programmers-off-topic

[leaden marsh]

Mewberry

NyashShifter

[devout vault]

Keep in mind I need to do this automatically

I'm not manually doing this for all the authors

(Obviously I'm using an LLM to determine the base cat factor that we just discussed)

[leaden marsh]

What if I manually do it for all the mod authors

Pathos how many mod authors are there

[devout vault]

Well you only have to do C# mod authors since content packs can't have stack traces

[rain apex]

at least 12

[devout vault]

(Though I suppose for these purposes they could....)

[leaden marsh]

I hate that this is my kind of humor

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6372 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1372398204942811246)

[cinder karma]

!compat

[indigo mist]

See https://smapi.io/mods for a searchable list of mods updated for the latest versions of SMAPI and Stardew Valley, with links to download them. :)

To use this command, type !compat.

[leaden marsh]

we're dangerously close to being on topic

[cinder karma]

Nicely formatted json dump of all c# mods for u, casey

[devout vault]

No this is for more my super important video of Pathoscat, it's fine

[devout vault]

I need the pdb info too 😔

Just dropping this mod in an existing install at the moment, assuming I have any around that are actually gameplay ones

Otherwise I'll just get a nexus collection downloaded since I have premium

[leaden marsh]

maybe sinz might be able to help lol

[cinder karma]

All open source mods

#making-mods-general message

https://github.com/Pathoschild/StardewScripts/tree/main/fetch-mod-code#readme

....there are mods on mercurial

[devout vault]

Downloading every mod sounds like it would take too long for the fixation roulette

[leaden marsh]

The idea of exceptions flying behind Pathoscat makes me imagine him as the demon king of exceptions

[devout vault]

A demon king would have them flying towards you

It'll be more clear in the finished product I have in mind, trust me

(more clear that Pathos is the victim, that is)

[leaden marsh]

Pathoschild may be the victim, but pathoscat could be an agent of chaos, you never know

[cinder karma]

Poor pathos

[devout vault]

This version of pathoscat will be the victim. Again, all will be made clear

[cinder karma]

https://stardewmodding.wiki.gg/images/7/73/Pathosdidalotofstuff.png

[leaden marsh]

Understatement of the century

[pliant snow]

Please, call me Pathoschild, Pathosfather was my father

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by myuusubi as #6373 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1372401430866038844)

[devout vault]

Ugh, System.Reflection.Metadata is so convoluted

[pliant snow]

no u

[grave meteor]

Does anyone here recall the sims medieval mobile

NOT the same as the desktop game

[leaden marsh]

i only played sims city on the wii, so no

[grave meteor]

OMG I have a windows 10 phone jailbroken to play it

It's the only game

[devout vault]

Reasonable use case for using a predefined type or two instead of tuples? Naaaaaaaaaah.
Dictionary<IManifest, List<Tuple<string, int, List<Tuple<string, List<string>>>>>>

I'm totally not lost in a sea of >

(Okay tuples are immutable, guess I'm convoluting it more by changing the int to Holder<int>)

[devout vault]

(Sure wish C# had typedef right about now...)

[leaden marsh]

What about that weird using syntax, does that work

[devout vault]

...I forgot about that

[cinder karma]

class ShortName: Your<Fun<Generic, Whee>>> ?

[leaden marsh]

Good workaround for generics

[devout vault]

At this point I'm just whining not looking for an actual solution, since I think I'm done referencing the crazy type directly

[devout vault]

The authenticity level has been reduced thanks to getting nonsense for source file filenames no matter what I do

Everything comes from ???.cs, have fun

[devout vault]

The life of a Pathoscat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8tTdU-BJ6g

@cinder karma @leaden marsh @rain apex Since y'all contributed idea wise I'm pinging you too

(I am very tempted to abuse the "showcase" thing so it reaches a wider audience.)

(But I must sleep, I was tired over 3 hours ago)

[cyan shadow]

Whoever designed this job app portal's UI to require choosing years from a dropdown, I have questions and all of them are "Why?"

[thin estuary]

isn't that pretty common

[cyan shadow]

A dropdown that's a list of years starting from 1958 or so is daft, at least use a calendar if you're gonna insist on choosing dates like that

But yeah, got very tedious very quickly due to the sheer number of years I had to input

[crystal wren]

Honestly, I feel like I can count the times I've seen a year input field not be a dropdown on a single hand.

Doesn't make the dropdowns less stupid... but they're everywhere!

[thin estuary]

usually you can also just click the dropdown and type the year manually and your browser will preselect the option

[crystal wren]

Yeah, a good normal dropdown will do that. Then you get the fun ones that are entirely custom creations and not technically a "real" dropdown that don't.

Those are fun!

[safe dragon]

real html dropdowns are terrible honestly

[safe dragon]

you can't search in them very well and on mobile platforms you can't search in them at all

they're fine if there's like 5 choices

[safe dragon]

this would be fun if it's actually 1958 cause that would mean my dad can't enter his bday

[cyan shadow]

It was for work experience, the dob field was manual for some reason

[cyan shadow]

I'd have had less of a problem if it had just preselected when entering the year manually, tbh

[cinder karma]

Nice!!!

[dusty pollen]

yup, they cease and desisted a competitor

who posted the c&d to twitter with a laughing emoji

[dreamy vigil]

AccessViolationException: all hope is lost is an accurate message for those errors.

[crystal wren]

(So, Pathos... are you Pathoscat, or Cattoschild now?)

[cursive sigil]

Is Cattoscat not an option?

[devout vault]

It takes someone who truly understands the modding community to bring real authenticity to something like this

(As authentic as that error happening and the game not immediately crashing is, anyways.)

(shout out to OutOfMemoryException doing the same thing, as well as "Mod crashed on entry and might not work correctly" being able to happen at any point andnot just the beginning)

re: the caterpillar discussion the other day. I think reddit heard and wants to make me more horrified.
|| https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/carnivorous-bone-collector-caterpillars-wear-corpses-as-camouflage/||

(Please don't combine them with the giant amazon ones...)

[supple ether]

Need an AbandonAllHopeException for when things are truly fucked

[safe dragon]

an exception beyond exceptions

[supple ether]

It can be helpfully abbreviated as AAH

[devout vault]

I'm not sure if it's more appropriate for that to be the one exception that crashes (or at least permanently freezes) the game, or for the errors to become exponentially faster each time it appears.

Regardless, the video description has a link to the code, so you too can experience losing the light of hope left in your heart. (Plus you can mod it to add your own exceptions! Or just run it on an actual modlist meant for gameplay instead of my dev environment that's 90% my mods)

[marble jewel]

Waiting for the Nexus Mods Collection - "Knick Knack KittyCat Pack, give a mod a home"

[rain apex]

ShrugIDunnoException

[devout vault]

"give a mod a home" sounds more like a horror story where I'm given a bunch of abandoned mods to maintain by myself.

Or, alternatively, a wish fulfillment fantasy where I get to make whatever mods I want with no limits - basically what I do during modding phases already I guess - but I get to hoist them onto someone else to maintain once I'm finished

[marble jewel]

Why would you do this to Pathos?

[devout vault]

I didn’t specify it had to be Pathos.

Maybe I’m gonna drag atra back into modding by force. Or maybe you’ll be stuck with my maintenance woes

[marble jewel]

Maybe it'll be supported by an organization - the Kitty Cat Collective

[supple ether]

Not me shoveling my own old mods into the recycling bin /jk

Every day I get more tempted to just delete them

Sorry warp network but hhd is my new favorite child

[devout vault]

I’ve definitely recycled some mods given how they transform or merge+get split at times.

Most just waste away in an untouched folder in the git repo, though

[devout vault]

Is warp network the one that lets you do multiple warp statues and not just limited to Farm?

[devout vault]

I’m not gonna pretend I want the kind of responsibility that comes with managing an organization

[supple ether]

No, it's the old 1.5 mod that let you use the warp statues as a fast travel system

[rain apex]

See the benefit of single repo is that i don't have to keep all me mods cloned

[marble jewel]

You don't need to manage it if it's "decentralized"

Democratize your mods for the greater good

[devout vault]

Logically separate repos makes the most sense for sure. But for convenience mono repos sure does win

Or you could do a hybrid with some of the worst parts of both like I did before pathos merged all mine into one repo

[marble jewel]

My mods are now poly repos, and I use submodules to share my "common" project

[supple ether]

Im going to keep using separate repos

[devout vault]

See: https://github.com/spacechase0/StardewModsSolution

[devout vault]

I kinda hate git submodules.

Never used them, still hate them for some reason

[crystal wren]

I really love the concept, but they're a pain.

[marble jewel]

Maybe it's my tooling, but it's all pretty seamless to me

[crystal wren]

And just like that, we have almost every spot on the spectrum of submodule tastes represented.

[devout vault]

I probably would if I only had a few mods (though to be fair I didn’t update many to 1.6), and also if SpaceShared wasn’t a thing

[devout vault]

Like I said I’ve never actually tried them. Also I stubbornly use git command line only

[crystal wren]

I think they're arguably easier to use in the terminal...

[marble jewel]

We still need someone to say "what are submodules?"

[devout vault]

Repos with submodules certainly confuse those people when they clone them

[rain apex]

Teach us your secrets

Specifically idk best way of having 2 cloned repos that use same submodule

[marble jewel]

Secretly, they're my way of gatekeeping - "must be this git-savvy to build my mods"

[rain apex]

Atm im doing some dum thing where i push from one side and pull the other

[marble jewel]

My submodules have the added complexity of each project using symlinks to files in the submodule

[devout vault]

Clever, but not so secret now, huh

[devout vault]

Symlinks scare me because I've never taken the time to understand the different kinds

[rain apex]

Wdym different kinds

[marble jewel]

Still, in VS at least when I clone, I pretty much get exactly what I expect

[rain apex]

Symlink is just a lil file with a path that the fs looks at and follow

[devout vault]

Only time I've ever consciously used them was several computers ago, when my programming folder was on my desktop and so had spaces in the path (because windows user directory). And things were much worse about spaces in paths back then, so I did a symlink at the root of my drive that resolved to the programming folder

[marble jewel]

I even wrote a script to create new projects that use my submodule so that I can have everything setup the way I want automatically

[supple ether]

There's symlinks and junctions on windows and Linux, and they work differently on both. Windows also has hard links and I have no idea what those are

[marble jewel]

As opposed to the soft variety?

[devout vault]

From a quick google, hard links still work when you delete the original target

[supple ether]

As opposed to the symbolic variety

[rain apex]

Linux has hard links too tho

[marble jewel]

I recall one of the link types on windows is unable to navigate across network paths or drives

[devout vault]

They're like an synonym for the address of the file rather than a redirect I guess?

[supple ether]

Junctions

[rain apex]

But yeah idk what a windows fs is

[supple ether]

That's why you need admin to create symbolic links but not junctions on windows

[rain apex]

I understand hard link on linux to be 2 paths that have the same inode number

[supple ether]

Because symbolic links can point to network paths on windows which opens up all kinds of horrible vulnerabilities

[marble jewel]

I also automate symlinks to create different mod groups for each of my projects so that I can have a specific loadout for testing

Now I'm getting too on-topic, I realize

[pliant snow]

I thought linux hardlinks were something it supports but you really shouldn't use

[supple ether]

I used to use symbolic links for minecraft launcher frankensteining but now prismlauncher has better modpack management tools so I don't need to do that any more

[devout vault]

Okay, problem with this: I want a more fantasy-ish vibe, rather than a sci-fi-ish vibe.

Maybe I can have the robot mysteriously transported to a fantasy-like world or something, I guess

[marble jewel]

What if it was a person who died and was reborn as a robot in a fantasy world

Has that Isekai been done?

[devout vault]

...does the vending machine isekai count

(That anime was way better than it had any right to be)

[marble jewel]

That probably counts

[cinder karma]

Replace robot parts with magical fantasy body parts

[devout vault]

Maybe a golem?

Of course the goal is still "simple to pixel", and I feel like I can get away with a literal cube more easily with a robot than a golem

[marble jewel]

You can get away with anything being a cube if you do "simple to voxel"

[devout vault]

(Speaking of vending machine isekai, season 2 is supposedly one of the summer anime this year, so that'll be fun.)

(I feel like there's a lot more summer anime that I'll like compared to this spring season, which there are like 4-6 series I'm watching total. Last season there was at least one a day I was watching, with an average being 2 a day. But this season there's 2-3 days of the week where I don't watch any of the shows with new episodes)

[marble jewel]

I'm a binge-watcher, so I tend to start shows after the season has fully aired

[devout vault]

I like binging but my attention span doesn't usually last for a full season

Still sometimes binge not currently broadcasting stuff though

I've also noticed that I don't retain details for stuff I binge as well as I do with weekly releases (not just shows - webcomics too)

[marble jewel]

Part of me misses the ritual of having shows air at a specific day/time and making that a weekly event

Like, I have fond memories of saturday morning cartoons growing up

[devout vault]

I enjoy it since there are streaming services so I don't have to watch it at the exact time

Can watch later in the day or something

[marble jewel]

Having so much instant gratification has changed our brains

[cinder karma]

I'm a weird type of binge watcher. I put on YouTube in the background and then don't pay attention it

Then I come back 8hr later to that tab and it's playing some video of a girl working on a coffeehouse or smth

[devout vault]

Excuse you, my brain is just naturally messed up like that

[sand frost]

I have trouble keeping up with weekly habits

[devout vault]

I have trouble with almost any habit. But somehow regularly scheduled fiction releases work (as long as they aren't more than a week apart or something, if it's a monthly release I probably will forget)

[sand frost]

I only remember when I’m watching/reading with someone else

Like there’s a web fiction that releases about once a week that my fiancé and I read and then discuss, so we remind each other when it comes out

Or we used to watch GBBO weekly

Maybe I’ll resubscribe to watch it again

[supple ether]

That's part of why I love web fiction

[dusty pollen]

did you watch the version that they had to cgi replace every instance of the words “bake off” with “baking show”?

(aka the US version)

[supple ether]

There's one story I follow that posts twice weekly and another that posts I've a week and honestly it keeps me going

[dusty pollen]

there’s even a captain disillusionment vid about how they did the cgi on the trophy haha

[dusty pollen]

which ones?

I keep track of mine using a custom widget on my ipad that I set up to be super flexible for adding new comics to, but I just have xkcd and questionable content right now

[worn remnant]

oh i remember seeing the trophy and thinking "surely that's just fixed in post"

[dusty pollen]

it is, but they did a super thorough job apparently!

widgets

[worn remnant]

(it's so eternally dumb that they can't call it "bake off" in the US because pillsbury has a trademark on that dating back to like 1932 or whatever)

[dusty pollen]

absolutely

why are these generic trademarks even allowed?

do you think we can summon quill just by talking about ip law

[worn remnant]

in fairness to the trademark regime (you do not, in any circumstances, etc.), the trademark is about baking contests specifically so it's actually very applicable

[supple ether]

"Matabar" and "No Need for a Fairy Godmother: A Parent's Guide to Raising Gifted Teens".

The second being a sequel to the mush-easier-to-type "Cross the Rubicon: Choices"

[worn remnant]

but like, pillsbury, surely you could have asked for a reasonable fee (i assume they wanted more than BBC was willing to pay, or flatly refused) and more people could be aware of your dumb trademark?

[dusty pollen]

I used to really like one called Olympus Overdrive but it was abandoned luckily not only is it archived on the wayback machine, but it even managed to archive the interactive panels!

iirc pillsbury didn’t even say anything, it was a precaution? but I could be wrong

[supple ether]

Questionable Content I tried to get into but the start is really rough

At some point I will try again

Also I really need to catch up on egs

[dusty pollen]

yeah, the start is from 2003 and his style has improved just a tiny bit

it’s been running continuously daily since 2003 though which is impressive

[supple ether]

Oh yeah

I've been generally aware of it since like 2010 I've just been reading other things

[dusty pollen]

honestly though jeph jacques himself says not to start at the beginning iirc

[supple ether]

For a while I was really into twokinds

[worn remnant]

(aside: jeph is the guy who did the walmart.horse gag, which i respect and miss dearly)

[dusty pollen]

there’s 5000+ strips and I’d say at the very least you can probably skip the first 1000 lmao

was that one of his collection of joke urls

he had a lot

[worn remnant]

yeah. just a picture of a walmart with a doofy horse in front of it. incredible energy

[dusty pollen]

sounds like him

didn't ass.butt or something similar redirect to qc itself for a while

[sand frost]

huhhh I had no idea

[worn remnant]

ugh why did i come in here to get distracted. i have sprites to make

[devout vault]

I've mentioned it before but I'm subscribed to way too many webtoon series at this point.

[supple ether]

Honestly it's kinda hard to find good stuff on webtoon

There's only one I follow that's still posting (not finished/abandoned)

Hiveworks has some good stuff, though it's been a minute since I've checked to see what's new

[devout vault]

To be fair I don't necessarily care about it being good, just needs to be entertaining enough for me to check in with each week

[marble jewel]

i.e. Webtoon junk food

[devout vault]

When I say "way too many", I mean I just counted how many have updated within the past 7 days on my subscription list and there are about 110 (excluding ones on hiatus, including maybe 5-7 or so that I haven't really kept up with but need to get back into)

And yes, I get some of the similar ones confused occasionally

Like confusing plot points between the two

At leasty when I first binge them, as I get used to the weekly flow of each one that becomes less of an issue

[devout vault]

Kinda ties into this

[devout vault]

And it's not just webtoon, I'm a glutton for fantasy trash

[grave meteor]

I can't go that far

I don't have the love for such things I wish I did tho

[devout vault]

Anime, books, etc. (though with books I haven't read too many lately, still have a big list of series I want to look into though)

[grave meteor]

I'm dead ass scared to write romance for my mod

[devout vault]

On a similar note, I can't recall what I was doing before I counted my recent webtoon update list. My firefox windows last active tab aren't what I'm thinking of either

I can definitely enjoy romance but it's not a big draw for me.

Unless it's lesbians, which for some inexplicable reason (and totally not just because I'm a lesbian) amps up the interest factor a lot. Though still prefer them in fantasy settings

[cinder karma]

My weekly habits are either engraved in stone

Or might as well not exist

I think it's the other part of my brain break tbh

I hate disturbances from my routine

Ie, Wednesday is now swimming. Sundays I go to zumba and I'm mad if I have to go to Saturday Zumba

Meanwhile I'm very bad at remembering to check my car tire pressure lol

(You can see the absurd rigidity come up in other places. For example - our local grocery stores stopped selling frozen collard greens. They still sell frozen spinach and fresh collard greens. Either is a valid substitute. I went to....so far five different groceries looking for the specific ingredient.)

[dusty pollen]

-# pssst if you haven’t read questionable content yet, you should

-# also his short scifi webcomic he released a while back

qc used to have heterosexuals. past tense /lh

[grave meteor]

in severance I am obsessed with the old gay men and their will they wont they

[dusty pollen]

uhh

idk enough about severance to know if you‘re being literal

[grave meteor]

im being literal

https://tenor.com/view/holding-hands-severance-john-turturro-christopher-walken-irving-b-gif-5359818322112193004

Ive never been so invested in a romantic plotline

[untold gulch]

Not really appropriate methinks.

[grave meteor]

gay men arent?

[waxen cliff]

nsfw content

[untold gulch]

Not that.

The nsfw...yeah

[grave meteor]

im confused can you please clarify?

OMG IM STUPID

[devout vault]

..5570 pages currently? That's a lot.

The about page seems interesting enough to check out at least, I'll add it to my fiction backlog.

[grave meteor]

that was not meant to be like that I meant his plotline lmfao

[dusty pollen]

jeez I keep hitting my enter key by accident

but that’s why I asked if you meant it literally I was confused where that came from

[untold gulch]

Please follow server rules. That's all.

[grave meteor]

I didnt mean to say that

I just struggle with typing im sorry

I forgot a comma ☠️ 😭

[dusty pollen]

don’t start at the beginning, it was definitely not as good back then haha. But I also recommend his scifi novella webcomic thing! I’ll find a link in a sec, it’s much shorter and I’m pretty sure you’ll like it

[supple ether]

Saaaame

[devout vault]

It did say on the about page to maybe start at 3500. But that's still a lot

[dusty pollen]

https://www.questionablecontent.net/alice1.html

both of you will like this one I think, it’s about 200 pages and it’s fantastic iirc

[fleet wren]

huh, I used to read QC back in the days (2014-ish)

all I remember is the funi windows robot

[dusty pollen]

yesss

||he has a proper body now||

[devout vault]

"Get me away from her! She tried to kill me!"
"YOU TRIED TO BLOW ME UP."

You know, I'm not sure the black haired woman(?) is being entirely reasonable

"YOU RUINED MY LIFE FOR A VACATION"
"Hey, that makes me sound like a jerk! I demand an apology!"

Okay, thanks for confirming that neither of them are reasonable, I was only 90% certain so far.

[devout vault]

Setting is very interesting but seemingly not enough to capture my struggling attention span at the moment. To the backlog it also goes!

(Maybe if there was more blatantly fantasy it would've crossed the threshold? Who knos)

[dusty pollen]

counterpoint: you are about a quarter of the way through and not to spoil anything but… lesbians

[devout vault]

Quarter of the way through? I thought you said 200 pages?

[dusty pollen]

yeah, you got to about page 50 I think

[devout vault]

Ahhhhh

[dusty pollen]

each scroll-y html page is 50 pages

[devout vault]

In that case I might can manage it now, I thought it was 200 pages of the length of that page

[dusty pollen]

oh no

[devout vault]

Admittedly I was confused by the "51-100 -->" link at the bottom for the next page

Why is this just like a page that's purely image compilation and not a normal website though

This dialogue is great. Definitely will need to check out the main series at some point

[dusty pollen]

It was initially hosted somewhere else I think, and his main website still uses the same php system it’s been using for years… I think this was just the easiest thing for him

[grave meteor]

does anyone here care in any sense about lagrangian duals? I am feeling out some dialog options and would love to brainstorm w someone

[devout vault]

googles, sees complex math things

's brain shuts down

[grave meteor]

reasonable

[devout vault]

I thought it was gonna be space related because of vague recollections of lagrange points from Kerbal Space Program. And while presumably related, pure math = brain short circuit

[grave meteor]

its used in optimization for non convex optimization

irs quite applied

[cinder karma]

(I know what a lagrangian is)

(But it's been years)

[grave meteor]

I just really like duals

[devout vault]

(the link irocendar posted) ||"Peanut butter! The secret of my longevity!" followed by him later saying he hates peanut butter is amazing||

[grave meteor]

I enjoy catagory theory

and I enjoy the applications of it

I just want to make a fun lagrangian problem

[devout vault]

I have been deceived. Where are the lesbians? (I guess probably Alice and ||Sedna||, but that doesn't count since it's basically all in the past and barely touched on.)

Fun story though

[grave meteor]

tsk tsk

[dusty pollen]

I remembered there being more than there is

[cursive sigil]

you've made your own headcanon

[dusty pollen]

I mean like Casey said it's canon, but I definitely remembered there being an actual scene between them

[devout vault]

Got me thinking it was like in TOH when it was more like the end of Korra 😔

(No shade to Korra, it was a different time and they likely couldn't have shown anything directly for that reason thanks to corporate censorship)

[dusty pollen]

it's not quite as annoying as korra was tbf, at least they explicitly mention the possibility that they're a couple in this one

but I definitely remember it being made explicit, possibly because actual QC does not shy from these things lmao

[devout vault]

But it's much closer to Korra level than TOH level 😛

[dusty pollen]

I don't think I know what toh is in this case

[devout vault]

The Owl House

[dusty pollen]

oh, never watched it but you'll like QC

[devout vault]

Have you heard of the "dress up and travel together" meme?

[dusty pollen]

actual, confirmed, happy, in love lesbians (also robots! and a lesbian robot!)

[devout vault]

It originated from a translation specific censor for a scene where ||Luz and Amity officially get together||

[dusty pollen]

oh, historians confirming they're besties

[devout vault]

I'm not sure this quite qualifies as historians, but yes

Keep in mind that ||Amity is very clearly a frequent victim of lesbian panic and likes Luz, Luz explicitly says she likes Amity (at least in English version) in that episode, and that whole part of the episode was another character trying to get the two together (including getting them to go through a "tunnel of love", without either knowing that was happening until it happens)||

Hooty is such a wholesome, terrifying menace

[cinder karma]

I should do more creative writing

[devout vault]

Writing is scary

[cinder karma]

I started planning a short story back in like

March

But never got around to it

Working title is "The Commune"

[devout vault]

Totally don't just have unresolved trauma from a timed writing assignment (as a test sort of thing, not simply homework level) in public school during 4th or 5th grade (can't recall which)

[cinder karma]

It's about a computer scientist who ||raises her kids in a cult to separate them from modern technology||

[cursive sigil]

this caught my attention

[pliant snow]

maybe i should raid0 my two SSDs together....

who is to stop me...

[safe dragon]

hubris

[pliant snow]

they say it speeds them up, and I literally never use one of the two drives

im doing it...

idk any other raid software other than zfs tho

[devout vault]

Raider.io is pretty popular I think.

||I literally googled "world of warcraft raiding software" for this joke. I'm not sorry. The other option was a joke about cockroaches and malware/antiviruses or something||

[devout vault]

(Pathos's avatar is now Pathoscat once again, clearly my totally intentional and secret plot with pathoscat.mp4 was a resounding success)

[pliant snow]

Please, you think you truly can understand the mind of the Pathoscat?

[rain apex]

pathos cat has a great shape

did pathos draw that or someone else?

[devout vault]

I don't understand my brain but I know taking my medicine definitely helps it

Weird comparison? Yes, absolutely. But who cares, all hail pathoscat

[devout vault]

I can't recall for sure but I vaguely recall it being someone else

[cinder karma]

Pathos, who drew Pathoscat?

[devout vault]

I tried searching discord but couldn't find anything. Definitely saw some old names I haven't seen in a while though

Also, I didn't realize Cat finally left the server (and not just the modding channels). I enjoyed seeing them randomly popping into conversations with a single comedic message, not to be seen again for an indeterminate amount of months

[cinder karma]

That channel was so much less serious in 2019

[devout vault]

Back in my day, we had a single channel which encompassed everything modding related, and there were no threads in discord yet. And we liked it! (We didn't, people definitely wanted dedicated development vs support spaces after the first few years)

I remember the days when SMAPI had its own discord server

(I joined the SMAPI one first, and didn't join the SDV one until a bit later)

[pliant snow]

uhhhh there was an event or something where all the junimos changed their icons to cats I think...

[hardy jewel]

(https://picrew.me/ja/image_maker/35494)

Some other staff asked about it the other day so I had it on hand

[devout vault]

...Pathoscat was a picrew all along?????

My entire worldview has been shattered

(To be fair it's a seemingly edited one based on there being no half-and-half pictures there, but it's not hard to make an image using the left half of one and the right half of another)

[devout vault]

I saw something about that when I was searching but wasn't sure if it was the Pathoscat origin, or if it was something else

Like every junimo just changed their picture to a random cat photo

[rain apex]

oh i can make my own kot

[cinder karma]

Let's all do cat pictures

Casey and I already have ours

[devout vault]

Hmm, how much would it take to bribe jade to make it a server rule to have a cat profile picture.... /s

[cinder karma]

Tbh I used to think a chue was a cat

What is that actually

[devout vault]

I was just about to ask the same. I just clicked their profile and was like "wait what is that if not a cat"

[rain apex]

[fleet wren]

lots of cat people here for some reason

fun fact: ||I like dogs more||

[cinder karma]

(Same, actually)

We can be traitors together

My poor departed darling

[devout vault]

This does nothing to explain what they are if not cat. If anything it just points to "supernatural cat with destructive powers like explosive eye lasers"

[pliant snow]

okay actually putting them in RAID0 was actually a great idea, the drives now go brrrr

[devout vault]

All the different RAID types scare me

[pliant snow]

RAID 0 is the "just merge two drives together, fuck it" one

[rain apex]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medjed

[devout vault]

Okay, but like, yours has cat ears. That's a big part of the confusion from someone who has never heard of medjed

But thanks for the explanation

[rain apex]

mine is medjedra from puzzle and dragons

[supple ether]

That's fair, but even then there's not many accounts I have that would be actually useful to anyone, and it's way easier to just use malware or phishing than to get access to the physical drive. If someone is breaking into my house they're gonna steal something actually worth money

Oh yeah I don't have a laptop, I have a desktop

If I had a laptop that wasn't 11 years that I actually took places then I would probably consider it

[devout vault]

I did try to get Integrated Scripting to work with Web Assembly, and got it partially working but because they shadow the VM dependency instead of using the jar-in-jar system, it wouldn't actually run the web assembly function

[supple ether]

Oof

[devout vault]

What makes it worse is they have a three month old branch on their repo where they made it jar-in-jar, but never merged it with any of the other branches, so no releases have it

I want to do programming and not try and do super complex things with the variable cards, but I don't want to deal with JavaScript

The MC mod idea I'm most leaning towards doing right now is another Integrated Dynamics addon, and it's kinda crazy (and honestly I might not do it if Integrated Scripting didn't exist, since just doing what I want gameplay-wise with just variable cards would be crazy)

[supple ether]

Integrated Dynamics is so cool, genuinely. I struggle to understand it, though, mostly because I find it hard to wrap my head around the concept of currying

[devout vault]

Yeah, I haven't even actually played with it in a playthrough but love it

[cinder karma]

What's integrated dynamics

I smell haskell

[rain apex]

curry my beloved

[devout vault]

It's an automation-adjacent mod for Minecraft that is very much like functional programming (as far as using it goes)

https://www.curseforge.com/minecraft/mc-mods/integrated-dynamics

[rain apex]

but what is it doing in a minecraft

[supple ether]

It's a logistical programming mod for minecraft where you can use items and blocks to create programs that operate on the game world

[rain apex]

wow pwoerful

[devout vault]

It's not as simplistic to use as ComputerCraft, either

[supple ether]

It's extremely powerful but also infamously difficult to use

[cinder karma]

Curry my beloved too ||we are talking about food right||

[rain apex]

why there there multiple programming mods for mc...

[rain apex]

why not both

[devout vault]

It's infamously difficult to use?

Some of the variable stuff did seem a little cumbersome when I was testing the web assembly thing...

[devout vault]

Because us programmers are insufferable and must have it as a part of everything

[supple ether]

Why are there multiple digital storage mods?

Minecraft is the land of many cakes

[devout vault]

Ain't that the truth

(it certainly helps that AE got much more complicated with version 2)

[supple ether]

How many forks of waila are there now?

[rain apex]

what is that mc mod that let u build machines that swing around blocks

[supple ether]

Create!

Imo the best mod on modern versions

[devout vault]

I kinda want something like AE/RS/etc. storage terminals but not "given" to me if that makes sense? Like having to build out the interface myself. Sounds crazy but feels like it would be more rewarding. But I don't want it to be as granular as coding an actual MC interface

I'm not sure if you can make menus that dynamic as far as item slots though

[supple ether]

Though when it first came out x it was literally impossible to search for because "create mod Minecraft" just brought up tutorials

[devout vault]

I kinda have create fatigue despite barely touching it.... I like the more traditional approach for tech mods I guess.

For magic mods I love the multiblock stuff though

Same way I am about Twilight Forest, really

[supple ether]

That would be really cool. I could see something like that as a cc addon

[supple ether]

I really wanna try out Spectrum but haven't gotten around to it yet

[devout vault]

Technically I had a mod like this a long time ago (or more like a prototype), but it was more about moving bases (like Valkyrie Skies 2, and older mods of the same concept) than machines

And it was very much a prototype

[rain apex]

[supple ether]

That's fair, I just like it because it gives me many ways to do a thing and it feels like I'm actually making stuff and not just plonking down a magic box.

[devout vault]

Around the same time I did this mod: https://spacechase0.com/mods/minecraft/outdated/chunk-in-a-jar

(Which there are mods for doing things like this now, but back then it was very much groundbreaking... but I wasn't popular enough that anyone knew about it)

[devout vault]

Same reason I like the idea of ID and the making terminals thing I mentioned earlier I guess

I'm not sure what it is about Create that I'm fatigued of

Doesn't help that I really only played the early versions

(And even then not very much)

Like, the create aesthetic is great. But for gameplay it just isn't quite what I want

[devout vault]

I don't wanna do CC 😛 Especially since it can't persist across chunk reloading, unlike the good old OpenComputers

[devout vault]

ME TOO, I've been eyeing that mod literally for weeks. (You can ask DH.)

I added it to ATM9 recently and have been meaning to play but still haven't yet

(Using sinytra connector of course)

DH and I were talking about playing on a server together until we realized that the whole timezone thing would make things difficult with how different ours are

[supple ether]

Blessed be our lord and savior sinytra connector

[devout vault]

This is the modpack I set up that I still need to play:

All the Mods 9 - v1.0.8

removed:
curios api (covered by an accessories bridge mod later)

added:

sinytra connector
forgified fabric api
connector extras

accessories
accessories 
trinkets compat layer for accessories

grappling hook mod
hookshot
gliders
integrated scripting

added (fabric, you'll need to turn on "fabric" as being allowed in the filters section):
curios compat layer for accessories
revelationary
modonomicon (I installed the fabric version since it's only used for spectrum)
spectrum
spectrum jetpacks
cosmetica

I got in game and browsed the quest book but didn't actually play

(also a lot of those fabric mods are just deps for spectrum, prism didn't auto download them for some reason)

I kinda want to make the fundamental features of my other ID addon (and maybe the web assembly addon for IS) before I play, but that would be a lot of work (especially if I go the C# route like I want to)

[supple ether]

I've been alternating between atm10 plain edition and a fabrix/forge gigapack I put together for 1.20

[devout vault]

I used to just throw mods together in my own modpack to play, but I like mods being integrated together well, as well as not having the same ore 5 times

Even with the ore dictionary

[supple ether]

It checks against the current modloader IIRC so it can't get mod info for fabric mods if you're using connector

[devout vault]

Each type takes its own slot, no thanks

[devout vault]

But I explicitly added fabric to the allowed modloaders list in the mod browser when getting stuff 😦

I get it

But it could be better 😛

[supple ether]

You can install AllTheCompatibility to get rid of most duplicates

The atm compat stuff isn't a script it's its own mod

[devout vault]

Hmm, interesting

There's still the integration outside of duplicates though

[supple ether]

True

That's a big reason why I miss enigmatica

[devout vault]

Cosmetica is solely because I saw I could put a cat on my shoulder and wanted it: https://cosmetica.cc/user/kittycatcasey (no paid stuff with that mod, that's why I chose it over Essentials or similar mods)

[supple ether]

Awwww

[devout vault]

The old expert mode modpacks? Yeah, I remember loving and finishing agrarian skies 1, and got a fair bit into 2 as well

[supple ether]

OH have you looked at figura? That's obviously more advanced, but it seems very cool

[devout vault]

I tried going back at one point but even with 2 there's a lot of missing QoL features compared to modern minecraft

[devout vault]

Yeah, but then I have to make the cosmetics myself

If I wasn't lazy (and probably playing on a server and not by myself) I might do that

[supple ether]

I tried playing 1.12 again and I didn't realize how much I would miss swimming

[devout vault]

AS1 was on 1.6.x, and so you could only sprint with double-tap-forward and not a separate button.

[supple ether]

Slow-walking through water is so bad how did I ever stand it

[supple ether]

Eurgh.
1.6.4 may have been a golden age of modding but boy did it age poorly otherwise.

[devout vault]

Just looked at my old MC mods (https://spacechase0.com/mods/minecraft/outdated/) and see one I don't know of a modern equivalent for, guess I'm adding that to my list

(Biome Wand)

Also it looks like a mod or two is missing from there, like my working sponges mod

[devout vault]

Personally I think of 1.7.10 as that, but yeah

[supple ether]

Evilcraft has a thing for changing biomes

[devout vault]

1.6.x and 1.7.x are when I did the vast majority of my modding

[devout vault]

What if I don't want to be evil

[supple ether]

Too bad >:)

[devout vault]

smh

I'll play Blood Magic, but Evilcraft is too far /s

[supple ether]

Yeah I remember when ftb infinity cane out and it felt like a whole new generation of modding

[devout vault]

(AS1 or 2 was my first time with Blood Magic, it was fun)

[supple ether]

I miss thaumcraft but I also really miss essentialcraft

Maybe one day I will try to rewrite it but god it has so many vfx and those are probably going to be hell to port

[devout vault]

Thaumcraft was great (but which version?), don't recall essentialcraft

Porting thaumcraft? I think technically the thermal team has "rights" for that

[supple ether]

No I meant essentialcraft

[devout vault]

Ah

In general I would think VFX would be easier to port than... literally everything else, given how much everything changes each major MC update (and lately, in some minor updates)

Like they completely changed how item data works in 1.20.5 I think

https://minecraft.wiki/w/Data_component_format

I know world gen has changed a lot multiple times

Plus the shift from the way blocks/tile entities used to work, compared to now

(I think that might've been 1.8, and why I finally got fed up with updating mods?)

Also, I have to ask - am I the only one who thinks the typical guidebook system MC mods use kinda... sucks?

It certainly doesn't help that the default MC font is kinda painful to read for large amounts of text

Not like Thaumcraft

[supple ether]

Well most of it was pretty straightforward stuff with TEs and some basic oregen and multiblocks and stuff. I wouldn't do a straight port, but I think a rewrite might not be too challenging.

The vfx though mostly used raw rendering not connected to specific entities, which I suspect would be a PITA to write in a way that plays nice with modern rendering pipelines

[devout vault]

I mean like Tinker's Construct, Botania, ID, etc.

It's just... ugh, I dunno, I just hate the way most mod guidebooks are

[supple ether]

Yeeeeaaah

[devout vault]

They're too much like an actual book rather than a convenient in game documentation source?

[supple ether]

Not thrilled about how patchouli has become the standard

[devout vault]

Like, go to a specific page in a chapter, and have to click several times to go to the ToC and find something else, etc.

Like, I made this back in 1.6.x, and I feel like it's better than the main thing people do now

Because I can switch topics very easily

(This was from my modular equipment mod - did you know I made bows and armor before Tinker's Construct did? 😛 Admittedly my armor implementation really sucked)

[supple ether]

Ponder I think is a solid way to do it, but it's not really suited well to nonvisual detailed information

[supple ether]

I did! I'm pretty sure I used that mod back when

[devout vault]

I haven't played with recent Create, but is there a way to browse everything easily, rather than find a specific item and reference it? (even if you can do that through JEI or whatever the current is)

[devout vault]

...........wat

Like

Actually

WAT

Practically nobody used my mods

(It always made me sad seeing week-old topics on the minecraft forums having more views and posts than my many months old one 😛 )

[supple ether]

I remember being surprised when I saw I you doing stardew mods bc I remembered your name from old-school mc modding

[devout vault]

Amazing

I guess I remember feeling similar when Shockah was around (did he do MC or Terraria, or both? can't recall), and when MercuriousXeno was around for a bit

[supple ether]

Sort of, but it's not very convenient. There's an index for everything but you can only access it by default through a button on the pause menu.

[devout vault]

The only time I ever recall being spotted "in the wild" was someone saying hi on Hypixel 😛 (this was pre-EULA changes)

[devout vault]

Mod authors, please design things to make me want to use your mods.

(I say, as if most of my SDV mods aren't barely documented)

(Though to be fair I was planning on documenting anything I made substantially-sized, like MMR)

[supple ether]

Yeah! Shockahpi in the modloader days, when mp was still a clusterfuck.

Don't remember what else he made

[devout vault]

Do you mean in MC? Seeing as you mention the MP nonsense

[supple ether]

Yeah mc

[devout vault]

I only see the Terraria stuff on his github

But to be fair I'm not sure Github was around back then

Or git, even

Component Equipment was definitely my favorite of my MC mods, probably followed by Useful Pets.

Both of them are inspired by other mods 😂
(CE = Tinker's Construct but me wanting enchants not their system, UP = Doggy Talents, for presumably obvious reasons for anyone who has been around me long enough)

[supple ether]

Oh right it was an aether dependency, that's why I remember it

[devout vault]

Ahhhhhhh

[devout vault]

Yeah people usually don't remember frameworks 😅

[devout vault]

Okay well before it was popular, how's that? 😛

[cinder karma]

I don't recall a before git era tbh

[supple ether]

When was github made

[devout vault]

I used svn for literally one project, for a few months before I turned 13 I think?

[supple ether]

2008 according to Wikipedia

[devout vault]

I remember because that project was a group project game with some old C++ friends, and for my birthday my parents got me the obscure handheld game console we made it for

(And I had no idea they were getting it for me)

This game: https://spacechase0.com/games/warehouse-panic/

(I really need to finish my new site....)

[supple ether]

Aw, that's fun

[devout vault]

This is the obscure handheld console: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X_Wiz

I still have it somwhere around here, no idea if it still works though

Honestly kinda a great console for it's time, especially if it was more mainstream and therefore had more games for it

But that wouldn't be likely since it was Linux and so people could get the files and stuff easily

(The old project was on google code, RIP)

[cinder karma]

Isn't a steam deck linux

[devout vault]

Yep

[cinder karma]

Eh, modding is a hobby

I don't see more users as a plus anymore

[devout vault]

Oh, I was just being an entitled whiny brat. I'm not sincerely demanding they do that

[cinder karma]

(I meant your lack of desire to do documentation:P)

[devout vault]

Ah, yeah. I kinda get that, but at the same time it's not a great feeling for the smallest of mods to get more attention than all of yours which have a way more effort put into it (and content)

Like for CE, the initial release was August 2013 and the last update was March 2015

[cinder karma]

You can guess I don't have the patience to do tech support

[supple ether]

Yeah, it's hard to pour your heart and soul into something and not have people care. Especially when things of questionable quality become wildly popular

I imagine it's something lots of indie devs face as well

[devout vault]

CE also had my favorite of literally any quiver implementation I've seen in Minecraft to this day.

"Trinkets" type mods didn't exist back then, so you still had a quiver item in your inventory. But you filled it with arrows like you would backpack mods, and then when you had a (CE) bow selected, it showed the stack totals of all different types of arrows in the quiver above it on the hotbar, and you could ctrl+scroll to switch between them

(I think it was ctrl?)

And of course it'd remember which one you last used when you changed items and back

[supple ether]

I think this is a jacked account, this is the first thing it has posted in 2 years

[supple ether]

That's really cool

[devout vault]

It's vaguely similar to another mod idea I have right now - one which could be very bad for mod incompatibility if not for some tricks I thought of 😅

(That idea is literally the longest of all my current ideas in my minecraft-modideas.txt file though - it's one of the three that have their own file, which has 11,111 characters apparently)

[cinder karma]

Yeah, unpaid volunteer labor can be like that

[devout vault]

(Surprisingly not much a "content" mod despite that)

[cinder karma]

In unrelated, I was poking my nose through an open source verilog parsing lib this morning

And saw that they are now getting AI pull requests 😦

Complete and utter gibberish

[devout vault]

I've heard cURL has had a BIG problem with that, especially regarding reporting vulnerabilities

[cinder karma]

It sucks. Open source is already draining enough

It didn't need AI

[supple ether]

Can't wait for ai generated stardew mo- oh wait

[devout vault]

@supple ether I just looked at this (or Create: Storage, didn't see a "Better" one) and not sure I understand why it's a create mod

[supple ether]

Vaults are a thing from Create. This mod adds additional tiers of them, sorta like the iron chests mod does for vanilla. It's an addon because it's adding a variant of a create block and reusing its code

[cinder karma]

Yeah.

[supple ether]

Oh not Create: Better storage, it's create: Bigger Storage

[cinder karma]

I jokingly said "FIRE" (financial independence, retire early) earlier but yeah. Lots of reasons I'm glad I'm gone

[supple ether]

You could probably make it standalone by copying the relevant code, though

[devout vault]

Didn't realize that item vaults were a thing in vanilla create. Still seems weird though.

[supple ether]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cinder karma]

Vanilla create?

Vanilla a mod?

Pistachio?

[devout vault]

Yes

[supple ether]

Maybe I'll decouple it if it's not too complicated

[devout vault]

Like, "Create" makes me think of mechanical shenanigans. I don't see how a simple item storage block is

It'd be different if it was like, a terminal interface type thing but instead of a single block you set up conveyors to transport items to/from normal containers and such

[supple ether]

That is a thing now in the latest create version

It's very cool

[devout vault]

What's it called? (So I can google and Judge™️ )

(curse you discord, turning :tm: into an emoji now)

[supple ether]

It's a bunch of blocks that work together, you can either look up a spotlight video for the create 6 update, or logistics and the stock ticker.

[devout vault]

...I hate watching video spotlights when I just want to quickly understand something, but this feels like something that might need it...

[regal ingot]

The browser version has done that with the actual ™ character for as long as I can remember. Seemed really stupid the first time I saw it.

but now it doesn't anymore, apparently?

[supple ether]

It makes sense once you see how it works but it's hard to explain how it all fits together in text

[devout vault]

The desktop version at least turns :tm: into the actual unicode character, but now it's doing it into the emoji

I tested with the direct unicode character a day or two ago and that still worked

[supple ether]

I'm gonna go 2 bed before I crash. Have a good night yall

[devout vault]

Noooo I wasn't done rambling about modded minecraft nonsense

(Good night)

[cinder karma]

Enjoy your sleep!

Feel free to keep rambling

I'm going to go to bed miffed that Wikipedia called me old

[devout vault]

Okay this does look really neat (admittedly just from jumping around the video a lot because this person's mic settings sound very tinny or something).

I think it'd be great to have a tech mod which smoothly transitioned you from something like early game Create all the way to more "automatic" things like AE

[supple ether]

YES

That would be the dream

[devout vault]

Like start with conveyor belts or something, then move to the old Buildcraft-style pipes, then move to the more instantaneous stuff like ID, and then move to something more automatic and perhaps wireless. And you'd put all the pieces together yourself in a more "natural" feeling way than suddenly going from chests to storage terminal

[supple ether]

Yeah

[devout vault]

My "final boss" modding idea in my list is a really complex magic mod which has almost no written down ideas (ie. just nebulous concepts in my head), maybe I'll add something like this to that bullet point

Except instead of conveyors and pipes it can be more like Thaumcraft golems or something

The instantaneous stuff could still be contiguous block based to say it needs an arcane path or something

Some of the "shortcuts" I'm thinking of with the magic mod are more along the idea of a mod tying together a bunch of the other mod ideas but with a magical theme

Instead of my current concept which is a nebulous "you should be able to do anything eventually with enough effort" sort of thing

I really like the idea of complex multiblocks you can get creative with, might go that route if I ever do it

(I know that's basically what create does and may be partially what my fatigue is from, but this is magical not mechanical, it's different 😛 )

I do love how create does multiblocks compared to.... basically every other mod though

Cmoplex pieces you put together creatively for interesting results, rather than "a giant fixed-shape machine that you change out blocks for upgrades or minor functionality changes"

[ivory shadow]

Hello #framework-off-topic. I have discovered the use of Easy Effects, and my Framework 16 sounds a little better now. I've heard this is a bigger deal for the 13.

[safe dragon]

easyeffects has been my savior for linux audio for years

I feel like the mic on my framework 13 is either just malfunctioning or genuinely the worst thing ever designed by humanity

I don't plan on ever using the thing in my life but I did test it

[cinder karma]

In this house we love Linux audio

[pliant snow]

My framework 13 I thought the microphone was awful, but just lowering the gain to like 40% helped wonders

[dusty pollen]

I also have a laptop! it isn't a framework or anything, but it's... a laptop... I guess

[safe dragon]

I'm typing on a framework laptop rn

while watching eurovision

[pliant snow]

I'm sorry to hear that

[safe dragon]

it's ok it's only once a year

[pliant snow]

Hows the dutch entrant

[safe dragon]

we're ranked 5th by the bookmakers

we also sent the only non-white contestant in this entire year, which includes any background singers

[cyan shadow]

Wait fr

[safe dragon]

closest we're getting is vaugely middle eastern

[cyan shadow]

I saw the first semifinalists in the spread done by De Volkskrant on Tuesday but I didn't realize there were no POC in the second semi final either

[cyan shadow]

[safe dragon]

eurovision is fun tho

bonding moment

doesn't matter if the performances are shit or not

[pliant snow]

"if"

[safe dragon]

there's always some decent ones

sometimes even good ones

[pliant snow]

eurovision was emboldened early by ABBA but it hasnt quite panned out since then

[safe dragon]

eurovision had actually already been going on for nearly 2 entire decades by the time abba performed

[pliant snow]

oh i thought it started in the 70s

[safe dragon]

1956

same birth year as the apartment I live in

[pliant snow]

it seems like such a 70s thing

[safe dragon]

we were ahead of the trend

[pliant snow]

Basically a historial building

[safe dragon]

it's also my dad's birth year so idk why the apartment was what came to mind

[pliant snow]

coincidence?

[safe dragon]

it's my dad's fault

he's also watching

[cinder karma]

1956 is recentish right

[safe dragon]

yes of course

people from 1956 only recently retired

[wet tendon]

i love when a c# method compiles and works perfectly with either where T : class or where T : struct but doesn't work at all without one of those constraints 🙃 c#'s implementation of T? is so very sane and normal

[safe dragon]

what do you want to achieve

[cinder karma]

Oh, that

[wet tendon]

let's say i'm trying to write

bool Foo<T>(Func<T?> f, int count) where T : IEquatable<T> {
    T? prev = null;
    for (int i = 0; i < count; i++)
    {
        var curr = f();
        if (curr is not null && prev is not null && curr.Equals(prev)) return true;
        prev = curr;
    }
    return false;
}

[dusty pollen]

when we’re reminded that this channel does, in fact, have a topic

[cinder karma]

I don't feel like programming rn

I'll go have a lie down frankly

[wet tendon]

1. i can't assign null to T? becauseT? is considered the same type as T, and T might be a value type which doesn't allow assigning null (???)
2. i can't return null from f if T is a value type because T? is considered the same type as T (???)

[dusty pollen]

hmm, that’s interesting, like it’s completely ignoring the nullable operator for generics?

[wet tendon]

this is because T? is not real at all and is just the compiler lying to you

[rain apex]

i also dont get why i have to use default instead of null to return a null on a T? method...

[wet tendon]

by default, T? is just a lint that hints to the compiler that the value is nullable if T is a reference type. however, *if the compiler knows for certain that T is a value type* then instead T?is implemented asSystem.Nullable<T>`

[safe dragon]

shouldn't you be able to return default instead of null

[wet tendon]

because if you pass int as T itll return 0

[rain apex]

why...

[wet tendon]

because T? is not a type

[safe dragon]

it's syntax sugar for Nullable<T> as far as I know

[dusty pollen]

hmm, interesting

[rain apex]

Big Lang is lying to us

[wet tendon]

T? is exactly the same type as T unless the compiler knows for certain that it's a value type, in which case it's System.Nullable<T>

[pliant snow]

Blang for short

[dusty pollen]

that seems… unideal

[wet tendon]

so unless you put where T : struct, T? is the same type as T

[wet tendon]

yup, it sure is

[safe dragon]

in any case. assigning default should work fine right?

[wet tendon]

nope

[safe dragon]

default on an int? definitely returns null not 0

[wet tendon]

i need to return null from f to signal not to compare values

in my function

[dusty pollen]

could you directly use System.Nullable<T>? or does that only work on value types?

[wet tendon]

System.Nullable<T>, for some unknown unholy reason, requires where T : struct

it doesn't actually use that bound mind you, it just has it for fun

[dusty pollen]

then what does T? do if you feed it a non-struct value type

[wet tendon]

its a malformed type

oh wait

[dusty pollen]

iirc that is possible though I could be imagining things

[wet tendon]

all value types are structs

[safe dragon]

what happens if you have the constraint where T : default?

[dusty pollen]

fair, fair

[wet tendon]

it still doesn't let me return null from f, because the return type of f is secretly just T instead of Nullable<T>

[indigo mist]

@wet tendon You leveled up to Cowpoke. You can now speak in our voice channels and share images in all channels!

[wet tendon]

waow

[pliant snow]

gasp!

[safe dragon]

either I've somehow never run into this issue or I don't understand what's going on

[wet tendon]

the problem is that T? is not a type

[dusty pollen]

this feels like one of those cases where the people who know lots about C# will eventually chime in and say “actually there’s a reason this is the intended behaviour because xyz” but alas I am not one of those people

[safe dragon]

to be fair. I'm trying to watch eurovision at the same time as this so my mind is only half on this

[pliant snow]

actually there's a reason this is the intended behavior

[wet tendon]

if i do this

Foo<int>(() => condition ? 0 : null)
```it will freak out about how `null` is not a valid `int`, despite that the function is supposed to return `T?`

[dusty pollen]

where’s the because xyz aquo. don’t do this to us

[safe dragon]

well yeah that's obviously invalid

[wet tendon]

oh believe me i know this is intended behavior and why it works like this. it's just really dumb

[safe dragon]

I'd be worried if it didn't yell at you for that one

[wet tendon]

why is it obviously invalid? the lambda is supposed to return int?

[safe dragon]

you just defined it to be Foo<int> not Foo<int?>

[dusty pollen]

could you use that lambda in any other context?

[wet tendon]

Foo<int> instantiates Foo<T>(Func<T?>)

so it should be Foo<int>(Func<int?>)

[safe dragon]

oh nevermind I understand what I'm reading now

[wet tendon]

but instead it's instantiated as Foo<int>(Func<int>) because generic T? is the same type as T unless you explicitly bind where T : struct

[dusty pollen]

hmm, am I confused or does this documentation seem to contradict what you said earlier?

[wet tendon]

wdym?

[safe dragon]

if I wasn't watching eurovision I'd mess around for a bit rn cause I feel like this is a perfectly solvable issue but it feels wrong to say anything without actually testing it

[wet tendon]

this is the problem. T? is not a type, it's a weird compiler lint. item #2 here is the problem

if T is a value type, T? is the same value type, not System.Nullable<T>

[dusty pollen]

you said that if T is a reference type, T? is the same as T, and if it’s a value type T? is the same as System.Nullable<T>. This documentation seems to say something very different - if it’s a reference type, T? is T?, and if it’s a value type, T? is T

[wet tendon]

no

[dusty pollen]

yes I think you just said them the wrong way around by accident but that’s what you said

[wet tendon]

if we bind where T : struct, then T? is System.Nullable<T>
if we don't bind that, then T? is T

that's the problem here

[wet tendon]

this documentation is specifically for the case where we aren't binding where T : struct

[dusty pollen]

hmm I see now

but I also see why it is the way that it is, because valueType? and referenceType? are actually two completely different things

[safe dragon]

I wish I had the opportunity to mess around with it but I'm actually curious... does method overloading work where 1 has a constraint of where T : struct and another T : class

[wet tendon]

this is because T? by default is just a compiler lint that the value might be uninitialized, but if you bind where T : struct (or explicitly use it on a value type, e.g. int?) then it uses System.Nullable<T> instead

[dusty pollen]

I was just about to ask that

[wet tendon]

i think it does lol, but i can't exactly define one of them in terms of the other, so i'd have to duplicate the body

[safe dragon]

I feel like the answer is going to be no

[pliant snow]

yes

[dusty pollen]

you could define a single private method they both refer to using two type parameters, S and T, where S is just T?

[wet tendon]

hmmm perhaps

[dusty pollen]

so PrivateFoo<U,V> would be called by Foo<T> as PrivateFoo<T,T?>

[safe dragon]

nasty workaround hours

[wet tendon]

for now i'm just putting where T : struct because i don't think i need to use this function with a reference type yet

[dusty pollen]

even better

[wet tendon]

i wish c# were a real programming language

then i could just use Option<T> or something

[pliant snow]

Java looms around the corner

[wet tendon]

java is even less of a real programming language

im talking haskell

[dusty pollen]

may I suggest scala? it isn’t any better it will just make you grateful for C#

and it’s great for fans of haskell!

[wet tendon]

lmao

[dusty pollen]

(it’s an unholy cross between haskell and java, for anyone curious)

ngl once you brought up Option I was worried you already liked scala

[pliant snow]

I think Swift is like 50% just Option statements

[dusty pollen]

I always forget how Option and Maybe work. are they the same thing

[pliant snow]

Maybe

[wet tendon]

honestly at this point i'd take either

[dusty pollen]

wait no, haskell syntax is definitely Maybe, not Option

now I can’t remember where Option comes from

[safe dragon]

Option<T> in every language I've seen it is frankly just a better Nullable<T> abomination

[wet tendon]

i am in love with rust and hold a strong aesthetic appreciation for haskell

[safe dragon]

I'm a hater for haskell point-free/tacit-free/pointless programming

[dusty pollen]

I was going to say, I see rust uses Option and you call yourself a haskell fan, smh my head /lh

[dusty pollen]

having a point is a side effect and therefore not true functional programming

[wet tendon]

i am under no illusions that haskell is not even more of a "real programming language" than rust, but unfortunately i cannot shake the hold that rustc has on my heart

she is so beautiful.....

[dusty pollen]

haskell is my favourite crime against humanity

I once caused a kernel panic with haskell in the middle of a lecture, 10/10 would run the code the lecturer explicitly tells us not to run again

[pliant snow]

List of real programming languages

• Lua
• Others, probably

[safe dragon]

there's also LISP

[pliant snow]

I don't think that's a real thing

[wet tendon]

rust is beautiful because you can write these https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/blob/master/tests/ui/weird-exprs.rs btw

i love weird-exprs.rs

[pliant snow]

always a good start

[wet tendon]

lollll yea

fn semisemisemisemisemi() {
    ;;;;;;; ;;;;;;; ;;;    ;;; ;;
    ;;      ;;      ;;;;  ;;;; ;;
    ;;;;;;; ;;;;;   ;; ;;;; ;; ;;
         ;; ;;      ;;  ;;  ;; ;;
    ;;;;;;; ;;;;;;; ;;      ;; ;;
}

fn punch_card() -> impl std::fmt::Debug {
    ..=..=.. ..    .. .. .. ..    .. .. .. ..    .. .. .. ..
    ..=.. ..=..    .. .. .. ..    .. .. .. ..    .. ..=.. ..
    ..=.. ..=..    ..=.. ..=..    .. ..=..=..    ..=..=..=..
    ..=..=.. ..    ..=.. ..=..    ..=.. .. ..    .. ..=.. ..
    ..=.. ..=..    ..=.. ..=..    .. ..=.. ..    .. ..=.. ..
    ..=.. ..=..    ..=.. ..=..    .. .. ..=..    .. ..=.. ..
    ..=.. ..=..    .. ..=..=..    ..=..=.. ..    .. ..=..=..
}

these are wonderful

i love how all this code is in the official rust github repo

[devout vault]

Oh look, a bunch of actually on-topic-for-off-topic-channel stuff that I don't have the attention span to backread

(Meanwhile I just typed up a long notepad file of ideas for a potential programming language which is basically just "C# plus some things minus some things")

(It's longer than my longest MC mod idea file (11k characters) - almost 16k characters, and of course only detailing the differences from C#)

[wet tendon]

maybe i should write mods in a different .net language im fed up w c#

[devout vault]

C# my beloved

If only it supported all these other things I just typed up

It can't because of how CIL and the runtime are, though

[safe dragon]

time for F#

[devout vault]

Hence why "C#++--" is compiled into CIL at runtime after analyzing all the loaded plugins together (it's designed for game modding)

[wet tendon]

https://github.com/FractalFir/rustc_codegen_clr

[devout vault]

I've seen that, but it's still limited to CLR stuff as far as interop with other compiled things goes

[wet tendon]

rustc_codegen_clr save me......

save me rustc_codegen_clr...

[devout vault]

Most of the added features revolve around being able to do modding stuff more flexibly and cleanly.

Like, a big part is supporting mixins (both in your own types and into other plugin types) as well as a sort of harmony equivalent (no transpilers, but there are "safer" alternatives to mid-method injection if the method designer wants).

There's also some stuff from other modding platforms/languages, like being able to conditionally include certain interface implementations on your types (like only if another specific plugin is around) (inspired by minecraft modding stuff, or at least stuff that existed back in 1.7.x)

And there's some other stuff which is just stuff I want in general, like Java-style enum functionality, being able to use values in generics (which would compile down to something more similar to C++ templates, but a little different), actual typedefs (slightly different than using aliases), etc.

• some things C# has that I'd exclude for sanity during development (no unsafe code, no extension methods/properties/etc. since that functionality is covered by mixins, and probably a bunch of newer C# stuff I've literally never used (or maybe even older stuff - like I don't understand async stuff well enough to do it well)

And some stuff not directly language related like optional sandboxing and templates (not C++ templates, more like ones used for theming websites).

(Templates would be stuff like a file that is an event script without a bunch of boiler plate, essentially allowing you to write the event as a top level program, but more than once per program unlike normal C# top level statements since it wouldn't be for a primary program entry point)

[rain apex]

what would Visual Basic mods look like

[devout vault]

Suffering

(And outside of the scope of this project)

The biggest barrier would be generating the CIL, at least in a decently optimized way, for non trivial things (like complex switch pattern stuff, nested loops, etc.).

I guess I could generate C# code from my hypothetical language and just run it through the C# compiler, but then I'd need to include the c# compiler with any projects using it and who knows what antivirus would think of that.

Console Code is only 2.9MB, so for a full game added file size wouldn't be too much of a concern...

And of course there's making good tooling for IDEs (syntax highlighting and analyzers)

The silliest thing in it so far is the only keyword ideas I have for mixin permissions:

    keyword on for "mixable" ness, ie. what do you allow mixins to do
        TODO: come up with actually reasonable keywords for this
            while this is kinda fun as a play on "mixin" and liquid viscousity, not sure it's reasonable for the end product :P
        sauce - mixins can access anything, including private members
        jelly - mixins can only access protected things, can combine with jam
        jam - mixins can only access internal things, can combine with jelly
        butter - mixins can only access public things
        solid - no mixins allowed at all (like for a Vector2 class or something fundamental like that)

I guess I could do something like a mixable(protected, internal) sort of thing...

(And yes I had to google "things similar to jelly and jam" to figure out the naming conventions)

[frosty echo]

Something odd going on if your jelly is more liquid than your jam

[devout vault]

Yeah I couldn't come up with a good word for that theme for protected vs internal since, rather than being in a direct hierarchy, protected and internal are more like different things at the same level

So I just chose jelly and jam for those since I'm always like "what makes jam different from jelly anyways"

[rain apex]

soup

[devout vault]

(The default is butter by the way, not solid)

[devout vault]

I'm not sure fruit soup as a condiment/additive really exists? Could be wrong though, I'm not an expert on the subject

I didn't even know fruit butter was a thing until I googled this stuff

[rain apex]

hm kind of?

[devout vault]

I'd say soup is more of a thing you put stuf into, rather than something you put into stuff

[rain apex]

cantonese dessert sugar water

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tong_sui

cant get more free form than this

what if you do the thing microsoft says not to do and implement new language features via source generation

[devout vault]

Microsoft says not to do that? LAME

(I kinda did that with my dynamic fixed point generator, huh...)

That's sorta what I'd be doing though, since this would all compile to CIL before running anyways

(Or maybe compile to C# if I'm that lazy, and figure out a way to fix stack traces)

[sand frost]

Strawberry soup is a thing in some places I think

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruktsoppa

[devout vault]

But you're expected to eat soup standalone! That doesn't tend to be the case for the other options I listed! (well, outside of things like applesauce, but even then I'm sure there are people who will just eat them standalone like my dad does peanut butter)

[cinder karma]

Protected, internal, Protected internal, internal Protected 💞

[fleet wren]

is ketchup a soup

[rain apex]

the kind of soop im familiar with as a child is like miso soup

So it's a side not a main

[rain apex]

Banned

[devout vault]

...are you saying you eat ketchup by itself. Like pouring a bowl a ketchup and going to town with a spoon

If so, I concur with chu

[indigo mist]

@fleet wren You leveled up to Cropmaster. That's level 500! The deepening purple represents your mad descent into the server.

[fleet wren]

ketchup soup got me to lvl 500

[cinder karma]

Perfect

10/10 no notes

[cinder karma]

Yeah but you also don't put the soup on something else usually

[devout vault]

Banned. Get out of here with that heretical excuse for a food - as penance you must cook and eat only gourmet meals for 30 days straight before returning. Proof of completion will be required

[cinder karma]

What's gourmet here

And can I have some

[fleet wren]

noted, pan frying steak for the next 30 days

does it count if I buy caviar and just spread it on a plate with some creams and crackers

[devout vault]

We're applying rules similar to the many forced-food-variety mods for Minecraft

[devout vault]

No, that's not close enough to cooking. Otherwise you could just make charcuterie boards all the time

The intent is not just to make you see the error of your ways and become better, but also make you suffer, you see

[cinder karma]

Where's my steak

Oh it has to be different gourmet meals

[devout vault]

Just saw this and it looks like an improvement, at least? https://modrinth.com/mod/oracle-index

But still not quite as flexible as I'd like (but again, having the global ToC on the left side is a massive improvement)

Ideally I'd want to be able to make more dynamic pages though, with custom interactive UI components and such

Like imagine a widget that simulated a multiblock structure and you could easily swap blocks in it and see stats about the result, without having to get all the resources to build it and also test it to figure things out

[rain apex]

oo it loads markdown

[devout vault]

Yeah, and it isn't limited to being super cramped on-screen like patchouli 😛

Patchouli does have a lot of nice features as a mod developer, but as a user I don't like having to be limited to the cramped default window size (or simple scaled up)

Something something "I paid for the whole monitor I'm using the whole monitor" joke

[cinder karma]

Selph, can I have some of the steak?

-# there better not be ketchup

[fleet wren]

late reply, sorry ated them all

[devout vault]

If you ate them all that first, then that's hardly 30 days worth

(Or did you do that because I forbid using the same meal for 30 days, and so you combined all steak into a single meal so it wouldn't go bad)

[fleet wren]

my answer is... yes

[sonic mirage]

I just discovered the Nvidia App is the reason I've been running out of space on my Windows partition forever. It was using 37 GB for some reason, but it was all in its AppData folder so it's entry in the Apps list / Control Panel didn't report that much space usage

[cinder karma]

Having seen multiple "generate a knitting pattern!" apps made by...not actually real knitters...makes me really want to make my own

Sure you can generate a bog standard raglan but I want a stitch pattern darling

I just need to abstract knitting into a constraints system 🙈

[fringe chasm]

I have a coding question

Would it be possible to create a content patcher function where instead of taking a overlay from a asset in the folder, the mod will take a internalasset that has been loaded in game?

I was thinking something like this

       "LogName": "Lyell Outfits",
       "Action": "EditImage",
       "Target": "Portraits/FC.Lyell",
       "PatchMode": "Overlay",
       "InternalAsset": "Portraits/FC.Lyell_Outfits",
       "FromArea": { "X": "{{XFrom}}", "Y": 0, "Width": 128, "Height": 384 }, // optional, defaults to entire FromFile
       "ToArea": { "X": 0, "Y": 0, "Width": 128, "Height": 384 } // optional, defaults to source size from top-left
    },```

like it would be really cool if we could use loaded in assets for overlays, it would make recolors of overlays possible

[thin estuary]

not much of an off-topic question

anyway, i don't think this would be at all possible with how CP works

this would mean assets depending on each other, highly complicating the whole system

[pliant snow]

testy test test

hmm

[safe dragon]

test

[pliant snow]

did your test work

[safe dragon]

always

[pliant snow]

wow

that's why I only write tests that always succeed

[safe dragon]

do tests work if they always succeed

[pliant snow]

yes

[safe dragon]

I see

assert.true(true)

[pliant snow]

the goal of a test is to get a non-failing state

therefore

[real verge]

@devout vault psst I'm out of retirement kinda

[safe dragon]

Gratz on not retired

[supple ether]

I've thought about implementing similar things before but the main pitfall of relying on assets for other assets is that it becomes possible to create a cyclic dependency, which will either not work (if you have safety checks) or crash the game (if you don't)

In fact I did that to myself before by accident with c#

[safe dragon]

<@&239770080378880001>

[sweet monolith]

already on it!

[safe dragon]

👍

[crystal wren]

Using images is... novel.

[safe dragon]

yeah not even screenshots

photos of a scam

[crystal wren]

Well Aquo, want to start working on OCR link blocking? /j

[waxen cliff]

Getting lazier every day huh.. Alas

[crystal wren]

Nah, this is actually kinda clever to bypass censors!

[waxen cliff]

Still not clever enough to get past apples

[crystal wren]

Me when I'm halfway between being a chaos gremlin and responsible with commits.

[cinder karma]

The sheer number of times I've resorted to using xxd at work

[safe dragon]

concerning

[dusty pollen]

I've actually thought about this a lot before! more specifically, how OCR could help get past using similar-looking letters from other languages/parts of unicode in links

[safe dragon]

having used my fair share of OCR tooling for dealing with PGS (image based) subtitles... they kinda suck

even for a fairly straightforward to parse script like the alphabet

play a fun game of I vs lvs 1 vs / vs \

the ones built into stuff like google lens seem to be really good but idk what they're using

Tesseract seems to be main open source one but I've used it and it seems to struggle

[crystal wren]

AI on every single image hosted on every Google platform, of course.

[safe dragon]

and more!

you might get tesseract to behave well enough for this purpose but for subtitle handling it requires a lot of cleanup after

but perhaps subtitle fonts are worse to deal with than normal thickness fonts

PGS subs are the devil btw

(for my specific purpose of sentence mining for language learning)

[pliant snow]

I fucked up submitting my taxes three times last year because I couldn't tell if my car's VIN number had a O or an 0 in it

[devout vault]

I'm very much on hiatus from SDV modding at the moment unfortunately 😅

If you have any questions I might be able to answer them though if you DM me or ping me in MCN or something, just not doing actual development at the moment beyond for pathoscat.mp4 the other day

[devout vault]

I take back what I said about my own programming language. I'm using this now. https://github.com/denismm/mystical_ps

[sand frost]

Btw whenever you feel up to it lenne says my PR works

No hurry cause anyone dedicated can backread discord

[devout vault]

Well Pathos sorta gave me a deadline for some spacecore stuff that will break with the next CP release, so ideally by the end of the month?

Since once I do spacecore I'll likely do JA/GMCM as well

[sand frost]

Sounds good!

[fleet wren]

in other gourmet food (and not at all about programming) news, the water carbonator I splurged on arrived today (the co2 canister, on the other hand, hasn't yet)
did I waste money on a novelty that I likely won't use much? probably, but at least I'll be able to finish this entire bottle of squeezed lemon juice before it expires next month

[cinder karma]

You have to what on your taxes

Then again I mildly panick every time someone hands me a tax form

Merrill gave me a 5498 the other day and I was like oh god what is this

[pliant snow]

I bought an electric vehicle so if I wanted the tax credit I had to file my VIN number and stuff to show what I bought

[cinder karma]

Let me know how it goes

I've been wanting to DIY one for years now

[devout vault]

...I'm not sure carbonated drinks count as gourmet

Sounds fun though, I think one of my brothers has a soda stream and likes it

[fleet wren]

in this household anything above "rice with egg and soy sauce" is gourmet /s

[devout vault]

You know what? Fair

In my apartment, anything that's "not cooked in a microwave or from food delivery" might as well be gourmet

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by atravita as #6376 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1373801745683316799)

[ivory shadow]

In random laptop related news, today I got tired of the stupid numpad layout on my Framework and used the configuration tool to change the bindings of the top row keys. These ones:

I don't know why they thought numpad needed an Escape key, calculator shortcut, equals key, and a second enter key but at the top

I have rebound them to Home, PageUp, PageDown, End

[cinder karma]

I had to buy an actual incandescent bulb the other day and the single bulb was like $3

[devout vault]

Escape on numpad? What

[ivory shadow]

RIGHT?

[cinder karma]

There's a TV with a screen on it and it costs $3k

[devout vault]

Is there not one elsewherre or something?

[cinder karma]

I don't like this world

[ivory shadow]

Hmm. What would you even need an incandescent bulb for? Lava lamp?

[devout vault]

...don't all TVs have screens?

[ivory shadow]

And there's absolutely an escape key elsewhere, since you'd definitely also have a traditional keyboard.

Maybe they were planning ahead in case someone makes, I dunno, a touchscreen module that goes where they keyboard goes...?

[fleet wren]

the calculator button is a common thing™️ on numpads for some reason

[ivory shadow]

It looks like a calculator surely you want to be able to access a calculator instantly

(Except I never use the calculator app, I use a keystroke launcher that has a calculator module)

[cinder karma]

Oops

Samsung fridge

[ivory shadow]

Well I'm gonna show Samsung and invent a TV with a refrigeration compartment

[devout vault]

Not all traditional keyboards have an escape button 😔

That's why I had to ask

[devout vault]

Perfect, it can make my food scalding to match volcano scenes or frozen to match antartica scenes

Bonus points if it can cook somehow. Binging a new TV series? Every episode it'll make you an appropriate snack for the upcoming plot points

[cinder karma]

Isekai'ed into the late roman empire? The snacks match!

[ivory shadow]

casey in here asking me to invent a molecular printer built into a TV

(I absolutely would if I could)

[cinder karma]

I never use the calculator

I feel like the calculator is a mistake at best

[devout vault]

No, worse. I'm asking you to have it come up with meals and cook them based on what's stocked in the refrigerator compartment

[cinder karma]

Wolframalpha.com or literal excel or the python terminal

[cinder karma]

So what do you have stocked

[ivory shadow]

Let's hook chatgpt up to a robot arm and give it access to a stove

[cinder karma]

I have some salmon and about four pounds of chili

[ivory shadow]

This sounds like a good idea

[devout vault]

Why is it "fridge" and "refrigerator".... why did a letter disappear

[cinder karma]

Oh and I guess a bell pepper

[devout vault]

As previously mentioned, only microwaveable things.

(And water, a little bit of apple juice left, and a little bit of chocolate milk left)

[fleet wren]

quick what's the square root of 5 divided by 2

[ivory shadow]

I have no idea why fridge is spelled that way and it annoys me

[devout vault]

I'm struggling to understand the context for this, even seeing the surrounding messages

[ivory shadow]

Like, if it's based on frigid then where did the d come from

[cinder karma]

Anything is microwave able if you're brave enough

[ivory shadow]

(I guess the d migrated?)

[cinder karma]

Tad bit more than 1.15

[supple ether]

Wait really?? How the hell does that work

[devout vault]

I guess without the d it'd be pronounced more like "fry-je"? (pretending english always follows it's own rules)

[ivory shadow]

I assume it works via the Fn nonsense

[devout vault]

Frustratingly

[cinder karma]

Damn, not bad for a mental math guess

[ivory shadow]

Yes pronouncing words exactly how they look is very important in English, I guess they were just forced to put the d there

[cinder karma]

Très importe

[cinder karma]

Calculator button

[devout vault]

I know I've seen keyboards without escape (and had to use them) before, but google is only showing me ones with escape that have the keycap removed

[ivory shadow]

You can't attack me with French, I took a single year of that in high school and haven't needed it since

[cinder karma]

About every time I opened the calculator app I regret it

[devout vault]

Ah, it sounded like you were saying you didn't see a reason why people would use calculators on their computer

[cinder karma]

I usually needed either wolfram alpha, the python console, or good old excel instead

Yeah, one of my coworkers actually uses the calculator app

[devout vault]

I use it sometimes

[cinder karma]

Then copies the values back into excel

[devout vault]

Oh

[ivory shadow]

but why

Do they... do they know what Excel's main purpose is?