programmers-off-topic

[cinder karma]

Like. The barefoot.

Especially outdoors

[devout vault]

Brb sending this to my parents with the caption "Huh"

[cyan shadow]

i may live in the netherlands now and finally saw snow in November, but I grew up wearing sleeveless tops and shorts in winter

[cinder karma]

Quill, I would bop around in a skirt and a t shirt in a Boston winter

[dusty pollen]

is this one of those ND "oh my god none of my experiences are unique" moments? my favourite is breaking people with adhd's minds by informing them I know they have said the sentence "caffeine actually makes me sleepy!" at least once

[cinder karma]

My metabolism keeps me warm

[dusty pollen]

or asking people with adhd what joint/connective tissue disorder they have

[cinder karma]

Ah. To be young and dumb again XD

[cinder karma]

Oh yeah

[cyan shadow]

the only people that walk around in summer clothes in my current city in the winter appear to be Canadian

[cinder karma]

Lidocaine escapes on me

[devout vault]

Proof:
(The image takes so much space because I just screenshotted the expanded version with the from Cleveland clinic comment. So I guess congrats iro, my parents have now heard of you)

[dusty pollen]

mum look I'm famous

[cursive sigil]

i'm not diagnosed with anything besides anxiety and depression but i do have a hunch i might have ADHD, unfortunately whe i asked my therapist about it she said you can only get diagnosed with ADHD as a child here, so tought luck for me i guess

[cinder karma]

Barefoot no jacket eating from the free food dunkin donuts put out at midnight

Ahhh to be young and dumb

[cyan shadow]

dunkin :((((

[dusty pollen]

go to a different country, get diagnosed, come back /lh

[cyan shadow]

(they went bankrupt here, I miss getting a donut)

[cinder karma]

Freeeee dunkins too

[devout vault]

Oh, thanks for reminding me.
Let's add "depression" to my brain's mental health spaghetti code from #programmers-off-topic message

[cursive sigil]

...can i?

[cyan shadow]

you have an eu insurance card, I assume

in which case yes, you can actually just go to idk
spain
and see if you can get on the list there

[cursive sigil]

hmmmmm

[cyan shadow]

it's so easy for you lot

relatively

[dusty pollen]

kind of, diagnoses do somewhat transfer (as you know from other things lmao), but the first thing is to get a second opinion, because doctors sometimes just say that stuff for no reason

[cyan shadow]

I have student insurance and can't register with a gp as a result

[cinder karma]

Tbh scarlett I personally have not even started looking at getting an official dx for...anything

[dusty pollen]

there are still psychs who say you can't be autistic and have adhd

[cyan shadow]

i just go to the clinic for internationals

[cinder karma]

Medicating me is touchy anyways b/c of the minimal medication bipolar thing

[cyan shadow]

(don't even try the netherlands tho the psych waiting list is a few months long, I'm told)

[dusty pollen]

over here you better go private for adhd diagnoses, otherwise good luck with that

[cyan shadow]

it's expensive enough here without insurance, I don't wanna know what private care costs

[devout vault]

My mom's two responses:

• "You toe-walk?"
• "Is there any doubt? 😂 "

She's not wrong, there are a lot of factors for me even if I haven't been diagnosed 😂

[dusty pollen]

private being private insurance too, not just direct, but it honestly might be less than you think, though still a massive amount

[cyan shadow]

ah

[cinder karma]

I've been doing the thing where I just read self help books and pretend lol

[dusty pollen]

anyway, speaking of adhd

[cinder karma]

But also like, well, well

[dusty pollen]

imma go to sleep

night guys

[cinder karma]

What would I do different with a real dx? Pretty much nothing

[cyan shadow]

goodnight iro!

[devout vault]

.......what.

They literally have a much higher than normal... whatever the term is for having both at once. Comorbidity comes to mind but "morbid" makes me think of death so doubt that's the right word

[cinder karma]

Night night iro

[cyan shadow]

here's hoping I finish my exam before 4

[cursive sigil]

Good night iro

[devout vault]

(It doesn't help that many words I know how to use but not the formal definition)

[cinder karma]

Should I get boba y/n

[dusty pollen]

comorbidity is correct, and yeah

it's an old requirement from like the dsm 3

[cyan shadow]

i have until 9am tomorrow morning to submit but if I sleep now I'm gonna sleep like the dead so i can't

[dusty pollen]

we're currently on 5 so... not really valid any more

[cursive sigil]

Yes and then try to explain to me what it's like because i've never had it

[devout vault]

Medicine is a really weird and dangerous profession to refuse to use latest info and only stick with old stuff

[cinder karma]

Lol

I had to explain creatine to doc

[devout vault]

Like, imagine if your airplane engineers were using science from a century or two ago. Or nuclear physicists ignoring the existance of atoms and smaller

[dusty pollen]

I like the stupid westernised boba and I will not apologise, I literally order chocolate milk with bursting mango spheres and no tapioca

[cinder karma]

(In particular, why creatine will falsely make your glomular filtration rate look bad)

[cyan shadow]

I like mango tea with strawberry popping, no shame in it

[dusty pollen]

but for real now night, I'm gonna shut off my computer before I keep messaging

[cursive sigil]

Iro go eep

[cinder karma]

Iro I get southern boba

Hibiscus

[cyan shadow]

what is southern boba

[devout vault]

That sounds good if you exclude everything that isn't chocolate milk!

[cinder karma]

If you're not from the south you don't know how much we like hibiscus

[cyan shadow]

hibiscus boba sounds very nice, i have to admit

[cursive sigil]

I'm with you

[devout vault]

I don't know what boba is besides chunky cold tea

[cyan shadow]

I'm from the south, just not US south

[devout vault]

"blobby" might be more accurate

But the point still stands

[cinder karma]

I think you're in a region that also likes hibiscus tea?

Not sure

[cyan shadow]

I've never had hibiscus tea

we do masala in our tea

and the dutch drink coffee

[devout vault]

I'm from the south (if FL counts) and I don't know.

My twin brother that is a professional tea snob probably understands what you're talking about though

[cyan shadow]

not good coffee, but coffee

[devout vault]

He probably considers boba as sacrilege or something

[cyan shadow]

(if crumble sees this, fite me mate the coffee here ain't it)

[cinder karma]

Lol

[cyan shadow]

i come from coffee country

i miss it

[cinder karma]

Damn, it's popular in Thailand though

I must have misremembered

[cyan shadow]

(karnataka grows most of India's coffee, and I lived a few hours away from the fields)

[cinder karma]

Coffee is not good away from the tropics

[sand frost]

lol I certainly did not but I witnessed a lot of it

[devout vault]

My twin also is a coffee hater.

I am too but purely for taste reasons, not because of tea superiority

[cinder karma]

Your twin is wrong

[cyan shadow]

the dutch import it but not from india, so I can't find my preferred type anywhere

[cursive sigil]

I just drink water

[cyan shadow]

I've instructed DadQuill to bring me some

they're visiting in October!

bringing snacks and coffee!

until then, I'm waiting for exam season to end so bestie and I can go visit another city that actually has south indian restaurants

i want a dosa

I've earned it

nice big masala dosa with an entire cow's worth of ghee on it

[devout vault]

I first read this as some sort of Nyqil type thing, which confused me on many levels. (Why is your parental nickname a medicine pun, does he function as medicine somehow? Or if it's not a parent nickname, how is medicine going to bring you anything physical (ie. not relief for your body or something))

[sand frost]

Chewy cold tea!

[cinder karma]

FL kinda doesn't sorry

It's super popular in Georgia

God I'm so tired

[cyan shadow]

he's an extremely capable engineer with an mba, calling him a contradiction is better than any medical pun

[cursive sigil]

Oh atra it was friday today

[cinder karma]

Oh fuck

Fuck fuck fuck

[devout vault]

English sentences with food types I haven't heard of (usually ones originating from not-America to be fair to my uncultured self) are always funny to me because it's like someone is playing madlibs, but they did it in another language and didn't expect the madlib to be english for some reason

[cursive sigil]

I can stop reminding you if you want you know?

[devout vault]

I was in MS through third grade, does that count? Or too far removed from the period of life I actually remember more than small fragments of?

[cyan shadow]

there's potato in the tube

[cursive sigil]

Just a potato?

[devout vault]

I assume that covers "masala" and "dosa" but what's ghee

[cinder karma]

MS is more south

[cyan shadow]

clarified butter!

[cursive sigil]

Ghee is clarified bu-

[cinder karma]

Tbh casey I'm texan so I'm not really south either

[devout vault]

Clarified butter? I'm assuming you don't mean clarified as in "I meant butter not ghee" because even autocorrect wouldn't attempt to do that

[cyan shadow]

potato, onion, coriander, chilli, podi powder (i don't know what that is in english)

[devout vault]

This is so funny to me considering FL's "center of mass" is further south than MS's

[cyan shadow]

this stuff
idk how to explain it, really

[cinder karma]

Butter without the milk solids, casey

You can heat it up further without burning

God I'm so tired

So exhausted

[cursive sigil]

If you melt butter the solids separate, ghee is what remains when you remove the solids

[cyan shadow]

(dutch wikipedia insists an alternative spelling is "ghi" and no, Marijn, ghi is not a valid spelling how would you feel if i said an alternative spelling of Marijn is Marino)

y'all know ghee better than I do

[cinder karma]

Culturally American south

[cyan shadow]

I just know it stinks when you make it

[devout vault]

Do they consider marijna = marinara or something

[cinder karma]

I'm a damn good cook

When I care to be

[cyan shadow]

(marijn is a dutch name, I just assigned it to the editor of this article out of spite)

[devout vault]

I know culturally yeah but it's fun playing with different meanings of the same word (especially since south is typically thought of on its own as geography not culture) 😛

[cyan shadow]

who is out here calling ghee ghi i want to find them and take them on in hand to hand combat

[devout vault]

Ah.

[devout vault]

This sound suspiciously like mozzarella and ricotta but heat instead of acid

[cinder karma]

Anyways. Casey do you like Indian food

[sand frost]

I like Indian food

Except when there’s cashews

Or almonds

[devout vault]

The little I've had scared me because spicy. I'm your stereotypical white person when it comes to spice, you see.

(Taco bell mild sauce is probably as high as I'd like to go)

[cursive sigil]

I've never had indian food

[cyan shadow]

OH
that reminds me
I found an indian grocery store online that has indian foods and snackies
I ordered sweets and guavas and yum

[sand frost]

I eat palak paneer and it’s usually p mild

I thought about buying guavas today but I wasn’t sure if they’d be good

[cyan shadow]

butter chicken is milder than the taco bell mild sauce imo

[cursive sigil]

I love spicy though

[devout vault]

And I've actually had it home cooked not a restaurant - my faculty friend at the college I went to had dinner nights occasionally and invited me when they happened the last couple years of college (and the ones after that until I moved)

[cyan shadow]

mine are still in their packaging, I didn't take them out today because if I did bestie and I would stress eat them all

[cinder karma]

Fucking love Indian food

[sand frost]

Palak paneer may not be Casey food bc it has a lot of spinach otoh it is cooked very nicely and I would recommend it if you wanted to try a new food experience

[cinder karma]

One day.

Quill if I visit you

Samosa 💖

[cyan shadow]

if you visit you're getting boerenkool with a side of prawn masala curry I'm in a very weird culinary space rn

SAMOSAS

[devout vault]

Update:

[sand frost]

I get samosas from Trader Joe’s

[cinder karma]

Samosa is probably something you'll like casey

[sand frost]

I got hojicha boba today

Ask your twin if that helps

[cyan shadow]

i have my grandma's recipe, I'll perfect making it soon enough

[sand frost]

The hojicha was all fancy n stuff

[cyan shadow]

valid, they're a lot of work

onion samosas or chicken or what's the filling of choice here

(i like beef ones and chicken)

[cinder karma]

I've also never made my own samosa

[sand frost]

I feel like “thing wrapped with dough” is like, I know how to make it but also it takes like 5 hours so I buy it frozen

[devout vault]

If you're wondering where he is on the tea alignment chart, I asked him recently and he was preparation neutral ingredient purist

Can't recall if I showed it here, for reference:

[cyan shadow]

ask him how he feels about tea masala

[cinder karma]

A lifetime ago when I lived off the leftovers from student group meetings I loved it when we got Indian food

[sand frost]

So matcha is tea but herbal tea isn’t tea?

[cinder karma]

Herbal tea is not a tea

[devout vault]

I don't know what that is.

[cinder karma]

It is a tinseau

[cyan shadow]

just got myself a box today, I'm very excited to use it

[sand frost]

Tisane?

[devout vault]

Tell me what a masala is in case he asks (he might know, but I don't know)

[cinder karma]

Tisane

[cyan shadow]

meat/veggie wrapped in a dough wrapper and fried

[cinder karma]

That.

[devout vault]

....ravioli?

[cinder karma]

Yup

[cursive sigil]

Is it just meat?

[cyan shadow]

it's ground spices, tea masala is specifically spices meant to go in tea

[rain apex]

is orange juice tea

[devout vault]

I guess ravioli isn't fried

[cyan shadow]

that's the italian take on filling in dough, yes

[sand frost]

I know this word only bc of our mutual friend 😆

[cyan shadow]

this is a samosa

[cinder karma]

If it isn't this plant it isn't tea https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camellia_sinensis

[sand frost]

Samoas 🤤

[cyan shadow]

observe the pyramid
witness the potato
imagine the rich aroma

[sand frost]

Hibiscus not tea?

[cinder karma]

Fuck yeah samoas

[cyan shadow]

and get hungry

[cinder karma]

Technically no

[sand frost]

What about wintermelon tea?

[cinder karma]

If it isn't that one species it isn't tea

[cyan shadow]

(note: this does not include chilli, if you put chilli in your tea you need help)

[sand frost]

What if it’s just a little cayenne

[cyan shadow]

NO

[sand frost]

Tiny tiny pinch w ginger and cinnamon

[cyan shadow]

...

[cinder karma]

Cayenne is good in teas

[cyan shadow]

that might work, I hate to admit

[sand frost]

And nutmeg

[cyan shadow]

christmas tea

[cinder karma]

Also 1.2 grams of caffeine powder

[cursive sigil]

Is mulled wine tea then

[rain apex]

official top 5 tea of all time trust

1. Green Tea (leaf directly in the hot water pls)
2. HK style milk tea (reverse imported from the bri'ish)
3. Chrysanthemum Tea (ok this doesnt have any tea tea in it)
4. Matcha Red Bean Milk Tea (tastes of degeneracy)
5. The tea bags i throw into the pot for tea egg

[cyan shadow]

I do ginger, honey and lemon when I'm sick, but my standard teabags are just normal ginger teabags

[devout vault]

Updated update. (Later followed up with "Yes. Yes, to me it is sacrilege :B", still waiting on other "is it tea?" clarifications)

[sand frost]

I do think boba is highly dependent on your feelings about chewy desserts

I happen to love chewy desserts

[cyan shadow]

and how you handle texture, too

[sand frost]

Maybe also secondarily your feelings on mixing textures

[rain apex]

u can get TW style milk tea without tapioca tho

[sand frost]

Like having a chewy thing in your liquid thing

[rain apex]

i personally like sago or red bean more

[sand frost]

I do like milk tea

[cyan shadow]

my dad tried tapioca pearl boba and the look on his face confirmed my 15-year long suspicion that he has texture issues

mom liked it, on the other hand

[sand frost]

Taiwanese soy milk tea surprised me w how good it was

[devout vault]

Re: other tea classifications

@rain apex apparently you need to be bonked

[rain apex]

[cyan shadow]

technically?

[cursive sigil]

Asl him about the mulled wine

[rain apex]

idk im pretty sure masala chai is just

spicy tea right

[sand frost]

Yr twin is v consistent w my tea snob friend 😆

[devout vault]

I mean, the argument was is it tea, not is it good 😛

[rain apex]

thats literally what the word means?

[cyan shadow]

ye

[rain apex]

i no longer trust this tea snob

[sand frost]

Boba has tea in it! The way I drink it

[cyan shadow]

but masala chai is just ginger and cardamom and cinnamon, usually

[sand frost]

I actually bought real loose leaf black tea specifically to make better boba milk tea at home

[devout vault]

I'm not sure I like that, but having a liquid thing in my chewy thing (like the old starburst gummibursts, RIP) is a different story

[cyan shadow]

and/or

Malayalis do banger cardamom chai

[sand frost]

Unfortunately these days my caffeine tolerance is dreadful and I can barely handle black tea

But I still have it sometimes bc it tasty

[cyan shadow]

they also put too much milk in so they lose points, but good tea nonethelss

[sand frost]

Poll: sweetened condensed milk in tea?

[cyan shadow]

no

tried it, not a fan

[devout vault]

If I stuff a pizza in a pot of soup, is it still pizza?

[sand frost]

In coffee?

[cinder karma]

Yesish

Yesish.

(To both)

[sand frost]

No but it is still soup

[cinder karma]

I'm quite sensitive to sugar in my caffeine

And prefer straight caffeine no sugar

[cyan shadow]

I'm in law school, I drink coffee black /lh

[sand frost]

We have completely opposite ingredient sensitivities

[cinder karma]

I'm an engineer

[cyan shadow]

(fr tho, I just prefer it black)

[sand frost]

I can’t have black coffee it taste bad

[devout vault]

What does alchohol have to do with tea?

He's incredibly busy right now (read: playing a TTRPG with friends, online), I don't want to waste his time with nonsense

[sand frost]

I keep trying and it keeps tasting bad

[cinder karma]

I know the relative price of caffeine pills, coffee, and questionable caffeine powder you get on Amazon

[sand frost]

Oh dear

[cyan shadow]

I studied food law, I'm not touching the questionable stuff

(elective in my third year, it was quite a fun course)

[devout vault]

This is why I don't like coffee, I don't like coffee flavor.

Just give me chocolate milk with caffeine injections instead (not that I really have any caffeine, but if I needed some, this would be preferable)

(But it wouldn't exactly help me stay awake given the whole ADHD thing)

[sand frost]

I love coffee flavor w sugar

I drink decaf coffee

[cyan shadow]

My new apartment came with a coffee machine

I've never used one before aside from the one in bestie's apartment

[sand frost]

Fascinating, was it generally furnished?

[cyan shadow]

I've been experimenting with nespresso capsules as a result

[cinder karma]

Tbh I think engineers have a bimodal caffeine consumption

You're either. No caffeine

[cyan shadow]

yep! targeted towards internationals with no guarantee of staying long enough to buy all this stuff

[cursive sigil]

Was curious if he considered spices boiled in a liquid other than water still tea

[cinder karma]

Or, as my psych asked me once....how are you alive

[sand frost]

I don’t have no caffeine!

[sand frost]

I have a tumultuous relationship w caffeine

[cyan shadow]

I do not like thinking about my rent, but it is convenient to just have everything

they even gave me pots and pans to use

which went into the dishwasher right away because I think the previous tenant did not know what soap was

[cinder karma]

Ew

[devout vault]

Did you miss the tea alignment chart stuff. That sounds too much like ingredient neutral 😛

[cinder karma]

Quill do you guys not have a student housing center or smth

[cyan shadow]

i keep finding remnants of their life in this house because the agent couldn't be arsed to clean properly before handing it over, and my perception of them is... poor.

this isn't even student housing!

it's general housing!

[cursive sigil]

But is water an ingredient to tea?

[cinder karma]

Water is

So are tea leaves

Other ingredients can be added

But if you don't have those two it is not a tea

It may be a tisane

[cyan shadow]

(we do have an huur commissie [rent commission] and I'm filing a report against my previous landlord once i get my deposit back)

[devout vault]

My brother would definitely disagree on this. See: the boba saga above

[cinder karma]

Apparently I agree with Casey's twin

[cyan shadow]

i have an angry dutchman on my side for filing the complaint, it's gonna be airtight

[devout vault]

(Specifically, the boba tea saga, not the boba fett saga which I assume is The Mandalorian, or something)

[cyan shadow]

(bestie actually studied dutch law, so he's very well-versed in the exact laws i need to get these guys smote)

[devout vault]

I believe my brother would also consider this sacrilege akin to giving a demon communion or something

[rain apex]

water infused water

[cursive sigil]

Fair

[cyan shadow]

I think in this case it would be baptising a demon

given that we're talking about water

[rain apex]

most glasses of water are water tisane

[devout vault]

Sudden incredibly dumb question (outside of mere doctrinal stuff): Would baptism be a working method of exorcism or otherwise destroying a demon, in a world with literal holy water and demons?

[cyan shadow]

in theory

probably want to have the water blessed by a bishop instead of a random deacon yanked from the depths of the friary for it to really work, though

[devout vault]

Like, the holy water would be powerful on its own against them.

But baptism should synergize and make it extra powerful or something right?

[devout vault]

What if baptism powers up deacon-holy-water enough to work when it wouldn't normally?

[cursive sigil]

I don't think a baptism would work on a demon though

[cyan shadow]

the idea here is that the water simply dissolves them

[devout vault]

Presumably deacon holy water is good enough for normal baptism, since I doubt they're gonna call a bishop every time someone needs baptizing

[cursive sigil]

I thought the exorcism thing is just weaking them enough to banish them from the host not destroy them isn't it?

[devout vault]

That's why I added the "or otherwise destroying a demon" part.

Like, if you did it on a demon's true form.

...whether you could actually make that happen is another question. Maybe knock the demon out first

There's also probably a difference between dunking baptism (like baptists) and sprinkle baptism (like lutherans)

But would doing the formal rite of baptism make it any stronger than simply applying the holy water normally

[cursive sigil]

I mean afaik the baptism is to forgive the sins so i guess in this case it would just be a holy water bath ?

[devout vault]

Follow up question: If it won't work on demons, would it work on fallen angels to make them not fallen anymore?

[cyan shadow]

(this might be going into too controversial territory, as entertaining as i've found it)

[cursive sigil]

I don't think so, since the point of the baptism wouldn't actually apply to the demon

[devout vault]

I feel like doing a cannonball into a holy water pool wouldn't count as a baptism since there's no priest doing some rite or whatever

[devout vault]

Oh, hmm. Good point. I wasn't thinking in actual religious context but more fantasy religious context

[cyan shadow]

okay back to exam i go

[devout vault]

RIP

[cyan shadow]

i'm dying

look

[devout vault]

I wonder if today will be the day I finally play modded minecraft instead of think about playing modded minecraft

[cyan shadow]

i like cybersecurity law but this course needed tutorials with problem solving

not just lectures and then bam big problem case study at the end

[devout vault]

I already have the modpack set up - a premade one with extra mods

[cursive sigil]

Good luck quill, i'm gonna go to bed too

[cyan shadow]

goodnight!

[devout vault]

Everyone is abandoning me 😭

[cyan shadow]

bestie's muttering to himself in Dutch now so I think we're gonna have to pick up the pace so we can go to bed

[devout vault]

I'll be alone with my own thoughts 😭

[cyan shadow]

it's 2am euro time, unfortunately

i'd be asleep if not for this exam and me getting nerve-related food poisoning earlier

[cinder karma]

Yes

Do it

[devout vault]

Well now I'm not gonna simply because I was told to /s

(And if you said don't bother I would've gone: "oh, okay". There is no victory for modded MC)

[cinder karma]

Lol

What else

Try making pizza?

[devout vault]

Even if I were willing to cook (and hungry), grocery stores are probably closed (or closing very soon)

And I don't think a pizza made of hot dog bun crust, ice cream from inside a klondike bar sauce, babybel cheese, and hot dog topping would be very good

[sand frost]

Everything except the ice cream sounds kind of legit

Pizza made from toasted bread w tomato sauce and cheese isn’t half bad

[devout vault]

I mean I almost said "apple juice cheese" and didn't include a topping but that sounded a bit too extreme

But yeah if you want cheese on your hot dog and all you have is babybel that'd work fine

[cinder karma]

Do groceries in Chicago close that early

In Boston I recall star closing at 2am

[devout vault]

Not sure, but instacart is another story

[cinder karma]

Ahhh

I got my boba

[devout vault]

Well they are still open on there and google maps says they close at 10 pm so who knows

Still not making pizza though

[sand frost]

I bet it doesn’t anymore but the grocery by where I live now is midnight

Many places cut back during Covid and never went back

There’s definitely some that close at 8pm near me

Which feels so unfair when that’s going home time

[cinder karma]

Hmmm

What else might a casey be interested in doing

[devout vault]

Thinking nonsensical ideas, clearly

[cinder karma]

Thinking nonsense is fun!

[devout vault]

(It seems like every time I go to the bathroom without my phone, crazy ideas erupt. Like that crytographic thing the other day)

(This time it was stuff re: one of my game ideas)

[cinder karma]

I feel like 9-10pm is common here

[cyan shadow]

Grocery stores where I am close at 10pm

Everything else closes at 6pm, 9pm if it's the designated going out in the evening day, and sometimes at 5:30 on weekends

[devout vault]

It's always funny when the "another day, another new cat subreddit" roulette triggers and when I open it up I see it's one that I'm already subscribed to but reddit just doesn't ever put them in my feed

Today's occurence: r/MedievalCats

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/MedievalCats

[cinder karma]

Work has now deemed us too silly to be able to work task manager

Uh

I think this one I'll ask about b/c uh

[safe dragon]

task manager is blocked in our citrix environments which a lot of people work through which is fun

[cursive sigil]

Clearly task manager can only be used by managers

[dusty pollen]

tbf

I once used file shortcuts to get access to every user's files at school (and reported it appropriately! but then the head of IT support got pissy and tried to get me expelled)

so I don't doubt that there is a way to do it with task manager

[cinder karma]

That would hold more weight if they weren't individually issued windows laptops

[dusty pollen]

also the only reason it worked was that he was incompetent so I would hope it doesn't apply haha

[crystal wren]

You did EXACTLY what I did...

[dusty pollen]

good to know UK schools are just like that

[crystal wren]

Except I ended up doing work experience with the one IT guy, Steve. Everyone liked Steve. He had one of those... tying-people-to-train-tracks-in-a-cloak moustaches.

They also kinda badly blocked things like command prompt. Was as simple as creating a batch style, sticking cmd in there, and running that.

Though maybe it was the best they could do at the time? It was NT 4, so honestly... not sure what capabilities it had.

[safe dragon]

me not being into tech very much at all till uni means I had no such experiences

I did once end up accessing some file drive where teachers seemed to put exam pdfs and I panicked and closed it and never told anyone

[cyan shadow]

is this some kind of rite of passage
i did that too, but while fixing my professor's laptop at uni

[safe dragon]

you know thinking back it's wild it never crossed my mind till now that I could've cheated using that

[rain apex]

good egg crumble

[safe dragon]

my thoughts were mostly occupied with "oh no what if they find out I found this place and I'll get in trouble"

[cyan shadow]

i wouldn't have been able to do anything anyway, he was done teaching me by then and the papers were all courses I'd already completed

[safe dragon]

I frankly wasn't in any shape or form motivated to do well in school at the time

so it probably wasn't something I care much to even think about

as long as I passed I didn't care

and passing required little to no effort

cheating would've just introduced risk

and I've always despised risk

they say that teenagers haven't fully developed the part of the brain that does risk management but idk man that's been an innate part of me since I was tiny

cheating was definitely out of the question

failing is preferable to being caught cheating

[crystal wren]

I think being good by way of being anxious counts.

[safe dragon]

🙏

[cinder karma]

What about being productive out of self loathing?

[safe dragon]

well... it does make you productive

so I was watching a technology connections video about dvd closed captioning and at one point he mentioned there being bugs in VLC's implementation which got me curious

the type of person who'd contribute to VLC would definitely be the type to watch technology connections

and

sure enough

https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/commit/067b9da0e62d0c57c2442656c9a196d731ce5bd1

https://code.videolan.org/videolan/vlc/-/commit/778d9d254ebc5da7f40ecd7ccccd66fc99adc27b

it's beautiful

commited after the video came out

[crystal wren]

Atra, was that you? /j

[cinder karma]

Xd

[devout vault]

Saw this meme, perfectly encapsulates my feelings (beyond... not knowing there was a new sonic racing game until now)

The KAR evanglism will never stop /s

[safe dragon]

but only one of them has hatsune miku

[devout vault]

...one of them has hatsune miku?

[safe dragon]

sonic racing crossworlds yes

[devout vault]

Huh

I guess it shouldn't be too much of a surprise considering I'm also seeing it'll have Minecraft

[safe dragon]

yeah also a yakuza character

and joker from persona 5

[devout vault]

It sounds like the sonic one is trying to be the Smash Ultimate of racing games 😛

[safe dragon]

I'll take it

when is smash adding hatsune miku

[devout vault]

Maybe when a new smash entry comes out (probably for switch 3 since I see it more likely that switch 2 gets a Smash Ultimate... ultimate edition? like mario kart 8 deluxe on the switch. Since then they might not have to renegotiate contracts and stuff for all the cross franchise stuff)

Nintendo I dare you to call it Super Smash Bros. Ultimate²

[safe dragon]

it's better than New Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

[devout vault]

And also better than the Sm4sh name ("super smash bros for 3ds" and "super smash bros for wii u" are such lame names)

[devout vault]

(What's even more lame is that they locked certain modes behind each platform)

[worn remnant]

New Super Smash Bros Ultimate U

[dusty pollen]

(this is exactly what I did in my school using shortcuts to the letter)

maybe that's just the standard

[final trail]

https://youtube.com/shorts/FIZI3k7mTvA?si=f1cRmGEuy82xqkgP

[dusty pollen]

nothing like introducing someone to javascript-style short circuiting for the first time

[safe dragon]

aka one of the most cursed bits of syntax people seem to actually use

I don't use it out of principle

[crystal wren]

Okay, short circuiting is cool, but...

Is this-

On... assignment?

[safe dragon]

yes

it's essentially a funky ?? with a lot of caveats

[crystal wren]

So what happens if both things evaluate to false with an &&!?

None? Null?

[safe dragon]

the last one is returned with the actual value it has

it's a bizarre thing that I hate

90% of the time when people use it they really just want ?? anyway which is not nearly as confusing

[crystal wren]

So what if I... what about ||? This is killing me.

I guess the first?

[cinder karma]

Are we learning about short circuiting

Lol

[safe dragon]

I guess that would return the first value that is falsy

[cinder karma]

It's great

[safe dragon]

wait no

ugh idk I hate it

it's abusing a compiler quirk for cursed behavior

shortcircuiting itself is great and I always keep it in mind when I order my expressions if there's several but the way javascript people use it is terrifying

[crystal wren]

Yeah, that is great, but this is making my face do emotions.

[safe dragon]

a5 = "Cat" && "Dog"; // t && t returns "Dog"

hate it

this should either just be a compilation error in a sane language or return true

it should not return dog

[cinder karma]

It's the same in python fyi

[safe dragon]

I had a feeling

[cinder karma]

I'm being amused at you two

[safe dragon]

when I dislike something in one it is often also in the other

[cinder karma]

How are we doing in programming world

Programming?

[safe dragon]

playing runescape

[cinder karma]

Original or diet?

[safe dragon]

original

I think

or diet

idk

oldschool

[rain apex]

Extremely soft cat

[safe dragon]

give pets

[cinder karma]

Thar one looks floof

[cinder karma]

@devout vault

[cyan shadow]

A babyyyyyyy

[pliant snow]

that lego rocket is just waiting to be knocked over

[rain apex]

She is 5yr old

But yes baby

She lost 3 of her teeth bc she's bullied as a kitten

[crystal wren]

All cat is baby regardless of age.

[cursive sigil]

Who is this babyyyy

[rain apex]

Friend kot

I got to pet her

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6414 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1381280227229040660)

[safe dragon]

I still call my mom's 13 year old cats babies

[cinder karma]

That one looks exceptionally baby

[safe dragon]

rate level of baby

[cursive sigil]

100% baby

[cursive sigil]

14 year old baby

[safe dragon]

100% baby too

[cursive sigil]

It's settled then

[rain apex]

calicos are actually 3 cats in one, making this 300% baby

[safe dragon]

that's a lot of baby

[dusty pollen]

a == b && someMethod()

as a shorter way of writing

if (a == b) {
    someMethod()
}

or

let c = (a == b && someMethod() || otherMethod())

instead of

let c = some default value
if (a == b) {
    c = someMethod()
} else {
    c = otherMethod()
}

[safe dragon]

though for that one you can just use javascript's tertiary operator

which is identical to the one in C#

[crystal wren]

I appreciate the lesson, but this is just inspiring me to make a bot to PR every public instance of this being used out of existence.

[cinder karma]

Got it

Putting that into all my python repos

[rain apex]

i feel like ive done a == b && someMethod() in C# at least once

[cinder karma]

Oh I do that one all the time but in python some method might not return bool

[dusty pollen]

please do

[dusty pollen]

it doesn't need to, that's the fun part! they can be whatever you want!

[cinder karma]

Morning, iro

[dusty pollen]

evening, atra

[cursive sigil]

damn it's already 8pm

[regal ingot]

This all makes much more sense when you consider that JavaScript was a tech demo that's basically scheme but with c-like syntax, and this is the way that scheme's and syntax works. I don't think I've ever heard of anyone complaining about scheme working that way... but maybe it's more natural in a language where you don't have to worry about operator precedence and "falsy" values.

[dusty pollen]

I don't think that's the explanation (for starters, javascript's syntax is based on java haha) but also, short circuiting is a thing that exists in pretty much every programming language for efficiency reasons, and every language that uses types this loosely can use this pattern (atra already mentioned python), it just happens to be more common in javascript

my personal guess is that it's a result of the javascript type madness meaning you always have to verify everything haha

[regal ingot]

and Java's sytnax is based on c. The name "JavaScript" was 100% marketing; the language has nothing to do with Java.

[dusty pollen]

I'm aware, it would be hard to know the relation and not know that part

[cinder karma]

I'm still mad that reg [5:0] test = 1; isn't always valid verilog

(Iro, please make a guess to why it is not valid.)

[dusty pollen]

I have never touched verilog

[cinder karma]

(Isn't always valid. It is often valid.)

[dusty pollen]

and have no idea what this syntax is supposed to mean

registry?

[cinder karma]

Register. Six bits wide. Assign initial value to 1

[dusty pollen]

hmm

I have a few theories ig?

[cinder karma]

This should be fine. It is perfectly logically fine.

Give me some

[dusty pollen]

• not enough continuous space to make a register this wide, you have to check in advance?
  uh
  I'm guessing you don't mean simple stuff like test already being in use

word size above six?

idk if you can tell but this is very low level for me

[cinder karma]

You actually got it. Verilog defaults that 1 to a 32 bit number

[dusty pollen]

I prefer to stay far, far away from the practical stuff

[cinder karma]

Then warns that the left and right sides are not the same width

[dusty pollen]

oo, nice

[cinder karma]

Insanity

It's quite clear I mean 6'b000_001; and yet

[dusty pollen]

32 bit seems a bit much for something this close to metal but then again, I know nothing about it haha

I guess it makes sense they don't automatically truncate

[cinder karma]

reg [5:0] test = '0 | 1'b1; is how I would write it

They could infer though

The 1 fits in that register. so just give me a six bit 1

[regal ingot]

so is 0 the only special "pure" (i.e., width-less) value, or is there some other way to write width-less values?

[cinder karma]

The '0 means "fill with 0"

You can also do '1, or 'z/'x

[dusty pollen]

I'm not sure what you mean by width-less value tbh, just ones that conform to the available size if possible?

[dusty pollen]

is the | a bit wise OR or something else? trying to understand the operator here

[cinder karma]

Yes

[dusty pollen]

ah, makes sense then

[devout vault]

(Up to 23 minecraft mod ideas, someone save me)

(+modpack that would be put otgether carefully enough to count as another idea on its own)

[cinder karma]

Do you really want to be saved

Really

Look me in the eye and tell me you want to be saved

[devout vault]

Well you see, if I would actually work on any of these ideas the number would go down as I finished them, so I think that counts

[supple ether]

I've been thinking about minecraft mods too

I kinda want to make a create addon that's themed as cassette futurism as a sort of higher tech tier

Like I was thinking a new power system that takes electricity and turns it into computing power using freeform computer multiblocks with magnetic tape reels

[devout vault]

The main thing holding me back from making all these ideas is not having finished the C#-to-Java thing

And the thing holding me back from that is the non-deterministic launch bug I left it at

[devout vault]

That does sound really neat though

[winged cape]

is there no vs community for mac?

[devout vault]

It was discontinued

MS just decided to focus on VSCode for mac support instead I think

[winged cape]

aw ok

is it hard to do c# stuff on vscode?

[dusty pollen]

you could always try rider

[rain apex]

vscode is fiiiiiine

as long as u dont use anything besides the lang server and maybe debugger

[winged cape]

is rider pretty good?

ive never heard of it

[dusty pollen]

I like it, personally

[winged cape]

okey, ill check it out

[wind whale]

Moving from making Minecraft mods to Stardew ones and forgot they were in two different languages

[supple ether]

C# is a lot nicer to work with than Java though imo

If nothing else not having to deal with gradle is nice

[devout vault]

Part of the thing I was gonna have to do with C#-to-Java was get MSBuild to interact with gradle (or maybe just maven?) 😔

[wind whale]

probably a bad admission but i've only ever used maven

[sand frost]

I use rider on Mac and I find it a very solid replacement for VS

I don’t use VSC on Mac at all

[devout vault]

Speaking of create addons, apparently this really neat one was just released: https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/hypertubes

Also learning about old thermal expansion viaducts for the first time

[cinder karma]

How is that going btw

[devout vault]

Haven't touched it since the first day I ever worked on it 😅

[supple ether]

Oh fabric/quilt modding? (neo)forge are built on gradle so it's not optional there

[supple ether]

I saw that! It's an interesting take on the idea

[devout vault]

It looks fun, but:

• I'm a Create mod hater.
• Smooth curves in minecraft are evil (/s, mostly)

(Of course by "hater" I mean "I'm not a fan")

I'm still not sure why I have Create exhaustion when I've played it for like 15 minutes when it first came out and that's it

[cursive sigil]

Why are you a create hater?

[supple ether]

I think create does tend to get dragged into stuff that's not really related and it annoys me, but I do like the mod itseld

[cursive sigil]

I'm curious because i also played it for like an hour and couldn't get into it and i still can't put my finger on why

[devout vault]

Like I said, create exhaustion.

It's a very neat concept and I do like more in world stuff compared to single block machines that do a lot. Might just be create taking it too far though

[devout vault]

Also this, but to be fair that's not a new phenomenon, like IC2/Buildcraft, then later Thermal Expansion, and now this

Mekanism and EnderIO probably get a stage in there too

[supple ether]

I do think it's worse now, at least partly because of mcreator slop and datapacks-as-mods

[devout vault]

I didn't think of this until just now but now that I think about it I think "taking in world stuff and multiblocks too far" might exactly be it

[cursive sigil]

In theory create sounds great to me but when i actually tried it i just didn't enjoy it

That might be it, you're right

[devout vault]

Ehhhhhhh I'm not gonna hate on something just because it's mcreator. The "slop" is just a consequence of making mods being more accessible.

Like, think about how many crop mods came out when JA was first getting popular

[supple ether]

That's fair

[devout vault]

I actually looked at the website recently and it is way more capable than I thought it was.

(I was mentioning it to my brother who can't program and has a hard time every time he's tried to learn)

[supple ether]

It has gotten a lot better in recent years

[devout vault]

I hear the generated code can still be kinda bad in some cases, but like, any tool that simplifies it for more accessibility is gonna have that problem

[wind whale]

yup! I prefer fabric, it just runs better on my computer (potato moment)

[supple ether]

Fabric is a lot lighter than forge, so that makes sense

[devout vault]

I'm really interested to see how Spectrum works, been wanting to try it ever since I heard about it a few months ago. Haven't watched any playthroughs or anything, basically just seen the mod page and docs

[wind whale]

I feel this, that and its just super laggy

[devout vault]

I installed ATM9 and one of the additions I made was Sinytra Connector + Spectrum (and various other changes like replacing Curios with Accessories + the two bridge mods so the forge/fabric stuff works together properly)

[supple ether]

I stick with forge for now just because there's better mod selection, but I also have a decent pc

[devout vault]

And one of Spectrum's changelogs specifically mentioned changes to make it work with sinytra, so I'm confident it'll be fine. I got in game fine, just haven't played it yet

[devout vault]

Yeah I have a monster PC so I dion't have to worry about it quite as much as most people

[supple ether]

Yeah newer versions work great! Although depending on what else you install you may have to disable some integrations to prevent mixin crashes

I had to turn off create and traveler's backpack integration

[rain apex]

what r Create mods

[supple ether]

Create is an analog tech mod that uses rotational power

[devout vault]

One thing I still need to decide when I make my mod ideas is whether to use neoforge or fabric.

Like, the main forge person is... pretty abrasive, just from what I saw back in 1.6.x/1.7.x days. But now we have neoforge.

And I recently heard the main fabric person is kinda bad in a more bigoted way, and not just from a single person saying that. There's quilt but I dunno if sinytra connector works well with quilt stuff

[supple ether]

If you use architectury you can build both at once

[devout vault]

And the main reason I'd use fabric over neoforge is because of sinytra connector - fabric users and forge users can both use it

[devout vault]

True but you still need to write loader specific code for both 😭

Admittedly I don't know how much, but only a few of my ideas are on the "really small" side, so I assume not a trivial amount

[supple ether]

Probably you'd need it for mixins

[devout vault]

There's like 2 (and maybe +2 others depending on how vanilla game code is these days) of my ideas which I'd consider small enough to bother with that. (Also the only ideas that are small enough to bother doing in java, rather than figure out my C# nonsense)

Hmm, should today be the day I finally actually start playing my minecraft instance I've set up

[cinder karma]

Sounds like a great plan

[devout vault]

This is the modpack+version and mod changes I made for if I get around to playing.

removed:
curios api (covered by an accessories bridge mod later)

added:

sinytra connector
forgified fabric api
connector extras

accessories
trinkets compat layer for accessories

grappling hook mod
hookshot
gliders
integrated scripting
more immersive wires
domestication innovation
enchanting infuser (which has apotheosis compat thankfully)
pretty rain
particular

completionist's index, just in case I do play this long term

added (fabric, you'll need to turn on "fabric" as being allowed in the filters section):
    also, fabric mod dependencies don't seem to autodownload on a forge instance in prism launcher, so add those too
curios compat layer for accessories
revelationary
modonomicon (I installed the fabric version)
spectrum
spectrum jetpacks
cosmetica
dual wielder
terrastorage

Dual Wielder will be the weirdest one to get used to.

It lets you set up a separate button/key for your main hand right click and your off hand right click

(New button/key for both and unconfigured by default, so a pack with it doesn't force everyone to use this new way of doing this)

Another thing that's been holding me back from actually playing is there are several mod ideas of mine that I'd want for actually playing with more immediately 😅 But they aren't simple ones

[cinder karma]

How is Minecraft for adding mods after starting

[red crest]

like, loading at runtime or adding during a playthrough

[devout vault]

I assume the latter

[red crest]

i dont assume anything with atra anymore

[devout vault]

😂

Usually fine, though for anything that generates in the world (like ores or trees) you'll need to go to terrain that hasn't been generated yet.

[cinder karma]

Keep in mind i literally know more about sock construction than I know about Minecraft

[devout vault]

I just remembered one of my ideas I mentioned to DH but didn't add to my ideas txt file. Guess that's 24 (+ modpack) now

....and just remembered another one I've mentioned here before but never wrote down separately.

This one: #programmers-off-topic message

(At the moment mainly just the last part about going straight from chest to terminal, a full blown tech progression would be easier as a modpack that heavily alters things from other mods)

But like something that doesn't magically connect all your storage but you sorta connect them yourself would be nice

Like , using integrated dynamics displays, but ones that displayed multiple things and you populated them yourself

Making a full on programming requirement might not be great user experience for most people, but there could be some in between abstractions, like a "job queue" system that you could display cleanly with hooking it up to a display yourself

You might could sorta do that with ID already actually from a functional perspective (like, even without Integrated Terminals), but the displays in ID are too barebones for complex things

...a big limitation of the way I'm thinking would be that only one person could use it at a time, which I don't think is the case for normal terminals

[dusty pollen]

-# can't you use reg [5:0] test = 6'd1

[devout vault]

(Just realized terrastorage does in fact have 1.20.1 versions, yoink )

[dusty pollen]

-# or 6'b1 for that matter

[cursive sigil]

Iro why aren't you sleeping

[dusty pollen]

isn't it 5am for you

why aren't YOU sleeping

[cursive sigil]

Stop being disrespectful to your elders!! (I have the day off tomorrow and i woke up late today lol)

[devout vault]

...someone apparently made a working thing for steamvr that lets WMR headsets work without the native windows support which is going away???? (Meaning my hp reverb g2 is not in fact dead)

Not released yet, but would've been good to know this months ago before I got a replacement 😛

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhNzIoGNm4o)

[cinder karma]

Well

The idea is to avoid putting the size on both sides

To make it faster to change the size (for whatever reason)

[devout vault]

(Today was not that day. Still plenty of time but I kinda just want to go to bed already)

[dusty pollen]

also this is a silly one but how comes doing

reg [5:0] test = 'd1

doesn't work in this case?

[safe dragon]

someone who dislikes blazor like me but for the wrong reasons

[cinder karma]

That one might be a "my tooling is old" tbh

[safe dragon]

this is why you can't trust americans

[worn remnant]

all the reasons before you and you picked that one?

[safe dragon]

yes

[dusty pollen]

aha, so it IS a you problem! /j

[cinder karma]

I'll try it but for some reason I don't think it works

Also I would do 'b1 or 'h1

Get your base 10 out of my face

[dusty pollen]

joke’s on you, the verilog docs said base10 is the default

btw I have never seen a website have as many ads as the one that popped up for the documentation, it was honestly impressive

in an annoying way

[worn remnant]

honestly no site is as lousy with ads as any goddamn recipe blog

"please can someone just tell me this extremely specific piece of information i need about this class of food"
no, you must wade through six hundred paragraphs of bullshit about my grandmother, and the spider web of ads has reduced the active part of the screen to one(1) postage stamp

[safe dragon]

especially on mobile

which so happens to be the thing most people use when they're looking at recipes

[safe dragon]

they have paragraphs about your grandmother?

that's a scary recipe site

[south crest]

Lol

[rain apex]

Crumble y blazor bad pray tell

[safe dragon]

oh god

[cinder karma]

Front end scary

[safe dragon]

how do I say this without going on a 30 minute rant

[cinder karma]

Front end very scary

Go on the 39 min rant

I'll see you in two days

[safe dragon]

Essentially it looked at the reactive frameworks that came out in JS land and wanted to mimic it. One thing they forgot to mimic however was any way to track state changes, a fundamental aspect of a reactive framework.

So instead what they do it just assume the dom has to be recalculated every time an event has occurred. Despite this it often won't work anyway so you have StateHasChanged() to manually tell them that "something somewhere in this component has changed so go recalculate it all"

I think that sets the tone of how (not) well thought out a lot of aspects of blazor are

[dusty pollen]

this one put them to shame, I’m telling you

[safe dragon]

every blazor app I've worked on ends up running into a lot of footguns that make the application incredibly slow or clunky

[cinder karma]

I feel like wasm claim to fame is fast

[safe dragon]

yeah and they butchered any chance of showing that off

really though, wasm is only fast for algorithmic work. It doesn't have access to the DOM so it just still calls javascript for that

there's also the annoying part of blazor wasm where it needs to load and start up the .net runtime into the browser first before it can do anything

which makes page loads incredibly sluggish even when the actual data has already been cached

there's also blazor server which uses a websocket connection instead of wasm but I don't even want to talk about that one

the default is Auto which clunkily automatically tries to switch between blazor server and blazor wasm

I can't recommend anyone to ever under any scenario no matter how dire actually use Auto

best way to describe blazor...

Even out of the box as a user it feels like old slow internal tooling your company has been using for 20 years that you just kinda put up with and eventually stop noticing the sluggishness

even most blazor advocates admit that it's a terrible choice for any publicly facing website though

it exists for C# developers to be able to avoid needing to learn web technologies

damn

only a 15 minute rant

[worn remnant]

i know of one public-facing blazor website and i despise using it

[safe dragon]

what website is it

I was actually a blazor fan at one point when I was still naive and new to it

[worn remnant]

https://finalfantasyrandomizer.com/

[safe dragon]

the amount of time it took to load the first time does fit

oh it's .net 6 as well

blazor wasm has gotten better since then though blazor itself has introduced several new footguns and a lot of complexity since then as well

the fact that blazor ships with bootstrap is funny to me

I do understand why it's being used here. This person actually just wanted to write a randomizer and writing that in JS would be painful so they went with C# instead

let's see what chromium Lighthouse thinks

hrm it's loading in a nearly 10 MB in size final fantasy dll

[worn remnant]

i fully understand writing the randomizer in C#. i just hate the web interface (and that it's the only interface i'm aware of for constructing the large and unwieldy flags strings, so if you wanted to use it offline you'd still need to run the dang app thing, just locally)

[safe dragon]

I'm honestly not entirely sure how to use this

doesn't help that it uses a final fantasy font which I understand for aesthetic reasons but it's not very easy to read

lmmao I don't think these slider controls are adhering to color contrast accessibility standards

I'd test it but it doesn't seem like the website stores what tab you're on in the URL so lighthouse can't load those tabs

though it's angry already anyway

[worn remnant]

it's a font from a different final fantasy, lmao

white on blue is definitely the OG FF colors though

[dusty pollen]

I hate these, death to SPAs

[worn remnant]

(it's Chicago, which was an OG Macintosh font, but final fantasy 6 used it (in english) for its dialogue font)

[dusty pollen]

SPAs and infinite scroll, the two greatest innovations for… not being able to actually properly navigate websites

[worn remnant]

it looks way better as pixels than it does in the horrible "modern" vectored version though

[safe dragon]

to be fair. SPAs can absolutely still store this in the url

and they should

though in my experience in blazor especially people tend to just ignore the URL as much as they can...

though in fairness that's cause my experience is mostly with people who aren't web devs

instead of the URL you slap in some state Singleton service

put your data in that singleton and it works perfectly and is much more convenient

...till you reload the page

[pliant snow]

TIL that the FF6 font was Chicago

[worn remnant]

i grew up with a macintosh classic as the family computer so i pegged that font immediately the first time i played ff6

[safe dragon]

that's not entirely true. Most of this website is using a font called Liberation. The headers are using Chicago though

with a fallback to Arial

which i find amusing

[worn remnant]

liberation is just a boring free-software font. when you said "a final fantasy font" i assumed you were talking about the chicago parts

[safe dragon]

yeah but I was also being blind and thought then entire page was using it

[worn remnant]

ah, ok

[pliant snow]

It's just dawned on me that my computer hasn't had any system boop sounds in a while...

and if I try to preview them nothing plays...

[safe dragon]

why is the font size 13.6px

why 85%

[pliant snow]

because 100% is too big

[marble jewel]

Because of the golden ratio /s

[safe dragon]

of course

[pliant snow]

oh you can mute your notification sounds

how the hell did i do that

[marble jewel]

The next iPadOS update once again creeps ever so slightly closer to MacOS

[dusty pollen]

yeah but what if instead of reverse engineering it, we could use regular multi page websites...

[safe dragon]

to be fair. For tabs like this people have been using funky javascript for a long time

since it's a multi-tab form essentially

[safe dragon]

that sounds like good news to me

I should look up what they're doing

considering my ipad already didn't get stage manager I won't be getting this either

[marble jewel]

A MacOS-like window manager, and they're adding the menu bar

[safe dragon]

the windowing system wasn't my problem with the ipad though so rip

[marble jewel]

But still not able to run full-fledged MacOS applications

Oh and the Files app is basically Finder now

[safe dragon]

I only care if they did the one sensible thing and that's stop pretending that Photos aren't files

make photos accessible from the files app and like 80% of me fighting with that fuckin ipad would be gone

[marble jewel]

Also all of Apple's products are using a new "Glass" design. Not to be confused with Aero Glass, but it's kind of Aero Glass.

[pliant snow]

lol it kind of is

I actually dig it, lots of blur

[marble jewel]

Most of the thing they spent talking about AI features

[safe dragon]

last time they did that too and then launched without them

[marble jewel]

But for real this time

[dusty pollen]

but my question is who is doing ai on an ipad

unless it's for end users, but then they usually use stuff that doesn't require a lot of special stuff anyway

[marble jewel]

ChatGPT image generation is built into Image Playground

[dusty pollen]

why

[marble jewel]

Because what if you want to make that photo look like an oil painting

[safe dragon]

alright please tell me I'm not stupid and this dude is just completely sarcastic while saying this. He doesn't sound even remotely like he believes any of it https://www.youtube.com/live/0_DjDdfqtUE?si=dCOs80G9GU2QhwPI&t=4889

is he just making fun of their own products

[marble jewel]

I'm sure he's dead serious

[safe dragon]

I couldn't sound more sarcastic if I tried

[marble jewel]

He's like the head of product development

Everything they do is always the best thing ever

[safe dragon]

was this really the best take they could get

he doesn't sound remotely serious

more like he's making fun of them

[crystal wren]

It sounds ridiculously sarcastic to me, yeah.

[marble jewel]

I'm pretty sure he was equally as enthused last year about the iPad having a calculator app

[pliant snow]

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/06/apple-aims-for-more-personal-and-expressive-ios-26-with-new-liquid-glass-design/

oh yeah this guy lol

[safe dragon]

wtf there's more of these weird ways of saying it like they're almost mocking themselves

https://www.youtube.com/live/0_DjDdfqtUE?si=bzIaA4FXKDMvMpWo&t=4951

why is there such a pause after "it now includes features"

to me the way they're saying it makes it sound like the files app did not have features before this

"before this update, the files app could not in fact do anything"

[sand frost]

The files app did have features!

[marble jewel]

It builds anticipation, keeps the viewer wanting more

[safe dragon]

it is incredible though that it took them this long to add an "open with" option to the context menu

people have been abusing the share menu for so long to do this

ok so they didn't actually fix anything to do with files

they just added a few conveniences

being able to give icons to folders or putting them in your application panel was truly what was holding files back

not the fact that you refuse to give us an actual fuckin file system

I've heard people ranging from tech people to grandmas struggle with the fact that they can't seem to be able to
either

1. Not see their photos in their files
   or
2. Not see the photos they just downloaded from the web in their photos app

both for the same reason of their insane choice to pretend those are separate concepts when they simply aren't

soz ok that was my vent

I did photo editing on an ipad for several years

android has never had this problem it's not hard to fix

I don't understand what they're to protect here by pulling this nonsense

ok my rant wasn't quite over

[marble jewel]

I mean, the iPad is still being marketed as a "post-PC" device, but it kind of defeats their whole premise the more and more the iPad becomes PC-like.

It's turns out post-PC is just PC all along

I think the final few hangups is just them still stuck in their marketing of the device

Apple btw https://youtu.be/3S5BLs51yDQ?si=8nFBoH22iyuN8FDk

[pliant snow]

Are there hangups? It's not like it's a struggling product

[marble jewel]

I don't think it's gaining the type of adoption from professionals that they have been trying to push for years now

In Apple's mind every professional from every industry should drop their "computers" and pick up iPads. Or maybe now Vision Pros.

Even in today's WWDC, there was a pretty big segment about content creators being able to use iPads as their one and only device

[safe dragon]

the only group of creative people I've met where this seems to mostly be possible is artists

primarily because of procreate and the apple pencil

for video editing they'd need to give those things a lot more storage to be viable

actually it seems the more recent ipad pros do go up to 2 TB

[ivory shadow]

2TB is still hardly anything for modern creative work, though

[safe dragon]

mine is 256 GB which sometimes meant I had to take my photos of the camera in batches, process those and then get the next batch

[safe dragon]

oh definitely

[ivory shadow]

Well, I shouldn't say "hardly anything" but it's rapidly becoming less and less acceptable

[safe dragon]

and with the ipad file app's seemingly breaking constantly when trying to use SMB network storage I couldn't get that workflow to work very nicely either

[ivory shadow]

They're lucky 8K video continues to not be relevant because no one has 8K display devices and most people don't have good internet.

[safe dragon]

you can barely even buy 8K displays

I'm convinced that for anything smaller than a TV it doesn't make sense to begin with

though I guess films are often watched on tv

but good luck convincing film studios to use an ipad

[ivory shadow]

I am much less concerned about resolution than I am color accuracy at this point

4K is good enough. Even at TV size, it's good enough.

Give me colors that don't suck

Give me acceptable black levels and contrast

[safe dragon]

I mean we're at a pretty good spot for that too

with QD OLED and stuff

[heavy tree]

Regular procreate user here. i love using both i love sticking my tongue out at Apple as I upload my little artworks through discord and edit them in gimp

i will now leave the conversation

[safe dragon]

lmao

the shift from procreate to gimp

it's like two opposites

[ivory shadow]

I should probably try modern gimp to make sure my impression of it isn't out of date, but oooh boy was it something the last time I used it

[cinder karma]

Smh

[safe dragon]

well they did finally release the GTK 3 version

[cinder karma]

I'm in team HD is good enough

[safe dragon]

like, 720p?

[cinder karma]

I don't need 4k

[safe dragon]

I'm afraid I do need more than 720p

I mean I watched anime at 144p as a teenager and still managed to enjoy it but

[ivory shadow]

What about brightness? How many knits do you prefer

-# Yes I in fact did only say this because I wanted to say my dumb "knits" line

[cinder karma]

I might have egg on my face because my preferred work monitor is 3440x1440

[safe dragon]

yeah you can't say 720p is good enough then...

I'm very surprised your office has ultrawides

[wet tendon]

fucked up that they call it 4k when its only 2 thousand pixels tall

[safe dragon]

yeah it's 4 times 1080p(1k) in size

stupid marketing

[wet tendon]

noone calls 1440p 2k

[safe dragon]

incorrect actually

[wet tendon]

also why the k

[safe dragon]

idk sounded catchy

[fleet wren]

bigger numbers = better

[wet tendon]

1080p is 1 million pixels not 1 thousand pixels

[fleet wren]

but numbers that are too big confuses customers

[safe dragon]

can't blame apple this time cause they prefer to just use vague terms like "retina display" instead

[wet tendon]

i may be stupid

[ivory shadow]

Every description of resolution that isn't the vertical line count at a minimum is very stupid

[wet tendon]

1080p is 2 million pixels

[safe dragon]

1080p is 1080p cause is 1080 pixels tall

it makes some sense

[wet tendon]

yea but its not 1k its 2M

[cyan shadow]

I do something similar, but I use Affinity

[safe dragon]

I mean 1k is just an approximation of 1080

[wet tendon]

they should call 4k 8M

[safe dragon]

so like, the camera route

[wet tendon]

yea

[safe dragon]

describe monitors in megapixels

[ivory shadow]

1 is just an approximation of 1080 if you approximate hard enough

[pliant snow]

4k is an approximation of 2160, its okay

[wet tendon]

if theyre already gonna go "ummmmmm well its 4 times as many pixels" then the base units should be pixels not rows

[ivory shadow]

You know what I hate more than "2k", "4k", etc?

HD and Full HD

[cyan shadow]

[devout vault]

Does that mean I'm currently living in what is canonically part of final fantasy? Where's all the magic???

[cyan shadow]

(i do not like full hd and hd as distinctions either)

[devout vault]

Is it hiding from the deep dish "pizza"? Because that's fair

[ivory shadow]

This isn't 2001 anymore you can't get away with calling 720p "high definition", darn it

[safe dragon]

calling 1080p Full HD has the same energy as calling USB3.0 "SuperSpeed USB"

[red crest]

k doesnt have to mean 1,000, maybe its an algebraic variable
3840x2160 = 4k where k = 1080p

[pliant snow]

Alright fine, we'll go back to WQUXGA

[pliant snow]

and where p = 2i

[red crest]

see, things make perfect sense

[ivory shadow]

Reminded me of this old thing. Never obsolete!

[wet tendon]

1080 rows (× 1920 columns) ≈ 1k rows
1k rows × 4 = 4k rows
4k rows ≈ 4320 rows (× 7680 columns)
but nooooo 4k actually means way smaller than that because stupid reasons

[safe dragon]

you say that but just try to remove support for this from the linux kernel and you'll find the people who use and rely on this thing to this day

[rain apex]

What makes it never obsolete

[wet tendon]

its higher definition than it could be. high enough definition, to be able to tell what's happening in a show, perhaps?

[devout vault]

https://xkcd.com/1172/

xkcd: Workflow

There are probably children out there holding down spacebar to stay warm in the winter! YOUR UPDATE MURDERS CHILDREN.

[pliant snow]

720p is high def!

You cant take it away from me!

[wet tendon]

long time user 4 can maintain a fork if cpu overheating is so important to her

[devout vault]

Speaking of video resolution, I recently watched an old minecraft video (over a decade old) and oh boy, I forgot how hard it was to see minecraft unlit caves in youtube 440p

[wet tendon]

720p may not be crisp and shiny but it is still a comfortable resolution for most kinds of video media

funny enough the most common examples of situations where you really need more than 720p are also the situations where higher resolutions can be more difficult to provide (e.g. screen sharing/live streaming)

[safe dragon]

720p is the lowest resolution I will watch without being too annoyed about it yeah

[marble jewel]

DVD is the only optical format you need for anything ever

[safe dragon]

how about qr codes

[marble jewel]

Kids these days with their fancy codes. Back in my days we had barcodes, and they were perfect.

[safe dragon]

as someone who has developed retail software... fuckin wish they were perfect

[pliant snow]

this is crazy talk

UMD is the only optical format you need

[marble jewel]

True Story - I remember buying a barcode scanner and making a small app to encode some simple texts. It was my early days of automation.

I think this was late enough that the scanner was usb as opposed to serial port

[safe dragon]

futuristic

[marble jewel]

Very cutting edge tech

[pliant snow]

god i forgot how many movies they put out on UMD

[safe dragon]

I only know UMD from psp games

I didn't even know it existed outside that

[pliant snow]

That's what it is, they put out a fuckton of movies on UMD for PSP owners

[rain apex]

I'm pretty sure anime is still produced in 720p or near that

[safe dragon]

wtf

[rain apex]

No shiny 4k until the BD

[marble jewel]

720p is the only format you need because AI can just magically make it 4k nowadays

[safe dragon]

for anime even the Blu-ray is often 1080p

[pliant snow]

I mean, I would hope so

[safe dragon]

you don't want 4k?

[pliant snow]

standard blu-ray only goes up to 1080p

[safe dragon]

huh

there's multiple Blu-rays?

[pliant snow]

4k blu-ray is a different standard

yes

[safe dragon]

damn

I don't think I own a single Blu-ray

I certainly don't own anything that can play them

[pliant snow]

don't you worry, my PC has got a 4k blu-ray drive baby

[safe dragon]

incredible

[fleet wren]

wow

can you also burn cds

[pliant snow]

it can

[safe dragon]

I can do that too at the stovetop

[pliant snow]

I burn CDs and DVDs fairly often tbh

[cinder karma]

It's not uncommon tbh

[safe dragon]

an archivist

[cinder karma]

Like I look at waveforms and circuit diagrams

I knew I liked this monitor

I didn't know it was 4k

[safe dragon]

it's 1440p ultrawide not 4k ur safe

[fleet wren]

as a child I fantasized about burning my own CDs
funny, I can do that now but I now have no need

[pliant snow]

I do it mainly to burn PS2 and dreamcast games teehee

[rain apex]

What did you want to put on the cds selph

[pliant snow]

and rip 4k blu-rays

[fleet wren]

pirated ps2 games

[safe dragon]

wtf

[pliant snow]

welcome to the future

[safe dragon]

my ps2 stopped working years ago

[pliant snow]

smh

[cinder karma]

As a child i kept my backups on CD

Current atra doesn't want to look at those CDs

I might just destroy them

They are almost all my shitty fanfiction

[pliant snow]

mail me them

[cinder karma]

Oh my fucking god no

No one gets to see teenaged atra fanfiction

[pliant snow]

what cowardice

actually I lied, UMD video isn't the best optical media, minidisc is

[ivory shadow]

People can technically see my teenage fanfiction but they can't associate it with me because I abandoned the username it was uploaded with

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Modern atra just has a back hdd like a sane person

God I feel like shit. Somehow I picked up food poisoning

Luckily it was fast, if an unpleasant half hour

[devout vault]

Are those the same ones the gamecube used, or just similar?

[pliant snow]

That's what the PSP used, the Gamecube used mini-DVD iirc

[wet tendon]

i still use the same username but it remains completely unassociated with my irl & online identity (i was smart when i made it ig)

this is probably overkill but ive got a ublock origin filter to hide my username from ao3 pages in case im sharing my screen 😂

[cinder karma]

Sounds like a plan