programmers-off-topic

[safe dragon]

they just silently become bigger if more space is needed

[devout vault]

Who needs careful memory management

If you're using python you probably don't care about that anyways /s

[cinder karma]

Not a 🐍

[devout vault]

(I can't comment on elixir, I don't know anything about those outside of fantasy potions)

[safe dragon]

elixir is mainly used for distributed network/web server type stuff

built on erlang/otp by ericsson which was built pretty much entirely for telecom originally

part of the goal is "whatever happens, the network should never go down"

integers resizing themselves is... I suppose a minor win in that regard

[dusty pollen]

no they just barely work

have you ever used a glue gun and wondered if you could build something 3d out of it? that's pretty much the experience

I use yadm! I quite like it. I recommend it to anyone who's already comfortable with git

[safe dragon]

it was about as easy as it gets to set up so no complaints

[dusty pollen]

not exactly - yadm is based on a weird trick with git repos and the base directory being different to the work tree base. I can't remember the exact details but I'm pretty sure there's very little symlinking involved

as far as I'm aware you could set up an almost identical system with pure git and you'd only be missing the advanced stuff like per machine configs etc

[safe dragon]

right the symlink thing is gnu's thing

gnu stow

[dusty pollen]

same, and also atp I just know zsh shell script better than I do bash and can never go back

iirc you don't need to do this, you can do what yadm does instead which makes everything untracked by default. I could be wrong though

tl;dr both floating and fixed points (and decimals, for that matter) have infinite precision if you have infinite bits/digits but not if you don't. Fractions just can't represent a lot of the real numbers at all (e.g. pi or e)

[cinder karma]

Exactly why I said a faff and a half+

Xd

[sand frost]

I’ve definitely done that

But in a certain philosophical sense, that’s just my research

(Not with plastic)

(Large robot helping me)

[dusty pollen]

same, and ngl it may end up being easier than using a 3d pen there’s something so satisfying about glue guns though. I get why all the content farms spam videos using them

[crystal wren]

A 3D pen is basically a very small calibre glue gun.

[cinder karma]

Why bother when I can play with real 3d printers tbh

[dusty pollen]

gimme one

[crystal wren]

They come relatively cheap and not too terrible nowadays is my understanding!

[dusty pollen]

then you give me one! /lh

[crystal wren]

Wow, that's kinda crazy.

https://uk.anycubic.com/products/photon-mono-2

A resin 3D printer for 200?

[ivory shadow]

One of these days I really need to get a 3D printer.

Probably not a resin printer though. I'd like something multi-material.

(Also, resin printers are spoopy. Too many fumes.)

[sand frost]

Resin printers are godawful messy

They’re goopy AND spoopy

I’ve been pleasantly surprised by the Bambus at work

They can do multimaterial but some models are worse at it than others

[frosty echo]

Also, toxic fumes

[marble jewel]

I have a Bambu P1S, and it really sets the standard for a filament-based printer, that's multi-material, and is dead simple to use. That said, they've been making a few anti-consumer changes lately, so if I were looking for a printer today, I might spend some more time researching the other options.

[cyan shadow]

what is it with printer companies and being anti-consumer

[frosty echo]

More like s/printer //

[sand frost]

sucks to hear — we have so many Bambus that we are unlikely to switch over anytime soon, but we'll see how it is for the students

[devout vault]

Shouldn't a fraction be able to represent any number a fixed/floating/decimal can, just with the right denominator? Like if you're using infinite bits/digits that applies to them too.

Also aren't pi and e infinite and so for either method you could you'd just have to stop at some point?

Like 3.141159 is just 3141159/1000000

[devout vault]

Have you considered: Not having a place to put one

[cinder karma]

Work owns the 3d printer. I just play with it

This is, afaik, very common in tech jobs

[supple ether]

pi and e are irrational yes. which by definition means you can't write them as fractions, you can only approximate

[devout vault]

But you can't with decimal based notation either

Like, aren't decimals kinda sorta just a notation akin to a bunch of 10^x based fractions added together

[sand frost]

you could write them as continued fractions

but yes, you're right assuming finite decimal points

with infinite decimal points, it's an infinite number of fractions added

[devout vault]

But if we're using infinite decimal digits, we can also use infinite digits for fractions

[sand frost]

I need to backread to find the context here xD

[devout vault]

Base 10 fixed point numbers are just fractions in a trench coat

[sand frost]

I think I agree with you here

It's just that using infinite digits for fractions isn't really a supported operation

[devout vault]

It originally started from atra joking about us not being in a simulation because we don't experience floating point inaccuracy (which came from when I showed a video and gif of how bad it is for the guy who has been walking to the Far Lands (12 million blocks from spawn) in Minecraft 1.7 for literal years)

[sand frost]

our universe is kinda...discrete tho

[devout vault]

...any less supported than decimals?

[sand frost]

oh hmm i guess we don't have that problem

Yeah! decimals have an obvious like "next decimal place"

if you adjust a fraction to be closer, you have to fundamentally change all of it, often

[cinder karma]

Smh plank constant tiny

[sand frost]

(depending on how much closer etc etc)

Like if you look at the fractions that best approximate pi, they have nothing in common with each other

[devout vault]

I don't think this is a problem for a civilization simulating our entire reality

[cinder karma]

22/7 is a favorite

But I love my physics hat

Pi=1

[devout vault]

This sounds like the work schedule of a startup with super bad work-life balance

[devout vault]

Does this mean that eventually we will raech the end of pi /s

[cinder karma]

Huawei

[devout vault]

<insert joke about the end of pi being when I eat it all>

[sand frost]

I like 355/113

[cinder karma]

My cousin enjoys his regulation cot

[sand frost]

but also sometimes pi = 3

[cinder karma]

||it's actually for his mid day nap because China does that||

||he is occasionally allowed off work||

[cinder karma]

Pi doesn't contain cheese

[devout vault]

I don't only eat food that contains cheese

Even if I literally just got a bunch of cheesy food to eat

(Like, "literally just got" = just sat down from going to the from door to get it)

[cinder karma]

Speaking of cheese

Brunch

[modest jewel]

Yummm

[safe dragon]

fancy

[dusty pollen]

so, fractions can only represent rational numbers, so there is no number that can represent pi and e. However, in theory, there is a number with an infinite number of decimal places for both of them, it just can be written down

even with infinite digits for fractions, it isn't possible!

[devout vault]

If you can represent pi with an infinite amount of digits, shouldn't you be able to just do: <infinite digits of pi but without the decimal point>/(10^<the infinite amount of digits minus one, however that would work>)

I know "infinity minus one" isn't strictly a thing but I'm pretty sure mathematically there are like different sized infinities somehow, so seems reasonable at a glance. (Though obviously I'm not gonna do a formal proof for it. 😛 Not that I know how)

[dusty pollen]

infinity minus one is not a thing in any theory the different sizes of infinities mean something kind of different

which is why this doesn't work

[devout vault]

I figured, but I'm also not a mathematician

Therefore, this is good for me and I will not accept any counterarguments from people who understand the subject better than I do

[dusty pollen]

you can construct pi using infinite sums of fractions but not using a single fraction

[dusty pollen]

you keep going and I'll explain how p-adic numbers mean that the largest number in the world is -1

[devout vault]

You mean like 3/1 + 1/10 + 4/100 + ...? That's basically the same thing as far as I'm concerned 😛 (again, not a mathematician)

[devout vault]

I don't know what that means and I don't want to

[dusty pollen]

kind of it's a Taylor series

[devout vault]

<discrete math proofs war flashbacks>

Also, consider: this is for a hypothetical civilization simulating our entire reality, and they could have simplified how math works here for technical reasons. They could have math with more possiblities, somehow!

Saying "but what about this hypothetical alternate reality" is totally a valid argument, what are you talking about

[dusty pollen]

also, respect, ancient Chinese mathematicians

[devout vault]

Wow

[dusty pollen]

and a lot less respect, non-ancient Indiana

[devout vault]

(Also I do kinda think this way with some things.... like, I'm against capital punishment, but if this were a fantasy world where a villain was constantly using their powers as a WMD and there was no magic suppression sort of thing, I'm not sure what other option there would be until something like that could be invented)

[dusty pollen]

wmd?

[devout vault]

wha

[devout vault]

weapon of mass destruction (like, you know, nukes)

[dusty pollen]

ah

I feel like in a universe with magic but no magic suppression you'd have problems way before you get to that point

[devout vault]

Are you saying my hypotheticals about applying principles of morality in this world to a fantasy world with magic and monsters and stuff aren't realisitic?????

[devout vault]

I looked up literacy rates for Indiana then noticed the date in this image, so had to google a bit further.

Indiana lagged the rest of the Midwest with the lowest literacy and education rates into the early 20th century
Okay, I guess that tracks.

(From Wikipedia "History of Indiana", with a source that I didn't read because why in the world would I read an entire academic paper for some random discord conversation)

[cinder karma]

No

Iro's approached it from the formal math perspective

I'm approaching it from the information density perspective

From the information density perspective, information takes memory, and infinite memory is infinite space

You've got to cut it off somewhere

[cinder karma]

(It's doubly funny because physicists literally use 1 for pi)

Also 1 for every other constant

[dusty pollen]

(mostly astrophysicists and quantum people, right?)

[cinder karma]

Lol yeah

Shush

[dusty pollen]

I believe that for those people, tau would be 10 iirc

because you're rounding based on nearest power of ten and tau is largely than sqrt(10) = 3.something

[pliant snow]

https://xkcd.com/2205/

xkcd: Types of Approximation

It's not my fault I haven't had a chance to measure the curvature of this particular universe.

[sand frost]

I would argue continued fractions mean this sort of is a thing , though I don’t recall offhand what the continued fraction for pi is like and maybe it doesn’t properly have a limit or something?

[dusty pollen]

I meant a single fraction haha - it's also possible as an infinite sum of fractions through the Taylor series

[sand frost]

any truncated continued fraction can be converted to a fraction, though, so there's a similar sequence approaching (though every fraction in the sequence has a different numerator and denominator)

[cinder karma]

How the fuck does svn handle symlinks, atra asks on Monday morning

The tl;dr is my coworker committed something he shouldn't have

Trying to unwind it

[worn remnant]

i know a guy named ichortower who's always committing things he shouldn't have, tbh

[cinder karma]

It's fine haha, it's just that it's not actually in my job description to deal with the version control but my general linuxfu means I end up doing this

In this case he committed a symlink to an output directory

And I maintain an unending hatred towards svn. If we were in git I could do this

(I'm not annoyed at coworker. I'm annoyed at svn.)

[worn remnant]

i have never used svn, and i hope i never have to given everything i have heard. (i do not expect to have to. everyone has moved on, and afaik the stragglers all wish they could)

[dusty pollen]

yeah, but that's for truncated ones, and pi's continued fraction is infinite ofc, so it would be an approximation

[sonic mirage]

We're still slowly moving projects over to git from svn, so I have the fun of working in both for now.

[safe dragon]

I've only ever used git

I've experienced my fair share of "what's version control" but no svn

[marble jewel]

You haven't even used copies of files on sharepoint, with the "version" appended to the filename, where you end up with 16 copies of a file with one of them named "some file v2 - final (2)"

[safe dragon]

I've never used sharepoint...

technically my current job uses sharepoint but it's currently broken and they've been trying to fix it for months now to little success

[marble jewel]

I mean, you can substitute sharepoint with Google Drive or Dropbox, and same deal

[safe dragon]

now for google drive that's just exactly how I worked in uni

the database guy for the old microsoft access application thing I'm rewriting does version control by having a bunch of versions of procedures saved in .txt files

not even sql

txt

he uses notepad(not ++) as his editor so I guess the file extension doesn't really matter...

[marble jewel]

I have a guy who does the same thing. On meetings he'll share his screen with notepad open where he saves all of his notes.

[safe dragon]

it's been a fascinating experience working in a team of generally non-programmer people

[marble jewel]

The person I'm referring to is a senior software developer, but has been in the role for like three decades

[safe dragon]

they share the three decades part

except mine is not even considerd a software developer

I think his official title is consultant even though he's the sole developer of this application

[marble jewel]

To some extent, I can understand why some people never bother learning anything beyond what they know. It's kind of the whole "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" but I just can't imagine allowing myself to stagnate that much

[cinder karma]

Everyone has their own skillset

Not everyone has to be an expert on everything

[marble jewel]

Part of it for me is I just don't want to obsolete myself by depending on the skills I have which are relevant now but probably won't be for much longer

[safe dragon]

dude honestly has a pretty good grasp of sql and database optimization even though he uses notepad and is a holy believer in the "big items table instead of different tables per item type" all while I hear and see him work with like 500 workarounds to deal with it all being in 1 table

anything beyond this narrow little corner of oracle database he knows pretty much nothing however

his plan is to retire in 2 years however so becoming obsolete would honestly be his end goal at this point

become unnecessary and leave

[marble jewel]

I need to be able to exchange my time for income for at least another 15-20 years so I hope my industry isn't doomed before then

[safe dragon]

that'd be nice

most of all I just really love what I do so I wanna keep doing it

right now I improve and expand my expertise almost entirely just due to innate curiosity

all tech related tho

[cinder karma]

We can make a modder out of you then

Innate Figure It the Fuck Out

[safe dragon]

I'm interested in the tech behind it though I have little interest in making mods

also small issue that I've never been into mods in any game

neither using nor making them

the only sdv mod I ever downloaded was some experimental multiplayer mod before there was an official thing cause a friend wanted to try it

and then they didn't have time so we never tried it

[lethal walrus]

is that casey's one

[safe dragon]

you're asking the wrong person frankly

I clicked a link on what I assume was nexus

[lethal walrus]

i see

[safe dragon]

that was also like 8 years ago

perhaps 7

my stance on multiplayer 9 years ago

funny going back all those years and seeing names I recognize

https://www.nexusmods.com/stardewvalley/mods/501

this was the mod

I found it

in old chat messages

[crystal wren]

And unsurprisingly, it's Casey's!

[safe dragon]

incredible

[crystal wren]

I can't imagine the hell involved in wiring up multiplayer without being able to modify the game directly...

[safe dragon]

multiplayer is a nightmare regardless of the situation frankly

casey has the honor of making the only mod I've ever downloaded

[crystal wren]

@devout vault, you hear that?

[marble jewel]

For me, playing with mods has been like getting early access to QOL or aesthetic features. A lot of times, the mods I play with end up becoming vanilla features.

Particularly in Minecraft and SDV, some mods have been a less-polished version of what ends up becoming part of an update

That's mostly because I don't play with mods that are too game-changing so they're already well-aligned with vanilla goals

[sand frost]

I did this, but we didn't change the name of the part, we just used the built-in versioning history

also they were all solidworks parts

notably, solidworks does have its own version control system

the dropbox system was a notable upgrade from that

[dusty pollen]

I once had to debug a spreadsheet written by the "genius" (according to everyone we spoke to) previous intern which turned out to be using a VBA script hard linked to a specific sharepoint file with zero documentation

[marble jewel]

I was probably "that guy" long, long ago. I would still get calls years later about various macros I had written that were still out there in the wild.

[dusty pollen]

said script was feeding into a very important document used for billing. It broke because the sharepoint file was deleted. It was deleted because nobody told the team managing it that it was being used so they haven't been updating it for months and decided to finally do some cleanup. The same was true for like the five other files it was hard referencing. If I ever meet that guy we will have to have a very long conversation about life choices.

[cyan shadow]

I do believe something has gone wrong with the partitions on this raspi

[dusty pollen]

you can partition a raspi?

[cyan shadow]

the sd card, at least

[dusty pollen]

ah, fair enough

[cyan shadow]

I installed Lakka on it and transferring files onto it has... not been working

[dusty pollen]

I thought for a moment the 4 has an ssd or something

[safe dragon]

all you need is a saw

[cyan shadow]

crumble no

[dusty pollen]

crumble yes

[cyan shadow]

but yeah, bestie and I have been messing with this thing for like... 3 hours, now? even went out and got chicken as a break

so far, we have got:

1. ethernet.

that's it

[dusty pollen]

I've only ever installed NOOBS on my raspi

I don't think that's even maintained any more

[cyan shadow]

my bluetooth controller connects to it, but with difficulty and then doesn't like button inputs very much, but I think you have to set up a config for that, which I will do tomorrow when it's not nearly midnight

[dusty pollen]

does it have Bluetooth built in?

mine didn't but as I already said, it's a raspi 1 I assume improvements have been made

[rain apex]

I can't believe there's something worse than using excel as a database

[dusty pollen]

yeah, it's using excel as tables in a database and vba as a query

I learned very quickly that the only thing he was a genius about was ways to give me a migraine

[rain apex]

1 billion years jail for that guy tbh

Also this has to be after cloud became a thing right

[dusty pollen]

this would have been written in 2016-2017

so just a little, yeah

(also it relied on sharepoint which iirc is cloud?)

[marble jewel]

Sharepoint is now mostly cloud, but back then it would have probably been hosted

I think Sharepoint Cloud became more part of the package deal when Office 365 became a thing

[dusty pollen]

office 365 was already a thing in 2016, wasn't it? I mean it was probably hosted but that's just for enterprise reasons haha

[marble jewel]

Probably, the last 10 years have all been pretty fuzzy. I can't tell what happened 3 years ago vs what happend 13 years ago.

[dusty pollen]

13 years ago was WannaCry and the release of the switch

[pliant snow]

first of all, how dare you

[cinder karma]

When was heartbleed

I wannacry because my heart is bleeding?

[marble jewel]

It's gonna be fun when we can say Stardew Valley's release is closer to the original Harvest Moon than to today. We're not there yet, but I like to say that to make people feel older than they actually are.

[fleet wren]

Can't believe stardew valley came out 20 years ago

[pliant snow]

heartbleed was about 10 i think actually

[dusty pollen]

-# no it wasn't those were both 2017

[pliant snow]

was heartbleed the intel one

[fleet wren]

did you know the original star wars' release date was closer to the construction of the pyramids than to the current date

[cinder karma]

See I don't remember wanna cry but I remember heartbleed

[marble jewel]

Only in a galaxy far, far away

[cinder karma]

Heartbleed is older

Also

Heartbleed is 2014

Ooh okay

2017 is one of the bad depression years for me no wonder I have no memories

[marble jewel]

Thanks to the unlimited cloud storage of thousands of photos, I can rewind back to 2017 and have some faint memory of what happened then

Apparently, for me 2017 consisted of me mostly taking photos of my cats

Oh, and I got married so there's that

[cinder karma]

See, I also have almost no images from those years

I occasionally come across something stupid like "wow my workflowy has undone tasks from 2015"

Here is one of few real photos I have from that year

Of a cute street kitty

[lethal walrus]

iirc it was openssl

[cinder karma]

The Intel one is spectre

Heartbleed was the out of bounds memory access in openssl

https://xkcd.com/1354

xkcd: Heartbleed Explanation

Are you still there, server? It's me, Margaret.

Spectre was speculative execution

[dusty pollen]

why don't bugs get fun names like that any more

[fleet wren]

only big bugs get fun names, and for better or for worse (mostly better) we don't get lots of big bugs nowadays

back in the olden days where mail clients straight up execute attachments we get fun bug names once every other week

[devout vault]

Yeah not having Harmony made that extra Fun (in the Dwarf Fortress sense, kinda)

[devout vault]

That’s the gateway modding. Soon you’ll be adding content that is just right for fitting into vanilla, then adding small deviations that go well with it, until you end up with a 50000+ mod pack that a vanilla player would say “is this really the same game with mods or is it a separate game spirited by this one”

The only stance on mods that bothers me is the one where people dislike them because it goes against the original developers vision and the modders should just make their own game.

I know someone like this and it confuses me greatly. Like, to me it just reeks of “I have no idea how much time and effort it takes to make a game” sort of thing (and I believe we were talking about Skyrim, not some indie game).

It’s doubly confusing because they used to (and maybe still do occasionally?) do WoW raiding and so I’m 99% certain they used addons for that, or at least something like Advanced Combat Tracker since they talked about dps numbers and whatnot.

[devout vault]

Charge $200/hr minimum 3 hours for consulting /s

[edgy lark]

erm this might sound very stupid but im new to Visual studio - how do you change the name of a project ur making without causing any problems?

like I tried changing name of a mod I m making and I started getting errors etc

[strange copper]

I always end up manually editing the .sln and .csproj in a text editor to reflect the new name. there's probably a better way

[supple ether]

I renamed the csproj and then just did dotnet sln add to re-add it to the sln

Which is probably the wrong way to do it but it worked

[sand frost]

i remember both together somehow??

i think this is false

[devout vault]

Somehow despite having heard of that exploit back then I could remember nothing about it.

[cinder karma]

Wannacry is the name of a computer worm

Heartbleed I remember more

[devout vault]

Now that I read the wikipedia page I vaguely recall the domain killswitch thing and thinking how silly it was that they didn't pre-reserve the domain so someone else couldn't get it and stop the spread (like what ended up happening).

But now that I think about it that would've made it easier to find the culprit

Given the whois data stuff (even if you do a registrar's privacy service, it just lists the registrar data instead and the registrar would still have the data as to who you are)

[lethal walrus]

Having it preregistered also would've killed it bc I assume it just tried to resolve it as opposed to actually connecting to it?

[dusty pollen]

I do too for some reason but I’m not sure why

fun fact: nominet (the .co.uk official registry, basically the UK version of verisign) actually has privatisation built in

whereas verisign doesn’t so it has to be done by the registrars

[dusty pollen]

I can’t remember what gets listed if you use that privatisation though. I think it’s just redacted/empty iirc

[cyan shadow]

It does! (Late reply, I'd conked off)

[cinder karma]

Y'all were both probably too young to remember each separately smh 😛

Especially you, iro

[dusty pollen]

I was 17 during wannacry and spectre and 14 for heartbleed, but I think I may know why casey and I (or at least I) remember them together…

hmm, nope, never mind

[cinder karma]

Young. Children. Tiny

Teensy

(Why do you remember them together?)

[dusty pollen]

atra aren’t you like. six years older than me

[cinder karma]

Then again, some of y'all can aim the "young/teensy" at me lol

[dusty pollen]

(no clue. I thought I knew why but I didn’t)

[cinder karma]

Jessie holding my hand as I panick through the first recession I'm old enough to remember

Look I was a child in 2008 and a student in 2020

[dusty pollen]

I was also a student in 2020! twinsies

[cinder karma]

All undergrads get the "you're so tiny and teensy" treatment from me

[dusty pollen]

so in order to age I have to get another degree? no thank you this one was hell enough

I will stay a youths

[cinder karma]

Three years of work expirence count too

[cursive sigil]

Does that mean i'm also old Atra?

[cinder karma]

You have young vibes

[pliant snow]

I'm glad you asked. Yes.

[cursive sigil]

I'm 28 this month, finished my masters but only have 2 years work experience didn't know the vibe also matters

[cinder karma]

You're not bitter and jaded yet

[cursive sigil]

Oh but i am

[cinder karma]

(I don't know I thought you were early 20s)

[cursive sigil]

I've been bitter and jaded since i finished my masters tbh

[cursive sigil]

I've mastered my "hello fellow kids"

[cinder karma]

How does that work

[crystal wren]

(Just in case for Atra's sake, that's a reference to a part of a TV show that later became a meme.)

[cinder karma]

I knew that reference!

[cursive sigil]

Years of experience of being a cameleon in social situations because you have anxiety and now have the ability to quickly assess the vibes of the group and mold yourself to it

[cinder karma]

https://tenor.com/view/fellowkids-steve-buscemi-kids-how-are-you-gif-5510636

[worn remnant]

MUSIC ⚡ BAND

[cinder karma]

No idea the context but I've seen that meme before

What's funny is that irl people often misjudge my age, often by more than a decade lol

I look young

[cursive sigil]

Me too, i get asked for id when buying beer even though drinking age is 18 and no one really cares about that anyway here

[cinder karma]

Case in point: someone once asked me at costco if I needed help pumping gas

[cursive sigil]

Not wearing make up probably doesn't help me

[cinder karma]

It's doubly funny because I'm outside in the sun alll the time

[cursive sigil]

Without spf?

[cinder karma]

Usually!

[cursive sigil]

Are you going to look 20 until you're 40 and then suddenly look 70?

[cinder karma]

I need the vitamin D anyways

[sand frost]

I got ID’d 2 weeks ago

I am not close to being 18

[cursive sigil]

I keep having to go to the doctor with my mom because i need assistance getting there and the doctor keep talking to my mom instead of me

Like you have my file you can literally see my age pls

[sand frost]

The lady who works the front of house at the restaurant I stop by sometimes after work asked me if I was a nurse (so at least an adult!) and told me I was very young for a professor

I guess since I usually stop by at like 9pm she thought I worked weird hours

In her defense I do work weird hours

Yesterday I was at work 10am-5pm and 10pm-12am

[cinder karma]

People also associate professor with 60 year olds

Hey what

No

[sand frost]

One day I’ll be 60

[cinder karma]

10pm to 12 am!!

[sand frost]

But they also think 60 year old man

[cursive sigil]

That is true

[cinder karma]

I like to believe I'll look roughly the same at 60 as I do at 40

Looking at my family this is actually quite likely

[sand frost]

That’s only 2 hours!

[cursive sigil]

You're healthy so probably

[cinder karma]

In thr middle of the night!!!!!

[cursive sigil]

Besides the SPF situation

[sand frost]

I had to fix my mistakes with an angle grinder

[cursive sigil]

As you do..

Normal thing for 10PM on a monday

[sand frost]

I don’t have time today to fix my mistakes because I’m meeting with students or other meetings until 8pm

Would 8pm on a Tuesday be better?

[cursive sigil]

Slightly

[sonic mirage]

I wish more mistakes could be fixed with an angle grinder

[cinder karma]

I don't drink so I never get id'd

One cute trick

It's always weirdly random and usually someone asking me if I'm old enough to drive or fly on mg own

[cursive sigil]

I only drink some beer/wine with food in social settings

I did my drinking as a teenager, can't and don't want to do it anymore

[cinder karma]

I was your stereotypical Asian child

All work, no play

[cursive sigil]

I did my teenager stuff from like 14 to 17 but i was still the responsible one

The mom of the group

Ruining everyone's fun by making sure no one dies

[cinder karma]

I think by the time I was like, 15/16 I was already old and tired

I have sensory processing issues so I don't enjoy loud crowds, etc

[cursive sigil]

For me that started at 18/19

[cinder karma]

I don't think I ever did "teenager stuff"

[cursive sigil]

It's like as soon as i was actually allowed to do the stuff i was already so done with it

[cinder karma]

Tbh it never appealed to me

[cursive sigil]

See i'm pretty sure part of the appeal to me was only because i liked a boy in that group and that was the only way to hang out with them

Which i guess in itself is "teenager stuff"

[cinder karma]

Ew, boys

[safe dragon]

cooties

[supple ether]

Being trans but not realizing it meant I was deeply uncomfortable with myself and around other people, which kinda fucked over my teenage years completely, so I didn't do any teenage stuff, or really have much of a social life at all

Yeah if it's good

[cinder karma]

I spent my teenage years trying to be hard-core lol

Not in the fun way. The 1.5x course schedule way

[cursive sigil]

i read that as hardcoded

[thorn latch]

I was home schooled

I think that says it all lol

[safe dragon]

can't tell if discord is blurry or I got used to the higher dpi of my laptop and now my pc looks weird

hrm

I got used to the higher dpi I think

that sucks

am I now forced into buying 4k monitors

[crystal wren]

https://www.apple.com/uk/pro-display-xdr/

Just force yourself to use high DPI scaling, as well as have no money anymore.

[safe dragon]

using the pro display xdr on linux would be an odd choice

[cinder karma]

Buy better glasses

Speaking of glasses

DH. Junimo Kart mod wheb

[safe dragon]

I do need the vesa amount as well or it can't go on my monitor arm

[safe dragon]

worse glasses you mean so it's no longer noticeable

[worn remnant]

i think the most recent update fucked with the fonts slightly. they also changed the :tm: to this ™️

[crystal wren]

Oh yeah, I was going to reply to that ping! I remember we were just brainstorming the basic platforming niceties that would improve it?

[safe dragon]

™️

[cinder karma]

Yes but now I'm retired TM

[safe dragon]

that used to give you the unicode version...

™

[worn remnant]

discord simply loves to twiddle the knobs on unimportant stuff like "reducing accessibility" instead of things that might prevent misuse like "letting users control whether others can ping them"

[crystal wren]

And "let me pop out channels so I can keep an eye on things sensibly".

That one would be far, far too much, though.

[worn remnant]

if it doesn't have coyote jumping, it should. and also in the realm of "physics be damned", being able to adjust your horizontal position even a little bit would go very far

or figure out a way to get the level RNG not to generate impossible ("impossible") situations

[crystal wren]

Coyote time was the first biggest thing in the brainstorming, yup.

And a bit of jump buffering, just the very, very basics to start with.

[ivory shadow]

RIP. I've been forced into 4k for years. I love them for coding. You can see so much at once

[crystal wren]

4K, 100% DPI scaling is where it's at.

Assuming your eyes/glasses make it manageable!

[pliant snow]

fractional scaling for the win

[safe dragon]

4k 100% is always manageable if the monitor is big enough

god it bothers me way more than I thought that things aren't as sharp

[pliant snow]

is it a wayland thing

[safe dragon]

no it's just a ppi thing...

everything looks weirdly blurry

[pliant snow]

you've become a snob

[safe dragon]

become?

[pliant snow]

time to get a 3:2 4k monitor

[safe dragon]

3:2 is really nice I gotta say

[pliant snow]

I do know what you mean tho, at work I have both a 4k and 1080p monitor and it's shocking looking at one screen versus the other

[safe dragon]

see that's the worst part

I have 2 monitors

[cinder karma]

It has now

[safe dragon]

currently they're both 1440p 27" which makes things nice and consistent

[dusty pollen]

it looks the same as it always did to me... I only notice that it changes from device to device

[safe dragon]

if I upgrade one I will inevitably end up upgrading the other

[pliant snow]

no no

you need a huge 4K monitor

then turn the 1440p ones vertical

where their horizontal size is the same as the 4k vertical size

[crystal wren]

I'm loving my main 4K 28" monitor, honestly. Still nice and readable, but also small enough that even without scaling things are super crispy.

[dusty pollen]

I refuse to join in the monitor discussion lest you guys find out what resolution I use

[marble jewel]

640x480?

[dusty pollen]

not QUITE that bad

[crystal wren]

1024x768?

[safe dragon]

honestly I've noticed that quite a few applications these days don't seem to even know how to deal with less than 1080p

it'll get weird

[marble jewel]

You skipped 800x600

[dusty pollen]

i think so for one laptop, yeah, and I'm pretty sure everything else is 1366p

[marble jewel]

Let's just go through resolutions from the early 90s until now

[dusty pollen]

or whatever it is. 1300?

[safe dragon]

... then I'd need a new monitor arm

[pliant snow]

you can balance some boxes together

[ivory shadow]

1366p is a fucking crime and laptop manufacturers should pay for what they've done

At least I assume that's a laptop

[dusty pollen]

so what will you do if I tell you one of these is a regular monitor

[ivory shadow]

Such a weird number

[dusty pollen]

one laptop, one monitor

[cursive sigil]

oh god i had one of those, they are horrible

[safe dragon]

I hate that I kinda dig the idea of having 2 vertical monitors with a horizontal one in between

[dusty pollen]

I like the single vertical, single horizontal monitor look (or at least I did when I used it at work as an intern lmao)

[marble jewel]

In the old, old days, I had an Asus Eeebook which had a weird resolution like 1366x768

[dusty pollen]

yeah, both my laptops have that resolution iirc, or one is 1080p and one is that

[ivory shadow]

You know what I really hate?

[marble jewel]

Actually no, it was the Eee PC and even worse. I think it was 800x480

[ivory shadow]

Old TVs that expose themselves as 1080p but they're actually 1366x768

[marble jewel]

I'm looking up the models, and it was one of the earlier-gen ones

[dusty pollen]

yeah I never got that. Was it because fewer people knew 1366p?

[ivory shadow]

A lot of consumer electronics are stupid and don't understand any resolutions other than 720p and 1080p

You give them a weird resolution and they can't handle it

[marble jewel]

As a broke, starving, college student, that thing was a godsend, but in hindsight was horrendous

[dusty pollen]

gorjus

[marble jewel]

That looks exactly as I remembered it

[pliant snow]

thats a widescreen laptop right there baby

[fleet wren]

that laptop looks like it can handle a 10 feet drop

[marble jewel]

Except I had the edition running Windows

[dusty pollen]

that laptop could survive a nuke, right next to the original IBM thinkpads

this IS running windows, windows XP I think

or maybe not?

jfc what is that

[marble jewel]

That looks like their custom Linux os

[pliant snow]

i think it is, using one of those kiosk applications

[crystal wren]

That's definitely the weird version of Linux some of them came with!

[dusty pollen]

they had a custom linux distro for a laptop? ahead of their time

[marble jewel]

That thing got me through years of basic computing needs. I even had it plugged into a monitor, keyboard, and mouse.

So underpowered, but served me well for the time

[dusty pollen]

oh my god it's tiny

[cursive sigil]

this has reminded me i had one of these

it was so fucking tiny

[dusty pollen]

I got my first laptop when I was 12 in 2012

[cursive sigil]

it wasn't my first laptop but it was the first one that i bought myself

when i was like 13

[pliant snow]

I got my first laptop when I was 19 in 2012

[cursive sigil]

saved all the money from christmas and birthdays

[dusty pollen]

I still have it but it's in like a million parts and ngl it looked almost identical to one of my current laptops

[cursive sigil]

and this is what i spent it on

[crystal wren]

Yeah, my first laptop was a second hand ThinkPad not too long ago...

[dusty pollen]

(which was bought to replace it)

[marble jewel]

That was my first laptop, and I was like 19 when I bought it

[dusty pollen]

it was my one big bat mitzvah present

that and a kindle

bat mitzvahs are THE big birthdays for us so my parents bought me a bottom of the range £300 laptop

which I took apart myself in my room to repair so many times. fun times

[cursive sigil]

i had a laptop but my 13 year brain was upset my mom was taking it away so it thought "if you buy one it is yours so she can't take it away!"

mine i think it was also like $300

in like 2010

[strange copper]

I remember playing some educational computer game on a laptop that i think ran windows XP but it was not my personal laptop

I found it in the closet years later and i went "wow this thing was heavy"

everything is so thin and light now

[marble jewel]

I kind of wish I still had my little eeePC. I eventually modded it with a higher capacity SSD, and ended up installing Ubuntu to it. I think I even did a screen replacement repair.

[dusty pollen]

every techy's first step into hardware: frankensteining their old pc/laptop instead of buying one that was made in the last decade

(mine has an HDD in the disk reader slot!)

[marble jewel]

After that part of my life, I got into PC building next

[worn remnant]

oh i absolutely had an eeepc 701 (the 800x480 kind) which i got explicitly to tinker with and because it was dirt cheap. i got a 901 (1024x600) at some later point, also for loose change, and i think i might still have it lying around

[dusty pollen]

I forgot how I look for my resolution on this laptop... time to look up xorg commands

okay they're both 1366p

[worn remnant]

my favorite monitor i ever owned was an absolutely beastly CRT that did 1600x1200 back around 2003 or 2004. second place goes to a 1280x1024 LCD from slightly later which was almost certainly rubbish but i vividly remember giggling with delight at how small it was

[marble jewel]

The netbook category carried me through my young-adult life

[dusty pollen]

my first two laptops were both 15"

solid black plastic. could be used as a melee weapon

[worn remnant]

also from the mid-00s era was a mostly-terrible gigantic dell laptop which somehow pushed 1600x1200 on about 15 inches. it had PCMCIA card slots, which you had to use to do wifi. it weighed an unconscionable number of pounds

[marble jewel]

I mean that's just what laptops were back then. Or is that when they started calling things Notebooks because you shouldn't use them on your actual lap.

[cursive sigil]

but they provided so much warmth during winter

[worn remnant]

truthfully i don't remember that well. i only remember complaining about the giant laptop among my friends who were also laughing at how bulky it was /lh

and the other thing i remember is how good the screen was and how it spoiled me on laptops for (checks notes) decades

[cinder karma]

I don't recall a giant laptop era 😦

[dusty pollen]

this is what I'm imagining ichor

[cursive sigil]

my dad had one of those when i was little

[cinder karma]

Ah. Yeah. Never saw one that big

[worn remnant]

that's very close, yeah! but like twice as deep from front edge to screen

[dusty pollen]

(also I think you may have just solved a mystery I never bothered to look into re what the mystery slot on the old thinkpad I have lying around is)

[pliant snow]

those fucking pc cards

[worn remnant]

you could get other cards but i only ever had a wifi one

[pliant snow]

we only ever had macbooks back then, but I remember windows users acted like they were a grand invention, even tho it seemed like they were always more trouble than they were worth

[cinder karma]

I have to do math....how old was I in 2012

How old was I when I got my first laptop

None of these are questions I have answers too

[cursive sigil]

You are timeless

[safe dragon]

holy shit

I put a monitor vertically and it's like it stretched

why is it so long

[rain apex]

It was wide b4 and now it long

[safe dragon]

but it feels so out of proportion...

[sonic mirage]

I touched one of my monitors this morning and the monitor arm decided it was suddenly too weak to hold it up. Had to crank up the compression screw on it and after being fine for a couple years. Weird.

[safe dragon]

I'm not sure how to feel about vertical monitors... I think I'm just gonna have it be like this for a while and see if I hate it

[marble jewel]

The amount of force needed in my monitor arm to counteract my monitor's weight is so high that without the monitor it could knock your teeth out

[dusty pollen]

my monitor arm is set to the Correct Ergonomic Height which looks very funny with my tiny single monitor

iirc it's a 19" maybe?

[sonic mirage]

I'm now mildly concerned about when I eventually swap the two side 22" 1080p with (I'm assuming heavier) 27" 1440p ones

[cyan shadow]

I want a monitor arm because my desk is pretty small, but I have no idea if it'll clamp properly to the side of the desk since there isn't a lot of space

[worn remnant]

i have considered getting a second monitor and putting it vertically for coding space or w/e, but whenever i've had a second monitor i never really use it, so i don't bother (and i'm lazy)

[dusty pollen]

I think my ideal would actually be a smaller second monitor

I'd just play a youtube video in it

[safe dragon]

I use however many monitors I have available that has never been a worry

[sonic mirage]

I get annoyed with being down to just 2 monitors when I have to go into the office

[worn remnant]

(i actually have an old monitor in the computer graveyard that i could simply start using. but, lazy)

[cyan shadow]

I would like
1 monitor

[cursive sigil]

i feel like i'm living in a tiny box everytime i have to use a computer with a single monitor

[marble jewel]

My monitor can switch between being a single ultrawide or it can also function as two monitors side-by-side

[cyan shadow]

Just one, because then I can put the laptop on the window sill or something and keep the desk less cluttered

[marble jewel]

It has multiple inputs, and when I enable PIP mode, my PC treats it as two monitors, which is convenient when I want to split my workspaces

Although, if I had and infinite scrollable tiling window manager, I'd bet that would work even better

[frosty echo]

My monitor can switch between being a single ultratall or it can also function as two monitors one above the other

[safe dragon]

2 is the bare minimum for me to do my job without me losing my mind

[crystal wren]

Is it this kind of situation?

[safe dragon]

I'm increasingly amused by the idea of having two of these funky vertical monstrosities

I have to tilt my head up to look see my server icons on discord

[cursive sigil]

Neck workout

[safe dragon]

this is cursed

[crystal wren]

That channel selection!

[safe dragon]

gotta put a align-items: center on these things

[dusty pollen]

crumble isn't sure what the server name is referring to and isn't looking to find out /lh

[safe dragon]

for code this seems wild

for discord it's great if I want to read back to messages from last year by looking at the top

[cursive sigil]

Off topic only

[safe dragon]

oh yes

[marble jewel]

I've only got one monitor, but technically 4 screens on my desk. 6 if you count the stream decks as screens.

And my monitor is currently showing Windows on the left, and MacOS on the right

[safe dragon]

vertical ultrawide time

[marble jewel]

The arc would be insane, hover over my head

[cursive sigil]

For the neck workout of course

You already go side to side

Time for up and down too

[cyan shadow]

Yep

[crystal wren]

Still waiting for the first really parabolic monitor setup...

[marble jewel]

I need a second one that starts vertically above the horizontal one

[cursive sigil]

Well yes of course

[safe dragon]

"doctor. My neck hurts lately"

[crystal wren]

So mine clamps fine over the metal bar, but I'm going to be doing something super simple soon. Literally just a small block of wood on each side of the bar to make it behave like one thicker desk.

Job done, will be even more stable!

[cyan shadow]

Ooooo, clever!

[worn remnant]

finally got my emacs setup just how i like it https://i0.wp.com/boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/jd1c0014.jpg

[marble jewel]

Optimal

Do you control that with drum sticks?

[crystal wren]

You type using drum st-

Damn it.

[cyan shadow]

[rain apex]

Gboard

[safe dragon]

vim people: "I never have to move my hands off the keyboard"
emacs people: "which keyboard"

[rain apex]

https://youtu.be/EHqPrHTN1dU?si=8Cb9JEjqZZM-To93

[safe dragon]

that's a terrifying keyboard

I love the google japan meme of odd keyboards

[cursive sigil]

Love the huge enter button, you can just smash it with your head

[sonic mirage]

Taran? Is that you?

[safe dragon]

I somehow only now realized this is a jab at me having all the non off topic channels hidden

[pliant snow]

smh

[safe dragon]

hey I still have bulletin-board visible

I'm better than some

[sonic mirage]

Offtopic Valley

[safe dragon]

how it was meant to be

vertical monitors give me too much power

mortals weren't meant to be able to see this much text

time to buy a 4k oled HDR monitor

[marble jewel]

Don't forget FreeSync if you're trying to check all the boxes

[safe dragon]

honestly at that pricepoint I feel like they include freesync as a lil extra bonus

both of these monitors are already freesync

hdr doesn't really work on linux very well yet but gotta have it anyway

get an HDR monitor only to then only consume SDR content

[crystal wren]

I mean that will often have the side effect of much better coverage of SDR colourspaces.

[marble jewel]

Makes perfect sense. It's like me having an RTX 4090, and playing Stardew Valley on it

[safe dragon]

one of the first games I played after upgrading my pc was oldschool runescape

[marble jewel]

I will say, a 49" monitor plays SDV very well. I'm able to see my entire farm at once.

[safe dragon]

"wow I can see the whole farm... where's the player though"

[crystal wren]

4K with minimum zoom in Stardew really is wonderful, though.

Apart from the small maps where you're letterboxed and pillarboxed to hell and back.

[safe dragon]

mortals weren't intended to have such power

[crystal wren]

<insert plug for my mod that lets you set a zoom level per map to avoid issues like that>

[marble jewel]

You're scaring the Vanillas

[safe dragon]

you can't scare me I don't play the game in general

I've now also put my other monitor vertically

the cabling is now a disaster sight

[rain apex]

What if u just put 2 monitor horizontal but on top of each other

[safe dragon]

I've considered it in the past

this monitor arm isn't wide enough to put a monitor in between...

[supple ether]

reject 16:9, return to 4:3

[safe dragon]

I'm a big 3:2 advocate now due to the framework

[crystal wren]

You got the better screen?

[safe dragon]

I did

[crystal wren]

Yeah, that screen's weirdly good.

[sonic mirage]

I've always liked 16:10, but it's not much of a thing anymore since 1440p became available

[safe dragon]

a few days ago I had to work from just my work laptop for a few hours which is 16:9 and then right after I shut down that laptop I grabbed the framework and realized how nice it was to have that extra vertical space

[supple ether]

the only thing with 16:9 is that it's awkward to read on

[fleet wren]

is this your setup

[safe dragon]

it is right now...

if it weren't completely impractical it would kinda be aesthetically nice to have a third vertical monitor right in between these 2 rn

[supple ether]

like, you can't use the full width, because then the lines are too long and it's easy to get lost while reading, but if you make them narrower, then you have a ton of unused space on either side. You can do multiple columns, but then you can't do a continuous vertical feed, you have to do pages and it's just kind of awkward

[safe dragon]

I rarely read on my pc for that reason tbh

[marble jewel]

Trying out a tiling window manager on an ultrawide is fun, because it tries to fill the space, and a full-width browser is unbearable

[supple ether]

yeah that's a major reason why I will never get an ultrawide monitor

[marble jewel]

A whole paragraph can be just a single long line across the screen

[safe dragon]

on niri you can set the default proportion a window should open at

so you can do half a monitor

it's the default in fact

[marble jewel]

Unfortunately GlazeWM only has workspaces which fill the screen

So however many windows occupies a percentage of the screen up to 100

[safe dragon]

ultrawides on a normal tiling window manager would definitely feel odd

[marble jewel]

I like how this request is like - I know you've got your own thing going on, but can you just be niri? https://github.com/glzr-io/glazewm/issues/1039

[safe dragon]

lmao

"can you just be a different desktop"

[marble jewel]

As a modder, I can relate. I've heard so many times "I love your mod, but can you just be this other mod"

[safe dragon]

it's interesting to look at monitors for sale and not see any TN panel ones?

[marble jewel]

And my response is always, I appreciate the support, but if you like the other mod then just use that one

[safe dragon]

they'll go to a competitor

you'll lose business

[marble jewel]

Oh no, I'm losing a customer for the hobby I do for free /s

At least in the case of window managers, there really isn't a comparable option to niri for Microsoft Windows

[safe dragon]

I feel any attempt would fail horribly

... huh?

• Type of HDR: HDR10
• Color space: sRGB

seems like every other one has color space DCI-P3 or Adobe RGB (or both)

[crystal wren]

100% someone just forgot to put the right data in.

[safe dragon]

I know someone who works in the data entry for this website

I'll sue them

[crystal wren]

Sue them for that monitor. Seems like a just punishment.

[marble jewel]

Waiter, I ate all of my meal and it was awful, I demand a refund

[safe dragon]

what's with 480 Hz monitors

what kinda gamer eyes do they think I have

[marble jewel]

Sometimes you just gotta aim for the moon and reach the stars /s

[safe dragon]

these vertical monitors are great for instantly scrolling past the 17 page introduction all the shitty review websites have

[fleet wren]

a use case for those 500fps games discussed earlier /lh

[safe dragon]

I see the general issue

you know it's bollocks when a review website puts an alienware monitor at the top

[marble jewel]

Review website, or paid shilling?

[crystal wren]

Just get a few G9s and have them all vertical.

https://www.samsung.com/uk/monitors/gaming/odyssey-oled-g9-g95sc-49-inch-240hz-curved-dual-qhd-ls49cg954suxxu/

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/mando-way-this-is-the-way-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-18467370

[safe dragon]

I'm going to need a gpu upgrade to power that

hell yeah brother

[marble jewel]

My G9 has fewer pixels than 4k, not sure if that's still the case with newer models

[safe dragon]

I love how companies desperately try to market visual fidelity of a monitor to you as you watch it on a different screen

[crystal wren]

Still a bit short it seems.

[marble jewel]

It's like watching tech youtubers review speakers/headphones, and have you listen to the differences through your crappy speakers

[fleet wren]

ah yes, I can really tell the difference

[marble jewel]

Wow, that's fast

I mean look at that car go

[safe dragon]

I can smell that increased hertz through the screen

I'm glad all monitor manufacturers are in agreement that they should only use the worst names

Philips 32M2N8900/00

[sullen belfry]

or you crash at terminal velocity causing basically guaranteed death

[cinder karma]

Smh

The moon is far closer

[crystal wren]

And among the stars is a terrible place to be!

[cinder karma]

Shoot for the moon. If you fail you'll blow up in the upper atmosphere tbh

[fleet wren]

Shoot for the moon. If you miss the moon's gonna crash into earth oh god we're all gonna die aaaa

[marble jewel]

And they all lived happily ever after. The End.

[sand frost]

think of the bunny on the moon...

[cursive sigil]

what psychopath sent a bunny to the moon

[fleet wren]

excuse you the moon bunny is a native, if endangered species

[cursive sigil]

so if the point is not so save the bunny, why are we shooting for the moon?

[fleet wren]

uhh idk

[safe dragon]

the monitor situation is an unsolvable situation I've determined

[marble jewel]

Are you looking for future-tech, is that the problem?

[safe dragon]

I'm trying to figure out how to best orient 3 monitors but all configurations suck

[marble jewel]

It's like they say, more monitors, more problems

They being Biggie Smalls

[safe dragon]

stacking 2 horizontal monitors puts your line of sight directly between 2 monitors so you always gotta look either down or up so it sucks... Having 1 horizontal and 2 vertical just feels weird cause who needs 2 vertical monitors...

3 horizontal just takes too much space

[marble jewel]

I feel like there's really only one optimal solution, but that assumes you're able to purchase 3 monitors specifically for this purpose - center monitor is horizontally oriented, and left/right are the flaps

Like this

[safe dragon]

monitor flaps

I think in that case it works cause the vertical monitors aren't as tall as mine seems to be

[marble jewel]

There's this, but I kind of hate it

[pliant snow]

Yeah! That was the suggestion I had

[pliant snow]

This is awful

[marble jewel]

I also don't like this because what I would perceive as the primary requires your head to be tilted back

[safe dragon]

this works best conceptually but I'd either need a ridulously ginormous center monitor or smaller side monitors

[marble jewel]

Ridiculously ginormous center monitor sounds like a decent solution

[pliant snow]

what size are your current monitors

[safe dragon]

27 inch

[pliant snow]

27" 1440p?

[marble jewel]

Just get a HDTV, they have comparable specs to monitors nowadays

[safe dragon]

yeah

[pliant snow]

let's see

[marble jewel]

Here's your primary monitor

[pliant snow]

that means they have a 23.5" width

[safe dragon]

60 cm from what I measured

[pliant snow]

so a 23.5" monitor height would require a 48" monitor

[marble jewel]

Recommended viewing distance is about 6-8 feet away

[safe dragon]

.wolfram 60 cm in inches

[heavy dagger]

23.62 inches

[pliant snow]

you need to get a

.wolfram 48 inches in cm

[heavy dagger]

121.9 cm (centimeters)

[pliant snow]

122 cm monitor, done

[safe dragon]

we actually do monitor diagonals in inches for some reason

[crystal wren]

Everywhere seems to do screen dimensions in inches for some reason.

[cursive sigil]

yes idk why we do that

[pliant snow]

where's your metric system now

WHERE IS YOUR GOD

[cursive sigil]

everywhere else

[marble jewel]

Because the assembly line optimizes for areas with the most consumerism

[safe dragon]

there is a 43 inch monitor for sale so that's as close as I'm getting...

that's so huge though

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-what-she-said-what-she-said-dirty-joke-joke-laugh-gif-15661968

[pliant snow]

no thats not big enough

you dont want margins on the side do you

[marble jewel]

That's also what she said

[safe dragon]

truly the peak of humor

[cursive sigil]

the not big enough or the margins on the side?

[marble jewel]

As long as you can match up the vertical dimensions as closely as possible, it should work

I've seen pictures of triple-vertical monitors side-by-side, but that seems like the most wrong

[safe dragon]

it'd be the easiest but also horrible for most pc usecases

[cursive sigil]

literally just get a TV instead

[marble jewel]

I take that back, the most wrong is bottom-right

[cursive sigil]

agreed

[marble jewel]

I would judge that person

[safe dragon]

definitely

[marble jewel]

middle-left isn't horrible

[cursive sigil]

middle right is also offensive to me

[safe dragon]

what fancy monitor arm even is that

[marble jewel]

Middle right is where you're just display family photos on it or something

[safe dragon]

I can barely even find 3 monitor monitor arms for sale

[cursive sigil]

if i had to have 3 i'd do 2 horizontal middle and right and 1 vertical on the left

but that's just specific to how my desk is

[marble jewel]

I couldn't do a non-symmetric layout

[cursive sigil]

hey, i said if i had to

i like having 2

[safe dragon]

this is the optimal configuration

[marble jewel]

I effectively have two since in PIP mode it functions as 2x27" but I kind of wish it had a triple setup built in

Because I'd like to keep the focus in the center

[safe dragon]

I swear neomounts is the only monitor arm company that exists

[cursive sigil]

i do have my two setup as 1 in front of me and one kind of diagonal on my right

but again specific to how i sit like a deranged walrus

[marble jewel]

Just give up on monitors and buy into the VR space where windows are just floating all around you

[safe dragon]

for the true neck workout

[marble jewel]

The superior monitor

[cursive sigil]

give up reality give in to bumping into walls

[safe dragon]

the camera is also wearing vr goggles

[marble jewel]

I wonder if I can make my Quest do that...

Ooh... maybe
https://youtu.be/WRUAqEaHC30?si=mKoUza8S3eBW4yG3

[safe dragon]

possibly

googles monitor stands

[marble jewel]

That was over a year ago, surely more progress has been made since then

[safe dragon]

or it has been abandoned

[cursive sigil]

i am confused

[cinder karma]

Just stand up smh

[safe dragon]

it seems to be for driving wheel and pedals

[cursive sigil]

and then sit back down when you want to look back at the lower monitor

[cinder karma]

Squats

[marble jewel]

Just get a sit-stand desk, but remain seated the entire time

Move the whole desk to accomodate your head position

[sand frost]

It’s so uncomfortable to look up like that

[sonic mirage]

I just need my desk to slouch with me

[sand frost]

I was sitting on the floor in front of a desk for (long story short) laptop debugging

And it was horribly uncomfortable

[marble jewel]

Well there's your problem. You should've used a chair.

[safe dragon]

I'll try programming on a vertical monitor tomorrow before I look into this any further..

[sand frost]

so the longer story is that I was trying to figure out why my laptop was broken-broken and hooking up an external monitor that I don't normally use

i was sort of panicky because well, laptop broken, and I had been using that area as my ironing station

so I would have had to clean up the ironing station from the floor to get the normal computer chair over there

because the computer chair currently lives in front of the sewing machine

so definitely should have used a chair... definitely did not

[pliant snow]

speaking of monitors, someone at my apartment has been throwing away several TVs this week, and one of them might have just made it home with me

[cinder karma]

Man, millennials, throwing out TVs

[pliant snow]

it's actually nuts how many I've seen

[dusty pollen]

iirc my birth country does them in cm, but that’s probably bc nobody there even knows inches

[supple ether]

I got my tv off the curb

It works just fine, it's just a bit cheap and has no smart features

(which is actually a plus imo)

[worn remnant]

i yearn for a television with no smart features

i guess that's just monitors though

[cinder karma]

I kinda just stopped watching TV one year tbh

I don't know

It's weird.

[worn remnant]

i use my tv for my game consoles and for watching movies. big screen nice pixels

[cinder karma]

I moved into a dorm that didn't have a TV and just....stopped

[worn remnant]

i just wish it focused on doing its one job (receive pixels and display them) and stopped doing all the other bullshit (gestures broadly)

[cinder karma]

In a real sense, me playing stardew at all is an....extreme deviation of personality

Got it, ichor. Can I interest you in playing stardew on your fridge

[sand frost]

An iPad and some duct tape can handle that for you

Heck, a Chromebook and some duct tape in a pinch

The folding bit might get inconvenient

Depends on how much clearance your fridge door leaves you

[cinder karma]

I reallllly want to do sock world championshipppppp

[devout vault]

Please don't call me out like this.

(Though I'm sure being homeschooled from 6th through 12th grade didn't help either. Not that things were really any different in college. Also, maybe I would've discovered the idea of being transgender sooner though?)

The painfully-shy-ness (like, "avoid talking to anyone outside direct family and even when I had to as few words I could reasonably get away with (or sometimes a bit less)" level shyness) that seemingly started from the intense bullying in the half a semester of public school 6th grade probably didn't help either.

[supple ether]

yeah, mood

[sand frost]

I'm glad you talk to us now

even if we're not real because we're on the internet

[devout vault]

Also this is nonsense, the stars are much further away. If you miss the moon you'll end up floating in space for a while before falling back into earths gravity well and burning up in the atmosphere

...Should've finished backreading, this has already been discussed 😔

[devout vault]

...I have a joke about a popular MMO, but even spoiling it but leaving only which game it is unspoiled would kinda be a spoiler 😔

[devout vault]

Not gonna lie part of the reason I was interested in that headset "air conditioning" (I think it was just a fan) + being able to make your keyboard/mouse show in VR was specifically for this reason.

Even if the only thing I'd actually end up using it for would be my 2 day minecraft phases

[devout vault]

To be fair the internet wasn't as big of a deal... though I'm still scared of big channels with tons of people (#making-mods-general doesn't count since I've been here since it was smol and encompassed all of modding, not just development), or just new communities in general no matter the size

Also, re:semi cursed monitor setup, may I present to you:

I didn’t use the tv much for actual computing because craning my neck.

Also just noticed I used a notebook as a mousepad back then 😅 (the center of that desk was glass or something so I kinda had to have one)

Not pictured: the point in time where I had one of those switches where I pressed a button and it would swap my main monitor + mouse + keyboard to my laptop on the right table

Not gonna lie I still kinda like 4:3 as a resolution ratio

I have 4k monitors now which is nice in their own way since for most things I can just have a window on each half of the monitor

[cursive sigil]

now i need to know

spoil it all

[devout vault]

Game: ||FFXIV - specifically, the Endwalker expansion||
The joke: ||The answer to "what psychopath sent a bunny to the moon" is Hydaelyn||
Very spoilery details: ||Hydaelyn is introduced in the beginning of the game as basically the goddess of the world. But it turns she's actually one of the last beings of an ancient super powerful race who accidentally caused the apocalypse (other people of that race did, not her). She ends up creating the moon bunnies (Loporrits) to prepare to evacuate people in the future (ie. the timeframe the game takes place) to another planet in case the apocalypse happened again (because of a variety of plot reasons resulting in her even knowing to do this in the first purpose)||

(another member of the server who might know more context, spoiling because knowing who it is might give it away too considering they've talked about playing this game before 😛 ) ||Khloe might know better on this, I only ever played the main story content and also had to refresh my knowledge on a fan wiki to explain the context||

[cursive sigil]

thank you for also explaining the context

[ivory shadow]

I do know way too much about that game's lore.

[hidden saddle]

endwalker was such a beautiful experience but also it had some elements that were approaching silly

i've never had a game make me cry that much lmao

[safe dragon]

well... did that now

it really is nice for programming

and sucks for basically everything else

[safe dragon]

incredible

I am now faced with a decision...
Options:

• Do nothing, put the second monitor back in landspace and move on with my life
• Buy a fancy 4K monitor and try to make 3 monitors work though putting two on top of each other or something...
• Buy a fancy 4K monitor and replace the worst of the two existing monitors with it

I think my choice is gonna be the first

or

I guess I do have enough space to do 2 horizontal next to each other and then a vertical to the left

[fleet wren]

you forget "watching vertical tiktok videos in a crisp 4k"

[safe dragon]

ok never mind I did some rough measurements and I don't have the space for that

[cinder karma]

Please

I demand a 6x6 screen tile

Not 6 screens

36 screens

[safe dragon]

I'm going to need a new house first for this

[cinder karma]

Tbh irl atra can't be arsed to buy a 4k

I'm not made of money you know

[safe dragon]

have you tried being made of money

[crystal wren]

4K monitors do come shockingly cheap nowadays...

[cinder karma]

I want to buy a house, y'all know

And I'll likely be doing it alone so I need all my financial resources set towards that

[safe dragon]

smh

responsible

[cyan shadow]

I look longingly at the framework website

[cursive sigil]

why did no one tell me buying a 4k monitor locks you out of buying a house?

[cinder karma]

Nah, responsible would be fixing my endless mental health issues lol

[cyan shadow]

And then I remember I have no job and I close the website

[safe dragon]

the framework laptop is what did this to me

it just looks so sharp

[cyan shadow]

I was looking at the desktop today

[safe dragon]

the least special offering they have

[cyan shadow]

It's also compact and cute

[safe dragon]

it is cute

[cyan shadow]

I really adore the look of the 12 but it also feels like a toy compared to my current laptop

[safe dragon]

for pc parts I don't like the replace them till they become unworkably slow

[cyan shadow]

The 12 is the girlypop laptop of my dreams but without the girlypop specs I dream of

[crystal wren]

I'd be shocked if they don't come out with higher spec boards for the 12 at some point.

[cyan shadow]

They'd better

Because if they do I'm getting it

[safe dragon]

hopefully they wait till that job then

[cyan shadow]

Here's hoping

I met a lawyer yesterday that I'd love to work with

[crystal wren]

Just buy the 12 now, upgrade the board later, and turn the old board into a mini server! /j

[cyan shadow]

But I have no idea if he's hiring rn

I mean
He is looking to expand

But he's waiting on some deals to go through and isn't yet a sponsor with the IND so

[safe dragon]

my monitors are back to normal and I am not in the mood to make the cabling nice again

[devout vault]

...are there even any configurations with that many monitor hookups? (and they actually work)

[cinder karma]

I don't know I asked chatgpt to draw me a hedge fund trader and chatgpt wouldn't lie to me right

[safe dragon]

not intentionally no

[cinder karma]

svn info --xml

[sonic mirage]

Well depending on DP version and monitor resolution, you can daisy chain 6 monitors together off of one DP port, so for a 3 DP port card you could do up to 18 monitors. So with 2 cards you could hit 36.

[marble jewel]

Or, if you have a Macbook pro, then DP daisy chaining doesn't work, because Apple

[sonic mirage]

Why adhere to standards when you can force your customers to buy more products from you to make up for the missing functionality?

[cinder karma]

I'm learning a lot about svn

Did you know about svn hooks

[marble jewel]

Would you say you're even coming around to liking it? /s

[cinder karma]

No

[sonic mirage]

I've only dealt with SVN in a situation where all the projects were in a monorepo, so branching wasn't really an option. So it basically acted like remote-only Git with no branches. Ignoring things was a bit more of a pain than Git, and you occasionally had to run the "clean up" when it would get out of sorts.

Not having branches for projects with multiple people working on them is a bit of a pain, it turns out

[cinder karma]

Yeah. I purposefully did something last night that left broken versions of a bunch of files on my system

So it's been a Fun Bit of playing with svn to reset everything

(Cadence knowers-i ran 6.1.8, not 6.1.7)

[cinder karma]

For other reasons in a different repo I need to jump around between different revisions and I was like "hey, why don't u just add it to your prompt so you don't get confused"

Welp

This is trivial in git

[heavy dagger]

New quote added by irocendar as #6364 (https://discordapp.com/channels/137344473976799233/1215712021207720006/1369750260800421938)

[cinder karma]

Not easy in svn

[safe dragon]

how does a monorepo prevent branching

is this an svn thing

[sonic mirage]

My understanding is that branching in SVN copies the entire repo (or something like that). When it was critical that we had a branch - such as for a long term project where we still needed to be able to make updates to the "main" branch - we'd make a copy of just the one project's codebase in a branches folder which lived alongside that project's trunk folder.

[worn remnant]

one of the only things i know about svn is its use of the word "trunk", which i wholly respect and appreciate

[devout vault]

One of svn's only two good qualities (the other being that some version control is better than no version control)

If you install svn on a car computer they are legally required to store that repo on storage located in the trunk

[pliant snow]

👀 https://github.com/astral-sh/ty

[cinder karma]

Ahhhhhhh

But I don't get to install this

[pliant snow]

It's still pre-alpha anyway

[safe dragon]

production ready is what I'm hearing

[pliant snow]

exactly

[crystal wren]

...hmm.

https://www.beeflang.org/

[safe dragon]

I remember coming across that language years ago

leaking 5 year old dms with aquo

[fleet wren]

I've heard about that, seems promising
(also I admit I almost mistook it for Jai, another language written by a game dev, and was prepared to slander it)

[pliant snow]

i still have questions

[safe dragon]

can't believe you'd slander anything made by jonathan blow, our messiah

[pliant snow]

jonathan blow made his own programming language?

[crystal wren]

Jai!

[pliant snow]

I mean, I'm not sure that surprises me

[safe dragon]

he has been for the last 7 years yeah

every few months/years youtube tries to get me to watch a video for every opinion jonathan blow has ever held in his life

[supple ether]

Beef looks like fun! I haven't had time to tinker with it but I'd like to, some day

[crystal wren]

It looks almost identical in style to C#, which pleases me.

It also appears to be Windows-only, which displeases me.

[safe dragon]

pretty sure when I came across it many years ago it more prominently marketed being like C#

[safe dragon]

ah .net framework is its inspiration then...

[pliant snow]

something something C# something

[crystal wren]

aur/beef 1.0.2-1 (+8 0.00) (Orphaned) (Out-of-date: 2023-10-31)
    Flexible interpreter for the Brainfuck programming language

Well that could get awkward.

[safe dragon]

oops got the wrong language interpreter

[pliant snow]

time to adopt the aur/beef package

[cinder karma]

I was about to say I enjoy the syntax

[safe dragon]

wow there's a critically acclaimed videogame using beef

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1955230/Pennys_Big_Breakaway/

[heavy dagger]

Title result: Penny’s Big Breakaway on Steam

[pliant snow]

what

I played that

[safe dragon]

you've played a game written in beef

[crystal wren]

An entire custom 3D engine... written in Beef.

Wow.

[pliant snow]

one of the lead developers on sonic mania made it

I think he also helped with freedom planet 2 as well

[safe dragon]

game engines trying their hardest to have their first commercially succesful game to boost their marketing and then beef comes along

[rain apex]

Beef...

What if im vegetarian

[devout vault]

I have a friend from the KAR server who mentions that language from time to time.

They're also a bit of a frightening person. They're making a custom game engine from scratch in C++ using Vulkan. Madness.

[safe dragon]

if you're vegetarian you can't use the beef language and if you're vegan you can't play games made with the engine

[safe dragon]

that lines up

[devout vault]

They periodically say (not just in DMs, even in the public channels on the server) that the only reason they joined the server was to glean what knowledge the modders have figured out for their own KAR-like game. 😛

Nowadays they also maintain the core stuff used for netplay (a dolphin fork called KARphin plus a wrapper program to help with configuration/modding and easier connections and what not)

[safe dragon]

they know what they like

[devout vault]

Speaking of KAR, <insert KAR 2 evangelism>

I still think how it's funny that when the nintendo direct announced it I got a @ everyone ping phone notification from that server talking about it but I thought it was a late april fools joke. Wasn't until my twin pinged me about the same thing that I realized it was real 😅 (sleep > watching nintendo direct on time)

[cinder karma]

Sleep is good

[devout vault]

Appropriate level of panic (positive) to be honest

[pliant snow]

KAR? You think KAR is the most exciting announcement of the year?

Please

https://www.gematsu.com/2025/05/ecco-the-dolphin-and-ecco-the-tides-of-time-remasters-announced-alongside-third-ecco-game

now this is an announcement

[crystal wren]

...Ecco remasters?!

[safe dragon]

the fuck

[devout vault]

My older brother was being similar over that a couple days ago, but alas, I was too young when I played it to remember it beyond it maybe existing

Only dreamcast game I remember is toy commander

But regardless: Yes, KAR beats Ecco. Fight me

[crystal wren]

This is two consoles older than the Dreamcast!

[safe dragon]

my only knowledge about ecco comes from aquo talking about it over the last 7/8 years

and the ecco text generator by aquo

[devout vault]

shrugs

[pliant snow]

The guy in the interview followed me on twitter because of the ecco text generator

[devout vault]

Also why in the world does a dolphin game have a title with "Tides of Time" in it like it's some sort of fate-defying time travel story