programmers-off-topic

[cinder karma]

Luckily I never uploaded the bad fanfiction

[wet tendon]

i love the awful fanfiction ive written

even the stuff i wrote when i was like 12

i was writing squaishey/female reader wattpad fanfiction and it was the worst thing youve ever read

(yes, the minecraft youtuber)

[cinder karma]

I wrote highly dramatic Harry potter fanfiction

[wet tendon]

i never actually wrote harry potter fanfic even though i was really into it as a kid

[cinder karma]

I only recently found a birthday card my hallmates made me in high school

It was Harry Potter themed

[wet tendon]

ok actually i wasn't that into it..... i wasn't obsessive abojt it like i was with a lot of fandom stuff i was into. i just read it many times

[dusty pollen]

the future is now

[cinder karma]

In high school, we made each other giant birthday cards

[wet tendon]

like i had a map of middle-earth in my room but not much harry potter stuff

[cinder karma]

Like, this is easily 2ft by 3ft

Your roomie was responsible for getting all your friends to sign your card behind your back

And putting it on your door without you noticing

[wet tendon]

i still have a framed picture of catra on my wall 😆

[cinder karma]

Oh I don't own any HP merchandise

I own all 7 books but not any merch

My parents were okay with buying me books but merch was a bridge too far

I didn't see any of the movies other than the one my (high school lab) boss took us to

[dusty pollen]

I had quite a bit of merch but became disillusioned with her nonsense over time

(this was pre current topic she rants about, she's had interesting opinions way before that)

[wet tendon]

childhood fandom interests do tend to be made by terrible people

[rain apex]

my cringe fanfiction never makes it pass dramatic outlines

[wet tendon]

dont ask tolkien what he thinks of women btw

[rain apex]

prose is a struggle

[dusty pollen]

would be tough to, he's dead

(at least he wasn't as bad about them as his bestie CS Lewis)

[wet tendon]

i have since entirely stopped reading sci-fi/fantasy written by men. i learned my lesson too many times. its not worth it

[dusty pollen]

my mum went back to her beloved childhood asimov books a few years back and very quickly came to the same conclusion

[wet tendon]

the last straw was when i started reading asoiaf. i didn't get very far

[cinder karma]

Hmmm

[dusty pollen]

(jules verne is mildly less terrible but just doesn't feel quite like sci fi any more with how accurate it was )

[cinder karma]

I really liked Dust

To be fair

That is the last sci-fi I read

I also really liked the potatoes book

[dusty pollen]

the martian?

[cinder karma]

Yes

[devout vault]

Maybe I should play modded minecraft today, finally

Voice in the back of my head: Or you could start a wind waker randomizer playthrough

[rain apex]

well jules verne is just describing a nuclear submarine

very cool that he knew about those

[dusty pollen]

I'm pretty sure that one doesn't have any major women characters, on account of it only having one major character /lh

[cinder karma]

I also hear good things about three body program

[dusty pollen]

I watched clips of the show over my dad's shoulder and hated every moment

[rain apex]

three body problem?

[cinder karma]

You might like dust

[dusty pollen]

yeah

[rain apex]

i read book 1 and 2 & did not like the ending of 2 very much so i never read 3

[dusty pollen]

every time a "scientist" started talking I wanted to shake the dialogue writers (this is the show, I'm told the books are decent)

[cinder karma]

Look at this product I found on google.com https://g.co/kgs/yebsDKG

[rain apex]

the chinese adaption of 1 is is pretty good

[cinder karma]

I thought three body problem was original chinese

[rain apex]

although it sure takes a long as time

[cinder karma]

I need to read it

[rain apex]

no like the chinese tv adaption

[dusty pollen]

I'm guessing chinese tv adaptation

[cinder karma]

Oooh

[rain apex]

this one

[cinder karma]

I should watch

[rain apex]

theres a netflix one where they changed the biggest head on the right side to like 5 different characters who have romance stuff

[wet tendon]

three types of sci-fi/fantasy written by men:

• no female characters because the one character is a man (the martian)
• no female characters for inexplicable reasons (lotr)
• the story makes you wish it didn't have female characters (asoiaf)

[dusty pollen]

• susan doesn't make it into heaven because she dates boys and wears makeup (narnia)

[cinder karma]

Dust has good female characters

[wet tendon]

LITERALLYYYYY

[dusty pollen]

(I hope everyone reading this message knows that I'm not joking and that that's a real plot point in one of the later books)

[rain apex]

i dont rly read scifi bc i am big weeb who just watch anime

but sometimes an interesting scifi anime happens

[cinder karma]

I need to read more fiction tbh

[devout vault]

I've seen some arguments about another interpretation of this which kinda make sense, however I think if you have to actively look for another interpretation for that sort of thing it's definitely questionable on if the better version was the original intent

Also wasn't it literally the last book

[wet tendon]

i assumed everyone in the world had read the whole narnia series but i realize that many people here are likely blissfully free of it

[devout vault]

I never read beyond the first few but I remember hearing about that

Actually, did I ever read any

[pliant snow]

narnia got fucking weird

[devout vault]

Or is having watched the first two book movies gaslighting me

[cinder karma]

This my boring reading list

[dusty pollen]

(so, it's a bit more complicated than that, but CS Lewis very much did have views that align with this interpretation)

[devout vault]

Audio books! hisssssssss
(I just can't comprehend stuff easily when it's pure audio)

[wet tendon]

further up and further in

[rain apex]

i only ever read 1 book of narnia what is it even about

[cinder karma]

The man is Christian

Tbh I don't recommend them

[rain apex]

the one where some ppl and their carriage all isekai and the lion sings the world into exist

also theres a no good very bad world

[cinder karma]

Okay I'll send you a paper copy of "the practical guide to cleaning and organizing with adhd"

[dusty pollen]

(good book, would recommend)

[cinder karma]

We'll spare you the book on weightlifting

[dusty pollen]

(I own a paper copy)

[devout vault]

That sucks but not too surprising I guess. I only ever heard things painted in a positive light growing up what with being raised christian.

[dusty pollen]

(I think)

[cinder karma]

You might actually kill me if I send you that

[pliant snow]

I've never really understood this. Like, I get if you're into fantasy including fantasy anime, but only being into anime, regardless of genre, but not non-anime of that same genre, seems weird

[wet tendon]

the chronicles of narnia are a series of stories set in the magical world of narnia detailing major events in that world, spanning from its creation to its destruction. this is ruined by the author's fervent belief that he has to write christianity into his story

[devout vault]

Nah, the book will just get thrown in the nearest fire.

[devout vault]

This one though... well, still difficulty of actually getting around to reading it 😛

[dusty pollen]

so, depends on how many you consider canon... it's either about a group of kids having a fun adventure OR jesus coming down as a lion to teach children about christ

[devout vault]

As much as I like physical books, digital format would probably be better in theory

[dusty pollen]

(also a real plot point.)

[rain apex]

see i did pick up on that just from binging narnia wiki this one time but is it the fun parts of bible like moses or guy eaten by whale or the lame new testament parts

[pliant snow]

In the first book, a group of children spend 50 years of their lives ruling a country as its absolute monarch, but slowly over the course of the series, seem to gaslight themselves into thinking it never actually happened

[wet tendon]

its so weird that narnia isn't just a world. its heaven incarnate and the most important world?? like come on cs lewis you let your religion fuck up your own worldbuilding

[dusty pollen]

(not... entirely. Have you read the Magician's Nephew?)

(it's actually one of many worlds)

[wet tendon]

the witch was supposed to be just an evil lady from another world not literally satan what are you doing man

[devout vault]

I don't quite get it either. The art style argument doesn't even make sense since anime can vary a bunch too.

Like, I definitely prefer the art style of more "typical" anime, but not because of it being anime. I just like stylized animated stuff and bright colors, so I enjoy western stuff, web comics (not, like, mainstream comics like marvel / dc for some reason), etc.

[wet tendon]

THATS MY POINT

[cinder karma]

Tbh I read most of it and am not sure i remember anything

[dusty pollen]

looking at your list, I think I'm thinking of a different book with a concerningly similar name

[wet tendon]

narnia is supposed to be just one of many worlds so why does the series end on "btw narnia was the physical manifestation of heaven all along"

[cinder karma]

Look

[devout vault]

Yeah, I seem to recall something like the lion basically saying he's narnia's depiction of jesus, and that he can be found in their original world too or something (though "jesus" is never mentioned by name)

[rain apex]

wait but i thought the place the jesus lion came from is heaven

and that place is not narnia

[cinder karma]

Adhd people need all the help they can get for cleaning

And organizing

[dusty pollen]

Organizing Solutions for People with ADHD is the one I'm thinking of

[devout vault]

Wait is narnia supposed to be actual heaven? I thought I heard the literal apocalypse was happening there in the last book

[wet tendon]

the last book would've been so much more impactful if it hadn't done all the weird off-the-rails shit and was just. the end of narnia

[cinder karma]

We don't even know for sures if I'm adhd

[devout vault]

Yeah, I was under the impression jesus and aslan (the lion) were literally the same being, just had a different form in each world

[dusty pollen]

so, looking into it, apparently he intended for aslan to be a different son of god/form of him

[wet tendon]

narnia ends and then everyone in narnia goes to heaven and they're shocked to discover that heaven looks like narnia but cooler because narnia was made in heaven's image all along

[dusty pollen]

anyway cs lewis and jrr tolkien were sure both interesting people

[devout vault]

...does narnia even have a distinct look?

Like isn't it just, like, more nature-y than our world

Am I forgetting some floating islands or something

[wet tendon]

no like geographically

[devout vault]

Oh

...does heaven have a map for them to compare to

[wet tendon]

like if heaven had eurasia and the americas and africa and shit

[wet tendon]

they journey all across heaven

like actually

[devout vault]

Or did the lion give them a fly-over tour in the sky

[wet tendon]

no its just that you can walk anywhere pretty quick in heaven

cause its heaven

further up and further in

[devout vault]

So what you're telling me is heaven has a fast travel mod installed

Dang it why is god hoarding all the good mods to himself

[dusty pollen]

does that make you the in-universe god of stardew

[cinder karma]

I think I had a story once

Where "heaven" was "everyone's perfect world"

But, you can imagine that each person's perfect world didn't match up

So they would diverge over time

(If you can't tell, I like spooky)

So your heaven wasn't my heaven

And eventually everyone's little universe would fully diverge

[dusty pollen]

that's good because my heaven has me on my own communicating purely by computer, but what about those weird scary extroverts whose heavens include other people

[devout vault]

You know if christian heaven is supposed to be perfect that's a good point.

Adds to the "christian heaven doesn't make sense" list, alongside "won't we be sad for our family/friends who didn't get into heaven", "why can't I see my pet in heaven", and "wouldn't 24/7 worship of god be kinda boring"

[cinder karma]

(Every other person was just a figment of your imagination)

[dusty pollen]

(it's a common one people make!)

(another one is, if heaven is free of sin, does that mean I have less free will there than here/am not allowed to do what I actually want?)

[devout vault]

One I hadn't heard before!

The last one I mentioned is the one that I came up with myself. It certainly helps that I always found worship kinda boring though

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[devout vault]

I've seen stuff re:this and the missing family/friends stuff explaining how when we're remade we won't want to sin or worry about those people (or forget entirely), which is concerning in it's own right

[cinder karma]

I like creepy stories where you take a concept to it's logical conclusion

[devout vault]

...might be veering a bit too far into not-for-this-server territory

[cinder karma]

Ie, The Commune.

[dusty pollen]

so dystopias?

[devout vault]

Yeah, those are fun. Isn't most of Black Mirror supposed to be kinda like that?

[dusty pollen]

(that are well built, not YA dystopias)

[cinder karma]

Yep

Well built dystopias

[dusty pollen]

yes but it's very hit and miss, some episodes are fantastic and some are just "what if tech bad and people bad because tech"

[devout vault]

I think I've watched one black mirror episode, ever. It was the VR one (are there multiple now?)

[cinder karma]

The general gist of The Commune is it's about a computer scientist who raises her kids in a closed commune to keep them away from modern technology

[dusty pollen]

oh the one with anthony mackie?

that's generally considered past black mirror's prime

[devout vault]

I don't know celebrities, so dunno

[dusty pollen]

these guys

[cinder karma]

Who is Anthony mackie

No idea.

[devout vault]

The only actor names I can think of off the top of my head are Doctor Who ones (mainly the ones playing the doctor, though a few companions as well)

[wet tendon]

if hell is where the other lesbians go then. well. you know

[cinder karma]

(And I actually pay some attention to pop culture)

[devout vault]

While I don't even remember enough of the episode to know much besides I watched it, for some reason I feel like it was a white guy

[cinder karma]

Ie, I know who Sabrina carpenter is

[dusty pollen]

hmm, that's the only vr episode I can think of / google seems to think of

oh wait

playtest!

you watched playtest

[devout vault]

Sometimes I might recognize names! But that doesn't mean there is literally any association as to who they are or what they do. Just that I've heard the name before.

[cinder karma]

I've never seen black mirror

[devout vault]

ie. the name you just mentioned atra

[cinder karma]

Should i

[dusty pollen]

ofc the only one you watched is about game dev

[dusty pollen]

meh

[cinder karma]

I mean, I've also talked about her music

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=sPFT0sa9qe4&si=Z0EOF6UId4ka6UVq

Thumbs is a favorite

[devout vault]

The guy who shows up when I google that also doesn't look familiar, but I obviously don't recall much of the episode so....

[dusty pollen]

playtest was decent for sure

[devout vault]

Pretty sure I watched it on the family netflix account ages ago, not my current one to myself, so not sure if I can check

Okay, looking at the plot summary on wikipedia, I don't remember basically anything in the middle, but do some stuff at the beginning and the end, so that must be it

(specifically, the part about secretly taking pictures of the device is what first tipped me off, and then near the end the stuff about the phone call from his mom)

But who in their right mind would sign up for "a horror game where an artificial neural network personalises the experience to [their] fears". Like, seriously, ABSOLUTELY NOT! (Never really liked horror in general though)

[dusty pollen]

some episodes are incredible examples of what you just described, at least in concept (men against fire is one I completely forgot about until right now when I looked through the episode list), some are "what if we replace currency with people giving each other five star ratings" (which is popular apparently but I hated as a concept because... why would we do that in the first place)

[devout vault]

As much as I want that type of VR (if it could be done non-invasively), if the only option was horror, and there was no way for me to make non-horror, I would never touch it

[cinder karma]

Tbh I feel like dystopia works best when it could be a thing

One of the reasons I've been bouncing The Commune back and forth. Do you side with the mother shielding her children from advertising

[devout vault]

I never watched this but I heard it's similar to that one Community episode with the MeowMeowBeenz app. But probably less focused on comedy given it's black mirror

[dusty pollen]

similar concept to arkangel which was the first episode of black mirror I've ever seen, but as always, black mirror takes a slightly further "technology bad" stance

[dusty pollen]

(btw, the thesis of the episode I initially thought you were talking about seems to just be... what if vr made you gay and cheat on your wife?)

[cinder karma]

Yeah

[devout vault]

Well, that doesn't sound like it would be problematic at all. (big /s)

[dusty pollen]

smithereens is extremely grounded in current issues though so I like that one, and I think the miley cyrus episode is massively underrated

[dusty pollen]

I have no idea what they were going for (I have watched it) but that's sure what it ends up feeling like

I think the people who criticised the miley cyrus episode for starring her may have missed the detail where she was playing child star controlled by big corporations and her family there might just be a commentary there

[devout vault]

I feel like it could be done in a good way, like being able to explore yourself in an environment where society can't judge you for it. But this is black mirror so I doubt they were even thinking of trying to go for that

And, like, take out the cheating and stuff

[cinder karma]

(BTW, iro.)

[dusty pollen]

(atra)

[cinder karma]

I'm, unapologetically, a Miley fan

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=BkSSOGNeWTM&si=t6OMlkujZhd3g7S3

[marble jewel]

Would you say you can't/won't stop being a fan of her?

[dusty pollen]

You should watch her black mirror episode then! I think her being the person who played it is genuinely a really interesting aspect

[worn remnant]

magic died out 1,000 years ago after the war of the magi, sorry 😔

[devout vault]

I googled deep dish pizza invention hoping it was older than I assumed so I could still blame losing magic on it, but alas 😔

(It's actually newer than I assumed, 1943???)

googles "big events in 11th century"

Hmm, closer to 900 years, but how about the first crusade? That sounds like a good reason for magic to decide to say "peace out"

[dusty pollen]

if you want to bump it to the 13th/14th century you can blame oxford

[devout vault]

Oxford? Isn't that like a university or something?

[worn remnant]

just don't blame chicago deep dish pizza. a perfectly cromulent pizza and delicious food that did nothing wrong

[devout vault]

Look, you can believe what you want about it being food. But It. Is. Not. Pizza.

[dusty pollen]

god dammit casey I know the post you're referencing but I'm still partially wondering if you're serious

[devout vault]

Well, considering I don't know of any post I could be referencing, the latter. 😛 I'm a certified deep dish "pizza" hater

Unless you mean the oxford thing, in which case I'm serious.

Because of jumping between curriculums and what not when homeschooled most of my history knowledge is "mesopotamia" and "early american history" with not much in between (even if a lot of it was covered some, like rome stuff, or more recent american history, or stuff like the world wars)

[worn remnant]

i'm a big-tent pizza person. basically any configuration of cheese, sauce, and bread is a pizza, and basically all of them are delicious

[devout vault]

Ichor considers tomato and cheese soup with croutons as pizza, got it

[worn remnant]

you know what? i do. it sounds yummy. pizza soup!

[devout vault]

.quote add ichortower "tomato and cheese soup with croutons is a pizza"

[heavy dagger]

Please use 💬 reactions to add quotes. Or .quote add "text" - userid:### nick

[devout vault]

smh, it loses the impact if I have to do it again

fine

.quote add "tomato and cheese soup with croutons is a pizza" - ichortower ichortower

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by kittycatcasey as #6417 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1381792788210778233)

[devout vault]

.q 6417

[heavy dagger]

#6417

tomato and cheese soup with croutons is a pizza

• ichortower ichortower (Jump)

10 Jun 2025 @ 12:31:13 AM UTC

[devout vault]

Okay the thing confused me

Oh well, I guess your full name is ichortower ichortower now

[worn remnant]

hmm

[dusty pollen]

then yes, oxford is a university, but it was founded in the 13th/14th century

(the earliest part of its history is kind of lost)

[devout vault]

I guess I'm wondering what they did to scare off magic

From the entire world at that

[dusty pollen]

the first like three oxford colleges are in the 13th century but nobody is sure what order

oh, where do I even start

[devout vault]

(Maybe the universe, but we haven't been to other planets to know if magic is still hiding there or not)

...it would actually be kinda hilarious if we went to another planet (even just mars) and found magic was a thing there

[dusty pollen]

it's honestly hard to summarise other than to say they were oxford

[devout vault]

Until we tried to harvest it for nefarious purposes (cough (tv show name) ||netflix she-ra|| )

[devout vault]

So what you're telling me this is like that meme of wikipedia where a page table of contents is like "early life", "academic life", "controversies (23 subsections)", "references"

[dusty pollen]

23 would cover the past decade

maybe

if you're being very brief

[devout vault]

I didn't say all of those subsections had no subsections of their own

[dusty pollen]

brief as in omitting many controversies

I mean for starters, one of the subsections should theoretically just be "Cambridge" /lh

[devout vault]

I also found "Lamest edit wars" as a page on wikipedia and... wow

Like, why was there an edit war over "list of numbers that are always odd"????

[fleet wren]

blood were spilled over whether to capitalize "The" in "The Beatles"

[pliant snow]

https://xkcd.com/1167/

xkcd: Star Trek into Darkness

Of course, factions immediately sprang up in favor of '~*~sTaR tReK iNtO dArKnEsS~*~', 'xX_StAr TrEk InTo DaRkNess_Xx', and 'Star Trek lnto Darkness' (that's a lowercase 'L').

[rain apex]

Lnto

[devout vault]

(This was a very entertaining page)

[wet tendon]

dont put cheese in soup

please..

[devout vault]

Tell that to those deep dish "pizza" lovers

[cinder karma]

My hands down favorite soup is French onion

[worn remnant]

french onion soup is a pizza if you generously interpret "sauce"

(i am willing to do this for the sake of the pizza discourse, and potentially irritating casey)

[devout vault]

Brb importing ketchup from japan

[rain apex]

omg

[devout vault]

(And yeah I think this is real)

[rain apex]

this should be the default packaging from now on

[worn remnant]

importing heinz ketchup from japan to usa seems... inefficient

[devout vault]

Also this

[devout vault]

It's kirby ketchup, you can't get it anywhere else. How is that inefficient, there's literally no other option

[worn remnant]

surely there's a printer somewhere closer to chicago

[devout vault]

But that wouldn't be officially licensed, so it doesn't count

Also, the moment I send the document to my printer, nintendo lawyers will break down my door and take everything I own, so there's that

[devout vault]

you mean like in my apartment (though I lost a cable for it and haven't used it since moving)

[cinder karma]

I assume casey will now try to sell me on ketchup being a vegetable

[marble jewel]

Ummm... Ketchup is a fruit

[fleet wren]

ketchup is a smoothie actually. made from ground fruit - check, has lots of sugar - check

[devout vault]

You're one of those people who drink mayo, aren't you

[devout vault]

I know there's no chance of you buying that idea, so...

[marble jewel]

I know when I'm in the mood for a refreshing fruit smoothie, I just pour ketchup straight from the bottle into my mouth

[devout vault]

But it can be two different things in different categories. Like how a knife is a utensil and a weapon.

[marble jewel]

Everything has a dual purpose as a weapon if you try hard enough

[devout vault]

Even a single wet spaghetti noodle?

[marble jewel]

John Wick could weaponize wet spaghetti noodle. It's canon.

[cinder karma]

What the hell do you put in your smoothies

[fleet wren]

I was joking, I wouldn't go as far as drinking ketchup or, gosh, mayo
in terms of unhinged food habits the most I do is eat chili salt by itself as a snack

[cinder karma]

oh I have fully unhinged food habits.

Selph, I've eaten the same chili at least 5x per week for the last six years

there are mild changes to chili recipe.

[supple ether]

there have been several times where I just sat down and ate cheese curds drizzled with hot sauce

I only stopped doing that bc the grocery store stopped selling cheese curds

[cinder karma]

when I was Young and running a marathon, I would sit down and eat an entire wheel of brie. By myself

across 2-3 days

marathon training is No Joke.

[devout vault]

Oh look, it's one of the periodic bloat-your-wishlist-even-more weeks. (Steam next fest)

[devout vault]

Cheese curds are delicious, so that makes sense and is perfectly reasonable.

I prefer marinara sauce though

[supple ether]

cholula my beloved <3

[cinder karma]

siracha

but also chili oil

[wet tendon]

i like poutine but i can not with the cheese curds

i usually have it w like melted cheese/cheese sauce instead

[devout vault]

https://retroachievements.org/game/25437
....this was a Skittles game?????

[devout vault]

Also since when does youtube highlight the like button when the video mentions it

[tranquil grove]

from what I recall of streams, it started out as a skittles tie-in but ends up barely involving them
supposedly they tried to cancel the whole licensing deal at one point

[devout vault]

From what I saw in clips and other stuff when I first read that earlier, they powered a central game mechanic and also were pretty important to the plot.

Which side tried to cancel it?

[tranquil grove]

iirc they were pretty much just "colored powerup things" without much central branding, but it's been a while, I might've misremembered

& the dev side tried to ask Mars(?) if they could just remove the branding and make it a regular game, or so I heard

[devout vault]

I also saw this clip from the game which I thought was great
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/obwN0VSVKoA

[tranquil grove]

I wonder if that was the only joke they wanted out, given this wiki bit

A 300-page script, by lead writer and designer Andy Wolfendon, was written and submitted to Mars, which only asked to change a joke, utterances of "damn" and "remove all the snakes from the game." When Braswell asked for clarification, they said that there could be snake-like creatures, but no actual snakes.

[devout vault]

Snake like creatures but no actual snakes? Huh

[tranquil grove]

feels even funnier to get sassy about the only joke cut

and yeah, not entirely sure what the objection is there, except maybe vague religious implications

[devout vault]

Congratulations you're getting basilisks instead. I'm sure that's much less terrifying to the average child playing it

Oh it's T rated, nevermind, we all know nobody under 13 has ever played a T game

Especially one themed around a candy tons of people love

(Though to be fair the game didn't seem to be marketed around skittles at all? Hence why I had never heard about this before)

[sand frost]

i like skittles

but i do not play skittles games

[devout vault]

They are tasty

I think we had this game but I never played it

[tranquil grove]

they may have given up on skittles games after that one

also I like skittles except right now, because got Too Many on sale last week

[devout vault]

It seems like non-gaming branded video games are pretty dead these days in general

[devout vault]

Ship me some

[sand frost]

i haven't had skittles in a long time

maybe this is why i currently like them

[tranquil grove]

there's probably like a pound left, have at 'em

[devout vault]

I like starburst better (only the "standard" four flavors) though

[devout vault]

Looking for an image for reference of this (because I do not have the weight of a skittle memorized) and I've never seen this button before

[tranquil grove]

those were probably my favorite back when I did halloween/etc and had more reason to get candy

[devout vault]

It seems like it's just the chat gpt type interface in google (or at least the one they had when it first started getting popular, I haven't tried since)

[tranquil grove]

yeah, I saw that in a screenshot the other day, but it hasn't popped up for me w/ firefox+ublock+etc yet
(also 54oz apparently, one of these)

[cinder karma]

Tbh I generally assume (item) branded as (other thing) is unlikely to be good

[devout vault]

The minecraft movie might not have been good in a "critical" sense, but it's a lot of fun, which is good in my eyes

[cinder karma]

So my address is....

[tranquil grove]

I use sam's club for actual groceries and they were 50% off for some reason
and also they were out of stock on peanut m&ms, the one candy I do get occasionally

[cinder karma]

1212 Middle of the Night, Discord, USA. 12345

[devout vault]

...why is amazon calling skittles a fruit chew. They're candies you put in your mouth and suck on, not chew! The chew ones are starburst!

(I've tried to do that with starburst to make them last longer - I'm not very successful 😅 )

[tranquil grove]

skittles are worse when chewed, but you can

[cinder karma]

Still

M&m better

Also three musketeers

[tranquil grove]

I was never a big fan of, uh, most bars besides payday

as in I eat some if we do halloween and have a pile of leftovers

(also re the skittles game, now that I think about it, the streams I saw were by the guy who made the achievement set )

[devout vault]

I'm not a huge fan of eating just chocolate, needs to be with something.

Except white chocolate, which transcends the boundaries of standard chocolate

[cinder karma]

Jelly beans also good

[tranquil grove]

though twitch jettisoned archiving lately, so the streams are probably gone

[cinder karma]

I also really enjoy licorice

Proper licorice

Let's see. Swedish fish.

[tranquil grove]

same, wish it was easier to get Panda licorice here

[cinder karma]

Also sour kids. Also peach candies

[devout vault]

After a thorough google investigation, this doesn't sound like that much. 😛 At once, sure, but spread out across a week or two?

[cinder karma]

Ooh! I saw someone use jellies like that instead of running gels which might be a good idea

Last time I had running gels they were so sweet. Toooo sweet

[tranquil grove]

okay but what if I don't have impulse control and it's like 3 days

[devout vault]

Yeah, I get why from a business standpoint, but it seems really weird after having it for so long

[cinder karma]

Like, cloying and too much sugar and not enough watwe

[devout vault]

If the problem is impulse control it sounds like having that much left isn't a problem since you clearly aren't tired of them yet 😛

[cinder karma]

So mail me some

I gave you my address early

Real atra address trust me

[tranquil grove]

okay okay, they're on the way, and iirc mostly purple left

[fleet wren]

I see it's midnight snack discussion hours

[tranquil grove]

kind of about a tie-in game, but I know more about actual candy

[cinder karma]

Do different skittles have different tastes

[devout vault]

second worst kind

[tranquil grove]

technically? I think? it might be psychosomatic, but it's more notable than some

[cinder karma]

Also my favorite midnight snack is a wedge of that spreadable cheese

[devout vault]

They definitely have a different taste

Hate getting a purple when I'm in poor lighting and think I got a red

[cinder karma]

It's been literally years since I've had skittles

[fleet wren]

nothing beats midnight ramen pack for me

[cinder karma]

I don't buy candy for myself

I just ||eat from work's candy stash||

[fleet wren]

sometimes I eat them raw even

[cinder karma]

I am prone to grabbing reese

[cinder karma]

Fuck yeah

Ramen into the microwave

[devout vault]

Clearly I need to get some starburst in next grocery order

[tranquil grove]

cooking linguine is my default, so I rarely end up with much ramen/etc

[cinder karma]

Crack a raw egg into it

And not the cheapest Ramen, the like dollar per pack one

[devout vault]

(And I always get the bags, not the stick of them)

Also, what the heck, since when do starburst lollipops exist

[cinder karma]

What about sour patch kids

[devout vault]

On the note of starburst spinoffs, RIP starburst gummibursts, I miss you so much

I don't like sour candy

[tranquil grove]

my sibling always loved those, but they were kinda whatever to me

[cinder karma]

Did you ever take two Starburst and swirl them together

[devout vault]

...why is starburst requiring me to enter this information to browse their website

[cinder karma]

That was the only way to eat Starburst when I was a kid

[tranquil grove]

I always ate them two at a time, yeah

only sometimes actually twisted, but close enough

[devout vault]

I actually have always hated multiple starburst flavors at once. It just merged into some kinda bubble gum-y tasting mess (which I didn't like)

[fleet wren]

clearly they need your age to see if you're old enough for grownup flavors

[cinder karma]

Yes but first you have to squish them together

[fleet wren]

dont ask me what grownup flavors are

[devout vault]

I don't want alcoholic starburst, I want my sugar cubes rectangular prisms

[tranquil grove]

at last, alcoholic candy

[fleet wren]

morning black coffee at desk job flavor

[devout vault]

This website is insane. Starburst cotton candy? Starburst fondue?? Starburst ASMR???

(Influencer stuff, not actual products, if that last one didn't make that clear)

Why do they have one of those carousel type things that requires dragging to move between as if phones are the only browser type to exist

[cinder karma]

Please

Starburst that tastes like my tears

[tranquil grove]

"starburst fondue" just sounds like "caramel but with food coloring"

[cinder karma]

You can tell I'm easily peer pressured

Peer pressured into rolling Starburst

Into running, eventually a marathon

Into running linux

Into making friendship bracelets

Knitting in class and in student group meetings

[tranquil grove]

(iirc in my case that was natural, like "too many reds, maybe adding yellows will help" )

[cinder karma]

For me it was a summer camp thing

Just how I would always pack a skirt for wear a skirt day.

[sand frost]

yellow is the best starburst flavor

next best is orange

next best is pink

last best is red

[tranquil grove]

iirc pink>yellow>orange>red for me, but it's been a while

[devout vault]

Actual starburst products besides the main ones (types, not flavors), objectively in order from most acceptable to least:

• Minis (reasonable, but promotes combining flavors too much - if they were separated by flavor that'd be different)
• Jellybeans (see above, except why have jellybeans and minis? I guess jellybeans might be harder but that makes them even worse)
• Gummies (a blight on the memory of gummibursts, but fine in a timeline where gummibursts never existed)
• Sorbet ice cream (odd but okay)
• Swirlers (an abomination - literally two flavors swirled into a stick like a non-curly, soft candycane)

[cinder karma]

It's been too long for me tooooo

Plus I'm a chocolate person

Reeses are best

[sand frost]

it's nice when my friends like red best, so we can trade

reeses are worst

[devout vault]

Also there is a recipes section on the website. What in the world is wrong with them

[sand frost]

hahaha

wow

i would not make those recipes

[cinder karma]

💖

I'll take the reeses then.

[devout vault]

What the heck is wrong with you, yellows are the worst ones!

(Can you tell I have Opinions™️ about starburst)

[tranquil grove]

don't mind me, my sense of taste is all over the place anyway

[devout vault]

My flavor preferences have shifted from time to time but yellow has always been the worst

[cinder karma]

What is yellow. Banana?

[devout vault]

Lemon

[cinder karma]

When I was a kid I liked those fruit shaped candies

[sand frost]

yellow and orange taste very similar bc both citrus

[cinder karma]

Oh I'm gonna take the yellows then

[tranquil grove]

yeah, lemon, I'm actually bad with the faux-banana candy flavors

[cinder karma]

Let's see.

[tranquil grove]

(though I love runts, those just don't taste like bananas at all)

[cinder karma]

I like sour skittles

[devout vault]

And the period where I didn't like the pink ones because of the cultural pink=girly that is implanted into every american child via osmosis, which mainly was a problem because of the uncomfortable feelings the thought of that brought me. Gee, I wonder what those were

[cinder karma]

I'm absolutely a fan of way too much citric acid

[devout vault]

You're wrong

[cinder karma]

Let's see

What about peach rings, casey

[devout vault]

Currently:

1. Orange or strawberry (depends on my mood to be honest)
2. Cherry
3. Lemon

[sand frost]

i like peach rings

i didn't try them until i was an adult

[cinder karma]

Especially the sour ones

[devout vault]

Stop correcting my numbering in markdown discord, that should've been 1, 3, and 4

[fleet wren]

where im from yellow candies are usually pineapple

[devout vault]

Don't know what they are

Unless it's literally just actual peaches in ring shape cuts

In which case never tried

[cinder karma]

Tbh if I can get my foot to ducking heallll before fall I think I want to take peach rings with me on my runs

https://www.target.com/p/peach-rings-candy-7oz-favorite-day-8482/-/A-81611626?sid=2520S&TCID=PDS-19859757808&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=19859757808&gclid=Cj0KCQjwjJrCBhCXARIsAI5x66Vt9pdO0IValfiByMK4enAvtsnJqJFmb_92YVxycrNVezJ3Uy1lJmYaAmD-EALw_wcB

[devout vault]

Banana laffy taffy was one of my favorite flavors 😛

[cinder karma]

(It's only been three months. Am losing sanity by the day.)

In more posh candy

[tranquil grove]

pretty sure I've never tried peach rings yet probably would've been averse as a kid anyway, but they were just never Around

[sand frost]

my fiance likes them

[cinder karma]

I used to buy the trader joes espresso beans

[devout vault]

Yeah I might've been averse too, the branding is too close to actual fruit

[cinder karma]

And eat half of them in the week before finals

[tranquil grove]

I can't stand those, they were the leftovers from halloween a couple years ago

the texture's good and I loved the pinks, but yeah, fake banana flavor is offputting

[cinder karma]

Ioveee the trader Joe's little teensy jellies

I'll buy those for the office every now and then...

[devout vault]

I don't remember being fond of runts, but nerds were great. Probably 75% sugar clumps, but yummmm

[devout vault]

I'm this way about grape candy

[cinder karma]

Sour patch kids

[devout vault]

I love grape jelly

[tranquil grove]

another of my sibling's faves, but those always tasted slightly odd to me for w/e reason, hard to pin down

[cinder karma]

Gushers especially the sour ones

[tranquil grove]

runts are probably my favorite but also weirdly hard to find here

[cinder karma]

Nerds are great

[devout vault]

Also nerds is for some reason reminding me of fun dip. Those were good, and my dad really likes them

[cinder karma]

Oh my god I used to love runts

[tranquil grove]

oh, I had those like a month ago they get a bit samey, but they're fun

[cinder karma]

Haven't had them since summer camp in middle school

[devout vault]

You know despite my starburst gummiburst evangelism I've never had gushers

[cinder karma]

In middle school I also used to do math competitions where they would give us sooo much sugar

And oreos

[devout vault]

Gushers in my memory are basically just those candy they tried to make seem cool in tv commercials for teens (and I didn't watch much tv as a teen, that was mostly when younger that I saw them)

[cinder karma]

Mike and Ike I like despite the fact that they taste like wax

[devout vault]

...why is google telling me that doordash has starburst gummibursts in stock

https://tenor.com/view/the-avengers-marvel-jeremy-renner-clint-barton-hawkeye-gif-17148870

[cinder karma]

In general I like

1. Sour candy
2. Chocolate
3. Peanut butter
4. Fruit flavored sour things
5. Things people peer pressured me into doing

Ie, eating Swedish fish

[devout vault]

Swedish fish???????????????????????????????????? I always hated those

[tranquil grove]

(also I have regrettably few opinions on Trader Joe snacks because,)

[cinder karma]

(I'm glad what I got peer pressured into was walking barefoot in Boston and also running linux.)

[tranquil grove]

once in a while I end up in chicago and it's a good place to grab stuff, but yeah, rare

[devout vault]

Uh. I wonder if the font choice for the marketing was part of the problem. (3rd image on this page) https://www.instacart.com/products/212324-starburst-original-gummiburst-candy-6-oz

[cinder karma]

Oh, you're in Chicago too?

[tranquil grove]

across the indiana border, but I have family in the city itself, yeah

[devout vault]

I'm in chicago right now! (For the next few weeks anyways, I made it through one and a half years here though)

[sand frost]

i like licorice

this is controversial

[cinder karma]

Hey I've driven further for worse

[devout vault]

Skittles has gummies?

[cinder karma]

Knit club is literally a 40 min drive in each direction

[devout vault]

Sweet tarts has gummies? THAT is just wrong

[cinder karma]

Sammmmmeeeeee

Oh oh oh also I like gummy worms

Especially the sour ones

[tranquil grove]

the other half of my family is like, equidistant in the other direction, so we usually meet on that side (or here)

they can escape the city traffic via the train

[cinder karma]

Tl;dr if you put candy in front of me there is a 99% chance I will like it

[sand frost]

i've taken that train!

[cinder karma]

Whoopers too

[sand frost]

they send me email updates forever now

about how they're working really hard to make the train better or something

[cinder karma]

I just don't like paying for candy

[sand frost]

they seem very earnest but also keep having to apologize

[cinder karma]

Elizabeth, Chicago has the weirdest subway

They are above ground

Weirdly

[sand frost]

i've also taken that train!

it wasn't bad

[tranquil grove]

I think the last time I was in chicago was 2020, so I blocked the spam and haven't had the app on my newer phone

the lake shore one that is, never used the other routes yet

[cinder karma]

I walked around that area repeatedly

Found my gym 😛

La fitness signature too, one of the fancy ones

I've never been into an LA fitness signature in Texas

(The one on my commute is a normal one but I like the zumba class so.)

[tranquil grove]

the only gym™️ I've actually been a member of is a roller rink I was way into that as a kid, then just ended up using an old treadmill

[cinder karma]

I would have to drive markedly out of my way to go to the signature

I can't stand treadmills

I fell off one when I was in high school

[tranquil grove]

actual walks/jogs outside are a lot better, but it works in rain/snow

and if I really want to be looking at a video

[cinder karma]

In Boston I would run in snow yeah

Put tape over my shoes to keep my toes warm

[tranquil grove]

I could never stand winter exercise sun doesn't get to me much though

[cinder karma]

Once when it was raining and I ducked into a Starbucks to dry off they gave me a free coffee because I looked like a drowned rat

No, if I'm doing indoor machine cardio it's elliptical, bike, rowing machine, or stairmaster

Zumba class is more fun if less efficient than all of the above

[tranquil grove]

we've got a rowing machine around too because my dad loved those, but my form's still pretty bad with it

(loved as in he's still here, but has a heart condition & shouldn't touch the thing)

[cinder karma]

Another time I was running around Harvard (readers note: I did not go to harvard) at night some guy kept following me 😦

[tranquil grove]

my university had similar issues, though by the time I was attending, every sidewalk had those panic box things & a cop parked in sight

[cinder karma]

It wasn't a problem at the school I was going to because I just ducked into our underground tunnels

But I would roam pretty far while running

To Harvard. To the Target. To the knit store. Around to the hospital, down the river.

[devout vault]

Everyone is lying about this it seems (either the search results lie or the site says they are out of stock)... except one local grocery store on instacart.

...do I make an order with them just to see if it's real? And if is... given how long it's been since they were made (I can't find a specific year anywhere but I know it's been ages).... do I trust them (the candy, not the store)

[sand frost]

I know why it’s true, but I still find it fascinating that a bunch of people across the country from each other still have extremely specific locations in common

[tranquil grove]

sounds like they forgot to delist it, but maybe worth checking

[devout vault]

Maybe, but the possibility is there....

And other stuff mentions being out of stock

[tranquil grove]

(also I'd probably walk for longer if I wasn't in the suburb dimension there are some neat river access spots, but no shops within 30 min)

[cinder karma]

When I lived in the outskirts of Durham I straight up lived in the mountain to sea trail

[devout vault]

I don't know if that was intentional or you meant division, but I'm going with the former for the sake of whimsy

[cinder karma]

So I would run it so often

[tranquil grove]

I guess division makes sense, but yeah, dimension

[cinder karma]

Now. Well

I run around this neighborhood

[tranquil grove]

there was a grocery store here that I walked to sometimes, but they moved out and were replaced with a hardware store, so 🤷

[cinder karma]

There is a lake I like going by

But it's a tad bit more than two miles to the grocery store

Which isn't bad by atra standards

(In Durham when I had the free time I would walk to the grocery store.)

It was about two miles but two miles of forest trails so lovely

And not two miles of suburbia under the Texas sun

[devout vault]

.quickpoll Should casey risk ordering the potentially sketchy long-discontinued beloved candy she has missed for ages? (starburst gummibursts)

(Watch it be fine but not live up to the nostalgia, as things from childhood often do)

[cinder karma]

(I keep meaning to fix up the bike so I can bike to the grocery store.)

[devout vault]

...why does freeze dried starburst exist

[cinder karma]

It's good outdoor exercise

I'm currently still on low impact exercise

And absolutely devastated by the lack of outdoor exercise

Like, for a lifelong runner...three months? This sucks

[devout vault]

I'm choosing to interpret these messages in isolation and ignore context of atra's previous message

[cinder karma]

Weekend after next. Fix up the damn bike so you can bike to the grocery store

Atra, you can do it

[tranquil grove]

I should also do that if, uh, they still work

my sibling's got The Best One elsewhere to commute with sometimes

[cinder karma]

Dad gave me his old bike and I think it needs new inner tubes

Which isn't hard

God I wish I could bike to work

It's not impossible distance wise. 14 miles (about an hour)

It's just I don't want to get run over by a car doing 55mph

[tranquil grove]

yeah, it's still an issue of distance here, plus the bad sidewalks in the commerce area

but they moved into an actual town, so it's like 5 minutes by bike to their current thing

[cinder karma]

Niceeeee

My dad currently has that I'm so jealous

[devout vault]

How did we get from certified-health-risk "different arrangements of sugar and/or high fructose corn syrup" to... exercise 😔

[cinder karma]

The last time I've been off running for sooo long was when I sprained my ankle

I'm in chat, Casey

[tranquil grove]

I'm (mentally) working off the 2000-or-so calories of skittles from this week

[cinder karma]

All I do is work and exercise

[devout vault]

And ask me how packing is going periodically

[cinder karma]

Fun fact

If I type "how" it autocompletes to howgoespacking

[devout vault]

I really wish mentally intensive tasks were a good way to lose weight 😔

[devout vault]

Amazing

[cinder karma]

They can be

I recall math competitons.

God

Mainlining sugar all dayyyyy

[tranquil grove]

rotating asset formats in my mind has yet to make me lose weight, unfortunately

[cinder karma]

What about rotating asset formats on the treadmill

[tranquil grove]

(shouldn't complain because I lose weight pretty quickly when I try I just, uh, have trouble doing that)

I should be doing that

[devout vault]

Programming a bajillion different ideas since the dawn of stardew modding has definitely not substantially affected my weight (at least in a positive way, I'd need to go a long period of time without to have a separate test for if it changes anything - the trend so far as been "up")

[cinder karma]

Tbh some of my best thinking is when I'm swimming because I can't get distracted by anything

[devout vault]

Yeah, I really like food (that I like) 😔

[devout vault]

Many of the silly things I come up with (like the word encryption thign the other day) come from going to the bathroom without my phone (which is basically almost always since even if I have it I never use it, beyond checking a notification that appears while in there)

[cinder karma]

Well you also have hiatuses

[cinder karma]

Also to be fair this is the context I've been looking at sugar in

Like

What's a good replacement for gu

Not that I'm training nearly hard enough for gu to be involved 😦

[devout vault]

I don't know what gu is but since you used a u twice I assume you're not talking about some generic goo

[cinder karma]

https://guenergy.com/products/energy-gel?variant=31169147961395

For proper street races I bring some of these along

For any length 15k or longer

5-10k doesn't need them

I also take them to >20mi practice runs but I havent done one of those in six years and ||I miss it so badly||

(In between 9 and 20 mi practice runs I bring pb and j sandwiches)

But gu is fundamentally just easily digestible sugar

And caffeine which i can get via espresso beans

[tranquil grove]

my only frame of reference for that are my friend's sketchy "weight-lifting energy drink" things

[cinder karma]

I think my calves are actually visibly smaller than they were three months ago

Which usually I don't care about like visually you know

But like

I think I'm losing progress 😦

[tranquil grove]

same happened to my dad after a break, it seems rough to get all the relevant muscles back to size together 🫂

[cinder karma]

I'll get it back - muscle memory is pretty strong - I just miss running

I had the lines of my quads back too 😦

And I usually never take off running except for sickness or injury 😦

That sprained ankle really only took three months

[cinder karma]

I got a protein monster once

Never again

[tranquil grove]

I tried exactly 1 packet of suspicious anime-branded mix because my friend got a lot for free
can't recommend either for the taste or feeling

and a basic monster in like college, but uh, hadn't seen they make them with protein and such

[cinder karma]

Nah, I drink whey protein

I actually don't mind my whey protein. It's pretty tasty

[tranquil grove]

I've heard good things about that, tangentially

[cinder karma]

(I supplement protein b/c is hard to get 70g a day.)

[tranquil grove]

just familiar with the caffeine and psuedo-caffeine drinks more than actual nutrition

[cinder karma]

Hahaha

Oh god

Maybe I should pick up the caffeine pills again lol

[tranquil grove]

I've got some that are good until feb 2026, apparently
had to check because I usually drink too much diet soda instead

[cinder karma]

Tbh today was not a good day

Somewhere I managed to get food poisoning

Thankfully of the type where you just throw up twice and then you're okay

[strange copper]

feel better soon

[tranquil grove]

glad it's "just" that, usually how it goes for me too family tends to get it worse

[cinder karma]

But, it effectively meant I didn't keep lunch so I ended up having to raid work's snack collection at 4pm

(I could have gone home but I didn't feel up to driving.)

Meant to leave earlier but got sidetracked lol

[thin estuary]

I know I’m an Apple fanboy, but man

[dusty pollen]

yikes

oh that looks terrible, good visual design is usually their strong suit

[safe dragon]

wow that's nasty

[dusty pollen]

did they just have an ai round all corners

[safe dragon]

that'd be an interesting choice

[dusty pollen]

"if you don't pay us money you have to give us permission to sell your data" is a sucky business move

[safe dragon]

GDPR would like to have a word if this website is available here

[dusty pollen]

that is the guardian

so, they should be bound by it through UK law lmao

[dusty pollen]

https://www.theguardian.com

[safe dragon]

we get a nice "no, thank you"

[dusty pollen]

so rude

we have the same gdpr as you guys!

[crystal wren]

The difference is that one governing body will actually take a sizeable chunk out of them for it.

[dusty pollen]

the annoying thing is that it's the guardian so they're going to keep on pretending this is in the name of ethical journalism

what happened to "always free" or whatever they used to say

[crystal wren]

I've seen this on a few news sites, and I just always immediately put them on my do-not-click list.

[dusty pollen]

same, I just didn't expect it from the guardian (not because they're angels but because they like to pretend they are)

like, I wasn't too shocked about the daily express or whatever it's called

[crystal wren]

This genuinely prompted me to check a few UK paper sites, and... the Mirror doesn't seem to have a cookie popup at all?

[dusty pollen]

hold on, paying doesn't even make it ad free! the audacity of asking for streaming service money and not even disabling ads...

[crystal wren]

That one does not shock me.

[dusty pollen]

so the guardian really just went "either you give us your information or you give us your information", huh

tbf it's the mirror, if you try to complain they'll probably send piers morgan to tell you you're abandoning british values or something

[cyan shadow]

The ICO does have the same teeth as a DPA, to be fair...

[devout vault]

Very tiny annoyance: Sometimes I want to move back 5 or 15 seconds in a youtube video (text that disappeared too quickly, random cat spotted, etc.) and if it's a long one I can't really do that without going back a whole minute or two.

(Finally watching the hbomberguy plagiarism video for the first time)

(And no, holding the "go back a frame" key binding is not useful for that, since youtube clearly throws most of that away pretty quickly and so constantly has to rebuffer as you go backwards)

[crystal wren]

J/L does 10 seconds, and left/right does 5 if that helps?

[devout vault]

Amazing, thank you. Hope I don't forget this in 5 minutes

But... why j and l? My first thought was vim keybindings (because developers make these things after all) but that's down and right apparently, so that doesn't really check out

[crystal wren]

Video editor key bind convention!

[devout vault]

Oh, huh

[crystal wren]

K also pauses/resumes as part of that same convention. The letter ones work anywhere on the page too.

[cyan shadow]

(If you drag the progress bar up you can seek pretty much frame by frame)

[cyan shadow]

Ope, I missed this

[crystal wren]

And yeah, the frame by frame seeking is horrendously slow for... no reason?

[devout vault]

It's fine until it tries to go past the 1-2 second buffer that is still in memory

[crystal wren]

For me, it's immediately bad for backwards, even 5 frames.

[devout vault]

That makes sense, I wondered about that but didn'tn want to bother testing

[devout vault]

Maybe I got lucky when I tried it a moment ago, because that's definitely happened to me before too

[cinder karma]

#making-mods-general 😛

[pliant snow]

HOW IS MY WINDOWS START MENU ALWAYS BROKEN

[cyan shadow]

Because you're using the standard one instead of a modded one, I'm assuming

Mine was like that until I got a windhawk mod

[safe dragon]

a backwards world

it's broken because you didn't mod it

[fleet wren]

looked it up, waow, a mod manager for windows

[marble jewel]

Here's my riced up Windows 11

[safe dragon]

even winfetch

incredible

[pliant snow]

what is windhawk

will my employer be mad at me for using it lol

[safe dragon]

yes

I'd frankly be surprised if you can even install it to begin with

[vestal hull]

I was using 7+ Taskbar Tweaker as long as I could.

[pliant snow]

boo

[vestal hull]

Windows kind of killed ricing for me. It's so much more difficult and shit breaks constantly.

[cinder karma]

Tbh the registery edit that restores the win10 menu is good enough for me

And the windows 10 right click menu

But also

[safe dragon]

I don't understand the new right click menu. Like I understand that the old one was being abused with random stuff being inserted into it but like... why is Rename not even on it

[cinder karma]

My windows 11 machine is used to ssh to a Linux machine 80% of the time

[vestal hull]

Yeah. I can hate Windows all I want but it's cool they leave this stuff in. They have this, like, insane commitment to backwards compatibility. Probably begrudgingly.

[safe dragon]

renaming a file is a very basic usecase

now you gotta either do the funky text click thing or F2 or shift right click for the real menu

[vestal hull]

I understand the right click menu redesign but it seems like a disaster. The whole argument for accessibility and it being easier for noobs falls apart when a normal user has to click "show more options" more than once.

Rename is just an icon on the top most of the time.

Although I believe anyone if they say it doesn't show up.

[safe dragon]

there's icons on the top?

[vestal hull]

Yeah.

[safe dragon]

sigh I'll turn on my work laptop to check

[vestal hull]

I have all this stuff disabled so I am going off of an internet screenshot for this one.

But when I have to use a regular Windows device it's usually there for me. I have so many friends not notice this.

It would be so much less obtuse if they just had it in the list normally with the name.

Totally understand why they did this though.

[pliant snow]

I understand the right click changes, but I think I'd be more receptive of it if they had actually cleaned up all the other old UI running around

Windows UI looks like what people think Linux UI looks like, with random bits everywhere

[vestal hull]

To their credit they are doing this.

[safe dragon]

oh that thing

[vestal hull]

You still have a lot of advanced settings hidden in the old menus but it is what it is.

[safe dragon]

it does indeed appear in the menu

I always ignore that 3rd button cause I had no idea what I was looking at

what's the point of them being there and not just normal options with text

[vestal hull]

Probably some feedback they got was the context menu was too bloated and confusing. Which I get it. You're going from 1000 options to 7 when you right click.

[safe dragon]

now that I look at it more closely I understand why that's supposed to mean rename

[vestal hull]

I have to use the registry to remove so many useless context menu items.

I will never need to use Share or Restore previous version.

[safe dragon]

from a distance it looks more like a partially unwrapped eraser to me

[pliant snow]

oh shit the candy bar button

[safe dragon]

partially unwrapped candy bar works too

who knew that was rename man

I've discovered new things

meanwhile I've just gotten used to F2 out of necessity

[pliant snow]

Why F2 when you can use oil.nvim

[safe dragon]

very true

I shall install that on my work pc immediately

[vestal hull]

It's dumb. It's probably OK if the context menu sucks. You don't have to fix every minor problem.

Or just better tools to manage your context menu to remove a lot of the bloat Windows and other programs add.

[cyan shadow]

that looks sick as hell ngl
how wide is your monitor??

[marble jewel]

It's a 49" diagonal which I think is equivalent to two 21" monitors side-by-side

[cyan shadow]

long boi

[marble jewel]

It's no different than a dual monitor setup, but I prefer it to lose the bezel

[cyan shadow]

I've been meaning to get a monitor but I need to mount it on one of those swivel stands so I can move it out of the way when I eat

(desk is also the kitchen table, which only seats two, quite small)

[marble jewel]

For gaming, I can treat it as a single monitor, but it can also operate in split-screen mode where Windows sees it as two monitors

[cyan shadow]

that's very cool

do games struggle with the ultra-wide res or nah

[marble jewel]

Older games maybe, but otherwise everything seems to work

Sometimes games add bezels to the side

For older games, I've sometimes had to mod the UI so that they're more in the center of the screen

[cyan shadow]

.... why the dickens are all my screenshots on onedrive I could've sworn I'd stopped backing stuff up to it

BASAFAJKGAGJKAHGJLGH

[marble jewel]

flawlesswidescreen.org has all the tweaks needed to make older games work

[vestal hull]

It's so funny because I have a less insane ultrawide now and it hurts my neck. I was also getting major nausea for the longest time before I figured out a window arrangement that worked for me.

[cyan shadow]

should've guessed there'd be lots of resources to get things working, lol

[vestal hull]

I've also just given up and run games borderless at 1440p most of the time.

[cyan shadow]

hmm

onedrive causes windows explorer to crash if it's trying to delete files from its servers

all the more reason to simply stop using it

[cyan shadow]

(I should mention, I stopped backing up to it ages ago, but the stupid program remains on my laptop)

(It won't let me remap the Pictures library folder back to the default location, so I'm probably just gonna back everything on it up to my local disk, nuke onedrive, then do the default settings again)

[dusty pollen]

(it's the first thing I uninstall when I install windows)

[cyan shadow]

(I got 1TB of space thanks to being on a family plan with my uncle so I was using it, but now I have Proton so like
might as well use it and not have things on onedrive and gdrive anymore)

[dusty pollen]

on the other hand, I found out yesterday that the right click menu on windows 10 causes crashes whenever programs add a few items to it because it ends up too long and gets corrupted somehow???

I found this out when I had to try to fix windows suddenly not letting me make new folders

(how did the registry value for that even break...)

[crystal wren]

I just need someone to make a (real) Photoshop alternative for Linux, and I'm going to be completely set.

[cursive sigil]

very long screen

[pliant snow]

What's the pop up application launcher?

[marble jewel]

That's part of PowerToys

The Application Launcher is one of the built in modules for Command Palette, and I have a few 3rd party ones to integrate with "Everything" for file search and one to launch any of my VS solutions.

[wind whale]

Me trying to run photoshop for class on my school macbook

[cinder karma]

I don't think I ever not wanted in-line numbers in my ide

Why is the default false

Also I'm starting to believe no one should implement their own ide

[ivory shadow]

I want line numbers in all text editors. If I'm writing anything, I want to be able to quickly determine where I am.

[dusty pollen]

which ide committed this sin?

[pliant snow]

i mean, vim

[marble jewel]

Is vim considered to be an IDE?

[fleet wren]

with enough willpower and other people's configs yes

[cinder karma]

Cadence

Not only is line numbers not default, you can't make them default

[dusty pollen]

bad

[cinder karma]

Also why I was griping about the text editor even existing

When instead they could have simply launched my preferred text editor

[marble jewel]

The end-all-be-all editor will be Microsoft's Edit

[cinder karma]

Could have just launched vim

[safe dragon]

microsoft edit will change everything

it doesn't have any configuration options whatsoever and that's how it should be

[marble jewel]

It's opinionated with all the right opinions

[fleet wren]

are we talking GNOME

[marble jewel]

I mean, the only thing it really needs is AI

[devout vault]

...was the windows start menu made by bethesda???

[devout vault]

I may or may not be judging you for that on screen mouse/keyboard (or is that just for recording?)

Also no a fan of tiling window managers (never used one though), outside of maybe a steam deck with a wider screen

[devout vault]

Yeah I hate the new right click, one of the first things I turned off when I got this PC

[pliant snow]

If so, can I pay for start menu horse armor?

[devout vault]

I got powertoys at one point but use almost nothing from it - can't even recall why I got it. Maybe the File Locksmith module.

I suppose every once in a while I use the double-left-control for mouse highlighting thing. But I didn't realize that was power toys until now

[pliant snow]

what does the double left control do

[devout vault]

Might I point you to windowblinds? (Or whatever the equivalent is these days)

[pliant snow]

oh

why don't you just right click

which would bring up a menu, right where your mouse is

[devout vault]

Because you can't always trust clicking not to do something

And isn't universal - like, some spots in some windows don't have right click menus

[pliant snow]

whooom

[devout vault]

(It went away when I clicked it looks like, but it seems to work with any keyboard key for turning off as well)

...I wonder if there is a modern version of something like windowblinds

I don't use wallpaper engine because my desktop is always 80% covered anyways

But the window themes...

Looking at windhawk since it was mentioned earlier... is this what I think it is???? https://windhawk.net/mods/taskbar-grouping

I have my taskbar configured to not group apps into a single icon, and also have window titles showing down there. But I can't rearrange windows in a single program and I hate that

Especially when firefox restarts and decides to rearrange the order windows are in

[pliant snow]

just to spite you

[fleet wren]

isnt windowblinds still a thing (havent used it)

[devout vault]

Apparently so

But it's paid

[fleet wren]

always have been i think

[devout vault]

Well yeah, but I somehow doubt my license from who knows how long ago (also old email address for extra irrecoverability) still works

...how has the site with windowblinds skins not changed

Since when does any corporation not redesign the entire website every few years

According to the steam reviews of windowblinds (not sure why it's on steam now...), a lot of people have tons of problems with it...

[fleet wren]

freaking krita is on steam apparently

I have been rather out of the loop on ricing windows on account of well, not using windows

wdym windows have WMs now

when are we getting compiz on windows

[cinder karma]

Update

If I set some arcane environment variables

I can get vim

According to my boss this is fragile but I am willing to try it

[devout vault]

What does ricing windows mean. Are we putting rice on top of our harddrives now

[cinder karma]

https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/3iy3wd/stupid_question_what_is_ricing/

[devout vault]

That's weird

[dusty pollen]

(it's a term from people who used to customise cars as far as I know. It's essentially aesthetic customisation)

(but for Men™️)

[devout vault]

I don't call haphazardly throwing together a bunch of old code to make something new "souping", but okay

(this just in: all of casey's mods are made of soup)

[dusty pollen]

soup

do you think cereal is a kind of soup, Casey

[devout vault]

I think it might technically fit, but my personal perception of soup requires it to be served hot

[dusty pollen]

gazpacho

[devout vault]

(At least intended to be hot, I'm sure there are many people who eat cold soup, just like cold pizza)

[dusty pollen]

.g gazpacho

[heavy dagger]

https://www.gimmesomeoven.com/authentic-gazpacho-recipe/

[dusty pollen]

(served cold, intentionally!)

[devout vault]

See, that's what I mean by my personal perception. It might technically be soup, but it's not what I think of as soup since it isn't hot

[cinder karma]

Good morning

[fleet wren]

why are we reviving the soup debate

[cinder karma]

I feel like men can be aesthetic

[dusty pollen]

anyway I have an assignment chart for this

[devout vault]

And before you ask, it's not cereal either

[dusty pollen]

I'm passionate about asking everyone about it

[devout vault]

Cereal is milk exclusive.

"cold soup can have milk" no, the milk has to be the only liquid

This does mean that pouring milk into a bowl of croutons is technically cereal, but that's basically what the shredded wheat cereal is anyways

[dusty pollen]

     | Sweet     | Savoury
---------------------------
Hot  | Hot Cocoa | Soup
Cold | Cereal    | Gazpacho

[devout vault]

(These things)

[devout vault]

I don't feel like this is a fair chart, since hot cocoa is intended as a drink and not a meal

[dusty pollen]

all ends up in the same place

vehicle of delivery is irrelevant

[cinder karma]

I was sad about my calves yesterday

[dusty pollen]

the fancy Belgian chocolate people drink it with a spoon out of a bowl

[devout vault]

That's irrelevant, otherwise we're putting things like sandwiches and food skewers on your chart

[dusty pollen]

they're not liquids

[devout vault]

And I do that with my chocolate shakes when the delivery order doesn't give me a straw, doesn't change anything

[devout vault]

What % of liquid is required to fit on your chart

[dusty pollen]

it absolutely does, it puts it on the consumable liquid alignment chart

substantial%

[devout vault]

See, I was understanding this as a food alignment chart, not "subset of liquids that can be consumed chart"

Title your charts properly and this whole argument could've been avoided

[dusty pollen]

you see I considered it

[devout vault]

How definitive and not vague at all, perfect

[dusty pollen]

but I was hoping to avoid naming a chart "consumable liquids"

[devout vault]

There's a joke here to be made about the whole thing about putting soup in a thermos to eat throughout the day

[devout vault]

I'm suddenly realizing the... other things that might fit in that category, so understandable

Ignoring the first implication, "Everything is consumable at least once"

Completely unrelated but I can't wait for the next anime season to start. I'm tired of having a three day period each week with nothing new

[cinder karma]

What soup debate

[dusty pollen]

is cereal soup

[cinder karma]

Morning, casey!

[cinder karma]

Okay

[dusty pollen]

similar debate to the hot dog debate (is a hot dog a sandwich)

kinda weird that we think about one as the soup debate (the category) and one as the hot dog debate (the item)

[sand frost]

A hot dog is a particular subtype of sandwich along with submarine sandwiches

It’s also kin to tacos

[dusty pollen]

but is cereal soup

[cinder karma]

I'm far too employed to care

[sand frost]

Cereal is soup

[worn remnant]

the whole thing is weird. why do we need to argue about the status of hot dogs

are they delicious? (no) that's the metric that matters

[dusty pollen]

ran out of other things to argue about that aren't depressing

[sand frost]

When I first heard this argument, the answer was “it’s college”

Hot dogs are not delicious but the Costco hot dog is great value

[devout vault]

Can't recall if I showed it here, found this last time we discussed adjacent things https://cuberule.com/

[sand frost]

So I still eat them sometimes

They taste nostalgic

[devout vault]

Excuse you, hot dogs are delicious. But only the beef ones, and not with all the crazy toppings they like here in chicago

[sand frost]

Where else can you feed a family of 6 for under $10?

[devout vault]

Okay, maybe "delicious" is a bit too charged

But they're definitely pretty good

[sand frost]

Tacos, on the other hand, are delicious

Unless you live outside the range of good tacos

In which case they taste like disappointment

Northeastern US is notably worse than California

[dusty pollen]

so do all things with no structural starch belong to the same category

[sand frost]

Needs further study

[rain apex]

Aw yea #food-alignment-charts

[sand frost]

Plz award grant money to study by eating tacos

[devout vault]

They're all salad, what didy ou not understand

Also the ethoslab video of the month dropped, brb for like 30min

[cinder karma]

God costco

[rain apex]

So do u think sushi burrito is a sandwich

[sand frost]

It’s a burrito

It’s in the name

[rain apex]

But is burrito sandwich

[sand frost]

Nah burritos are a different category

[dusty pollen]

I'm very happy that this person put toast in a category other than toast

[rain apex]

Well thats a toast sandwich

[worn remnant]

quesadilla (non-folded)
this is a load-bearing caption. take away this person's computer

[cinder karma]

What

Anyways

How goes programming, programmmers

God I miss Anna's quesadillas

[worn remnant]

the non-stardew thing i'm working on is coming along! finally past the frustrating part of the piece i'm working on

[cinder karma]

Yayyyyyyyyy

[devout vault]

Oooo, what are you working on?

[cinder karma]

I'm sooo fucking tired

[devout vault]

I should really work on one of my mc mod ideas. Or at least one of my game ideas

[worn remnant]

minna ni naisho dayo (sorry i don't have a japanese IME set up rn)

[rain apex]

a secret to everyone

[devout vault]

My understanding would be equally lacking if it was in japanese characters

Oh

Well, guess the translation doesn't help then

[worn remnant]

"it's a secret to everybody", what the moblin says in OG zelda

[rain apex]

IchorSecretProject.so

will we ever find out

[devout vault]

Can you give a hint

[cinder karma]

I love ichor secret projects

[devout vault]

Or I guess "Would you", unless you're literally incapable of it

[cinder karma]

Ichor is literally incapable of it

https://youtu.be/ks58eJScLrY?si=YGFp8t4aUQ6elTKh

[worn remnant]

will we ever find out
maybe!
can you give a hint
it's written in C

[cinder karma]

Well played, Mr food wishes.

[devout vault]

I meant a hint as to the hint product not on a technical level 😛

I'm just gonna assume it's something low level like arduino stuff then

[worn remnant]

higher than that, but lower than a PC

[rain apex]

ok im not too far with the .so then

[cinder karma]

GBA?

[pliant snow]

my feet

[rain apex]

IchorSecretKernelModule

[cinder karma]

SNES?

[worn remnant]

atra took notes

[devout vault]

Oooo, kernel module? That sounds exciting

[cinder karma]

Atra named the only handheld they knew about

Atra is very dumb

[pliant snow]

it was super effective

[worn remnant]

i defy anyone to bring up a C compiler for the SNES. the cpu is so not made for it. the GBA on the other hand is arm7tdmi

[devout vault]

Is this a challenege to get C# (runtime, not AOT) running on the SNES I hear? /s