programmers-off-topic

[supple ether]

kind of?

[devout vault]

Fair. I want to get into tumblr but the times I've tried it's just hard to really get into it? I guess because of how decentralized things are

[cinder karma]

Just leechblock reddit so you have to check it on your phone

[devout vault]

Depends on if you use it for chatting with friends or for parasocial relationships with your favorite influencers and their discord servers (/s, mostly)

[devout vault]

I did. The override for X amount of time button I mentioned earlier... (though to be fair I only seriously started using that when my free time expanded a bunch several months ago)

[supple ether]

yeah it's really hard to start with because the main way of using it is just... having friends and finding new stuff through them. so if you don't know anyone already on tumblr, there's this big awkward period where you're just following random people and going through tags for stuff

[rain apex]

tumblr is nice if you been there since 2014

[devout vault]

Reddit isn't terrible if you avoid r/all nad basically only have not-large subreddits you are subscribed

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/all

[devout vault]

That being said, this is with old reddit

Once old reddit dies I'll likely stop using it

Also, re:tumblr, I do enjoy the stuff I see from there, so I do check r/curatedtumblr sometimes 😛

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/curatedtumblr

[devout vault]

But actually getting a feed built up there would be hard. Probably the same if I started a reddit from scratch these days to be fair

[rain apex]

discord is enough social media for me

[supple ether]

discord occupies this weird space between forums and chatrooms. the public servers are kind of social media, but a lot of what I use it for is just chatting with friends

[cinder karma]

I am on reddit but I don't think r/knitting and r/fpga counts

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/knitting

[supple ether]

which is closer to like, texting or email, which isn't really social media per se

[cinder karma]

(And I'm literally only on r/fpga for work)

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/fpga

[devout vault]

At least until discord keeps adding more social media type features.

[supple ether]

ugh yeah

[devout vault]

Also, don't you love being discord being used for forums these days but needing to find stuff on google?

[cinder karma]

Short form video when

[cinder karma]

This is the major reason why I visit reddit. R/fpga is so good

[supple ether]

yeah the death of forums is deeply tragic and I'm praying the ones that have survived this long continue well into the future

[cinder karma]

I also go to r/bogleheads

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/bogleheads

[devout vault]

That looks like a fun subreddit

[rain apex]

save me public linux mailing lists

[supple ether]

one of these days I'll start actually spending time on spacebattles

[cinder karma]

Anyways, casey

[devout vault]

Somehow the SFML forums are still going. Tragically, because you can find my old post where I didn't understand what a C++ reference was

[cinder karma]

How goes the anime

[devout vault]

(The post I'm thinking of was 2010. Before that there was also "Is there anything wrong with a WHILE statement in a thread?" )

Also when I did my "spacechase0 site:en.sfml-dev.org/forums" google search, the AI overview which I still need to disable mentions " spacechase0 is also known for creating Stardew Valley mods".

It's also hallucinating my last forum post as being from 2020 when it's really 2017, but the stardew connection was surprising

Since when can AI pick words from usernames (outside of like unscramblers)

[devout vault]

There's not much as far as anime I'm really enjoying this season. There's some I'm watching and enjoying, but nothing that stands out a lot.

I think summer is gonna have a bunch though

[cinder karma]

It's not already summer?

[devout vault]

Not as far as anime seasons go

The summer season is considered July-September in that context

[supple ether]

I've noticed google does OCR for images because the last time I searched my username, one of the results was a screenshot of a smapi console error that had my mod id (and thus username) in it

[strange copper]

Waiting patiently for kaoruhana this summer

[devout vault]

As silly as it sounds I'm looking forward to season 2 of the vending machine isekai

[strange copper]

I didnt know it had an anime

[devout vault]

It's unreasonable how enjoyable it is

[ivory shadow]

I want to call that silly, but I did encounter that series as a light novel so this is quite a glass house from which to cast my stones

In other news, it is now my birthday. I look forward to not giving a single care about work today. Yeah, those are some nice tickets. Too bad I don't care. 😄

[devout vault]

It's also somehow even sillier than the reincarnated as a sword anime (which is also better than it has any right to be)

[uncut seal]

makes a game to be distracted by

[devout vault]

At that point you've earned it.

Especially if it's a game with enough content to keep you distracted long enough to not do productive things

[uncut seal]

makes balatro

[devout vault]

And no, you can't bring it in via external storage

You have to manually type out external code yourself, like old PC magazines intended

[devout vault]

Supposedly balatro took two and a half years to make. Again, at that point you've earned it

[uncut seal]

Is there another way to do it?

[devout vault]

To import external code?

No, there's not even a camera on the PC for you to code OCR for

And all the hardware is a closed system, so no hooking up a fake keyboard that will simulate all the keystrokes of a specified document for you

[uncut seal]

Well, my guess is that it'll be much faster to do now that the game exists and I know what's in it, I can skip the whole design step

[devout vault]

Hope you have the game memorized, because internet access was previously disallowed too

[uncut seal]

No, I meant, is there another way to code than typing all the code yourself in general? /j

[devout vault]

(Yes, at this point you're stuck in a cleanroom forced to be productive with no way of interacting with the outside world)

(Food and water will be provided via star trek replicator+Transporter)

[uncut seal]

Yeah, I would 100% code a distraction for myself in this situation

[devout vault]

Hmm... create a LLM from scratch and ask it to do it for you?

[uncut seal]

You would need to generate all the data to train it, there's no point

[devout vault]

But at that point you're being productive!

If you start using your distraction too much (ie. playing all the time instead of playing some getting a new idea and making changes), it'll be confiscated and you have to start from scratch

That, or you're free from the distraction-free-scape since clearly youv'e transcended it

[devout vault]

I mean, how dedicated are you to not coding the stuff yourself....

[uncut seal]

Damn, ok, I lose then, I'll be productive...

[devout vault]

If we add immortality to the mix... well...

[uncut seal]

Hell yeah, time for all the ideas

[devout vault]

disappears into the depths of the blankets on my bed

(However, the depths have WiFi)

[pliant snow]

nice

[safe dragon]

lead coated blankets to block out all the wifi

[dusty pollen]

faraday cage blanket plus a tin foil hat

[sonic mirage]

So my Framework 13 made it from Taiwan to me in the eastern US in less than 48 hours. Impressive speed FedEx, but maybe at least knock if you've left a laptop on my porch.

[ivory shadow]

Kind of Framework's fault for not requiring signature for the laptop, honestly. I don't understand why they forbid weekend delivery but don't require signature

[sonic mirage]

Yeah I'd expect it to require signature, but I can also see how that would complicate international deliveries. Also half the deliveries that I get that require signature just get left without one anyways, so it's not exactly foolproof

[safe dragon]

shoutout to fedex delivering mine to a neighbor without telling me which

[sonic mirage]

My batch wasn't even for May, it was "Q2" (AKA June), so Framework appears to be on - if not ahead - of schedule

[pliant snow]

TIL vscode added the inline git blame feature themselves, so I no longer need a plugin for it

[safe dragon]

the future is here

[ivory shadow]

I haven't updated vscode in... a while. I do not want the AI nonsense. Really I should just install a fork, but ms started blocking forks from using their plugins repo too. It's annoying

[crystal wren]

They do let you hide the Copilot crap at least. Though being Microsoft, would I be shocked if it magically came back every nth update? Nope!

[crystal wren]

Oh, they understand it.

The error is in assuming they care.

[sand frost]

They might be trying to get a bunch of stuff out before more tariffs tho if Taiwan then idk if that’s it

[pliant snow]

VSCode has AI stuff? I hadn't noticed anything

[fleet wren]

you know which editor will never add ai stuff? ||vim||

sorry

[crystal wren]

https://github.com/madox2/vim-ai

[rain apex]

Vscode has so much ai stuff

[crystal wren]

(I know, a plugin is different, but I couldn't resist. )

[cinder karma]

Work might be getting vscode next month

I might be sticking with vim

I'm such a broken person

[marble jewel]

I use the VSCode Neovim extension, and it works quite well

[rain apex]

I rolled back to older version for a different reason though (the image preview in new vscode is slow af for some reason)

[sonic mirage]

Yeah I got my order in initially because of the "tariffs in 90 days" thing, and my pricing didn't change from them since I bought all my expansion cards (which are made in China) from the US online store instead of getting them with my laptop order.

[cinder karma]

I heard some tariffs got struck down

[sonic mirage]

They're all over the place. I wasn't really trying to keep up, but now I'm definitely not since it changes hourly

I do think this new "TACO" thing is amusing, but I'll leave it at that so as to not get political in here

[uncut seal]

do you think neovim is safe from the curse? I haven't even started getting into it proper yet

[pliant snow]

it 100% is

[fleet wren]

I use neovim actually, and I have no reason they will be bought out by a for-profit

[uncut seal]

phew

[safe dragon]

brb buying neovim for my AI purposes

not a for profit

just AI

[cinder karma]

Ai is just pure vc bait rn

[rain apex]

Can i invest in crumble agentic empire

[safe dragon]

no

no investments

this is not an investment this is personal malice

[sudden niche]

barely readable programming 🙂

[ivory shadow]

You might think it's barely readable because of the font. It's actually barely readable because it's Lua.

[rain apex]

This font is cute

[ivory shadow]

The font is doin its best for a tiny screen size and no subpixels.

[cinder karma]

It's cute but I could never program like that

[pliant snow]

This is fake, no one programs Pico-8 in an external editor

[sudden niche]

Most people who use this console unironically do

[sudden niche]

Lua is finnnneee

I prefer c++ but lua works

[pliant snow]

everyone starts, then makes a quick change in the internal editor, then forgets the external editor is an old version

as is tradition

[sudden niche]

4*6 font

[ivory shadow]

Please don't ping reply to me

[sudden niche]

Mb og

[sudden niche]

I only do that when editing sprites, painful

I blame zep for only giving us 16 tabs

That's not nearly enough for a bigger game

[pliant snow]

zep knows what we want...

[sudden niche]

scoresub tomorrow I promise

[ivory shadow]

I just like joking about Lua because it has some stuff I really don't like in a programming language. I admit it is actually fine though. ... though I do prefer Luau, since a language without types is a bad language.

I say this despite my day job being JavaScript. JavaScript is also a bad language.

I'll never get over 1-based indexing though

[sudden niche]

Weaklings can't handle dynamic languages

[cinder karma]

1 based indexing doesn't bother me

[sudden niche]

Real programmers adapt and overcome

:gigachad:

[pliant snow]

Acknowledge the table as your one true God

[ivory shadow]

Doesn't matlab use 1-based?

[cinder karma]

Right now my hatred is towards verilog assuming 1 is 32 bit

[sudden niche]

Metatables

I tried to use lua outside the pico8

Never again

Not worth the pain

[cinder karma]

I'm free of Matlab these days

Traded it for systemverilog and verilogams

[sudden niche]

My ex uses matlab and she hates it

I've never touched and hopefully never will

[marble jewel]

https://youtu.be/YCoULbQ92gg?si=l4tBJcQHm0Lw-v1G

[dusty pollen]

does community edition also have it?

[dusty pollen]

-# pssst is that the Gabi Belle video open in chromium

[crystal wren]

They're doing what!?

[sudden niche]

the Gabi belle video

Yes it is

[dusty pollen]

it's just a weird coincidence, I watched it yesterday

[crystal wren]

Which one, though?

The marketplace one, or the other one?

[dusty pollen]

no way of knowing, she titled them the same

[marble jewel]

You can already install it. It replaces Microsoft's C# and C# Dev Kit extensions for VSCode.

I installed and meant to check it out this weekend, but haven't played around with it at all yet.

[rain apex]

But it is BAD according to this yt thumbnail

[marble jewel]

You can tell he's so upset because he hand is on his forehead

[dusty pollen]

I have never seen this person other than the occasional clickbait title you guys send and my impression of him so far is that he can make a new code comment sound like the end of the world

[marble jewel]

I actually have learned a lot from his content

As he became more content creator focused, his stuff has been more clickbaity, but he is knowledgable and sometimes shares useful information

[sudden niche]

I refuse to use c# these days

Too locked in with msft

I switched to lua and C++

Worse in a lot of ways but they do the job

[fleet wren]

how about rus-

[sudden niche]

kills you

[rain apex]

I had a small adventure earlier this year trying to get C++

[dusty pollen]

unrelated but this is the first time I'm hearing about the p8

is it similar to older things like the zx spectrum?

[sudden niche]

8bit fantasy console

You have 16 colours, 52kb max sized games

[rain apex]

But i gave up and so we r roll our own rbtree now

[sudden niche]

8k token limit

I imagine it's like the chip8 ig

[sudden niche]

I moved to writing almost everything in c++

[dusty pollen]

what is?

[sudden niche]

My discord bot is written in c++ 😭

[sudden niche]

Some "console" thing from the 1980s

It's like the easiest thing to emulate

[fleet wren]

same, and I'm currently writing C++ for work
why are there references and pointers
why does the iterator syntax look like that
etc etc

[dusty pollen]

I'm confused, as far as I can tell the chip8 is software?

[rain apex]

I would love to have c++ iterators tbh

[sudden niche]

Oh shit you're right

[dusty pollen]

ah, it's software that used to run on old consoles

[rain apex]

But no the shenanigans is nothing to do with C/C++ and everything to do with weird inhouse package management systems

[pliant snow]

It's essentially a virtual machine spec for games designed back in the 1970s. So you could program your game just for the Chip-8 "platform" and it would run anywhere the Chip-8 emulator was made

[dusty pollen]

ah, well I'm sure there IS chip8 emulation for the zx spectrum at least

[sudden niche]

Pico8 is kinda like that???

It's a fake console thing

[pliant snow]

There probably is

[sudden niche]

Except it's less cool

Since it uses lua

[dusty pollen]

yup

I should finally find a way to hook my zx spectrum to a monitor and try it out

[pliant snow]

I hear that Chip-8 is a great platform to learn emulation and that there's a great tutorial series in how to write a Chip-8 emulator in Rust for desktop and web

[dusty pollen]

(it's a hand-me-down from my dad along with his old TI)

[sudden niche]

Chip8 is the easiest thing to emulate

It has 32 opcodes in totla

And they're super simple

[pliant snow]

Wow, I don't suppose there's a well written reference guide on how to make such an emulator, made by someone very cool and handsome?

[dusty pollen]

I was wondering why your first message sounded like ad copy

[sudden niche]

Insane work

Now I wanna make a chip8 game

😿

[pliant snow]

I don't know what you're referring to

[dusty pollen]

well, give the link, aquo

[pliant snow]

Nor would I have any problems completing that guide and then beginning the follow-up tutorial on emulating a Game Boy

[sudden niche]

Did you every write stuff for the chip8 or just the enulator

; Clear screen
00E0

; Set I to sprite location
A210

; Initialize position
600A   ; V0 = 0x0A (X)
6100   ; V1 = 0    (Y)

; --- Main Loop ---
LabelMain:
00E0        ; Clear screen
D015        ; Draw 1x5 square

; Delay loop (simple timer)
6200        ; V2 = 0
LabelDelay:
7201        ; V2 += 1
3228        ; Skip next if V2 == 40
120A        ; Jump to LabelDelay

; Move square down
7101        ; V1 += 1

; Loop forever
1206        ; Jump to LabelMain

I was reading this and I can't understand shit 😦

What are all those numbers

[dusty pollen]

if chip8 is a virtual machine like aquo said, it would be the same writing for the original chip8-based consoles and the emulators

[dusty pollen]

those are instructions

[pliant snow]

An excellent question

Perhaps this will help https://github.com/aquova/chip8-book

[sudden niche]

They're so random

[crystal wren]

It seems like it currently doesn't support the highly advanced features of running and/or debugging.

[sudden niche]

I know about dxyn and the register set but

Where is dxyn

[pliant snow]

dxyn is any instruction from 0xD000-0xDFFF

[dusty pollen]

I still need to actually do the rust book

so, aquo... chip8 implemented inside stardew somehow when?

[pliant snow]

Can you implement logic inside of stardew

[dusty pollen]

I'm sure we can figure out a way

[sudden niche]

Ohhh

Man I'm obsessed with these old things

I wish there was a pico8 but for c++

[pliant snow]

Speaking of Pico-8

[sudden niche]

I like being limited

[pliant snow]

can you imagine someone making a Chip-8 emulator for Pico-8?

that would be wild

[sudden niche]

You can't import files in pico8

But I made a brain fuck editor in pico8 before

Was fun

[dusty pollen]

we make a giant farm and add a modded machine transistor and build a CPU out of it with automate the way people do in minecraft

[pliant snow]

https://aquova.net/games/pico-chip/

i mean whoops my hand slipped

[sudden niche]

Showoff

I'm jelly

[dusty pollen]

hmm, I wonder if you could use automate and one of the chest mods to turn a regular machine into a transistor or logic gate...

[pliant snow]

I should make one for Playdate come to think of it

[crystal wren]

When are you porting Ecco to the Pico-8?

[dusty pollen]

when are you porting doom

[sudden niche]

Poom exists

Doom demake

[pliant snow]

You're right, we need a game gear emulator too

[sudden niche]

Me when no file imports

[dusty pollen]

now every time you say something like this I half expect you to immediately link the finished project

didn't you guys say there was an external editor? how could there be an external editor without the ability to import things? I am confused

[sudden niche]

As in

You can't upload a PNG to the console inside a game

You can develop using an external editor

[pliant snow]

You can just open the source files in whatever editor, then the Pico-8 program allows you to hot reload files

[sudden niche]

Then you change a sprite before forgetting to save in external editor 😦

[dusty pollen]

surely this means you can copy paste into an empty source file, though?

[pliant snow]

meaning what

[sudden niche]

That's not uploading a file, that's hard coding some data into a string

[pliant snow]

oh i see what you mean

Yeah, I just encoded the data directly into the source file

[dusty pollen]

it sounded like the issue was the inability to import code, at least to me?

[pliant snow]

although Pico-8 does allow you to include other files now

[sudden niche]

0xD0FC

[dusty pollen]

this seems like a viable way to do that, at the very least

[pliant snow]

That's why the version I linked only can play the games from the list, they're the only ones I included (and the only ones playable with a Pico-8's button availability)

[rain apex]

You can "program" stuff in mail syntax

[sudden niche]

P8 is so close to being exactly what I want, it just lacks some buttons

I wish we had modern gba

[rain apex]

Also event script become turning complete in 1.6.16 i think

[sudden niche]

I should write the pico8

[dusty pollen]

it took me so long to figure out what I was looking at

[sudden niche]

Equivalent of a gba

[dusty pollen]

that's our theory

help me make a universal Turing machine as proof

[sudden niche]

Isn't a Turing complete machine just a thing that can output 1 and 0

[dusty pollen]

...no?

[fleet wren]

finally, I can ask Elliott to list every number that's divisible by 3 and 5 up to 1000

[dusty pollen]

fizz. buzz. fizz. fizzbuzz

[pliant snow]

Turing complete is any machine that can simulate a Turing machine, which is just putting numbers into an infinite row of boxes

[dusty pollen]

a Turing machine is a machine described by Alan Turing that takes in an infinite tape of characters and changes then and/or advances the tape based on internal state and the current character

[sudden niche]

Aq, rewrite the chip8 programming language in rust

Make it safe

And blazingly fast

[sudden niche]

Oh

[dusty pollen]

a universal Turing machine is one that takes in two tapes, one for the input data and one for the instructions, and evaluates them in this way

[rain apex]

Yea idk the maff part but the non maff part is that finally the content modders can have for loops

[pliant snow]

That's not quite how it works

[sudden niche]

CSS is turning complete

[sudden niche]

(I was joking)

[dusty pollen]

a Turing complete language is something that can emulate a Turing machine, like aquo said

[dusty pollen]

(if you include CSS animations)

[sudden niche]

Well ofc

Let's run snake in CSS

[dusty pollen]

and being Turing complete is proven to mean you can use said language to run all algorithms (in the mathematical sense)

[sudden niche]

Okay we can

PROBABLY import games from chip8 in p8

https://pico-8.fandom.com/wiki/Stat

Calling stat(4) shows the system clipboard content

Could you technically copy the entirety of a chip8bgame to clipboard then paste it in p8

[cinder karma]

Til - editorconfig isn't a VS thing

[safe dragon]

unthinkable

visual studio adhering to an editor standard

[devout vault]

This is amusing to me because you put "trying to get C++" rather than "trying to get used to C++", like obtaining a C++ compiler is a quest of its own

[rain apex]

It is

[devout vault]

Also re: C++ iterators, just be glad auto exists now. I always hated having to do std::dictionary<std::string, std::vector<SomeObject>>::iterator pre-C++11 (decltype didn't exist back then either)

[rain apex]

Specifically it was to get libstdc++ to work on clang

But again it's entirely due to funny package management system

[devout vault]

That sucks, I was thinking about trying it out for nefarious purposes earlier today.

However my nefarious purposes would involve not using the C# running/debugging....

(I'm talking about to my C# to Java stuff again - I realized that I can probably just hijack a JVM debugger for debugging, somehow)

Given that last time I tried to make a vs extension I couldn't get any code to actually run, I'd probably do it in vscode

[worn remnant]

the gba is actually really fun to write for, because it's a surprisingly modern CPU (arm7tdmi) with super/famicom level tile graphics and OAM. it's very much my sort of thing

[supple ether]

I still think the gba (especially the sp flavor) is one of the best handhelds ever made

I'm sure some of that is nostalgia but damn, it does still hold up after all these years

[devout vault]

I'm more partial to the DS

And the 3ds I guess to some extent (only ever played on the "new 3ds" though)

Put so many hours into Rune Factory 4 (though that's 3ds)

But even normal ds games there was fun stuff like phantom hourglass

The puzzle where you needed to press something on the top and bottom screen together by closing the DS was such a neat concept.

[supple ether]

I feel like the 3ds was kind of a waste, honestly. at least the original flavor.
the 3d gimmick was kind of cool but that was pretty much the only advantage it had over the ds, and they got rid of a number of ds features that I actually did miss

[devout vault]

I always played with the 3d off

What did the 3ds get rid of? Besides GBA game support

[supple ether]

I played with 3d on for like the first couple months and then turned it off basically forever

[supple ether]

pictochat and the download play thing as well

[devout vault]

Ah, pictochat

Fond memories of chatting with my brother past bedtime on it

But hey, at least pictochat lives on in... smash brothers? Technically?

The download play thing was super neat as well

Think we used it for mario kart a bunch

[supple ether]

they had a replacement for pictochat on the 3ds but it was not as cool. it allowed you to do "3d" drawings, but it wasn't a real-time chat, it just let you send mail over wifi. it was limited to ten panels and there was no reply/conversation feature or ability to send to people nearby, so it was basically useless. Also it could only send to other 3dses

[devout vault]

I mean to be fair the ds could only send to other DSes

[supple ether]

true, but it could send to the entire family of dses

og flavor, lite, and dsi

[devout vault]

I guess, but like... most consoles didn't care about backwards compat much back then, right? (But especially nintendo, of course)

[supple ether]

I mean the wii could do gamecube games and the original ds could do gba
though those are something of outliers in the console space, even now

[devout vault]

Yeah but that's game compat

Not multiplayer compat

Also I didn't think of that to be fair 😛

[worn remnant]

nintendo's handhelds famously did backcompat for a long run (gbc->dmg, gba->gbc/dmg, ds->gba)

[supple ether]

oooh crossplay yeah that's a whole other can of worms

no link cable on ds

[worn remnant]

(famously to me, anyway)

[supple ether]

(though tbf the link cable kinda sucked ass anyways)

[devout vault]

For some reason I'm remembering the lite being able to do it but I'm probably misremembering

[supple ether]

you might be right, I never owned a lite

I had two busted secondhand original flavor dses and a 3ds

[worn remnant]

i miss my lite. i loved it

[devout vault]

Google says no (results, not ai garbage)

I still have my lite

And my new 3ds

[worn remnant]

mine was stolen!

[devout vault]

Saw it the other while going through apartment stuff

[devout vault]

Tragic 😔

[supple ether]

I still have my og 3ds

[devout vault]

Oh, I must be thinking of the gameboy SP working with the link cable

[supple ether]

I jailbroke it to run homebrew but I still don't use it much

the sp did have a link cable jack on it yes

[devout vault]

I remember using the gamecube link one for final fantasy crystal chronicles with my brothers, as well as for the SA2 chao garden

And wind waker tingle tuner

[devout vault]

My 3ds is jailbroken too. Wonder if it would break if I updated the OS since I heard they patched the exploit recently-ish? Or if I had done it in one of the permanent ways

[supple ether]

the only multiplayer gba games I had were super mario 3 (I think?) and four swords (on the same cartridge as link to the past)

[devout vault]

Jailbroken wii was a lot of fun as well. We kinda lucked out on the smash bros brawl exploit, considering we played that game religiously (and of course used mods extensively once they started existing)

And then there was the browser exploit for the wii u

[supple ether]

wii was an amazing console, I slightly regret never owning one

[devout vault]

I always wanted to play four swords but you needed four people 😔

Oh that reminds me, also used the GC link for the GC four swords with my brothers

[devout vault]

There's a reason wii sports is the third top selling game of all time (though it's a sorta cheaty case since it came with the console)

[worn remnant]

my friend still uses his wii for playing a ton of emulated old console games on his tv

[red crest]

depending on how old your custom firmware is you can jsut update it as normal. dont do it without checking whether you can though obv

[devout vault]

I wonder how many grandparents still use it for wii sports / wii fit

[cinder karma]

Why did i think a sock knitting competition was a good idea

It is the middle of the night

I have stayed up late to knit sock

I still have ~50 rows left 😦

[rain apex]

What are you competing on

Quality or quantity?

[dusty pollen]

speed of one pair I believe

[rain apex]

So is atra winning

No idea what 50 rows left looks like irl

[dusty pollen]

it's not a small amount for sure

even with socks

[uncut seal]

Hoy, I saw people talking about jailbroken 3DS here, and I'm looking into buying one to tinker with it. But the used 3DS I found are kind of expensive, the one model I found that is in my budget is a DSlite, and I'm waiting to see if I can find a cheap-ish DSi, what do y'all recommend?

[safe dragon]

huh do you want a 3ds or a ds

they're completely different generations of console

[uncut seal]

I'm also thinking about buying a Super-Famicom but I already now it'll be a pain to play it once back in Europe

Oh, well, I didn't actually understood that

I don't think I really care for any 3ds games, the only ds games I wanna play I can think of are quite old I think

[safe dragon]

a DS and an r4 card would probably do the trick

[dusty pollen]

iirc a dsi is the same as a ds with one extra feature but the 3ds is a completely different console

so when in doubt, go for dsi ig?

(dsi = ds with camera if I’m not mistaken)

[safe dragon]

yeah ds lite is literally just a DS but built to be a little less bulky. The DSi does have its own firmware but it's also well understood

[dusty pollen]

I have a ds and all I know is that one of my games is the same cartridge for both ds and dsi, the ds version just disables camera

[safe dragon]

yeah

[cyan shadow]

I recently got a 3DS, I'm delighted with it

[dusty pollen]

I got given my ds for free by a rich classmate with no appreciation for the value of money when I was 11

the literally only problems it has are that the touchscreen has some natural wear and the stylus doesn’t stay in the holder

[safe dragon]

I have an original DS and a DS lite

also a 2DS which I bought with my own money only to then basically never use

[dusty pollen]

I didn’t come from a gamer family so we really didn’t have consoles growing up, and the consoles we eventually had (the ds and when I was 16, a wii) each had like three games because my parents saw the price and noped the hell out

[safe dragon]

I had a really bad track record when it came to using the consoles I bought myself

I bought myself an xbox 360 and a 2ds and I never really used either of them

[dusty pollen]

I now also have a ps4 and a switch and I can relate to that problem because I barely play them

[safe dragon]

oh I also bought myself a switch which I did at least use for a few games but also not much

[dusty pollen]

but also, games are so expensive??? nobody talks about how expensive gaming is as a hobby, even without considering hardware. and here I thought crafty hobbies were bad

[safe dragon]

is it really an expensive hobby though?

[dusty pollen]

gaming? I’d say so

people splash £50 on games like it’s nothing

[safe dragon]

I spend maybe like 10 bucks a month on games

[dusty pollen]

would you call yourself a gamer though

[safe dragon]

ye

[dusty pollen]

interesting

ngl I never can figure out what’s “normal”

[safe dragon]

I play a lot of runescape to be fair

steam has a lot of sales and my mom, sister and I are a steam family so we can play each other's games

[dusty pollen]

I adhded to close to the sun for like a year and whaled on a gacha game which I very much regret but other than that I’m mostly a minimal spend kinda person

[safe dragon]

lmao

there's certainly ways to game that get very expensive

gacha is an obvious one since that's what it's designed for

[dusty pollen]

yeah, I wasn’t including that dw I was more talking about the people who have every AAA game

[safe dragon]

yeah if you do that things get very expensive

[dusty pollen]

or the people who own every sims dlc without it being their job

[safe dragon]

my backlog is big enough that I almost never really have any reason to buy a game at launch

I can just wait for at least a 50% sale

[dusty pollen]

I just don’t hear about them until they’re like a year old anyway

[safe dragon]

my mom and sister yeah

[safe dragon]

well if you watch summer game fest next week you can know about games before they even launch!

[dusty pollen]

every sims dlc??? that’s over $1.5k

[dusty pollen]

awesome! I will not /lh

[safe dragon]

well they stopped playing the sims with sims 4 so it's more so all dlc for sims 1 through 3

not counting the content packs

only the actual dlcs

[dusty pollen]

ah, that’s a different beast. I also own all sims 2 dlc from back when ea were giving it away for free

(I actually bought it back when the sale was only meant to last a week. It ended up lasting like three years)

[safe dragon]

my sister and mom have been buying the dlcs full price as they've been coming out since the magic dlc for sims 1

[dusty pollen]

damn, that’s dedication

do they use cc/mods?

[safe dragon]

my sister yeah

she did anyway

back when she played

sims 4 killed her interest and my mom kinda stopped gaming entirely till I convinced her to get a steam deck

[dusty pollen]

I was gonna say, I assume they both loved 4

especially bust the dust and everything after it

[safe dragon]

when sims 4 launched without even having pools my sister got disillusioned

[dusty pollen]

I know very little about early sims 4 but I hear it was dire

[safe dragon]

yeah no toddlers, no pools

no pets

[dusty pollen]

pets are dlc-only, right?

[safe dragon]

think so

[dusty pollen]

which is why there was that whole controversy about dlc for a dlc

[final trail]

Hello, Is github server down?

https://github.com/MessagePack-CSharp/MessagePack-CSharp

[safe dragon]

loads fine for me

[final trail]

so bad 🥲

[lethal walrus]

i am quite liking postres, although I should probably install an extension for prisma

[cyan shadow]

I generally refuse to spend 50 euros on a single game

However, during the sales or just due to indie games being cheaper in general, you'll occasionally see me splash 50 euros on like, 7 games at once

I admittedly tend to only spend more than 20 at once when I'm stressed, though

[devout vault]

Didn’t the dsi have an internet browser “game” cartridge

[lethal walrus]

it did https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS_Browser

oh that's the normal ds

[devout vault]

Oh it worked for the normal DS too? Huh

[lethal walrus]

oh the dsi had an a built in one https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/3825/~/nintendo-dsi-browser-overview

[devout vault]

Also re consoles and few games, literally the only reason I want a switch 2 is KAR 2 (though regulars here are probably aware of that)

My family had tons of games growing up (except the Wii U era, at least comparatively - still several, but not “buy the children a game on a whim” level thanks to job situations)

These days I really get the impression we fit the typical decently well off middle class family stereotype pretty well

[thin estuary]

iirc the DS one had to come on a custom cart, with extra RAM on it, or something, rofl

oh wait no, it came with a separate cartridge for the GBA slot that had the RAM?

it's so funky

that's 16 MB of RAM right there

[uncut seal]

yeah, I just bought 9 games for 80€

Blue Prince is a banger, finally a puzzle game that will take me more than 10 hours to beat

[uncut seal]

this? https://dancekar.com/

It was the first result

[safe dragon]

Kirby air ride

[uncut seal]

Hell yeah, I just downloaded it last week to play on Dolphin, I'm expecting it to be a blast when I see my friends this summer

such a shame that KAR2 will probably be Switch 2 locked...

[pliant snow]

I would say more than just probably

[modest jewel]

I only own IOS stardew valley but if I opened a tcp tunnel through ngrok on a pc and routed it to my ipad’s ip address then would i be able to host an online stardew valley game? or is it only pc that can host a game

[uncut seal]

I... think you're in the wrong chat

[modest jewel]

what chat would i go to

if any..

[uncut seal]

I would say one of the channels in the "Stardew Valley" tab, this channel is specifically for non-SV related stuff. I'm guessing you're not talking about modded SV so making-mods-general doesn't seem relevant here.

[modest jewel]

oh alr

[safe dragon]

though as far as I know there's no crossplay between mobile and pc

maybe I'm wrong

[modest jewel]

I thought there was

[safe dragon]

idk that's why it's the wrong channel

can't tell u

[cyan shadow]

Ayyyy

[uncut seal]

(I only allowed myself to pay that much because I didn't buy anything for 2 months before this)

[lethal walrus]

stardew is udp iirc so ngrok isnt an option

[lethal walrus]

there is, 1.6 things

[safe dragon]

dam

[lethal walrus]

i have spent 2 hours fighting prisma. I gave up

[safe dragon]

I always return to just writing sql queries

[lethal walrus]

but my types!! i want my autocomplete!

[safe dragon]

get the best of both world with sqlx in rust

[lethal walrus]

why are databases so expensive

[rain apex]

Pillow aren't there only like 30k mods

I'm sure sqlite can deal with it

[lethal walrus]

oh yeah i could totally just throw this on a vps fair point

oh but no i can't use next then

(i like next)

i could just write a seperate db backend though

[rain apex]

I'm pretty sure the db costs r actually price of paying for a college kid to go poke at the ☁️ for you

If u just spin up own postgres on bare metal it can't be that bad right

[lethal walrus]

almost definitely not bad

[safe dragon]

can't imagine you need any kind of paid db for 30k records

at that point you could probably even manage with an in memory database

[lethal walrus]

somehow i hit 80% of neon's free tier storage limit so am looking for options

[lethal walrus]

ok and what happens if i need to update the server that hasn't been restart in.. 258 days

[safe dragon]

a persisted in memory database

[lethal walrus]

oh so operations in memory but it commits to storage

[safe dragon]

like node-persist but probably better

[devout vault]

You have lost your license of being considered a regular here /s

[rain apex]

I thought most dbs are in memory

Like sure they go to page eventually

[safe dragon]

that'd be terrifying for databases terabytes in size

[rain apex]

But they have big ol shared mem for this

[lethal walrus]

and not just a key value

[safe dragon]

yeah

[lethal walrus]

what do you mean there are 500kb of upgradeable packages apt i just did update

[safe dragon]

really I'd just go with sqlite

probably

[rain apex]

A long time ago i was involved in a hobby thing where

[lethal walrus]

tbh i'll probably do postgres i am quite liking it

[devout vault]

CPU (cascading package updates)

[rain apex]

One guy has a workflow that put data in a sqlite file on a cdn every game update

Everyone else using that data just dl it

It works bc the game data doesn't update every day

[devout vault]

“Oh you have a newer version of X installed? You can now use a newer version of Y (not usable with the version of X you used to be on)!”

[rain apex]

Mods unfortunately update more frequently

[safe dragon]

for now

[devout vault]

I don’t think mods are installed via apt

Which was explicitly mentioned

[rain apex]

Pillow is making a mod indexing thing

[devout vault]

Not counting Apache mods

[safe dragon]

imma make a mod manager that uses your distro's package manager

[devout vault]

But the cascading package updates were through apt, which presumably is used for indexer itself and not the things being indexed (ie. The mods)

[rain apex]

Ah yea

[devout vault]

Oh boy I love waiting for the approval and redistribution process upstream

[rain apex]

I wonder how pacman deals with this actually, dont think i ever noticed needing to do update twice

[devout vault]

(I don’t know how bad that is usually, I just hear some distros are pretty bad)

[devout vault]

Maybe it does it like a dependency tree, where after it updates root stuff, then it checks further down?

Or multiple passes in one command

[safe dragon]

"sorry you won't get the new version of the mod until you upgrade to the newest version of linux mint"

[devout vault]

Since windows has no built in package manager (last I heard), they are the only ones who get updates as they are finished development

Window users get to be the beta testers

[safe dragon]

we'll use winget

which is actually windows' package manager

[lethal walrus]

very effective version control so far https://probably-not-a.tokenlogger.zip/vLmoWddLn6

[rain apex]

WY PRISMA

[lethal walrus]

it does say that

[devout vault]

Huh.

Well in my defense I’ve been isolated in c# land for ages so nuget is usually enough for me 😛

[steel eagle]

hey? quick question? when it comes to making mods and/or learning how to program? should i take up free courses on it? i wanna know cause some schools are doing free programing courses

harvard is doing free courses! including on programing! idk if this is off topic but hey? why not?
https://pll.harvard.edu/catalog/free?price[1]=1&page=0

plus many are online especially computer science and some programing courses

[lethal walrus]

that wasn't that bad actually https://i-have-not.got-your.info/axIVPEWJZh

[devout vault]

.choose work on my Minecraft modding in c# stuff again, just think about working on it like normal

[heavy dagger]

Choose result: just think about working on it like normal

[devout vault]

Laziness wins again!

[safe dragon]

winning

[regal ingot]

A power outage made my decision about being productive for me. I was forced (forced, I say) to go have dinner from the DeathXTaco food truck at the pub instead.

fortunately(?) the power company claims my power is back on now so I don't have any good excuses to keep from being productive now.

[cinder karma]

I took an accidental 3hr nap so

Productivity?

The thing about being old. No longer can I just stack sleep deprivation on sleep deprivation

[lethal walrus]

oh thats why i dont have anything in the db - i have sessions set to jwt

eh it works fine i just cant look at users ig

[fleet wren]

are you me just now

I think I an entire week in my dream

[cinder karma]

I dreamed about cleaning and organizing

One of the nice things about like

Having a lot of handmade items

Is that every time I do laundry I can be like "oh yeah I made that"

For example there are six pairs of handmade socks

Seven

[fleet wren]

how do you ensure they're not devoured by the laundry demon

[cinder karma]

Oh lol my exhausted brain put my headphones through the laundry

They still work!!!!

[cinder karma]

My clothing typically isnt

[dusty pollen]

I'm too scared to wash knitwear

or make knitwear that requires regular washing

[dusty pollen]

quick, tag chu

[cinder karma]

Knitting bread

[dusty pollen]

very pretty bread

[slender badge]

Can I teleport it?

[supple ether]

Skrim was on sale for $10 yesterday so I thought I'd treat myself

In the 15 years I have never once played skrim and I figured it was time to give it a try

[devout vault]

Classic r/patientgamers move

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/patientgamers

[supple ether]

That's part of it but honestly it's also just epic time blindness

"oh that looks interesting. I'll try it some time." and then it takes me 10 years to get around to it

[devout vault]

Totally don't have things on my wishlist added back in 2016

[cursive sigil]

14*

[cinder karma]

I have been told I should play that kerbal space game

For

Uh

does math

11 years

(I probably still wont.)

[cursive sigil]

What game is that

[cinder karma]

You make a rocket and go to spac

It's pure engineer bait

[devout vault]

I tried it once, it was neat but I didn't have the attention span for it (hardly new nowadays, but a bit more unusual back then)

[cursive sigil]

...i technically am an engineer

[devout vault]

\

[supple ether]

Literal rocket science

It's a simulator game where you build and launch rockets

[devout vault]

Supposedly has a really good modding scene too

[cursive sigil]

quietly adds it to the list™️

[supple ether]

IIRC there's a crossover mod for ksp and factorio

[devout vault]

"the list" in question:

[cinder karma]

Again. Probably fun! For people who are normal and Functional TM and aren't goo on the ground at the moment

[supple ether]

Mood

[cinder karma]

I'm also told there is a great aerodynamics mod

And I should try to make a plane

[devout vault]

I was sooooooo bad at all of it

[cinder karma]

It's 9pm and after taking a 3hr nap I am literally just going to go to bed early because that is thr amount of exhausted this week is

I meant to get shit done and all I did this afternoon was a single load of laundry, some half assed gardening, and some cooking

[pliant snow]

You should be imprisoned

[cinder karma]

Does prison come with a bed

[regal ingot]

and strict lights-out hours!

[sand frost]

And a floor

[final trail]

Hello guy, who have any idea why ConsoleApp c# it's lock run at 33fps?

i don't know why 🥲

frame time it's 30ms, why?, i have Thread.Sleep(16) ms

[safe dragon]

how is fpscounter implemented

[final trail]

here: https://pastebin.com/ai1PymLS

i test Sleep(1ms) i got 60fps, 😂

[lethal walrus]

Unsurprising given that you aren't artificially delaying it now

[safe dragon]

hrm I'm not really sure

why would it be unsurprising

not like this program is in any way tied to the monitor refresh rate

60 should be an arbitrary number

[final trail]

Thread.Sleep(1ms) is should not lock at 60fps

my monitor 144hz

[safe dragon]

I know thread.sleep is very unreliable on windows which I'm sure plays a role but idk

idk other than Thread.Sleep shenanigans I'm not really sure what it could be from a vague glance at the code

[dusty pollen]

these both indicate that your loop without the sleep takes about 15ms

so with 15ms sleep it takes close to 30, with 1ms sleep it takes 1

[safe dragon]

but how would doing absolutely nothing except a fairly minimal amount of writelines take 15 ms

[dusty pollen]

question is what's taking those 15ms (probably the fps counter, but why)

no clue, but the maths is pretty consistent between the two cases

I would test doing 1000 calls to fps.Update() and the writelines (not using a loop, copy and paste it) to see how long it takes total

[safe dragon]

what does Stopwatch.Frequency return

could opt to use the static Stopwatch.GetTimestamp and Stopwatch.GetElapsedTime instead since they don't have nearly as much overhead as initializing and running stopwatches

[final trail]

😵‍💫

[cinder karma]

Thread.Sleep is weird on Windows

https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/15ql2af/to_what_point_is_threadsleep_accurate/

[final trail]

Oh thanks

[final trail]

Hello, any one have idea
what a best way to compress sprite pixel byte[]?
lz4? or RLE or other method?

i have test RLE it, compress from 4m byte up to 6m+ byte 😂

[pliant snow]

Perhaps not the best RLE scheme then

[final trail]

and now i try to use Png compress + decompress

i use SKBitmap Png that works & good
from 3_686_400 byte down to 52_409 byte

ratio compress around: 60, 70

but image.Encode(..) png & no lossless it take time around 30ms

i use LZ4 and here result
before: 3,686,400 byte
after: 148, 018 byte
ratio: 24
use 1ms for compress

original size: 13783040
compress pixel time: 3.4452
compress size: 592417
good!

[cinder karma]

How does tigervnc handle things

[final trail]

what is triggervnc?

[cinder karma]

Tigervnc. Remote desktop

[crystal wren]

I have severe distate for a particular VNC server I used to use a while back. I don't remember which one, but it shipped with an absolutely inexcusably horrendous default configuration, and it made me angy.

[rain apex]

i thought remote desktop stuff is like streaming video basically

[cinder karma]

Well it can't possibly be taking up 30% of server time

It is, it's close to what narathip is trying to do

[final trail]

ah sorry, currently my project i'm try to streaming some game render FrameBuffer
send back to Unity

[cinder karma]

But I don't see VNC at all in top

So clearly they have a way that...maybe they only send diffs or smth

[crystal wren]

https://github.com/DearVa/parsec-sdk-csharp

Parsec might be a decent candidate?

Not sure about platform support, though.

[crystal wren]

(And just to clarify this... it shipped with fucking UPnP enabled BY DEFAULT. On a bloody VNC server.)

I only found out about it because I was talking to someone on Steam in bed, while having the chat window open on my computer.

I felt it kinda weird that all of a sudden I was spamming random console input into my Steam chat.

[pliant snow]

if you want it for gaming, you can try sunshine/moonlight

[final trail]

i switch DeliveryMethod for send frame buffer from ReliableOrdered to Unreliable

i think that is good, but streaming FPS not smooth
and game run works fine

[rain apex]

aw but what about the 3D

[final trail]

here, some Furniture & Farmer renderer

i just want to try streaming terrain ground, floor

currently i haven't combine (screen streaming * background) and Sprite 3D renderer

i need to remap & use magic code for convert game position 😂

[devout vault]

I remember once with SFML I accidentally did sleep(0) (because of math) and uh…. Sleep(0) does not behave intuitively, that’s for sure

[dusty pollen]

I want to code

but I don't want to write code

people: can we recreate the human mind using computers?
the human mind:

[lethal walrus]

well you see we have this great thing called ✨ vibe coding ✨ where you let a computer write your vulnerabilites for you while giving minimal oversight

[dusty pollen]

oh but you see

no

seriously though why would anyone want to remove any of the fun parts of coding and be left only with the annoying tedious parts where you fix syntax and random minor bugs

[safe dragon]

boy I sure love refactoring

wish I had some AI who could write code for me to refactor

being judged for my very real and sincere feelings

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by irocendar as #6396 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1378842685254668389)

[safe dragon]

now it's even recorded

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6397 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1378842890645798932)

[safe dragon]

wtf

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by irocendar as #6398 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1378843966392500474)

[final trail]

[cinder karma]

Morning, crumble+

[safe dragon]

morning

even though it's 11 pm

[devout vault]

Me & my ADHD the past while

+2 minecraft mod ideas yesterday, but have I progressed on any of them? Noooooo

[crystal wren]

I got a burst of it all and ended up getting my mods building in a GitHub runner today. That's something, right?

[dusty pollen]

I have serious ideas for three stardew frameworks

[cinder karma]

This is on topic

[dusty pollen]

not if I never make them!

[devout vault]

Right, it's MAKING-mods-general, not FANTASIZING-mods-general

I'm sure I have notes on ideas for things for spacecore somewhere on my computer

[dusty pollen]

what if I throw some of them at you, casey

[devout vault]

One of those ideas is actually finishing the docs on the new website I started!

[dusty pollen]

and bully you into making them /lh

[devout vault]

Maybe hold off until I get back into SDV modding, then there might not even need to be bullying involved 😛

[dusty pollen]

the real problem is that I really shouldn't work on them until I update a different mod but I don't wanna

[devout vault]

(Real talk, I would kinda like to split spacecore into two - original mod being the basic stuff, new mod being stuff that would require every client to have it (like things adding netfields). But given the compatibility problems that wouldn't really be feasible outside of if another major mod breaking update happens to base game)

(Getting dangerously on topic so I'll stop there)

I want to do my minecraft mods but first I need to make the C# to Java toolchain 😔

[dusty pollen]

the what

[devout vault]

C# to Java toolchain

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6400 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1378855193554190376)

[devout vault]

For coding Minecraft mods in C# but having them run in the Java

[dusty pollen]

that's terrifying

[crystal wren]

Casey's been doing the darkest of magic.

[devout vault]

I found a library that'll do the hard part... for very old .net and java.

I tried updating it and it "works" until you run the result.

[crystal wren]

Well, not quite the darkest...

[dusty pollen]

so... it doesn't

[devout vault]

(My hello world console app crashes on launch, with a different error each time)

[devout vault]

I mean it might work if I stuck with Java 8 and .net framework 😛

But I wanna mod modern Minecraft

The part that generates reference assemblies from jar files seems to work fine

[lethal walrus]

you can compile fabric mods with java 8 and they work on latest, idk about forge

[devout vault]

It seems like it's struggling with stuff related to new C# stuff though (mainly Span stuff)

[devout vault]

But .net framework would make me sad 😦

[lethal walrus]

DH... why

[devout vault]

Although maybe I could look at what things are purely language features and/or would work with a polyfill

[lethal walrus]

wouldnt you be using .net framework anyway

[devout vault]

No, I've updated it to work with .net core (besides not actually running)

[lethal walrus]

oooh

[devout vault]

And once I hypothetically get that finished, I'll need to do the build system part. Integrating MS build with maven

So I can reference forge/fabric, and other mods

And then I'll need to figure out debugging and hot reload

Probably will have to do VSCode for that since the time I tried making a VS extension, it wouldn't actually do anything

[crystal wren]

[dusty pollen]

the people want answers, dh

[cinder karma]

I likes it better when you guys were on topic

[devout vault]

On topic on topic or on topic for this channel

[cinder karma]

Anyways I have a very important irl thing

||Knit club. I'm going to knit club.||

[ivory shadow]

I was going to ask if it was socks. Close enough

[rain apex]

did you win atra

[devout vault]

.choose attempt to decipher the inner workings of my corrupted (ie. JVM-ified) C#, continue to avoid it like any sane programmer would because of the risk of the corruption spreading

[heavy dagger]

Choose result: continue to avoid it like any sane programmer would because of the risk of the corruption spreading

[devout vault]

Woo

Guess I'll just sit around thinking about minecraft mods (both my ideas and actually playing) instead

[cinder karma]

I barely squeaked into the next round, chue

[cinder karma]

I'm actually curious ngl

[devout vault]

About some part of it specifically?

[cinder karma]

About all of it

The nondwterminisk

The weird wrrors

[devout vault]

Oh, yeah, I can't answer that because I don't know what's going on there

I looked at the decompiled-as-Java version and it isn't simply mapping to System.out.println

It's going through some layers of JVM-ified-C#-Streams and Span stuff

[cinder karma]

The all important question. What is for dinners

[devout vault]

I'm just not sure how it manages to be non deterministic. It baffles me

...you know how in some settings the eldritch corruption is slightly addicting like forbidden knowledge often is?

I'm kinda feeling that way at the moment for figuring out what the heck is going on, but still not wanting to deal with it

[devout vault]

Hmm. The safest answer I can give: "food"

(Dinner is a problem for later, more hungry me)

[sand frost]

probably smoked salmon and green beans

we just had some toast

[cinder karma]

A wise atra would make minestrone

An unwise atra will have more dumplings

[sand frost]

dumplings are good!

that's what we had for lunch

[winged cape]

is it just me or is it really annoying to drag and drop files on the sidebar in vs code? i cant scroll while doing that so i have to wait for the folders to slowly scroll down on its own

[pliant snow]

Oh, yeah it's kinda annoying. I would just right click and open in a real file manager to do it

[cinder karma]

Tired: doing useful shit

Wired: putting c0ffee in as my test data in as many places as I can

[safe dragon]

at my old job (retail software) I made a product called horse to use for testing cause I found it amusing to think about someone buying a horse at the cash register. I got so used to using that product that even now when I need a random name for something my mind goes to horse

yup here's the cable wiring scheme called horse

[thin estuary]

i can't believe #c0ffee isn't the color of coffee

[cyan shadow]

Is it just called Horse or is this some elaborate scheme to get people to reach to this with "Pardon?", only for the person who came up with it to go "yeah, paarden!"

I'll see myself out

[safe dragon]

lmao your dutch pun game is already better than my own

I'm afraid I had no such motives

nor did it ever happen

a shame

[cyan shadow]

Every now and then I hit bestie with one and can see him rethinking his strategy of forcing me to speak Dutch with him

[safe dragon]

regret mixed with pride

[dusty pollen]

let’s see if my rgb guessing skills are decent, I’m guessing roughly this colour

[safe dragon]

should be brighter I think

[dusty pollen]

okay not too far, hue was very close (160degrees vs 164) but saturation and value were pretty far off

[pliant snow]

apparently it's official name is "Humming Bird"

[devout vault]

Breaking News: Big Coffee found to be using humming birds as their main ingredient

[cursive sigil]

Very concerning

[safe dragon]

foolish we were for thinking that the primary ingredient in coffee was water

[worn remnant]

i once compiled a bunch of rgb hex triplets that are both cromulent words and pleasant colors to look at. i'm not sure where it ended up

#facade is the one i remember offhand. it's a lovely pink

[devout vault]

Makes me thinks of things like 0xDEADBEEF.

I just looked at the wikipedia page that lists that, and saw some I had never seen before. I'm not sure what to think about the "Formerly required by Microsoft's Hyper-V hypervisor ..." one, or the "OpenSolaris core dumps" one (for different reasons for each of them).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_number_(programming)#Debug_values

[floral fox]

idk where to put this but someone who mods hear me out but we need pride flags in stardew ngl

[devout vault]

Stardew modding stuff going in one of the making mods channels or #modded-stardew , but I'm pretty sure there are many pride mods available on nexus if you search

[cinder karma]

Cuteeee

I like 8badf00d ngl

[devout vault]

I hope you're not calling either of the ones I mentioned (especially the latter) cute

[cinder karma]

I'm just using 0xc0ffee because yeahhhh

I love fun hex stuff.

I need debug values

I live off coffee

What is not to love

[coral mango]

https://tangogameworks.com any one want to make games well the new tangogameworks is hiring

[devout vault]

Install VScode hex editor extension (the microsoft extension).
Ctrl+F for 1d - it highlights 0x31 / '1'
Ctrl+F for bf - it highlights 0x61 / 'a'

Very useful MS, thanks

[devout vault]

They require speaking Japanese, and are hybrid at best (so no working from another country, and they're in Japan), so not sure how much audience that'll have in a English-only server like this one

[uncut seal]

I could be part of the audience for this, but the results of my Japanese language midterms are saying otherwise

[safe dragon]

I can just barely read the job posting very slowly so I don't think it's working out for me either

(nor do I meet any of the other requirements)

[uncut seal]

senior
Welp, I'm out of the race anyway

[safe dragon]

all for a salary lower than my current one

[dusty pollen]

ngl I look at the “about the team” pages of companies like these and wonder if there’s even a point to apply for women in dev atp (this is a very small team, but check out nexus for a fun example)

like even if companies like that hire me, what are the odds it wouldn’t be extremely awkward at best

[safe dragon]

it can work out fine but yeah very male dominated

[cinder karma]

Fwiw it can work out - there are about six women in the company I work for - but a lot has to align.

[safe dragon]

my sister's a dev and has been fine so far (other than regular work issues like investment stakeholders ruling what gets done)

[dusty pollen]

oh, I'm not worried about dev in general, just game dev

dev in general has and always had women in it

in fact, women were doing dev work before men were

[strange copper]

iro are you a game dev?

[uncut seal]

according to my tumblr feed, a lot of trans women as well

[dusty pollen]

I'm not but I'm looking into getting work in general rn

[dusty pollen]

(I could rant about the myth that programming is "becoming" more open to women or that it used to be only for men for hours - it is so untrue that there was a time when it was considered to be only for women)

[idle tartan]

there are many states for the player, running, walking, standing still.

i wonder when making the animation sprite sheet, is it best to make all three animations in one image (being ordered in a sequence ofc)?
or for each state it should be a separate image, and by state i meant the three states mentioned above.

[crystal wren]

Depends! Ideally, you would have every single image (world, characters, items, literally everything) in one large texture.

Outside of that, which modern engines... might... do automatically(?), it's just personal organisational preference.

[dusty pollen]

yeah, it's hard to really talk about ideal setups in matters like these without knowing a LOT more about what exactly you're using

[crystal wren]

I'll say for example that if you're using Godot and the AnimationPlayer node, having everything in one image is stupidly nicer to work with.

Otherwise you also need to animate/keyframe sprite texture changes, which is just... ew, no.

[final trail]

[sage canopy]

I'm the only woman in my company's development department, with nine guys around me (the other woman retired due to age). And the only people applying for a job here are more guys. Maybe it's good that we're not developing games - the guys are mostly married, definitely mature - which I wouldn't expect the stereotypical game dev to be 😄

[cyan shadow]

Literally everything or could you hypothetically have things split into a couple of sheets

Having the entire game's textures on one sheet sounds like a cursors situation on a large scale

[cyan shadow]

Mum's in the interesting role of being the "older woman dev-turned-manager the female freshers look up to" now, but throughout her career she always had lots of female colleagues. The men were definitely the majority, but not by much, from what she told me

I always find it so interesting when I find out that this isn't the case elsewhere

Her best interns have been women, too, it was always a scramble to get them on her team before they could get assigned elsewhere in the company

[sage canopy]

May be a cultural thing. Germany is not exactly known to be overly progressive in terms of equal chances independent of gender in any technological field (maths, engineering, it ...)

[cyan shadow]

India isn't known to be particularly progressive either, but we did have a solid IT boom in the 90s and early 00s and many cultures within the country encourage women to work, so IT tends to be a good choice for women

My mother and her sisters were expected to get a good education and get jobs, same went for my dad's sisters

[sage canopy]

We did have 2 female applicants from India, actually. Both quit after their parents found a husband for them, and went back to India.

[cyan shadow]

Bleh

[sage canopy]

I agree

[cyan shadow]

The day my parents attempt to find me someone is the day I book an appointment with a neuro for them because it'll be so damn out of character

My parents expect me to build a career for myself, a life partner is secondary

My grandparents, both the ones still living and the ones no longer with us, feel the same way

[cyan shadow]

Also this is a missed opportunity on the husbands' parts, could've gone to Germany to be with their wives instead

[sage canopy]

Yep, if they had wanted to

[cyan shadow]

My uncle did that, went to the States as my aunt's dependent and then got work there himself so they could both earn

[sage canopy]

I rarely understand people, but some I understand even less

[cyan shadow]

I have my theories as to why they wanted to remain in India and none of them are heartwarming

Arranged marriages/marriages that arise from matrimony websites are either supremely happy, or incredibly unhappy, no in-between

The happy ones tend to be ones where the couple are supportive of each other and make a good team, like any normal happy marriage

[dusty pollen]

and if you’re managing asset loading yourself, it’s probably also better to avoid loading more assets individually…

[dusty pollen]

it actually likely became less the case since your mum started out - if anything, the number of women in tech have reduced a few times since then as far as I can tell

[cyan shadow]

the numbers haven't reduced in India, oddly enough

Doesn't seem to have, anyway

And she works for a lucrative, high-paying startup rn so the competition to get in is pretty fierce, but she still has a fair few, much younger, female colleagues

[dusty pollen]

is it on topic to this channel to ask why discord introduced the ability to react or reply to pfps...

sorry for singling you out quill, but... why

[cyan shadow]

How dare they shave pixels off my height in my pfp with this nonsense

[worn remnant]

discord as always with their finger on the pulse of what the people really want (features that invite abuse, like sending replies to people's profile pictures! seems cool! /s) and ignoring useless stuff (features that might mitigate abuse, like letting users control their own ping preferences)

[dusty pollen]

the absolute best part? the "reaction" just sends the emote as a DM marked "reaction to pfp", in the exact same way that the "reply" works

[worn remnant]

https://tenor.com/view/blinking-eyes-white-guy-blinking-meme-what-huh-gif-26334323

[cinder karma]

I'm gonna try my best to draw reply to your pfp

[dusty pollen]

the feature literally works by sending a regular dm which says

> -# *Reacted to <default display name>’s avatar*
:<emote>:

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Oxc0ffee

[dusty pollen]

you can edit the message as normal btw, it is very much a normal DM

with some default text

[cinder karma]

Anyways, social media be social media lol

[dusty pollen]

I would love to know what the meeting was like where this feature was suggested

[worn remnant]

i found it

[dusty pollen]

Faeces seems... wrong for the meaning

[cinder karma]

Nice!

I'll save that for test data

[dusty pollen]

I wonder if that's the full list

...I wonder if I have python installed on this pc

[worn remnant]

i'm sure the list is longer. i curated this one

[cinder karma]

It's just fun seeing 0xc0ffee or 0×deadbeef up on terminal

Instead of the boring 0x55aa55aa

[dusty pollen]

I'm just gonna go write a script that finds all legal hexadecimal 6- and 8-letter words + all words that are legal hex if you replace similar looking letters with digits

[crystal wren]

Where's eigengrau? /j

[dusty pollen]

which would be... 1=i or L, 4=A, 5=S, 7=T, 0=o ig

no need for e=3 or 6=b because those are already legal hex digits

[crystal wren]

I also just now realised what was happening with the colours... that's very nice.

[worn remnant]

thank you

[dusty pollen]

how did you find them, ichor? manually coming up with them? because that's impressive

[worn remnant]

more or less! i'm pretty sure the unix dictionary files were involved, to get me a word list, and then i looked for nice ones

it was years ago at this point. i whipped up a little html page to display them and left it in a corner of my hard drive and i stopped when i got bored (i'm sure i could have found more)

[dusty pollen]

ba5eba11 is a fun one

anyway I used

words = []
with open('./words.txt', 'r') as f:
    for line in f:
        word = line.strip().lower()
        if len(word) != 6 and len(word) != 8:
            continue
        if "'" in word:
            continue
        if 'i' in word and 'l' in word:
            continue
        word = word.translate(str.maketrans({'i': '1', 'l': '1', 's': '5', 't': '7', 'o': '0'}))
        if len(word.strip('0123456789abcdef')) != 0:
            continue
        words.append(word)
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
hxs = []
for word in words:
    print(word)
    hxs.append([int(word[i:i+2], 16) for i in range(0, len(word), 2)])

    code = [[hxs[-1]]]

    pixel_per_bar = 200
    dpi = 100

    fig = plt.figure(figsize=(len(code) * pixel_per_bar / dpi, 2), dpi=dpi)
    ax = fig.add_axes([0, 0, 1, 1])  # span the whole figure
    ax.set_axis_off()
    ax.imshow(code, aspect='auto',
            interpolation='nearest')
    plt.show()
    plt.close()

with a word list from SCOWL with parameters:
diacritic: strip
max_size: 35
max_variant: 1
special: hacker
spelling: US GBs GBz CA AU

there are 381 such words in this list (but they aren't all very readable)

[pliant snow]

Z can also be a 2

[dusty pollen]

fine, rerunning it

[sage canopy]

or b = 6

[sage canopy]

oh wait, B is already valid in hex 😄

[dusty pollen]

yeah

[sage canopy]

I need more c0ffee

asbestos is the reason our local tram station is closed

[dusty pollen]

aquo added 14 new words, for a total of 395

[sage canopy]

And how many valid words exist in that list without any number replacements?

[dusty pollen]

this one seems strangely thematic

...I'm using "strip" wrong

[pliant snow]

we've all been there

[dusty pollen]

tbf it worked for my initial purpose that's in the code above

[uncut seal]

holly shit, that's probably my favorite english word

[dusty pollen]

to answer your question, 10

[uncut seal]

(I learned a lot of english from Portal)

[dusty pollen]

accede, beaded, bedded, beefed, cabbed, dabbed, decade, deeded, deface, facade

[worn remnant]

your script missed "faffed"

[dusty pollen]

hmm, must not be in the word list I generated

yup, not in the list

[worn remnant]

no worries, i just remember it from mine

[dusty pollen]

it's probably in the higher parameter lists

min scowl size for faff to appear seems to be 55

[worn remnant]

(faff is also one of my favorite english words)

[sand frost]

that's the right color for asbestos iirc

They're doing asbestos abatement on the other side of my floor rn

[dusty pollen]

my favourite part is the 05 alpha value

aka 2% opacity

[sand frost]

such color

[dusty pollen]

okay: a higher scowl size adds decaff, efface and faffed

but it also raises the total number of words to 575

[cinder karma]

Scowl size

[sand frost]

i'm picturing you scowling more and more

[dusty pollen]

:(

[sand frost]

grumpier and grumpier faces until the word list does your bidding

[dusty pollen]

elizabeth, what colour are acetates in your experience

trick question! they're green

[sage canopy]

also https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/baccae

[dusty pollen]

I assume I'd have to set the scowl size to max to get that one

[cinder karma]

I'm glad to see y'all are nerdsnipe

Now if I could only nerdsnipe to something useful

[sage canopy]

perfect word for what we're doing: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/daffed

putting aside what we should be doing with the excuse that we're doing other stuff 😄

[rain apex]

#rgb-interest

[supple ether]

my main complaint with 11 is that a recent update destabilized the compositor, so occasionally it will just freeze and flicker the screen for a second, which is pretty annoying

it didn't used to do that and I don't know what they changed to cause it

[subtle totem]

the 1st updates are the course of MS

since 98

[crystal wren]

2000 was still my favourite.

[subtle totem]

same as me

any stone pc boot in 5 secs

the worst win ME

was so bad that don´t old more tham 1 yr LUL

[supple ether]

I actually loved 7

xp was pretty solid though

[crystal wren]

Content Patcher is pretty great, yeah.

[subtle totem]

xp and 7 was pretty solid as F@##k

any love for win vista 😛

[supple ether]

I have fond memories of vista but also I know it was a hot mess

[subtle totem]

with sp2 was good but without that

[supple ether]

7 was like vista but less of a clusterfuck

[subtle totem]

yes

because they dont release the win longhorn

[supple ether]

I will be forever sad about that

[subtle totem]

well at lest born win 7 so

[cinder karma]

(I don't recall 7)

[subtle totem]

i jsut change win 7 for win 10 i pass that crap win 8

[supple ether]

win 8 was so awful

[subtle totem]

special the menus dam

[crystal wren]

I basically completely skipped over ME... and Vista... and 8...

[supple ether]

they wanted windows to be a mobile os sooooo bad and it ruined desktop uis for like a decade

[subtle totem]

[

hurt my eyes to look that

[supple ether]

I hate square corners I hate flat colors I hate windowless applications

[subtle totem]

that UI and Ux design LUL

[supple ether]

I want skeumorphism I want visual effects I want my virtual workspace to be a virtual workspace

[fleet wren]

This was back when Microsoft, Apple, and even Canonical pursued the strategy of convergence (one OS on desktop, mobile, tablets, even consoles)

[supple ether]

I mean I think they're still trying to do that, they've just realized that they need to be a little more flexible about it

[subtle totem]

these day the only think they care is money i prefer the time they give option to buy instead give us Freemium with bugs and spywares´

[fleet wren]

it's definitely not as all in as say the early 2010s

[ivory shadow]

Skip every other Windows version continues to be the best advice.

98: good
ME: awful
XP: good
Vista: awful
7: good
8: awful
10: good
11: you guessed it

(Yes, 2000 is missing from this list but 2000 wasn't really used by home users.)

[subtle totem]

i used 2k

[ivory shadow]

If you're posting in a channel called #programmers-off-topic you are an outlier and not considered for the purpose of this statistic