programmers-off-topic

[dusty pollen]

the ADHD torture of waiting 10s with no stimulation

[crystal wren]

Multiple monitors. Videos live in the periphery basically permanently.

[devout vault]

Must've been a DM from someone else seeing as our DMs don't go quite that far back 😛 (Earliest I have is december that year)

[dusty pollen]

(I actually didn't get that many viruses after the "internet explorer ad bar" era lmao, but I remember the effort of getting rid of those vividly)

[thin estuary]

i kinda want a third, small screen now, exclusively for videos/streams

[devout vault]

Mood

(People probably don't say "mood" like that anymore, but I don't care in the slightest)

[crystal wren]

It was! I also don't technically want to "out" them because even though it was a nice thing to do, also technically done via DM?

[dusty pollen]

that's what I use my ipad for (except I only have one 19" monitor for my pc)

[devout vault]

(I didn't start doing it until after it stopped being used much I think)

[random summit]

I have an ipad next to me playing a video at all times when gaming

[devout vault]

My dad has a laptop with a tiny screen on the lower portion. Can't recall if it's the touchpad or something separate though

[thin estuary]

an iPad would be great... if it could act like a screen for a Windows PC without sub-based software

otherwise i'd have to live with ads

and that i cannot have

[devout vault]

Oh yeah I wasn't asking you to say who

[crystal wren]

There are some pretty cheap USB C secondary tablet-sized screens.

[devout vault]

I was just thinking I didn't remember talking about it specifically in DMs with you in particular 😛

[devout vault]

There are iOS ad blockers these days, not sure if they work with YT videos though

[dusty pollen]

I have a single monitor on a janky monitor arm, it's everyone's favourite resolution (1366×768) and is older than some people on this server

[thin estuary]

actually either that, or some software that would automatically position my Discord and PiP windows the way i want them, depending on the PiP window aspect ratio, and whether it is there to begin with

[dusty pollen]

best ad blockers in my experience are vpn-based ones like blockada or just a VPN with a clean web feature

[dusty pollen]

-# tiling wm

[crystal wren]

I've been meaning to set up a Pi-hole one of these days.

[thin estuary]

i have a dedicated vertical screen for Discord, where i often put my YT/Twitch PiP window, but it's annoying whenever i need to read anything behind it

i have heard of window managers for Windows, but i kinda... don't trust they work right? and also probably get you easily banned in any game that uses anti-cheat software

[devout vault]

My mobile browser was able to start a YT video fine without ads but not sure if that's luck, the video I chose (EthosLab MC LP episode 592), or actually from the adblocker

[thin estuary]

and i'm already banned from Destiny 2, for what i assume is LittleBigMouse usage, because Microsoft still can't figure out screens can have different DPI and i gotta fix their issues myself

[devout vault]

hisssssssssssss
(I might actually be fine with these if I could, like, only have it one monitor)

Or on a steam deck with a wider screen or something (have a wiki or something open on the side)

[dusty pollen]

I wouldn't know tbh, I only use window managers on linux haha

I've been using windows recently because I cba to deal with linux setup for games and this pc doesn't have enough storage for dual boot and I hate this OS with a passion

[crystal wren]

Proton not working well enough?

[devout vault]

I somehow keep forgetting that you worked on Aether (despite remembering you modding in MC and possibly Terraria, though I might be thinking of one of the other modders who did both)

[dusty pollen]

the other day I had to go into regedit because something mysteriously changed folders to be associated with something else and then I couldn't make new ones any more

[thin estuary]

i did mod both games

stopped modding Minecraft when they merged SP with MP

[crystal wren]

I definitely don't think I knew you worked on the Aether. That thing was great.

[dusty pollen]

I'll admit this is entirely because of the use case but my experience with proton made me steer clear whenever I don't have much energy

[thin estuary]

the game's engine HATED that kind of terrain

[dusty pollen]

-# ||did you know the sims 4 runs perfectly well on linux||

[thin estuary]

and honestly we didn't know how to fix it and threw random code at it until it was good enough

[crystal wren]

If I had to hazard a guess... lightning engine being too borked for that back then?

[thin estuary]

yeah

we had black spots all over the dimension

[crystal wren]

Yeah, it HATED wide open spaces back then.

[devout vault]

That's about when I started actually making things myself, at least substantially (I'm not counting the sponges mod)

[thin estuary]

it is pretty funny we both did a sponges mod

[crystal wren]

Well I made a Minecraft mod for Vivecraft that told me if the window lost focus, because that would break some of the controls. /j

[devout vault]

My mods were always pretty obscure so I think it's pretty safe to bet that yours had more of an audience 😂

[crystal wren]

Mine had an audience of the two people playing it with me.

[devout vault]

That reminds me, I still need to try vivecraft seated mode...

(the mouse/keyboard mode)

[dusty pollen]

is that vr

[crystal wren]

Yup!

[devout vault]

(some might say that defeats the point. I say that lets me enjoy it without having to sweat the equivalent of the five great lakes in an hour, even pretending I could be physically active that long)

[random summit]

Why am i watching this chat

[dusty pollen]

I can't emphasise how little I can relate to wanting vr

[thin estuary]

i'm glad The Aether got kingbdogz that job at Mojang, not that we keep in touch at all, just happy for them

[dusty pollen]

I asked my magic 8 ball and it said "inconclusive, ask again later"

[random summit]

The closest i’ve ever gotten to programming is minecraft command blocks

[devout vault]

I was wondering about that when you brought it up the mod. Like, did he do over half of the project (at least from the perspective of the role they hired for), or did they just pick the most prominent name attached

[crystal wren]

That scarier to me than anything programming wise.

[dusty pollen]

dh, have you ever tried Scratch?

[thin estuary]

he continued the project into The Aether 2

honestly idk what was the team after the SP/MP merge

[devout vault]

I saw a video in my YT recommendations about those old command blocks that expanded into a bunch more command blocks when run and how that isn't really done anymore. (Specifically this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RjnIrk7XI8 )

[dusty pollen]

I once had to try to build a sorting algorithm in scratch (to prove to my teacher it wasn't possible with the technical limitations so he was setting up all of his GCSE students to be unable to get an A)

[random summit]

I saw that one earlier today

The only good purely command block based thing i’ve done is recreating functional item blocks from super mario bros.

[crystal wren]

Oh wow, I was far too old to be the target audience for Scratch when it came out. Didn't realise it was so... relatively recent.

[devout vault]

The closest thing I've used to scratch was the "visual" blocks in game maker 7

[dusty pollen]

it was already around (albeit in early stages) when I made that game I was talking about before, because everyone else in the finals of the competition it was for was using it haha

[devout vault]

Not even node based like modern visual programming, it was just plain terrible 😂

[thin estuary]

so many career success stories in my life though.

1. tinkered with Minecraft mods, teamed up with kingbdogz and others, kingbdogz got a job at Mojang
2. tinkered with Terraria mods, teamed up with Yoraiz0r, Grox the Great and others, the two of them got jobs at Re-Logic
3. tinkered with Stardew mods... yeah, got nothing here rofl
4. tinkered with Cobalt Core mods, got myself a contract with its devs

[dusty pollen]

wait I'm gonna remake my favourite thing to do in scratch

[crystal wren]

Reminder that FNAF was made in something that looked like this:

[devout vault]

Re: 3 - I guess you didn't team up with Pathos or Flash or me so us getting contract work doesn't count? 😛

[random summit]

I might recreate the super mario blocks again one day
The code somehow broke

[crystal wren]

Easily the least intuitive visual scripting system I've ever touched.

[thin estuary]

yeah haha

glad for you though!

[devout vault]

I've never used the clickteam stuff, that looks horrifying

[crystal wren]

That's a good way to put it!

[crystal wren]

And damn, a contract with the devs? That's great!

[thin estuary]

i'd call it a job, but it isn't a position in their company, just an external developer contract, but to me that's probably even better

[crystal wren]

Sounds probably similar to Pathos/Casey/Myuu here, based on no information other than "I guess that's what it is".

[devout vault]

I do have some vague ideas for an actually good game development maybe-partially-somewhat-visual IDE. Like, somewhere between Game Maker (7, I haven't used anything more recent) and Godot? Since the former is too restrictive but the latter is almost too free for simpler stuff without a bunch of custom editor plugins.

A key part of it though would be letting you edit the IDE though. Like, with a Minecraft-like, specifically letting you make a new "type of types" altogether for Block with stuff tailored to it, in a more streamlined way than simply doing it all by hand with a bunch of .cs/.json files.

At that point though it might be better as a Godot plugin, but something about Godot just feels a bit more cumbersome for "content" use cases (ie. what most modders for example would need) rather than "core engine/gameplay" use cases.

[thin estuary]

i get to do my normal iOS daily job with stable income, and whenever i have time, i get to work on Cobalt Core stuff and get paid for that too

[devout vault]

(But of course a bit part of it would be letting you poke under the hood when you need to - but in a way that's not overwhelming for people who don't need that to begin with)

[crystal wren]

Might be a decent idea to fork GDevelop and work from there?

Wait, I thought it was open source...

[devout vault]

I've never looked at that one

[devout vault]

The website says it is

Oh, the paid plans are a bit odd

[crystal wren]

I haven't really played with it for more than a few minutes, but it is a nice kind of GameMaker-like.

[devout vault]

Free plan lets you "publish" (presumably export?)... once per day? Huh???

[crystal wren]

Yeah, last time I looked at it I don't remember this nonsense...

[devout vault]

The website doesn't seem to want to show me anything about the actual interface

Could just make something on top of Godot like RPG in a Box I suppose

But I'm not a fan of Godot's UI system for some reason

I mean, better than hand coding it all, sure

[crystal wren]

RPG in a Box is really cool, though.

[devout vault]

But like... it's just so tedious with all the node stuff

I dunno

Plus an IDE type thing really doesn't need a framerate for most of the interface

[crystal wren]

You say this, but I once found a bill tracking app was clearly made in Unity. I... I lost some sanity that day.

[dusty pollen]

windows vista(?) and all?

[devout vault]

See, I'm not opposed for some things - like Stardew Editor in ye olde days. But for more "serious" things I feel like it's a bit more important

[crystal wren]

I still have mod ID 9009 saved for my Stardew Editor-type idea that might at some point be made...

[devout vault]

Oh, GDevelop is a javascript engine. tosses in garbage

[crystal wren]

Wait, like... at the core? I thought they just allowed that for scripting.

[devout vault]

Also feel kinda weird about them having open source contributions and stuff but also seemingly have a big focus on monetizing it. (Even if the engine is technically available otherwise.) But that's hardly unique to them

[crystal wren]

It could have been great. /j

GameMaker's investigating adding C# I believe, though. Doesn't really help the other... aspects of the business model though.

[devout vault]

I imagine it'll just be scripting and not what I have in mind

[crystal wren]

Oh no, it'll definitely just be scripting.

[devout vault]

But that is intriguing considering I didn't think you could have full blown custom functions and stuff on objects, even today?

[dusty pollen]

but can you do this in gamemaker? checkmate atheists

[devout vault]

If I had game maker installed I would throw this on a sprite and post a gif here with a message like "well yeah, and it's really easy" 😛 (let's ignore the actual point (drawing that dynamically presumably), as one does in these sorts of conversations)

[devout vault]

They're working on MP support? And VR??? (I didn't even know they had first person support)

[crystal wren]

That "export to Godot" could be pretty big...

[cyan shadow]

Oh hey, the Godot Foundation is Dutch

[crystal wren]

Blender is Dutch too!

[cyan shadow]

Annual reports are out of date though, wonder what their obligations to the Belastingdienst (tax service) are

[cyan shadow]

Wheeeee

[dusty pollen]

guys the lawyers took control of her, it's too late she's been fully lawyerised

[devout vault]

Not the lawyers!

[dusty pollen]

they're almost as bad as the programmers

[cyan shadow]

I'm just curious, is all!

It's not like I know anything about tax law beyond what to call it in Dutch

(This includes Indian income tax law, I hated that course with every fibre of my being)

[devout vault]

You can't talk about programmers like that in this channel! Are you crazy? It's literally #programmers-off-topic (citation needed re:topic)!

[dusty pollen]

excuse you

I will speak the truth

[safe dragon]

so is the python creator

and the creator of vim

unavoidable

[crystal wren]

Okay, but we're talking about things that make the Netherlands look good, so why include Python? /j

I really am coming around to it, though. The package management aspect is... hellish still, though.

I've basically completely adopted it for simple script tooling, because anything is better than shell script.

[uncut seal]

it's a god send for quick scripting tho

yeah

[devout vault]

Is this a joke I'm too C#-acclimated to understand.

(I'd be much faster writing a top level statement C# program than making a python script for the same thing)

[crystal wren]

With dotnet 10's new script running thing, I might be switching it back out for that, yeah.

[devout vault]

I haven't heard about that

[crystal wren]

https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/announcing-dotnet-run-app/

Literally just dotnet run source-file.cs.

[safe dragon]

it's neat

very early in development but neat

[devout vault]

Huh, neat

I wonder how compilation times affect this

[safe dragon]

watching C# go from the complete Java style bloat to less and less bloat

can't go further than this tho

I think

Just wait till they add print

Console.Writeline was too bloated

[devout vault]

Okay, so, startup performance? Not great...

(From the same page linked)

[devout vault]

My hello world app problems re: C#-to-java-nonsense agrees

[safe dragon]

it's still very early in development to be fair

it doesn't even fully work yet

[devout vault]

(though that's mostly because of ROS stuff I think)

[safe dragon]

let alone be fast

[devout vault]

Ah

[safe dragon]

.net 10 isn't even in preview yet I think

[devout vault]

I thought it was considered "release ready", didn't look at the date of the post

[safe dragon]

honestly doubt it's truly release ready even when .net 10 comes out

[devout vault]

I haven't kept up with .net versions lately so I thought we might be on 12 or something by now

[safe dragon]

nope

one release a year

[devout vault]

So since it mentioned .net 10 I was like "oh it's been out for a while how haven't I heard of this"

[devout vault]

Pfft. As if I have any semblance of a sane sense of time left at this point

[safe dragon]

mood

[crystal wren]

Yeah the startup time is HORRENDOUS right now.

[cinder karma]

I'm still gonna use python

[cinder karma]

It's fine tbh, I'm not expecting that of a compiled language

How are we doing today, programmers

[uncut seal]

too hot and humid

am melting

[crystal wren]

The surface of my desk is approximately 27C. I am also puddle.

[devout vault]

.wolfram 27C in F

[heavy dagger]

80.6 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)

[devout vault]

laughs in having-experienced-FL-temps

(okay, more likes "cries", but clearly this is a competition, right????)

[cinder karma]

It's toasty

[crystal wren]

I've experienced 40C, and it's... not nice. Have to imaigne Florida gets way worse than that!

[cinder karma]

Alright. Awake and coffee and

[devout vault]

.wolfram 40C in F

[heavy dagger]

104 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)

[cinder karma]

.wolfram maximum summer high temp in Florida

[heavy dagger]

(no data available for Florida during 10:30 pm EDT | Friday, June 20, 2025 to 2:19 pm EDT | Monday, September 22, 2025)

[cinder karma]

Boring

[devout vault]

How is FL's record high in 1931, how old is that data

But yeah, it doesn't get like above 110 or anything crazy like that

[crystal wren]

Not sure: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes

[devout vault]

But when you're stuck inside and the AC isn't working... well...

[crystal wren]

California is, unsurprisingly, death.

[devout vault]

s u f f e r i n g

[cinder karma]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremes

Noaa they assume

[pliant snow]

Gamer top tip I just learned: if you have a display that runs higher than 60Hz but don't want some stupid game running at 180 FPS and eating up you GPU when it really doesn't add anything, Mangohud has a feature where you can set a keybind to cap the FPS on the fly, it's fantastic

[cinder karma]

I prevent stupid games from eating resources by not playing them

[hardy jewel]

(I rise to put forth having experienced 50c during the aussie bush fires I bet by logic that few can beat that)

[cinder karma]

Otoh, literal quote from me

Is there a game by thr name overthink or smth

(Apparently, it was Outer Wilds)

[devout vault]

.wolfram 50c in f

[heavy dagger]

122 °F (degrees Fahrenheit)

[cinder karma]

Shell script is also growing on me

[devout vault]

I pass the suffering crown to you.

[crystal wren]

Yeah, you win this fight by default for pure location.

[cinder karma]

What

Australia?

[uncut seal]

I'm not competing into anything, I have extremely low heat tolerance, and it's even worse with humidity

[crystal wren]

Yeah, I'm just like a walking furnace even in cold weather.

[cinder karma]

I'm both a walking furnace and a Texas runner

Clocked at both wearing a skirt and flip flops in Boston winters and voluntarily running in the Texas summer.

[devout vault]

Completely understandable, there's a reason I often joke(?) about how the quantity I sweat, the most recent example being here, today: #programmers-off-topic message

[cinder karma]

These are godawful

I adopted the one my dad uses for travel

[crystal wren]

Aww, really? I've been kinda tempted to get one as a tiny little side screen.

[cinder karma]

Tbh my real issue was the inability to put the damn screen in a good place

But I also felt the contrast was flat

[grave meteor]

best buy open box if u have one near u is great

I have a 4 screen set up and i just pushed two ikea desks together

[dusty pollen]

I'm pretty sure the nearest best buy to dh is several hours' flight

[grave meteor]

again if theres one near by its great they also offer shipping

[worn remnant]

do they ship across the atlantic?

[crystal wren]

This appears to be my nearest one.

[cursive sigil]

Not even 5000km

[grave meteor]

☠️☠️ maybe just use eBay then

[dusty pollen]

so, how long a drive and how deep do you have to waterproof your car for?

ngl didn't know they were ever here in the first place

[worn remnant]

simply send it through the undersea internet cable. there's gotta be space in there

[dusty pollen]

You Wouldn't Download A Car USB-C Display

[devout vault]

Just enchant your tires with frost walker driver

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wouldn't-ratatouille-piracy-it's-a-crime-piracy-is-stealing-meme-gif-11554142448863112842

[dusty pollen]

had to look it up, I see it's a minecraft

[devout vault]

Indeed

You and atra need to get properly educated on minecraft

[cursive sigil]

I can give you a crash course iro

What if i turn it into puzzles

What do you have against blocks

[devout vault]

Completely unrelated but I saw a clip of the kaguya dub and suddenly want to rewatch the dub (again)

Then I heard the I'm in love with the villainess dub is pretty fun too so kinda want to rewatch that too (only ever saw that subbed, though)

And now I'm recalling I still need to read LN 4/5 of that show's source material. (Anime went partially through LN 2, think I got distracted after finishing LN 3)

[dusty pollen]

if I wanted to mine and/or craft I'd play stardew

[devout vault]

If someone has something against blocks just tell them to install the NoCubes mod. (spoilered for horror-level jumpscare)

[cursive sigil]

What about enslaving villagers and automating resources?

[devout vault]

With some of the cursed mods on nexus I wouldn't be surprised if the former exists for SDV.

Pretty sure the latter doesin some form or another

[cinder karma]

No seriously if I'm ever in the UK I'll show you this stupid thing

[cursive sigil]

I mean there's automate and resource generating machines

[cyan shadow]

Currys appear to have smol monitors instead

Portable ones

[cinder karma]

Smh you brits

Not buying the stupid insurance

[cyan shadow]

I bought insurance on my own for the first time this year, fun fact

Got myself personal liability and home contents insurance for not very much

[cursive sigil]

There's so many minecraft people here, have you ever considered doing a server with people from here? lol

[cinder karma]

DH is a brit and I'm a workaholic

[devout vault]

Yeah DH and I were talking about it for a while re:modpack options and preferred mods, until we realized "oh wait, timezones"

[devout vault]

Apparently I lied, looking through my kindle library I only read through LN 2 and so need to read 3 as well

[cursive sigil]

Yeah but if it's a server it's always on so everyone can play and there must be small timeframes to have more people on

[devout vault]

For me at least if I'm playing MP I want to actually be online with other people, not "SP but the world changes when I'm offline too".

At least for the specific case of DH and I, since under normal circumstances (ie. not with my current messed up sleep schedule) there wouldn't be much overlap

[cursive sigil]

I guess it also depends how many people we're talking about it, because if it's only a couple yeah i get it but if there's more there a good chance someone would be online at the same time

[devout vault]

My other barrier is I'd want to play with people I know, hence why I haven't looked much for other people with modded servers either

And I also would prefer smaller servers over larger ones, which sorta compounds the timezone thing

[cursive sigil]

Same on that, at least people i've interacted with before not complete strangers

[cursive sigil]

I meant like 5-10 people not 30 lol

[devout vault]

Ah. Yeah, that's fine, but still makes timezones more difficult than a ~30 server 😛

[cursive sigil]

Ah yeah for sure

[grave meteor]

servers are an insane amount of work

I own one and its just so absurdly time consuming

[cursive sigil]

Even for a small group?

[grave meteor]

for me its like for everyuone who likes 1 thing theres 3 who dont like it

you have to pay for the server, do upkeep make sure if there's\ corruption or issues u can debug or fix

[vestal hull]

I have a modded one but it's only up, like, periodically and for a handful of friends.

It's not actually high maintenance for me but I know people who do this and it sounds like a full-time job.

[cursive sigil]

I also did it once for a group of like 6 friends and it was chill but it's been a while since then

[grave meteor]

I have a lot of people and if ur letting online randos in it will be a big issue but otherwise its annoying to deal with if u have world corruption etc

[cursive sigil]

Whitelist is mandatory lol

[vestal hull]

The headache is me underestimating how stupid my friends can be every time.

[dusty pollen]

scarlett how many hyperfixations can one person have at once

[vestal hull]

My Windows taskbar rn. (VS, Anki, Affinity Photo, FL Studio, Modrinth, Baldur's Gate, Fallout NV, TES III - V)

[ivory shadow]

A Minecraft server full of programmers either runs perfectly (people understand how the game performance works and are careful with their builds) or it runs terribly (okay who's farm spawned 10,000 entities this time)

[devout vault]

There's a joke here along the lines of "I didn't ask how big the room is; I said I cast fireball" that I'm not clever enough to come up with

[grave meteor]

my devs will be like I wrote broken code and its YOUR fault

I spent hours trying to fix their broken code

[cursive sigil]

5 hands raise

[safe dragon]

I have a minecraft server live on my home server rn

[grave meteor]

I run through pebble

[safe dragon]

that old eink smartwatch

that'd be impressive

[devout vault]

I mean, there was a raspberry pi edition MC

[safe dragon]

I try to avoid hosting services

[devout vault]

Good luck getting enough mods to make me happy running on it

[safe dragon]

the pebble barely had enough computing power to show the time

[devout vault]

Sounds like we just need to remove more features

[safe dragon]

ok not true it could kind of show messages sent to it through Bluetooth

[devout vault]

"minecraft server but it's all void and you can't do anything but fly around and chat"

[grave meteor]

my server has a lot of people I cant avoid it

[safe dragon]

mine had like 10 people at the peak

very manageable

[grave meteor]

the disc for mine has nearly 600 people its just not possible for me I know id doxx myseldf

[crystal wren]

I wonder if my server posts are still on the Minecraft forums...

[safe dragon]

don't think anyone has actually logged in several months

[safe dragon]

fun

[grave meteor]

nope

[devout vault]

Shoutout to when I played modded MC with my brothers and they got demotivated because I got so far past them in every mod 💀

[crystal wren]

Sounds like what happened on Krobus, too.

[safe dragon]

skill issued

my sister uses my Minecraft account

[devout vault]

Also shoutout to my twin trying to kill me with Witchery stuff and it not working because one of my mods (Component Equipment) had the armor bugged and so even with the "guarenteed kill" method I was unaffected

[safe dragon]

I quit modded playthroughs like 4 hours in every time

[devout vault]

That's me more recently (assuming I even start to begin with, my ATM9 instance has been installed for two months at this point and I haven't actually played yet)

But I got almost all the way through Agrarian Skies 1 (basically just not some of the final incredibly grindy quests, main one I recall was for an absurd amount of cobblestone), and later a good way through Agrarian Skies 2

I'd never used forestry bees before then, and after experiencing Gendustry there was no way I'd want to do it the normal way

[safe dragon]

uh

I know what forestry bees are that's where my knowledge ends

[cursive sigil]

What are forestry bees

[safe dragon]

bees that produce things that aren't honey

[cursive sigil]

So instead of resource chickens there's bees now

[safe dragon]

you can crossbreed them and stuff and get funky bees producing diamonds for example

it has a whole system

I remember nothing about how it worked

[devout vault]

These predate resource chickens I'm pretty sure

[devout vault]

Yeah and the bees also had a bunch stats/traits that was affected by genetics. It must've been maddening to do in base forestry

And Agrarian Skies added Many Bees ™️ (new types)

[cursive sigil]

Really? Bees didn't exist in vanilla minecraft at the time but they might've existed in modded

[devout vault]

Yeah, forestry bees are literally nothing like vanilla bees

They're just items and machines, no actual entities

[cursive sigil]

Ah i see

[devout vault]

Couldn't find a screenshot, I have Agrarian Skies 2 installed (hardly played any) which has similar amounts of bees so let me check

[cursive sigil]

Ohhhh i remember those

Had completely erased them fron my memory aparently

I don't think i ever properly got into them though

[grave meteor]

i def havent I wanna get back into building but im too busy

[devout vault]

Beeeeeeeeeeees

[cursive sigil]

Not the beeeeees

The beealyzer you say

[devout vault]

(Gendustry is actually kinda horrifying even beyond the dna manipulation stuff, given the method for obtaining dna)

[cursive sigil]

You're making me want to get into modded minecraft again

[devout vault]

I forgot about that! I didn't use it much since once analyzed the important details were mostly in the tooltip and, well, gendustry 😛

[cursive sigil]

It's been years i don't even know where i'd start now

[devout vault]

Install one of the random way-too-large kitchen sink packs (or, alternatively, an "expert mode" pack). What could possibly go wrong?

[cursive sigil]

I get overwhelmed by those, i need a quest book and it needs to be in the sky lol

[devout vault]

I definitely need a quest book too. In the early days I was fine, not so much these days.

Though kitchen sinks often have quest books these days, like the one I have installed (All the Mods 9)

As for the sky, that's understandable too, there are still skyblock packs being made (and similar ones, like stoneblock (endless underground) and oceanblock (endless ocean))

[cursive sigil]

I loved stoneblock

[safe dragon]

I forgot minecraft itself has bees now

[devout vault]

I'd probably be up for doing a new agrarian skies 1/2 playthrough if it weren't for missing QoL features.

What do you mean a dedicated sprint button wasn't added until 1.7???? (Which is the version AS2 is on, to be fair, but there's plenty of other things)

[safe dragon]

I still double tap w

[devout vault]

I barely think about them. Any "technical builds" I do are in modded and so I don't exactly need honey blocks for crazy piston contraptions (and if I do, slime blocks are usually fine, I've never experimented with the stuff builds that would need both)

[cursive sigil]

I'm currently waiting to go on a plane but i might have a look at what's new when i get to my room

Where do you find modpacks these days?

[devout vault]

There's also just something to be said for packs carefully designed so that all the mods fit together well, rather than a custom "throw a bunch of mods together in the same pack and hope it isn't too unbalanced" like I used to do

[grave meteor]

curseforge (even if its evil) and other spots like modrinth

[cursive sigil]

Ugh

[devout vault]

CurseForge or Modrinth are the main two these days. I think stuff like Tekkit are still around too

Though you don't even have to interact with them much usually

I use prism launcher which has search for both built in

[cursive sigil]

This is very helpful thanks

[devout vault]

Occasionally there are mods that don't allow auto downloads, but prism launcher will give you a link to the auto download page and once it downloads it'll detect it in your downloads folder automatically

[cursive sigil]

Perfect

Ugh why did you have to do this to me

[devout vault]

The platforms prism launcher supports

[devout vault]

Because I need people to join me in my mc brainrot, duh

(Except mine isn't ending because I refuse to actually start playing it seems)

[cinder karma]

I don't blame you

The last time I started a stardew save it took 3 wks to pick out mods

[devout vault]

Depending on how long ago you did modded stuff (and how extensively you did it back when you did), FTB Academy might be decent? Supposedly it's specifically for people who haven't delved into modded before and can help you with a lot of the common mods. (For 1.12, but a lot of design principles still apply)

I've never tried it though

[cursive sigil]

I'll start looking into them again, we'll see how much i'll actually end up playing lol

[cinder karma]

Then I paused when I got to winter and sent out a bunch of PRs to deal with the winter lag

[devout vault]

I literally have the modpack set up though (ATM9 + like 30 additions I've gradually added)!

But I also have 25ish ideas on the "mods I want to make" list...

[cinder karma]

Yay!

[cursive sigil]

I did it extensively a long time ago like 1.7 but i also dabled a little bit like 2-3 years ago

[marble jewel]

Prism Launcher is the way to go. I'm about to start a new vanilla+ run for the next update.

[devout vault]

Sounds about like my trajectory (except instead of 2-3 years ago it's 2-3 years after I stopped)

[supple ether]

It's so much better than the vanilla launcher that it's unreal

[devout vault]

I would love to try out stuff like happy ghasts in an actual world but I just can't stick with vanilla and the lack of goals these days

[marble jewel]

My playstyle is to farm everything

[devout vault]

To be fair... that's not exactly a high bar. I could code a console app in 30 minutes that would probably be better

[cursive sigil]

If i play vanilla my goals are to make all the farms and automate everything

[devout vault]

Ah, but you see, I need my goals to have checkboxes that verify I did them and fun little sounds and rewards for bonus brain chemicals

[cursive sigil]

But it has been a while since i played vanilla too lol

[cursive sigil]

Yes that's what i need for modded

[marble jewel]

I mean technically vanilla goals can be tracked through the achievements

[supple ether]

That's why I like quest packs

[devout vault]

There's no way I could do vanilla by myself these days. I might could manage in a very active MP server, but I'm not much of a builder so it'd still trend to "unlikely"

[cinder karma]

We should do habitrpg

[cursive sigil]

And in the sky because otherwise i will just walk forever collecting things i don't need only to keep throwing them because i found more things i don't need

[cinder karma]

You think I'm kidding

I'm ☆☆not kidding☆☆

[cursive sigil]

I can't build at all either

[devout vault]

You've mentioned it before, but there's a reason I mentioned "that verify I did them" 😛

[supple ether]

I'm a pretty big builder but vanilla's pallete is so limited and many blocks are expensive or hard to get in large amounts

[cinder karma]

You wouldn't lie to me would you

[marble jewel]

I've thought about hosting a parallel creative world to design builds. I'm not much of a builder, but I think removing the survival restrictions might help me.

[safe dragon]

now introducing, a privacy intrusive habitrpg

[devout vault]

Yeah I kinda have a big "fill my backpacks with literally all the loot I come across until it becomes burdensome" problem when starting new packs

[cursive sigil]

Exactly, which is why i need it to be in the sky

[devout vault]

Probably not, but you see, there's also ignoring messages because I don't want to face not having done things. 😛 (I've literally done this with my parents at times, and we're incredibly close)

[supple ether]

Yeah I had like 100-something chests of crap before I set up a storage system

[devout vault]

A big problem for me is actually the infintie world stuff. Hence why one of my mod ideas is "framework for fixed-size worlds that still contain everything you need for a single playthrough"

(Obviously datapack driven, because I can't account for all modded content, much less make it all fit together well)

[cursive sigil]

That i could do probably

But infinite is just not working for me lol

[devout vault]

The idea is to have you specify a world size, and it tries to fit every biome and structure (perhaps with minimum occurences) in that size. In structured ways too, not haphazardly thrown about.

Optionally setting the actual world border, and/or having a "border biome" (like mountains or coast) followed by endless another biome (like wasteland or ocean or void)

I've got specific ideas for tying it into my skylands world gen mod too (like having occasional random islands generate in the endless void, but still have everything you need within the fixed size area)

(Skylands world gen mod is a whole other can of worms - I am not happy with any existing options, to say the least 😛 )

[supple ether]

Yeah

[devout vault]

(Also options for like "only have world spawn in these biomes" or "certain things can't be placed this close to world spawn")

[cinder karma]

-# howgoespacking

[supple ether]

I've wanted something with biome islands for ages, with like special dungeon islands and stuff

[devout vault]

Current skylands mods basically feel all the same everywhere, just with differnet biomes as coats of paint

[supple ether]

Yeah!

I want one that uses the heightmap for the island surface

[devout vault]

And usually aren't super configurable re:datapack, and so with modded content, getting the new ore and stuff is miserable since they assume normal world gen

"this ore generates near bedrock"
Well that's wonderful considering there are three (3) stone blocks, total, that low on the entire infinite map

[devout vault]

One of my main ideas involves not just the normal "spaghetti islands" approach that existing mods do (but rarer), but also floating continents essentially

[supple ether]

YEAH

How would you handle ocean biomes?

[devout vault]

I've also got some other interesting ideas, like literal rivers (maybe held in cloud blocks) between continents, and other "not just worldgen" stuff like wind currents (like ocean currents)

[devout vault]

Bowl

😛

Another idea is to have "layers", so all the continents aren't on the same y level.

And like there'd probably be a layer at the "bottom" of the world for "cave" type islands.

Big problem with this idea is I need to figure out a way to have sky lighting work differently, since I wouldn't want two "normal" continents on different layers to be lit differently if one is over the other

Also, I want waterfalls that don't fall endlessly. Like the terraria ones essentially

And originally hot air balloons - not valkyrie skies type stuff, more like boats that can fly. (So basically happy ghasts that aren't alive, but this idea predated my knowledge of happy ghasts, if they had even been announced yet)

And of course gliders

(My minecraft-skylands-world-gen.txt is over 8,000 characters long, I've thought about this quite a bit 😛 )

[cinder karma]

-# howgoespacking

[devout vault]

I literally just started DMing you about that

[cinder karma]

Argparse by default allows argument abbreviation

Brb.

I have feelings about this

[ivory shadow]

That's what Valheim does, afaik. The world is a set size, it generates random continents and islands, fills them with biomes using several rules based on position in the world augmenting randomness, and then populates a set number of each structure into the world.

In some cases, there are multiple locations where a thing can be and the first location a player discovers is used while the others are then discarded.

[crystal wren]

My last playthrough, I found the merchant guy on the EASTMOST CONTINENT.

I was unhappy.

[ivory shadow]

This will make you jealous then.

That is right between Bonemass and Moder for us

lol

[crystal wren]

https://tenor.com/bI1uT.gif

[ivory shadow]

lol

I'm disappointed I only found this mod after we started our latest world, because it seems neat. https://thunderstore.io/c/valheim/p/Riverheim_Dev/Riverheim/

(And might be relevant to Casey since it has rivers, but also likely isn't)

[ivory shadow]

Wow, that's such a bad spot to find the merchant lol

At least you have portals

[crystal wren]

And I did at least have a portal pre-made back at base, as is standard protocol.

So it was easy to get set up, but still.

[ivory shadow]

We all take portal kits with us when exploring. Enough resources to build a workbench and portal, and have dedicated receiving portals in our base.

The way you get 100% of resources back when destroying something is very nice

[safe dragon]

what game am I even looking at

oh valheim

I thought like "what kinda bizarre minimap mod is this"

thinking it was minecraft

[tranquil grove]

ours was reasonably walkable/swimmable from the starting area
though we didn't actually spot it for a while

[rain apex]

Is valheim a minimap game

[ivory shadow]

Nope.

[rain apex]

I thought it's a 3d actiony thing

Ok good

[ivory shadow]

We're just showing people how far stuff is using the in-game map.

[tranquil grove]

it's got a good building system and, uh, a lot of MMO-vibe mechanics that make it rough for solo/duo play

like the one merchant in existence who's just Somewhere (as of w/e early version I played)

I guess more like Rust/Ark/etc mechanics honestly, I just don't get into most of those

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, I enjoy the building system.

Frankly, in the game I've been messing around with making, I'm copying the building system.

While voxel building is cool, it's so much work and suddenly everything has to be voxel and you're spending all your effort making voxel things and

(For the record, the game idea I've been focused on for a month or two now is a survival crafty type game in a futuristic semi-apocalyptic setting like Borderlands. Building. Guns. Bosses you shoot with your guns.)

[crystal wren]

Yeah, Valheim's general building system archetype is my favourite. It definitely has some quirks I would want to fix myself, though.

[fleet wren]

seconding the fact valhelm's build system is so darn good

the UX is probably the most impressive part to me

[crystal wren]

(And technical details please? Just curious about what you're using, etc! )

[ivory shadow]

(Early pictures of our starting base because why not)

[tranquil grove]

yeah, iirc the load/weight system is a little picky and unintuitive, but the construction is fun and the designs end up naturally looking nice

[ivory shadow]

I don't have too many technical details at this point, just a bunch of notes and some work on a character controller so far. Using Godot. I do not like UE, and I do not trust Unity.

While my design goal started as "Borderlands but a survival game", I'm probably going to make the movement more Source engine like, but I'm still not sure where I'm taking it. Just need to make it feel good, but I think I should probably put it on hold once I finish the basics so I can focus on constructing an environment for them to move in.

My current plan is a procgen world with heightmap based terrain and entities on top of that like trees and plants and other harvestable things. Building like in Valheim, as mentioned.

But there's so much you can do with procgen and I have only the barest plans

I do like the idea of a constrained world size, rather than something infinite, though.

Practically, no one ever explores an infinite world. And you have to make a lot of trade offs about what it contains.

With a finite world size, you can plan things so much better.

[crystal wren]

@devout vault, we have another Godot person!

Yeah, exploration I do feel is hurt by procedural generation... for me, at least.

[ivory shadow]

When you're generating an infinite world, you're forced to generate it on demand basically since you can't pre-generate infinity. And because of that, you're always generating small amounts at a time for performance reasons.

So... yeah, you really can't get too fancy

I think what I'd like to do is simulate the actual physical processes of a planet

Start with tectonics, generate elevations and volcanos. Flood the world. Simulate a water cycle, run erosion. Generate rivers.

Once you've got a biosphere with biomes, run an entirely different set of logic for starting a civilization. Not, like, from scratch. In this case it'd be settlers coming to the planet from space and setting up a colony.

The one big caveat here is that it might make a realistic world but not an interesting world.

Tuning things for interesting is hard, lol

[cinder karma]

I want to see the formation of Antarctica khloe

(BTW that's super impressive )

[ivory shadow]

It's not super impressive, I haven't done any of it yet.

If I get anywhere, then maybe it'll be impressive. But I'm still on the basics of basics. I just wanted to share thoughts since DH asked

[crystal wren]

That's actually something I want to do sort of at design time for one of my future games.

Just to get the basic continental layout, and then go in and design stuff. Semi simulate a potential history, etc.

[cinder karma]

Khloe, I haven't done a single God damn interesting thing outside of work for like four months

Other than this

Just let me be impressed

[supple ether]

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/csharp/language-reference/proposals/field-keyword

This is interesting, though I'm not entirely sure how useful it is

[cinder karma]

It's not really

[terse galleon]

this made me go down a whole rabbit hole of “how long did it take for earth’s oceans to fill” and now i’m that 🤏 much more scared of geology

[ivory shadow]

I should probably look more into how dwarf fortress simulates history, I know that game does a ton, even if I don't play it

[rain apex]

Yeah the quick run through of the world history is really cool

[ivory shadow]

Hadn't seen that before, but it looks like it basically is just there so you can be slightly lazier when writing a property with custom behaviors by not needing to declare your own backing field for it

I can see the use for it, but like, it just saves a single line of code declaring a backing field yourself, so

[rain apex]

Sometimes i want this, and when i do i just refactor it into having actual named field

[ivory shadow]

It's definitely not terrible though. Since you're not explicitly defining the backing field, you can't do anything like accidentally use it instead of the property. If that's an issue.

[rain apex]

Yeah I have done this...

Especially when using inpc source gen where you really gotta remember not to

[cinder karma]

Oh wait I got it confused

With the field access modifier

Mind changed I've been wanting that for a while

Today my life is realizing that python type annotation has changed between 3.6 and 3.12

I will not elaborate

[crystal wren]

The history aspect I actually want to do manually, but I just gave a weird fascination with a physically stimulated planet to start with as a base.

[ivory shadow]

I think the thing I'm looking forward to is trying to procgen structures and settlements in a way that makes sense.

No long twisting tunnels that lead nowhere, no spaghetti hallways

[supple ether]

This is the main use I see for it, especially when used with sourcegen

[marble jewel]

Have you played Enshrouded? I haven't played it yet, but I've read some reviews saying it's one of the best build systems that they've used.

I have played Valheim, so I wonder how it compares. Because I agree, Valheim was pretty good.

some of Valehim's gameplay is a bit too hardcore for me, so I definitely used mods to make it a bit more casual to my liking

[ivory shadow]

Enshrouded building is pretty great too. I've put a lot of time into it. The biggest issue is that you have more trouble building at angles because it's a voxel cube system

Enshrouded also lacks a procedural world, so on one hand exploration is more interesting... but on the other hand once you've seen it all, you've seen it all

[marble jewel]

On a loosely related note, I'm starting a new Grounded playthrough (leading up until the Grounded 2 early access). It certainly doesn't have the best build system, but it's decent and works well for the Grounded world.

I enjoy just about any game where there is potential to build farms

[ivory shadow]

I haven't tried Grounded. I am not good with insects.

[marble jewel]

If you have a thing with Spiders, they have an arachnophobia slider that turns them into something like this

[rain apex]

egg

[cinder karma]

I love spiders

[ivory shadow]

Not just spiders

But I appreciate games that do that, no matter how derpy it is

[devout vault]

That looks pretty nice from the screenshot shown

[devout vault]

This sounds like something Dwarf Fortress might be doing 😛

[ivory shadow]

It seems to be doing fairly well given the constraints of Valheim's terrain system. I've looked at a couple videos of people flying around in its terrain.

[devout vault]

Another game re: fixed size world and proc gen - Terraria! I always enjoy those though I often like to use a mod that puts both crimson and corruption in the same world

[devout vault]

Was satisfactory the other one I can think of with arachnophobia settings?

[ivory shadow]

I haven't played that so I couldn't say, but I know Enshrouded has such a setting.

[devout vault]

It is, looking for a good video (not gif because sound is important from what I recall)

[ivory shadow]

I remember seeing a game devlog on YouTube recently that replaced spiders with lawn gnomes

Which is 10/10 compared to inventing weird blob aliens that just happen to move exactly like spiders just without legs

Wait no it wasn't lawn gnomes, I don't know why my brain went there

[devout vault]

(Watch with sound)
(Spoilered for no good reason really, it's not phobia-triggering at all)
|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcAbYczBgsU ||

While I think it's hilarious I don't think I could actually play with it for presumably obvious reasons. 😅 My fear of spiders isn't that big of a deal for video games though, it's more hatred/slightly unsettling

[ivory shadow]

It was just really short knights

[devout vault]

In some ways it's more terrifying than spiders

[ivory shadow]

This was the video I was thinking of: https://youtu.be/SWPxW1zE-tQ?t=484

Timestamped to the spider replacement

[devout vault]

I forgot I can't watch YT embeds in discord because my adblocker can't reach there

I tried to open the video once I paused on the ad and it just... opened the ad video link instead of the actual video??? Ugh

[ivory shadow]

10/10 YouTube embed that's definitely what was wanted

[devout vault]

Oh, tiny knights. That's interesting

Not as bizarre as satisfactory 😛

[ivory shadow]

It works for that game, since all the enemies are knights

[devout vault]

Unrelated, but I realized if the “Godot as a library” thing is functional, I could make my custom IDE thing (mentioned within the past few days) using that

And I could get features like nav maps and fancy lighting for free 😛

[devout vault]

Ah, that makes sense. And is more reasonable in-universe than the satisfactory route

[ivory shadow]

Something else that annoys me about anti-spider settings is it always just applies to spiders themselves and not all the webs and stuff

[devout vault]

Brb modding satisfactory webs to be tangled yarn

I can almost see why that would be even more unsettling though - like your brain expects spiders because of all the webs but can't find them which is terrifying in an entirely different way

[ivory shadow]

Had to go find a picture. You can see the anti-spider spiders in Enshrouded here. Look at those, imagine them in a setting with lots of webs and stuff around, and tell me they are not-spidery enough.

Entirely missed the mark as far as I'm concerned.

[devout vault]

Yeah that's uh... basically just more cartoony spiders with less legs and eyes

[ivory shadow]

That's not a not-a-spider, that's just programmer art of a spider

[devout vault]

If I make a game where there's a quest to clear a dungeon of spiders, the only option for clearing it will be "burn the entire thing to the ground"

[ivory shadow]

Some spiders in games I'm okay with. Minecraft spiders are too derpy to fear.

[devout vault]

How about stardew spiders

[devout vault]

There are mods for that

(I've seen a MC mod that adds more joints to the legs, and also makes it so they actually change body orientation when climbing walls. Yeah, no thanks)

Oh those are actually two mods

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, I've seen those mods too.

[devout vault]

The climbing one is "Nyf's spiders", unsure what the legs one was.

But I'm not exactly thrilled by the idea so I won't spend any more time looking

[ivory shadow]

The clear solution for my game is to just not include spiders at all

There's no rule that there has to be spiders

[devout vault]

You wouldn't even need to see the spiders with my idea.

It would literally be just be "hey I have this area infested with spiders, could you go burn it down for me" sort of thing

All the spiders are indoors and you aren't allowed to go inside

Alternatively? Make that the only solution the player character is willing to do. Bonus points if you don't tell the NPC that's how you're solving it until after the fact

[crystal wren]

The perfect mods to include for my next ||VR playthrough||!

(Spoilered for a reason, technically!)

[ivory shadow]

I've tried playing MC that way once, it was... uh. An experience lmao

Granted, that was... uh... how many years ago did the Vive come out?

[crystal wren]

...it's been nine years.

I do not like this.

[ivory shadow]

[insert that one gif here]

Every now and then I think of buying a modern VR set, but literally the only thing I think I'd actually do with it is just... Beatsaber.

[devout vault]

See, the main reason I'd use it isn't even for the controls (because I'm terribly out of shape). It's purely for the camera headset

[ivory shadow]

Beatsaber was my primary form of cardio for several months at one point

[devout vault]

I'd use it for mouse/keyboard... though it could be interesting to mix that with hand recognition too, like tapping a window to switch to it while in a "fullscreen" app (like MC VR)

[devout vault]

w h y https://modrinth.com/mod/curvy-pipes

And it has support for some mods too.

What's even more unfortunate is it actually seems useful in some situations compared to existing solutions.

[safe dragon]

it was also written in rust

[lethal walrus]

"Feel free to distribute" but its licensed as ARR?

[devout vault]

How cursed. Me wanting to compile C# to run in the JVM is different okay???

[devout vault]

Maybe they mean for modpack use? Since modern ones don't actually contain the mods themselves but a link to download them from the appropriate platform

[safe dragon]

of course

[grave meteor]

Source code prob protected but mod is free to distribute

Yeah they don't have a GitHub linked so deffo the case

[crystal wren]

Yeah, I think Pillow's just confused at "all rights (distribution included) reserved... but feel free to distribute it anyway!"

Which semantically is kinda funny.

[grave meteor]

in the MC community it mostly means source code

I believe

its odd but people really dont like to release source code idk how it is here tho

[crystal wren]

From here:

Open source

• We have 3,411 tracked C# mods, of which
• 2,210 mods (65%) have a source code repo, with
• 1,175 (53%) in a multi-mod repo and 1,035 (47%) in a single-mod repo.

Quite open here, typically!

[grave meteor]

yeah with mc I think its also a tad different bc server exclusivity is a big thing

a big draw at least for my server (why our mods source isnt open) is so we have that level of well u can only get this here

[devout vault]

I counted how many upcoming anime I'm going to watch (or at least start and maybe like) for the summer season. There's 17. (Not counting one or two I might try but don't expect to stick with) For reference I think there's like half that number this season, though to be fair that's excluding a few I missed a week and haven't kept up with since.

And somehow none on mondays for next season.

[grave meteor]

lmk if theres any good ones. I need more inspo for my mc mod

ive been on a big tokyo ghoul kick tho

[devout vault]

Good is too subjective, especially since my metric is "did I enjoy it" (which includes a lot of things people call bad)

[grave meteor]

tokyo ghoul sucks to a lot of people

but I like it

[cyan shadow]

Content mods tend to be closed source or source available at best, but that's because artists and writers tend to want to reserve rights over the original components of their mods. C# mods don't typically have this issue, so they're usually open.

That's my theory, anyway

[rain apex]

I think they were talking about this one mc mod

Although it's basically like winrar isnt it, free to use but technically u should pay

[cinder karma]

Closed source mods baffle me

[grave meteor]

mc mods ye

I get why its closed, esp if theres stuff they want to protect like textures etc

[rain apex]

Coulda dual licensed

[grave meteor]

mc is mostly kids they might just be a child

[cyan shadow]

I'm planning to do that for my own stuff, yeah

[worn remnant]

i get why a lot of modders' instinct is not to release source code, but for me it's one of those quick trigger opinions that falls apart under even brief scrutiny.
people like to think they have discovered the secret code sauce and they want to keep it for themselves, but the truth is like the dragon warrior scroll from kung fu panda: you're not special and your code is not special. it's just you. far better to let others see it, so they can learn from it, or tell you how you can learn from theirs.
plus approximately nobody's gonna look at your code anyway, so why bother keeping secrets lol

[safe dragon]

nah my code is special

not good but definitely special

[pliant snow]

its ✨ unique ✨

[worn remnant]

("everyone's special, dash")

[grave meteor]

the issue is people steal and a lot

I dont want my models stolen but if someone reaches out I provide help and code for what I have done

[rain apex]

The dual license thing is just you saying "hey you can use this but not that"

[grave meteor]

I just dont publish any open source personally bc people tend to still steal from the communities ive been in

[rain apex]

Sure if that's what you feel is best

[worn remnant]

the other benefit of releasing your code instead of helping people on demand is that then you can help them asynchronously, or without even having to do anything, instead of having to have an email conversation or whatever

[rain apex]

I don't personally see code as something stealable cus anyone can look at the problem and come up with something along those lines

[grave meteor]

My code has custom models and assets

thats the issue idc if people use my code as ref

[rain apex]

And if i shortcut that for ppl they can focus on polish

[crystal wren]

(In Minecraft, models are often very human readable code I believe is the distinction I think might be confusing people here?)

[grave meteor]

the issue is the time and effort the artists took bc people will shameless claim they made it, unfortunately

[rain apex]

Yeah but u can just not release that no?

[grave meteor]

not for mc modding no

[crystal wren]

They could still be dual licensed, though.

[marble jewel]

My trick is that my code is written so poorly, that anyone stealing my code is punishment enough

[crystal wren]

Hey, that's my trick.

[grave meteor]

they can but they still are stolen unfortunately

[rain apex]

Not release under a permissive license i mean

[grave meteor]

again mc community is mostly kids so its like a losing battle that id rather avoid

[worn remnant]

protip: nothing can actually prevent this, so you had better just not do modding i guess

[crystal wren]

Yeah, it's a fair choice to make. But the choice of license doesn't really impact people stealing it or not.

[grave meteor]

thanks for the advice but not having it published does prevent it for me

[crystal wren]

Yup, super fair!

This is downloaded automatically via data pack from the server I assume?

[grave meteor]

yeah but all the assets are within a jar file

I split resources like client side and server side aspects

[marble jewel]

How do you protect against elite hackers who know how to rename .jar files to .zip? /lh

[grave meteor]

theyve earned it if they do that

[rain apex]

But eh i think that's basically like not wanting to release sdv mod cus you don't want ppl taking ur pngs

[grave meteor]

most kids cant even install the modpack

im sure they cannot do that

[crystal wren]

And then if they did, they probably end up on the Bedrock store for money...

[grave meteor]

yeah so its really just like a child lock

ik it is but it prevents the people I dont want taking my code from taking it

[crystal wren]

It's the equivalent of changing SSH's default port, I guess might be a nice way to look at it.

[grave meteor]

I have no issues with people seeing my code I just dont want some 12 year old to be annoying and steal it

Ive always sent my code if Ive felt it helped and advocate for resources for people to look at to help them. I am not good at coding I am not hiding any "elite code"

[marble jewel]

So in other words, this

[grave meteor]

yes this is all I care to prevent from little 12 year old kids

[crystal wren]

If I have any elite code to hide, it's because I stole it from someone else. /lh

[marble jewel]

I just realized there's some irony in that image being shared without crediting the original author

[grave meteor]

bro I got told by my prof that my code was not what he wanted then watched him generate AI code for 20 mins

it was so painful for my feelings

[tranquil grove]

not the first time I've seen that irony mentioned w/ that specific image
people dig up the credits once in a while, though I don't have them on hand

[marble jewel]

It's one of those things where the meaning hits harder without the credits. The meme has taken a life of its own

[cinder karma]

Now add chatgpt

[safe dragon]

add a "created by midjourney" watermark

[devout vault]

I almost want to go ask an AI to recreate the meme to complete the joke, but I couldn't post it here anyways

[grave meteor]

im ass at coding and I will not code with AI so sometimes I think people are unhappy with the quality and speed of my work but im lit learning

[uncut seal]

I support this way of learning

[cursive sigil]

My eyes, why would you do this to them

[supple ether]

I'm not opposed to the idea, but I rarely play modded on large servers any more because it always involves restrictions on what blocks and items you're allowed to use, and it can be difficult to find a sufficiently large building space bc most servers don't do spawn spreading, or don't do it over alarge enough area

[grave meteor]

I rarely restrict items if too OP ill code them to be less OP

[supple ether]

I usually just locally host a server for me and a few friends

[grave meteor]

my discord is like 600 peeps at this points I cant just host local

[supple ether]

Usually it's not for balance reasons but for anti-grief protection or anti-lag reasons

[grave meteor]

I noramlly dont run into those too much

[supple ether]

Well yes, that's why I contrasted it with large public servers

[grave meteor]

i didnt know if u thought I had a small one or not haha

I just wanted to be clear

[supple ether]

Maybe I'll give public servers another try. It's been a while

I do miss playing in an environment with actual player economy and chatting

[grave meteor]

I need to do sm revamp on my server I really jsut wanna get drunk and mod SDV

[devout vault]

Yeah, I would like that, but past about a dozen people I think I'd quickly get overwhelmed

[cursive sigil]

same, but i'd love that so much

[grave meteor]

gotta just log on only in the middle of the night

[devout vault]

That will be difficult once I get back to needing a regular sleep schedule

[cursive sigil]

is needing one enough to make you have one?

[devout vault]

Well, at least given some upcoming life circumstance changes, at least for a little while probably

[cursive sigil]

i'm jealous you can do that, i just suffer

Hope the circumstance changes are positive ones

[devout vault]

I mean, I anticipate much suffering, I just won't have a choice

[devout vault]

Eh, there is some positive but it's mostly negative

[grave meteor]

speaking of sleep my cat is knocked tf out on me sleeping

[cursive sigil]

I'm sorry to hear that

[marble jewel]

I remembered this discussion, and can now confirm that not only do onions make me gag, but I have an official diagnosis of ASD-1 as of 40 minutes ago. So I think you're on to something here.

[devout vault]

I read the message you responded to before your message and was like "I don't remember saying that recently"

Anyways: Interesting

One day I should probably get it looked into

[marble jewel]

Yeah, I had suspicions for other reasons. I didn't even know about the texture food thing, but it is kind of enlightening to know that there is a reason for feeling certain ways about things.

[devout vault]

Yeah it's hardly the only reason for me as well

Though I'd have to like look at a list of common ones to remember others

[marble jewel]

Well and what I've learned is that having any of the factors is a good indicator for it, so it's not an all or nothing thing

[cursive sigil]

Wdym?

[devout vault]

I was just saying that there are definitely other factors I can't recall at the moment 😛

But yeah it's not even close to a simple binary all or nothing thing

[rain apex]

Hm what's the benefit of getting diagnosed as an adult?

[marble jewel]

More effective treatment for some things

Also (in the US) it's a protected status

So I can ask for reasonable workplace accomodations

[cursive sigil]

It also feels good to get something you suspected for a long time be confirmed

[devout vault]

And also just awareness can help you learn more about how to navigate things

[rain apex]

Yeah i guess I was ask more about, does this change anything for you practically on day to day basis

[marble jewel]

It's still new to me, but the biggest thing right now is that I've always believe my struggles are the same as what everyone else deals with, but they all somehow get over it, and I have trouble

Now I have at least some reason as to why some things seem more difficult for me

[cinder karma]

High five. Congratulations on getting the SAN to deal with the system

[crystal wren]

Wow, both that and the hatred of onions? You are truly my people.

[cinder karma]

I'll take your onions

All of them

[grave meteor]

we lost a great mc mod by mojang yet agai, tragic

[ivory shadow]

I am here to say that I cannot stand raw onions. Cooked onions, yes. Raw onions, terrible abominations.

[crystal wren]

That's enough to get you entry to the club, I think.

As long as you don't eat onions, cooked or not, in the club.

[grave meteor]

my partner once made food and put the onions in at the same time as the chicken so yeah

just raw onions and chicken it was smth

[devout vault]

Making a new github organization "Onion Haters United". No repos, you just join for solidarity

[ivory shadow]

It's primarily the tecture of raw onions I hate, but it's not only that because I do like other similarly textured things. When you combine the texture and flavor, that's where I cannot go.

[devout vault]

I think for me it started as texture but now the flavor is associated with the texture

[marble jewel]

I learned how to cook complicated dishes for the sole purpose of trying things out without including onions as an ingredient

[ivory shadow]

Cooking them softens the flavor and completely transforms the texture into something I can handle. Though, they have to be cooked properly. And they generally can't be a significant part of the dish.

[marble jewel]

Since no-onions is a dietary restriction that most restaurants can't seem to accommodate

[ivory shadow]

Like, I don't like onions on pizza. They are too significant, and not well cooked enough.

Ironically I love onion rings. Explain that, because I cannot

[crystal wren]

Yeah, I don't even bother asking places nowadays. I just try to remove it all, and note it down to be avoided in future if it has any.

[grave meteor]

I dont dislike onions I just didnt like that dish I ate it bc i love him

but i didnt like the dish

[devout vault]

Usually it getting there in the first place is enough to contaminate it for me 😔

[marble jewel]

Same here, once it's soaked its flavor into something, I can't have it without gagging

I'm so sensitive to it, that when my spouse consumes onions earlier in the day, and brushes her teeth, I'm still able to detect it on her breath for the rest of the day

[rain apex]

I love onions in the limit context of cooked to caramelization

[grave meteor]

I like onions I just like themcooked correctly for the dish

[cursive sigil]

I can do raw onions in small quantities, but i can't touch cooked onions

[marble jewel]

Not to get too off-topic, but C# becoming a scripting language is kind of something I'm here for. https://youtu.be/473o5AWkJec?si=cqLz-FlcMJvb1v2P

[red crest]

(amusing to me that the most ive felt like an outlier in this channel is not bc of anything programming or knowledge related but now just bc of the fact that i like onions so much that i like to eat raw ones as a snack sometimes)

[grave meteor]

Don't even know if I have that in my soul

Bro I am an avid enjoyer of Mozz cheese and marinara, yes it's cold yes it's just mixed together and lastly yes I put it in a bowl

[marble jewel]

So... I guess we can't rename the channel to #alium-intolerance

[red crest]

#alium-intolerance-and-button

[grave meteor]

I came downstairs to this

And yes they took over big bowl

[cinder karma]

Interesting

Also I put onions in almost everything I cook

If not onions then green onions

[red crest]

ill eat those like a rabbit too

[sand frost]

My dad feels the same as you but the rest of my family loves onions

I’ll eat raw onions on tacos and burgers, and cooked onions just like by themselves with a spoon

[cinder karma]

Team onions has arrived

I also love asparagus

[grave meteor]

I dislike most vegetables but I don't think I'm like an inherently picky eater

I have a few I rotate through

[crystal wren]

I was super picky as a kid. McDonald's for instance? I would only have the fish.

[devout vault]

I was super picky as a kid too.

Still am. But used to be as well

[crystal wren]

I still am now, but... less?

[cinder karma]

My parents did not let me be picky

[grave meteor]

I didnt get mcdonalds as a kid i had an almond mom

[cinder karma]

They fed me things like bitter melon and expected me to eat them

[crystal wren]

Honestly, that would have probably helped me in the long run.

[sand frost]

I’m extremely not picky about my minimum food standard (not poison) but I do have a decently high standard for good food

[devout vault]

I assume that's where that joke format originally came from?

[cinder karma]

At this point in my life there are very few veggies I won't eat

[devout vault]

Me too

[cinder karma]

Hmmm

[marble jewel]

Yeah, shared the image in case it was a reference. RIP Mitch Hedberg.

[cinder karma]

I don't have a high standard either

[sand frost]

My parents’ rule was we had to try every food

[marble jewel]

I don't think the original joke is appropriate for the server.

[devout vault]

Not a reference to that specifically, just to the greater meme culture

[sand frost]

We didn’t have to like it but we had to try it

[cinder karma]

I got pho last night, for example

It was....pretty good!!!!

[grave meteor]

I love pho

[sand frost]

And usually we came around on most foods

I dislike lettuce but I like most other vegetables

[devout vault]

Same here actually, but my parents didn't make a wide variety of veggies (for example) to begin with

[sand frost]

We got a community supported agriculture box weekly

[crystal wren]

My entirely typical tastes as a kid: picky on most things, but I loved fish and broccoli. Entirely normal.

[sand frost]

So it was a regular challenge to incorporate weird new veggies

This was from a small farm that also supplied the fancy SF restaurants so there was quite the range

[marble jewel]

I was a super picky eater, but various influences in my life led to me trying things, and now I'm open to just about everything as long as it doesn't have onions

[sand frost]

Kohlrabi, arugula, endives, etc

Onions are tough if it’s detectable at low levels. My brother used to be allergic to alliums and it was hard to take him many places for restaurants. Sushi and in n out fries were some of the main safe foods.

Wheat thins at some point changed their recipe to add onion, which was a betrayal of the highest order

[crystal wren]

While we're on the subject, let me just rant about something...

Does anyone spot the abominable problem with this?

[grave meteor]

bro what even is that

20 MEATY????

thats some US type shit

[devout vault]

...are all four flavors in the same bag??????

[crystal wren]

20 individual packs!

[devout vault]

Oh, okay

I thought they mixed them

Not as bad as mixing starburst flavors, but you know

[grave meteor]

cheezeits does that i think

[crystal wren]

But the big problem...

[devout vault]

I love the cheezit duos

[crystal wren]

THIS IS NOT MEAT. GET IT OUT. NOW. BAD.

[grave meteor]

this whole bag is a disaster

[devout vault]

Yeah I noticed that too, and was part of the reason why I thought they were mixed, since then you could argue it was flavor for the rest (rather than a bunch of separate bags that are all meat themed except this one for some reason)

[grave meteor]

20 meaty isnt event a gd statement

its something youd see on dog food, like it makes just enough sense when u glance at it but when u think its like what

[crystal wren]

These also exist. These are great.

[grave meteor]

I am a diehard worcester person

Like that shit goes good in nearly anything

[crystal wren]

It also goes great on crisps.

[cinder karma]

Brit 💞

It's interesting because my parents did not teach me how to cook

And the food I eat now is wildly different from the food I ate as a child

[grave meteor]

my partner didnt get taught how to cook I do all the cooking, he used to make himself "dog food" his name not mine for it

[cinder karma]

(I focus on vegetarian protein sources. I eat a lot of beans)

[grave meteor]

it was beans spam and rice

[cinder karma]

I also eat a lot of spicy food

Chili is legit 1/4th of my diet

[grave meteor]

my partner likes it but its not my cup of tea

im not a bean person

[cinder karma]

I think it's useful to have a meal you can prepare that is cheap, healthy, and easy to make

Chili is that for me

[crystal wren]

For me, that's:

1. Egg noodles
2. Grilled/otherwise cooked vegetables
3. Soy sauce

[cinder karma]

It keeps me fed and alive and I can't ask for more

[crystal wren]

Cheap, nutrious, and super nice.

[cinder karma]

Oh, and I supplement with whey protein

[grave meteor]

for me its a curry or any pork dish really

I can toss it in my crockpot and make carnitas etc

[cinder karma]

A softboiled egg, fresh veggies, and rice

Ofc there are days when I'm like yeah I'll get pho lol

[crystal wren]

Ooh, an egg would be a nice addition to my non-fried-stir-fry...

[grave meteor]

i love doing the marinaded eggs to store in my fridge

[cinder karma]

Yessss

[grave meteor]

and I do a stock night to make chicken stock

[cinder karma]

So good

I've been having Korean soy sauce eggs for breakfast

[grave meteor]

I live for walmart rotisserie chickens

those idk how or why they are so good but they are

[crystal wren]

Basically 99% of my sodium intake comes from soy sauce.

[cinder karma]

Soy sauce is good

[crystal wren]

Oh, those noodles also get Cholula poured in by the spoonful sometimes.

[cinder karma]

I'm sad because my last physical came back with high blood pressure

Only a little high but

[grave meteor]

I have tuna sitting in my fridge just waiting to be cooked then imma make a soy based sauce

[cinder karma]

I'm told to stress less and eat less salt

[cinder karma]

Me, reading an email out loud from my boss: "and as well as some skew..."
Gemini, wise: "it looks like you're going through things. Should i call someone?"

[grave meteor]

bro office online major downgrade

why the actual fuck is everything just AI now

[safe dragon]

they know what you truly want is to not have to use office at all anymore and are trying to make an AI do it instead

[grave meteor]

yeah so machines can just think for us awesome

[cinder karma]

We accidentally enabled ai closed captions today

[grave meteor]

I hate thinking and online literacy

[safe dragon]

me too

[rain apex]

It's ok people will use ai and then not read the response

😌

[cinder karma]

I'm a cat

[grave meteor]

like I know AI is the future but for learnings sake and existing I try not to us AI

its acc depressing asf to see how much academia has used AI rather then just learning

[safe dragon]

it's a growing issue definitely

[dusty pollen]

hello a cat, I'm iro

[safe dragon]

people who studied a few years after me suddenly were just throwing their programming assignments into chatgpt

I graduated before such tools thankfully

[grave meteor]

trust me I know, literal masters students in a competative program will just use AI

[safe dragon]

I know I'd have been tempted

[grave meteor]

and shocker its wrong

[rain apex]

Yeah and search engines r undergoing decay

[safe dragon]

AI poisoning their own well

[grave meteor]

It's insane that people just trust ai like y'all wouldn't trust like some dude w the Reddit account conspiracy_theorist69 but ai might have ripped their info

[safe dragon]

you'd be surprised how many people who believe it coming straight from conspiracy_theorist69

[grave meteor]

I used some restraint with the username

[safe dragon]

sensible

[grave meteor]

But the point stands like ai is a pattern tool it's great for tools that requires prediction models like biology type shit

But people thing ChatGPT is so much more then it is it's a pattern recognition software that has an insane amount of computing power and training material

It's not a person it's not a god??? Some people on Reddit think that ig

[devout vault]

If AI could make accurate CCs on youtube for videos that don't specify them themselves I would actually like that. I'm really bad at understanding many accents, and even for people I do understand clearly it makes it easier and is also nice if I'm eating something crunchy

[safe dragon]

if AI closed captioning was good it'd be incredible for people like me trying to learn a language

unfortunately it's not

especially if it's not english

[devout vault]

Yeah, very much a hypothetical and not for anything that current exists

<flashbacks to the "AI summary tools" that auto-attended all meetings at a previous job>

[crystal wren]

(Even mine?! )

[safe dragon]

does that mean you don't have to go to the meeting

[devout vault]

I haven't talked to you enough in VC to recall off-hand with how long it's been since I've VCed with you at all 😛

[devout vault]

I wish.

It was usually the daily standups

So of course I had to be there for my <60 second update and then listened to everyone else ramble on for a long time.

(There was a time when those meetings were always at least an hour, usually substantially longer. And we weren't a large dev team)

(Like I'm pretty sure we had less than ten devs in the whole company)

[safe dragon]

I don't miss the daily standups at my old job

or really any part of scrum

I can relate to standups somehow ending up over an hour long

[cinder karma]

The health insurance mandated it

Standing time is good for you

[safe dragon]

I went from 9 scheduled meetings a week to 1 from my job change

[devout vault]

It was pretty common for it to be at least two.

At first I had set an alarm to wake up 5 minutes before it started and called in and listened on my phone, but there were times I fell asleep during it (never got called out on it, not sure if because as a junior I wasn't expected to have much input on these larger discussions or because they didn't notice) so I couldn't keep doing that

[pliant snow]

your daily meetings lasted 2 hours?

[devout vault]

It was a living nightmare

I would say a waking nightmare, but as I just mentioned that wasn't always the case

[safe dragon]

for two ish years we had a "friday morning session" where someone in the company would hold a 30 minute presentation about something vaguely related to the job they did there. They planned this at 8 am and you were not paid for those 30 minutes.

Since I didn't have to do anything except listen I'd just set my alarm just before, join the meeting, nap and then had another alarm to leave the meeting 30 minutes later

[devout vault]

Let's hope these meetings never go the route of the OOT owl

https://tenor.com/view/the-legend-of-zelda-ocarina-of-time-zelda-nintendo-owl-gif-19577264

[marble jewel]

My team does daily stand ups, but I've gotten them to take less time so that now we can get through updates from all 6 team members in about 5 minutes. Parking lots can go for an hour though depending on the complexity.

[cinder karma]

Parking lots

[safe dragon]

parking lots?

is that like planning poker or what is that

[devout vault]

Well yeah, have y'all never tried to find parking at peak time in a college with way too little parking? /s

[marble jewel]

The actual agenda of a DSU is intended to be quick updates like, is everything going according to plan, are there any blockers, etc. The parking lots is to table discussions that veer away from that agenda so only those who are required stay on the call as opposed to wasting everyone's time.

[devout vault]

Some of these super long calls had those post-call discussions as well

It was insanity

[marble jewel]

So when things start to derail, you "park" the topic for after the meeting

[devout vault]

I feel like I've heard a different term for that but can't recall what

[safe dragon]

oh we had no fancy name for those

[devout vault]

Taking it offline would be one thing but a bit different and not what I'm thinking of

[safe dragon]

not even when we had some scrum professional advisor dude around for a few months

I don't think the term parking lot dropped

[marble jewel]

There are different terms for it. My company practices SAFe agile, so we mostly use terms from that.

[safe dragon]

that scrum advisor is genuinely one of the least useful people I have ever seen at the workplace

we just ended up with a few extra meetings which we then dropped after he was gone cause they didn't do anything

I also don't know how you can be a scrum advisor when you have never lead a development team

[devout vault]

At first I read that as scrum master and I was gonna make a joke about Ash and being a Pokémon master and/or catching them all, but couldn’t fully put the joke together. (So have this vague joke concept instead)

[marble jewel]

Ask ChatGPT for a joke

It's meta funny because ChatGPT makes terrible jokes

Why did Ash Ketchum become an Agile Scrum Master?
Because after 20 years of “Gotta catch ’em all,” he realized what he really needed was to “Gotta backlog ’em all!”
Now he’s out here evolving Pikachu… into a user story. 😄

[devout vault]

That first part of the answer is actually kinda funny in sense that yes, it never actually happens 😂

Like “I still haven’t managed after 20 years guess I’ll give up”

Or “I haven’t cleaned my room in a month, I’ll get to it later”

[rain apex]

Oh is this like a formal version of "take this off line"

We call it post scrum i think but they r still only like 20min tops

[dusty pollen]

are they saying it's fake or that we don't understand it?

[safe dragon]

it's actually a skill issue all u gotta do is meditate

or yoga or something idk

[cinder karma]

It's interesting

Their idea is that adhd is less a disorder and more a mismatch between child (they are studying children) and their environment

[safe dragon]

I don't think you're going to make most of the people I know with adhd very happy with that claim

[dusty pollen]

that's a very fun idea that they've come up with with zero research or conversations with people with adhd

[grave meteor]

☠️☠️ yeah no

[dusty pollen]

ADHD makes you likelier to develop addictions, is comorbid with joint problems and has associated low activity in the prefrontal cortex during brain scans

too much of it is just not environmental, and in my experience the people pushing that narrative tend to be doing so because they want to restrict access to the medication that I need to function and/or actual specific support for people with ADHD

[grave meteor]

unfortunately I was in fact born this way

my environment of life wasnt great but certian things just arent taught by that

[dusty pollen]

(I don't think they're arguing it isn't born, shroom, they're arguing it doesn't innately cause issues, the issues are just caused by a mismatch with the environment)

(like a personality quirk, basically. Common argument about neurodivergence in general)

[grave meteor]

you can be in an ideal sitution and still have struggles with it

everyones situation is unique I grew up with a parent who was well versed in it

and I didnt get diagnosed until I was 16

Even if I was in the perfect environment I still dont think I would not have symptoms I needed to work through its just a matter of when it occured I worked through them

[dusty pollen]

I think you're misunderstanding the podcast's point ngl (not that I agree with it), but when I've heard similar arguments it wasn't about a "perfect" environment, it's more saying that ADHD only manifests issues because our environment (on a large scale, including schools etc) is targeted at neurotypical children and therefore isn't equipped to mesh with how nd children think. It's not untrue - there are definitely issues caused by this - it just isn't accurate as the only thing that ADHD is.

[grave meteor]

thats exactly what im saying is not true.

I just dont think your getting what Im saying

[cinder karma]

Yeah

I think there is a major environmental part but also a biological one

[grave meteor]

I think the only way I would not experience symptoms/issues is if i literally sat in a room with only white walls

[cinder karma]

See a room with literally only white walls sounds about the worst

[sand frost]

My understanding of this theory is that suppose your “job” was running around in the woods picking up whatever random edible things you found. There are symptoms of adhd that in this radically different life would either not be a problem or maybe be a plus. I think like iro that it’s some of column A, some of column B.

Hyperactivity, as a more targeted example, isn’t a problem most of the time unless you make children sit still for hours every day

[cinder karma]

But give me a nice corner of the office, a whiteboard between me and the rest of the world, a task I find inherently interesting, an audio book as background noise....

[grave meteor]

thats my point id have to be devoid of all human or otherwise stimuli to not experience "issues" well its my perspective on that theory

That would be the only way I could think of that would be the "perfect structure" to never experience add

[cinder karma]

My knitting to play with....

[sand frost]

Joint problems, otoh, seem bad regardless of environment

[grave meteor]

thats all im tryna say as a person with it is my perspective

[cinder karma]

Mysteriously, I am currently in the corner of the office hiding behind a whiteboard

[grave meteor]

I have been making an effort to be more social

to not sit in my office all day

[sand frost]

I don’t have adhd (probably) but I have some sleep issues that from my perspective looking out are pretty clearly a society problem and not a me problem, so perhaps that colors my interpretation of these theories

[grave meteor]

I feel strongly I can get along with older people bc my soul is that of a 40 year old dad (I love grilling, had a beer making phase and play bass) I am also 20

Im just sharing how I feel I hope no one also feels like im saying im right or XYZ I just wanted to share my POV

[cinder karma]

In more on topic

I really want to do stardew socks

[sand frost]

It was extremely funny when my therapist was like “so what about those sleep issues we’ve been talking about for months” and I was like “oh yeah, since the school year ended i literally forgot it was a problem and haven’t spent any time struggling with it because I can sleep in now”

Stardew socks sounds cute

[rain apex]

Sdv mermaid themed socks

[grave meteor]

I have not had a therapist in eons I have just been figuring it out on my own

[sand frost]

Would you use one of the patterns I’ve seen around or make up a new one?

[rain apex]

I just did the night market and was like hey that's a nice sock color theme

[grave meteor]

im wearing my witch cat socks atm\

sorry bat cat***

[cinder karma]

The knitpicks pattern!!!!

[rain apex]

So is hobby/fandom hyperfixation any sort of neurodivergent thing

[sand frost]

I’m pretty sure people have said hyperfixation is a symptom of several types of neurodivergence

[grave meteor]

theres deffo diff levels of it id say

[rain apex]

I experience this frequently but not usually to point of ceasing to perform normal adulty things

So i always just treat it like how i do hobbies™️

[grave meteor]

I get really bad with my hyperfixations