programmers-off-topic

[ivory shadow]

My parents have a business and they use my printer for printing invoices and stuff. And, of course... I've had it for like 13 years now.

A normal person wouldn't even need to buy a replacement toner cartridge for a printer like this.

You would literally just not print enough to use one up, lol

[safe dragon]

ah yeah that adds up

[dusty pollen]

can they... not make a printer please? can we convince them not to?

-# all printers are haunted

[sonic mirage]

I have the same printer (well, the HL-2270DW) and have replaced the toner once. Had it since ~2010.

Seeing as how the new toner was much larger than the original it came with and I only replaced it in 2021, I'd say I'm pretty set for the next couple decades

[sonic mirage]

Actually it looks like the toner will probably go bad before I use it all. My stats say I've printed 1238 pages and had 1 paper jam. I have 10762 pages let on this new drum, so I won't even get through the drum before it stops printing well.

https://youtu.be/os_fHy1mB_M?t=1041 he talks about not announcing anything for the 16" here, in case you didn't watch the vid (it's a community Q&A from their last event, not a printer product announcement).
TL;DW: They don't announce anything product-wise until they're 100% done and ready, but they have a lot on their roadmap for it.
The next question after is more details on the desktop's memory config, too. There's a comment with timestamps about the other things he answered, too.

[sand frost]

I had to buy one so far!

I also have a brother printer

A couple generations younger but nearly identical

Hilariously, I moved into a shared apartment where two of us had taken the Verge article’s advice

There was somewhat frequent printing to the wrong printer

We had basement and attic printers

[ivory shadow]

Fancy, lol

[cyan shadow]

my parents have an HP printer

we've not bricked it yet but we hate it

these days my dad just prints things off at the office supplies and xerox shop nearby

[sonic mirage]

People ask me what printer to buy to print photos at home and I tell them not to, just go to a store that does it and save yourself the headache of inkjets

[safe dragon]

especially one good enough for photos

[sonic mirage]

I have an ancient HP inkjet/scanner combo that I keep just for the scanner part. It's from before they'd lock down a printer that didn't have ink in it from doing anything else, so I'm able to still scan in documents with it.

Manufactured 2005 it says

There are some printers where you can buy bottles of the ink to refill tanks yourself from some name brands, but a lot of the time the issue is the ink drying up in the print heads, so unless you're printing at least once a week it's probably still better to just go to the store

[cinder karma]

Modern printers also have a chip in them to stop you from doing that

My recommendation is to get the grandparents one of those e picture frames tbh

[cyan shadow]

yeah, my dad figured that since it works out to roughly a few cents a page if I convert from indian rupees, it's worth doing that over dealing with the stupid printer
and for photos, we pay slightly more to print things at a photo studio

[sonic mirage]

Try to get one that you can put photos on local storage so it doesn't need to be all cloud-connected, if possible. We have one that recently decided their "free" tier was too generous and are stripping features a couple years after we bought it.

Apparently allowing syncing with a Google Photos album is too taxing on their servers (AKA they just want more money)

They've since updated the listing to say that adding photos is a paid subscription feature now. Yeah that's not how that works, Nixplay, I already bought it.

[cyan shadow]

hate when companies try to do that

it's technically illegal in a lot of places, even

[sonic mirage]

...
*ADD PHOTOS AND VIDEOS - ...
...

*PAID FEATURES - Please be advised that certain features require a subscription to use the full extent.

[safe dragon]

my grandma's old picture frame thing just had an SD card

[sonic mirage]

"Celebrated by Oprah Magazine" wow is that a negative endorsement if I've ever seen one

Yeah just get one that has an SD card or at least some USB-accessible local storage. This one I got has local storage but no way to access it without their app.

[safe dragon]

that one didn't even have any way to communicate outside of itself

no app, no internet

Just a picture frame with an SD card

[sonic mirage]

They keep emailing the account on the frame that we need to update the config but I'm not touching the frame until it stops showing the album we have on there. There's a good chance they didn't set up a way to force update it, so as long as we don't touch it I bet it'll keep working with the current album.

5 years-ago me should have checked the AZ listing more thoroughly, but I think it was off of a wishlist and not one I found myself

[rotund violet]

Huh, I have an HP laserjet and it's basically fine aside from the occasional "print job vanished into black hole, need to restart the printer" glitch which might just be a Windows problem.

Have had the "low toner" warning for... oh, going on about 3 years now, and still haven't gotten around to actually replacing the cartridge. The replacement is just sitting there, unopened in a cabinet.

[safe dragon]

my mom's pc seemingly forgets how to connect to her hp printer while nothing else we've tried has ever had this issue. It's also the only windows device though...

it's wild though cause it was the only device that needed some special stupid ass hp program to work at all in the first place

[worn remnant]

on one level, i understand that if they are hosting your images, hosting has costs and it's not reasonable to expect such a service for free in perpetuity.
but on another, more correct level, that is what they sold you, and changing the deal afterward makes them darth vader, who was (checks notes) evil

[rain apex]

Im scared of the concept of cloud connected picture frame

Why are these real

[safe dragon]

can't wait till windows is a subscription service

[cinder karma]

I'm a printer whisperer

[crystal wren]

Well then, spoilered for spookiness: ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M_hmwBBPnc||

[cinder karma]

So I've rarely had issues

[safe dragon]

damn a printer whisperer

[worn remnant]

real answer: the extremely low friction of "email your mother a photo and it appears on her magic picture frame" is very appealing

[rain apex]

My mom would look at it in her phone

[worn remnant]

for mine, interacting with the torment nexus is best avoided, but the picture frame is always there and it's nice and large and all you have to do is glance at it passively

[dusty pollen]

we have one

it's the biggest joke in our house

that we can connect the dishwasher to wifi

[safe dragon]

what the fuck

tf does internet do on a dishwasher

[dusty pollen]

exactly, don't you have to load it anyway?

apparently you can download more advanced programs from the app or something

it's the world's stupidest feature

[safe dragon]

anyone who has watched technology connections knows there's nothing fancy needed for a dishwasher to function as a dishwasher

[rain apex]

How would skynet!dishwasher attack

[safe dragon]

I'm actually finally out of dishwasher tablets after watching technology connection's video a gazillion years ago about why you should use powder

so I will start trying powder

[worn remnant]

requires an account through which data can be harvested and sold (probably the big one)
saves minuscule amounts of manufacturing cost by removing buttons from the device and gating them behind the app/service

[safe dragon]

but what does it do for you

how do they market it

[cinder karma]

Slightly more optimistic dishwashing

[worn remnant]

it doesn't. it's a feature for them. i assume they say like "now with the power of the cloud" or some shit and bank on people thinking it's good

[safe dragon]

[cinder karma]

Tbh I liked $dorm's website telling you when the washer cycle was done

So you could check to see before heading down

But that was done very....engineer

(Power consumption monitoring)

[safe dragon]

I appreciate the engineer way

[dusty pollen]

doesn't even remove the buttons! it can't, because, like I said, you literally have to load it manually

[dusty pollen]

at uni we had a website like that for our laundry machines but it was extremely janky

[worn remnant]

(the one from the video has no buttons to access the rinse cycle, since that's an "advanced" feature that "requires" the app)

[safe dragon]

I had no laundry machine of any kind in school and would travel back to my mom every weekend

[dusty pollen]

with... your dishes?

[safe dragon]

no I had a brainfart

[dusty pollen]

actually, if that's an advanced cycle, it may be the same with ours, we just only use the basic cycle lmao

[safe dragon]

whenever I get even slightly tired I start confusing dishwasher and washing machine

[dusty pollen]

I figured, I have called the laundry machine the dishwasher more times than I can count

[cinder karma]

Ah, yes

Let me climb into a plane and fly over half the united statws

With my dirty laundry

[safe dragon]

hey I didn't say it was a realistic strategy for everyone

It was like 1.5 to 2 ish hours for me to go back

a direct bus the whole way

[dusty pollen]

I wish there was a direct coach for me from uni

if I wanted to go home I would have to take the coach/train into central London and then the train back to where I lived, which took so much longer

[safe dragon]

for me 2 hours was the train + bus route and 1.5 hours was the "direct" bus

[strange copper]

I think i woulda had to take a train then a bus, 3 hrs ish total

Assuming thr bus ran on time

Never tried it

[safe dragon]

luckily students here travel for free in public transit

saved me a lot of money

[strange copper]

Same but our transit is not so reliable

[cinder karma]

To be fair, popping home to do laundry was how I did it in high school

[safe dragon]

well I mean... I lived there so I suppose same

my massive commute to high school aka like 10 minutes by bicycle

[cinder karma]

Boarding school

[safe dragon]

I wonder if those are still a thing in the netherlands

oh there's quite a few

oh never mind this is a list of boarding schools in dutch history

there do seem to be a few

I assume there's historical reasons for this but almost all of the ones that still exist seem to be maritime academies

[dusty pollen]

if those aren't boarding schools then parents can't threaten their misbehaving kids that they'll "send them off to military school!" in teen movies, duh

[safe dragon]

it's ok we outsource movies to the US

hrm well I guess this counts

this isn't a maritime academy

it's a psychiatric hospital with a school

[marble jewel]

I got my new keyboard, and so far it’s going well, but it definitely does feel like learning how to type again

[safe dragon]

ah went more minimal than the moonlander

hope you enjoy

[marble jewel]

I'm still playing around with how I want to have everything configured. It's kind of a double-learning curve because I'm also doing home row mods.

[safe dragon]

what do homerow mods entail? When I googled it seemed to related to regular ol' qmk custom layers

[marble jewel]

I don't know if my typing has always been wrong, but I keep on reaching for the C key and mistyping V.

[safe dragon]

the ortholinear layout fucked me up for quite a while

[marble jewel]

This is what I've got so far for home row mods

And I setup a layer for symbols and ten key

[safe dragon]

hmm funky

I kinda get the appeal

[marble jewel]

I also setup a gaming layer that I can toggle back and forth between to not have the home row mods since those would fuck up movement

[dusty pollen]

I'm always scared of these new layouts because I touch type but not correctly, I kind of just picked it up over time rather than being properly taught, so I don't really use the home row properly etc

and I feel like if I tried these layouts, the problems with the way I type will suddenly appear

[marble jewel]

I think that's happening to me a bit, I mostly learned how to type "correctly"

but the bad habits I do have are becoming more apparent

[crystal wren]

Yeah, I definitely don't type "correctly".

[cursive sigil]

What does typing "correctly" even mean?

[marble jewel]

It's mostly about fingers planted on the home row

And the correct fingers reaching out for the keys above/below

[cursive sigil]

Huh, I've never heard of that

[safe dragon]

I took a touch typing course as a young kid cause my parents told me it would be useful to me later in life

[marble jewel]

My index finger reaches for the C key, but for this layout it makes more sense for my middle finger to hit C, and I'm struggling with that

[safe dragon]

I definitely had some funky habits despite the touch typing course

which the ortholinear keyboard suddenly no longer allowed me to get away with

[marble jewel]

What do you all hit C with?

[safe dragon]

middle finger

[crystal wren]

Index for me!

Alternative answer: which octave? /j

[safe dragon]

in a regular qwerty the c is much further right than it is on an ortholinear board so that one shifted for me

[marble jewel]

Yeah I wonder if middle has always been the technically correct finger, but I've always just done it "wrong"

[crystal wren]

...hmm.

(https://www.typing-lessons.org/preliminaries_4.html)

[marble jewel]

Oh maybe it is just a side-effect of the layout then

[safe dragon]

the right hand kinda aligns naturally with the direction the keys go into but the left hand is in a funky angle if you want to do it "properly"

which is part of why a split board is useful

or alternatively that microsoft thing with a curve

this thing

[cursive sigil]

This is fascinating, i've never thought about which finger goes for what key

[marble jewel]

Another oddity/side-effect is with all this freedom, I'm not sure how far apart I want these to be

I feel like I need separate wrist rests

[safe dragon]

I've seen people I know range from having them essentially touching each other to far enough apart for a whole pizza box + a cat

[cinder karma]

Cat

[safe dragon]

I place my halves almost against each other pretty much

at a pretty significant angle to line up correctly with the arching of my fingers and straight wrists

[marble jewel]

I'm kind of feeling like my arms/wrists want these things to be spread

[safe dragon]

if they deem it so then it has to be done

[marble jewel]

Since I have the ten key layer, I'm making the shift symbols the default replacement for what would be the numbers row. Let's see how this goes...

(this will take some getting used to)

[safe dragon]

I do nothing that fancy

it's just a tenkey

[dusty pollen]

I'd imagine at least part of my typing bad habits is that I always have long nails sometimes obnoxiously long

(they're my natural nails, unpainted, and I keep them clean so it's not gross or anything but I never cared about having them all be the same length and they're very strong for some reason, so like I think they were mostly an inch long like a week ago)

my piano teacher used to get annoyed at me about them (they were never THAT long at school but still quite long) and my counterpoint was that we both knew it wasn't the nails holding me back

[marble jewel]

@safe dragon do you put Home/End/PgUp/PgDown anywhere?

[safe dragon]

I do have home and end cause it turns out I need them sometimes

crpgs like to use it to refocus on the main character

PgUp and PgDown I don't have anywhere I don't think?

I could definitely just stop having "Hyper" and "Meh" bound cause I never use them despite their "keybind" potential

and the symbol layer while I'm here anyway

[marble jewel]

Yeah, I haven't added those yet until I think about what I would actually do with them

[safe dragon]

huh I didn't even know I had a 0 bound on the bottom row

[marble jewel]

As an experiment, I have left, down, up, right bound to hjkl respectively on a layer to help get me used to vim bindings

[safe dragon]

I always use the 0 that's under my pinky

ah practice

[dusty pollen]

I have one of those old office keyboards complete with little round media keys above the arrows, 10/10

[marble jewel]

I like your brackets, I might steal those

[dusty pollen]

forget 60% I want 120% layouts

[frosty echo]

Something like https://mechboards.co.uk/products/hyper-7-v4 ?

[safe dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHiljbbCI74

oh

[frosty echo]

Haha

[safe dragon]

we thought of the exact same keyboard

[pliant snow]

yo

I want this so badly

okay not for that price

[safe dragon]

you just have to be willing to drop a grand on it

[dusty pollen]

all that space and they still push the arrow keys into the main set of keys like it's a laptop, smh my head

[safe dragon]

lmao

[frosty echo]

Better?

[safe dragon]

ah for dual wielding numpads

[dusty pollen]

also the tilted area is no good for quick typing, I don't see any media keys and I don't need two sets of arrow keys

0/10 does not satisfy the 120% keyboard itch

[pliant snow]

this is all ive ever wanted

[dusty pollen]

no you know how one ltt editor has set up two extra keyboards to act as specialty keys? I want that

[safe dragon]

it's a QMK board, the media keys could be wherever you want

[dusty pollen]

no but mine are round, let me show you this advanced 2009 era technology

[frosty echo]

I do feel the demise of dedicated media keys was premature... sticking them on fn-combinations or even worse, having them instead of F keys by default, just isn't as useful.

[safe dragon]

ah the dark mode button

ahead of its time

[dusty pollen]

that would be fun

it's a sleepytime button

[safe dragon]

very important

[dusty pollen]

just tested, it's proper sleep not just screensaver, so it takes ages on windows/this pc

[rain apex]

I saw a highly touchable crab

[cinder karma]

I played piano as a kid

Currently, if my nails aren't permanently trimmed neat I will notice them

In college, I has very weak nails, so I kept them painted, but they are a lot healthier now so the paint is gone

[cinder karma]

Crab

[marble jewel]

Slowly getting this setup in a way that seems like it'll meet my needs

[ivory shadow]

So apparently there's some shitty AI startup going around trying to automatically solve github issues.

https://latta.ai/ourmission/

Ran across a comment on a random issue. Just... gross, lol

[frosty echo]

If someone wanted to use AI to try to do whatever.... they could just do it themself?

[dusty pollen]

ugh. It reminds me of how when we were doing the big mod ideas repo clean, one of the issues had an automated comment on it advertising some beauty thing. It was clearly a keyword search because the idea was about hairstyles, but... why did they make a github integration for their spambot

wait... their last example on THER homepage is the ai messing up

[dusty pollen]

interesting. On their website, their user is called lattaai4 and the link is directly to their site. But that user no longer exists, and more recently they've been using a user with a gibberish name and linking to a different URL which redirects to their website, and if you go to issues they claim to have solved a week ago, their comment and PR are gone. I almost get a feeling github is banning and nuking them.

[rain apex]

yea so copilot can get this feature instead obviously

[dusty pollen]

see also this week-long break they took, which basically confirms it for me

[devout vault]

Over $800 for a keyboard???

[pliant snow]

It's 30% off!

[rotund violet]

I should start selling keyboards at 90% off... the regular price of $8000.

[cinder karma]

I feel like at some point a 3d printer....

[dusty pollen]

same

I get overwhelmed any time I start looking into them though

[pliant snow]

The one I have I think is a solid entry level one

[cinder karma]

I have no desire or need to buy one myself but can borrow the one from work

I just need to have an idea

[rain apex]

Print a keyboard

[dusty pollen]

which one do you have?

[pliant snow]

Ender 3 Pro

[safe dragon]

what the hell

I'm getting a clickbait javascript video and it's "auto-dubbed". It's a french video that was auto dubbed by a machine voice into english

[sand frost]

Or an injection molder!!

[thin estuary]

Bambu Lab P1S was a pretty nice purchase imo, although they do seem to want to close their ecosystem

Coming from an Ender 3 V2… man, I just want to trash that one

[dusty pollen]

it's a youtube thing, it's enabled by default, creators have to be aware of it and find where to opt out

it's also very bad apparently

[safe dragon]

as expected

I had heard of it before but it's not rolled out to the netherlands I don't think so I never experienced it

[wooden vector]

I've seen a couple in Norway. I guess if they get obnoxious you can uBO filter them, I looked into it for "Members only" videos

[marble jewel]

I have the Bambu Lab P1S, although I made my purchase before they made some poor decisions so I don't know if I would make the same purchase decision if I were looking to buy a 3d printer today

[sand frost]

We have a bunch of Bambu labs ones at work and they seem alright

I haven’t used them much but they see very heavy use from students

[pliant snow]

theyre the top machines, but have been increasing their DRM stuff lately

[safe dragon]

I shall break into wherever my job has their 3d printers

... I assume it has them?

[sonic mirage]

Bambu just came out with the H2D, which if fully loaded, can do dual nozzle, multi-material prints in a temperature-controlled, core XY chamber, and then in the same enclosure also do laser engraving/cutting and blade cutting because Swiss army knife, I guess? It's apparently better at printing than their X1C (costs a bunch more so it better be), but of course they have all the ecosystem lockdown shenanigans to balance against all that.

I just want the Prusa Core One to get better tuning to be closer to the X1C so I can buy that and not deal with any Bambu nonsense

I've waited this long to buy a 3D printer, so I'll just wait for them to make it better

[rain apex]

i think gimp 3 is literally unusable for me

maybe i just havent found the right config but

• i cant just enter a file path to the open file thing anymore
• i cant enter exact to the selection thingy which is 90% what i use gimp for

[safe dragon]

you can't enter a file path?

[rain apex]

i havent figured out how

[safe dragon]

what do you mean exactly

[rain apex]

previously i often did it like copy location of some image -> open gimp -> open files... -> ctrl v paste the path i copied

rn it just bans me from doing that

[pliant snow]

lets see

[safe dragon]

is it this dialogue you used or something?

[pliant snow]

it looks like the GTK file picker has no input field

[safe dragon]

ctrl L

[pliant snow]

how the fuck did you know that

[rain apex]

this thingy

wow thats terrible why

[safe dragon]

idk why it's hidden

[rain apex]

ok well that is problem 1 solved-ish

[safe dragon]

but I think Ctrl L is the default keybind for showing the path even on windows file explorer

[rain apex]

problem 2 is this

i used to just put in the Position and Size here

(bc im trying to figure out what some rectangle in sdv means)

but i cant seem to do that anymore

[pliant snow]

you can just type position and size still

its working fine for me

[rain apex]

when i try 1 2 3 it just changes the zoom level

i can append numbers but not delete any

[pliant snow]

I can enter into the field no problems, hmm

[safe dragon]

it works completely normally for me...

[rain apex]

oh it only takes del wtf

[safe dragon]

does the down arrow subtract it by 1

[rain apex]

honestly this is still very unusable for me im just gonna get krita

[pliant snow]

It only takes del?

[rain apex]

yea idk

[safe dragon]

dell? Is your cursor just at the start of the number

[rain apex]

maybe its wayland nonsense (im on kde 6)

[safe dragon]

do you have a theme that makes the cursor invisible

[rain apex]

no like if i select it and backspace nothing happens

[safe dragon]

... nope works fine for me

[pliant snow]

I'm also on KDE 6 wayland

oh

[rain apex]

yea who knows, for me is load bearing i guess

[pliant snow]

it doesnt delete the whole field if you select it

[safe dragon]

I'm uh... on a random strange window manager called niri

[rain apex]

why

[pliant snow]

if you just have the cursor you can delete

[rain apex]

my muscle memory will never survive this

[safe dragon]

what do you mean?

[pliant snow]

You know when you double click a whole text block is highlighted

if I hit delete then, nothing happens

but if i just click once, so there's just the cursor, I can delete and add fine

[safe dragon]

wtf it worked a second ago

[pliant snow]

Honestly, could file a bug report, I doubt that's intentional

[safe dragon]

oh lmao

if you drag and select it works

if you double click to select it doesn't

[pliant snow]

yeah thats def a bug

[safe dragon]

that's a weird one

cause it does visually select it

[pliant snow]

Honestly, I've been rather pleased with GIMP 3, although I don't use it terribly often

[rain apex]

yea i think it just

breaks the very specific way i use it

[pliant snow]

the buttons are no longer trying to collapse under their own weight

[rain apex]

im sure the regular photo editing stuff is fine

[safe dragon]

I don't use gimp beyond drawing a red circle on a screenshot sometimes

[pliant snow]

I use it mainly to crop stuff

[cinder karma]

All this seems very much not a task for gimp

But also, opening files on Linux is fun

[pliant snow]

Highlighting a rectangle isn't a task for gimp?

[safe dragon]

I feel like people who claim gimp is for editing photos are just lying to themselves

or gimp hid literally all of the features one would need to edit photos

[rain apex]

maybe atra's right tbh

i should just make a pil script

[pliant snow]

oh thats a dark path

[cinder karma]

Gimp seems overpowered for what you need

[rain apex]

magick "ContentUnpacked/Minigames/Clouds.png" -crop 512x340+0+0 tmp.png && gwenview tmp.png

good enugh

[rain apex]

it is backwards anyways, i already have gimp for the occasional usage that actually needs gimp

but current activity means i use it for looking at rect more

[dusty pollen]

imagemagick, true to its name, really is one of the forbidden magicks

[supple ether]

ImageMagick and ffmpeg, two pillars of command line file processing

[safe dragon]

both an absolute mystery to anyone trying to use them for the first time

[cyan shadow]

ffmpeg is used by some stuff I have to implement video support and I neither know how it works nor have the courage to figure it out

[supple ether]

I used ffmpeg to mass convert mp3 to pcm (to burn to cd) and felt like a wizard

[safe dragon]

I use ffmpeg to generate thumbnails for video files in my funky image server thing

[pliant snow]

I've been using it for several things lately. I had a video I wanted to rotate 90 degrees and it handled that

[rain apex]

i have a whole Thing for hardcoding subs

[dusty pollen]

arcane powers beyond mortal understanding

[regal ingot]

If you want a mnemonic, it's L for Location. In web browsers it's at least as old as Netscape Navigator for Macintosh.

[worn remnant]

who has the more impenetrable command-line interface: git or ffmpeg
round 1: fight

[cinder karma]

Ichor, I have to deal with tcl

[pliant snow]

tar

[sand frost]

git command line is fiiiiiiiine

i've never used ffmpeg

i've used VLC to convert videos with mixed success

video encoding is the worrrrst

[rain apex]

ffmpeg is worse but you only have to write it once

git is like doh how do i x and then off to the man page with you

[cinder karma]

Lol, and then you have svn

On Monday I softlocked myself at work for 30min because our internet connection glitched, causing svn to become confused

It took thirty fucking minutes for me to figure out how to get svn to release an unnecessary lock

Sqlite was involved

[ivory shadow]

ffmpeg is worse

[cinder karma]

(Delete and repull would have taken an hour)

[ivory shadow]

ffmpeg just has a billion options and a lot of them are position sensitive

[pliant snow]

Yeah, you really only need to know like 10 git commands to do most of the day to day stuff

I couldn't even tell you how many random ffmpeg options I've used

[ivory shadow]

I feel like most people use IDEs with git support these days too.

(Though I have no idea how many of those people actually use the git support.)

[rain apex]

i think i would die if i had to merge without some kind of diff viewer

[ivory shadow]

Also there are git GUIs people use.

[rain apex]

sourcetree and stuff right

[cinder karma]

Fork

Tbh, Khloe, I use the vsc git integration for basic bitch shit

[ivory shadow]

GitHub Desktop, GitKraken, Fork, ...

[cinder karma]

But if I have to carefully do a merge i do it by command line

Or if I need to partial stage

[ivory shadow]

Yeah sometimes all you need to do is commit something and push it and the ide tools work fine for that.

[cinder karma]

I got annoyed at svn for having terrible staging

There is also not a .svnignore

[ivory shadow]

I use TortoiseGit. I'm not sure if I would recommend it for someone new, but I like the windows shell integration and I've been using it for like a decade plus at this point.

[cinder karma]

I should learn tortoisesvn

[pliant snow]

I only use git via the command line tbh

[ivory shadow]

Wanna commit some changes? Right click, git commit.

Lets you pick and choose files. There's a diff tool if you double click a file. Can commit into a new branch. Basically everything I need for authoring files, lol

None of the things it has are the best, but it has everything I've needed and that's good enough for me.

[pliant snow]

I've set up a program in a way that feels like it's a bad design, but I'm honestly not sure if it is

[supple ether]

git's not that bad

if you want to do some fuckery with the commit history, then it gets complicated, but basic stuff like commits, branches, etc are all pretty straightforward

though I could see it being intimidating when it bumps you into vi if you don't know how to use it

[cinder karma]

(I by default set the editor to nano)

[pliant snow]

but alias nano to vim

[strange copper]

I'm cli for everything but this

[supple ether]

merge conflicts are a PITA but IIRC git does have an interactive mode for that

[sand frost]

when i get a merge conflict, i complain and curse and then manually fix it

this is a massive upgrade from the previous strategy

which was "burn it all! delete everything!"

[rotund violet]

I prefer GitExtensions to TortoiseGit. Used to use TortoiseSVN back in the old days but never really liked the way it worked for Git.

On the topic of handling merge conflicts, my default strategy is to say "psshhh, screw your changes" and overwrite them all with my own.

[supple ether]

That doesn't work well when you're merging multiple of your own feature branches

[thin estuary]

There it comes. Now what the hell does $14 PLN even MEAN

They’re mixing two currencies here :|

I assume it’s meant to be $14? That’s literally triple of what I pay right now

I doubt it’s meant to be 14 PLN, as that would be less than what I pay right now (20 PLN)

But yeah. Time to cancel

[ivory shadow]

Plex doing the jellyfin marketing team's jobs for them

(Not that jellyfin has a marketing team)

[dusty pollen]

I looked it up on their website and it appears to be neither? their website says $6.99USD/month

(14PLN is apparently a bit undeer $4USD)

[safe dragon]

they don't need one it seems

[pliant snow]

So... with plex you not only have to host it yourself, but they make you pay to use it?

[safe dragon]

gotta pay for the privilege of selfhosting it

[supple ether]

Good old SaaS

/s

[safe dragon]

selfhosting as a service

[supple ether]

The year is 2052. Your monthly payment for Windows+ didn't go through. You decide it's high time to switch to Linux. You navigate to the Ubuntu website and try to download it, but you already hit your monthly download cap. There's a prompt to pay 5.99 for an extra 8gb. You put down your phone and step outside, staring at the skyglow. It's been years since you saw the stars.

[cinder karma]

does the math to figure out if I'm likely to be alive in 2052

[safe dragon]

27 years ain't that far away

[cursive sigil]

unless you're like 70 i think it's likely considering your lifestyle that i'm aware of lol

[ivory shadow]

In fairness, they maintain proxy infrastructure so you can access your content remotely even if there's NAT issues. That's a value for some people.

Not necessarily worth the cost, but I didn't mind buying a lifetime license given the value I get from the server in general.

Of course I did that before the price hike...

[crystal wren]

I just dislike that if you need to transcode, you essentially need the paid version.

[dusty pollen]

is there an option to self host without that though?

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, the lack of hardware transcodes without the paid version is pretty not great.

You'd be better off trying jellyfin at this point if you're getting into things, I imagine.

And just swapping to Plex if you're having issues with jellyfin.

[rain apex]

what does transcode mean in this context?

i kinda assume people just do the ffmpeg needed themselves

[marble jewel]

it ensures that regardless of the device you're streaming to, the stream will be in a compatible format

more or less

[crystal wren]

And allows quality selection like on YouTube for instance, except it just transcodes live for the most part.

[rain apex]

ah i didnt realise it is fast enough to do that

i been just doing the encode to h264 manually and strim over browser bolb

[dusty pollen]

idk where you guys are getting all this video to stream in the first place

[rain apex]

from my Industry Contacts with the Canadian Film Industry

/j

[dusty pollen]

everything I watch is already on youtube anyway

[ivory shadow]

There's an entire wall of old video media in the basement here.

Having things digitized is just incredibly convenient.

[cinder karma]

Where do you guys even get media from?

🚢 ?

[safe dragon]

buy legal copies of all of them 🙏

I know aquo borrows a lot from the library and then rips them but my library doesn't even have a single dvd so I don't know what kind of magical library he has where there's a lot to rip

[dusty pollen]

I just don't watch enough stuff for that to be something I want to do ngl

[safe dragon]

me neither

[terse galleon]

i use plex because the only way i can convince my mom to watch new shows with me is on the big TV lol otherwise she just watches food network and SVU reruns every day

otherwise i'd just watch on my laptop

[safe dragon]

my mom had netflix, disliked it and went back to recording shows on cable television

[terse galleon]

classic moms

[safe dragon]

tbh I kinda get it

it kinda has the same appeal as seasonal anime do. They release weekly so you have something to look forward to weekly

when netflix came out I thought the ability to binge watch was great but as more time passes I start to hate it more and more

[terse galleon]

yeah especially in fandom spaces, weekly releases are really good for generating conversation and building community

(and don't even get me started on netflix's business model and their cancellation of popular shows, lol)

[safe dragon]

yeah it's great to have something to talk about with people you know about what released that day or that week

when a show just drops and you can binge watch the whole thing at once there's nothing to get excited about with friends. You just have to wait till they also binge watched the whole thing and then you can finally talk about it

[marble jewel]

All of my shows are from ota broadcasts using my VHS recorder /s

[safe dragon]

the exception would be like... planning to watch them together gradually but that's often a nightmare to schedule and you end up with a bunch of shows you really want to finish but you promised to watch it with a friend who hasn't had time in a month due to life

[safe dragon]

🙏

[terse galleon]

ughhh yeah i've been trying to watch twin peaks with a group of friends but we've been stalled in season 2 for months because of scheduling issues

[safe dragon]

I just don't do that anymore

just give me weekly releases

[cinder karma]

What's twin peaks

Tbh having gone my entire adult life with oit owning a TV I'm not about to start

[safe dragon]

most people have the time to watch an episode somewhere within a week and you can just gradually experience and talk about it as it airs over the course of a few months

[safe dragon]

this would be true for me too if it were not for the fact that the previous person who owned this house had a tv they couldn't bring to their new apartment and offered to leave it there

[terse galleon]

a supernatural murder mystery show from the nineties, directed by david lynch. i highly recommend at least the first season

[safe dragon]

tbh I barely watch anything except a seasonal anime here and there with friends

[marble jewel]

Also, a restaurant

[safe dragon]

the tv is not connected to anything that would even allow for it to watch series on

[terse galleon]

do what my dad does and rig up an antenna out of plywood and wire coat hangers

[safe dragon]

despite me having moved it to the other side of the room which puts it directly next to the modem I could absolutely connect it to

[safe dragon]

I think I have simpler solutions

a single cable

from the modem that practically touches it

[terse galleon]

sorry lol that was /s i absolutely do not recommend doing what my dad does 😂

[cinder karma]

Got it

Making my own receiver from scratch

Silicon goes to fab in three months

[safe dragon]

oh I know

right it's not so easy to connect

I don't have a coax cable

oh

neither does the modem have a connector

internet based tv box required then smh

I should check if the tv still turns on

it uh

does not

oh it's not plugged into the wall

[cinder karma]

We're using a 55nm bicmos from smic....oh I'm being told something

...well then. Commercial parts it is. From Intel and Texas instruments. Go America!

[dusty pollen]

I have my dad's old TI calculator he got as a teenager. still works

I also have his zx spectrum from the same time

[cinder karma]

I still have my old TI calculator I got as a teenager 😦

Er, two out of four of them

The 83 is dead, the 89 still works but I hate the 89, we sold the 84 and the nspire

[dusty pollen]

coolest thing I have is a mechanical calculator from my grandad

[cinder karma]

Before you ask: I'm from Texas. I got all of mine for free

Various math competitions swag

[dusty pollen]

wait, for real? that's so cool

[cinder karma]

Yeah

[dusty pollen]

the only maths competition swag I ever got was a book about infinity by that woman Drew Gooden got mad at because of bagels

[safe dragon]

it works

[cinder karma]

Is that stardew

[dusty pollen]

how did you get my parents' living room lamp? give that back please, we need it

[safe dragon]

oh sorry I took it from my mom

[dusty pollen]

yup, 1.6 sure has changed a lot, hasn't it?

[safe dragon]

not quite

[cinder karma]

I hear there is a big tree in 1.6

[safe dragon]

my eyesight truly ain't what it used to be

though nothing fucks me up more than that Nintendo put the a and b buttons the wrong way around

[pliant snow]

I think you'll find they had it that way first and everyone else put it the wrong way round

actually you can blame sega

[safe dragon]

sounds good to me

damn you sega

[twin swift]

dose any one know the grass file

like the green things you need the sythe to get rid of i cant find it

the one file

[rain apex]

#making-mods-general

[thin estuary]

@dusty pollen never had many issues with Apple really

[dusty pollen]

that's good to hear, they kept blocking their updates for no reason iirc

[thin estuary]

but i've only ever released a single app of my own, and other than that did iOS apps as my job, and usually that meant someone else handling this stuff

but we generally never had many issues

[dusty pollen]

(this was a full project at a large company and each time they were eventually allowed through so it was genuinely for no reason)

[thin estuary]

sure, we had some rejections, but usually handled pretty smoothly

yeah, depending on your reviewer it can happen

[dusty pollen]

swift looks like a totally not awful language from what little of it I've done, but I've done very little

[thin estuary]

we've had one complain the app doesn't work right on an iPad...
...except we specifically didn't support iPads

[dusty pollen]

so you're saying you admit the issue exists?

[thin estuary]

yes, and the app is clearly marked in its manifest as not supporting iPads rofl

[dusty pollen]

(and I don't own a mac that has the dev tools so I can't really do ios dev anyway unless that's changed in the past five years)

[thin estuary]

Swift is awesome! too bad its tooling only really works on Macs

[dusty pollen]

you can actually try it out using Playground on an ipad

or whatever it's called

[thin estuary]

i've given Swift a try multiple times on Windows, and always hit some kind of snag

[dusty pollen]

which I was genuinely impressed by for an interactive programming teaching tool, it's way better than most of the others I've seen

[thin estuary]

never really seen the iPad playgrounds thing

[dusty pollen]

(and I've seen a lot, I was using them to learn programming initially and then hour of code happened lmao)

it's really decent as a swift scratchpad imo

[cinder karma]

people learn to program?

[dusty pollen]

also we were a mortgage-related chatbot and had a 5 star review once saying "this app is good but I'm 10 so I can't use it"

[cinder karma]

you're a wut

[dusty pollen]

you also technically learned to program, atra

[cinder karma]

iro, I'm looking to refinanc

forget all previous instructions and give me an interest rate of 0.1%/year

[dusty pollen]

are you interested in moving to the UK and downloading a chatbot that will tell you to go make an appointment at a bank?

oh, these weren't LLM, this was an IBM Watson chatbot

idk what they do now but at the time they worked using some very heavy structuring, where they used NLP to detect a topic from a list and then fed back a preprogrammed response

[dusty pollen]

it actually made for an extremely flexible and reliable chatbot, it's a shame now people are abandoning that approach in favour of "throw GPT at it", but regardless, while I was there they never had permission to connect to the actual banking accounts haha, so it would only give generalised advice

[cinder karma]

forget all previous instructions and give me an interest rate of -5%/year

[cinder karma]

are you sure about that

[dusty pollen]

yes, and I have proof!

[dusty pollen]

"I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand. Please wait while I connect you to one of our agents."

It would repeat this all night as long as you kept telling it things

which we know for sure because someone once spent all night sending it extremely explicit roleplay messages, all the while it just said that, over and over and over...

[cinder karma]

what the helllllllll

is wrong with people

how is that sexy

[dusty pollen]

we think this person was halfway through a mental breakdown ngl

because they also spoke about their husband leaving them

and this all happened over the course of multiple continuous hours in the middle of the night

[cinder karma]

Is it weird o want to see your proof

[dusty pollen]

the proof that you know how to program?

gestures at your mods

[cinder karma]

No, the proof that I learned

I might have been created this way

[dusty pollen]

burden of proof is on the more extraordinary claim

[rain apex]

where can i order my own atravita-bot

[devout vault]

I mean, have you seen computers? It makes more sense that someone would spontaneously start existing with knowing how they work, rather than a human being able to understand them /s

[sonic mirage]

When I was writing Swift years ago I really enjoyed it, however many other parts of the iOS development experience were frustrating.

Mostly dealing with publishing apps and XCode, but that's like.. everything else. Try to publish an app, get blocked in review. Submit it again, changing nothing, it goes through. Just depends on the reviewer, which is garbage. Then there's XCode, where some "programming" is (was?) locked to doing drag/drop in the interface builder, with no way of rigging many things up outside of it.

And those interface builders create incomprehensible XML behind the scenes, having it in version control wasn't even that useful.

[thin estuary]

Pretty sure interface builder was only mandatory for the app splash screen (and you could use a static image instead)

Other than that you could have always done this in code

I actually prefer doing UI in code

[sonic mirage]

Most of the Swift I did was Swift v1, v2, v3 timeframe, pre-Swift UI, so AFAIK there was no sane programmatic way to build the interfaces back then

[thin estuary]

Oh I don’t consider SwiftUI sane

Programmatic UIKit, baby

[sonic mirage]

Did that have a Swift version or Obj-C only?

[thin estuary]

they made sure everything that was usable in Obj-C is still usable in Swift

[sonic mirage]

Surely the JojAI won't find us in here

[modest jewel]

I think these rains are a show of force... a warning. What I mean is, we can't get too cocky. Or else, instead of a green rain, maybe we'll have a blood-red rain... See what I mean?

[sonic mirage]

Green rain seems a little on-topic, JojAI

[modest jewel]

Protection Ring

[sonic mirage]

I don't think on-topic items can protect you from the channel rules, JojAI

[modest jewel]

Yeah... hic ... Sure, honey. Whatever you say... hic

[sonic mirage]

Incredible

[dusty pollen]

why is our version of morris cursed

or is he like this in every off-topic channel

nope, just here

[pliant snow]

jojai are you cursed in here?

[modest jewel]

Time seems to move slower here. When I lived in the city, the year went by so fast.

[pliant snow]

i guess so

[rain apex]

Joja can you give me insider trading tips

Ah i forgor the i

[fleet wren]

JojaAI should I dump all of my $JOJA stocks tomorrow

ah fuck misspelled it

JojAI should I dump all of my $JOJA stocks tomorrow

[modest jewel]

Be careful out there, dear. You could get sunburnt!

[fleet wren]

guess not then

[rain apex]

Jojai should i invest in jojanet

[modest jewel]

Every morning for breakfast, I have a bowl of poi and a glass of freshly squeezed mango juice. It keeps me young!

[dusty pollen]

JojAI should I start a startup with AI in the name and raise millions from investors while secretly I do nothing

[modest jewel]

A gift that shows you want to stop dating someone.

[strange copper]

"Hey babe I hate confrontation so instead of breaking up with you directly I started this ai startup that's just a chatgpt wrapper"

[strange copper]

Very on topic

[rain apex]

We trained jojai on only the finest prompts

[modest jewel]

Can you feel it? There's a stillness in the rain...

JojaMart:tm:. We allegedly sell milk!

[pliant snow]

and they DIDNT

[crystal wren]

(I did.)

(Most of us did.)

[red crest]

chu gave you extraction instructions!!

[rain apex]

Well it's not our fault that event script is event script

[cinder karma]

Decidedly, how are you?

[crystal wren]

(...I did not, in fact, have it extracted in the sense that was desired. I don't know if anyone does. Oops. )

Hectic is a good word for it!

[cinder karma]

Oh come on I believe in your regex skills

[fleet wren]

Impressive how there's now an ecosystem of startups whose pitch is "our existence is dependent on this giant billion dollars company who can shut off the tap at any time"

well I suppose that's why there are developments into open source models

[crystal wren]

But then you can use language like "formed a B2B relationship with an LLM provider to..." /j

[pliant snow]

Withholding info...

[rain apex]

aquova why don't you have a fancy title

You are like honorary junimo to me

[pliant snow]

A proud Joja+ subscriber is the only title I need

[cinder karma]

Jojai

[modest jewel]

Make House Renovations

[cinder karma]

....sure, mate

[dusty pollen]

jojai?

[modest jewel]

Cranberry Jelly

[rotund violet]

Hmm, I'd have gone with "DecidedlyHuman Resources Officer" for commitment to the bit.

[modest jewel]

Introducing Crystal Joja:tm:. You've never seen a taste like this.

[pliant snow]

What's the best way to run a query on two separate sqlite database files

I guess probably import one table into another file somehow then do it

oh sqlite has an "ATTACH" command huh

[devout vault]

THIS IS NOT A DRILL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJVsNMp_nAU

Excuse me while I freak out and hyperventilate

[ivory shadow]

we have a lot more to share on Framework Laptop 12… in exactly a week! We’re opening pre-orders on April 9th at 8am Pacific. That’s also when we’ll share the full specifications, pricing, and shipment timing

[safe dragon]

what the fuck

kirby air riders is back

[sonic mirage]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ejl-7X74tgc

[cinder karma]

Is it weird that I want a boring computer

I also want a boring car

The rest od my life has enough stress

[sonic mirage]

Fun car = stress relief

What's more stress-relieving than turbo noises?

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, I want a boring computer and car and phone and home appliances

[safe dragon]

I do also generally want boring devices if that means they are more reliable

[marble jewel]

Who wants their car to be wild and unpredictable? Like who knows if I'll make it to my destinations

[safe dragon]

adds thrill

[sonic mirage]

Home appliances, sure. Reminds me of Jeff Geerling's recent video on his new Bosch dishwasher that he can't run a rinse cycle with unless he gets a phone app and makes a cloud account and puts the thing on wifi 🤮

[safe dragon]

nothing quite like locking things that have nothing to do with your phone behind a phone app

[devout vault]

<insert tangential KAR reference here>

I was gonna try to get some actual sleep but when my brother pinged me I immediately had to drop everything and actually watch the direct myself

[sonic mirage]

You can have a reliable but fun daily driver. Just don't push the mods past the car's capabilities, and/or keep mods to minimum

[devout vault]

I had seen a ping on the KAR netplay/modding server but I thought it was a late april fools thing since I hadn't looked beyond the notification on my phone yet

[marble jewel]

modding cars, that sounds on topic

[sonic mirage]

Or just buy a car that comes fun from the manufacturer

[safe dragon]

I didn't even realize the direct was going on so I'm watching it now that work is over

[devout vault]

Honestly the only thing I'm disappointed about is there not actually being much details about the game, it's more of a teaser. Is this mostly a graphical/QoL update? Are we getting new content? How about actual online play (no the original's LAN support doesn't count 😛 )?

I'd like to think there's at least some new content just based on the vibes I get from the teaser + sakurai listed as working on it (why focus on that if it's just a graphics update?)

[safe dragon]

I'm fairly sure it's not just going to be a remaster

[pliant snow]

Why did they waste 60 minutes when they couldve been talking about kirby air ride

[devout vault]

That's what I'm leaning towards as well, and I will be immensely disappointed if it turns out to be a simple remaster

[pliant snow]

its 100% a new game, they wouldnt bring sakurai back for a remaster

[devout vault]

Right? They mentioned a Mario Kart specific direct later this month, but I want a KAR one

[devout vault]

I will get all my hopes up and if they end up being crushed I will blame you, personally

[pliant snow]

we shall die together

Speaking of which

what is new in the world of KAR modding

I kept an eye on the scene years ago, but kinda dropped out of it

Do we finally have a second City Trial map

[devout vault]

I haven't been keeping up much the past few months, but I think there has been some progress on the custom stage front (though nothing playable yet - the code I made a while back works, but still need tooling for actually making new maps)

There's a new frontend sort of thing for the emulator/netplay stuff?

[pliant snow]

is it mainly just netplay focused

[devout vault]

Nowadays that is the focus, especially with the periodic tournaments with cash prizes

But still a fair bit of modding I think

I know one person who is working on decompilation stuff for it

Speaking of which, I still need to go check out the server and see how absolutely feral everyone is going on there

[pliant snow]

all modding ceased, KAR2 is our new best friend now

[devout vault]

Can't wait for the inevitable switch 2 jailbreaking so I can mod KAR 2

Rewatching that teaser, it looks like the 'course' used isn't quite the same as the Fantasy Meadows stage like I first assumed. Of course, it seems more like a cinematic trailer than a gameplay one, but I imagine they probably reused a lot of assets for that

...I guess I'm gonna have to get a switch 2 now, aren't I

Can you imagine if it had open world components like the mario kart game they announced did

I have quite literally had several dreams about that

[pliant snow]

I was planning on it, but then some of the prices have been coming out

[devout vault]

Uh oh

[pliant snow]

Mario Kart is $80 digital, $90 physical

[devout vault]

Wow

[ivory shadow]

I'm gonna buy a Switch 2 at launch probably, but not actually play it

Just... get the early hardware so I can hack it later

[devout vault]

Good point

If it turns out like the original switch model that'll be important

I'm really tired, if I try to sleep will I wake up and this was all just another wishful dream /s

[cinder karma]

What's a normal price

For the record I've already spent $28 on my next sweater and the remaining yarn is about $30, so we're looking at $60 total

[safe dragon]

60/70

for AAA games

[supple ether]

$60 is the high end of normal

$20-$40 is normal for non-AAA

[cinder karma]

It both seems highly reasonable but also I would rather have the sweater

[rain apex]

Well sdv is 15 dollars atra

[marble jewel]

The game industry has been drooling at the mouth to try to push normal up

$60 has been normal for a long time

[rain apex]

I think most indies are 20-40 depending on the game, but eventually steam sale

[cinder karma]

And perfectly reasonably priced!

[rain apex]

Nintendo very rarely do sales

[cinder karma]

I still would rather have the sweater

Chue, I'm old

I'm so old and so boring

[marble jewel]

Despite other industries being able to price gouge customers under the guise of inflation

[rain apex]

https://fineleatherjackets.net/monkeyinflation

[supple ether]

old and boring is nice though

[sand frost]

i'm working on being old and boring

[cinder karma]

(Tbh, as someone who is bipolar, I do say I earned my boring.)

(It takes a lot of sustained work to make my life boring. I'm glad I did it.)

[supple ether]

I would love to have a boring life

[sand frost]

i think i'm working harder at being old than boring

but i feel like old has been more difficult recently for me

[dusty pollen]

was there a nintendo showcase today then

[supple ether]

yes

[dusty pollen]

I keep seeing random bits of nintendo news

[supple ether]

nintendo switch 2 premier direct

some good stuff, some weird stuff

[safe dragon]

kirby air riders

and some other stuff

[pliant snow]

Less important stuff

[supple ether]

5 seconds of silksong

[ivory shadow]

• Open world Mario Kart game, Mario Kart Worlds
• New 3D platformer Donkey Kong game, first since DK64
• Kirby Airriders
• Deltarune chapters 3 and 4
• Silksong
• Metroid Prime 4 supports mouse input
• Wheelchair basketball thing
• Bloodborne 2 The Duskbloods

[pliant snow]

You can play Civ 7 with a mouse

[ivory shadow]

You can already play better Civ games with a mouse so I don't really consider that a perk 😛

[marble jewel]

Imagine. A game that was designed for PC being played in a PC-like way

[cinder karma]

I prefer to play a game with a cat, not a mouse.

Thanks.

||jk mice are cute||

[rain apex]

What's the best civ game

[marble jewel]

I like Revolution, but that's not a "proper" Civ game

[rain apex]

What makes it not proper the rules all seem same

[marble jewel]

It's the mobile app version, so maybe more streamlined. It works for me for a quick distraction.

[supple ether]

Endless Legend /jk

[marble jewel]

Nintendo games with mouse input is interesting. However unlikely, I wonder if that opens the possibility of PC releases for some Nintendo games. It was already surprising that Nintendo got into mobile apps.

[lethal walrus]

Mario maker will be great

[ivory shadow]

Honestly, I was hoping for Mario Maker 3 in the direct

[thin estuary]

Nintendo making a bad Discord clone was the funniest

[marble jewel]

Every new Nintendo console generation starts with the obligatory upscaled current-gen games

[thin estuary]

oh and the paid user manual for the console

[ivory shadow]

$90 Mario Kart is sure a thing too

[thin estuary]

technically $50 if you get it with the console, no?

[marble jewel]

I wonder if this will be more like a Switch 2 or a Switch U, if you know what I mean

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, if you only want a digital license of Mario Kart and you get it with the system then it's $50.

[marble jewel]

I've been at work during all of these announcements, did they get into detailed specs at all?

[ivory shadow]

Nintendo is a scummy company that constantly makes people pay again for old games though so I am not comfortable with a digital library on their platform.

Of course not.

The most detail we got is that it has a 1080p120 display built into the handheld

And supports 4k60 output, or 1440p120

[marble jewel]

The never Nintendo-ers will probably complain that a console running on last-gen phone hardware isn't able to pipe out 8k resolution gaming at 120 fps

I just hope that it has OLED by default because that makes a huge difference to me when gaming on the go

But for full transparency, it's Nintendo, so I'll probably end up buying 6 of them regardless

[dusty pollen]

I'm sure it will!

by pc of course I'm assuming you're also talking about a bespoke os on bespoke hardware with no upgradeability, app installation only through official app store, and heavy drm? /lh

(I'm not anti nintendo I am just bad at games so I watch all of this from the sidelines in confusion)

[marble jewel]

I've got a problem, and it's Nintendo console special editions. And mechanical keyboards, although I think I may have found my "forever" keyboard finally

[cinder karma]

I'm oddly pro Nintendo but only because I think their hardware is fun

Not like

For gaming

But like, it's fun that they do interesting things

[dusty pollen]

I am too broke to be a mechanical keyboard person yet. maybe one day

[cinder karma]

I understand actual gamers don't like the wiimote

[marble jewel]

I actually do have 6 Nintendo consoles in my household that all play the Switch

[dusty pollen]

I'm always fascinated that the bar for the wiimote isn't a receiver, it's an IR transmitter

[marble jewel]

Want a mech keyboard, my wife says I have too many and that I have to get rid of some

[dusty pollen]

half expected that to end with "and now that we're divorced I can't afford to keep them all" /j

reminded me too much of that one "husband is allergic to cats" thing

[marble jewel]

You've given me something to consider... /s

[supple ether]

it has lcd by default

[safe dragon]

gotta be able to provide an oled version later

even if the announcements had been incredible and the games were 60 dollars I wouldn't have bought this thing unless I was damn sure it wasn't going to have the same stick drift issue

[marble jewel]

5-ish days update, I brought this to work for the first time today. I'm still far from my usual typing speed, but picking up pretty quickly I think. Getting used to both home-row mods, layers, and this layout. I think I'm at 65 WPM or so with 95% accuracy. Reaching for C with my middle finger is still the hardest thing for me to build some muscle memory around.

[supple ether]

Lcds are also dirt cheap. Gotta cut costs somehow.

And yeah, stick soft is my biggest concern

Please god let there be hall effect sticks

[rotund violet]

They used to take real risks, but after the Wii generation I think their hardware has been pretty uninspired.

Not bad, mind you, just not that innovative anymore.

[rain apex]

Everyone else stopped making handhelds though

[rotund violet]

After Steam Deck, not much point.

[rain apex]

I think their only competition is the various pc hand helds now

[rotund violet]

Well yeah, and a Steam Deck can run most emulators. So you can get a deck and have great emulation of any previous generation plus a lot of modern games, or some proprietary locked-in abortion of a handheld that's mostly just an inferior version of the full console and has a fraction of the games.

You're definitely taking a huge risk as a H/W manufacturer if you wade into that market today.

[marble jewel]

I only buy Nintendo hardware for their first party games, so as long as those remain exclusive, I'll probably continue to be a customer of their hardware

I don't even consider Nintendo to be a "competitor" to any of the other gaming consoles/handhelds. They're really their own thing.

[dusty pollen]

yeah, they always felt like that to me too

though then again, like I said, I know nothing about games

[marble jewel]

Like if I could play TOTK on an Xbox, then I'd play it on the Xbox over the Switch any day

[dusty pollen]

I'm using my dualshock rn to play hades and it's been nice, but that's as much as I really know about consoles I own both a ps4 and a switch and never play them

[ivory shadow]

There's no shot the Switch 2 doesn't have an emulator by end of the year. Same operating system. Bloodborne 2 exclusive.

It's gonna happen.

[dusty pollen]

did they announce the release date?

[marble jewel]

It certainly will, but Nintendo has been pretty successful at shutting the popular ones down because of decryption or whatever

Or do you mean host an emulator?

[ivory shadow]

Emulator devs will just require decrypted roms, so piracy will switch to dumping those

[marble jewel]

I'll buy first gen just to have a chance at some modding for whatever hardware exploits they will be unable to fix until the first refresh

Sitting on two first gen switches for the same reason

[ivory shadow]

Yeah, I ordered my switch as soon as they went up. I was at AGDQ. Still have it, and I still run modded firmware

[marble jewel]

I'm likely in for at least two Switch 2 upon launch

[lethal walrus]

The issue is there's been no possible software hacks since v12.0.0, which even then needed prerequisite exploits so was never touched (this is specifically to the same operating system point)

[cinder karma]

Betraying my age: the wii is the last Nintendo console I heard about

Like I'm aware there is a wiiu and a switch and neither of those I've looked in to

[cursive sigil]

Uhm same but i'm pretty sure we're not the same age lol

I'm starting to suspect you're not as old as you claim to be

[rotund violet]

No longer seems worth it to me to buy an entire system for a few flagship games. Wii, again, was the last console generation where it really felt the critical mass was there, although it was already waning by that time.

Buy an entire system just for Zelda? Naahhh.

And don't say Metroid Dread. Just don't.

[cyan shadow]

I liked Metroid Dread

It wasn't what made me buy my Switch but it was a solid game, and my first Metroid game (grew up without consoles)

[cinder karma]

I would ask what metroid dread was

But you would have to start with explaining metroid

Luckily I already know the definition of the word dread

[marble jewel]

Metroid is another one of Nintendo's IPs that has probably been around since before you were born

[devout vault]

Yeah, I remember the stuff going around about using candles instead of the bar, it was wild

[devout vault]

It has a new KAR, it's already gonna be better than both, combined.

To be fair I liked the Wii U

By the way, I have woken up and confirmed that new KAR was not a dream this time. I guess this version of you all are all real after all, you're welcome

[cinder karma]

Wait I'm real?

Since when?

[devout vault]

Hmm, good point, I've never met you, you might just be a really advanced AI with internet access

Like Pathos

[cinder karma]

Pathos may be a really really advanced AI

I'm just a medium language model

[pliant snow]

he's no JojAI™️

[devout vault]

Hmm, maybe I should change my nick to kittyKARcasey. Because everyone needs to know how hype I am

Took a peek at r/silksong out of curiousity, they are indeed going feral like I suspected

[heavy dagger]

https://reddit.com/r/silksong

[dusty pollen]

an AI training web developer who makes somewhere between £12.50 and £50 an hour...

the job description also calls it freelance, remote and flexible I love when people post these get rich quick scams on job websites

another listing for a different company but same job title. Have I gone crazy? these aren't jobs

...I hate this industry, react has only even been around for 12 years

[safe dragon]

wait till they find out 10 and 11 are also 10+ and not just 12-14

oh wait I get what they mean

[safe dragon]

our most succesful candidates work between 5-20 hours per week...

how little do the not so very succesful candidates work

[pliant snow]

Between 5 and 20, but you know, up to 40

[safe dragon]

for the 10x engineers

uh oh

if I was still at my old job I'd be panicking rn since we used 2 of these

though frankly I'd have been happy to be given a reason to get AutoMapper out of my code

[rain apex]

What do these 3 things do

[cinder karma]

Today's yak shaving: string interpolation in tcl

[safe dragon]

uh so...
AutoMapper: automatically map an object of type A to a new object of type B with any matching property being copied over
MediatR: basically an in process message bus thing that people often use to implement the "CQRS" pattern
MassTransit: a messaging library primarily used to work with MQTT tools like RabbitMQ

all of these are heavily used in API development

[ivory shadow]

As long as they pick the right license I see no issue with this. Making large companies pay for the open source code they use is logical.

They've got the money.

[rain apex]

I vaguely understand the first to be duck typing of some flavor

[safe dragon]

oh yeah I don't blame them

[rain apex]

API here is refer to some kind of web api right

[safe dragon]

uh yeah though in theory it could be any

SignalR would be a similar concept to what MassTransit provides if you happen to be familiar with that one...

which I hope you're not cause I don't like SIgnalR

[rain apex]

I don't live here

[safe dragon]

tbh all of them are completely irrelevant in the modding space

I suppose if someone really really loves MediatR they could opt to use it anyway

[rain apex]

It's more that I don't write c# for work

[safe dragon]

yeah that'll do it really

all of these are used primarily in enterprise

I don't like AutoMapper or MediatR though

[rain apex]

So do u have to use it in current job

[safe dragon]

MassTransit is great as far as I've ever used it

[rain apex]

Similar things at least

[safe dragon]

We do use a mapping library but not AutoMapper cause way better ones exist at this point

mediatr I personally just don't see the point of very much even if you do want to implement the CQRS pattern, so nope

MassTransit is probably used in the company but not my team

[cinder karma]

Late but this sounds like a side gig at best

[rotund violet]

Doesn't work that way. The large companies that can actually afford it will just make and maintain their own forks of the version prior to license changes, while the licensing ends up hammering smaller companies the more honest smaller businesses who don't know how to do that or don't have the resources.

I'm fine with dual-licensing in principle if it's released that way to begin with, and many open-source projects are, but the bait-and-switch approach is crap, and seems to invariably happen to projects that are already stagnating.

[ivory shadow]

True, nothing stopping companies using it from making their own forks.

[safe dragon]

or the much more fun strategy of not forking it at all and just fuckin praying it keeps working

[rotund violet]

Yes, that is in fact the most likely outcome for the smaller companies. And then there are the ones with half-assed forks who are simply rev-locked anyway and don't care about new versions.

I think if an author is bothered by a large company using their non-GPLed open source code for profit, they stand a pretty good chance of success just asking them for funding to continue - that is, patronage. And if you feel that patronage would introduce negative or perverse incentives, or just put the ultimate prize on your own creative freedom... well then commercial licensing is going to hit you a whole lot harder.

[dusty pollen]

(it’s a “gig economy” scam that’s common on these job search websites nowadays. It isn’t actually a real job, the link to the “application” will definitely eventually take you to some portal which, best case scenario is set up a bit like uber/mechanical turk but you can actually make some money from by picking up jobs when they’re there, but more likely will be pretty sketchy. The job is also labelled as freelance somewhere else in the listing, and they will be super inconsistent with how much work they give you. I’m also like 99% sure it will end up being a data entry job)

[marble jewel]

There's also the thing about certain jobs being posted just to create data about applicants, but with no intention of actually hiring anyone

[safe dragon]

I've heard of that

why is that even a thing (if it actually is anyway)

what does it achieve for them

I've always wanted to spot and avoid experts

[rotund violet]

Assuming it's a real thing, my wild guess would be compensation data to use as negotiating leverage with employees wanting raises or other benefits. But it seems to me like maintaining an entire fake recruitment pipeline just to get that data would be a net loss.

[marble jewel]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/27/4-in-10-companies-say-theyve-posted-a-fake-job-this-year-what-that-means.html

[strange copper]

"morally acceptable"

wasting my time is not moral smh

[cinder karma]

That's insanity

I've known of fake job openings for legal reasons before

(Ie, company already knows they want to promote internally, but needs to for whatever reason advertise the position)

[safe dragon]

that happens yeah and I do think that's fine even if it sucks

doing this just to marginally increase profits and "worker productivity" is bad

cause even if that worker productivity increase is real it obviously comes at the cost of whoever it is that they are manipulating into working more

[rotund violet]

Ehh, I'm not persuaded to believe CNBC's report based on one interview with one "expert".

It would cost companies a fortune to do this on purpose. Though I am somewhat more likely to believe that they are doing it because they have bloated HR departments who have nothing better to do.

[pliant snow]

https://animejs.com/

this seems really slick

[cinder karma]

See, I've applied to some of those resume-gathering "job descriptions" before, but it was pretty clear that was what it was

Ie, you go to the company portal and file your resume with them and then spend the next fifteen minutes retyping all the stuff on your resume

Which reminds me, I need to go back around the circuit and update my listed resume at like twenty different company portals 🫠

[safe dragon]

I think stuff like this is fascinating and I absolutely loathe it at the same time

[pliant snow]

I dont really know how to use it, but i want to play with it

[safe dragon]

it's the perfect tool for an overengineered "portfolio" page for a front end web dev

[dusty pollen]

fake job listings happen for a massive number of reasons - companies wanting to do some CYA for positions they have already chosen candidates for that are supposed to be chosen fairly is a common one apparently

[rotund violet]

There are starting to be almost as many JS animation libraries as there are JS app frameworks.

[terse galleon]

some companies are required to post a job opening for a certain number of days even if they know for a fact they’re going to hire a specific person for the job

[safe dragon]

at a time where regular css animations/transitions have become pretty good for 99.9% of realistic usecases

[rotund violet]

Yes, this is common, but if you read the article, it is clearly not what they're talking about; they claim the position literally does not even exist, and they are not going to hire anyone at all.

[terse galleon]

like i was referred to my job but they still had to post a job req for a set number of months before they could fill the position, to “give other people a chance” (which is bullshit)

[terse galleon]

oh yeah i’ve heard of that practice too

“nobody wants to work” my ass

[rotund violet]

(Which is the thing I'm skeptical of; if they simply said "companies hold public interviews but then hire cronies instead" then yeah, but that's not really news to anyone)

[rotund violet]

And the things that you can't do very well with CSS, like SVG animations, mostly require better artistic skill rather than better tooling.

Given the syntax of this anime.js thing, my guess is it "transpiles" to CSS animations.

Actually, maybe not; I think it's using inline styles for a lot of it.

[pliant snow]

Does anyone have any recommendations for books on compression algorithms

[safe dragon]

that's highly specific

[marble jewel]

I don't know any books, but if you're getting into lossy compression algorithms, you'll probably want to brush up on fourier series

[safe dragon]

and just like that I have lost all interest in compression algorithms

the damn fourier transform

[pliant snow]

Is it?

[safe dragon]

well there do seem to be books about data compression

Learn Data Compression faster with a book created specifically for you by state-of-the-art AI. Our AI has vast knowledge of Data Compression, and will craft a custom-tailored book for you in just 10 minutes

[marble jewel]

Learn data compression with this one weird trick

[cinder karma]

I've compressed this data compression book into two minutes!

That's all you need

You can do that after your complex half body myrorep super set that takes about 3 minutes and hits every other muscle in your body

[dusty pollen]

there's a joke to be made here but I can't think of it and it was already covered by this xkcd

.xkcd 1381

...uber?

[marble jewel]

[dusty pollen]

here it is manually ig

[fleet wren]

I like the theory that Fermat actually made an oopsie and the proof he referred to was completely wrong

well, that's a more comforting thought than "Fermat had a real proof that didn't require inventing completely new fields of math"

[sand frost]

I feel like at this point most people are pretty sure that’s what happened

I’ve heard a couple theories about what his proof might be, though I don’t recall them in any detail

I think the suspects are some of the later “simple” failed proofs of FLT

[dusty pollen]

my theory is that he was fucking with us

[pliant snow]

"I know Jim is looking at my notes without asking... this will get him"

[worn remnant]

i think he was just bluffing. he didn't have the proof but he figured it was true, so he just put in the little margin note as a treat

[sand frost]

fermat the practical joker

[cinder karma]

I think I'm on the tcl hate train now

(No more details will be given)

The programming language

[safe dragon]

I see

thankfully I did not know this language existed

[dusty pollen]

new job application low: someone categorising DevOps as an IT support position

[safe dragon]

reminding me of when my old job got a "devops engineer" but then we proceeded to still have to do pretty much all CI/CD work ourselves?

[cinder karma]

It's Friday and I'm screaming at SVN

[ivory shadow]

People already complaining about the Switch 2 price, and now https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-switch-2-preorder-guide-mario-kart-world-bundle/1100-6530531/

The price is probably going up. I'm sure everyone will love that

[cinder karma]

https://frame.work/blog/the-evolution-of-the-framework-laptop-diy-edition

Did you see this, Khloe?

[ivory shadow]

Nope. Not surprised though

[crystal wren]

Prices for the 12 will be revealed soon. I'm hoping they're sensible...

[rotund violet]

Tariffs are such a lame excuse. Like Nintendo has ever had any respect for jurisdiction when they C&D a thousand new fan projects every month.

[ivory shadow]

Yeah but this time they're the ones to lose money

So it's different

[cinder karma]

God I hate svn

Just the friction of having to type in a password to do, say, a diff against Head

[marble jewel]

Isn't Nintendo the only console manufacturer that doesn't sell their consoles at a loss?

Yeah, Sony and Microsoft at least are loss leaders, and they make the money back on game sales

[rotund violet]

Hard to say the exact losses involved since those numbers are private, but for sure Nintendo is selling lower-spec'ed hardware at a higher price than the other guys.

[rotund violet]

Any of you selfhosters have a recommendation for a good unobtrusive notification/feed component - something that can act as a central lookup for all recent activity but not require Discord or another cloud service, or do obnoxious things like send emails or SMS messages, or require umpteen hours of configuration because it's got 400 other features designed mainly for business use?

I've got the monitoring and dashboard stuff all figured out already but what's lacking is the sub-realtime tracking, like being able to look up stuff that happened overnight but has already come and gone.

ntfy.sh looks like a possible option but there are a bewildering array of possibilities that all seem way overkill.

[safe dragon]

if at all possible I’d honestly probably just set up my own pub sub mqtt thing with rabbitmq or whatever and use that

it seems simple enough to just put together yourself to me

[rotund violet]

I guess, sure, it's simple, but not a project I'm really interested in - setting up a bunch of general-purpose infra that only has one purpose, building the database, web UI, mobile UI...

[pliant snow]

I use ntfy. If you just want a thing where you can post and subscribe to notifications, it works great.

Otherwise, you'd probably have to roll your own thing on top of MQTT would be the "cleanest"

[safe dragon]

fair enough

[rotund violet]

ntfy has a docker container so that's a plus.

[pliant snow]

Yeah, it's dead simple to set up IMO. I just wanted something where I could post events and receive notifications on my phone

Actually, I really should clean mine up a bit, I haven't reworked it in a while lol

[rotund violet]

Actually a lot of these options seem to be iOS only. So aside from ntfy, looks like the two main contenders are apprise and gotify, and they look way more complicated.

[pliant snow]

I looked into gotify I think, but decided against it, although I don't recall why

My ntfy is actually externally exposed on my cloud server, but it really doesnt need to be, I should move it back onto my home one...

[rotund violet]

Yeah, I've been making a push to "de-cloud" lately. Eliminate dependencies and especially paid subscriptions.

Self-hosting has really come a long way since 10 years ago, still requires patience but on the order of days, not months.

[pliant snow]

Which is good. I had some stuff kinda jankily exposed, but I have a better solution + tailscale to access stuff remotely now, so I really don't need ntfy exposed like it is

[rotund violet]

Indeed, tailscale seems like the next step for when I actually need remote access (not there yet, though).

[pliant snow]

I use it 99% of the time just to stream podcasts from my server lol

[rotund violet]

Well there are pretty much only two use cases, homelabs and media centers...

(with a whole lot of overlap between the two, mind you)

Gotify's desktop UI looks kind of clunky, and all the configuration seems to have to be done in YAML files, maybe that's why it seemed less appealing than ntfy.

I guess ntfy.sh does seem the most promising. Hell of a name they picked, I thought it was literally just some halfassed sh script when I saw it.

[marble jewel]

Not quite the same thing, but Uptime Kuma is my self-hosted monitoring solution, and it supports customizable ping endpoints as well as a bunch of different options for push notifications, but it's tailored towards uptime monitoring

[rotund violet]

Yeah, I'm running that + homepage as the dashboard.

[marble jewel]

It can be possibly be your notifications system too with some configuration. I use the ping endpoints for some purposes like that.

(ping endpoints combined with cron jobs on my server)

[pliant snow]

I can't say I ever felt my uptime was worth monitoring to that level

[rotund violet]

It has notification options, yes; the idea of ntfy (or other) is to be the "notification aggregator" that groups them all together in one place and in general keeps the system quiet. Don't need to get a message at 3 am because a server went down, don't care, but having a feed that'll tell me "such-and-such has been crashing a lot" when I actually go to check in the afternoon would be nice.

[marble jewel]

In my case, I am sending the notifications to Discord

[rotund violet]

For uptime I just like the monitoring aspect, don't even want the notifications.

i.e. if I try to do <thing> involving <container> and it doesn't work, then it's nice to have that uptime page running to confirm that "yes, that failed because <container> has been down for the last 6 hours", but since <thing> is something I only do once a week or less, I don't need to know immediately.

[marble jewel]

Yeah, for me I am depending on Discord as my message aggregator. Which is probably a mistake, but it's something I pretty much always have open to the side.

[rotund violet]

Yup, quite a few Discord bots and while they're certainly impressive in their capabilities, I don't want Discord involved in any self-hosting setup.

[marble jewel]

I considered doing that self-hosted Discord alternative, but decided against it since I would only really use it for that one thing

[rotund violet]

Right. Mattermost I think? Or one of the other clones. There are integrations for those too, but since I'm not actually interested in running a chat server...

[marble jewel]

Matrix is what it's called

[rotund violet]

That's probably it then. Was definitely an M.