programmers-off-topic

[cyan shadow]

Because to me that is a consumer protection nightmare

[cinder karma]

Anyways.

"Hey if you want your bug fixed earlier pay up" is an old open source technique

[devout vault]

(Hoppers would be great for early Stardew automation, for not needing to unlock qi gems 😛 )

[cinder karma]

And tbh not one I'm against

[devout vault]

Yeah. I suspect there will be more details once it comes out, but going ahead and charging before they are details is bizarre

[cyan shadow]

It's scummy tbh

[cinder karma]

Yeah, is it gonna be a package on top of the service (which is fine)

Especially if they are working only off public apis anyone can

[cyan shadow]

This is one thing

"Pay up to feed me but you don't know what you're paying for yet" is shite

[cinder karma]

(Feels unlikely)

[crystal wren]

Then we fall into the game with launch DLC situation, though. If charging for extras wasn't normalised, would this content have just been included in the base or not?

[cinder karma]

If they are gonna kneecap the original (ie, enjoy this intentional lag unless you pay us) that would be scummy

[cinder karma]

I'm the most capitalism in this channel because imo if the base game is complete on launch I don't hate dlc

[crystal wren]

• 16.6~ frame time cap unlock with premium!

[cinder karma]

Plz, 180hz or death

"Atra, you're running through vnc?" "I don't care!"

[devout vault]

Regular reminder that programming (and technology in general) is basically magic

[cinder karma]

"Will I buy it?" "No, I don't usually buy games."

Every now and then someone jokes about electrons not being able to go around corners too fast lol

[steel kraken]

FOSS is free as in freedom, not free as in beer

[crystal wren]

I could charge you $100 for a build of the Linux kernel!

[steel kraken]

iirc RHEL aint cheap

[crystal wren]

I don't think I want to know what those licenses actually cost.

[cinder karma]

Lol yeah

Iirc they are per core too

[cinder karma]

I also fly frontier

[cyan shadow]

I know but it's also used in the context of beer atp

[cinder karma]

Ie - I will take the Frontier discount knowing they njckle and dime for everything

[devout vault]

What. Is that a thing?

[cinder karma]

Nottttt really but kinda?

[crystal wren]

Is it to do with like... too tight of a bend screwing with the "grain" of the metal or something?

[devout vault]

I mean I guess it sorta makes sense in a world that doesn’t have discrete frames it runs on like a video game (gotta have some velocity analogue), but still is not something I would have expected

[cinder karma]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance_matching

[cyan shadow]

(Also, I am admittedly scrambled rn so take me with a pinch of salt)

[cinder karma]

No, your model of capacitance and inductance assume a flat infinite strip

[steel kraken]

there is the planke time and planke distance or whatever iirc, so in a way there are discrete frames

[cinder karma]

A turn changes those numbers

[devout vault]

Science Wikipedia scares me

[cyan shadow]

My main complaint with hyprland premium is that you're charging for features that haven't even been implemented yet, so no one knows what they are

[cinder karma]

So if you turn too sharp, the electrons see a change in capacitance

[crystal wren]

I like the Planke spelling of Planck.

Sounds more fun to say.

[cinder karma]

Which in impedance marched world is a discontinuity in the line

And why i super respect good pcb talent

[steel kraken]

I couldn't be bothered looking it up and adding an extra e was close enough to ensure it wasn't interepreted as plank

[cinder karma]

They want the true fans

[devout vault]

I don’t know enough about the latter, but I feel like with distance it still wouldn’t be a “grid” since distances usually go in any direction, not just cardinal ones

[cinder karma]

Ie, how many youtubers have patrons

[devout vault]

Anyways, time to go have a simulation theory existential crisis /s

[devout vault]

Is this why pcbs aren’t just cardinal directions but often have those slants? Or is that just for less distance traveled

[cinder karma]

Like, the joke is funny, but technically it's the frequency of the signal the electrons are traveling at the same (mostly) speed lol

[cinder karma]

The slants are due to how fr4 works

[steel kraken]

ok yeah it was planck length is the OG one about shortest distance, and planck time is derived from speed of light travelling a planck length in a vaccum

[cinder karma]

Fr4 is fiber glass and has fibers

[devout vault]

I love knowing just enough science to make funny but inaccurate jokes about it

[cinder karma]

And you can feel the capacitance of those fibers

So you go a 14 degree angle to reduce that effect

Or pay Panasonic lol

[devout vault]

Ah, so: 1. No grid 2. Planck time isn’t intrinsic but just derived, so if we fine a way to break Planck distance or the speed of light it’ll be meaningless

Considering how much science changes I wouldn’t be schooled to find out we figure out how to do one or both of those one day. assuming the world doesn’t end first but you know

[steel kraken]

I mean we know how to change the speed of light and do it all the time by manipulating the medium its in, just not in a vaccum

[devout vault]

I don’t count that

That’s just d&d difficult terrain

[steel kraken]

experimental physics and by extension engineering has to catch up to the madness that theoretical physics have been talking about

[devout vault]

+you can only slow it down not speed it up with the medium method right?

Like, I mean “surpassing the universal speed limit” breakage.

I’m not saying I necessarily expect it happen, just saying I wouldn’t be shocked if it did one day

[devout vault]

Nothing new there. Even when it does catch up, that just gives theoretical physics more data to speed back ahead with 😛

[cinder karma]

The speed of light in vacuum being a constant is trippy

[devout vault]

Getting hungry, guess I shouldn't pretend I'll go back to sleep anymore

[cinder karma]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskPhysics/comments/two5vu/what_does_the_speed_of_light_actually_have_to_do/

[steel kraken]

iirc its currently an unsolved question as to whether the speed of light in a vaccum is even a single number, we only know the speed of light going back and forth / 2 is c

there isn't a known experiment to actually measure speed of light in a singular direction

[devout vault]

…?

Is a laser and sensor not sufficient

[steel kraken]

any clock being used to transfer information uses the same speed of light calculation

[cinder karma]

There is

Uh, it's not double slit

It's the x-y ether experiment

[devout vault]

I guess that doesn’t help for if it’s the same in different parts of the universe though. Like, what if it’s slightly different in andromeda or something (even accounting for relativity).

Might be impossible from a theoretical standpoint, but the fun point about theoretical stuff is it sometimes breaks down with new unaccounted circumstances

[safe dragon]

there's a veritasium video about how the single way speed of light can't be measured I think

[cinder karma]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelson–Morley_experiment

[steel kraken]

yup

[devout vault]

Do they account for those of us who aren’t science/math nerds when explaining

[steel kraken]

one of the last I watched before giving up on his channel

[safe dragon]

it's veritasium

so yes

[cinder karma]

The speed of light being constant is like

[devout vault]

Why give up? Quality deterioration?

[cinder karma]

Okay I have to watch this because I thought the canonical experiment for this was the one I linked above

[steel kraken]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTn6Ewhb27k

[cinder karma]

Michelson Morley

Oh that

Okay yeah no

[safe dragon]

veritasium has made its fair share of not so well regarded science videos I believe

[steel kraken]

more and more clickbait and exgaggerations causing more and more subject matter experts having to do rebuttals

[cinder karma]

We cannot send information faster than the speed of light isn't the same as we haven't measured the speed of light in multiple directions

I see his point but no

[safe dragon]

to me the video always felt like it hinges on a technicality

I've soured to veritasium over the years a bit

[devout vault]

Something something die as a hero or live long enough to become a villain

Hmm, should bonemeal act as fertilizer or should it advance crop stages in SDV…

I’m leaning towards the latter, who says this has to be fully balanced. And then SDV fertilizer can act as special tilled soil tiles in Minecraft

Also, the plan is to design it in a generic way so that people can add other game bridges too, even at the same time.

I probably wouldn’t do it (though Terraria could be interesting…), but in theory someone could do Stardew<->skyrim for example (or even add Skyrim in addition to Stardew+mc in a single instance)

[steel kraken]

advancing crop stages I think would work, but might need to pad out the crop stages to match minecraft

the generic bridge is getting adjacent to the archipelago project

[cinder karma]

Google has an AI now

[steel kraken]

I would hope so, considering GPT was originally their paper

[cinder karma]

Well it's not wrong I guess

(I was looking for a similar Chinese recipe)

[steel kraken]

at least its no longer suggesting glue or whatever it was as a pizza topping or something

[cinder karma]

It's less conversational than gpt

[steel kraken]

found the reference I was thinking of

[devout vault]

Isn't archipelaggo just focused on unlocking things for connected games? This lets you actually use them and bring them to/from the other worlds (and not just sending remotely but travel there yourself)

[cinder karma]

(I was testing gpt yesterday to see what it would tell me wrt retirement over ehat the r/bogleheads say)

[crystal wren]

I remember when it was revealed that those were (sort of sadly, because it's hilarious) fake.

[safe dragon]

unthinkable

people don't lie on the internet

[cinder karma]

Ie, bogleheads got me to consider the HSA as the best US retirement savings vehicle

[devout vault]

I mean, minecraft wheat only has 8 stages which isn't that much longer than the amount of days shorter-growing stardew crops take (and is much shorter than the longer ones)

[cinder karma]

So far gpt/Google have only given generic advice

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-way_speed_of_light#:~:text=When using the term "the,and back again to detector.

[steel kraken]

my memory was thinking of trees, but looks like I misremembered how many stages trees had, and bonemeal does >1 stage anyway for wheat

[cinder karma]

Minecraft has farming?

[steel kraken]

yeah

no giant crops though

[cinder karma]

Today I leanrd

[devout vault]

It's very barebones

[dusty pollen]

oh god are we talking about veritasium

[devout vault]

I mean stardew isn't super advanced either I suppose

[safe dragon]

ur late

[cinder karma]

No I'm trying to get financial advice from chatgpt and gemini

[steel kraken]

I'll take some but not full credit for it coming up

[dusty pollen]

that guy makes up so much shit it's genuinely embarassing atp 💀 personally my tipping point was calling Godel's incompleteness paradox a "hole at the bottom of maths"

[cinder karma]

Keep up with the times

So far Gemini has told me I can delay my retirement

[dusty pollen]

does gemini not understand the goal, or...?

[devout vault]

<insert the polygon BDG "when can mario retire" youtube video>

[steel kraken]

the one that fully make me block him iirc was the one arguing that electricity doesn't flow in wires

[cinder karma]

(I told it that I expected to live longer than average)

[dusty pollen]

oh that's another excellent one. He also made fluid dynamics people very angry at some point iirc. And then there's literally anything he's ever said about psychology

[steel kraken]

to be fair psychology did that to themselves with the replication crisis

[safe dragon]

you can say anything about psychology

[dusty pollen]

my favourite part is when experts call him on it and he leaves a comment on their video saying that they both have evidence and they can agree to disagree or something 💀 no, you just made your one up, it doesn't work that way

[safe dragon]

for the electricity magnetic field thing one I think he made a follow-up in response

[dusty pollen]

he's done that enough times apparently that one of the times I've seen him do it some of his own fans called him on it in the replies

[steel kraken]

it doesn't help that around the time of those videos he did the video on "clicckbait is unreasonably effective" rationalising why he does it

[dusty pollen]

"it makes me money" yeah we know, you're still scummy

[cinder karma]

Again. He's not wrong about the synchronization problem

[safe dragon]

yeah

[cinder karma]

Where he is wrong is that we can measure the differential between two light beams traveling at right angles to each other

[safe dragon]

that video isn't wrong but now the salt about the guy is coming out

[steel kraken]

the speed of light video is a year older than the clickbait and electricity videos

[dusty pollen]

my issue is more that if these complete lies have been found by experts / I can spot lies in the fields I know about, I can no longer trust anything he says about fields I don't know about

he's supposed to be a STEM communicator but I can't trust anything he tells me unless I already know if it's true

[safe dragon]

the biggest science communicator

[cinder karma]

I miss physics girl 😦

[safe dragon]

barring maybe scishow/crash course idk

[dusty pollen]

speaking of though, it looks like physics girl is doing better!

[devout vault]

There's a meme about this sort of thing I'm pretty sure, but I don't recall enough about it to find it

[safe dragon]

better relatively speaking

[dusty pollen]

I think there's a good chance she doesn't ever come back to youtube but it's good to hear that she's improving relative to what she was dealing with before

[cinder karma]

100%

[steel kraken]

she will liekly always have a certain restraint, as overexcerting will cause another regression

[safe dragon]

I forgot about kurzgesagt

they're huge

[cinder karma]

Me/cfs is terrifying

[steel kraken]

scishow/crashcourse I feel are less... vulnerable to the pressures of making shit up for money due to the funding model

[dusty pollen]

it's interesting that that surgery seems to have had a positive effect though, hopefully more research will lead to us actually understanding me/cfs a bit better soon

[safe dragon]

they're funded mostly through donations yeah

[cinder karma]

So far I like practical engineering

[safe dragon]

but not like... the corporate interest variety

[steel kraken]

I have multiple crashcourse coins in my room because I find the idea of physical coins hilarious in the age of crypto

[uncut seal]

I've never actually watched veritasium, I think I saw a clickbait thumbnail/title about IT or CompSci, and instantly labeled the channel as slop

[cinder karma]

I'm also a fan of mentor pilot

[uncut seal]

my #1 science channel will always be xkcd's what if

[safe dragon]

even though half the videos end in the destruction of earth or life on it

[devout vault]

...hmm, how to handle enchanting (specifically, the xp/levels parts)

[steel kraken]

xkcd whatif is an extension of minute physics / minute earth, but using xkcd as the script

[devout vault]

Isn't that what makes them fun

[uncut seal]

I've watched a couple minute physics a while ago, I don't remember them getting as silly as what if

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/7G4ipM2qjfw?si=xduYYgTjo0ZHDZQ0

[devout vault]

(Clearly, the solution is to add minecraft levels to SDV. The main question is should I make MC enchantments accessible through SDV enchanting, or only through enchanting table (and vice versa))

[uncut seal]

(Maybe you could wait for a MC enchant rebalance)

[safe dragon]

[devout vault]

(Is that happening?)

[steel kraken]

tbh I don't think balance is a top priority, and I think the gameplay loop would be more interesting if it was asymmetric

[devout vault]

Yeah, I don't care about balance, but if they change the mechanics it's a different story (since new implementation)

And yeah, I'm not planning on adding any way to obtain game A's items from game B. You have to bring them over

[uncut seal]

(the villager rebalance had a librarian part to make them less powerful, but people didn't like it, so it is possible that the whole enchanting system will be rebalanced to just get rid of the imbalance between villagers and enchanting table)

[devout vault]

Like, no new SDV worldgen

[steel kraken]

tbh I love villager trading halls

[devout vault]

(I feel like banking on them maybe changing things one day when they haven't even mentioned wanting to do that isn't a great idea. 😛 +MS era MC seems to avoid changing fundamental stuff, and I feel like enchanting might fall under that)

[uncut seal]

yeah ofc

[steel kraken]

it does make the concept of diamonds semi pointless, but much better than enchantment being gacha like it used to be, particularly with the anvil/use limit on items making things more expensive

[uncut seal]

(I just want an enchant rework, so I hope it happens at some point)

[devout vault]

I liked the old Enchanting Plus mod, so I installed this on my modpack-I'm-totally-going-to-play: https://modrinth.com/mod/enchanting-infuser

It even has apotheosis support

[steel kraken]

minecraft was already semi solving the enchantment problem by having all the new interesting enchantments be exclusive to exploration anyway

[cinder karma]

Like stardew forge?

[devout vault]

which I kinda hate because of reasons previously mentioned in my infinite world gen rant, and a fixed world size mod would just make it non-renewable

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/-HNpim5x-IE?si=Ear6OmeChM1EHPwL

[uncut seal]

as someone who likes to make farms, I don't like non-renewable stuff. The complexity of the renewability does not matter, as long as it is possible.

[steel kraken]

Stardew forge is kinda the anvil and enchanting table in one.

anvil functionality is like how the combined ring and transmog works, enchanting table is how the forge does enchantments normally

minecraft anvil is about combining/applying effects, mainly enchanted books but also nametags, while enchantment table puts a random enchantment on the thing

[uncut seal]

thinking about all the decorative stuff that is exclusive to newest structure, which makes it obnoxious as fuck to farm

[cinder karma]

I love godbolt

God that is a good talk

[devout vault]

re:infinite world stuff

#programmers-off-topic message

#programmers-off-topic message

[cinder karma]

Modern cpu scary

[devout vault]

Wait... the compiler explorer domain is literally just the guy's last name?????

[cinder karma]

Yesssss

[crystal wren]

Wow, that's a hell of a name.

[cinder karma]

Name of a guy destined to make good code

[uncut seal]

De Gaulle type shit

[steel kraken]

For me the infinite world things main flaw is just the randomness and the lack of any good rules to find what you want.
Mods semi solve it, but not fully.

and then there is the culture of just new updates = do new save or explore ungenerated chunks

almost everything is renewable in modern minecraft anyway

[devout vault]

I don't want to walk thousands of blocks to maybe find structures (or biomes, with how many there are in modded minecraft a lot of the time) 😛

If I know it's there it's slightly better (like nature compass or structure compass)

But I'd prefer that in a fixed size world (even a large one) rather than infinite world

[steel kraken]

I'm willing to walk the thousands of blocks, and have done it many times, but whats annoying is going in a straight line is just as efficient as any other strategy, particularly for day1

I know at one point they tried having biomes respect temperature/climate or whatever, but never felt like I could actually trust that to find the biome I want

[crystal wren]

This just gave me a mod idea...

*sigh*

Time to figure out the set up again.

[devout vault]

Oh?

[devout vault]

how about you fix my C#-to-Java thing for me instead

[steel kraken]

granted I'm mainly a nostalgic fool that just wants my old fashioned extreme hills and have my base be a hollowed out mountain

[devout vault]

I think that might still be a thing to some extent, I don't ever see savanna next to taiga

[pliant snow]

New fun problem this morning: While using the VSCode integrated terminal, none of my ssh keys are seen on my Windows work PC. If I open an external terminal app though, they work fine

[devout vault]

Old extreme hills were great 😔

And so were pre-biome seeds. Shoutout to gargamel and Glacier (yes I had to look them up)

[crystal wren]

Yeah, imagine a mod that keeps track of your installed mods. Then every time you install a new mod, it gives you a "reload" so to speak of an item that teleports you in the direction you're facing to the first area that has only un-generated chunks ahead of you.

Less abusable by keeping track of your mod loadout as the "currency". Probably also freely doable with a config?

[steel kraken]

I had an adjacent problem to that today, but it was due to powershell not being particularly good at refreshing environment, and with the work device deciding to heavily lock down powershell, the standard tools to force it to refresh doesn't work, and vscodes integrated terminals dont refresh well

[devout vault]

Hmm. Not for me since I wouldn't add a world gen mod mid playthrough usually, but interesting

[crystal wren]

I do that far too often.

And hey, if you get your C# wizardry working, I can use it! Because me being able to fix it is funny.

[devout vault]

I might if I played a single world for any substantial period of time

[devout vault]

I'll add you to the list of "people to notify when it's working" 😛 (LeFauxMatt also mentioned being interested)

[steel kraken]

I treated minecraft mod lists as mostly immutable and was very careful what was allowed to change, as worldgen at least used to be very fragile and just sneezing would cause 30m walls where the newly generated chunks will be

[crystal wren]

Mine tend to be "oh, I forgot Mekanism" or "oh, I forgoet Apotheosis!"

[cinder karma]

Holy fucking shit

The end of that talk

Memory prediction??????

[devout vault]

This is still the case I'm pretty sure 😛

I remember pre-biomes it could sometimes happen without seed or mod changes for some bizarre reason. My brothers and I had a world where we found an area like that.

...that might've been our first multiplayer world? (At least one we actually played, when we first tried MP is wasn't very functional)

[devout vault]

...does that usually happen not within the first couple days of a playthrough but much later on?

[crystal wren]

Yeah, worldgen stability was terrible for the longest time.

[devout vault]

To be fair I haven't made my own modpack in ages, so that's part of the reason

[steel kraken]

modern minecraft modpacks are an art of their own, and very much greater than the sum of the parts

[devout vault]

Well, the good ones are

(I hear the lunapixel ones are really bad about throwing mods together with minimal changes and calling it a day)

[steel kraken]

both skyrim and minecraft I don't dare try to assemble my modlists anymore
Skyrim requires a phd to actually get all the mods to actually work
Minecraft requires a bachelors degree, but they put a bunch of bespoke stuff in that no individual mod had like the quests and stuff

[devout vault]

Last time I did hand made MC packs it was bachelor level

But of course didn't include all the nice stuff from good packs like quests and integrated recipes and what not

But yeah skyrim?

I refuse to figure out xedit and all that stuff

Admittedly the times I have done it it's been fine without that

But like I didn't install crazy amounts like a lot of premade modpacks

[steel kraken]

one of the reasons I like stardew, its so much more plug n play.
the only real question is SVE or no SVE, and whether multiplayer compat is needed or not, and maybe if you want to do file manipulation for portraiture or not

[devout vault]

Yeah. But at the same time that's largely because we don't really have any big game changing mods, just expansions.

(One could argue that that's because of the nature of the base gameloop being more defined/structured and such, though)

Like, we don't have any completely unique experiences like skyblock maps/packs

(Barring a few of my WIPs 😛 )

I guess there's the roguelike mod (the existing one that's just combat)

I can't think of anything else though

[rain apex]

I think it is related to gameloop yeah

There's some smaller things like start on ginger island

[devout vault]

Ah, I forgot about that one. Yeah I'll count that one

[rain apex]

I suppose nothing really stops someone from making an expansion with a start in the expansion option

[devout vault]

I mean I think a couple expansions have talked about that sort of option before

[rain apex]

Heck maybe we should just make one now for all the expansions that give farmland lol

[devout vault]

Like SVE and castle village

[rain apex]

It's like that skyrim mod alt starts

[devout vault]

And I might be misremembering but I thought I heard the idea tossed around in ES at one point

[devout vault]

Yeah, which is interesting, but I still wouldn't call transformative like modded MC is compared to vanilla

[rain apex]

Archipelago is fairly different but mostly cus it's tied to whole other system

[devout vault]

Especially with the advent of quest packs, modded MC has more structured content than vanilla

[rain apex]

(different in that pathos gotta test it individually for mod compat lol)

[safe dragon]

wow speak of the devil

[dusty pollen]

I'm like 99% sure the answer is 4+4, but yk

[devout vault]

That is an incredibly clickbait title+thumbnail combo

[dusty pollen]

maybe I'm just a genius

[safe dragon]

wow maybe you're right

[devout vault]

Go claim your million dollars!

Before I do from stealing your answer

Obviously I couldn't have figured out such a thing myself

[safe dragon]

I just asked chatgpt what 4 + 4 is and it did say 8

[dusty pollen]

well if chatgpt says it, it must be true!

[devout vault]

(MC fishing rod in SDV is gonna be great for people who hate SDV fishing)

[devout vault]

But how many 'r's are in strawberry

[dusty pollen]

7

[devout vault]

Oh, fun fact. Since I'm only allowing building to two blocks tall in SDV I don't have to care about nether portals 😂

[safe dragon]

it got so close

[devout vault]

Well, it gets a D I guess

Which isn't a passing grade

(Speaking of which, why in the world do letter grades skip E????????????????????????)

[safe dragon]

idk we just do numbers where I live

we don't have some abstraction step where your grade is turned into something else

[dusty pollen]

in the UK E is a possible grade

or was when we used letter grades

we've moved to numbers now

[cinder karma]

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2010/08/how-come-schools-assign-grades-of-a-b-c-d-and-f-but-not-e.html

Slate agrees

I still searching for a good source

Because this seems dumb

[devout vault]

That feels like a terrible reason. What about F=Fantastic?

Unless it's a holdover from a previous grading system or something

[cinder karma]

The British use E apparently

Can the brit confirm

[steel kraken]

I just did another readthrough hpmor and have their silly grading in mind where the second highest grade is Exceeds Expectations, and highest grade is Outstanding

[dusty pollen]

is your source my message a few above yours

[safe dragon]

the A stands for Axecellent

[devout vault]

It's HP, it making sense is not expected to begin with

[devout vault]

"Amazing" was right there

[safe dragon]

no

[robust owl]

I thought A was for awsome

[safe dragon]

aweful

[devout vault]

If we're gonna use A-F (minus E), we might as well use S (and SS and SSS)

Like, over 100 is A+ for some reason????

Completely breaks the pattern, 0/10

[safe dragon]

over 100 makes no sense to me

[devout vault]

Yeah, it really doesn't, but has to do with extra credit questions.

Ideally we'd just cap it at 100 still, but for some reason we get GPA over 4.0 in high school instead

[safe dragon]

i had never heard of bonus points being a thing till university

[devout vault]

Wait, GPA over 4.0 is for AP classes I think?

[safe dragon]

thankfully I never had to worry about such high numbers for my grades

[dusty pollen]

I still have no idea what a gpa even is and why

[cinder karma]

Grade point average

[safe dragon]

Dutch student culture is quite strongly tied to "you should only just barely manage to pass or you did too much"

[devout vault]

It's another compressed version of grades (and averages)

[cinder karma]

Basically an average of how you did in all your classes but harder ones go for more points

It's like doing a gymnastics routine

[safe dragon]

(till college where this goes out the window)

[cinder karma]

I just wanna be hard-core 🎵

[supple ether]

Never understood the point of letter grades anyways. Why not just use percentages as-is?

[dusty pollen]

the entire gpa thing is confusing

[safe dragon]

idk

[supple ether]

Maybe it's a holdover from an era before point-counting where they'd be assigned by Vibes

[safe dragon]

GPA isn't a thing here though my uni had a funky conversion chart

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/Ne5Y0zfcXHk?si=kjY7fWK0r5DNvTR6

[dusty pollen]

your tests aren't standardised anyway, what's stopping your teacher from just making the test really easy

and then you get a high gpa for college applications

[cinder karma]

Schools get reputations for what their gpas actually mean

Actually.

You don't want to be in the easy 4.0 school it discounts you

God

[dusty pollen]

every school? there's over 6000 primary/secondary schools just in the UK

[cinder karma]

I used to play that game

[devout vault]

Hey, is the minecraft wiki gaslighting me? I thought nether wart grew slower in the overworld but there's no mention of it. (Or at least used to, but it's not mentioned in version history either)

[steel kraken]

arbitrarily fail half the students so the school is worth something

[cinder karma]

It was insane

[devout vault]

...wait it's probably this

[supple ether]

Ah yeah

[safe dragon]

our high schools similarly get judged by whether their school grades are close to their national exam grades

[cinder karma]

https://youtu.be/jBApkDhqxhc?si=I9W1z44jTyV7TdjK

[devout vault]

Clearly we're going back to the era, if vibe coding is any indication

[dusty pollen]

here almost all of your tests are standardised and marked externally

[supple ether]

I was gonna say I remember that being a thing before bc it was such a pain in the ass

[supple ether]

Alexa program my million dollar website idea

[dusty pollen]

standardised as in handled by one of several exam boards (there are three really big ones and a few smaller ones)

[devout vault]

There are some standardized tests! <FCAT flashbacks (these were the FL-specific ones)>

And the SAT, though they keep changing the scoring system

[dusty pollen]

your entire grade for everything is based on standardised tests here

[cinder karma]

SAT and ACT

[devout vault]

I don't know how the ACT and such works but presumably those are standardized too

[supple ether]

There's also act/sat/clep

[dusty pollen]

which was nice because some of my teachers were completely useless but I could just refer to the syllabus and textbooks for their subjects

[supple ether]

Those are all standardized

[cursive sigil]

I'm so lost here

[devout vault]

Just the normal topic rollercoaster progression of #programmers-off-topic , nothing to see here

(And me interjecting minecraft nonsense periodically)

[cursive sigil]

I appreciate the random minecraft nonsense

[dusty pollen]

here you do GCSEs at age 16 for all the core subjects plus a few optional ones (standardised) and A Levels (or an equivalent, standardised either way) at age 18 for just like 3-4 subjects entirely of your choosing, and literally no grade outside of this matters

[cinder karma]

I just love hack punt tool

[supple ether]

I dunno if that's better, though. It doesn't necessarily test all of your knowledge or abilities, just your ability to take tests and memorize information

[dusty pollen]

oh I'm not saying it is

it completely punishes people who are bad at testing

I just see the reason why, if they were already going based on tests, they chose to standardise them

it also meant that accommodations were standardised too, so for example I got unlimited rest breaks for "anxiety" (which turned out to be undiagnosed adhd lmao) and it was for every test regardless of any teacher's opinion

[cursive sigil]

Here basically everything is subjective

[dusty pollen]

and the one time a teacher was given the ability to do something on his own (the pass/fail practical component of my physics A level, theoretically it's "verified" by the exam board every few years but he knew that year they weren't checking lmao) he literally just passed everyone

[uncut seal]

My next modding adventure might be Deltarune, I want to gaslight children so badly...

[devout vault]

(TIL allays can be duplicated using an amethyst shard while they are dancing around a jukebox)

[cursive sigil]

Are the minecraft fun facts on a timer?

[devout vault]

.quote add "I want to gaslight children so badly" - leroymilo

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6437 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1385618953321054270)

[uncut seal]

🎉

[devout vault]

They're on a "casey is reading through every item and such on the wiki for nefarious bridge mod purposes" timer

[cursive sigil]

Ah the perfect interval of time between them then

[uncut seal]

Since I watched 2 full blind playthroughs in a row, I'm getting a ton of theory recomedation, and it would be very funny to me to just put misinformation in the brainrot machine

[devout vault]

It's really interesting seeing things I hadn't seen before. Like, I'd never seen the not-grown version of the ancient plants from the sniffer

[cursive sigil]

Wdym the not-grown version

[uncut seal]

wow, the somewhat rare MC mechanic I never interacted with

[devout vault]

Pitcher pods and torchflower seeds

I've seen the grown versions before

But having hardly played since sniffers were introduced, and even when playing never seeing them much less using them, I never saw the seed version

[cursive sigil]

Ah so instead of "seeds" you just went with "not-grown versions"

[devout vault]

Well a pitcher pod arguably isn't a seed

[cursive sigil]

Arguably

[devout vault]

(Unrelated but why does java not have a bunch of the cool cauldron features like dying and potions+tipping-arrows-with-them)

[cursive sigil]

I've been awake for 32 hours i'm easily confused rn

[devout vault]

I've been awake for like 3 hours. I'm always easily confused

[robust owl]

Real

[cursive sigil]

Valid

[devout vault]

...what

[lethal walrus]

which is the what part

[cursive sigil]

Bone in mouth

[devout vault]

Yeah, that

[lethal walrus]

oh

[worn remnant]

hey everybody, what's a good abstract icon representing generic weakness that can fit in about 8x8 pixels?

[devout vault]

I'm reaching the point of "you know maybe implementing every minecraft thing in SDV is a lot of work" and I might have reached 10% of the items (and haven't looked at blocks/entities/enchantments/effects/etc. yet)

[devout vault]

You could make a mini version of the MC weakness buff icon I guess

[worn remnant]

hmm

[uncut seal]

is it specifically fighting weakness?

[devout vault]

It makes your attacks do less damage

[uncut seal]

I mean, ichor's use case

[devout vault]

...I did not look at who said that message...

[crystal wren]

Makes attacking consume stamina. /j

[cursive sigil]

Makes you lay down every 4 steps

[supple ether]

Dying is a thing in java edition though?

[devout vault]

Not using cauldrons

You can remove dye

[supple ether]

Really? I thought it was

[uncut seal]

I was thinking of a broken bone in case it's about low dmg resistance

[supple ether]

Maybe that's a quark feature lol

[devout vault]

Yeah probably

[worn remnant]

yes. overall weakness in battle

[supple ether]

I haven't played Real Vanilla Minecraft in like 5 years

[steel kraken]

iirc theres also some neat things in the weird education edition that could have been backported but didn't

[uncut seal]

am stuck in a loop of refreshing youtube and alt-tabing here

don't wanna open VSCode, don't wanna open Steam, don't wanna go to bed...

[devout vault]

Yeah 😔

And let's not get started on all the fun april fools stuff (like lashing potatos)

[steel kraken]

the minecraft 2.0 one and the single inventory slot one was interesting

[supple ether]

Personally I miss the etho slabs

[cinder karma]

The concept of Java changed three times in my head in this sentence

[devout vault]

Etho is the one MC youtuber I consistently watch (and have for ages, since even before SDV came out)

[cinder karma]

Putting poison arrows in my coffee

[supple ether]

I started watching ethoslab back when chests were still a full block

[devout vault]

How about coffee arrows - basically coffee syringe injections that you shoot at people with a bow

I'm not sure exactly when I did, just know it's been a loooong time

[steel kraken]

I do vaguely remember some of the old ethos videos, mainly regarding redstone

[devout vault]

I miss the days of daily uploads rather than monthly ones like now

[supple ether]

Mhm

[devout vault]

I get why and understand (burnout prevention + life stuff), doesn't mean I don't miss it 😛

[supple ether]

But I have less time to watch than I used to, so I guess it evens out

[devout vault]

(Speaking of, I saw a new life series is starting next month, wonder if he'll be participating)

[uncut seal]

oooooh that's interesting

[steel kraken]

Also the audience expectations for editing quality has gone up over the years.
Those wanting that daily vibe just watch streams/vods instead

[devout vault]

I don't like streams/vods because they're too long

Also, etho doesn't have those

[steel kraken]

Part 531 of my let's play doesn't make a good title or thumbnail

[devout vault]

I mean etho to this day doesn't do fancy thumbnails

Like I said, I get it, but that doesn't mean I didn't like daily uploads

[supple ether]

Sure it does, I'd watch that

[devout vault]

Yeah, for etho, me too

I watch every single video

[supple ether]

I like low-production stuff

[devout vault]

I saw recently I even watched every ark survival video for some crazy reason (I don't like that game)

[supple ether]

The main thing I don't like is when someone does the obnoxious youtuber voice

[steel kraken]

The problem with the part numbers in the title, is the implicit prereq of seeing the prior episodes first

[devout vault]

I've got a tab open for another watch through of project ozone 2

[supple ether]

Which unfortunately a lot of amateur videographers do

[devout vault]

I guess I can kinda see that, though with long running MC ones there usually are milestones that can be good parts to start at (like etho's world tours every 50 episodes)

[supple ether]

Idk, I jump into the middle of series all the time. I can always skim through the backlog if I need to

[steel kraken]

And the second you deviate from just doing part number names, you now need the videos to actually have independent purpose and not just be part of a wider series

[devout vault]

(Of course that's a case by case basis)

Yeah, minecraft is also unique compared to normal game playthroughs since, because it's so open ended and sandboxy, you won't really be missing much starting mid way (compared to story games for example)

[steel kraken]

Yeah depends on the scope of the project, how much editing is used, and how much you want to leave on the cutting room floor

Which is more extreme in the old-school Runescape community, where a 30 hour grind becomes a 10 second montage in a wider video

[safe dragon]

osrs mentioned I'm here

osrs content creators are the master of taking 100 hours of work and turning it into a small minute long segment

[steel kraken]

While the streamers just make bank directly and save on the editing costs, at the expense of not really telling a story

[safe dragon]

and I don't watch them

[steel kraken]

Neither

[safe dragon]

give me your 45 minute video breakdown of what you've spent the last 6 months of your life grinding out

[steel kraken]

I do prefer the more story centric ones like settled vs the more... video diary ones

[safe dragon]

me too but they're rare

[devout vault]

Dumb Minecraft mod idea: Touch Grass, where right clicking grass with an empty hand will make you immune to debuffs for a day

[steel kraken]

I feel like there will be some semi interesting gameplay loop regarding bringing a silk touched grass with you everywhere

Though if it lasts the day then might not be needed as much

Iirc with constructing guardian farms it was already standard practise to bring a cow with you to have a consistent supply of milk to purge the debuffs

[devout vault]

It could be shorter, a day just felt better for meme purposes 😛

Could make different benefits/immunities for different grasses (whether that be by biome, or by type (normal/mycelium/podzel/maybe-snowy))

By biome would fit best, even if less ideal for gameplay

Like, doing it by biome better fits "go out into the real world"

[devout vault]

I see skyrim cheese wheel hoarding strat is canon to real life

Technically cheese could protect from gunshots if you used enough it as armor

[cinder karma]

Lolwut

What modern accounting company forgets about juneteeth

[devout vault]

Forgets, or "forgets"

[cinder karma]

Hate to say it but isn't part of your job dealing with banks????

[devout vault]

...ah

[worn remnant]

teeth

[cinder karma]

We got a hilariously defensive email this morning about our paychecks being late

[devout vault]

Ouch

[worn remnant]

i love an excuse to link dan luu https://danluu.com/nothing-works/

[devout vault]

Why be defensive about that sort of thing

[worn remnant]

When it comes to buying products and services, at a personal level, most people I know who've checked the work of people they've hired for things like home renovation or accounting have found grievous errors in the work.

[devout vault]

(Okay, got through all MC items, time to go do something else instead of doing all blocks and other stuff)

[devout vault]

That's a lot of dense text I don't have the attention span for right now 😛

[worn remnant]

that's okay, it might be better for your SAN if you don't read it /lh

[devout vault]

Saw this, and suddenly wanting to put multiple card minigames in a game project, and if you try to put cards from game A into a deck for game B it technically works but interacts with the game weirdly

[fleet wren]

that's kinda Inscryption

[supple ether]

balatro

[placid niche]

Has pathos been testing archipelago specifically?

[rain apex]

It's part of the mod compat testing

Archipelago and a few other mods need to be tested separately

[pliant snow]

it only took an hour but my stupid git ssh keys finally work again

turns out, git looks in a completely different drive for the keys than ssh does, because sure it does

[placid niche]

Interesting, that I was never made aware lmao

So my mod is big enough to warrant custom special testing from Pathos, but not big enough for me to deserve the mod author role

[red crest]

well, Pathos installs every mod for compat testing... any mod can be special enough for special testing if they fuck with that enough

(i imagine you probably could get the mod author role for it though? i dont think its limited to just nexus. though idk if its limited to "nexus or github" either)

[devout vault]

Isn't putting yourself on the wiki and being level 25 on the server the only requirements

[red crest]

well, you need to have a released mod 😛

[placid niche]

The level 25 thing is what I don't have

It's a very very high bar for someone who isn't super chatty

I can't even imagine how impossible it must be for someone who has trouble with english

It just feels so arbitrary difficult, and pointless

[placid niche]

The joke is that Archipelago is probably the biggest mod, or at least top 5, of all stardew valley, on several metrics

[worn remnant]

instead of "big enough" to deserve special testing, i would say it "fucks with the game enough"

[placid niche]

Not in popularity, of course, but in size/extent/etc

[placid niche]

It does that too, massively lmao

[worn remnant]

that's the metric, though, not popularity

[red crest]

thats why it has to be sequestered for mod compat testing, is all

Pathos literally installs every. mod.

at once

[placid niche]

60k lines of code on the mod side, about 30k in the generator, and pretty much all of it is harmony patches

At this point some philosopher could ask about the Stardew of Theseus or whatever lol

[devout vault]

I think that it's partially due to the fact that you get access to the decompile repo at that point

[red crest]

no you need lvl 50 for that

[devout vault]

Oh

I thought that was just for commands

[red crest]

thats 100!

[placid niche]

I decompile my own code lmao, I thought everyone did that

[devout vault]

The decompile repo has been fixed to recompile

[red crest]

no like, a github hosted repo of the official game decompile. not the source code but still a decompile

[devout vault]

For debugging

[worn remnant]

the level requirements on mod author and the extra perks are to prevent community abuse. and the mod author role is specific to this discord anyway

[red crest]

and yeah if mod author was given out for basically free i could see people spamming mod showcase with it more often. or spamming threads

[worn remnant]

the point is that you have to be dedicated enough to hanging out on here

[placid niche]

I've given up on ever having a chance at being a mod author here

[red crest]

the nature of trying to moderate a server with 262k people in it

[placid niche]

My understanding is that there are too many mods and therefore this community has taken steps to limit the number of mod authors by strongly disincentivizing it through these arbitrary requirements

Which, I get. The community is big. Can't allow everyone in

[worn remnant]

that is not my perspective on the situation at all, lmao

[red crest]

its not strongly disincentivizing

[placid niche]

But still. The result is that I have a big mod and will never be a mod author. That is the path that was chosen

[red crest]

and there arent too many mods. people are encouraged to make more

my understanding of it is that while this is an official discord (at least i think so?) it is still just a stardew discord and if you want some perks for this stardew discord, you need to interface with this stardew discord, is all

perks for regulars

[placid niche]

It is a filter that only let's chatty people through, in the hopes that it correlates with dedication and respect (it probably does)

[worn remnant]

dedication to being a member of this chat server specifically, is the thing

[placid niche]

But it will of course have some false positives and some false negatives, as all filters do

[pliant snow]

I'm pretty sure the criteria to getting mod author is "publish a mod"

[red crest]

(and be of the appropriate level, which is whats bein discussed here)

[placid niche]

Yes but heres the thing. My biggest interactions here happen when trying to help someone with my mod. Which is, hopefully, what mod authors should do.

But at least twice, ive been told by a moderator to take it to DMs instead. Which means it is actively disincentivizing earning the levels through helping players

Im guessing the only reason this convo has gone on so long is because this channel is marked as off topic

[pliant snow]

you're only like 5 levels away, I think you'll make it

[red crest]

while i cant comment on what a junimo does or not say or tell people to do i just think you've very much extrapolated that experience too far to confidently say that its an active effort to disincentivize people from becoming mod authors

[worn remnant]

two points, and then i have to go:

1. if you are only coming on here to help people troubleshoot your own mod, then yeah that's not too much community engagement, so you shouldn't be surprised that your level is low
2. you're already level 20, just like come on here and say what's up every now and then and you'll get there lol

[placid niche]

Didnt someone in this very convo agree that it exists to prevent people from submitting a low effort mod and getting the role instantly?

Thats what disincentivizing means, or at least, thats what i mean when i used the word

[worn remnant]

where "instantly" means "without having established a presence on the server", yes

[red crest]

saying that its so it s not given out to just anyone to prevent abuse is not the same as saying its to disincentivize authors bc theres too many mods

[placid niche]

Prevent it from being too common

[red crest]

disincentivization to me implies discouragement

[pliant snow]

well, low effort as in "I changed one line of text and pushed it to nexus, wheres my role"

[placid niche]

As a user, i would expect "mod author" to mean "this person makes mods". But here, it means "this person is an active community member and also makes mods".

When I say disincentivize, what I mean is, it exists to make sure there aren't too many people asking for it, or expecting to have it. It shows us "making a mod is not enough to get the role"

Maybe that's juste the wrong word for it. I can concede that. Filter would have been better

[red crest]

i think a user of a discord is generally expected to read the server information (like the roles channel) to understand what a role means

[placid niche]

I'm also not native English speaker, although experienced

[red crest]

if you dont mean discouragement though then i think our disagreement is a lot less, ive just only ever heard and used that word to mean like, taking active steps to make people not want to do something

[pliant snow]

I understand what you mean, but I don't think it's really the case. I think the server would be perfectly happy if every single user had the mod author role. There is some criteria, but it's less to punish mod authors and more to prevent users who solely want a new role without actually having any interest in making a mod

[red crest]

the difference between saying "you need to do these things first" vs "we dont want you to do these things, but if you really insist..."

[placid niche]

I don't disagree with that

[red crest]

then i think a lot of this was just a word definition communication mistake lol

(on both sides, for the record, not just putting it all on you)

[grave meteor]

☠️

walked into this chat and gonna see myself out

[dusty pollen]

there's also a security aspect (sorry if this was already mentioned, I only skimmed) - the mod author role gives you certain privileges like showcasing mods (which implies some sort of endorsement by the server), making threads in the mod making channels etc. It makes sense for the server to want to restrict access to these to people who have demonstrated they actually want to participate in the server

[cinder karma]

I am 100% trying to change the topic with the only thing I have

[dusty pollen]

atra

if someone made you design a game

what would you make

[devout vault]

Taking bets on "mobile app that gamifies things like going outside and touching grass"

[cinder karma]

I did play zombies, run

And enjoy it

[dusty pollen]

is that a game or a podcast with a step meter

[cursive sigil]

Oh it's friday

[cursive sigil]

This reminded me lol

[devout vault]

...how

[cursive sigil]

Because friday is "atra asks us fun random question time"

[dusty pollen]

I'm iro, atra's the other one

[cursive sigil]

... so when iro asked atra a fun random question i got reminded that atra didn't ask us the fun random question yet

[placid niche]

We made that in Archipelago

We call it Archipela-Go! (named after pokemon go)

It's a randomized "game" that you add to a multiworld and it makes you go outside for walks/jogs and get items for other games

[grave meteor]

I finally have a server tag wow I feel so proud of myself

[sand frost]

knitting simulator 3000

involves typing extremely fast to simulate the knitting experience

[devout vault]

Not a typing game 😭

[cinder karma]

I'm too dumb to develop a game

[sand frost]

It could be a phone game and then you could swipe back and forth to move yarn around?

Atra u are so not dumb

[devout vault]

Right? That's me

[cinder karma]

You aren't dumb

[safe dragon]

we call all share the dumb

pass it around

[sand frost]

👉 👈 what if we're all not dumb

[fleet wren]

[strange copper]

channel of intelligence

[rain apex]

What is this channel name

Guess im banned for now bye

[lethal walrus]

we are intelligence

[fleet wren]

finally, a channel name fit for the unbounded genius such as I, whose intellect was that I once spelled burgeoisie correctly

[safe dragon]

wow this is definitely not a self-indulgent name for a channel

[steel kraken]

Tbh I didn't even notice the channel name changing

[strange copper]

short lived

[rain apex]

Happy to be back

[sand frost]

👀 I clearly missed something

[cinder karma]

What happened

[lethal walrus]

channel renamed to channel of intelligence

[cinder karma]

Got it I'm out

I forgot to charge my watch so I've been watchless

[worn remnant]

(but not this time, lol /lh)

[devout vault]

(I checked the exact same thing 😅 )

[cyan shadow]

You dare self-deprecate when I'm not around to bap you with a newspaper

Hi Alab

[crystal wren]

Don't worry, I've been keeping up the job when I see it!

#making-mods-general message

[cyan shadow]

I missed quite a bit of discourse yesterday, it seems

[cyan shadow]

[safe dragon]

doing an important job

[cyan shadow]

[dusty pollen]

what if pretending discourse doesn't exist make it leave us alone

[cinder karma]

considers a nest

[dusty pollen]

like for yourself?

I support it

[safe dragon]

🪹

[dusty pollen]

you know what would be fun? a Small Double bed in a room that's exactly the same size as it (including the door opening outward instead of inward). Preferably as one part of a larger bedroom but not necessarily

[safe dragon]

don't give hotels any ideas

last hotel I was in back in london was already a bed crammed in with like a bit of floor to the side to just barely get out and stand

[crystal wren]

I think you just invented an XL capsule hotel.

[cyan shadow]

I already nest

By which I mean I furnish the house with a stupid number of cushions and throws

Highly recommend, it's very cozy

[sand frost]

Back in college I knew of someone who turned their dorm room into something like that by building a floor halfway up the height. They kept all their stuff on the lower level and the upper level was a giant bed, iirc.

[devout vault]

Are dorm rooms that tall???

[cinder karma]

It's....a special dorm

[safe dragon]

or they're really short

[sand frost]

The dorm rooms were pretty normal height

This was definitely a weird thing to do to a room, architecturally

But typically ceilings were perhaps 9' or 10' in many dorm rooms?

So two relatively short spaces

[cinder karma]

I think having a loft was pretty normal

Two divided spaces...less so

[sand frost]

Yup

I had a loft

Built it with my own two hands!

The divided room thing was weird enough that I heard about it despite not really knowing the person

I had a loft mostly because some freshmen next door had too much wood and the cleaning staff asked them to not keep it in the hallway (extremely reasonable request) and I said ok, either you use it or I use it, let's go

[cinder karma]

I had a loft I built tooo

[cyan shadow]

I have a loft now
It's fun

Climbing the ladder when extremely sleepy is a tad hazardous but it's fiiiine

[cinder karma]

I have found the downsides to a loft is that it increases the activation energy of going to bed

Which is dangerous when tired

[sand frost]

I uh, might have skipped building a ladder

depending on if you count having two random bits of wood strategically placed on the side

I still slept in a normal bed under the loft, the loft was mostly extra storage or if a friend wanted to crash for the night

[cinder karma]

Wait

My ladder was the side yes

I had four planks of wood

[sand frost]

for mine, iirc you stood on a dresser, then stuck your foot into a brace, and then heaved up and over the side

[cinder karma]

Also some strategically placed bits that made a shoe rack

Ah, no. Both sides of mine had four bits of wood you could climb up

[sand frost]

ladder would be a VERY generous description of what I had

[cinder karma]

Like mine was pretty legit imo

[sand frost]

man i should have taken photos

a friend of mine built a spiral staircase

[cinder karma]

Niceeeee

I didn't want to spend the area for a separate ladder

But I did have a table bolted to the side

[sand frost]

I found a picture! Not the prettiest, but I think this was the "upgraded" ladder (before the bar you see, it was just the diagonal braces)

[lethal walrus]

is that nail just sticking out or is it bent over

[uncut seal]

(that's the ladder)

[devout vault]

For the record, I did this all the time, but it was in everquest 2 housing not IRL 😂

Floating carpets are perfectly capable of supporting the weight of people and a bunch of furniture, you see

[cinder karma]

I enjoy how both Elizabeth and I were like "oh yeah, a loft"

building lofts was very normal.

[devout vault]

Only type of thing I ever built was a blanket fort

[cinder karma]

I don't have photos of mine though

[sand frost]

It’s a screw! I forget why it was there, I think I used it to hang things

[devout vault]

...huh, since when did itch.io have a dev logs section?

[lethal walrus]

in the like 8 years this Windows install has survived I think this is the first time it decided to bluescreen on boot

[safe dragon]

exciting

a new experience

[tranquil grove]

I see some going back to at least 2018, though the UI could've changed at some point? I've always seen them around
though the UI section is hidden if the dev never posts any

[devout vault]

Well, I just don't recall ever seeing "Developer Logs" at the top

I feel like "Assets" used to be there instead, but now it's a subsection under "Browse"

[lethal walrus]

Also in pillow computer woes: in trying to fix WiFi on my kubuntu drive (it would connect but no traffic) I made it so it can't even see my wifi and mobile data very slow so I had to copy the windows repair iso from my phone over kde link

[cinder karma]

My ethernet didn't work this morning so instead of fixing it I left the house

Note that "fixing it" is likely "power cycle the router"

[tranquil grove]

...oh, on the main header itself? I hadn't noticed it at all
assumed you meant these sections on the game pages

looks like it may have been a few years ago https://itch.io/t/2480029/top-level-blogging-available-for-all

[lethal walrus]

Windows installer does not boot. This is probably categorised as "bad"

[cursive sigil]

Does a windows install ever go smoothly the first time around? Has anyone had that experience?

[lethal walrus]

Usually does for me but that's in vms

[cursive sigil]

Last time around i got trolled by the microsoft bot

[lethal walrus]

So the disk drive made very angry noises

[cursive sigil]

Oh no

[lethal walrus]

Thankfully I rarely run into required ai

[cursive sigil]

I only did this one time, because the key was not working for wtv reason and i had to call to activate

[lethal walrus]

how can the main windows install break and then the installers obtain the same problem magically

Oh no its all purple again

[cursive sigil]

I wish you luck

[lethal walrus]

Thank you

I will need it

Maybe if I ty the windows 11 installer

[cursive sigil]

Is this how they'll get you?

[lethal walrus]

At this point I'm saying hopefully

[lethal walrus]

Firefox stop crashing I just want to download Windows 11 on my phone is this too much

[dusty pollen]

didn't you say this pc is over 8yo, does the win11 installer even work on it

[lethal walrus]

Uhhh

I have nothing else to try

[dusty pollen]

-# arch live boot medium?

I assume you can get into bios

[lethal walrus]

I can get into my linux fine

[dusty pollen]

ah, I see

[lethal walrus]

But I kinda want windows to live for a little longer

[dusty pollen]

just windows being its usual lovely self

[lethal walrus]

Windows just does not work, at all, 2 different install medias and one is probably 5 years old and nothing

[dusty pollen]

have you tried backing up any files you have on the windows install and then nuking it and starting it again

[lethal walrus]

At that point I just don't need windows

And I can't even get into a windows installer to reinstall it

[dusty pollen]

oof

literally my only guess is "what if wiping windows makes the installer work" but that seems unlikely

I wonder what could possibly cause both windows and windows install media not work

[lethal walrus]

I don't even need windows it's just easier atm

[dusty pollen]

oh yeah I'm on windows rn too for the same reason

[lethal walrus]

I have a feeling it might be something to do with my storage devices bc if I remove my "works fine but makes angry noises" 4tb HD it doesn't purple screen it black screens

I could totally just nuke kubuntu and install arch over it.. I have the cd on my desk

[dusty pollen]

why would that kill the external installation medium though

though as soon as a storage device starts being dodgy I get scared haha

[lethal walrus]

It scanning for windows drives maybe

this is why you don't buy a drive wait 8 months and then try to use it

[safe dragon]

windows being quirky

[lethal walrus]

FIREFOX STOP CRAHDING I BEG YOU

maybe termux wget will be nicer

[dusty pollen]

I love termux

did a practical assignment for one course on my ipad while in a tutorial for another course once using it

[lethal walrus]

termux is amazing
Microsoft 403s wget
Chrome.. maybe?

Hmmmm

Internet things say removing drives helped

And I think I remember some bioses can disable sata connections without disconnecting them

But also being distracted by minecraft is fun

[dusty pollen]

I hate windows for having these kinds of issues

why would a bad drive that isn't even where your OS is cause a bluescreen

[lethal walrus]

no it's not a blue screen it's a purple acreen

There's meant to be a window in the installer with a purple background.. the window never appears

CHROME WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU STARTED AND DIDNT TELL ME

[safe dragon]

thsi is going well

[lethal walrus]

I am open to bets on how will this end

I will take a 80% commission on any wins from 2+ people betting against eachother

[dusty pollen]

pillow did you know most of the links in your bio are dead

[lethal walrus]

They aren't dead they haven't been birthed yet

Out of the one pictured 4 are dead

And all have functional subdomains except transgender.boo

[dusty pollen]

only two actually load

if you click the link directly

[lethal walrus]

4 of them work

just pkd.onl is http only

[dusty pollen]

still missing one groundblock.org, transgender.boo and mods.directory can't connect to server and pil.ninja and stardew.rocks have unexpected EOF

[pliant snow]

are all of those your domains

[lethal walrus]

Oh did I never make groundblock.org do things

[lethal walrus]

There's more..

[lethal walrus]

Actually no it works as a Minecraft server

[dusty pollen]

ah

[lethal walrus]

to be fair mods.directory is being worked on

[dusty pollen]

I'm aware of that part

[lethal walrus]

indeed

[dusty pollen]

I assumed you just spin up the server whenever you're working on it

[lethal walrus]

which

mods.directory doesn't point to the code running
technically the server only spijs up when in use because its all like "serverless" and "edge network"

[dusty pollen]

ew

[lethal walrus]

look next is kinda nice ok

[lethal walrus]

Finally I have windows 11 on my computer time to write

[lethal walrus]

bios wdym both my m.2s aren't
present

Oh it means in sata mode

Hopefully disabling sata doesn't break things

I guess I'll try win11 without doing ot actially

hmm
A window popped up

And now purple.

Ogmgogmgomgomgogmgogogm
I disabled Sata and it worked

"Install driver to show hardware" uhhm

Hm

aw that didn't magically fix my windows install

WEEEEEEEEEEEE

OMGOGMOGMG

I PRESSEE ENTER TO TTY AGSIN

it eorks

Omfg

well that was a nice saga i love windows

oh no google thinks my ip is a bot now https://i.pillow.rocks/IcTV7vnv5U

[supple ether]

I've gotten that before, sometimes it just happens

also an ip address is not identifying info unless it can be looked up with whois

[rain apex]

Wren is in pillow's walls

[supple ether]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/17d857513688f0913f16379611c214ea/ab8a112c65dd0849-fd/s540x810/57a95427d76dd414715d1ac1903e66bb03e7793c.gif

[lethal walrus]

i am aware but i still like to minimise how many people have it

like i am not diligent at all but i like to be sometimes, i'd rather 260k people not have it

[dusty pollen]

it may not be super identifying but with my old ISP I know for a fact they didn't rotate our IP for well over a year and I'm not convinced they'd rotate on request, so I get just choosing not to share it haha

[lethal walrus]

im not sure if i specifically have a static one or it just rotates rarely so similar situational for me

[dusty pollen]

usually you pay extra for truly static

[lethal walrus]

mhm

[dusty pollen]

on a semi related note, some vpn sponsorships on youtube mention it preventing you from getting ddosed during a game for some reason ("if you suddenly have lag in the middle of a game, it could be throttling or your opponent could have ddosed you" iirc), and it makes me wonder just how common it is for individuals to actually be ddosed

I struggle to imagine it being common

[pliant snow]

Back when I was hosting my webpages from home, I went to all the trouble to set up detection for DDNS, and I don't think the IP address changed once in like 2 years lol

[lethal walrus]

probably more common in fps games but even then it'd weird they leak your ip at all

[rain apex]

aquova can u make leah respect video embeds thx

[dusty pollen]

or that your opponent has time and resources to go ddos you while playing the game

[lethal walrus]

probably some ddos as a service thing

[pliant snow]

I don't think I've made a change to leah in like 2 years

[dusty pollen]

and it doesn't seem to be a part of the copy that they're made to say by the company, so it makes me wonder if those youtubers literally pulled it out of their ass

[pliant snow]

its a wonder it still runs

[dusty pollen]

that can't possibly be worth the price you'd have to pay though, right?

[lethal walrus]

you'd be surprised how angry some people get and how cheap cybercrime can be

[lethal walrus]

stackoverflow person says impossible https://stackoverflow.com/a/68882893

[pliant snow]

you can now I think

[lethal walrus]

docs dont seem to mention it for anything except new thread messages

[pliant snow]

https://discordpy.readthedocs.io/en/latest/api.html#discord.Embed.video

[lethal walrus]

that's reading off one

https://discord.com/developers/docs/resources/message#create-message

[cyan shadow]

There's a reason the problem cases for my cybercrime exam involved random, ordinary people buying ransomware and phishing resources, after all

[steel kraken]

Most cyber crime stuff has assymetric costs where it's more expensive to defend from it than attacking with it.

Particularly with DDoS where your just using someone else's compromised networks anyway

[dusty pollen]

ah, that last bit is probably where the disconnect was for me

I forgot you aren't actually renting a legitimate network

[devout vault]

(It's what you would expect)

[sand frost]

is that what I would expect?

[devout vault]

If you're familiar with minecraft 😛

[sand frost]

never played it!

[safe dragon]

looks about right

[supple ether]

Fun fact, the enchanting table language is actually called galactic standard and was not originally created for minecraft

[devout vault]

Yeah I think I remember that being talked about back when enchanting was introduced. (I'm not old!)

[safe dragon]

I also remember learning about this

[cinder karma]

What's enchanting

[supple ether]

You are

[cinder karma]

Awww. Thanks

[devout vault]

So apparently we have scrabble-balatro now.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3140120/Wordatro/
(Or will in ~21 hours)

Steam

Wordatro!

It all started on a rainy afternoon, trapped in an endless word game session with his grandma. That’s when he wondered: how to make it even more engaging and replayable for everyone?

So he took the original word-game challenge, sprinkled in some roguelite mechanics, added a cozy art direction and strategic choices, and boom! Wordatro! was b…

Release Date

Jun 23, 2025

▶ Play video

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Wordatro! on Steam

[safe dragon]

there's several

[devout vault]

Oh? I hadn't seen a scrabble one yet

[safe dragon]

gmtk made one too

https://store.steampowered.com/app/3586660/Word_Play/

Steam

Word Play

Word Play is a brain-busting spelling game about making words, getting upgrades, and scoring big.

Try to spell the biggest and best words you can. …

Release Date

Jul 14, 2025

▶ Play video

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Word Play on Steam

[safe dragon]

I know there's more but not by name

[grave meteor]

yall are like good at computing, how tf does someone get errors in a string in python when literally just decalring variables

Im genuinely curious

[safe dragon]

what do you mean

[grave meteor]

Someone just sent me this and imlike how in the world can u get redlines doing this

I dont use python by choice only force

[pliant snow]

I think your IDE is just crap

[safe dragon]

I'm not sure that's an IDE

Just an online interpreter

[pliant snow]

oh its spellcheck

[safe dragon]

it could be

[grave meteor]

its not mine

idk why people think I know know python bc I dont someone just keeps sending me their stuff and im gettign mind boggled how they are finding these errors

[dusty pollen]

lmao I think you're spot on

[dusty pollen]

what makes it balatro?

just "roguelite board game"?

[lethal walrus]

it ends in atro

[dusty pollen]

[devout vault]

In the screenshots I saw a "points x multipliers" thing, as well as what looks like a joker type system, as well as a couple other things that I don't quite now the right balatro words to explain

[devout vault]

Or just this, that works too

(I only have 80 minutes in balatro - I did enjoy it, just never went back after my first round (which I almost won))

[dusty pollen]

impressive, it took me ages to win lmao

[devout vault]

I think the tutorial seeds are supposed to be a bit easier? 😛

Probably the reason I made it close to the end

[safe dragon]

I believe the tutorial always uses the same seed

[devout vault]

Oh, I thought it was like a special set of generation rules for tutorial mode

[cinder karma]

Have you played?

Baltero

Bolero

Smrh like thar

[grave meteor]

I love that game

[supple ether]

Balto

[grave meteor]

I told myself I will finish my mod tn (will I who knows?)

[heavy tree]

it's the journey 😔 🫰 NAWT the destination 😎 👍

[grave meteor]

Bro its been months I need to sit down and just finish it

the people really need another stupid ass sdv so im really doing a service to the community /j (this is a selfish mod that adds a thing that idk if anyoen cares ab)

[rain apex]

whats a non selfish mod

also i assumed u r talk about not sdv mod since this is off-topic

[grave meteor]

sdv mod I dont feel like moving bc im not asking for advice or focus on the mod

[rain apex]

fair nuff

i am look forward to the Classified Shroom Mod

[grave meteor]

I thought I was gone with my planning but realized I forgot an additional path choice

[grave meteor]

its just a seb rework

I just am an older emo person and would rather play with an older nerdier seb mod that also doesnt focus on romance

( im bad at writing romance)

[rain apex]

no romance is honestly rare for character expansion

intriguing

[grave meteor]

I am adding some but I fear it will not be the exact ya know want for the demogrpahic who likes seb

I know theres a lot of romancy heavy ones and one thats rather intense.

I just want him to be a nice nerdy emo dude tbh. Has goals has ambition for his life and is a fun emo but mature dude

[pliant snow]

why is getting an SDL program to compile on windows like pulling teeth

[dusty pollen]

didn't know what sdl was, looked it up, was reminded of this lovely kind of online programming nerd

[steel kraken]

it is the community that coined the term RTFM after all

[uncut seal]

fair, but RTFM is quite an important step

[cinder karma]

Chue has pretty colors

[rain apex]

Do I

Oh i do how terrible

[devout vault]

I just learned that during nuclear fusion reactions, stars can create oxygen.

I am now choosing to believe that stars go out because the oxygen bonds with the hydrogen over a long enough period of time that enough water puts all the fire out.

This is officially the one conspiracy theory I will believe.

Anyways, time to go spread the idea among the flat earthers and such.

[safe dragon]

yup definitely true

it's well known that stars are on fire and rely on oxygen

[supple ether]

SDL is Simple DirectMedia Layer. It's a widely-used c++ cross-platform abstraction layer for windowing, input, sound, and opengl graphics. Many games engines and frameworks are built on top of it.

[safe dragon]

yeah it's used a lot

[devout vault]

I prefer SFML over SDL

[supple ether]

It's like that one xkcd comic but for the game industry

[devout vault]

Tried both back when I got into C++ over a decade ago

Admittedly I haven't really looked at anything since SDL2... any

But it being a C library instead of C++ does downgrade it a bit for C++ use in my opinion

(Since you don't have all the nice wrappers around pointery stuff)

[safe dragon]

though you have a gazillion bindings for it regardless

[supple ether]

I wouldn't want to write a game in any c variant tbh

Sounds like it would take a million years to do anything notable with

[devout vault]

SFML also has a slower development cycle since it's much less popular

...at least back when I used it, though I haven't gotten any pings on the discord about new releases lately

SFML 3 was in development for ages though, and only released relatively recently

[safe dragon]

I mean SDL3 took like 700 years

[cinder karma]

Got it. Awaiting assembly Wren game

[crystal wren]

There's also a fork that has some, um... pretty big criticisms of the original project: https://vittorioromeo.com/index/blog/vrsfml.html

[cinder karma]

The other joke would have been Java or Go btw

[crystal wren]

(And now I'm off to catch up on DMs! )

[supple ether]

I'm not chris sawyer lol

[devout vault]

Is that the RC2 guy?

[safe dragon]

did the math. Took 11-12 years

[cinder karma]

You're close!

[supple ether]

I've considered making games with java but the tooling really isn't there.

[cinder karma]

They'll fusion until iron

[supple ether]

Rollercoaster tycoon 1 & 2 and transport tycoon mainly

[devout vault]

I wondered why the name looked familiar, checked the SFML forum link and sure enough their username is one I recognize 😅

[crystal wren]

Some of the criticisms feel pretty valid, honestly.

To the point I'm kinda... marking this fork as something I might want to use.

[devout vault]

That's boring, putting out the fire with water is funner. Which is the only good criteria for what makes a good conspiracy theory

[safe dragon]

always fun to see forks on open source projects made out of some disagreement

they almost always die tho

[supple ether]

Redot moment

[safe dragon]

reminds me of some big argument I read at one point between the main godot dude and a lot of rendering engineers that were very opposed to what the godot guy wanted to do

[supple ether]

I wonder why? The renderer seems pretty solid?

[devout vault]

SFML 3 has been talked about since before 2.5.x (2018) but only released late last year.

I would go digging on the forums but they aren't loading right now. (HTTP 200, empty page)

[safe dragon]

from what I understand the godot guy likes to go with unconventional methods that go against well known wisdom of what works and/or performs well

godot isn't particularly known for good rendering performance so I'm willing to believe it

[supple ether]

I've never had problems with it, but I'm also not using it for high-fidelity 3d, so...

[devout vault]

Also somehow 2.6 was released in 2023, which is wild to me since I remember it being talked about way back when too.

Fun fact, that's also the first release which had scancodes. The first PR of which was made in 2014.

(There's also issue #1 for when they first moved to github, rendering masks, created in 2011 and finally completed last year)

[safe dragon]

it's also just a case of all of them being very opinionated people about rendering tech

all on the older side with decades of experience

[devout vault]

I also hear it's been improving a lot post 4.0

[safe dragon]

oh yeah

[devout vault]

But I haven't tried it myself

[safe dragon]

that was a big part of godot 4 from what I understood

[devout vault]

Yeah, but I mean even after 4.0 itself

[safe dragon]

yeah it continues

[crystal wren]

Eventually the web export will support the .NET runtime.

Eventually.

[safe dragon]

thing about rendering too from what I've heard is that the godot guy essentially wanted to do it himself so he took that and then no one could really make big changes till 4.0 when the vulkan rewrite was done

[supple ether]

I definitely think there's some merit to experimenting with new ideas, but at the same time some things are already figured out

[crystal wren]

I've heard those things too, honestly. I'm inclined to believe them, but am also entirely unqualified to say if they make sense or not.

[devout vault]

They do have a prototype for it now...

[crystal wren]

Yup! I'm watching that issue like a hawk.

[safe dragon]

can't wait to ship the .net runtime to the web in more ways than just Blazor

[supple ether]

I do think sdfgi is a huge benefit for older and lower-spec hardware

[safe dragon]

people do like sdfgi I think

[devout vault]

That + libgodot would mean I can use my hypothetical game IDE for game jam games

[supple ether]

Which is a demographic that tends to get ignored by the other major engines

[crystal wren]

Right? The lack of web support is why I'm really, really hesitant to hard target Godot.

[safe dragon]

unreal engine scoffs at your midrange gpu

first gotta turn off half the default graphics settings

[supple ether]

Unreal would probably obliterate my 1660

[safe dragon]

I've been told you can make unreal engine 5 perform well but unlike most its competitors it tends to default to expensive rendering features being on instead of off

[devout vault]

Just stick with UE4, problem "solved" (you can get away with ignoring it for longer)

[crystal wren]

But then you miss the nice drawer-like content panel in UE5. /j

[devout vault]

I don't know what that is

But I'm not a fan of a lot of modern game engine UI layouts in general 😛

[supple ether]

One of these days I kinda want to try writing something with love2d.

[devout vault]

(There's a reason this hypothetical thing's UI leans closer to my memories of Game Maker 7, over current engines like Godot)

[safe dragon]

bevy doesn't have an editor so it can't have a bad UI which means it's the best one

[supple ether]

Gm7 was the goat

[devout vault]

I wish I still had some of my old game prototypes

Especially the old MP one using 39dll

[worn remnant]

i prefer SDL, but i also prefer C, so my opinion is barely worth its throwing distance

[safe dragon]

I prefer raylib (I've never used any of them)

[devout vault]

True, anyone who prefers C clearly has inherent trash opinions /s

[cinder karma]

Every time I see this I laugh so much

[safe dragon]

nice and simple

[devout vault]

Finished reading this:

[dusty pollen]

joke's on you, a decent bunch of them don't believe stars even are what they are

there's a significant amount of them that doesn't believe in gravity