traversing quickly, like specialized road blocks and jump pads

[red crest]

this mod does seem very cool, however unfortunately given just how many mc mods are out there and how unstable some bugs can be, i rely on the wisdom of crowds to determine if i install a mod (aka i look at the download counts)

[devout vault]

I installed it three days ago and haven't had computer problems or mysterious bank transactions yet, does that count? 😛

It's also on github, which obviously isn't foolproof in itself but does help

[red crest]

i just worry about a bug only rearing its head when im significantly into a playthrough in such a way that it cant be easily removed bc it was there for so long

also zero chance i can at all parse a repo for a minecraft mod

[devout vault]

It's also kinda crazy to exploit to get to absurd coordinates. Like, it was unclear from the modpage, but when I tested it, it became clear that each portal's coordinate multiplying was tied to the portal. And to be clear, all portals lead to the same nexus dimension

The portal with that high multiplier is expensive, but only from a casual vanilla perspective.

[devout vault]

Ah, I thought you were talking about malware, not world corruption type stuff

[red crest]

i just dont personally need to travel that far that quickly! plus, it might incentivize me away from making a train network, which is a no-go. i really want my train networks

nah not malware just bugs

[devout vault]

Fair, neither do I. I mainly like the concept for in theory playing on a multiplayer server

[ivory shadow]

Speaking of insane dimensions, have you seen the kind of crazy teleportation machines vanilla technical players build these days?

[devout vault]

Besides the cat porter you mentioned earlier? (And the targetting-anywhere-tnt-cannon type thing adapted for players)

[ivory shadow]

TNT-based pig launcher that sends you to the border of the world instantly kind of madness

[devout vault]

Oh, I heard about that because of the exile stuff with Hermitcraft

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, I thought you may have

[devout vault]

Etho was mostly insulated from that stuff though, and I hardly ever watch other hermitcraft videos

[lethal walrus]

was etho not exiled

[devout vault]

Not in any of his videos at least

[ivory shadow]

1. Using lazy chunks to build up crazy amounts of velocity on a pig in the nether.
2. Ride the pig.
3. Wait in terror for physics to realize what you've done.
4. Travel millions of blocks in mere seconds.

[red crest]

was this like a serious exiling or like a funny little server self-exile cannon thing

[devout vault]

The latter half of all permit office stuff I heard about was barely mentioned

[lethal walrus]

huh, didnt know he wasnt

[lethal walrus]

funny thing

[devout vault]

And there was ZombieCleo who instead of doing the same thing, rode a horse all the way back to spawn

[lethal walrus]

they had a shop license thing and then the people who rebelled got thrown into the changed world spawn

[devout vault]

In between, roleplay stuff for breaking server rules (not real ones, more like a fake government authority type thing)

I can't say etho didn't maliciously comply with permit stuff though, like the rocket shop made of shulkers floating high enough that you couldn't see it from the ground (because tile entities)

[red crest]

that does sound pretty fun

[devout vault]

Yeah, the only bad thing about watching hermitcraft (+life series stuff, new one next month supposedly???) is it makes me wish I had people to play with 😔

[red crest]

(semi-related back to earlier: Larion seems to have generated me a world where i spawn on a tiny island in the middle of the ocean.... well, take two i suppose)

[lethal walrus]

i am very excited for new life series

[red crest]

sdv server minecraft server when (/j as if i dont know that if you asked 5 people in this channel what their mc preferences were you'd get 6 different answers)

[lethal walrus]

the evo elements of the trailer are interesting

[ivory shadow]

I doubt etho would get involved with something like the banishment story arc just because his rate of making content is slower than the others

[devout vault]

I've heard that but don't know what evo is.

I've heard theories about it being called "past life" and including mechanics of past series, but that seems a bit more mundane than I've come to expect. (And like, wild life was already kinda crazy.) So if it is "past life", my theory is that it'll be something to do with an old minecraft version

[devout vault]

Yeah, the current once a month era is tragic (understandable and fair, but tragic)

I miss the days of daily uploads

[lethal walrus]

evo was a series where every once in a while they'd upgrade to a new version of the game, not too much overlap with life in cast but there's a couple of people (solidarity, bigb, martin) in both

also things with omnipotent watcher things? idrk the lore tho

[devout vault]

Oh, that makes a lot more sense (and is even in line with what I was thinking).

See, the only evo I heard of was the fighting game tournament stuff. So I was like "how in the world does this theory make sense"

[devout vault]

DH and I were thinking of making one until we realized, "timezones"

[lethal walrus]

it's explained a bit at the start of grian's first episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VJ2qaJgNdk

[devout vault]

We'd be playing in the same world but never see each other essentially

[red crest]

good reason to set up mailboxes

[devout vault]

Fair, but like, the problem isn't that our playtime isn't 100% aligned. It's that it'd almost never align, at all

I would prefer to play with people at the same time, not have minecraft pen pals

[red crest]

solution: open it to all of this server and not just this channel (also /j)

[devout vault]

It's fine if there's some people that don't line up

[red crest]

(thats fair though, i definitely get that and its also a reason i wouldnt want to be on a tiny server, too)

[devout vault]

But I would want some people that do line up, which is hard with only two people

[devout vault]

I'm thinking the ideal is like 15-20 ish (assuming spread out timezones)?

And like, I'm not sure I even know that many people who'd be interested in playing minecraft regularly

Like, you don't expect me to rope atra into playing modded minecraft regularly, do you? 😛

[red crest]

i dont think i even know that many people period

[ivory shadow]

-# Find a knitting mod /s

[marble jewel]

Alright, Create SDV Minecraft server starting next week confirmed

[devout vault]

Most of the times when I try to watch other minecraft youtubers I have a hard time staying interested.

[devout vault]

I almost said that, but I feel like there's enough people I somewhat know on this server to technically count 😛

[red crest]

if it existed, i would play on it, but i wouldnt expect anyone to make it relying on me to be there to make it worth it

[devout vault]

By "know" I mean "am familiar enough with seeing their name around and interacting a little here and there to be comfortable with, compared to complete stranger"

[devout vault]

Yeah I'd be willing to at least give this a try too

Though perhaps including a few other small mods as well 😛 And spectrum COUGH

[red crest]

is Create 6.0 on 1.20 though

[devout vault]

(I don't even know if I enjoy playing Spectrum yet, I'm just very interseted in trying it)

[red crest]

oh it is. lovely

[devout vault]

I think so, it's in MCE2, but a lot of addons aren't updated

[marble jewel]

I don't know that I have the answer for overlapping play time, but I wouldn't mind putting something out there

[devout vault]

Well, just don't go with shockbyte for hosting. They seem to struggle even with vanilla servers in my experience

[marble jewel]

I'd probably look to Modrinth hosting as an option, but only because their tight integration with Modrinth makes deployment simpler

[red crest]

i have used shockbyte before and i will also anti-recommend them

[devout vault]

Admittedly this is made by the company on the top, but their explanation for their reasoning seems reasonable (the AMD processors they chose is better for singlethreaded stuff like MC, compared to the intel ones other places often use being better for multithreading)

[devout vault]

Modrinth has hosting?

[lethal walrus]

they do

[marble jewel]

Step 1 - pick out a modpack

[devout vault]

Also most places have integration with modpack sites

[lethal walrus]

was originally a pyro wrapper but is their own thing now

[safe dragon]

good luck

how many could there possibly be

6?

[lethal walrus]

(pyro: https://pyro.host/games, modrinth servers: https://modrinth.com/servers)

[red crest]

not only do you have to pick a modpack but then you also have to deal with people (not naming names) who want things added on (not naming mods) /lh

[devout vault]

Their video of the panel shows modpack installed for CurseForge with a dropdown they say has modrinth FTB and technic

And they give file access too

[safe dragon]

hi please add create

[devout vault]

Integrated Dynamics (+addons, I'd honestly be fine without the terminal but please give me scripting) would be nice, too...

[red crest]

i wouldnt go with any host that didnt allow me file access tbh

[devout vault]

Yeah, fair

[red crest]

ive had hosts giving me ez ftp access for minecraft servers back in like, 2011, no reason not to do it

[devout vault]

Yeah, same

[ivory shadow]

I wonder what kind of margins modrinth is making on servers. It seems like they're using OVH, based on a mention of OVH DDoS protection, and OVH cloud isn't that cheap for modern AMD processors. Granted, they probably have a special deal. 🤔

[devout vault]

One of the most interesting tiny mods (required server side and client side) I've seen lately is Dual Wielder. It just adds separate keybindings for left hand niteract and right hand interact.

And since they're new keybindings, people who don't want that can just use the orignial one

https://modrinth.com/mod/dual-wielder

Also Cosmetica, for cosmetics that aren't literal microtransactions with real world money (ie. the ones Essentials provides)

[red crest]

i hope you're writing this all down Matt

[devout vault]

As far as not tiny but still small mods, there's also Enchanting Infuser and Domestication Innovation. (And of course sophisticated backpacks)

[lethal walrus]

I have to say I like essential's cosmetics only because I wrote mods to use pixie with them

(https://github.com/anotherpillow/pixinforgemodern)

[devout vault]

See, these are just random mods I like. 😛

I think a good rule of thumb might be to only have one main mod per niche, if that makes sense? Like (just using recent examples mentioned here) create being the main tech mod, sophisticated being the main backpack mod, spectrum being the main magic mod, integrated dynamics being the main logistics mod, etc.

I guess create has logistics and to some extent storage too, though

[red crest]

i mean im not gonna pretend there arent a handful of misc mods id like too

[devout vault]

Honestly one problem I kinda have with integrated dynamics is it kinda makes traditional redstone building obsolete

Like you can just import/export them into the fancy network

It'd be nice to have have something like Integrated Dynamics but still have different connectors per data type (like item, fluid, logic (redstone), ...)

The tedious part of that is that you can only fit one per block

Clearly the solution is to use https://modrinth.com/mod/curvy-pipes

[lethal walrus]

oo the rust one

[red crest]

i would use curvy pipes for sure

[devout vault]

Something like More Immersive Wires would help with the block thing a bit

(It adds Immersive Engineering style wires for other mods)

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/more-immersive-wires

[sand frost]

i am fascinated by these titles

i feel like my wires are immersive enough

plus i hear you should not submerge wires

[red crest]

in this case its bc the original mod is literally called "Immersive Engineering"

[devout vault]

Curvy Pipes are only allowed if they only work in a dimension that has NoCubes enabled

[sand frost]

immersing them in water bad i hear

[devout vault]

Yeah, what Button said

It's similar to how all the create addons are titled "Create: XYZ"

[cinder karma]

I'm gonna go take some pictures of some very immersive wires

[sand frost]

huh, interesting

oh no scary wires

[ivory shadow]

Honestly, I am not a fan of curvy pipes

[devout vault]

Me neither

Purely because curvy

I like the idea of them not being limited by blocks

[ivory shadow]

Wires are borderline, but curvy pipes are straight out

At least wires travel in straight lines (with sag)

[devout vault]

Also, still want a step between chests/hoppers and instantaneous transfer pipes

Bring back buildcraft pipes!

[ivory shadow]

And the ability to make cool / realistic power poles with wires between them is neat

[devout vault]

My old tech mod for Stardew was gonna work like this for the power stuff

[red crest]

only if they come with the same ugly quarry with the construction frame borders that leaves giant ugly holes in the world

package deal

[devout vault]

Of course

I also want a fluid version

[ivory shadow]

My thing with curvy pipes is just... if you can arbitrarily connect anywhere, why render stuff at all? Just make it wireless

[devout vault]

The fluid version functions like the thaumcraft essentia pipes

(I don't remember which TC version that was)

[ivory shadow]

It's all magic nonsense at that point anyways

Disconnected from the world of blocks

[devout vault]

I mean, I feel like there'd be a lot less awareness of the mod without the cursed-ness factor being there...

[ivory shadow]

(But also, at least try to make your pipes have right angles.)

[devout vault]

And sometimes you just want to make the most cursed thing imaginable.

[red crest]

sometimes the visuals are the main point

[devout vault]

As an example, I didn't really expect people to the game with Json Shuffle installed

The same goes for Pathos mod PR 631 for april fools 2021, which while mostly a joke, was in fact fully functional.
https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewMods/pull/631

[red crest]

similarly see also: BETAS Harmony patches

[devout vault]

(And could see some legitimate use - like, I feel like all three examples have some legitimate ideas in them)

[cinder karma]

I want to murder svn

[devout vault]

Sory, best that can be done is kill google code

[lethal walrus]

this looks fun https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/hypertubes

[devout vault]

Yeah, I saw that posted on r/feedthebeast when it came out

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/feedthebeast

[marble jewel]

My favorite cursed (imo) pipes were from Modern Industrialization. The developer was really proud of what they had done. Multiple different pipes could occupy the same block, and they made sure that each of them was completely connected between sources.

[safe dragon]

this truly is the minecraft channel

[cyan shadow]

Minecraft off topic

[marble jewel]

It's the same developer who took over for AE2

[devout vault]

Amazing. And more chaotic than the old EnderIO one, and chaos is always a plus

(As long as said chaos doesn't reached the cursed realm, ie. curvy pipes)

[lethal walrus]

how does it decide where in the block things go

[devout vault]

(I typed curby pipes and now I'm imagining a pipe input that picks up dropped items which is just kirby with an open mouth inhaling things...)

[devout vault]

I didn't realize someone took over

[lethal walrus]

vertical create funnels look a lot like that

[marble jewel]

MI is one of my favorite tech mods that I like to play standalone

[devout vault]

But they aren't Kirby. That's the key part

[lethal walrus]

texture pack.

now do i make this

this does sound easy

[ivory shadow]

chaotic pipes: awful
chaotic pipes, with right angles: perfect

[devout vault]

Is MI like a version of the old tech stuff (IC2/thermal/MFR/etc.) but reimagined for modern MC versions?

[lethal walrus]

actually nvm create funnel textures are confusing

[cinder karma]

M1 is metal layer one

Very metal

[devout vault]

New cursed mod idea: You place a Kirby down on a block (like a chest or something tile-entity-y). It mouthful-mode-s it, and you can transport the block to a new location by moving kirby with a lead

Relevant quote I just saw on reddit (thanks JoseMari117) (the context is about fanfiction but that's irrelevant, this still applies):

Chaos isn't a ladder, it's that Mario Kart rainbow race track without gravity or sense of direction.

[marble jewel]

It very much feels like the old tech stuff in that you grind for early materials until you can automate them, only to grind for more advanced materials, so same kind of loop, but the author is very opinionated on how everything plays/feels. There is a mechanical feel to its automation rather than having things happen through some magical/digital method.

[devout vault]

Hmm

[marble jewel]

And you get better automation when you progress from coal to steam to electricity.

I haven't played it in a long time, so I'm sure a lot has changed, but it was fun when I last played through it since automating is the part of Minecraft that I have the most fun with

[devout vault]

The magical/digital method is newer than the stuff I'm thinking of

Or at least it's popularity

The mod page very much makes me think of old school web type stuff with the random colored words for emphasis.

Though I do hate that it's a giant image

[marble jewel]

Taken from their Discord, but this is how their end game can look like

[devout vault]

The problem is, if something like that is in the pack, I be able to continue to avoid using create 😛

[marble jewel]

Oh yeah, this wouldn't be good to combine with Create. It can play nicely with other tech mods, but was built primarily to be playable on its own.

I'd rather have a Create focused playthrough that mostly tries to stick with Create's progression system

[devout vault]

Yeah

[marble jewel]

If you're playing with Create, you gotta have spinning gears or you're doing it wrong

[devout vault]

You mean you don't want to use the create electricity mod? 😛

(I'm not talking about ones that integrate other mod power sources, I'm talking about ones that directly rotational-power devices with electricity)

[marble jewel]

Not unless that electricity is being generated by a giant hamster wheel

[devout vault]

"I'll pay you 16 diamonds to run on the hamster wheel for an hour"

I'm suddenly remembering the pig treadmills for the old Sync mod 😛

[marble jewel]

Is that a thing, that'd be neat if there was a giant hamster wheel and you could trap mobs in it, and entice them to walk with whatever bait

[devout vault]

Be the change you wish to see. Probably after I get my C#-to-Java thing done though, if that ever happens

Throw a creeper in one and put the device in a room full of cats

[marble jewel]

Considering how well Minecraft handles entities and such, I'm sure such a thing would quickly lag the hell out of the server

[devout vault]

I mean, you could convert it to a non-entity once it walks in the device, and only turns back into one after you let it out?

Create already does lots of dynamic moving with rendering so that part isn't really that big of a deal

[marble jewel]

True, in my mind I'd want it to simulate vanilla pathing as much as possible so it seems like the mob is following regular minecraft mechanics

Like attach a lead to a horse, and then entice it with a carrot or something

[devout vault]

Where is there path to on a giant hamster wheel

Unless you're thinking like a hamster ball

[marble jewel]

I mean it's standing in the center of the wheel, keeps wanting to move forward, but the wheel spins and returns it to its original position

[devout vault]

Another crazy idea: You know how balloons and such stay inflated by the air particles inside pushing out on the edges constantly?

Hot air balloon, powered by a balloon full of phantoms

"but that's not how the science really works" well guess what, this is minecraft

[marble jewel]

Happy Ghast is just filled with Phantoms

[devout vault]

...are snowballs phantom larva?

[devout vault]

I feel like if the front/back of the wheel are properly solid, then that would mean the mob would path off the wheel, not forward

Anyways, this is sounding vaguely matrix-y (I say as someone who has never watched any matrix movie)

[marble jewel]

As far as a Create server goes, I'd hope a well-updated modpack exists that has just about everything you'd want

Because I'd rather depend on the testing they do (along with their userbase) than to deal with any of that myself

I used to be part of a pretty big modpack team, and I wouldn't want to keep up on all the stuff they do

[devout vault]

Oh? Which modpack?

[marble jewel]

All of Fabric

[devout vault]

Neat

I never played that one

[red crest]

(AOF7 was my last one, it was good)

[marble jewel]

If you want to run one of their servers, best bet is to wait a week or two after their releases so that you're after everything gets fixed

I think I left them around AOF5

[devout vault]

But no modpacks use Sinytra Connector and Create is a forge mod 😔 (ie. no spectrum)

[red crest]

Create has a fabric version

[devout vault]

But do the important addons

(But I didn't know that, the modrinth page just says forge/neoforge)

[red crest]

the top ones do, yeah

itsl isted under "Create: Fabric"

maybe without the colon idk

ive only ever played Create and create addons on fabric servers

[devout vault]

Small semi-random modrinth annoyance: There's no easy way to see things depending a mod (whether modpack or addon mods).

CurseForge has the dependents view which is nice for finding addon mods

I guess for Create modpacks you'd have to pick something updated since end of February (for 6.0)

And some of those are still on 5.x too

[marble jewel]

Here's a Fabric Create modpack that seems to have gotten updates up until 6 months ago https://modrinth.com/modpack/createandspace/version/3.4

Oh, but not on the latest version

[devout vault]

Yeah Create 6.0 was released end of February is why I said that 😛

And 6.0 stuff is what made me actually interested in trying it instead of still being stuck in create fatigue

[marble jewel]

Otherwise, here is the most up to date Forge-based modpack with Create https://modrinth.com/modpack/create-plus-plus/version/1.1.8

[red crest]

All the Mods 10 is a forge-based modpack with Create

[devout vault]

I find Origins an interesting mod conceptually but I wouldn't like being permanently locked in on world creation, especially since a lot of the intersting ones have big downsides

[devout vault]

I think the idea is one that focuses on create

[marble jewel]

All the Mods sounds like it'll have a lot of mods

I do like my kitchen sink packs, but they lack focus

[devout vault]

It sounds like it might even have all of them! (Let's ignore the tagline where they say they don't)

[red crest]

in my defense, i didnt see this idea said! any server with create in it is a create server to me

[devout vault]

And "all of the mods" is, notoriously, "a lot"

[devout vault]

If I can avoid create it basically doesn't exist in my playthroughs 😛

I just tend towards things that are more familiar

I tried using modpackindex's pack finder with "spectrum and create fabric" and there's only two that have more than 3k downloads. 😛 (And neither have been updated since 6.0 came out)

[red crest]

the quests in the kitchen sink packs tend to provide the right amount of focus for me, so i gravitate towards them (that and bc my partner has much different tastes to me when it comes to what she enjoys doing in minecraft)

[devout vault]

Though Spectrum feels self contained enough it might be fine to just throw in a pack

Unfortunately mod pack index doesn't let you search for packs with mods in a version range

And the API doesn't have a way to search beyond modpack name

[marble jewel]

Another option, seems Create-focused, has good/recent updates, but it's Neoforge based https://modrinth.com/modpack/lets-create

[devout vault]

(Side note, I wish more search systems were more powerful. I want sorting and filtering, why can't I sort by "relevance" but filter out anything older than several months)

[marble jewel]

Modrinth search leaves a lot to be desired

[devout vault]

I see there are some pretty opinionated mods here (like, why is "Blue Netherite" included by default?)

[marble jewel]

Yeah, that's weird. Looks like it's just a texture, but still unnecessary.

[devout vault]

Looks like a fairly light pack relatively speaking.

Which might be a good thing for a general multiplayer server since not everyone has monster computers, I guess

[marble jewel]

It also has the most important client-side optimization mods, so that's good

[devout vault]

I wish any of the launcher had a good mechanism for combining packs.

Like, if you want to add some things to a pack for MP, you have to tell people to manually add them, or export a forked pack manifest (which would make updating the base pack harder).

It'd be nice to say "use this pack, and then merge the mods from this list into it"

[devout vault]

Also, this modpack has no backpacks it looks like, which is an absolute tragedy.

I don't even need backpacks as big as sophisticated backpacks can get

But vanilla is too small

[marble jewel]

You might be able to use something like packwiz to make a private derivate of a pack

Does Create not have any built in mechanism for portable storage?

[devout vault]

Hmm, I don't know.

I would assume if it does that they are more like shulker boxes (ie. you have to place them)

...you know, backpacks kinda make shulker boxes obsolete, don't they

Suddenly I don't like them as much

(Still a lot, but quite as much)

(And they're pretty necessary for big packs regardless)

[marble jewel]

Vanilla has a solution for keeping random items from filling all of your slots with bundles now

[devout vault]

Never heard of that, that looks interesting

[devout vault]

True, but they're so cumbersome to access the items inside them

(Though there are mods to improve that of course)

[red crest]

how do you define "portable storage"

[marble jewel]

Also I keep my crafting table, furnace, and various necessities in a bundle

[red crest]

it has cardboard boxes now, which are like temporary portable storage

[marble jewel]

Bundles and Shulker boxes

[devout vault]

Don't you have to place those

[red crest]

you can just pop em in your hand

[devout vault]

Oh, so they explode their contents into your inventory? Nah

[red crest]

but the box is destroyed in the process

[marble jewel]

I think Bundles and Shulkers do well enough for early/mid game storage, it's just the interface into them that becomes tedious later on

[ivory shadow]

While looking at Create-having modpacks, also keep in mind that a bunch of them still don't have the Create 6 update with the logistics frogs and stuff

[devout vault]

A big problem with shulkers is they're post ender dragon (or just post stronghold if you use the long bridge + ender chest + death trick)

[marble jewel]

How recently would they have to have been updated for that?

[red crest]

as of february ish

assuming they updated to update create

[devout vault]

Yeah, I mentioned this about 6.0 multiple times earlier 😂

[marble jewel]

Simple, just rush the end

[devout vault]

In theory but there's so much more to do with modded packs that that feels a bit more forced.

[safe dragon]

even in vanilla it only takes a few hours

[devout vault]

I can't think of a good solution beyond buffing vanilla shulker boxes and making lite versions pre-end

[marble jewel]

Starter shulker chest for everyone

[devout vault]

Oh, that reminds me

[marble jewel]

There's your backpack

[devout vault]

I hate not playing with keep inventory

[marble jewel]

I can get behind that

I also like to disable fire tick

[devout vault]

Which is doubly important if you only have one shulker box for your backpack until you get to the end 😂

"oops, died in lava, guess I'm backpack-less now"

[safe dragon]

I play with keep inventory, disable fire tick and disable creeper explosion environment damage

[marble jewel]

I also like to reduce the sleeping percent so that not everyone needs to sleep to pass the night

[devout vault]

See, I like disabling creeper explosions, but I don't like all the other changes the mob griefing rule does

Mainly the ones that affect villager farms

[marble jewel]

I use a mod called convenient mob griefing so that certain things can be disabled

[safe dragon]

yeah I don't use the rule

[devout vault]

Vanilla tweaks has data packs for that though

[devout vault]

Yeah. I usually don't bother since I always play SP, but I agree

[devout vault]

(Also ghasts and endermen stealing blocks)

[safe dragon]

oh yes

[marble jewel]

How about lightning, do you mind that? I feel like with fire tick disabled it's not that big of a deal other than when it converts your villagers into witches

[red crest]

ghasts can steal blocks now? what a world

[devout vault]

I didn't know lighting did taht

[devout vault]

They're a tasty snack, why do you think they blow them up

Related mob annoyances, whose bright idea was putting seagulls that steal food into an actual pack. And I say that as someone who made Angry Seagulls for SDV

It's fine if you want to make that mod, but don't enable it in a pack by default unless the theme is suffering (like RLcraft)

[red crest]

that sounds like a mod i would love in a pack /gen

[safe dragon]

if I wanted seagulls to steal my food I'd just go to the beach

[devout vault]

Well MCE2 has it 😛 (I think from Alex's mobs?)

It also has villages getting mad if they catch you stealing from villages apparently... (and there are guards with 200 health in addition to just the occasional iron golem)

I wanted to disable that but couldn't figure out which mod it came from

[marble jewel]

Well if you want torture, then how about just playing Impossible Minecraft

[devout vault]

This one? https://mcmakistein.com/creations/impossible_difficulty

That is on the list of things to try with people for short term play, just for fun. But for actual play? No 😛

(The full list: #programmers-off-topic message )

[marble jewel]

Yup, Mr Makistein himself. I watched the series they had with some Hermitcraft members and a few others.

[devout vault]

Yeah that's the one I watched. Though it was just Gem's single long video, not a series

I heard most of the others did them as actual serieses though

[marble jewel]

Yeah, although Lizzie deleted the series from her channel, and Scar couldn't make it to most of the sessions other than at the beginning and end.

But everyone else has episodes posted on their channels

[devout vault]

Huh, wonder why she deleted it from her channel

Was there another iskall-like situation

[marble jewel]

She got sick or something and couldn't complete it

So she didn't want to leave her viewers on a cliff hanger

[devout vault]

Ah

I don't like the idea but I can see the logic

Meanwhile I'm used to various ethoslab modded series just fading away after a bit 😛

[marble jewel]

Yeah her posting is already sparse as it is, so I just think she's really particular about what gets posted to her channel

[devout vault]

(Both single player ones I think, both terrafirmacraft ones, ...)

[marble jewel]

And it being a complete series from start to finish

I got into all the Life/Hermitcraft stuff from Empires, and originally I only used to watch Pixlriffs

[devout vault]

I never watched any empires stuf. Never even heard of the cross over stuff a while back until recently since Etho didn't do anything there

(I think empires is the one that did crossover stuff?)

[marble jewel]

I highly recommend season 1, but season 2 kind of lost its charm except for the Crossover which was fun

I'm following Lizzie's new series Misadventures with most of the same members of Empires and more

[devout vault]

I basically just watch Etho for minecraft youtube. Occasionally I'll watch another perspective for stuff like the life series for single episodes, but that's it

[safe dragon]

I only found out empires even existed due to the hermitcraft crossover

[ivory shadow]

I have absolutely missed a bunch of messages, and just wanted to make sure it was noted. Sadly work picked up so I had to stop paying super close attention here.

[devout vault]

I saw that, it seems kinda interesting but at least the few people I checked seemed to mainly do it via livestream and not YT series so I didn't bother

[safe dragon]

other than etho I think I've just kinda completely stopped watching Minecraft videos

[marble jewel]

My work has slowed down for the past hour, so I've been able to be distracted

[devout vault]

Wow, is work more important to you than our hypothetical MC server that may or may not happen????????????????????

[marble jewel]

I do wish there was a Fabric Create modpack that was up to date, but it doesn't look like one exists

[ivory shadow]

Pay me to play Minecraft and I'd be happy to prioritize it 😛

[marble jewel]

I'd much rather run a Fabric server

[devout vault]

I haven't seriously played minecraft in at least 5 years, probably signficantly longer, but this whole time I've consistently watched just about every etho episode within a day of it dropping 😛

[devout vault]

If I had that kind of money I would pay myself to do so (along with my other ADHD whims) instead of being stuck with various upcoming things 😛

[devout vault]

I mean, if we're not doing a super heavy modpack, grabbing an optimization-only pack and throwing stuff on top shouldn't be that bad?

[marble jewel]

Mostly as long as it doesn't require any kind of compatibility patches to be added

[safe dragon]

I haven't played minecraft for more than a few days without burning out in like... 12 years?

[devout vault]

That used to be the only way I played MC 😂

[marble jewel]

Which shouldn't be the case if it's solely Create focused

[devout vault]

sneaks in Spectrum whistles innocently

[marble jewel]

You can't really go too wrong with with Fabulously Optimized + a few mods

[devout vault]

Change it to like 10 or 11 and that's almost the case for me too

(I had to look up what updates came out 12 years ago 😛 )

[safe dragon]

it upsets me to figure out how long ago things are

[devout vault]

Oh, 1.6 is 2013

I was active back then but didn't really stop until around when 1.8 came out (2014)

[safe dragon]

brain still does math as if I recently graduated but I've been working for longer than I ever was in university

[devout vault]

Unfortunately Domestication Innovation is forge only so I'd have to not have a cat following me around everywhere

[marble jewel]

I don't remember when I first stopped playing, but it was 1.14 that got me back into the game, and I've skipped updates and gone back a few times since then

[devout vault]

I'd have to be happy with a cat sitting on my shoulder (through Cosmetica) instead

[devout vault]

I've kinda done that some, but never back to the extent of before.

And notably, 1.8 is when I stopped actually making MC mods, too

[ivory shadow]

Are there any cool new mods for exploration? The last time I really played, roguelike dungeons was the new hotness

[devout vault]

So, is there anything like strawpoll, but like, a suggestion box? For people to suggest their preferred mods. (Smaller ones like gliders might could go in automatically, but bigger non-Create ones like spectrum would probably need a consensus)

[devout vault]

I'm sure there are but none I can think off the topic of my head)

[devout vault]

I guess ideally this would be a two stage process, one for suggestions, and another with like a "Yes, neutral, no" for all previous suggestions

[ivory shadow]

Random search just found http://chacy.com/

[marble jewel]

That sounds too complicated. Let’s just do All The Mods and call it a day.

[devout vault]

So much for being create focused? 😛

[devout vault]

Huh, neat

[marble jewel]

Also, rules are too complicated so anarchy?

[devout vault]

And no whitelist, of course, because coordinating that takes effort

[dusty pollen]

are you familiar with the sdv mod ideas repo

[devout vault]

I don't think that has phase two 😛

But good point

[dusty pollen]

you never know! time to ping pathos and ask him /lh

[devout vault]

I imagine everyone here probably has github anyways

Feels weird to create a repo for that purpose though (unless also hosting the pack index file I guess)

[dusty pollen]

I should check that, actually, I've been letting Tia pick up all the moderation slack

[devout vault]

I still get emails for that repo

[dusty pollen]

oh I used to be in a server that had a bot that did this

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6445 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1387202550591127772)

[dusty pollen]

you would submit an idea and the bot would post it in a special channel as an embed with voting buttons

why are you quoting me not doing my part in the mod ideas repo

[devout vault]

Do you know the bot? A separate server for this might be a good idea anyways

Not sure hiding a MC server thread in this channel is the best idea 😛

[dusty pollen]

I'm pretty sure it was literally called Suggestions lmao but let me check

[devout vault]

Who wants the cognitive burden of owning the discord server (and therefore technically being responsible for it)

[cinder karma]

I have no clue what is going on

I've been yelling at people all day

Or software

Yelling at people and software

[dusty pollen]

yup, literally called Suggestions, Casey

[cinder karma]

Once this is done I'm taking a vacation from computers

Literally called Suggestions, Casey

Got it

All suggestions to be forwarded to Casey

[devout vault]

(all suggestions will be redirected to /dev/null)

[dusty pollen]

so you don't want the 8gb memory dump I just got someone to make following a very clear cut memory leak?

[cinder karma]

If you can mail it to me sure

Tbh I'm too old for this

[dusty pollen]

are you paying for the ink

[cinder karma]

My sanity is slipping. I'm so tired

No but I'll pay for a usb drive

[devout vault]

Ink? Just save it to a flash drive

[red crest]

why would you print it with ink

[dusty pollen]

old school mail. Feels more legit

[cinder karma]

Xkcd sneakernet

[red crest]

everyone point and laugh at iro for not owning a laser printer /lh

[cinder karma]

Did I ever mention to you iro

[dusty pollen]

(look it's midnight and I'm tired and I forgot usb sticks existed )

[cinder karma]

That once I worked in a job

[dusty pollen]

same!

[cinder karma]

Where we would mail people their data on hard drives

[red crest]

(tbf, i wasnt thinking digital, i was thinking "that sounds like a job for a laser printer" bc i also didnt think about mailing the usb)

[devout vault]

Also, starting a MC server soon might have problems for anyone who has their eye on stuff for the upcoming steam sale sale in a day or two...

[cinder karma]

I literally said "triangle brackets" today

[devout vault]

(Not me, I'm probably not buying anything this time 😛 )

[dusty pollen]

(don't you already own like the entire steam store )

[cinder karma]

What's a steam sale

[devout vault]

The real play is to laser etch each page on sheets of metal

Wood will do in a pinch

[safe dragon]

[devout vault]

...is this one real or a joke

[safe dragon]

sale, on steam

[cinder karma]

A middle of both, casey

I literally said the words "triangle brackets" today

[devout vault]

Specifically, one of the bigger seasonal sales

[cinder karma]

They are angle brackets ofc

[cinder karma]

There is a level of exhausted I am

Where if it isn't the exact thing I care about at the moment

I kick it out of my brain

[dusty pollen]

so yes

[cinder karma]

Rn my brain has three issues in it

[devout vault]

I think your math is off

[cinder karma]

Of which steam is not one

[devout vault]

I don't even own half a percent of the games on steam

[dusty pollen]

tbf I think 0.25% of steam isn't unimpressive

[devout vault]

And that's not counting DLC!

[cinder karma]

I own literally one steam game and don't intend on owning another

[devout vault]

(Since you said the entire steam store, not all games on steam)

[dusty pollen]

sometimes I'm not sure if you intend on owning a computer

[cinder karma]

The general consensus is

Maybe atra can play factorial

[devout vault]

Humble bundle prime was an interesting time.

To be honest I probably have at least a couple hundred not redeemed from humble monthly.

[cinder karma]

Shenzhen is not of interest to close to work

Also tbh casey

I like to pretend game devs swap steam keys the way knitting pattern designers do their patterns

Anyways. Iro, if I ever get a knitting pattern out I will give you a free copy

Let's see

[devout vault]

I have some games sitting in my inventory for eons, do you want checks notes Little Racers STREET, or Minion Masters?

(Or three guest passes for this one other game, for some reason)

[cinder karma]

Space game is fun

Possible choice for atra

[devout vault]

Which space game

Kerbal?

[dusty pollen]

anyway on a more serious note about the memory dump, it's an online friend of mine who doesn't need urgent help or anything, I actually just asked them to make the dump file in case you were still interested in looking into memory leaks, so there's absolutely no pressure if you don't have time/don't feel like it

[cinder karma]

Cities skylines is definitely atra material but atra doesn't have the computer for it

[devout vault]

Is CS1 really that intensive?

[cinder karma]

Maybe eventually! But not this or next week

[devout vault]

I know CS2 is, but like, CS2 is trash from what I understand

(Or at least was on initial release)

[cinder karma]

I hear terrarium is fun but also I don't own a controller so

[ivory shadow]

I bought a 3090 for playing Cities. Because 24GB of vram sounded useful

[dusty pollen]

(they went from 4.6GB in use to just over 8GB over the course of a few hours, and in a previous play through got to 10GB lmao)

[ivory shadow]

I had... a number of mods

[dusty pollen]

you guys make me feel like I'm atra

[devout vault]

Terrarium or Terraria?

[cinder karma]

See, cities seems like it would be my type of game if I played games

Oh! And Microsoft flight sim but I don't know what you need for that

[dusty pollen]

idk anything about any of these games and I don't think that will change any time soon

[cinder karma]

I would loveeeeee to fly a plane in a sim

[cinder karma]

Later

[devout vault]

If I remember which steam friend is you correctly, you do have some other games on your wishlist technically. 😛

It also says you own one game but the page shows you owning none, which is confusing

[devout vault]

Terraria doesn't require a controller. It didn't even support it originally (and in my opinion is worse with one)

[red crest]

terraria is far from a controller game

[ivory shadow]

Are you sure you're not atra? How do you feel about svn? Knitting? Maintaining mods for 1.6?

[cinder karma]

Iro knits

[dusty pollen]

never tried it, know how to do it but don't do it nearly as much as atra, what's 1.6

[devout vault]

Wait, am I 2/3 atra

[dusty pollen]

never heard of her

[cinder karma]

We gotta teach casey to knit

[dusty pollen]

I finished cc in 1.4, got perfection in 1.5, and... got one season into 1.6

[devout vault]

(There is no common theme to the four games on atra's wish list)

[cinder karma]

You may post the names because I've forgotten them

[red crest]

atra having 100% OJ on there absolves them of anything ive ever accused them of

[dusty pollen]

wdym there's no connection. this is just a guide on roleplaying as atra

[devout vault]

When I say "no common theme" I meant that incredibly literally. The only common tag is Multiplayer

[cinder karma]

Someone probably told me about it before

[red crest]

(ive actually not played it much, but i think its quite fun)

[cinder karma]

I forgot what 100% orange juice is

[devout vault]

...what have you accused them of?

[red crest]

being a modder

[cinder karma]

Terrible coder

Horrific

[devout vault]

Having it on your wishlist makes you not a modder?

[cinder karma]

Really doesn't need the string builder cache

[red crest]

im not saying atra isnt

im just saying theyre absolved of guilt

[devout vault]

It's a mario party type thing, I think, maybe???

[red crest]

its like granting immunity

[devout vault]

Ah

[red crest]

still did the crime

its mario party but no minigames and instead you roll dice

for battles

[dusty pollen]

speaking of granting immunity

I'm gonna sleep now

[devout vault]

What, but minigames are half the fun

[red crest]

and each character (there are like fuckin 150 of them or smth) has their own traits

oh and cards

deckbuilder lite mario party

[devout vault]

...that's a lot. Are the traits just stat differences?

[red crest]

stats, special unique cards, abilities that affect dice rolls, etc

[cinder karma]

It's funny because I haven't seen the list myself in years

Ie, Microsoft flight sim isn't on it

[devout vault]

And neither is cities skylines, nor kerbal

Clearly you're the one that needs to clean their wishlist up, not me and my 643 entries

[cinder karma]

I'll also add iro's favorite card game

[devout vault]

looks at 100% OJ DLC list

Uh... maybe I'll pass on that

[cinder karma]

Cities is because Elizabeth plays it

Let's see.

[devout vault]

Which one is that? Balatro?

[cinder karma]

Yup

My ex boss plays civilization

[devout vault]

Are you adding games just because friends like them

What about meeeeeeeeeee

[cinder karma]

You can suggest things!!!

[devout vault]

Hmm, I'll go with CrossCode

No idea if it's one you'd like though 😛

It's real time combat, but so is Terraria, so...

[red crest]

oh i was definitely not recommending anyone buy it. but i got it for free and have bought no DLC and enjoyed the few games ive played with friends in the small hours of the morning when we were way too tired. if you can recreate those circumstance,s sure

[devout vault]

(Also lots of puzzles for getting through the dungeons)

[tranquil grove]

I'm always surprised by the new dlc notifs for that, since it's been, uh

[devout vault]

Is it a bad game?

[cinder karma]

I'll add that!

[red crest]

its not bad! but its not the first party game id choose

CrossCode is made with Javascript are you sure you wanna touch it

[cinder karma]

Tbh what I really really want is to fly a flight sim

Not the like

Game version

The pilot training version

[devout vault]

There is no javascript in the end user experience

But yeah that's a big reason why I haven't made mods for it 😛

[cinder karma]

I wanna do a visual approach into runway 5L with one engine on fire

[devout vault]

If only the MP mod was still updated for it...

[red crest]

unless the end user knows about it, then you have to consider the psychological experience

i say this as someone who likes javascript

[tranquil grove]

I've seen someone having fun with a recent port of a star wars x-wing game recently, but I imagine it's very much not a Real Flight Sim

[devout vault]

There's not a lot of these for PC to begin with 😛

Like, there's pummel party which is kinda jank (at least with <4 player since most maps want more than that), and uh... what else?

[cinder karma]

I'm amused at all the different non sdv discord tags

[tranquil grove]

emulating mario party

[devout vault]

Squadrons? I still need to try that with a VR headset

[devout vault]

...yeah.........

[tranquil grove]

maybe, I never got to play any of them back in the day, just some kinda x-wing one

[red crest]

i just dont wanna be responsible for someone buying 100% OJ and being disappointed in their purchase! im just tempering expectations

its a fun game, but a pretty basic one, but has a lot of characters

it does go on saale quite a lot for quite steep though

at $0.75 id say its worth a shot

[devout vault]

The fun part about recommendation is the person still has to buy it themself, so you're not really responsible unless you forced them to 😛

[tranquil grove]

(checking bluesky, they've been exclusingly referring to it as XWing)
ah, found it, "XWVM" as an upscale/emulator/idk for "Star Wars X-Wing Special Edition"

[devout vault]

I wonder what the game + all DLC cost will be when the steam sale starts soon 😛

[red crest]

it is very fun to have one of your friends get their ass kicked by a seagull repeatedly bc the seagull rolls better than them

not so fun for them though

[devout vault]

Looks like the "everything" bundle usually is about ~$65 when on sale, which I suppose isn't terrible if you know you like the game already

(thanks steamdb)

[red crest]

a lot of it is music too though which is kinda pointless

its like 90% characters though, 2 per DLC. and i think 2 are free every week or something? maybe? its been years since i last played it

i doubt anyone would ever enjoy or even play once every character if they bought the DLC

[devout vault]

I saw something about the free thing in a review

[red crest]

unless you did singleplayer mode, i guess..

[cinder karma]

Anyways

What else

Casey, you know about a knitting game

[devout vault]

I only saw like three listed as song packs.

[devout vault]

I haven't heard of one

[cinder karma]

Tbh the actual thing if I were to play a game would be playing Runescape with Jessie anyways so

Lol

But who has the time and energy

[devout vault]

😛

[cinder karma]

The second I get some free time I have more obligations

[hardy jewel]

There's quite a few places you can do that in some parts of Australia and Asia

You can rent out a booth for an hour or two

[tranquil grove]

racking my brain for knitting games
...ultima online

[devout vault]

I don't think atra is in australia or asia

Seeing as they visited me recently

[devout vault]

...what

[hardy jewel]

holiday time, specifically for the flight sim

[devout vault]

(Clearly, we need to make Knitting Mama (cooking mama but knitting))

[tranquil grove]

well, you could shear sheep and make wool and make clothes from it and wear them
there wasn't much of a point, gameplay-wise, but I did it a lot

[devout vault]

Was it like an actual knitting minigame, or just a generic crafting thing.

Because if the latter, I don't think that counts. Otherwise we get into territory like stardew's tailoring machine 😛

[tranquil grove]

no, very much a "have wool in inventory and double-click a loom to Make Cloth" or some such

it's been literal decades and there were some non-functional knitting items that came to mind, but I don't think they mattered, and it's a very old game

[devout vault]

Steam tells me these games in my library are knitting games:

I kinda don't like how steam puts things you haven't played at the year you acquired them instead of actually last played.

I have never played hollow knight, why isn't that under no recorded activity

[tranquil grove]

imagining some poor sheep having a lightsaber levitating around to shear it

[devout vault]

Also jedi academy literally has 15 hours of playtime (mainly with my brothers), what is going on

And KOTR1 has 35, meanwhile KOTR2 has none

(The top one is KOTR2, apparently)

[ivory shadow]

That's way more knitting games than me I only have Portal Knights on my Steam account

[devout vault]

If I search for "knitting" instead of "knit" nothing appears.

Clearly, these games feature knit items, but no actual knitting mechanics

(The funny thing is, when I search "knit", it shows no results but then I guess resorts to misspelling detection to show the other stuff)

[tranquil grove]

same, surprisingly
I have those jedi games but only on discs

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, me too. I saw no need to repurchase them on Steam.

[devout vault]

You know what game I enjoyed back during disc days, but didn't once I got it on steam much later?

Star Wars Empire at War

[hardy jewel]

(@cinder karma https://sydney.flightexperience.com.au/experiences/airliner-experience for if you ever come to sydney)

[ivory shadow]

I used to be an absolute fiend for real time strategy games.

[devout vault]

RTSs are fun until you play with the online community

[ivory shadow]

Kind of lost my taste for them around StarCraft 2

For exactly that reason

[devout vault]

And get curbstomped into the nether

[ivory shadow]

I hated the rock paper scissors nature of most matches, lol

[tranquil grove]

I'm terrible with RTS, never looked into that E@W one iirc

[devout vault]

My older brother beat me no matter what team he played with. 😛 (I only tried terran because I was using the free version)

[ivory shadow]

Why waste time building up resources and your base and stuff when you can just rush one of like 3 strats and either win or lose in 2 minutes

[tranquil grove]

(I probably spent a total of like 10,000 hours in starcraft + WC3, but only for custom maps)

[cinder karma]

Ooh! Maybe I'll visit new Zealand too

[devout vault]

I recall one match, terran vs terran, he mostly destroyed me and then marched his army to where my base was (like, where the map puts your first one) and he was like "what the heck where are you".

I used the flying buildings thing to move all my stuff that was left over to one of the corner islands that could onlyt be accessed via flight

[cinder karma]

I have a planned trip to China in November

I need to make it out to Denmark next year

[devout vault]

(And of course, memories of how annoying him playing as zerg was 😛 )

[cinder karma]

When did I turn into the person who travels

[devout vault]

To be fair I think he did play online some

[ivory shadow]

My time spent on RTS, ranked, is probably something like:

1. Age of Empires 2
2. StarCraft
3. Rise of Nations
4. Age of Empires
5. Empire Earth
6. Star Wars: Empire at War
7. probably somethign I forgot idk
8. StarCraft 2

[cinder karma]

Let's see

What else could atra possibly play

[devout vault]

The steam version of cookie clicker? 😛

[cinder karma]

No

Cookie clicker isn't fun if you don't cheat

[devout vault]

I need to eat, guess I should walk away from the computer ong enough to throw in my microwave

[devout vault]

Many people will disagree with you on that.

[ivory shadow]

I miss Rise of Nations. Felt more like Age of Empires 3 to me than actual AoE3, which I did not care for.

[cinder karma]

Throw in your microwave?

[tranquil grove]

there's Fields of Mistria, i.e. stardew again
(peeking at my steam library; I got it as a gift and haven't gotten around to trying it)

[cinder karma]

I have other interests

City planning.

Programming

[devout vault]

I'm waiting for it to come out of EA

(And, you know, my ADHD to be slightly tamed)

[cinder karma]

Watching pilots on YouTube

Baking

Electronics

[tranquil grove]

they did a Second Big Update a while back and I was tempted to check it out, but yeah, haven't managed yet

[ivory shadow]

New game idea: city programming. You have to write a bot that builds and manages a city.

[devout vault]

One EA game I still want to play is Necesse (especially after the graphics update)

[devout vault]

...screeps?

(kinda)

[cinder karma]

Maybe I should take a page out of @leaden marsh 's book and fix electronics

[devout vault]

I seem to have left out the word "food"

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking of

[devout vault]

I still want to get back into electronics for my custom phone idea 😛

And maybe custom controller

And maybe steam deck but like not so stinkin' heavy

[tranquil grove]

oh, I did play "The Farmer Was Replaced" early this year, which is "control a farming drone with javascript"
fun will vary by whether you like js
(edit after randomly remembering this a month later: it's actually python-based)

[devout vault]

(Or I could just get one of those monitor-glasses and hook it up to that and use joycons for controllers, since the whole point is to play in bed without holding up above me)

[cinder karma]

Watch out

[tranquil grove]

context: cacti won't let you harvest them unless you sort them by size

[cinder karma]

My coworker gave me a sourdough starter

[devout vault]

wha

Are these cacti omniscient in terms of the size of all existing cacti

[tranquil grove]

they just die/explode/idk if you harvest them while a smaller one is up or right of them, iirc

[cinder karma]

Lol

[devout vault]

Oh

[ivory shadow]

This immediately made me think of https://www.rxddit.com/r/minecraftseeds/comments/henko3/recordbreaking_20_block_tall_cactus_found_by/

[devout vault]

That seems more reasonable

[devout vault]

If not for the comment about the seed and stuff, this would very much be an r/untrustworthypoptarts situation (how is that subreddit name not past the character limit?)

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/untrustworthypoptarts

[devout vault]

Also reminds of a bug in a mod I was using while making my sponge mod

[cinder karma]

What's for dinner

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-meme-shrek-good-question-good-question-gif-7176451729184982026

[cinder karma]

I had baked chicken and veggies

[ivory shadow]

Southwest chicken salad.

[sand frost]

I’m still deciding but it started with a smoothie

[devout vault]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HylTafcm7U
You'll see what I'm talking about pretty quickly.

[cinder karma]

Described it to my coworker (different coworker) as "what happens when I don't feel like cooking.

[sand frost]

It’s too Damn Hot out

[cinder karma]

(I cooked all this on Sunday)

Yeshhhhhhh

Classical, lol.

The oven was...unwise

Blasted myself with steam too

Alright

Time to exercise

Well

First I shall feed the starter

[sand frost]

I made fish on the stove yesterday so that we didn’t have to oven

[cinder karma]

I also cut my hair off last night and it's sooo nice to have short hair

[ivory shadow]

This video takes me back to the days before they fixed water flowing back into an area with a depth of multiple blocks, and I do not like it.

[cinder karma]

Should I play cities skylines

[ivory shadow]

Yes.

[cinder karma]

If my computer was purchased in 2016 and has integrated graphixs

[quick hare]

Maybe

[tranquil grove]

I don't remember it being an intensive game and it's been out for ~a while~, but I've yet to play it, so

[ivory shadow]

It's a bit intensive.

It has some optimization issues.

There are actually some mods that help with optimization.

[tranquil grove]

fair enough, I'm not sure what all it simulates/visualizes

aside from knowing people get mad about traffic, simcity-style

[ivory shadow]

Dumb stuff like... every single in game object having a UI node attached that does nothing but still gets updated. Thanks Unity. 😄

[cinder karma]

Got it

No cities for atra

Tbh realistically

[sand frost]

Maybe not tbh but my 2020 MacBook Pro could handle it for at least 45 minutes

[cinder karma]

Atra should take night classes on urban planning

[sand frost]

And Steam definitely told me it was a bad idea

[tranquil grove]

going through my steam playtime, I'm realizing most stuff I like runs pretty badly
everything's either a janky simulation or monster hunter/dark souls/all that

[ivory shadow]

I should say that Cities is almost always CPU bound rather than GPU bound... but I doubt that'd be the case with integrated graphics.

[cinder karma]

Or maybe I should learn the new katseye dance

It's a regret of mine that I don't have enough real life friends to do any katseye dance with me

[devout vault]

(Oh, 1.0 has been announced??? (October 9th))

They're changing from the island system to infinite world....

[cinder karma]

I wonder what video games pathos plays

Like I mentioned before - I used to believe game devs exchanged steam codes among yourselves

And that was where pathos got his

[devout vault]

I think he's mentioned one or two on this server before, and I'm aware of another recent example (unsure if mentioned on this server or not)

[tranquil grove]

I mean, they should

[devout vault]

I wouldn't be surprised if indie ones do

[tranquil grove]

(but my vague impression was that pathos just Makes Stuff whenever he's off work )

kind of a theme around here anyway

[ivory shadow]

(My vague impression is Pathos has the ability to self-clone because that's way too much stuff to maintain otherwise.)

[devout vault]

Still not sure how Pathos gets all he does done between work, modding stuff, and CA contracting stuff (admitedly that largely falls under modding stuff).

There's a reason we've joked for ages that Pathos is an AI (since pre-LLM nonsense)

And Pathos has even said he's an AI on this server, so...

[ivory shadow]

That's exactly what someone with superpowers who isn't an AI would say to throw you off their trail

[cinder karma]

Tbh I kinda get it

[devout vault]

...seemingly completely unrelated (there was a train of thought in my head, I promise)... what keeps Star Trek transporters from cloning people in-universe. There's literally been examples of accidentally merging (and intentional unmerging) people in Voyager, and accidentally keeping people in a transporter stasis over many years in TNG (I think it was TNG?).

[cinder karma]

I've had coworkers ask me how the hell I manage to have so many hours in my day

[devout vault]

To be fair, there have been multiple times people have been baffled by how fast I can make stardew mod stuff

[ivory shadow]

Law? Policy?

I don't like sci-fi teleporters, they're way too weird to me. Give me stable wormholes instead.

[devout vault]

You know, the most universal and notorious thing about crime is that they aren't really stopped by it being against the law

Yeah if we get teleporters IRL I'd refuse to use them if they are the destroy+reconstruct kind. Only the folding space kind for me

Even ignoring stuff going wrong, we simply do not and cannot know if there's something like a soul

[ivory shadow]

I'm just saying that, based on what I know of the setting, there's no reason they couldn't clone people if not for some kind of law against it? And it seems like the sort of law that society would have.

[devout vault]

True, but like, the Federation isn't the only place out there. And even the Federation isn't foolproof (like the infiltration by those alien worm things in TNG, and that thing I saw on the wiki at some point about a division for dirty work that doesn't exist on paper)

[ivory shadow]

Honestly though I've never been big into Trek. Or even that big into Wars, though I like Wars more. Gate is more my Star of choice.

[tranquil grove]

a game I enjoyed went into that a bit, where only one anarchist faction uses teleporters because of cloning issues and it's illegal elsewhere
the one member you talk to is like "yeah there's a 1% chance it fails to dismantle the old body, so we each pick whether we prefer to shoot the old us or the new us"

[devout vault]

That would be a funny poll to post somewhere with no context. If it's just "which do you prefer? A. Gates B. Wars. C. Treks" people wouldn't catch on until the third one most likely

[cinder karma]

None of this makes sense to me

Why not just clone people

StarGates?

[tranquil grove]

something something The Soul in a lot of cases

[cinder karma]

The soul doesn't exist. Next question

[devout vault]

Yeah. Even ignoring religion, we simply cannot know if there's stuff outside our physical reality tethered to our physical existence (at least as far as current understanding goes)

[cinder karma]

(I got the idea because that is how knitwear design works.)

[tranquil grove]

(in that game I mentioned, they claim it's just impractical to let people clone themselves + they tend to fight a lot)

[cinder karma]

The fanfiction I read says okay i can't make that joke here

I'm so so sorry

[ivory shadow]

Anyways, if you want a real reason why no one in Trek went crazy with a replicated clone army, just blame the Qs because it's clearly the writers' choice. Because you can absolutely clone people with one. It happened in the series. Just not en masse or on purpose that I am aware of.

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Sourdough starter time

Then backtrsck to the gym

Then sleep and do it all over again tomorrow

[devout vault]

Also, there's that tech in the most recent anime season in SAO, where part of it is that cloning people's minds causes the clone to basically collapse once they realize it.

Barring the one exception shown at the end (more as a potential future plot point, or maybe not just "potential" in the source material by now)

[tranquil grove]

I could also see it being framed as a scarcity issue, like it's really hard to keep a full tank of human mats if you don't use the outgoing bodies for rare molecules or w/e

[ivory shadow]

(I mean the ships have no problems replicating tons of other organic matter...)

[cinder karma]

You reached the print quota esca

[devout vault]

I don't know specifically what joke you mean but I do recall a specific "philosophical" question (of a NSFW sort) with the concept in general. 😛

[cinder karma]

You need to pay 22 cents per page now

[ivory shadow]

I knew it. We can't clone people because we need to replace the cyan ink cartridge

[tranquil grove]

idk much about Trek world-building but they do seem to have a lot of things

[devout vault]

I don't know enough about how transporter/replicator works in-universe to comment on this

[tranquil grove]

flashbacks to printing 200-page dos game manuals in college, nobody cared to keep tabs

[cinder karma]

Khloe, esca. Neither of y'all have discord tags

Casey's KAR

[devout vault]

Oh true. You have to adopt the discord tribalism innovations, it's required

[cinder karma]

Mine is knitting

[tranquil grove]

the modder puffer is close enough for me

[devout vault]

So pick the SDV server tag

[tranquil grove]

but it's not the puffer

[ivory shadow]

I'll be honest, I am not a big fan of the tags.

[devout vault]

How have I not seen this emote. 12/10

[tranquil grove]

it's a very good one

[ivory shadow]

It's the emote from this server I use the most out of this server.

[tranquil grove]

and recent as far as maincord goes

[ivory shadow]

It's peak

[devout vault]

It definitely seems pointless at best. But why would I miss an opportunity to put KAR envangelism next to every message I send anywhere

[cinder karma]

I like seeing the random servers people pick

[tranquil grove]

(I may start using this one from my friend's group chat, but eh, haven't decided)

[cinder karma]

Servers that exist only for the tag

Private servers

Ransom

[devout vault]

Yeah it's interesting seeing ones like yours that just say private server when clicked on

[cinder karma]

It what

[devout vault]

(And because I'm on compact mode, I can't see the text usually, except rare cases like when replying to someone)

[cinder karma]

Okay, mine goes to stitch cord

The knitting discord.

[quick hare]

I am so tempted to go join that

[tranquil grove]

I did assume as much

[devout vault]

(As an example)

[quick hare]

Kinda itching to make socks again

[devout vault]

And clicking it doesn't show the text either, just the server profile (or lack thereof for cases like atra)

It's tragic

[cinder karma]

Socks are fun!

[devout vault]

Clicking a person's profile seems to though

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[quick hare]

Right?

[devout vault]

actually going to get food now, like I said I really needed an hour ago

[cinder karma]

Clearly the correct thing to do is to:

1. Take night classes on urban planning
2. Get really into it
3. ????
4. Look you already know it will go nowhere

[tranquil grove]

simply acquire a city to plan

[cinder karma]

1. Get into sourdough

[quick hare]

Mmm

[cinder karma]

2. Acquire the sourdough personality

[quick hare]

Feed it

[cinder karma]

3. Wander away from the internet forever

[quick hare]

I mean, that tracks xD

[ivory shadow]

My pipeline was more

1. Be super into infrastructure
2. See a video of someone playing Cities
3. Binge watch like 100 hours of Cities content
4. Buy the game
5. Spend a further hundred plus hours doing my best to build an incredible city
6. Get sad when the game engine starts lagging to much to keep building on the city, and move on

[cinder karma]

I just need enough irl friends to do a katseye dance

This is important to me

[devout vault]

I think one of my family friends does city planning

[devout vault]

I've been meaning to play it - even bought the game. NEver have though, and only youtube videos I've seen of it are the insane ones from valefisk (I think that was the youtuber's name, I don't think I'm subscribed)

[cinder karma]

I love watching that one dude who redesigns roads into roundabouts

[ivory shadow]

Biffa?

[cinder karma]

Streetcraft shorts

https://youtube.com/shorts/YWQyzDzABPY?si=-1jUAbku8-fwXdU1

[ivory shadow]

Ah. Redesigning roads into roundabouts made me think of a guy who makes tons of "fixing your city's traffic" videos where people send him a Cities save and he messes with roads, and he almost always puts in a roundabout, and talks about them a lot, lol

[cinder karma]

See, Khloe

I'm roundabout pilled

I want to see them and diverging diamonds irl

[tranquil grove]

counterpoint: if the chicago area gets any more roundabouts, I will cry

[devout vault]

My mom hates roundabouts

[tranquil grove]

I'm very bad at knowing when to go or yield

[devout vault]

I didn't realize there were many, having never driven here 😛

[cinder karma]

Esca please look at that intersection

[tranquil grove]

I don't think the city itself does them much, but I don't do city driving either, just the general area

[tranquil grove]

I do like the "please just use 90-degree angles" part, but I need traffic lights to function

(and also the "trim a few lanes off" part might drastically congest things for all I know)

[worn remnant]

i like roundabouts, but i don't particularly like two-lane ones

(all the ones i encounter regularly are two lanes)

[tranquil grove]

ftr I guess all the roundabouts I have to use are small and high-traffic, so it's kinda like a worse 4-way stop sign intersection

[devout vault]

(Watching this and seeing some of the names I've seen before with a steve skin is funny - I assume from using a model with thin arms in newer versions, so the old versions don't see it since they only have the default arms)

For high traffic areas a roundabout seems terrible, you could be stuck waiting for a while (relatively speaking)

...or do ones with traffic lights exist?

Seems to kinda defeat the point if so

[tranquil grove]

yeah, the main one that comes to mind was a strangely wide 4-way intersection at an angle, with stoplights
then they just put a big raised circle in the middle & took out the lights

I guess they can have lights, but yeah, it stops being a yield thing

sloppy google maps updates provide a before/after

(it's just weirdly busy here all day)
(also those weren't stop signs at some point)

[cinder karma]

We're chatty today

I better shut up before I get more fabulous

[worn remnant]

the US has these and sometimes calls them "traffic circles". they are just the worst

[devout vault]

Also I'm just realizing that there are people playing minecraft who are younger than the nether.

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

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I had both a roundabout and a clover on my commute for years

I liked the roundabout

Efficient. Fast

I was terrified of thr clover

Nearly got run over twice

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I do like the idea of doing road magic so nobody has to stop, but it gets disorienting

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I think I've seen a couple (though I don't think while driving).

...actually there's a time I did one that I was driving, but I can't recall where and if it was real or if that is just one of the incredibly rare abnormally mundane dreams I've had

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and/or uses a ridiculous # of lanes

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They're great when they replace four way stops

I can just roll through

Ours in Durham was perfect

Traffic flowed through it

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They put one in a newish shopping area and it has completely confused everyone. They just go whatever way they want…

Never mind there are signs with arrows

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Smh