programmers-off-topic

[cinder karma]

I don't get it

[dusty pollen]

he's the kind of person who hides behind "I never said I have anything against the gays but you can't celebrate one group without celebrating every possible demographic group and also you are actually oppressing people who don't like them for religious reasons by supporting them" and then he gets very high-and-mighty and offended when the response is "okay? we're fine with oppressing those people"

he's also apparently a massive transphobe which is fun

[safe dragon]

the kinda "why is there a gay pride and not a straight pride" argument

I swear back then he was just a dorky linux guy almost entirely known for a little series "linux sucks" where he'd critique/nitpick stuff that still should improve in the ecosystem

[dusty pollen]

exactly that but his reasoning was "how dare you celebrate one group (note that I'm not mentioning which one!) without also celebrating mother's day, father's day, [...], programmer's day" paraphrasing but that note is genuinely in there

also, in unrelated job search news: I see we have passed the "waaah the generation younger than me is horrible" torch to millenials I love when people don't see the irony of these posts (courtesy of glassdoor)

[safe dragon]

I looked him up a few months ago wondering what he was doing after I had stopped watching him years prior and I did not know what I was getting myself into

I stopped watching him I got annoyed by his shilling of suse

pretty mild all things considered

[dusty pollen]

I mean it meant you got to avoid whatever is going on with him now

which seems like a plus

[safe dragon]

it's happened twice now

channels I'd watching years ago becoming something like that...

[dusty pollen]

oo who's the other one

[safe dragon]

the other one frankly was a category and far more "logical" of a progression. Basically channels of people who fell out of their faith and talked about their issues with it

[dusty pollen]

wait I did that exact same thing

ik exactly which category you mean

[safe dragon]

so many of those channels are now some of the most toxic horrendous places you can visit

[dusty pollen]

did they call themselves "skeptics" a lot

[safe dragon]

oh yeah some of them at least

[dusty pollen]

yeah, I feel like we're probably even talking about some of the same people ngl

[safe dragon]

probably yeah

I'd say names but they don't deserve it

[dusty pollen]

yup

recently I got a blast from the past when I saw a firefighter responding to someone saying "firefighters are overrated and shouldn't be paid" and it was one of the particularly bad ones from that group

[safe dragon]

ok I looked one of em up and I did find this funny to see as a video title considering the person in question

[safe dragon]

😌

[dusty pollen]

...we're talking about the same guy

[safe dragon]

luckily I don't know the scenario you're referencing

but I have a good guess

I'm surprised how many of these people still make videos

I'm going through the ones I can think of and all of them still upload

[dusty pollen]

I can find the respose vid but it doesn't include much of the original, it's like a ten sec snippet then the firefighter basically telling him to fuck off lmao

[safe dragon]

and they all seemingly went into the same direction

[dusty pollen]

oof

there's this one duo I imagine didn't but I'm scared to check lmao

[safe dragon]

oh never mind we see growth

[dusty pollen]

yeah, browsing through his recent vids he seems... less abrasive than he has been

which is a low bar if there ever was one

[safe dragon]

thankfully one of the first youtubers I watched is still uploading pretty much the exact same stuff with no controversy

(ethoslab)

[dusty pollen]

oof never mind that duo is dead in the water now

[supple ether]

Etho has good stuff

[ivory shadow]

Ah, etho slab. Ol' reliable

[dusty pollen]

this is my first time hearing that name ngl

[safe dragon]

clearly you aren't into the correct minecraft youtube channels

[dusty pollen]

I have played a total of five minutes of minecraft in my entire life

[safe dragon]

that'd do it

[devout vault]

............wut?

Balatro is well known for being the most network intensive multiplayer game known to mankind

[safe dragon]

balatro uploading your gambling habits to every gacha game live as you play

[devout vault]

I was gonna mention the one youtuber I've watched for ages being one of the few that hasn't gone down an evil arc (much like I did yesterday with Web and Sketch - thankfully, I've recovered, Evil Arc Syndrome is no joke), but you already beat me to it 😔

I miss the days when he had an upload every day, but I can appreciate him not getting burnt out too

Though the "one episode every month or so" that's going on lately is sad (not that he is under any obligation to put out videos, and I know he's said multiple times that he has Life Stuff ™️ going on, but I still miss videos).

It's why the life series is so great, we actually get weekly uploads 😂

[safe dragon]

just to ruin our day etho will upload a video tomorrow called like "why women shouldn't be in tech" or something

[devout vault]

If he does, it better be a clickbait title about how women shouldn't be stuffed into computers or something.

...but Etho doesn't do fancy thumbnails, much less clickbait...

It's fun following the whole "primitive technology and etho are the same person and always uploads around the same time" prophecies

[weak bronze]

I've fallen behind on Etho's videos but he's great

If I had the time I would go on a binge session to catch up

[safe dragon]

I think I'm behind

[devout vault]

Amateurs

[cinder karma]

Who is etho

[devout vault]

One of the original minecraft youtubers

https://www.youtube.com/@EthosLab

[cinder karma]

I'm looking forward to web and sketch 😦

Oh, okay

Microsoft block game

[devout vault]

I might still do it, just not with all the evil features

[devout vault]

Well, he's been doing his videos since long before microsoft was involved, but yes 😛

I've also seen people call him "your favorite minecraft youtuber's favorite minecraft youtuber"

(Which begs the question, is Etho's favorite minecraft youtuber himself, seeing as he's my favorite minecraft youtuber? Or am I a minecraft youtuber and just don't know it yet?)

[cinder karma]

Look, casey, I'm tired

So fucking tired

What is Minecraft? I don't know. I don't care

Anyways

[marble jewel]

Quantum TiredPerson

[cinder karma]

Enjoy lunch!

[devout vault]

Looks like the last etho video I didn't watch was around 4 years ago (and it was an among us video with hermitcraft people, so it's arguable that that counts)

I should go rewatch the project ozone 2 series or the sky factory 2.5 series some time

looks at my large amount of "anime/books to watch/read at some point" tabs already open ...maybe not

[cursive sigil]

oh wow it's been a while, i used to love watching etho

[safe dragon]

have you tried having infinite time, energy and motivation

[marble jewel]

I used to watch Etho. I still do, but I used to too.

[cursive sigil]

i haven't watch in a while, actually now that i think about it i haven't watched youtube in a while, besides falling asleep to things

[devout vault]

You know, I haven't figured out a single one of those, much less all three

[safe dragon]

you need all 3 to figure out how to get all 3

[devout vault]

Guess I'll need to find someone who already has all three so they can bestow it to me

But alas, I don't have the time, energy, or motivation to find that person

[cinder karma]

I'm on my fifth cup of coffee

[devout vault]

That sounds bad

[cursive sigil]

i've somehow ended up not drinking coffee

[sonic mirage]

Must not have realized it's decaf, yet

[devout vault]

I guess for some people using coffee to make up for not having infinite energy would work

[crystal wren]

It might be time for my evening coffee now we're talking about coffee...

[devout vault]

Coffee 🤢

[cursive sigil]

i like coffee

[sand frost]

I'm had a hojicha latte today!

[cursive sigil]

i just don't... drink it

[sand frost]

but only one

[devout vault]

I've not sure I've ever had any type to be fair, but the smell doesn't seem like I'd like the flavor

[crystal wren]

And it smells better than it tastes!

[cursive sigil]

the smell is betterthan-

yeah

[devout vault]

Y'all certainly aren't helping the I-don't-want-to-try-coffee problem 😛

[cinder karma]

Don't try coffee

It's a bad habit

[cursive sigil]

how have you never even tried it though

[devout vault]

To be honest it'd probably be a good idea to at least try (caffeinated) given the whole ADHD thing

[devout vault]

Last I check there's no nationally-mandated coffee tasting at age 18 or anything like that

[cursive sigil]

i feel like i first tried coffee as a child

[sonic mirage]

I don't want to get too deep into artisan vs mainstream coffee stuff, but there's plenty of coffee from the grocery store or even big coffee store chains that I wouldn't blame anyone for disliking

[devout vault]

However, I have tasted wine (of some sort) before for that sort of reason (yay church communion, I guess?)

(No I don't like wine either)

(And not really interseted in any sort of alcohol because of the mental effects to be fair)

[safe dragon]

I had my first coffee when I was like 23 or something

hated it, still hate it

[devout vault]

(Communion wine was very tiny servings - still confused as to why middle schoolers are allowed to do that, legally)

[crystal wren]

And you're still wanted by Douwe Egberts to this day.

[sonic mirage]

Like, if you try to drink some Folgers black (without any cream or sugar or anything), then yeah, you're not going to like coffee.

If you have a mediocre coffee from a half-decent roaster, though, you'd prefer to drink it black

[devout vault]

The serving sizes were like this, except the cups were a bit shorter and also not as full:

[cursive sigil]

faith or something idk

[devout vault]

Never really liked how it made my stomach warm

[cursive sigil]

i don't like red wine because of the tannins

[sand frost]

experimentally this has never happened to me

every so often i try black coffee (sometimes even very "nice" coffee) and after the first sip I'm like no and add milk and sugar

I suspect I am particularly sensitive to bitter tastes, because I also disliked lettuce growing up and everyone else insisted it wasn't bitter

[devout vault]

Maybe I'd like it if I added a bunch of stuff like that?

But at that point, why not just drink something inherently tasty, like choccy milk or appy juice

[sand frost]

i like things that have a lot of flavor, and things that are bitter and sweet

[safe dragon]

sensitive to bitter gang

[devout vault]

I've never heard of lettuce being bitter

I dislike bitter things for sure. Dark chocolate? No thank you!

[crystal wren]

I think it's rocket can be a bit bitter?

Just the darker green stuff.

[sand frost]

like it's a nice mix of flavors when something is both bitter and sweet, like dark chocolate or licorice or lattes

rocket is arugula, no?

that was the absolutely bane of my existence as a child

[cursive sigil]

am also not a fan of bitter

[sand frost]

when i said lettuce i meant like normal iceberg lettuce

[safe dragon]

lettuce can be bitter if heated or poorly grown

[sand frost]

it's all bitter to me, i've just gotten a bit more tolerant of bitter as an adult

[sonic mirage]

Ok, so yes, it's still an acquired taste, but difference in bitterness and other off-putting flavors is night and day. I'd recommend a splash of cream and then over time you might find that you need the cream less and less. You can also try light or medium-light roasts which have much less "roasty" flavor (often conflated with bitterness)

[devout vault]

I like things with a lot of flavor, but the flavor has to be one of a specific set (ie. not a bitter like flavor, not a spicy like flavor, etc.).

And of course texture is very important. Please don't make me eat onions, I will be unable to get them down and it will be your fault when there is a mess on the floor

[sand frost]

i have tried cutting down but it has not reached the end point

[safe dragon]

aragula is still something I cannot understand anyone out there enjoys

[devout vault]

I have no clue what this is. Is SpaceX edible????

[sand frost]

i have begrudgingly accepted arugula can be nice in some sandwiches

when appropriately balanced

it has a bit of a peppery taste

[devout vault]

I don't know what arugula is but google shows it being a green leafy thing so I don't like it (I wish I could say /s )

[cursive sigil]

i find it surprisingly mild in taste (also don't eat green leafy things)

[sand frost]

just whatever you do, do NOT cook it

it gets 10x more bitter

[cursive sigil]

i thought it was going to be extremely offensive but it was meh

[safe dragon]

I think the general rule for anything lettuce-y is to avoid cooking it

[devout vault]

. s/cooking/eating

[sonic mirage]

That must be the one lettuce-type leaf that ruins my salads

[devout vault]

(I didn't know you could still use the s/before/after syntax in discord to edit your previous post, I had to type that three times)

[safe dragon]

idk why aragula/rocket is so often in salads

are there people out there who enjoy salads more with that shit in there

[sand frost]

i think there are

my fiance likes arugula

[cursive sigil]

my mom likes arugula

[sand frost]

i think some of the other leaves are worse tbh

[sonic mirage]

I assume it's a misguided attempt to provide visual variety

[sand frost]

there's some purple ones that are bad imo

[cursive sigil]

i agree

[devout vault]

Imagine actually eating lettuce

[sonic mirage]

I think the purple ones are the ones I usually hate the most

[safe dragon]

iceberg lettuce is fine I don't mind it

[devout vault]

(Somebody please harmony patch my brain to at least be able to tolerate healthy foods)

[cursive sigil]

iceberg lettuce is just crunchy water

[devout vault]

I meant to say salad

[safe dragon]

I thought the purple things were aragula

wait

[devout vault]

Since the topic was salad, not lettuce specifically

[sand frost]

arugula is def usually green

with a distinctive leaf shape

[sonic mirage]

I typically just have spinach salads though. Must more substantial and the leaves last longer in the fridge. And no nonsense leaves get mixed in with it

[sand frost]

i just don't eat salad

i like cooked vegetables much better

so i eat those instead

[devout vault]

What's a cooked vegetable /s

The only good vegetable is the one used in compost

[cursive sigil]

i'm the opossite, i will eat some vegetables uncooked but basically none cooked

[safe dragon]

apparently the red stuff is called radicchio

[devout vault]

("But compost is used to grow more vegetables!" You fool, it can be used for grain or apple trees too!)

(Said apple trees are designed only for apple juice)

[sand frost]

raddichio isn't the red stuff i was thinking of, but i do vaguely recall it being offensively bitter

[devout vault]

Last time I tried an actual apple I didn't like it but to be fair, I now know there are a bajillion different types of apples

[sonic mirage]

apple juice is just sugar water

[devout vault]

Shoutout to https://applerankings.com/ for educating me on this matter

[safe dragon]

one thing I've always found astounding is people who like oven baked veggies cause at least all the ones I've tried have all been awful

[crystal wren]

Oh, that's one of my favourite websites.

[safe dragon]

idk what apples my job gets but they're shit

[cinder karma]

I love veggies

I love apples

[sonic mirage]

apple cider at least has something to it, though it's still not great for you

[cursive sigil]

you're just healthy i'm not talking to you anymore

[sand frost]

huhhhh that's my default method

mostly because it's so easy

just plop them on a tray with a little oil and salt and wait 20 min

[safe dragon]

I thought you had no bitter tolerance

[devout vault]

It's a shame apple juice has literally three times the amount of carbs as chocolate milk (at least the chocolate milk and apple juice I most recently got, but the apple juice I got didn't have added sugar)

[safe dragon]

what vegetables do you bake

[sand frost]

ovens don't make things bitter, do they?

[sonic mirage]

like baked potatoes? what do you mean

[sand frost]

onions, mushrooms, parsnips, sweet potatoes, green beans, brussels sprouts

squash, potatoes

[cursive sigil]

fire in general does because of smoke

[sand frost]

broccoli, cauliflower

yeah but my oven doesn't have fire

[devout vault]

Parsnips aren't real! They're a crop made up by stardew valley!
(Source: I never heard of them before SDV)

[sand frost]

and i take them out when they're brown, not burnt

[sonic mirage]

You can cook most veggies in tons of ways and they shouldn't really come out too differently

[safe dragon]

in my mind sweet potatoes/potatoes aren't vegetables but that's funky dutch culture speaking

[cursive sigil]

what a novel idea

[sand frost]

too much oven does make things bitter but brown stuff is usually just flavorful

potatoes are dubiously vegetable

[devout vault]

The only good potatos are chips

[sand frost]

oh i also wanted to do cabbage at some point but my parents visited and stir-fried it instead

[cursive sigil]

they are tasty in all forms so clearly not vegetables

[sand frost]

i like potatoes roasted, then smashed, then roasted again for the crispy brown bits

[devout vault]

(I guess I'll concede for Taco Bell's probably-unhealthy nacho fries, if they're fresh)

[sonic mirage]

I cook most veggies in steam bags in the microwave so I'm not heating up the whole house with the oven

[cursive sigil]

that sounds horrible

[safe dragon]

you have a very inefficient oven if it heats up the whole house

[devout vault]

I can only eat the thinner/crispy fries, preferably seasoned beyond just salt (and not so 'crispy' that they're like, hard)

[sand frost]

idk in the summer it does make a big difference

i like the smashy bits on the inside of fries, but i grew up on in n out

[sonic mirage]

steaming them in the microwave is very different from just microwaving them

[safe dragon]

I guess I haven't had oven baked veggies a lot cause all my previous experiences were bad... onions are much better eaten caramellized tho

[devout vault]

My apartment heats up all on its own at the moment. (I'm so tired of sweating so much every night in bed, somebody please call my apartment building and force them to switch to cooling instead of heating already)

[sand frost]

i'll happily eat frozen peas and corn microwaved

[cursive sigil]

i believe you, steaming vegetable still sound horrible to me

[sonic mirage]

ah, gotcha

[sand frost]

that's the fun part, if you get the timing right in the oven it gets brown and tasty without having to stand there stirring for ages

though it's not quite the same

bc it tends to dry out as well

[safe dragon]

I'm a big caramellized onion enjoyer

my mom always made me do it cause she gets impatient and burns it

[sand frost]

me too, but im way too lazy to make them most of the time

[safe dragon]

brussel sprouts I've always boiled

I frankly barely know what a parsnip is

it's a "pastinaak" in dutch which I think I have seen before somewhere

[cursive sigil]

oh my god the dutch word actually made me realize what it is in my language

[safe dragon]

green beans and broccoli are peak veggies

[cursive sigil]

it's "pastarnac" in romanian

[safe dragon]

glad I helped

[sand frost]

boiled brussels sprouts sounds terrible to me, ngl

[safe dragon]

I like it quite a bit

[sand frost]

i mostly know the weird veggies because we had a community supported agriculture box growing up

how do you make sure they don't get too mushy?

[safe dragon]

the oven seems to tend to make their flavors stronger and I don't actually like the flavor of most vegetables

[sand frost]

oh hmmm

i guess boiling might help with that

i like the flavors of most vegetables fine

i like them better with browned bits

[safe dragon]

they don't need more than a few minutes

they do get a little mushy tho

I was cursed with liking everything unhealthy and not being a fan of most healthy things

very jealous of a friend of mine who drools at the idea of fuckin bok choy of all things

[sand frost]

i do like bok choy, though it's not my top favorite

[devout vault]

Hey, don't call me out like that

[safe dragon]

I can eat bok choy but I don't enjoy eating it

[cursive sigil]

same

[safe dragon]

my dad really likes fennel and conveniently forgets no one else in the family does so when we visit he will sometimes serve some cursed fennel burger thing he loves

[cursive sigil]

now i need to google what exactly fennel is

[safe dragon]

it's like they turned bagpipes into a vegetable

[cursive sigil]

never seen that vegetable before

[cursive sigil]

what does it taste like

[safe dragon]

shit

[cursive sigil]

yes i googled it

[safe dragon]

idk how to describe the flavor of fennel... It's like anise if you know that

[sonic mirage]

I seem to recall fennel being terrible

[cinder karma]

I love fennel but

Fennel doesn't quite fit the budget anymore so

[safe dragon]

now imagine someone just cutting out a horizontal slice from the white part of the fennel and uses it to replace a burger patty

[cinder karma]

And onions are fine and I like them better anyways

(Note the budget is me being mean to me, I make more than enough money, I just like having a very high savings rate)

[safe dragon]

my go to veggies to feel healthy are broccoli, green beans, brussel sprouts and baby spinach

or just a salad

iceberg lettuce with some random shit

smoked chicken is great but it really lowers the "to feel healthy" rating

tomatoes are good...

cucumbers are inoffensive

eggplants are a satan spawn born out of spite for my wellbeing

[cinder karma]

I love purple cabbage

I love most veggies ngl

[sand frost]

I'm ok with fennel but it's not something i like enough to seek out

i like green cabbage a lot

and mushrooms (these feel more like a splurge)

i'm a little picky about mushrooms and i specifically like shiitake

not those white/brown button mushrooms

[cinder karma]

Tbh there are very few veggies I dislike

I actually can't think of one

I primarily eat purple cabbage, kale, etc

Mushrooms good too

I try to eat little meat so mushrooms help fill the gap

[sand frost]

i mean i will still eat the inferior mushrooms

i just don't buy them for myself

[cinder karma]

I found out I can do a fall crop of purple cauliflower

So that is on my todo list

I'm in love with growing the purple things lately

So pretty

[sand frost]

Any purple carrots?

[cinder karma]

We are in clay soil so no carrots 😦

[sonic mirage]

I've had heirloom carrots; they're delicious. Well, besides the white ones

[sand frost]

Awww unfortunate. I guess also no parsnips then?

[sonic mirage]

Yeah we had them alongside parsnips and we had a hard time telling the difference. The white ones were much harder and fibrous and had much less flavor than the orange, yellow, and purple ones.

[safe dragon]

shoutout to my people for orange carrots

also for non-bitter brussel sprouts

[ivory shadow]

Brussel sprouts are in the running for my favorite veggie, when cooked correctly.

[devout vault]

I see a post on r/Kirby on my reddit feed:
"Nintendo today just released the full opening cutscene for"
👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀
"the forgotten land DLC"
💀 💀 💀 💀 💀 💀

(It's fine, looks neat, but THAT'S NOT WHAT I WANT RIGHT NOW)

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/Kirby

[devout vault]

Will somebody please convince Nintendo to think of the poor KAR enthusiasts? They gave us just enough to spark hope being realistic, give us something substantial!

[safe dragon]

metroid prime fans were teased for nearly a decade

[ivory shadow]

Monkey paw curls. Nintendo thinks about KAR. Decides to set its retail price to $90 also.

[devout vault]

And KAR has been basically ignored since 2003, and been given very short lived false hope in forms such as the first 20 seconds of this video (note: when it was originally shown during the Rosalina smash bros reveal, the beginning of the video didn't have the smash logo intro thing). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwDt8Y2rwhI

What's your point?

Also metroid prime 4 has had actual gameplay shown recently

[devout vault]

I'd still get it.

[safe dragon]

yeah metroid prime 4 is actually releasing soon

[ivory shadow]

It was pretty funny how the KARers trailer baited people into thinking Smash at first.

[devout vault]

Honestly, that doesn't feel like a monkey paw so much as a totally expected thing given current trends

[safe dragon]

it's ok... I live by the random confirmations that nintendo does in fact know they own the golden sun franchise

[devout vault]

Yeah that was pretty funny. Revenge for that rosalina reveal I guess

I wonder what my reaction would've been if I saw it live. I didn't see it live since I was just gonna watch the direct later, woke up to this sequence of messages from my brother:

(I had also previously gotten some @ everyone ping from the KAR netplay/modding server but I didn't read it and just saw the phone notification, and assumed it was a late april fools joke or something)

[devout vault]

And KAR is this year, again, what's your point? 😛

[crystal wren]

Controversial opinion: Kirby platformers are significantly more fun than Mario ones.

*slips into the shadows*

[devout vault]

You know, I don't know anything about the golden sun franchise

[safe dragon]

[devout vault]

I mean....

[safe dragon]

neither does nintendo

the only thing the studio behind it churns out are mario tennis and mario golf games

but the fact that the studio still exists gives me false hope

[devout vault]

Well google says golden sun is from 2001, so only two years older than KAR. So maybe there's still hope?

[cinder karma]

No parsnips

What makes me sadder is no daikon

[devout vault]

But then again there are technically KAR references in smash (the dragoon pieces, and arguably Smash Run from the 3ds, as well as clearly KAR inspired menus and checklist for Smash Bros Brawl)

[safe dragon]

we got a golden sun game for the DS that was bad and it had a fuckin cliffhanger ending on top of that

there are also golden sun references in smash

[cinder karma]

I've played none of those

[crystal wren]

I feel like you would enjoy Kirby ones more...

[devout vault]

Huh, did not know that.
Kid icarus was forgotten for a while too, maybe there's hope? (1991 GB game to 2012 3DS game)

That was also sakurai, wasn't it? Maybe Sakurai is the one to hope for reviving long forgotten nintendo games

[devout vault]

See, even more similarities!

As long as you don't get as rabid as silksong fans you'll be fine. (And even then, they got an update in the direct too...)

[safe dragon]

I've played Kirby & The Amazing Mirror due to aquo and that's it

it's ok I'm also a silksong fan

[devout vault]

It's been ages since I played amazing mirror, that was fun

[crystal wren]

It took me at least three attempts to get into Hollow Knight for some reason, and I don't know why. But that last actual attempt, I game... binged through that thing.

[devout vault]

That was the one where you got all the kirby color spraypaints right?

[safe dragon]

yes

[crystal wren]

Hollow Knight? Yes.

[devout vault]

I've never played hollow knight. As mentioned previously not a huge fan of platformers just don't look at my spelunky 1/2 and terraria playtime

[fleet wren]

SILKSONG MENTIONED
WHAT THE FUCK IS A SHAW

[crystal wren]

Wow, it doesn't show my hours because I'm on Linux? That's rude.

[safe dragon]

you can turn on forcing proton compatibility for all games and I think it shows your hours then

[crystal wren]

It's actually shawl, because you're going to be knitting one. /j

[devout vault]

Get back to your containment zone in r/Silksong you animal /s

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/Silksong

[rain apex]

Do u have to switch to proton

[devout vault]

I had to resist my urge to try and preorder last night (I assume that's what you're asking) due to finances 😔

But it's okay, the only switch 2 launch exclusive that looks interesting is the new mario kart

Also, looking up amazing mirror, I discovered there are actually two kirby wikis. Fandom, and WiKirby (which is obviously superior because of the pun, and also not being Fandom)

Amazing mirror only had 14 spray paints? Can my childhood memory not be trusted??? (My childhood memory says there were multiple pages of them)

I wish nintendo didn't hate fan games, I would love to make a kirby game (even a non-KAR one).

[fleet wren]

good chance that the fandom wiki is the original one, and the non-fandom one is made by the original creators of the fandom wiki after fandom enshittified itself
(you're not allowed to delete fandom wikis or even point people to the new one, fandom will just find new management)

[devout vault]

Yeah, fandom is definitely not great. Hence why WiKirby is superior even without the pun name

[safe dragon]

escaping the grasp of fandom is always a positive

[devout vault]

Now I'm imagining an idealized kirby fan game... sigh...

[crystal wren]

The trick would be to make one, and just never release it anywhere.

[safe dragon]

just make it an absurdly elaborate romhack like people do with pokemon where it's essentially unrecognizable as the original game

[devout vault]

I guess I could if there are any decomp projects, but I don't wanna do that in assembly

Also then I would be limited by the technology of the time limitations in the emulators like amount of RAM

[pliant snow]

Only very handsome and cool people would make a Pokemon romhack

[devout vault]

That wording makes me suspicious that you have made a pokemon romhack

Reading the wiki page on Kirby GCN, I wonder what this version of it would've been like to play. Supposedly it was pretty challenging.

[cinder karma]

Knitting?

[dusty pollen]

atra summoned

[pliant snow]

What he didnt say is that everyone i made play it hated it

Tbf it was a bad first pick in hindsight, Nightmare in Dreamland wouldve been better

[safe dragon]

I was I think the only one that beat it and enjoyed it

[pliant snow]

thats just because you have good taste

[safe dragon]

😌

[cinder karma]

Tbh the one thing I don't like about discord is that you have ro to create a tiny server to get announcements

Signed: keeps missing when my favorite (only) PowerPoint streamer goes live

[sand frost]

is powerpoint streaming just livestreamed classes?

that sounds a lot like what i do in class minus the livestreaming

[cinder karma]

Yup!

I enjoy this genre of twitch

If you decided to livestream classes I would watch

[sand frost]

Probably a privacy violation (for my students) but otherwise that would be amusing

[devout vault]

Just only stream your powerpoint window, and use a voice changer on any voices that aren't yours

[thin estuary]

depending on student age, if they knew, they could make use of it to do say some dumb shit you wouldn't want on the stream

[cinder karma]

(He actually streams the lecture without students there)

[thin estuary]

yeah, streaming without students makes more sense

[dusty pollen]

students interact with lectures in stone universities?

[sand frost]

I’ve only got 9 students in one of my classes

So they can’t hide when I call on people

[cursive sigil]

this triggered my anxiety

[sonic mirage]

How are they supposed to sleep through class and absorb the knowledge just by having been present?

-# This doesn't work, believe me, I tried

[cursive sigil]

so clearly being there is pointless, should just sleep at home

[sonic mirage]

Don't bring logic into this

[safe dragon]

I tried the sleeping at home and not going to class method and it wasn't beneficial to my academic performance

[sonic mirage]

At they can say they went to class, even though they might as well not have

[cursive sigil]

i never went to classes in uni after the first year, i did go to some labs and seminars but the actual course part i never went

[sonic mirage]

The real problem is that in my easier classes I didn't need to pay attention/be awake and I still managed through the classes, so I learned that was a perfectly servicable approach

[safe dragon]

I took 4.5 years to finish a 3 year degree through the power of negligence and never showing up

[cursive sigil]

i could never pay attention when there was 1 teached talking at a huge room full of like 200 students

[sand frost]

My class sometimes involves cutting metal in class, so it’s not optional

They can’t really review that at home

[safe dragon]

try me

[cursive sigil]

yeah those were like in labs and seminars

[sonic mirage]

I would be paying 2000% more attention if I could be working on things with my hands in class

[safe dragon]

I didn't go to anything I just slept and chatted on discord and then opened the uploaded slides the day before midterms

not my best years

[cursive sigil]

i also did exactly that

[sand frost]

I actually just stare at them until one of them volunteers, if that makes you feel better

[cursive sigil]

no it does not, it makes it worse, thanks

[cinder karma]

Guess why I knit

[cursive sigil]

for most things there wasn't even a midterm just the final exam, there's always a month of like exams/final projects at the end of the semester and that's when i always went in panic mode and did everything i needed to do the entire semester for all subjects at once

by some miracle i managed to not have to repeat any years

[dusty pollen]

oh it's a class not a lecture for us lectures meant stfu and write things down

then again I stopped going to lectures in year 1 lmao

[cursive sigil]

ah that's the distinction, we would call those seminars for some reason

[dusty pollen]

we had lectures and then classes/seminars were pretty much the same thing

and tutorials are similar but smaller

[cursive sigil]

those were labs for us

[dusty pollen]

we also had labs for CS courses but they were pretty big

[cursive sigil]

labs were always small for me

[dusty pollen]

how small?

[cursive sigil]

like 10-15 people

[safe dragon]

idk what we called anything

[cursive sigil]

seminars were like 30-35

[dusty pollen]

tutorials were 2-6 people usually except for in a couple courses where they didn't manage to sort a proper size out so they did a 10 person tute

classes and seminars were anything from 10 to 30 people

[cursive sigil]

and lectures were literally all 200-300 students in that year

[dusty pollen]

yup

[cinder karma]

I believe in the cold call

Whooo

[safe dragon]

hoorcollege (lectures I guess?) was like 2 hours and idk what we called other things

[dusty pollen]

2 hour lectures sound miserable

ours were 50 minutes if they were in the maths institute and 1 hour in the CS department

[cursive sigil]

our were 3-4h 🙃

[sand frost]

My 2 hour classes which sometimes have lecture for most of it have to have something to break up that time

Sometimes it’s cutting metal, sometimes doing problems

[dusty pollen]

is cutting metal literal or a saying I don't recognise

it's hard to tell with engineers

[sand frost]

No its literal

This is a class about metal

I also made them touch metal in some of the early classes

[dusty pollen]

see I thought it could go either way lmao

[sand frost]

Using their built in heat flux detectors

[dusty pollen]

...hopefully not for the first time in their lives?

[sand frost]

Probably not! But maybe the first time they paid close attention to how cold it felt

[dusty pollen]

that's so weird to me

but then again I was always the one autistic kid who asked too many questions about everything

[cursive sigil]

make them touch grass from time to time too

[sand frost]

Grass is not a metal

We don’t care about it

[dusty pollen]

illegal, they're stem students

[sand frost]

They can care about grass in biology

[cursive sigil]

create metal grass

[dusty pollen]

the only stem people allowed to touch grass are biomedics/medics

they have social lives and go outside and stuff. gross

I shared a bathroom with a medicine student in my first year. It was basically like having my own bathroom because we were never awake in the same hours

[cinder karma]

You would like sharing a bathroom with me i suspect

(I'm ~never home and have a gym membership)

[cursive sigil]

atra you're like who my mom wants me to be

[safe dragon]

the gym membership is the easy part

[dusty pollen]

also I'd have easy access to steal all your yarn

[cursive sigil]

iro is a cat confirmed

[cinder karma]

Hey

[supple ether]

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Nesting_selector

👀

[safe dragon]

🪺

[dusty pollen]

ooo this is cool

[ivory shadow]

I'm going to assume you'll get it next Tuesday then, based on my own shipping experience. With most of that time leaving the laptop sitting in one place somewhere.

I don't know why but Framework shipped mine with "weekday delivery only" but not signature required.

[safe dragon]

their estimate is Wednesday

this is the first time in my life I've had a delivery from FedEx

I was barely aware they did delivery in my country

[ivory shadow]

FedEx is my least favorite shipping company. I hope they do well for you.

[sonic mirage]

Good luck with that, FedEx is the worst shipping company I've dealt with

[safe dragon]

I've heard

thankfully all they're shipping is delicate computer parts

[cinder karma]

Really?

[ivory shadow]

Last Christmas the local FedEx sorting center was literally tens of thousands of packages behind schedule. Right when I needed fast shipping of replacement PC parts. That was so fun.

[cinder karma]

I've never had a problem with FedEx

[sonic mirage]

That being said, the last package I got they redelivered twice and even called me after the first two failures (due to requiring a signature) to see if I was going to be available for the third

It might just come down to the company/person they've subcontracted out to in your area

[ivory shadow]

FedEx, at least around where I live, doesn't have a union and conditions for their employees are not good.

[sonic mirage]

At my old place they'd not even try once and just tell me to pick it up at their distribution center

[ivory shadow]

I try to get things shipped via UPS when I can just based on them having a union and hearing so much better things from the drivers.

[sonic mirage]

UPS is pretty good, and I've had family work their entire lives there

[ivory shadow]

But also UPS actually delivers all my stuff on time, so that's appreciated too, lol

[marble jewel]

I've had issues with them leaving a notice that I didn't answer during a time when I was home and waiting for the package. They just immediately said they could not deliver without ever bothering to knock on my door.

[sonic mirage]

Yeah they did that at my old place multiple times

[marble jewel]

I guess they expected met to be waiting for them at the door before they arrived

[safe dragon]

our deliveries are mostly dominated by PostNL and DHL. DHL kinda sucks

[ivory shadow]

Whenever someone tries shipping me something via DHL, it gets handed off to USPS for the final delivery

[sonic mirage]

I think DHL in the US is only an intermediary now and has USPS do their last mile anymore

[safe dragon]

interesting

[sonic mirage]

They used to do last mile back in the day

[safe dragon]

I pray this happens here so I don't have to deal with DHL claiming I'm not home when I am anymore

[cinder karma]

You pray that the united states postal service delivers your mail?

I pray that they start a banking service tbh

[safe dragon]

ok no the dutch postal service in my case... (postnl)

[ivory shadow]

The FedEx tracking for my laptop. It actually really annoyed me at the time

It took like 26 hours to make it all the way from Taiwan to Flint, MI (the local sort facility they use for me).

Then it took 49 hours to travel an additional 52 miles within Michigan. And then, despite arriving at the local facility early enough to make the truck, they didn't load it for delivery and just left it sitting there another 24 hours.

I realize a flight is going to be faster than not-a-flight, but I absolutely could've gotten it a day earlier at least.

[safe dragon]

I fully expect mine to get stuck at customs for a while

[ivory shadow]

I was shocked mine didn't.

But I guess it's that government efficiency from firing everyone. No one left to say "Hey you gotta leave that here for us to check it" /s

[safe dragon]

my package's journey so far

it's been in 3 countries so far

but supposedly in transit right now to the netherlands

considering i live like a 1 hour drive from where they arrive you'd think it'd arrive before wednesday

[sonic mirage]

You'd think they'd be slowest in Flint

[devout vault]

Clearly you didn't do it right.

You just need to astrally projection to the classroom while you're sleeping, or something.

Also after I saw the college procrastination talk earlier I wanted to link the procrastination presentation on Dropout's Smartypants (S2E1), but alas, the episode is paywalled

[devout vault]

<insert joke about a class where you learn to touch grass>

Aaaand a touch grass joke was already made. The curse of backreading 😔

[fleet wren]

we can always use more reminders of tactile interactions with herbaceous verdure

[devout vault]

Hey, it's against the rules to use that many big words in a sentence outside of scientific papers that most people won't understand anyways.

[fleet wren]

does that mean fantasy writers are fugitives

[devout vault]

The rules only apply to people of this world. Fantasy writers are all writing stories about the world they came from before being here, so they're exempt.

Also I'm not sure how much fantasy I've read that uses Lots of Big Words™️, besides when I read The Last Phycisist recently

[devout vault]

Bad news for Web and Sketch fans: Godot 4 apparently still doesn't support C# when doing web export. 😔 Nobody would take it seriously if I made it in GDscript, and as you all know Web and Sketch is an extremely ambitious project aiming to take over as a communications platform worldwide. The long-term scope and totally not just the evil route options would be impractical to do with GDscript unfortunately.

[dusty pollen]

time to learn javascript, I think

[cursive sigil]

Whatever will we do when discord explodes???

[cinder karma]

go outside and talk to people in person

or, I don't know, take a flight to your favorite discord friend's porch

books a flight to chicago

[pliant snow]

IRC

[devout vault]

<flashbacks to the dumb IRC bot game I made ages ago>

[dusty pollen]

steal their yarn!

[cinder karma]

I'm stealing yours

[dusty pollen]

I’m pretty sure I still end up being the one profiting if we both steal each other’s yarn

[sand frost]

Really everyone would profit if you stole my yarn, because it’s just sitting here

[lethal walrus]

preposterous! https://pyscript.net/

[devout vault]

It has come to my attention that I lied that other day, and that I only have 64 GB RAM. 😔

[cyan shadow]

Check the customs website for exceptions, iirc the threshold is higher for electronics

[safe dragon]

the package is currently in India...

brings the country count up to 4

idk customs stuff. All I know is that my keyboard got held up there and that's a fraction of the price of this laptop

[cyan shadow]

Ah
Well that's unfortunate

[dusty pollen]

there's also flask, which I equally refuse to acknowledge

[lethal walrus]

flask is backendw though

[dusty pollen]

ngl I wasn’t sure if we were talking about backend or frontend and (and don’t let wren overhear this) I also refuse to acknowledge frontend exists

[lethal walrus]

do you just use the internet through curl

[dusty pollen]

can’t I just be a hypocrite

[safe dragon]

technically curl also has a frontend

hmm no I guess it's a web only term?

[dusty pollen]

I think frontend implies gui, not just any interface

[safe dragon]

[dusty pollen]

but I’m not sure tbh

I think more things should have TUIs

[safe dragon]

I suppose even a backend api would be frontend if you included any kind of interface

a tui for photoshop

[dusty pollen]

would honestly slap

[safe dragon]

would be a bizarre user experience

[dusty pollen]

the user experience I dream of every time I use a graphics program

just let me do things consistently via text

[safe dragon]

very well. a photoshop LLM bot coming your way

[dusty pollen]

this is why half the time I give up and make myself a base version in desmos

because I prefer writing my own 3d wireframe viewer in desmos than dealing with perspective in procreate or photoshop

[safe dragon]

what kinda arcane shit are you doing in any of these 3 programs

desmos is for drawing graphs right...

3D wireframes in photoshop or procreate??

so many questions

[pliant snow]

you just want openscad

[dusty pollen]

yeah

and it honestly isn't that difficult to turn a 2d graphing calculator into a 3d one

and from there you can build what you want

and then screenshot

and trace in procreate

[rain apex]

Iro have you considered just installing blender

[dusty pollen]

no

next question

if my desmos account wasn't my irl name I would have shared some of what I made

[rain apex]

How about writing a fbx by hand

[dusty pollen]

fbx?

actually I made a new desmos account just for you guys

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/yrfaqeiqbm

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/zm29qn3uee

[devout vault]

…I feel like a vector art program makes way more sense than a literal graphing calculator.

(Sure, that would go against what you said about text based vs not, but I am truly Baffled ™️ )

[safe dragon]

wtf

[dusty pollen]

you guys have no appreciation for art

[safe dragon]

I am appreciating it

[dusty pollen]

I have at some point edited svgs but I did do it directly

like, editing the raw svg data

I can’t remember why though

[safe dragon]

hubris

[dusty pollen]

also idk if you guys noticed but the skull one is interactive

you can drag the middle dot around

[dusty pollen]

I feel like that time I had a reason

[safe dragon]

I'm on a phone rn so it will have to wait

[dusty pollen]

genuinely can’t remember what it was

[dusty pollen]

works on phones! I edit these exclusively via mobile lmao

well, ipad

[rain apex]

It doesn't work very well at my screen size but i appreciate the effort

[safe dragon]

arcane stuff

idk what I'm doing but I'm moving lines around

[devout vault]

That just makes it worse

[cinder karma]

Has anyone tried this

https://www.doit.me/

[safe dragon]

I'm not organized enough for this

[leaden marsh]

Same

[crystal wren]

In theory, this looks great...

In practice, I think it would be worse for me than not using it.

Installed it to have a look, aaaannnnd I'm instantly out for the principle of it. No end-to-end encryption unless you pay, so no thank you!

[cinder karma]

Yeah, I'm considering buying lifetime taskito but one thing I don't like about taskito is the lack of a desktop interface

Okay. Payment is lifetime so I'm fine with that

[crystal wren]

It's not even that I'm against a cheap subscription type deal, but more that... don't charge for such a basic, baseline feature that you already had to make, you know?

[cinder karma]

Fair!

I'm fairly against the idea of having subscriptions but don't mind the idea of paying for software

[cinder karma]

Dh, what do you use currently?

Oh my god I logged into my workflowy and there are undone tasks from 2015

[cinder karma]

I don't have an official diagnosis of adhd but I have a graveyard of planners and planning apps does that help

[safe dragon]

I actually don't think anyone I know with adhd that maintains planners

[crystal wren]

Yeah, I don't have a diagnosis (though everyone I've talked to, even doctors, is effectively 100% certain about it) of it, but... I use nothing, because they don't work!

[safe dragon]

honestly really I don't know many people that maintain planners in general

unless a google calendar with meetings and birthdays already counts

[cinder karma]

Right now I'm in a situation where I'm primarily using a paper and pen situation

Followed by Google calendar for appointment

Followd by Microsoft calender for work appointments

Followed by an actual random onenote page for work items

[safe dragon]

not bad

my sister did do journaling for several months I think and it seemed to help her

[cinder karma]

This is chaos. It works only because I have an insanely good memory and even then I paid my damn taxes with only two days to go

I haven't replaced my car battery and that has been a todo item for six fucking months

[safe dragon]

ah well relatable

I'm an expert at procrastinating anything that doesn't have immediate consequences

I'm already going through a major change right now where I do my laundry as I build up dirty laundry instead of doing laundry when I run out of things that are clean

[cinder karma]

Wait you're supposed to ....

does laundry when they don't have enough clean clothing to get through the next three days

[safe dragon]

I understand

I'm still going through this change

I'm trying

hmm

apparently pewdiepie is an arch linux user the hyprland window manager

that was not on my bingo card but ok

[cinder karma]

Now the question is: can I work slack into the system

[safe dragon]

of course

slack reminder bot

[devout vault]

Does the "list of things I've been super interested in doing before moving onto another thing, just in the past week" that has 10 entries that I sent a friend recently count?

[safe dragon]

no but that's very adhd coded

that's not so much a planner as it is a backlog

[devout vault]

stuffs my "fiction to consume" backlog (which consists of way too many browser tabs) under a couch

[cinder karma]

Ugh, why can't I have a planner that trivially supports "on the first Saturday of the month"

[devout vault]

I literally don't know how big said backlog is because I haven't bothered putting it onto it's own window to have the tab counter useful for it

But it's dozens, at minimum

Video games, books, and anime

I think a few manga too

[devout vault]

My calendar app supports that, not sure if it's on android

[cinder karma]

My default Google app supports that but it doesn't support unbound tasks that don't have a timeslot

Vs the new app I'm trying out

Which has the all important unbound tasks

[devout vault]

It also has some options I hadn't noticed before, like the Xth weekday or weekend of the month

[cinder karma]

And does NOT let me have "review finances" first Saturday of the month

Anyways

[cinder karma]

So, willing to share the new interests?

[lethal walrus]

ooh proton has quite fancy repeating calendar things

[safe dragon]

I want dates relative to the last full moon

[remote aspen]

somehow in my want to create a spreadsheet with all my modded crops and trees i have started learning python i guess

[strange copper]

Python scripting is so convenient

I made it write markdown for me earlier today

[devout vault]

It looks like the Shortcuts app on iOS can do this with a little fiddling - it has some sort of scripting and it looks like you could have a shortcut that triggers every saturday, and then check if it's one of the first seven days of the month.

Can't recall if you're iOS or Android though

[devout vault]

(Obviously you'd fill it with 01, 02, etc. I was lazy.
I also set the format for the checked date to dd)

[remote aspen]

it's so cool actually and much more simple than I thought but obviously I'm relying on Google and stuff a lot LOL... didn't know exporting data from a bunch of crops.json files would be so difficult, full of errors

[devout vault]

This is the message I sent (plus a few minutes later I had realized I forgot to put the potential kirby fangame on the list).

This was two days ago. Yesterday there was also some VR interest, since I discovered that there's:

1. Software that lets you put specific regions as passthrough, so I could see my keyboard/mouse all the time (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1844610/Reality_Mixer__Mixed_Reality_for_VR_headsets/), or software that lets you put a keyboard/mouse model as an overlay and also your hands, so you can see them at all times (not sure how well it'd work especially with mouse because of it moving though, without adding somrt sort of tracking thing to it) (https://store.steampowered.com/app/2532240/Infuse_VR/)
2. Things like this, which is amazing since my main problem with VR even seated is my sweatiness + lenses fogging up from that. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CSY8PD63

For the second software listed in number 1, I imagine I could do some sort of marker on the mouse/keyboard and use computer vision to find it for positioning? Like this sort of thing (random image from google images)

But I imagine for that route I'd have to code my own app... but it being possible is intriguing

The mouse one would likely be blocked if my hand was covering it, but like, at that point I don't need to find it since my mouse is likely in my hand

[strange copper]

Hey but you're sticking with it and learning something and that's great!

[dusty pollen]

is it a subscription? because in that case, what happens if the subscription runs out?

[dusty pollen]

I tried a physical bullet journal, todoist, and Giving Up™️

[devout vault]

Meme from the theoretical future of Nintendo releasing KAR amiibos

(Yes I'm KAR brainrotting again, why do you ask?)

[dusty pollen]

also, the real million dollar ADHD question is actually

have you ever said that caffeine (/ any other stimulant) makes you sleepy /hj

"twitter from the future"

[devout vault]

Yeah, in the future someone is gonna steal Twitter and restore the branding

[cinder karma]

[devout vault]

But that's not as significant as KAR amiibos

[cinder karma]

Yes, actually

[rain apex]

who is your favorite kirby character besides kirby

[cinder karma]

It is technically a subscription yes but

[devout vault]

I'm not sure I've ever had any substantial amount of caffeine so I'm not sure for me. My soda of choice was sprite, and I don't like coffee

[devout vault]

Blue kirby

[cinder karma]

(1) they don't use their servers, they actually just use your Google drive

(2) they offer lifetime

[worn remnant]

meta knight, obviously

[dusty pollen]

hmm, if they don't use their servers then I'm a bit confused about the end to the encryption

but I'm still confused about what happens when a subscription runs out. If it's encrypted correctly they can't exactly just decrypt it until you give them the password again

[devout vault]

Meta Knight is a solid choice, but I have too much trauma from that being my older brother's preferred character in super smash bros brawl (note: we did not pay attention to the competitive scene or tier lists, and he discovered him before that really took off anyways)

And we got Brawl day 1

And by day 1, I mean while my dad and that brother went to church, my mom and twin brother and I skipped and went to Target to pick up a launch copy.

[worn remnant]

when they announced him for brawl i lost my mind. then the game came out and i became very sad when nobody would let me play him cause he was busted good

[devout vault]

(Though we waited for older brother to get back to play)

I'm pretty sure we unlocked all the characters and stuff through the playtime requirements without even touching subspace emissary for unlocking things 😛

[worn remnant]

(it was also sad that he was so top tier but also kind of not my style to play. the release of brawl was a sad time for me)

[devout vault]

Clearly you just needed to install an overhaul mod. /s
(I know people swear by Project M but I much prefer the chaos that is Brawl Minus.)

[dusty pollen]

so. atra. how's the brioche knitting going

[cinder karma]

Tbh if someone looks at my todo list it's all boring

[devout vault]

...knitting... bread?

[dusty pollen]

if they're going to say things we can't understand we should do it back to them

[devout vault]

Did we invent bread yarn

[cinder karma]

Took a break from the brioche to knit a pile of hats!

[dusty pollen]

I have contemplated trying to knit a bread or cake dough tbh

[devout vault]

That gives me big "3d printing with chocolate" energy

[cinder karma]

Cheesy bread yarn

Iro

You have to do it.

[devout vault]

...ugh, I suddenly want cheesy bread

I blame you atra

[dusty pollen]

counterpoint: I have literally never baked bread and don't intend to start now

[devout vault]

Alas, I just ordered dominos yesterday 😔 (yes, there was cheesy bread, no, I don't still have any).

[dusty pollen]

tbh I don't love the dominos cheesy bread

[devout vault]

How does knitting bread work. Do you knit bread after being baked, or do you knit the dough and then bake it

I feel like both would have problems without specially designed for knitting bread dough

[cinder karma]

Okay! The atra school for bread baking starts tomorrow

[dusty pollen]

I assume you would do it before baking, like a challah

[cinder karma]

Except it doesnt

Because I have work

And it's fucking summer in Texas

So we aren't turning on the fucking oven until October

[dusty pollen]

obviously you can't use needles and knit the normal way so you'd be better off finger knitting

[devout vault]

I don't know what that is but I'll take your word for it

[dusty pollen]

Jewish bread, it's braided

[cinder karma]

Fun fact I actually braid normal bread dough too

[devout vault]

To be honest you could take out "summer in" and you'd still have my sympathy

[dusty pollen]

ironically it's actually similar to a brioche so we've gone full circle

[devout vault]

Bread hat? Bread sweater?? Bread socks???

[cinder karma]

It's brioche's Jewish cousin tbh

[dusty pollen]

https://tenor.com/view/challah-bread-jewish-rosh-hashanah-jewish-bakery-jewish-new-year-gif-9805662

[devout vault]

Oh, that sort of bread knitting

[cinder karma]

Next door is pannettone

[devout vault]

That's boring and not what I wanted to imagine

[cinder karma]

The posh, more successful cousin

[dusty pollen]

unfortunately, Casey, actual brioche knitting will bore you much more than this

[cinder karma]

Actually knitting will likely either bore you

[devout vault]

If I were okay with AI imagery I'd go make some images to show what I mean

[cinder karma]

Or be the solution to paying attention in lecture

[devout vault]

Given my ADHD brain speed lately, I concur

[cinder karma]

Meanwhile, the futures market

[devout vault]

Oh, are you doing research for that mod? /s

[cinder karma]

Anyways

A theoretical mod I won't write for five full years is boring

[devout vault]

I'm suddenly remembering one of my comp sci classes, where I saw a person in the row in front of me playing Dwarf Fortress (pre-graphical steam release days)

[cinder karma]

Tell me about Minecraft magic mods

[devout vault]

Well, I'm not gonna explain the idea I mentioned earlier because like I said it's way too big of an idea 😛

[cinder karma]

Or Minecraft computer mod

[dusty pollen]

behold: brioche knitting

[devout vault]

Existing ones tend to range from "tech with magic flavor" to "actually feeling like magic"

[dusty pollen]

I like "magic with tech flavour" vibes in stories. like people systematically studying magic

[devout vault]

One of the OG magic mods, Thaumcraft, has had so many versions, but hasn't been up to date for a while. One of the modding teams supposedly got permission from the original dev to do a redesign/remake for a new version, but nobody knows when that's releasing

[devout vault]

Yeah, I do too, "hard magic" systems honestly makes much more sense to me than "soft magic" systems (like Harry Potter). Like, if it exists, why wouldn't people study to figure out the rules behind it and such

[cinder karma]

I once had a fanfiction that tried to make a functioning hard magic system in Harry Potter

[devout vault]

I guess you could make arguments about it being connected to entities on another plane and therefore not having steadfast rules or something, but I feel like you could still infer a bunch. And like, it's not like a bunch of stuff today is fully understood either (like gravity and magnets, at least last I heard)

[cinder karma]

It contained the line "I'm not going to close my eyes and think of benzene."

[dusty pollen]

I mean Harry potter was just a bad magic system there are "soft" magic systems that are way less shit

[devout vault]

That being said, in the scale I mentioned, I was referring to what felt like tech mod but had a thin magic theming. Like, it didn't even feel mystical or anything, it was just a branding type of thing

[cinder karma]

Fair!

So how would you make Minecraft feel magical

[dusty pollen]

oh yeah I got you, the ADHD just chimed in

[devout vault]

As it does

[devout vault]

I don't know. My idea in particular would probably end up being sort of a hybrid between the two extremes.

Leaning more towards soft magic in the beginning, and more towards hard magic towards the end game

(As you start to understand the rules of the system, essentially)

[dusty pollen]

ngl I like the idea of magic being something that inherently defies the regular causation laws of science and therefore being unstudiable by science too

like maybe magic just makes a certain goal happen regardless of what needs to happen to get to it, as opposed to science being about events and consequences

[devout vault]

One of the hard parts being coming up with a good research system that is fun to go through, and doesn't feel like a repetitive slog on subsequent playthroughs (looking at you, certain Thaumcraft versions)

[worn remnant]

i bake bread constantly and don't intend to stop. don't ever come in contact with me or the antimatter explosion will be catastrophic

[dusty pollen]

are you baking bread right now

[worn remnant]

constantly.

[cinder karma]

Ichor, I would like some bread

Do you do sourdough

[dusty pollen]

if I were to ever try baking bread would you spontaneously stop for exactly the duration I bake for

[devout vault]

Me too. But I feel like you could still figure out some rules/relationships, unless literally everything requires the exact same amount of mana (or cost of some sort)

[worn remnant]

i am a Sourdough Guy and i was doing it before it was cool! (pre-pandemic)

[devout vault]

Like, the more you defy the natural laws, the more magic power you need

And you could come up with different ways to do things.

[dusty pollen]

I'm thinking of a system where there are no hard "mana"/cost requirements basically but that would much better in a pre written story than an interactive medium haha

[cinder karma]

My other favorite magic system was the breaking symmetries one

[devout vault]

Like, sure, you might could create water from thin air, but it might be easier to convert water vapor in the air to liquid

[worn remnant]

being a sourdough guy is also my excuse for "constantly", since at most times i have something on bulk ferment

[cinder karma]

From noether's theorem

[cinder karma]

I wish I could be a sourdough person

[devout vault]

Yeah, I like the idea of systems without hard numbers and such, but you can't really do that well with a video game mechanic (barring stuff like visual novels)

[cinder karma]

Maybe one day. Five years from now. When I'm living in a tiny commune

[cinder karma]

Okay I'm too much of a nerd

[dusty pollen]

noether rings a bell

isn't that the maths haiku person

[devout vault]

I don't know much about sourdough besides vague knowledge of memes about starters.

Speaking of sourdough starters, I'm suddenly thinking about that segment in the first game changer episode of this season 😛

[devout vault]

What was that system like?

[devout vault]

Are you telling me there's another MathPerson in these parts? Do we have a Poetic MathPerson secretly lurking?

[dusty pollen]

a dozen, a gross and a score
plus three times the square root of four
divided by seven
plus five times eleven
is nine squared and not a bit more

the person who wrote that one

[junior bay]

what's "givey"?

[devout vault]

I don't know what a gross is in this context

[dusty pollen]

and it isn't, that's someone called Leigh Mercer apparently

[devout vault]

Or givey, but I assumed that was a typo

[worn remnant]

i don't know what the sourdough starter memes are but they're probably mostly true. /lh
sourdough persons are always inventing reasons to invite people to their ted talks, lmao

[dusty pollen]

gross = 144
givey = I'm on mobile

[junior bay]

there;s a video about this on youtube

by veritasium

[devout vault]

Vaguely speaking (again, not something I'm not knowledgeable in):

• Stuff about how easy/hard it is (with people on both ends of the argument)
• Stuff about how long it does/doesn't take
• Probably some stuff about it being superior to other bread forms, or something

[devout vault]

I don't know what those words mean in that order, but that doesn't sound very magic-y to me

[cinder karma]

I'll bet. But yeah, it was about magic being able to break or bend the conservation laws

[devout vault]

You tricked me into thinking you knew of some fiction with a cool new magic system 😔 (Maybe I should've known better since it was you? 😛 )

(Or at least I've never gotten the impression you read much fiction, especially fantasy)

[cinder karma]

Cool new magic system or Atra really liking their quantum mechanics professor, pick one

[dusty pollen]

applied maths

yucky

-# /lh

[cinder karma]

One of us is employed, iro

(Sorry. Low blow)

[dusty pollen]

no that was an excellent response

[devout vault]

Shoutout to the most recent actual book I read: https://www.amazon.com/Last-Physicist-Gamelit-Fantasy-Adventure-ebook/dp/B091P52QPM

Just sad it is very clearly set up to be a series, but was published 4 years ago and is still the only entry 😔

[dusty pollen]

10/10 would make fun of applied maths again

[devout vault]

If I had noticed that before I read it I might not have read it

[heavy dagger]

Title result: The Last Physicist: A Gamelit/Portal Fantasy Adventure (The Archon Book 1) | with a 4.5/5 rating (1,559 reviews)

[devout vault]

(Take out /lh)

[dusty pollen]

so you agree pure maths is the best kind of maths, Casey?

[devout vault]

Uh, no

It's worse

The only good kind of math is the kind abstracted away so I don't have to worry about it

[cinder karma]

(I did read plenty of fantasy....as a child.)

[dusty pollen]

hmm you are incorrect but I'll forgive you

[cinder karma]

(One day I'll get back to that.)

[devout vault]

"Why did you study computer science then?" I was tricked into thinking it was pure programming!

[cinder karma]

(Reading fiction and not nonfiction)

Oh dear

[devout vault]

If I never see Big-O notation stuff again, it'll be too soon

[cinder karma]

Compsci is more than a little mathy

[dusty pollen]

some of us studied joint computer science and maths because they couldn't pick and ended up not doing any of the applied parts of either one

[cinder karma]

I loved algorithms

Some of my favorite professors

[dusty pollen]

because the joint degree didn't include those parts

[cinder karma]

(That I never got to meet in person)

😦

[worn remnant]

lmao this absolutely tracks, especially easy/hard

[devout vault]

The requirements of compsci at my college not only gave you a minor in math automatically, but if I remember right made it not too hard to go a bit further for another major

[dusty pollen]

I continue to have no understanding of how the minor and major system works

[devout vault]

I should add a disclaimer that I enjoyed most of discrete math. But that's not as number-y and doesn't count

[cinder karma]

Anyways. Past an atra bedtime

[dusty pollen]

but this degree was 50/50

[devout vault]

(And note I said "most". Don't ask me to do anything with matrices, I will go crying to Elizabeth like the last two times I needed them for a mod)

[dusty pollen]

I like matrices

[devout vault]

Algorithms and data structures was fun. Calculating their efficiency and such? Not so much

[dusty pollen]

they make everything feel so systematic

[devout vault]

I really liked several of my CS professors, one of the few people I still talk to from college was one of them

[devout vault]

@sand frost can verify my math modding woes

[cinder karma]

You can also come to me for matrices

[devout vault]

Does anyone

[cinder karma]

Tbh

I enjoyed linear algbra

[devout vault]

What kind of nonsense is linear algebra anyways. You already do algebra on a single line anyways /s

[dusty pollen]

why can you get a degree in a subject but spend a bunch of your time taking courses from other subjects

I do not understand

[cinder karma]

Tbh if the first mental breakdown hadn't happened I probably would have picked up a physics minor as well

Oh well. I'm too old for regrets in life

[dusty pollen]

and what is gen ed

the us university system confuses me

[cinder karma]

You're supposed to be well rounded

[dusty pollen]

at uni???

[cinder karma]

Yup

[dusty pollen]

why

[devout vault]

Probably related to the reason they require a bunch of courses that are completely unrelated to your degree.

To be fair, I can see the argument about making CS students take classes on other stuff, given current tech trends with the way powerful tech people often are

[cinder karma]

Liberal arts system

[devout vault]

And I did enjoy a bunch of those. (ie. the ones I actually took and didn't postpone until I ended up dropping out)

[dusty pollen]

we had a mandatory ethics course as part of the CS degree but it was a special CS one

[cinder karma]

(I didn't mind. It was fun! Until it wasn't)

[devout vault]

I was considering that too. Mental health go brrrr

I think after my first psychology class I was planning on getting a minor in that. I know I took another class or two and enjoyed it

[cinder karma]

Tbh it's not like a physics minor would help me in life now

[dusty pollen]

mental health go brr indeed, I would have done a lot differently if I was a functional human at uni haha

[devout vault]

Mine too!

[cinder karma]

Like, I am a physics person at work even without a physics minor lol

[devout vault]

It might've helped me with actually making progress on one of my KAR clone projects

[cinder karma]

It's fun!

[cinder karma]

Casey, as someone who has taken significant physics

It wouldn't.

[devout vault]

"at uni" implies you are now... imagine growing past who you were at college, smh ignoring my transition stuff for the bit

[dusty pollen]

but the UK basically lets you stop wasting your time with mandatory subjects at age 16, after that you pick what you want to learn

[cinder karma]

It would help you know how muons interact with the upper atmosphere

And do jack of all for mechanics, which I learned first semester and never touched again

[dusty pollen]

nuh uh it implies you can stop being a well rounded person at that age and never get back to it

[devout vault]

Huh, really? I would say that sounds better from my impression of the US, but I literally did not go to public school after 1/2 through my first semester of 6th grade, so...

[devout vault]

I've never been a well rounded person. Unless you count my body, in which case I have indeed gotten rounder as I've gotten older

[cinder karma]

I took physics all the way up to quantum mechanics, then quantum mechanics at a grad level. Over the last year for work I've needed to polish up quite a bit of my modern physics

[cinder karma]

Tbh I'm not sure it's important to be a well rounded person

[dusty pollen]

yeah, my A Levels (basically the stuff you learn/tests you do ages 16-18) were maths, further maths, CS, and physics, but it was fully optional what to do

[devout vault]

A year ago I would've thought that was crazy that you need to know that stuff for EE. But after my wikipedia rabbithole a couple months ago that started with learning modern cutting edge circuitry has to account for quantum tunneling, I'm not that surprised (though it still baffles me)

[dusty pollen]

my last essay was written at age 16

[cinder karma]

Quantum is normal. Modern is more odd but necessary for us.

[devout vault]

Well, I certainly think it's better not to be a well rounded person in the sense I was talking about (purely for health reasons) 😛

[devout vault]

Wow. Even in college I had essays meant for being worked on across several weeks that I actually threw together in a hour or two the night before

[cinder karma]

Meanwhile me doing radio lol

In college!

I also square danced

[devout vault]

<insert that dropout smartypants presentation about procrastinating that I mentioned the other day>

[cinder karma]

I didn't see this?

Anyways, now that I enter real life hood

[devout vault]

What's the difference?

Admittedly before a couple months ago I didn't realize that atomic level things were technically included in QM. I had thought it was purely sub-proton/electron/etc. level stuff

[cinder karma]

I....have no use for the French I learned

[dusty pollen]

counterpoint: you lose certain "jolly older witch you stumbled into in the forest" vibes /lh

but ngl I've always been more drawn to granny weatherwax vibes than nanny ogg vibes for my own aesthetic

[devout vault]

Unfortunately I looked and the full presentation isn't on youtube

[dusty pollen]

I refuse to elaborate on that statement any further

[devout vault]

It's the last third of season 2 episode 1 of Smartypants if you have/get a Dropout subscription though

[cinder karma]

I think of quantum mechanics as "how tiny things behave" and modern as "okay now toss in an insane amount of energy" but that is my take on it

Well, I refuse to get a dropout subscription

I would not have paid for a todo list app if it was a subscription tbh

Also I'm highly considering paying for my strength training tracking app only because it isn't a subscription

It's lifetime

[devout vault]

Hmm, but I'd rather be a ditzy little cute witch 😛

[cinder karma]

(I've never used an app for runs, that has been lifelong pen and paper)

[dusty pollen]

ngl I'd rather be the librarian. Ultimate vibes

[devout vault]

(I have only within the past week or two figured out a vague sense of the vibe I'd want for myself aesthetically... and am limited by the technology of my times my body 😛 )

[cinder karma]

I still think a nice cat ear beret makes sense for you

[dusty pollen]

(he got turned into an orangutan by a stray curse and decided he actually prefers this form so refuses to get changed back. also he hates people trying to read the books in the library)

[cinder karma]

Anyways

[devout vault]

That's fair, though it's only $7/mo (or $6 if you subscribe before May 7 - they're letting anyone subscribed before that date keep the old price)

[cinder karma]

pondering if I should pay for the lifting app

[dusty pollen]

I always liked the unseen university stuff but once I went to the university it's parodying I liked it even more

[cinder karma]

or the Chinese app

[dusty pollen]

how much is it?

[cinder karma]

$70 lifetime

[dusty pollen]

hmm, not terrible but not cheap

[cinder karma]

Yeah

[devout vault]

And they're actually pro-password sharing oddly enough, so if you're interested I can share my account with you. (note: this offer is extended specifically to atra, the rest of you here don't have a high enough heart level with me 😛 )

[cinder karma]

Thanks, but I also know I won't get around to watching anything

[dusty pollen]

two hearts seems awfully low to be allowed to break into someone's house

how many hearts is a dropout subscription share

0.3? 7?

[devout vault]

This vaguely reminds me of that vending machine isekai anime, where he seems to have an option for telepathy and maybe one day even becoming human but is avoiding the former and isn't sure he even wants the latter. (Though it largely seems to be feeling like he'll drive people away then, especially if he didn't have vending machine powers anymore to be useful to them, so perhaps a little bit of therapy or something would help with that 😛 )

[devout vault]

Never seen these before but they do look cute. I've never been much of a hat person but I've never been much of a anything fashion adjacent person either, so...

[devout vault]

Kind hard to say, since this reality seems to be a not-easily-quantifiable kind like we talked about with magic earlier (the one about it being fun for stories but not great for game mechanics)

I'm also very much of the opinion that relationships aren't that one dimensional. Like, you could like and care about someone a lot but not trust them as far as you can throw them, for example.

(This sort of thought applies to many other things too for me. Like, attractiveness - it's why I don't really comprehend the whole 10 point scale thing a lot of people seem to use)

[devout vault]

I like how when I google "cat ear beret" the first result is berets for cats on Amazon

[worn remnant]

i mostly eschew rankings in general. like, do not ask me to name a top ten or top five or whatever of anything. the best you will get from me is a vague bucket like "top tier" or "really good", a category in which all entries are unsorted

[devout vault]

But like, I do like this for example. (Though part of it might be the fair being in the picture - looking at the images tab, I do seem like most of the ones with hair (whether an actual person or a model like this picture) more than I do the ones that are just the hat itself)

[worn remnant]

"favorite X" is also dangerous. the best i can do is "favorite X right now"

[devout vault]

Yeah, same here.

That being said, sometimes I still might be able to recognize "number one spot" sort of thing for things that are subjective. Some things that isn't the case for (like "number one favorite food"), but a couple things I can think of one (like attractiveness (purely appearance aspects, anyways), there is a specific person I have in mind for that and have for... as long as I've been attracted to anyone, essentially)

(Also re: attraction, I've never quite understood the obsession a lot of people have with celebrities on that front, I find people I actually have met and know in person easily surpass any celebrity)

Looking at the cat ear berets more, I wish I had even the smallest amount of fashion sense to know how to put things together. 😅 (And didn't dislike my body enough to feel that it invalidates literally any look I could go for, but hey, that's what therapy is for I guess)

[sand frost]

matrices!!

[devout vault]

runs away in fear

(Congratulations everyone, you're now free from my rambling in this channel... for now)

If an image of matrices gets pinned I might never return

(That or I'll just unpin it via power abuse, but then I'd have to look at the image long enough to find the button)

[sand frost]

what if they're friendly matrices

[devout vault]

My fear of matrices is deeply engrained and has no regard for the complexities of reality

[sand frost]

we could disguise them as vectors

are vectors friendlier?

[devout vault]

As long as I don't see any complex math with them. The only thing allowed is storing coordinates

I will make an exception for atan2, but that's it

Also, while we're at it. Quaternions are banned too

[sand frost]

Is rotation allowed?

[devout vault]

I'm seeing a potential line of jokes about only allowing operations on individual components, leading to abstracting those away behind functions, leading to abstracting behind data structures which may or may not bear a striking resemblance to matrices/quaternions.

But I'm not knowledgeable enough to follow through with that line of jokes (unlike with the evil arc for etch and sketch discord the other day). And it would also dilute the bit of me being scared of math with me turning into what I swore to destroy instead.

[cinder karma]

Why is math something to be destroyed?

[cinder karma]

Update: I paid for the lowest tier of the Chinese app

Sigh

I understand people have to make money but

[cursive sigil]

you weren't strong enough

[safe dragon]

oh

ok the entire video summed up is that you will now be able to do this

person?.name = "new name";

[wooden vector]

holy clickbait

[safe dragon]

only assign a value to name if person is not null

neat I suppose

I'm sure I'll use it

though 90% of the time it's better to just have an early return if an object is null

[wooden vector]

and given the null checking already in the language, it seems like a nothingburger

[safe dragon]

it's a minor convenience update

[wooden vector]

Syntactical sugar is nice and all, my issue is how dumb the title of the YT movie is

[safe dragon]

average nick chapsas clickbait

[dusty pollen]

especially since literally nothing has to change

[safe dragon]

it has no impact on performance either

it's not more fault tolerant...

I'll use it when it's convenient but I ain't refactoring my applications for it

[dusty pollen]

yeah, just syntactic sugar

it's like saying this about += lmao

[thin estuary]

i've definitely ran into this particular thing before though

nice that it's happening

[safe dragon]

it is

[dusty pollen]

it's always nice not to have to write three lines for something trivial you do all the time

love when languages add those features

[cinder karma]

Fuck yeahhhhh

You have no clue how much I've wanted thissssss

[dusty pollen]

case in point

[safe dragon]

maybe it changes everything after all then

[sonic mirage]

I'm actually surprised this wasn't already possible, but that just shows that the use cases for it are probably on the smaller side

[marble jewel]

I don't blame Nick for doing the clickbait. Whether it's typical YouTube user behavior or the algorithm at play here, he is directly incentivized to produce such headlines. Imagine if your paycheck varied depending on your pull request summaries, you'd sure as hell optimize that to ensure you are getting paid well rather than less or not at all.

At least when you get into the video, it's still interesting content/coverage on topics I'm interested in.

Clickbait to me is when the video entices me to watch, but there's no payoff.

[devout vault]

(Please ignore that almost all modern technology is basically impossible without advanced math. I want the positive without the negative)