programmers-off-topic

[safe dragon]

I believe that's only when there's an electron update

wait is that what it's called

it sounds wrong

[austere comet]

The only discord notification I can ignore without a problem is discord telling me at the top I don't meet it's system requirements and may stop getting updates (discord the page you link me to says the minimum windows version is win10 and that's what I have what more do you want from me)

[safe dragon]

it is called electron. I doubted myself there

[fleet wren]

I hate it tbh, like "what changed Discord, you still don't have audio screen sharing after seven fucking years"

[hard cradle]

im gonna be honest i am not the most observant for new features unless its a big one so idk since when the emojis are there lol

[pliant snow]

yes... official discord on linux... thats what im using...

[safe dragon]

discord is still using a version of electron that doesn't support Wayland as well

[pliant snow]

oh i thought it was native wayland now

[safe dragon]

I don't think so?

[pliant snow]

whats the JS console command that says

[fleet wren]

still XWayland

[safe dragon]

alternative clients are...

[rain apex]

I tried to do funny pipe business to share audio

It was succ

[safe dragon]

don't think the discord client still allows you to open a dev console in any way

unlike the good old days

I've tried wiring the audio of an application through my mic but it's funky and desynced

[rain apex]

it also got subjected to noise cancelling

[pliant snow]

oh yeah, this third party one is also xwayland

Part of the reason I switched to pipewire was because it was easier to pipe audio to discord lol

[rain apex]

lets start an IRC

and move there once discord explods

[safe dragon]

I disable noise canceling anyway cause I use a noise canceling filter already on the microphone itself through easyeffects...

[pliant snow]

easyeffects intimidates me

[safe dragon]

also disable echo cancelation cause I swear that's been fundamentally broken on Linux for years

[fleet wren]

ah easy effects, installed that the other day and currently trying to make it so I sound like Chronos from Hades 2

[safe dragon]

when I enable echo cancelation it just deletes my voice

[prisma flume]

how does forwarding work

[fleet wren]

(not a very successfully endevour cuz I dont know what I'm doing)

[pliant snow]

the real crumble died years ago, you are just the echo of who he was

what do you mean by forwarding

[safe dragon]

you click forward and then select every channel (across servers) you want to forward it to

[austere comet]

The feature us labrats got?

[prisma flume]

i can forward messages between channels and servers?

how does it handle permissions

[austere comet]

How does it handle x person not being in the same server the original message is from

[violet gale]

oh that's true

[prisma flume]

like can i forward from secret woods here to people who can't read it

[safe dragon]

I think it just forwards it with just about as much care as if you copy pasted the message manually with some nice markdown

[pliant snow]

Youre talking about IRC bridges?

[violet gale]

weird

[safe dragon]

yeah

[rain apex]

do u see the source server on this

[violet gale]

nope

[safe dragon]

no

[pliant snow]

oh wtf is that

[rain apex]

ig it only shows if u r in the seaver

[violet gale]

i see the image at least

[safe dragon]

it just copies the contents with some nice markdown and that's it

[fleet wren]

it shows the message but not the source yeah

[cinder karma]

You can forward to different servers

Whoolk

[pliant snow]

oh wtf

thats a built in discord feature

[austere comet]

Idk I prefer taking a screenshot myself

[violet gale]

that's neat

[pliant snow]

Testing

[prisma flume]

screenshots aren't copypastable etc though so very bad

i hate text screenshots 😌

[safe dragon]

I'll resist sending a text screenshot

[prisma flume]

now you can forward a text screenshot!

[pliant snow]

why would i want this

[safe dragon]

and then screenshot the forwarded text screenshot

to forward things

[violet gale]

circular logic

[pliant snow]

discord wants to be email

[prisma flume]

how do i cc people

[pliant snow]

Can I...

[rain apex]

oh if i delete the original message the forwarded stays

[violet gale]

you can now send someone into a whirlpool of forwards

[rain apex]

how terror

[prisma flume]

this seems easily abused

[safe dragon]

yeah I think it's not in any way linked to the original message once forward

[pliant snow]

I forwarded back the forward

[prisma flume]

oh wow i see that

[safe dragon]

deleting or editing does not affect the forwarded message

[prisma flume]

i havent been to that server in a while

[pliant snow]

So its

basically copying the message

then reposting it with your account

[safe dragon]

with some nice markdown yes

[rain apex]

[violet gale]

uhhhhh

[rain apex]

well it doesnt really say who even posted the original

[violet gale]

wait will it bonk the masked links, i gotta test for the junimos, goodbye if i get bonked

[prisma flume]

so now if someone forwards a message you wanted to hide it's just owned by them now? and you'd have to ask them to remove their forward

[pliant snow]

fuck it keeps moving the window

i wanted to see if you could bypass slowmode lol

[rain apex]

yea that is kinda cursed

[violet gale]

thank you junimo, yo udo in fact at least get bonked for masked forwards

[prisma flume]

i don't like this new feature much haha

[safe dragon]

I'd hope they weren't idiots and made sure the censors apply to forwarded messages

[pliant snow]

It actually won't let me send that into channels where images are disabled

[safe dragon]

they did a decent job for once

[prisma flume]

i'm surprised images are enabled in programming chat. you'd think it'd look like a text editor in here

[safe dragon]

we need to be able to share memes shitting on Javascript and python

[prisma flume]

this must be some kind of visual studio

[pliant snow]

so thats what that means

[prisma flume]

and we're the community....

[pliant snow]

oh i can forward stuff to users

im glad they were working on this instead of audio screensharing

[rain apex]

oh are reacts kept

[violet gale]

my side buttons are now huge, it was already obnoxious on mobile

[prisma flume]

like. on an oscilloscope

[prisma flume]

or what

[pliant snow]

speaking of old timey

i found an audio player in linux that supports winamp skins lol

im having a great time

[ivory shadow]

Winamp skins were peak

[pliant snow]

https://skins.webamp.org/

choose your challenger

[violet gale]

aw hell yeah gotta pull up the old anime skins

[pliant snow]

its entirely anime images from the 90s

[violet gale]

i wonder if the one i used is there

[rain apex]

and mr bean

[pliant snow]

ngl they werent designed with 1440p in mind

but i still like it

[cinder karma]

What is this

What is winamp

[prisma flume]

is the media player actually good, or do you just want winamp skins lol

[pliant snow]

winamp was a very popular music player in the 2000s

i mean

[fleet wren]

how are you old and not familiar with winamp

[pliant snow]

it plays audio, idk what else i want it to do

it has a visualizer

thats basically all the features

[cinder karma]

I don't understand

[pliant snow]

it was super duper popular

people made their own skins

manly of anime characters

[violet gale]

i am still trying to find the 1 skin i used as a kid

WAIT

[cinder karma]

Oh no people are typing

[violet gale]

nope that's not it

[safe dragon]

the source code of winamp was published on github recent and it was a giant mess of copyright infringements, a fundamentally broken license and all sorts of fun stuff

[cinder karma]

No idea what winamp is

[safe dragon]

ur winamp

[pliant snow]

I just said it!

[fleet wren]

we are all winamp on this blessed day

[pliant snow]

maybe im shadowbanned...

[cinder karma]

Zero idea

[sand frost]

I’m confused about how a music player has skins

[pliant snow]

you had to be there

[violet gale]

the 90's were a wild time

[rain apex]

what about the funny sound effects

[safe dragon]

back in the good ol days everyone tried to skin anything

[pliant snow]

i dont think it did sound effects

but i dont recall

[violet gale]

me, constantly fixing my dad's computer because he wanted something off of limewire, his msn constantly getting hacked

[prisma flume]

even windows media player came with like half a dozen skins lol

[pliant snow]

i do remember AOL of all people bought them out lol

[fleet wren]

I think we're xkcd.com/1053-ing atra in real time

[prisma flume]

like wmp comes with visualisers and you ask about why skins?

[violet gale]

GOD THE ORIGINAL COCOMELON

just staring at the visualizer, mesmerized

[sand frost]

I don’t use windows

[pliant snow]

if you use linux you can try them out now too

[safe dragon]

that was some mesmerizing stuff

[pliant snow]

with this random ass player i found

[cinder karma]

What

[prisma flume]

macs don't let you express your individuality in your music player so conformist..

[pliant snow]

its quite underwhelming these days

[safe dragon]

macs don't let you express your individuality

[violet gale]

i have finally found the skin

[pliant snow]

lol nice

[safe dragon]

beautiful

[rain apex]

i dont recognize this anime boy

[violet gale]

and now i'm reminded that cliphits were a thing

[fleet wren]

I just became 20 years younger, thank you

[violet gale]

wait that's not what they were called, dammit

[rain apex]

chobits?

[violet gale]

i got it backwards

[cinder karma]

Look

[violet gale]

hit clips https://www.iheart.com/content/2018-03-07-hit-clips-didnt-make-any-sense-but-they-paved-the-way-for-the-future/

[cinder karma]

I wasn't allowed unsupervised computer time in 2002

[violet gale]

(DNAngel)

[safe dragon]

you can recreate it

[pliant snow]

god i forgot about these

[prisma flume]

i'm in awe at the amount of 90s anime skins on webamp

[violet gale]

you think i was unsupervised? my computer was right next to my dad's until i was like, 10

[pliant snow]

i remember going to a birthday party in like 1999 and a girl got a bunch of these

it was like high tech

breaking news from discord tho

im excited to announce video quests

https://discord.com/blog/updates-on-our-quest-to-connect-more-game-developers-with-players#heading-3

[safe dragon]

D.N. Angels

they're called dark mousy

[pliant snow]

theyre not ads silly gamers, you get a badge. Watch video quests today!

[fleet wren]

speaking of old-ass players anyone here used XMPlay or is it just me

[violet gale]

waves hands their weird ass roblox shooter

[pliant snow]

this does mean theyve officially added ads tho

its only a matter of time

[cinder karma]

Hell

If I did my math right I wasn't allowed computer time in 2002

What is xmplay

[violet gale]

what the hell was 2002, what was i even doing? i think i was trying to play an everquest private server

[safe dragon]

I was 5 and playing Pokémon yellow on an emulator

[prisma flume]

looking thru the winamp skins list i'm shocked. shocked that they're all just background images and colour themes instead of whatever windows media player let you do

[pliant snow]

I was 10 and playing pokemon yellow not on an emulator

[fleet wren]

it's a music player that mainly plays these things:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_tracker

[rain apex]

i miss that brief time when discord tried to be a games storefront

played xcom thanks to that

[pliant snow]

who would be silly enough to buy a game off of the discord game storefront

a game like celeste

[safe dragon]

I bought crosscode through discord cause it was a few cents cheaper...

ended up buying it again on steam

🙏

[violet gale]

discord telling me i have xBAWKS game pass every month, me: i am running out of dummy emails

[fleet wren]

does the gmail alias trick work or did they wisen up to that

[violet gale]

i might try it

but tbh the only reason why i'd get gamepass again is to finish the persona series

[rain apex]

u can play almost all of yakuza on gamepass

[violet gale]

i own the entire box collection

i just cbf to sit in the loft and play on the ps4

[cinder karma]

What is gamepass

[violet gale]

pay money a month, suffer because choice paralysis of Too Many Games ™️

[safe dragon]

atra

[violet gale]

promptly forget, and get dinged by microsoft of a payment because you forgot to unsubscribe

[prisma flume]

i'm increasingly convinced atra doesn't actually own a computer, just pretends to

[fleet wren]

subscription service to microsoft where you get to play any games on its service. like all subscription services it offers free trials~~, and like all free trials people are trying to cheat and extend it with dummy accounts~~

[cinder karma]

What is a video game

[pliant snow]

its a game thats video

[prisma flume]

a huge improvement from having to listen to an audio casette talking you through a text adventure in the evil wizard's dungeon

[pliant snow]

have to wait for a man to mail you the next level of your paper game

[fleet wren]

didn't people used to get video game source code via mail and type that into their computer to play

[pliant snow]

ya, or in magazines

[safe dragon]

now do that for a modern game title

[pliant snow]

gotta print out 150GB

[prisma flume]

well if you're not worried about typing it in yourself you can get it by email
https://github.com/id-Software/Quake

[ivory shadow]

You could probably do something like that with a Winamp 3 skin, but Winamp 2 / its skins were way more popular.

And Winamp 2 skins were absolutely just images and colors.

[prisma flume]

oh i was way too young to know about different versions at the time, there's versions of windows older than me lol

3.1 years old today 🥳

[sand frost]

Surely the average person on this discord is younger than windows

[cinder karma]

If it makes more sense, I was not allowed computer time, never mind unsupervised computer time, until I was in high school

And by that point, I had too much stuff to do

[safe dragon]

even in the programming channel I imagine the average is definitely well below 38 yes

[prisma flume]

you're right, but also the average person is older than windows so it evens out

[rain apex]

can i move to this alternate universe

[sand frost]

Yeah the “old” crew here is late 20s and 30s mostly from what people have said, with some exceptions

[safe dragon]

I always go by the increasingly inaccurate assumption that people I talk to are roughly the same age as me

[prisma flume]

#pro-grandma-off-topic...

[rain apex]

everyone on the internet is a cat until proven otherwise

[safe dragon]

in this channel I think there's more of a chance but in town square I'm definitely not the average age

[prisma flume]

town square is a school playground haha

[sand frost]

Some of them might be dogs

I assume town square’s average age is 14

[safe dragon]

despite 13 being the minimum age

[pliant snow]

most users in here are bots

[austere comet]

I'm a hamster personally

[pliant snow]

in fact everyone in here is a bot except you

yes you

[sand frost]

I’m a bunch of flowers

But maybe there’s a cat hiding inside them??

[prisma flume]

wow this channel has some lame pinned messages

[cinder karma]

please see pfp

[austere comet]

Or perhaps a bee

[prisma flume]

where's the images. the quotes. the incredibly specific rules

[safe dragon]

we barely know what the rules are

[pliant snow]

damn i wish i could pin this

[austere comet]

There's rules in here?

[prisma flume]

i'll vote for you in the next moderator apps. together we'll get it pinned

[cinder karma]

Hi Mathperson!

I see you also duolingo

[sand frost]

Yello

I’m trying to learn Russian

[fleet wren]

the first rule of programming-off-topic is you don't talk about programming-off-topic

[sand frost]

It’s going ok

[safe dragon]

this channel is forever in a superposition between being "the off topic channel for modders" and "a programming focused off topic channel"

[cinder karma]

Quick take a measurement

Collapse the superposition

[fleet wren]

if we use one of the actual off topic channels we'd instantly get devoured

[prisma flume]

i take the quantum approach. i do not observe this channel

both can be correct ☀️

[safe dragon]

it's not in the off topic category of the server yet it's the only channel we have with off topic in the name

[fleet wren]

there wont even be bones left

[pliant snow]

thats...true

[rain apex]

it's birb channel now

[pliant snow]

it's birb channel now

[safe dragon]

birb-off-topic

[prisma flume]

oh town and guild are perfectly nice, you just have to be ok with complete chaos

[sand frost]

I feel like I do have an unusually high tolerance for middle school antics but not high enough for those channels

[safe dragon]

I have a few messages in adventurers guild

[cinder karma]

Let's go talk jwt in #adventurers-guild

[devout vault]

/me contemplates

[safe dragon]

rant about json web tokens to random people

[cinder karma]

Oh is that what it stands for

[safe dragon]

yes

[devout vault]

(I was just thinking that atra)

[cinder karma]

I legit went "James Webb Telescope"

[prisma flume]

jwt... juby won trails..

[safe dragon]

jwt token is like atm machine

pin number...

[safe dragon]

my favorite web framework

[cinder karma]

Anyways

How are things

[devout vault]

I've been incredibly unmotivated outside of work lately, makes me sad

I wanna work on something but I don't wanna work on anything

[pliant snow]

just work on a personal project during work, ez

[safe dragon]

the aquo way

[cinder karma]

(Same. Yesterday I got home, meant to do more work, and just went to sleep instead.)

[pliant snow]

Y-you can't prove that

although i might have today

[cinder karma]

What is persona

My god

[pliant snow]

oh personal

[safe dragon]

you've regularly talked to me about what you're doing in a hobby project in the middle of your workday

[pliant snow]

i could be speaking in the abstract

[devout vault]

Besides being unmotivated, I'm still contemplating misbehaving (misbehaving being pinning aquo's message about lame pinned messages)

[pliant snow]

how did you get the power

[safe dragon]

go for it

[cinder karma]

She is pink

[prisma flume]

1.6 developer abuse

[cinder karma]

Devs get the powers

Magic powers

[devout vault]

It's not abuse if I don't actually do anything

Then again...

[prisma flume]

it is if i wanted it pinned

[cinder karma]

So all you have to do is get hired by CA, apparently, aquo

[pliant snow]

this is a personal slight

[cinder karma]

And weren't you green, bluebs

[prisma flume]

well that's different. i wasn't getting paid to pin messages

[safe dragon]

many of us were once green

[cinder karma]

Aren't you server owner, aquo?

[pliant snow]

green with envy

I'm shadow server owner

i cant be giving away my secret influence so easily

[prisma flume]

the crown emoji fools another

[devout vault]

I was told I could try being green once, but responsibility

[cinder karma]

You would be a nice junimo but also pink suits you

[safe dragon]

instead you became pink

[rain apex]

flaming hot cheeto

[prisma flume]

that's pink? it's cherry red

[devout vault]

I see it more red adjacent than pink adjacent

[prisma flume]

in fact i think that's just Contest Winner in disguise

[cinder karma]

My god

[safe dragon]

I'm believing atra here that it's pink cause it's very red with my blue light filter on

[cinder karma]

Why do we trust Atra with anything

An atra is tired

[rain apex]

do u think it's pink bc mr ape is pink

[cinder karma]

Yes

[safe dragon]

sound logic

[cinder karma]

sleepy

[hardy jewel]

it's definitely pink

[fleet wren]

It's maroon

[pliant snow]

thats much more red than pink

[cinder karma]

Anyways

Blueberry, you should be blue

[pliant snow]

what did you just call me

[prisma flume]

what if i told you the only difference between red and pink is brightness. and the role colours are made to be 50% brightness to be visible on light and dark themes

meaning it's both red and pink

which is CHERRY red

[devout vault]

Are we memes now

[cinder karma]

Lol

[safe dragon]

cherry tomatoes are great in a salad

[devout vault]

That implies salad could be good to begin with

[fleet wren]

Related, I need a question settled:
is avocado a fruit or a salad veggie

[cinder karma]

I love salad

[safe dragon]

no

[devout vault]

(Desty isn't on this server to tell me to eat my veggies)

[cinder karma]

Veggie

It's more oil than anything else

[prisma flume]

why would.... avocado.. be a salad

[cinder karma]

I woke up at 4am and tried to make Asian guacamole and couldn't find my laoganma

[fleet wren]

I made a booboo

[cinder karma]

Entire day ruined

[safe dragon]

speaking of 4 am

[rain apex]

avocado is tuna

[pliant snow]

Is the oil what determines a vegetable

[safe dragon]

that's soon, I should sleep

[cinder karma]

No

[austere comet]

I'm gonna tell on you

[worn remnant]

is "pork floss" a non-US anglosphere thing

[cinder karma]

...good questions

[fleet wren]

what do US people call it

[cinder karma]

Snitches get stitches

[pliant snow]

how does one floss a pork

[prisma flume]

i thought pork floss was just an odd anglicisation. it's called that in chinatown here so

[worn remnant]

i know about candyfloss but i've never heard pork floss.
could be the same thing as "pulled pork", may not be

[cinder karma]

Pork floss is like

Drier in my book

[rain apex]

its dehydrated pork fibers

[pliant snow]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_floss thats apparently just its name

I've never seen it tho, I don't think

[cinder karma]

This

[prisma flume]

meat floss sounds like it shouldn't exist. and yet here we are

[rain apex]

its pretty common in south china food

[fleet wren]

and also Viet by proximity

[worn remnant]

TIL. thanks google /lh

[rain apex]

u can grab a bun with this from asian bakeries

[cinder karma]

It's like Asian eq of Jerky imo

It's sooooo good

Btw. Do y'all also make guac with laoganma

[prisma flume]

honestly reminds me of that comic CA made where fried gluten discs were some kind of make-believe non-food product

[rain apex]

international food crimes atravita

[cinder karma]

What

[prisma flume]

and lo and behold i find my local chinese grocer sells fried gluten discs

[cinder karma]

Yes. Gluten is a thing in Chinese cooking

[pliant snow]

...tortillas?

[sand frost]

Well I call it ba hu

[austere comet]

I'm not actually gonna snitch on Casey otherwise I'm sure Casey would do something even more agregious than hamster pic rates (don't ask)

[sand frost]

But i think that in the us it’s pork floss too?

[devout vault]

0.001

[sand frost]

I love canned gluten

[prisma flume]

no, just gluten. some gluten

[rain apex]

whats fried gluten disks

[cinder karma]

I won't

[austere comet]

See?

[cinder karma]

Tasty

[sand frost]

No, it kills me

[cinder karma]

All the Chinese around comparing dishes haha

[cinder karma]

Is there not non peanut laoganma? Sad

[sand frost]

I do have knockoff laoganma

I use it to stir fry veggies

[rain apex]

oh gluten like literal ball of gluten

[sand frost]

Yeah it’s like a meat substitute

[cinder karma]

I'll take hamster pics

[rain apex]

me grandma make stuffed gluten balls

[sand frost]

Sometimes sold as mock duck

[rain apex]

u cook it in chicken soup

[sand frost]

I’m not sure it tastes much like duck personally

[cinder karma]

As I said, I'm willing to take bribes to not mod. ||I wasn't going to anyways||

[prisma flume]

fried gluten discs

[sand frost]

I should make muei

[rain apex]

i cant believe wumbus is webcomic famous

[prisma flume]

i've never felt more alien than moving to a part of the city where fried gluten discs are the normal thing to eat. i'm wumbus....

[sand frost]

I’ve never felt more alien than moving somewhere that’s full of Buddhist shops for white people 😂

(I did not stay there long)

[austere comet]

Anyways have fun being off topic y'all I'm heading to bed don't let Casey lower hamster pic rates any lower, g'night

[rain apex]

say is eating chicken feet a thing outside of the east asian culture sphere

[cinder karma]

Hey, I bought not great sushi from the posh Amerkcan grocery yesterday

[cinder karma]

Casey does as she pleases

[cinder karma]

I assume someone not Asians eat those

[devout vault]

Casey would love to being doing something right now, but is not. Casey does not do as she pleases

[cinder karma]

They be tasty

Anyways

Dinner, then back to arguing with my work laptop

[austere comet]

I'll trade you cat pics for productivity

[devout vault]

My productivity is so lowwwwww, I'm not sure even cat pics can save it atm

[austere comet]

Damn, good luck then

[devout vault]

I thought you were headed to bed

[austere comet]

https://tenor.com/view/holo-live-hololive-gura-gawr-gif-27618194

[rain apex]

have you considered playing video game

such as popular farming sim harvest moon for n64

[cinder karma]

What is a video game

[fleet wren]

some fad that will die soon idk

[worn remnant]

i mean that guy was sort of right. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_crash_of_1983

[sand frost]

This town was like 99% white and walking down the street was genuinely so weird, I didn’t grow up somewhere that homogeneous

[cinder karma]

You know I don't think I've ever been in a place 99% white

Even when I was in Indiana I was only on Purdue campus

[sand frost]

Ok I do exaggerate a little but I swear not very much

I think also the “Buddhism for white people” shops everywhere helped contribute to the deeply weird vibes

[rain apex]

are white people interested in buddhism

[sand frost]

Apparently some of them want Buddhist souvenirs

[cinder karma]

Yes

[sand frost]

It’s this weird thing where it’s like fetishizing Buddhism? Like “eastern mysticism” stuff

I mean separately I’m sure there are people who genuinely have curiosity about world religions

But that was not the vibe I got

[cinder karma]

Seriously is there not non peanut laoganma

[rain apex]

peanut allergy is very rare in china

i didnt know what it was until i moved

[cinder karma]

Dinner tonight is shrimp with salsa

How many countries can I offend with one dish

[fleet wren]

is chili satay close enough

[cinder karma]

I mean I can always pour hot oil on chili flakes

[fleet wren]

Vietnamese sa tế hits different trust me

[cinder karma]

Yeah, but laoganma is primarily a chili oil

With other flavorings, and there are options

But that and those salty soybeans come close

It's a Thing

[fleet wren]

depending on what you buy sate can be oily, but yeah

[candid pilot]

ah yeah. the people who want statues of buddha but have no knowledge on the religious/spiritual beliefs of buddhism

religion as aesthetic

[violet gale]

dreamcatcher ptsd

the weirdest part of marrying into a white household is the fact that my grandmother in law now has an interest in anything with chinese lettering on it food-wise
so i actually have several jars of laoganma in the pantry and i've never used it because i'm whitewashed asian

[pliant snow]

I have been informed of a discord easter egg

ctrl + alt + shift + w

[candid pilot]

oh cool

[frosty echo]

That's on the key list window

[pliant snow]

theres a key list window?

[frosty echo]

Control-/

[pliant snow]

how do i raging demon

[frosty echo]

Hmm, that has changed, used to be an arrow key sequence

[violet gale]

tbh my favorite joke is the linkedin hotkey on windows, actual virus

[pliant snow]

https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/405783/why-does-man-print-gimme-gimme-gimme-at-0030

[safe dragon]

lmao

[gaunt wadi]

what if i told you the difference between brown and orange is brightness i pet 2 baby doggies today and one licked my hand whilst the other flopped over for belly rubs and one had a rain coat on

[gaunt wadi]

this is very funny

[pliant snow]

I like the response tho "what test are you running where an error from running man with no parameters is a failure"

[gaunt wadi]

"we run man in an infinite loop to raise the cpu temp 2 degrees and if that doesn't happen the test fails"

[safe dragon]

is man secretly a testing tool why is it even in a test case

[pliant snow]

I dont know

To see if its installed? Which is still not how youd do it

[safe dragon]

gotta test that your own package has a man page

wait but they're testing it empty

[pliant snow]

Gotta make sure men exist

[safe dragon]

that doesn't seem necessary for the software

[sand frost]

Not necessarily men, only man

There only needs to be one

[cinder karma]

That's terrible for generic diversity

[cinder karma]

Work todah: pop-up I can't close because it has escaped the boundaries of the browser

[mellow shuttle]

not exactly a programming question but i was hoping someone might have the answers to this: will i screw up stardew if i force it off core 0 when setting affinity with taskmanager? im trying a few last ditch things to fix a memory usage issue im having with SVE 1.15 before complete giving up my save

[thin estuary]

affinity does nothing for memory usage

[mellow shuttle]

ah damn

yeah a handful of people are having memory issues with the new sve update that haven't occurred before so i'm trying anything bc fomo

i've optimised the hell out of any other un-endable task in the mamanger just to give smapi the memory it's asking for and it's still not enough (only reason i'm sure it's not hardware is i've run the last update + ridgeside + scarp before with less issue)

[safe dragon]

how much memory does smapi need? I haven’t modded but I really can’t imagine it’s more than like… 1 gb

[lethal walrus]

title screen is ~750mb with a few mods

900 mb in bed

[mellow shuttle]

yeah that's why i'm concerned about sve having a new memory problem, i've never seen anything like this w smapi

oh well, time to try something else

[thin estuary]

it's hard to have a proper memory problem in C#, and pretty much impossible to have one by only using framework mods, unless it's the case of the former but in the frameworks being used

[mellow shuttle]

hmm ok i'll bring this up again in SVE cord, hopefully someone knows exactly what's up

[safe dragon]

been looking into entity framework more recently and I’m realizing a fair few of the issues I was attributing to EF Core in the past were really just issues with the design of our application

been reading a lot of very opinionated blog posts often with opposing opinions

been interesting

only a few things I’ve found that basically everyone agrees on

“don’t directly expose your database objects in your api”

[cinder karma]

got it

my api works off of memory addresses only

you get a ptr. you get a ptr

[safe dragon]

exposing pointers through a web api would definitely be innovative

[cinder karma]

perfect!

[safe dragon]

you get a pointer and then you can to call another api which you give the memory address and then it gets you your data

in pure bytes of course

[leaden marsh]

I love parsing UTF from pure bytes

Also no one ever ask me about Windows paths and handling their "UTF-16" but not actually standard compliant UTF-16

[safe dragon]

I have to share this cause it’s surreal to me

someone made this comic

[leaden marsh]

This feels so corporate

Like those posters you'd see at a train station

[safe dragon]

corporate but targeted at… kids?

[leaden marsh]

Weebs, probably

[safe dragon]

gotta teach dem kids about jwt authentication schemes

it was just some random medium.com article with nothing to really add or say

[leaden marsh]

(at least half of that is just the sound files)

[cinder karma]

myuu, did you see the memory analytics sinz did?

[leaden marsh]

Yeah I did!

[safe dragon]

I've done the worst thing one can do. I started thinking about how I should design some part of the application architecture like 30 minutes before I had to go to bed

shut up brain it's time to sleep

[supple ether]

Nooooo

[pliant snow]

Update: Running programs using uv is no longer printing out stderr in docker it seems, which isn't ideal

Although it looks like it's more a docker issue...

Update update: It's a python issue. I now remember why I was running programs with the -u unbuffered flag...

[safe dragon]

python never has issues why would you even suggest such a thing

[pliant snow]

I think I finally figured it out, the solution was "just tell uv to run python using the same command you used to"

ayy it works

I'm just going to assume there was zero errors the last few days

[ivory shadow]

This is exactly the kind of thing I expect from JWT abusers.

[safe dragon]

those filthy jwt abusers

[rotund violet]

That's often what corporate culture is these days. It started with the laid back "we're not like other corporations" culture of Google and Silicon Valley startups 20 years ago, but over time and due to HR holiness spiraling and generally declining managerial and executive competence, it has morphed into a kind of cargo cult/race to the bottom.

[safe dragon]

please never let anyone build an authorization system who is still the target audience of that picture...

[rotund violet]

The sane, rational people who would heed your advice tend to have less authority in these situations than you might imagine.

[keen granite]

hi folks
..has someone done music with content patcher yet?
..i need to do something so people can play halloween feeling music again 🫠 .
.an examble code would be great so i can just start recoding it ^^

(..forgot that i live on the other side of the world Q-Q)

[thin estuary]

you're also in the wrong channel, #making-mods-general would be the right one for it
ah, i see you also posted there

[keen granite]

ah damn your right sry ^^

[pliant snow]

...have I been using my laptop for months without hardware acceleration drivers installed

[safe dragon]

does that need special drivers

[pliant snow]

I apparently didn't have VAAPI or VDPAU drivers installed

[safe dragon]

I seem to have the VAAPI one but not the vdpau one

[pliant snow]

VAAPI is Intel's version, VDPAU is Nvidia's

idk if you necessarily need both, but I went to run something and it told me I had neither

[safe dragon]

seems like it depends on the program

firefox uses VAAPI

mpv VDPAU

jellyfin VAAPI...

[pliant snow]

Something tells me my battery life might improve

Speaking of which

[safe dragon]

presumably

[pliant snow]

@crystal wren how is the new screen

[crystal wren]

I'm actually in two minds about it! In one way, it looks much better... and the 120Hz is some really nice icing for the cake. In another way, the original screen resolution was perfect for me at 100% DPI scaling, and I like fitting a lot on the screen.

200% DPI scaling on the new screen obviously looks fantastic, but it does make things a little... chunky for me. So I've ended up using 100% scaling and bumping up the font size in stuff as a compromise.

[pliant snow]

im surprised you liked 100% on the original screen, I think I'm at 125% or 150%

Has the battery life tanked?

[gaunt wadi]

https://applerankings.com/

[safe dragon]

I've never heard of almost any of these

the worst rated apple in this ranking was apparently Benjamin Franklin's favorite apple

it's missing what seems to be one of the most common apples in my country

the royal gala

[rain apex]

isnt that just fancy gala

[safe dragon]

oh

[rain apex]

also what is this fuji apple slander

[safe dragon]

it just barely managed a pretty good rating...

[rain apex]

i like that it's high moisture and mild taste

[safe dragon]

in my experienced the most common apple here is elstar which does not do well in these rankings

wait no

it's not in the rankings

I was confusing it with zestar

oh cause it's a dutch apple

they gotta get on ranking the elstar smh

it's also missing the Goudreinet apple but I don't like it anyway so it's fine

the only apples that rank highly here that I seem to actually be able to buy are Kanzi and Pink Lady

[pliant snow]

you'll have to verify their findings

[safe dragon]

every single one of them

[patent skiff]

I just spent a week hunting a bug in a giant half-finished piece of FPGA legacy code that was so well-hidden that I really have to wonder if it was error or deliberate sabotage. The kind of thing where I'm baffled as to how it could happen by accident, but I really doubt the previous programmer would have done that.

Just a total headache that left me shaking my head and wondering why.

[safe dragon]

nothing you can discern from the git history that change comes from?

[patent skiff]

I would love to have a git history. Or any prior version control at all, instead of a heap of source code files.

[safe dragon]

oh...

that bad

[patent skiff]

Yeah.

[safe dragon]

🙏

[crystal wren]

So you might have just discovered someone's job security payload?

[safe dragon]

I've seen some changes that felt like deliberate sabotage to me only to find out that the person who demanded the change was in fact my boss

[crystal wren]

Honestly, I'm not away from power quite enough to have a full read on how it's affected battery life.

[patent skiff]

Sadly, the guy who worked on thus before me is now over 80 years old, retired and in declining health.

[pliant snow]

"fuck the new guy"

[crystal wren]

Ah, that sucks. And definitely doesn't sound like what I joked about!

[pliant snow]

That's fair, although tbh I'm not really these days either lol

[patent skiff]

So it's my problem now. But I did at least get a raise when I agreed to take it on.

[safe dragon]

"we don't use pull requests anyway lemme just ruin someone's week years from now"

how does one end up in fpga programming anyway. It was never even really on my radar as a field that existed till I was already working

[crystal wren]

I imagine it more veers off of computer/electrical engineering than the typical development side of everything?

[cinder karma]

(I don't know what ellindsey does but yeah, it's hardware side.)

No version control at all, eh?

Not even svn?

[pliant snow]

Can someone explain to me why production devices use FPGAs

[patent skiff]

I've been doing embedded microcontroller work for decades

[pliant snow]

Wouldn't it just be easier/cheaper to use some dedicated chip

I get the benefits for development, but not in some embedded device

[patent skiff]

Started with fpga code recently mostly because the fpga guy at work retired

We don't make high enough quantities for designing a custom ASIC to be worthwhile. So we use fpgas for high speed data processing.

Would be cheaper to use custom silicon if our quantities were higher, but they arent.

[safe dragon]

makes sense

[safe dragon]

my knowledge at anything even close to hardware is an arduino and my knowledge there ends at that they exist

[patent skiff]

I've done a bunch of hobby projects at home with arduinos. Fun little things. Holiday lights, robotics, props for cosplay.

[pliant snow]

I have way too much hardware knowledge about Game Boys, but aside from that I don't know much lol

[cinder karma]

Oh, arduinos are great

[safe dragon]

It would be interesting to someday experienced working in such a wildly different environment with extremely strict hardware constraints that I do not have in server and web work

[cinder karma]

Also if you ever get the hankering to do hobby pcbs, oshpark is $10/sq inch

They are fully, fully just hobby level though

Pretty boards

[patent skiff]

Yeah, osh park is good, I've used them for custom boards.

[cinder karma]

I don't love them personally (one of my coworkers loves them more than I do...)

When I say "hobby" I mean non impedance controlled btw

[pliant snow]

I have a really weird hobby hardware project in mind, but I'm not sure I know enough how to do it lol

[cinder karma]

For slightly above hobby, JLC is great

Or PCBWay

Actually PCBWAY is just pretty damn good

[pliant snow]

Here's my goal -- you know those NFC stickers you can get and stick around places to scan with your phone? I like that idea, but I end up never using them because I'm not holding my phone

[safe dragon]

it's ok I barely know what that means beyond being aware of what impedance is

[pliant snow]

So I want to make some sort of... thing. A keychain dongle or wristband or something that has an NFC reader and a 433 MHz transmitter that can then send the read data to my home server

It would slick as a wristband, I could just go around and press on stuff and make stuff happen

I could build it on a breadboard, but idk how to make it not awful to wear lol

[rain apex]

Does it fit inside a scrunchy

[patent skiff]

Miniaturizing all that into a wristband will be tough to do on a one-off hobby level.

[pliant snow]

yeahhhhh

the individual components just soldered together are too big i think

[safe dragon]

I do not

[pliant snow]

they're just stickers with NFC/RFID chips in them, you can write to them to hold a bit of data, then with a reader device read it back later. I had a few for a while that were paired in home assistant to do various things, but like I said, I would often not be holding my phone at the time so I didn't use them much

[safe dragon]

I do love nfc tech it's pretty cool though I hadn't heard of them being used in home assistant solutions yet

makes sense though

[pliant snow]

i think cat was fucking around with them too

[safe dragon]

makes sense

you both seem to have really gotten into home automation

[pliant snow]

I really like these zigbee buttons I have, but its not cost effective to have a bunch of them. I want a singular reader device and cheap, placable items to scan

not as much as it would seem for how much i spend tinkering with it lol

at the end of the day, i think i mainly just have lights that turn on and off lol

[safe dragon]

I've resigned to not understanding the need for light switches that aren't just... light switches

[cinder karma]

Yeah I considered home automation but like

I felt like I could get most of what I want with timer switches

[pliant snow]

nah man, im lying in bed, all warm and cozy, and I can reach over and press my magic button and poof -- all the lights go out

its great

[cinder karma]

The real fun one was the one i put on my second monitor

[pliant snow]

i use it daily

[safe dragon]

I have used timer switches for stuff like christmas decoration

[cinder karma]

That thing was set to turn itself off at 11pm or so

[safe dragon]

how about turning off the light as you walk in and then getting into the bed all warm and cozy

[pliant snow]

then its dark, i'll walk into stuff

[cinder karma]

I also have timers on lights that turn themselves on in the morning

To make a gentle wakeup

My reds go on at 6:30AM

[pliant snow]

I someday will get smart blinds that open in the morning and shut at night

[safe dragon]

I'd assume you know the layout of your own bedroom

[pliant snow]

actually want to see the weirdest smart home device

im very dumb

idk if ive shared this

https://www.aqara.com/en/product/cube-t1-pro/

[safe dragon]

in my case I can't actually get my bedroom dark enough to not be able to see where I am

[pliant snow]

we have blackout curtains because the cat chases the car headlights as they shine across the wall...

[safe dragon]

incredible

car lights aren't an issue for me since I don't live on the first floor of the building but street lanterns...

[pliant snow]

oh we're on the third floor

somehow they still shine through

[safe dragon]

and besides it just doesn't really get fully dark outside

[cinder karma]

What else do you use home automation for?

[safe dragon]

funky cars with headlights that point upwards

[cinder karma]

One day when I'm older and settled, I want one that makes the AC only turn on in the room I am in

[safe dragon]

when I'm older and settled I'd like to have AC

how would it detect which room you're in

[pliant snow]

probably either phone location or room motion sensors

I have a coworker who has lights come on and off at night using that. I kinda tried, but ended up getting too many false positives

[safe dragon]

motion sensors I feel like has a chance. phone location has too many flaws. One of which you just mentioned with not always having your phone on you

also would suck if you have a little kid who doesn't have a phone so the AC never turns on for them

[pliant snow]

I replaced a number of wall switches with remote ones, and also have some remote plugs. I also have some temperature sensors (either cheap battery ones or a larger one outside that does wind speed as well) and receive their data. All those can be monitored or controlled with a few other devices, Ikea sells physical buttons/remotes you can use, I have a motion sensor, front door sensor, etc. Finally, we have an older robovacuum that is controlled by the server as well, although I probably could do that with their app

motion sensor fails when you have a pet

[safe dragon]

does the pet not deserve AC

[pliant snow]

We don't really have the ability to have AC in only one room

[safe dragon]

I don't have AC but usually when people get it here they just get it installed in the living room and that's it

maybe a bedroom

[patent skiff]

We would have to install motorized louvers on our vents to do that. Not really worth it for a three room condo.

[pliant snow]

via a window unit?

[safe dragon]

never seen a window unit in my life in general

dutch window design doesn't generally even use sliding windows for which a window unit would work

[patent skiff]

But I did rig up a system that turns the outdoor light on an hour before sunset, doing the required math to figure out when that is fir each day.

[safe dragon]

my mom just uses a 24 hour timer plug thing

[pliant snow]

I want to do that too, I just adjust it every few months lol

I think I need to get an outdoor light sensor and have it relay the information in

[safe dragon]

do you even have an outdoor light if you're on the third floor of a building

[pliant snow]

my fanciest one is that if I come home at night, the door sensor will detect and some lamps will come on

[crystal wren]

Ugh, same here. Our windows are more like doors in terms of opening and I hate it.

[pliant snow]

Not an outdoor light, but we have some christmas lights that are up all year round, we often use those for light at night rather than the main lights/lamps

[safe dragon]

dutch windows are much like german ones where you can pick whether they tilt vertically or horizontally when opening them

[crystal wren]

Oh, so at least they're fancy at it.

[safe dragon]

they're nice

not conducive to window unit ac tho

not that I would want to see the electricity bill running one of those with our electricity prices

[pliant snow]

get solar panels too

[safe dragon]

in my apartment

[pliant snow]

get a wind generator

a noble dutch tradition

convince some heritage board to give you one

[safe dragon]

a wind generator in the middle of an urban area doesn't sound particularly effective...

[pliant snow]

get a long stick

[safe dragon]

I can get that

[chrome sigil]

Hello

[safe dragon]

hi

[chrome sigil]

hi my name is Matilde

[safe dragon]

welcome

[chrome sigil]

thank you

[pliant snow]

you never hear of domestic wind generators... im sure theres no reason why

[rain apex]

the dutch took all the wind

[safe dragon]

we've placed all global wind on our beaches so that they are unpleasant to be on year round

[pliant snow]

omg

[safe dragon]

incredible

[pliant snow]

who would buy that model lol

[chrome sigil]

what are you doing?

[rain apex]

it flies too

thats what they r doin with all the wind

[pliant snow]

[safe dragon]

the perspective in this image is either really messed up or that guy is genuinely enormous

[crystal wren]

Well the wind needs to be stored somewhere.

[cinder karma]

God I'm so sleeepppyyyy

[crystal wren]

Oh no. The sleepy Atra season is upon the world again?

[cinder karma]

makes more coffee

[gaunt wadi]

same 😄

[gaunt wadi]

Also same, it's wonderful

I had the same nfc problem, I don't want to have to carry my phone around everywhere.

I like the buttons, they've been working well

[pliant snow]

time to implant subdermal nfc readers

but then also a transmitter

and a battery

[gaunt wadi]

Me, desperately shaking and rolling my cube in wild patterns to try and turn the lights off in the living room, but instead the kitchen is hosting a rave. This is goofy but fun, seems impracti but I like it

[pliant snow]

its if you have a lot of things you want buttons for, but dont want to buy more than one button

[cinder karma]

[gaunt wadi]

Also this, super nice to not fumble in the dark for the light switch

[safe dragon]

do y'all have light switches that move location

[cinder karma]

Every modder's worst nightmare, this question

[gaunt wadi]

The ikea buttons can come off their wall plates and go with you, they're magnetic

[pliant snow]

I didnt even mount the wall plate for mine

[pliant snow]

I tried to get them to add additional questions like favorite NPC or something to give roles/icons, but they wouldn't do it lol

[gaunt wadi]

All the home automation stuff makes existing in my apartment not drastically nicer, but noticeably nicer. I exist in it a large portion of the time and so it ends up being very worthwhile

[pliant snow]

It's not House Automation, it's ✨ Home Automation ✨

[pliant snow]

Speaking of projects, time for a new one

trying to burn a playable video bluray

[safe dragon]

well all you need is fire

[pliant snow]

ah thats what im doing wrong

[gaunt wadi]

The ASS grows

Oh wait, you're burning not ripping. The ASS spreads?

What are you burning?

[pliant snow]

trying to make a backup video disc for someone

it seems a bit futile i'll admit. I think if i had a windows machine i might be able to do it

[safe dragon]

can't just use a vm then?

[pliant snow]

i might try that next, but im not looking forward to getting a VM to actually talk to a hardware device

[safe dragon]

that worked out of the box just fine for me

in gnome boxes

just flip a switch passing the device permissions onto the vm

I do that for my ereader

[pliant snow]

hmmm

i typically use virt manager

maybe im being too advanced

alright, lets give boxes a try

[pliant snow]

yeah i dont think this is gonna work

its not a USB device, its a SATA connection

[safe dragon]

o

[pliant snow]

oh fuck i think i got it

hmmm windows popped up with something, but now it doesnt want to do anything with it

i dont think it knows its an optical drive

[safe dragon]

windows hasn't seen one of those in years

[pliant snow]

something tells me it just changed the permissions on my disc drive

i dont think thats good

[rain apex]

@hoary oasis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release

so theoretically the correct usage of arch linux is to update packages often and all together

[hoary oasis]

Ah, yeah windows definitely forces that, but I dunno about Linux

[rain apex]

i do not do that often enough

[austere basin]

does anyone here rice their Linux desktops

and if so, what's ur go to color theme

[fleet wren]

(may as well repost here): #programmers-off-topic message

[pliant snow]

oh damn

[fleet wren]

sorry for poo quality

[supple ether]

I wonder if anyone has made a Linux skin that looks like Vista

[pliant snow]

look at that happy collection of people in the background, im sure they all will live happy lives

[rain apex]

i dun have fun desktop widgets but here's my wallpaper

[fleet wren]

(also a static setup of my tiling)

(is it practical? debatable. is it blingy? yes)

[pliant snow]

I ran hyprland for a while

[austere basin]

selph which tiling thing r u using?? bc I'm trying to use the built in kde/khronkite one and I think I'm just dumb

[fleet wren]

hyprland

[pliant snow]

But I really wanted to DIY and didn't want to use other peoples widgets, so it was rather unimpressive

[austere basin]

I'm scared of hyprland bc their docs literally say "hey if ur using Ubuntu and have Nvidia, don't use this"

[pliant snow]

they can be a little stern in their documentation lol

[fleet wren]

it's doable, I think the latest version doesn't even need any special patches

[cinder karma]

I'm spoiled

Big secondary monitor or three monitors but I need my real estate

[austere basin]

ooh maybe I'll give it a shot then. is it beginner friendly though? or is there something else a bit more beginner friendly?

mainly bc I'm so used to windows 10/11

[cinder karma]

I wish I could just use linux at work tbh

[supple ether]

Aaaay someone else with a transparent discord theme

[pliant snow]

hyprland? It's not very user friendly at all

[cinder karma]

Almost all of my daily use software works better on Linux anyways

With the One Exception

[austere basin]

rip lmao

[cinder karma]

Y'all already know about the One Exception

[austere basin]

ooh wait let me show y'all my most current rice

[pliant snow]

If you're new I would look at gnome or kde

[cinder karma]

I use cinnamon personally

It has a windows feel to it

[austere basin]

https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/s/WoqwPED32O

[austere basin]

am on kde already lol, just wanted a nicer window tiling

[pliant snow]

ah

[fleet wren]

the transparency is actually just the WM lol 😂

I'm using default

[austere basin]

catppuccin for the win also

[cinder karma]

I used xmonad for a while

But currently I just....don't really tile tbh

[fleet wren]

if you pick a premade hyprland config with hotkeys you can reasonably memorize it is about as hard to use as a tiling window manager
(that does sound like a big if)

[pliant snow]

That's my secret too, I dont really like tiling WM very much lol

[fleet wren]

also this was my desktop before I embraced the purple
https://imgur.com/a/gruvbox-light-dark-Jd2i8UJ

[pliant snow]

I have a folder where like once every year or so i keep a screenshot, just to see how my desktop has changed

[cinder karma]

Same tbh

[pliant snow]

actually its about time to do it again

[cinder karma]

I tend to want a big full screen everything

[austere basin]

I'm using kde's built in wm, and I think I'm just straight up using it wrong tbh

[cinder karma]

Just more and more screen

Mooorreee screen

[austere basin]

like, sometimes things tile nicely, then other times, if I have four things tiled, I slightly resize one vertically and then suddenly it's full screen

[pliant snow]

oh right they added some tiling thing

im not sure its considered particularly mature

[fleet wren]

GNOME I think is also looking into it

[cinder karma]

But seriously

I guess I would be singing a different tune if I programmed more tbh

Why the hug? I'm not that dedicated

I don't care my mods are dead. They deserve that.

Are we just communicating with hug emojis

[pliant snow]

oh i was still using hyprland in the spring

have a random screenshot of stuff running on my hyprland laptop back before i gave up

god i had some weird layouts for a while

[fleet wren]

what's the bar?

[cinder karma]

I used to love xmonad lol

[pliant snow]

waybar if that's what you're asking

KDE is supposed to have transparencies in panels and things, but ive never once gotten it to do anything, on any device ive installed it

but ive seen it work in like VMs and such

[austere basin]

yep, kde does, I have a bit of it

[pliant snow]

why has it forsaken me

[austere basin]

I aliased "sudo" to "please" so that might tell u what kind of Linux user I am

[rotund violet]

Should you be showing us all those seekrit channels?

[pliant snow]

...

shhhhhhhh

thats just a special sneak peak

[hardy jewel]

time to ban aquo

[gaunt wadi]

If you want to ban aquo you have to go through me

[hardy jewel]

goodbye cat

(kidding)

[pliant snow]

Rip cat 😔

[pliant snow]

after again being made afraid of my smart TV, I might give this a shot... https://plasma-bigscreen.org/

although development looks like its slowed down, hmm

[thin estuary]

I’d love something like that, but it will probably end up the same way all of these Linux distros for mobile phones did

[pliant snow]

I've got an old mac mini lying around, let's give this a try

I think the biggest issue will be getting a remote to work with it

[thin estuary]

I wonder how hard would it be to flash my TV’s Android

And if there’s even any alternative out there that would work with it

…and one that won’t lose the Ambilight feature

[pliant snow]

The fact this isnt in the arch main repos doesn't give confidence

and that its marked out of date since the spring lol

but we're TRYING IT

[pliant snow]

This is going to take 18 years to compile on this machine

I don't have high hopes

I should just install debian, apparently its pre-compiled there

[safe dragon]

how about the chaotic aur

[pliant snow]

uhhhh lets see

i kinda doubt it, this package doesn't seem very popular

nope

[austere basin]

okay but why isn't anyone using the arguably most intriguing distro of Linux:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/&ved=2ahUKEwiyueiWhf-IAxXHCTQIHXzuB5YQFnoECBIQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2NP0a8twjV5WmXxmbG8Ctl

[safe dragon]

it hasn't been updated in ages

[austere comet]

Bold of you to assume I’m not using it right now /j

[lethal walrus]

I hate intellij so much

i wanted to update it for the minecraft dev plugin to be updated. so i update it. and again. and again. and again.
apparently it's incremental so i download jetbrains toolbox to do it from there. oh no, you cant update things not from toolbox in there, so I uninstall it. The uninstaller doesn't work.
you have to make an empty dll in the intellij folder. the uninstaller now misses a bunch of stuff and i have to clean it up.
FINALLY toolbox doesnt see it and lets me reinstall it.

lesson: don't leave intellij idea 2 years out of date

[safe dragon]

damn

[lethal walrus]

indeed

[crystal wren]

Yeah, the real trick with Jetbrains stuff is to just use Toolbox from the start for forever.

[lethal walrus]

oh that released in 2016

[safe dragon]

even on linux I end up just using the toolbox

[cinder karma]

Man. Ask chatgpt about svn grep sometime

[supple ether]

Yeah,,, I'm really getting sick of intellij's shit. Debating moving to vscode for java

[rain apex]

vsc consumes all until we all get taken by vim

[supple ether]

Lol

[rain apex]

i rmbr when i learned java on something called eclipse

do ppl still use that

[supple ether]

I used to use eclipse and I don't miss it

My sibling has been using netbeans since like 2012

[devout vault]

I don’t remember liking eclipse

Back when I was doing Minecraft modding (stopped after 1.8 came out)

[supple ether]

Ah, the great Slayer of Mods

I remember the modding scene never really caught up until 1.12, and the model changes were controversial for years

[sand frost]

I used to use eclipse and thought it was fine, but I haven't used Java in like.. idk a decade or more

and maybe I didn't used to have taste

[supple ether]

People are still actively making mods for 1.7.10

[rain apex]

what killed all the mods in 1.8?

[supple ether]

I didn't hate eclipse but it was just kind of meh and felt sluggish

[supple ether]

A double-whammy of internal changes:
Ids switched from numerical to string-based, and models changed from being done on Java to being done in json

[rain apex]

oh but thats just like sdv 1.6

[supple ether]

The models thing was the worse part

[sand frost]

i bet they didn't have pathos

[rain apex]

yea i was bout to say ig they didnt have some universal data model adapter mod like content patcher

[supple ether]

There were no tools to translate old models to the new format, and the old system was entirely incompatible

So everyone had to remake their models from scratch by hand at first

And there was a lot of stuff you just couldn't do with the new format at the time

It's like if 1.6 was also somehow incompatible with every old mod texture

[rain apex]

did mojang/microsoft intend to explode all mods

[supple ether]

Nowadays we have blockbench and better tooling and the new model system is great, but at the time it was bad

[devout vault]

I was just fed up with rewriting my mods every version 😛

[supple ether]

That's a valid reason too

A lot of mods have been abandoned over that

[austere comet]

What were your mods

[rain apex]

minecraft is harder to decompile too from what i gather

harder than just toss it into ilspy at least

[supple ether]

It's trivial if you use the toolchain that comes with the mod loaders, though that wasn't always the case

[devout vault]

Eh, still pretty easy to decompile, but no local cars and stuff

[supple ether]

It's obfuscated, yes, but there's nappings

[devout vault]

Bars

Vars

I swear autocorrect I will abolish you one day

[supple ether]

My autocorrect is screwing me over as well lol

[rain apex]

nappings

yea that is the part i rmbr people raising fuss about

when they remove pdb

[devout vault]

They weren’t very popular. https://spacechase0.com/mods/minecraft/outdated/

But they were fun to make

[supple ether]

No they run it through a tool that garbageifies the names of everything

[devout vault]

My TiC clone had armor and ranged weapons before TiC proper did

[supple ether]

And then publish mappings to get names back

It's weird

[devout vault]

It was really fun with writing core mods

Since you needed to detect both the mapped names for development, and the unmapped names for release

[austere comet]

SpaceCore, I had to do a double take, I see you liked that name

[devout vault]

(Ie. For the transpiler equivalent - no such thing as prefix / postfix)

[devout vault]

Well, NOW I don’t 😛

[austere comet]

True

[supple ether]

What did core modding used to look like?

IIRC mixins are a recent thing

[devout vault]

You manipulated the bytecode before the game loaded them. No runtime patching

[supple ether]

Fun

[devout vault]

Though you could still do it to other mods (I did it to thaumcraft with permission to get my pickaxes working properly in the the arcane bore)

[pliant snow]

You would go to the players home and edit their game as they played it in real time

[austere comet]

Oh I'm suddenly so glad every single one of my previous attempts from years ago to get into MC modding fell through

[devout vault]

To be fair

Forge provided many more APIs than SMAPI does

[austere comet]

(to be fair it also failed because I knew absolutely nothing about programming, much less Java, and I had high ideas that watching YouTube tutorials about adding in an item would magically give me the ability to do anything)

[floral parcel]

I don't code with Java anymore, but I used to hate eclipse. Usually I would used intellij Idea or netbeans.

[sand frost]

netbeans sounds like cat toebeans

[devout vault]

https://tenor.com/view/amanchabukswar-gif-22609133

[supple ether]

Awww

[sand frost]

so cute

[lethal walrus]

I'm only really staying because of the minecraft plugin.. its so fancy and nice - copying mixin targets too

[austere basin]

i love rider tho. vs22 is bloated and for what

i wish i could use Rider at work (we have resharper so theres that). did you know that self-driving forklifts need windows forms?

[rotund violet]

Eclipse was so bad. I may have ragequit and boycotted jetbrains over their license shenanigans and poor performance, but measured against Eclipse it's like the finest swiss chocolate vs. circus peanuts.

[crystal wren]

...they did shenanigans? What did I miss?