programmers-off-topic

[dapper sinew]

I using tty cause normal kde can't handle it plus render

[strange copper]

i mean you only gave it like 9 data points

[dapper sinew]

Yeah I know, I figured it wouldn't work lol. But wanted to try anyways

[strange copper]

repeating them 2 mil times doesn't change that it's only 9 things to learn from. if a model trains iteratively, it'll see your 9 things more than once anyway

[dapper sinew]

Oh really?

[strange copper]

and i presume the model trains with more than one pass because that's just how it works and also it took 30 minutes lol

[dapper sinew]

Didn't know that

Here's the model trainer

[strange copper]

yeah it looks like model.fit abstracts it all away

[dapper sinew]

Well rip

[strange copper]

which is nice honeslty if you're learning

the thing is, neural networks generally start with randomly initialized weights

and i bet that thing has a LOT of weights to learn

[dapper sinew]

Huh, hmmm so how do I make it weight one way or the other

[strange copper]

model.fit trains your model

you can fiddle with the hyperparams but if your data isn't good it won't matter

it learns the weights based off of your data

[dapper sinew]

Oh hhh

[strange copper]

3b1b has a good neural net series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aircAruvnKk&list=PLZHQObOWTQDNU6R1_67000Dx_ZCJB-3pi

(honestly 3b1b has a good EVERYTHING)

[dapper sinew]

Which part controls randomness? Validation?

[strange copper]

i just realized 9 points isn't even enough for a train/test/val splti

have you done any looking into what a neural network actually is at its core?

[dapper sinew]

It's a random choice generator that pics based off probability of the next outcome

I think at least that's what it is

[strange copper]

it's all linear algebra is what it is tbh

[dapper sinew]

Ohhh

[strange copper]

i really would recommend learning some foundations on what a neural network is, what a train/test/val set is, what your different hyperparameters do, etc. because I think it'd help you understand how to collect your data and what you're actually making

[dapper sinew]

Alrighty I'll give that a watch over when doing the stuff

[strange copper]

SHE LIVES

[dapper sinew]

Nuh uhh

unalives her

That sounds won't

Wrong

[strange copper]

please it ran for like a half hour straight bc of rate limiting i deserve this

[dapper sinew]

Oof

[strange copper]

but it ran!!!

only to do it 3 more times now lollllll

[dapper sinew]

Twins lol

Kinda

[strange copper]

i ran my friend's model training homework on my computer for him the other day and it also took exactly a half hour

we are twins

look how long my json out is

[dapper sinew]

Oof

[strange copper]

3 more and then i gotta try and match this dataset up to my OTHER dataset

[strange copper]

did you.. get tired of it 😭

[dapper sinew]

i need tensorflow to work

and its not working on Arch

so im going to NixOS

[strange copper]

what about pytorch

[dapper sinew]

it wouldnt use my GPUs no matter what i did

[strange copper]

dang

pytorch is weird in that you have to download the exact rigth version to match cuda

cause cpu is the default pip command

[cinder karma]

Light UI rant

If you want me to enter the date on the format mm/dd/yyyy and make me enter the slashes myself you did a ui bad

[safe dragon]

that's a fun one

[crystal wren]

(Also in that order in general, you did it wrong. /j )

[cinder karma]

The only date format I accept is seconds since big bang

[dapper sinew]

montly, i hate pip and python cause of its packets rant

ok thats all

good day!

[strange copper]

cause of its... packets?

[dapper sinew]

getting them is a pain

[pliant snow]

packages?

[strange copper]

like are you saying your wifi isucks?

[dapper sinew]

no, i got GB wifi

[dapper sinew]

that

sorry

[strange copper]

honestly i like pip more than npm

[safe dragon]

that's a low bar

[strange copper]

true

[dapper sinew]

pnpm is better then npm though

[pliant snow]

i cant say ive had issues installing pip packages. It's getting rid of them once theyre installed thats the problem

[safe dragon]

how dare you want to get rid of them

[dapper sinew]

i, im simply trying to get tensorflow with GPU support for python

and its,,, a pain

noooo, cant just pip install tensorflow-gpu anymore, its unsuppoooorted

grumpy noises

[cinder karma]

I need to try uv tbh

[dapper sinew]

(ive been at this for 7 straight hours)

[strange copper]

bro you need a break 😭

[pliant snow]

I think you might be doing something wrong

[dapper sinew]

I dont rest till it works

[strange copper]

that's why it doesn't work yet /lh

[dapper sinew]

[dapper sinew]

do you have NixOS?

if so you can try out yourself, too see if i really am, provided you wanted to

[pliant snow]

I used to have NixOS but I dont now

[dapper sinew]

big oof

[pliant snow]

however, getting shit to work on NixOS is a struggle on a good day

[dapper sinew]

i moved back to here so i could have an easier time with python cause i can just say "Hey use this" and it does, no fancy PATH stuff to deal with

[pliant snow]

i would suspect you'd have to mess with your PATH more not less to get it working on Nix

[cinder karma]

Messing with path is also no big deal?

[dapper sinew]

i swear im about to just compile Cuda from source

[safe dragon]

what exactly would you be compiling

the toolkit?

[dapper sinew]

yeah, whatever part lets me use tensorflow

I am learning a skill!

Compiling Java without an IDE

It's interesting but fun

[nix-shell:~/Mount]$ javac HelloWorld.java 

[nix-shell:~/Mount]$ java HelloWorld 
Hello, World!```

:3

(im coding using cat txt >> file and nano)

[safe dragon]

that's certainly a way to get text into a file

[dapper sinew]

I wanna get better at using the terminal lol, plus I'm to lazy to open vscodium

[cinder karma]

(I use touch personally. Or vim)

[pliant snow]

you can modify a file with touch?

[dapper sinew]

I always forget that's a thing

I'm also using echo "txt ">> file

[cinder karma]

(No, but creating one)

touch __init__.py

[pliant snow]

oh right

[safe dragon]

mere touch creates something from nothing

[safe dragon]

[late ore]

LOL

hang this up on a wall this is so funny

[strange copper]

this is so unserious 😭

[dapper sinew]

Lol

[ivory shadow]

fuzzywuzzy is a top tier name for a library

[upbeat turtle]

In linux, they have the Erty library.... liberty.so

[dapper sinew]

I figured it why I couldn't download cuda

Fun!

I'm the bright side, I learned the DD command better

[strange copper]

it is actually a pretty darn good library for "get me a close-enough string match"

would recommend, it even gives you confidence threshold

[upbeat turtle]

But... can it read your mind, like a certain anime girl?

[strange copper]

idk what anime you're referencing but coincidentally i am using this for an anime-related project lol

[upbeat turtle]

Anya-chan! ❤️

[strange copper]

that's embarrasing for me!

[upbeat turtle]

Your PFP, dude

[strange copper]

me when i get exposed

i'll throw out excuses but they will be meaningless 😭

[upbeat turtle]

gives BarleyZP a warm jacket.

Exposure is nothing to sneeze about!

[strange copper]

anyway here's spy x family in the graph now that my import is done lol

ah dang my trope scraping messed up and grabbed more than just tropes that's annoying

[upbeat turtle]

Yor is clearly teaching Anya about object-oriented programming....

[strange copper]

then why does anya look so happy

[upbeat turtle]

Busted.

I tried to make it on-topic.

[strange copper]

The way that me showing off my graph revealed that my script had issues and now spy x family is attached to its related works isntead of the tropes in it 💀 guess i'm fixing that

[upbeat turtle]

See? Talking about anime CAN be on-topic in #programmers-off-topic 😉

I go nitey nite now. Is tomorrow.

[inland jungle]

test 123

😎 but can ur editor show u errors?

(in C++ I use neovim btw )

(many hours wasted to do this pointless thing)

[dapper sinew]

That's not pointless, it's love that

Id*

[inland jungle]

love you ❤️

[inland jungle]

I've finally learned to setup language servers with LSP and now it detects errors while I am in nvim for C#, C++, and lua

[safe dragon]

🎉

neovim is nice

[crystal wren]

Hey, remember those super weird font antialiasing issues I was having on Linux?

I fixed it, and I feel dumb now. That is all.

[thin estuary]

how?

[crystal wren]

So, keep in mind I did very thorough (visual) tests to make sure it wasn't DSC, or a reduced colour space like 4:2:2 or 4:2:0 being used for some bizarre reason...

...but I switched out to DisplayPort instead of HDMI. That's it. Problem gone.

[safe dragon]

well then

[pliant snow]

jesus

[dapper sinew]

lol

[tawny marsh]

does anyone know why all the fish have identifier codes, even the legendary ones, but then the goby is literally just 'goby'

[sand frost]

that seems suspiciously on-topic

but it's because of technical changes in 1.6 that made that possible at all

[tawny marsh]

sorry, are you answering me? I'm afraid I don't understand, was there something in the 1.6 update to cause this?

[sand frost]

Yes, string IDs are now possible. But like I said, this is on topic (meaning it doesn’t belong in the off topic channel), you should ask in #making-mods-general

[hardy storm]

Couldn't think of a better place to ask: wondering whether its possible to know where the bots in this server came from?

[crystal wren]

Oh, @pliant snow...

https://github.com/aquova/bouncer and https://github.com/aquova/governor/ primarily, though.

[pliant snow]

Where do any of us come from stares at hands

[crystal wren]

Just realised the name... @hardy storm.

[lethal walrus]

https://github.com/anotherpillow/farm-computer too

[crystal wren]

See above!

[lethal walrus]

and https://github.com/moiph/ub3r-b0t

[hardy storm]

Thank you all!

[lethal walrus]

also a couple on blueberry's github

[lethal walrus]

aquo do you realise hxd is already a hex editor

[pliant snow]

that sounds like its problem

[lethal walrus]

I always enjoy looking through your github, very interesting projects

[pliant snow]

All my incomplete junk

[lethal walrus]

is genova for the genesis

[pliant snow]

yeah, but it didnt get too far lol

[lethal walrus]

ah

[crystal wren]

Did you know Discord slash commands can be pasted into Discord pretty reliably?

/command first_argument:This is stuff for the command. other_argument:data for the argument here last_argument:Even more stuff here!

[lethal walrus]

you wrote multiple emulators! that is very impressive

one even has a logo!!

[pliant snow]

I think jade did the logo iirc

I actually have another big emulator project that's getting close to being done, but I'm taking a break from it

[lethal walrus]

oo

what console

[pliant snow]

its a tutorial "book" on how to make a game boy emulator

[lethal walrus]

ahh

like the chip8 one?

[crystal wren]

So the next server event should be a make-an-emulator event, you're saying?

[lethal walrus]

note to self: make a CPU with 3 instructions

[crystal wren]

Is that like... TRISC?

Because... tri?

[pliant snow]

yeah, its a sequel to the chip-8 one so to speak

but much, much longer

bytepusher has a single instruction

[hardy storm]

So this might be an odd question but lets say you hated every journaling/mental health/productivity app, so you resorted to the standard notes app for simplicity, but then you realized a private discord server could be much more flexible. Any fun bots you might add to it? In this "hypothetical" "you" switched to discord because the notes app didn't have a nice easy way to keep track of dates/times for additions and "you" have extremely minimal cs experience

[crystal wren]

I use Obsidian + the git plugin along with auto-commits, so I get...

It does mean looking on GitHub or something similar to see when things are added though, which isn't ideal for that...

[marble jewel]

I have a semi-public discord server (invite only) with private channels, one of which is named clipboard where I just jot down quick notes.

[crystal wren]

I've got a 100% private server for super quick notes while I'm on my phone, yeah.

[marble jewel]

Nothing special about it though, it's just a quick place for me to write something that I can access later across different platforms.

I haven't found an app-based notes experience that's quite as convenient as that

[crystal wren]

Sounds like a gap in the "market"!

[sonic mirage]

It's like a slightly more modern version of emailing yourself

Maybe texting yourself?

[marble jewel]

Exactly that. Even cloud notes apps require more steps for me to access them easily than just something I always have open everywhere.

[sonic mirage]

I guess I do use the personal channel on KakaoTalk to note things down sometimes, even though I also use the Google Notes app

That's almost literally just texting myself

[hardy storm]

Im exactly the same. but im wondering if adding bots could be a fun little project to encourage me to take more notes

[sonic mirage]

Just be careful what you add depending on how personal the info there is

[hardy storm]

oh

[crystal wren]

You could technically tweak Bouncer and turn its user notes system into a topic-based one!

[marble jewel]

If I wanted more structure to my notes, I probably wouldn't use Discord, but what I would look for in terms of features would be things like organizing notes by tags, maybe being able to associate notes with extra metadata like location or time

[sonic mirage]

Also obviously Discord already has access to it, too

[marble jewel]

Because I'd want notes that pertain to a specific thing to be easily searchable later on

[hardy storm]

i just spam keywords in my notes and hope i accidently do good "SEO" in the process

[sonic mirage]

I went through my Google Notes before and tagged a bunch of them, but I don't use it super often, still

[marble jewel]

Like I might take notes about a sushi restaurant for the rolls I've tried, and which ones I liked or disliked. I'd want to ultimately forget about that note, but easily be able to retrieve it the next time I'm there

[hardy storm]

tell me more, please?

[marble jewel]

The use case for Discord to me is that the notes I save there are only relevant for the moment

Staffer talking about the inner workings of the Discord

[sonic mirage]

Yeah that's what the ones I put in KT are, just temp storage, usually groceries and such

[marble jewel]

But it's open sourced, so you can fork it

For grocery lists, my notes are even more low-tech. I have a small, whiteboard on my fridge, and I take a photo of it before I go grocery shopping

[lethal walrus]

as long as no bots have admin/manage channels and your notes channel has them blocked from view/entry you'd be fine

[marble jewel]

I used to do a grocery list app, but the effort of opening it up on my phone was more effort than just writing it as soon as I realize I need something

[hardy storm]

i find any added step past writing the thought down (tags, organization) tends to prohibit me from wanting to write it down in the first place so ive never had any luck with any major notes app

[crystal wren]

https://github.com/aquova/bouncer/blob/88efd3a5ffde0b18852fdd0b90e1e31b7b8ee1cf/src/db.py#L143

It would theoretically be a pretty simple change! Just gets shoved into a database using some ID, which in our case is a Discord user ID.

[marble jewel]

That's why I don't think I'd ever land on a single solution for all my different noting needs

[crystal wren]

But this would only really be nice for... pretty short notes.

[marble jewel]

Different tools are better for different purposes

[hardy storm]

ah well there goes my idea of having a bot tell me i did a good job whenever i journal down thoughts after therapy

[marble jewel]

I'm actually pretty fond of whiteboarding. I kind of wish I had a "smart" whiteboard where I could write random notes, save them digitally, recover them digitally, like I have at my work.

[lethal walrus]

so a tablet with a cloud-based notes app and a stylus?

[crystal wren]

If you find something like that, I want it.

[sonic mirage]

I have a whiteboard sitting leaned up against my desk to hang for like a year lol

[hardy storm]

ugh i would kill for a pocket sized expandable whiteboard

[marble jewel]

Microsoft had the Surface screen and there is a webex version too

But it's a big screen you can draw on, and it feels like a whiteboard

[crystal wren]

I mean I suppose there's kinda... https://remarkable.com/? Ish?

[sonic mirage]

I also have a bullet journal sitting on my desk waiting for me to set it up to use daily

[marble jewel]

I have an iPad, but I'm talking like 40" screen minimum

[crystal wren]

I would not want to carry that around, no.

[marble jewel]

Oh, this is more for my brainstorming/notes sessions

I do use my iPad and Apple Pencil for smaller scale notes, but it doesn't quite capture the same experience

[hardy storm]

but id need it to be physical i think sadly. i get such a weird dissociated feeling from handwriting on a screen. like the slight difference in what my brain thinks my hand is doing and what appears on the screen bugs me somehow

[safe dragon]

I've never taken notes in my entire life so I'm no help there

[marble jewel]

Like I feel like on an iPad my notes are constrained to the small screen, even though I can scroll around

[safe dragon]

what's the problem with just a simple paper notebook btw?

[marble jewel]

I've written notes when writing mods on my physical whiteboard. Writing out the logical flow that I want things to happen in.

[crystal wren]

Imagine one of these types of things, but with... I don't know, some special IR stylus it can track and an actual projector to project the notes on the surface.

[sonic mirage]

You might like a Bullet Journal. It's a whole system for taking quick concise notes in a small physical paper notebook. If I can ever just start I think I'll use the heck out of it cause it's already kind of how I take notes anyways

[hardy storm]

its my preference but hard to manage on the go especially in summer when im not carrying a shoulder bag around all the time

[safe dragon]

I'm not really sure about anything you could bring that's smaller than a simple paper notebook

I guess your phone

since you already have it anyway

[marble jewel]

Nothing wrong with pen+paper, but I have like 8 different physical notebooks in my house that served different purposes at different times, and I had trouble committing to any one of them

[sonic mirage]

The journal I bought is like the size of a larger cell phone

[marble jewel]

I did the bullet journal thing for a bit too

[hardy storm]

yeah i did bullet journal too for a bit. my brain said no to the structure eventually

[safe dragon]

I like the idea of taking notes but I've just never really been inclined to take any for anything, not even shopping lists

[hardy storm]

worked better in college when life was more naturally segmented

[sonic mirage]

Did you try tweaking the structure at all? It's supposed to be pretty flexible, but I haven't gotten into it yet

[marble jewel]

I think this might actually be a good application for AI-technology. An assistant that you can have free-flow conversations with that can recollect whatever you write to it.

[safe dragon]

pretty sure that already exists

[marble jewel]

It'd be completely unstructured so that it can adapt to whatever you want to use it for

[crystal wren]

So Microsoft's new Recall thing, but... slightly more broad?

[marble jewel]

I thought the problem they have right now is they have limited ability to maintain the context

Like they're limited by tokens or whatever

[sonic mirage]

If I ever start I'm sure I'll have a main daily one and then one for different projects/contexts that I write in less often

[sand frost]

I recently started to use obsidian! I don't use the git plugin though, would you recommend it? I've only just started so I haven't installed very many plugins

[hardy storm]

yeah but im specifically looking for something for notes on more sensitive topics so AI is definitely not my go to thought but as pillow pointed out earlier, bots probably aren't either

[safe dragon]

the amount of tokens some models allow is more than you'd ever write in a notebook in a month

[marble jewel]

If I did something AI, I'd want it all running on my own hardware

[sand frost]

I'm a hardcore note-taker, I have a very good memory but I stopped being able to manage everything in my life in my head many years ago

[marble jewel]

As in no sending data back to the cloud, and encrypted end-to-end if there is any syncing between devices

[hardy storm]

see this is where i shouldve studied cs not theater 😆

[sand frost]

But I like keeping work/life stuff separate, which is why I started to use Obsidian

[safe dragon]

maybe eventually I'll have to stop just relying on memory alone for everything

[sand frost]

I do remember something like 90+% of things on my own, I just prefer to basically never forget something

I do sometimes fail to do things, but it's not because I forget

[crystal wren]

The plugin, absolutely! I've got it auto-committing every minute because I want super granular changes in the commit history.

Vault committed {{date}}. {{numFiles}} changed.

Changes:
{{files}}

Nice macros available for the commit messages to get what you see in the screenshot for the commit message, too.

[sand frost]

every minute seems so frequent!

does it skip if you don't make changes?

[marble jewel]

I've got a good memory, but I can't rely on it 100% of the time. Plus there's limited capacity, and I'm trying to reserve it for less mundane things.

[crystal wren]

It is, but it does nothing without any changes to commit yeah.

[sand frost]

Also, having a to-do list really helps me prioritize

I've reached a point when I can't feasibly do everything, so figuring out what to do first is critical

[safe dragon]

I tried obsidian for a bit after the hype but ultimately the only thing I've actually ended up using it for is to hold a bunch of database scripts I find myself frequently using

[marble jewel]

It's funny, a highly valued skill at my work is being able to talk about all the company numbers from memory. I have no interest in that. I just need to know generally how things are going, and have access to any info I want at my fingertips.

[sand frost]

I basically only want "app that holds text files" out of obsidian, so I suspect I'll do just fine

I was using OneNote, which is a piece of shit trash fire

[strange copper]

all i use it for is "app that holds .md because i want quick formatting for course notes" and it's perfect

[sand frost]

Apologies to any microsoft devs, but why the f is everything microsoft so bad

[marble jewel]

I tried using OneNote unsuccessfully

[strange copper]

i switched to obsidian after onenote was a pain for class lol

[sand frost]

hate outlook, hate onenote, powerpoint on the web is shitty

word is awful

[safe dragon]

I've essentially become an encyclopedia for much of our work's projects, I tend to remember who implemented a feature too which helps speed planning along

[marble jewel]

I've tried a ton of notes apps, and found what works well for me is the simpler the better

[crystal wren]

Windows Explorer is horrendous right now! Fortunately that's not a core part of anyth-

[sonic mirage]

Most of my notes are just in flat text files, I could probably use a better system lol

[safe dragon]

windows explorer hasn't been good... probably ever

[strange copper]

the fact that the old windows 10 context menu "more options" isn't formatted like the main right click menu drives me nuts

[marble jewel]

Microsoft just gonna do away with Explorer and make you speak to Copilot to open a file

[sand frost]

I use Apple Notes for personal notes stuff, and it's literally just bullet points mostly

So I really like it, plus the synch feature is nice

[marble jewel]

Apple Notes is about as much as I need from any notes app

[safe dragon]

going back to mkdir in the terminal

[sonic mirage]

I've been using OneCommander for a bit, seems pretty neat

[crystal wren]

I'd prefer that! Sounds like it would be easier to replace!

[sand frost]

But I think actually not having work notes immediately right there on my phone is fine and healthy

[marble jewel]

You can even link notes, tag them, add things like locations. So basically every feature I'd find useful.

[crystal wren]

And instantly grabbing to try. Thanks!

[marble jewel]

Or how about that GitHub CLI Copilot thing. That's the direction they're headed.

[safe dragon]

I've still yet to find any use in copilot beyond the autocompletion(which is very good)

[hardy storm]

my only issue with apple notes is i don't like how revision history is displayed. its why ive started using discord instead because it forces linearity i guess

[marble jewel]

Before: cd ~/Documents
After: Take me to my documents

[safe dragon]

"which documents"
"the folder called documents"

[marble jewel]

I'm sorry, I cannot comply with your request

What's a folder?

[safe dragon]

the directory called documents

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/im-sorry-dave-im-afraid-i-cant-do-that-gif-12928790

[safe dragon]

"this folder is password protected, please speak your password out loud"

[sand frost]

Yeah, i don't use the history in apple notes at all, I didn't even know it had a feature for it

i refuse to speak to my devices

[marble jewel]

Oh that's the part which bothers me too. The Humane AI pin or whatever will never be a phone replacement as long as every bit of info to and from it is audible.

[sonic mirage]

"hunter then the number two"

[sand frost]

they can deal with my old-fashioned typing

[safe dragon]

I already lose my mind with ios/ipados splitting the concept of files and photos. I'd cry if we went further down that path

[sand frost]

the only time I'm tempted to speak to my devices is for switching music on long drives, but I actually just gave up on that instead

and listen to the radio (the selection gets bleak some places though...)

[marble jewel]

Imagine giving up typing on a phone in favor of saying your Google searches out loud

[sand frost]

I don't like when my devices make noise, and I don't really want to make noise myself to interact with them

I'm very anti-audio unless it's music

[safe dragon]

I feel like a complete fucking moron whenever I speak to my phone

in any context other than a phone call

[sonic mirage]

I only use it to text while driving. It works surprisingly well

[marble jewel]

People would think I'm a moron by some of my google searches. Like I'll be in the middle of a conversation and discreetly search a word that I don't recognize.

[crystal wren]

I feel like that even in that context!

[safe dragon]

hey google what does discreetly mean

[sand frost]

Hate phone calls

[sand frost]

Google explains “discretely” instead 😛

[safe dragon]

me too

somehow a completely different word

[cinder karma]

"Why would a window leak?"

The autocomplete on this one was terrific

"Why would I need to pay taxes."

[safe dragon]

capitalism...

wait no

socialism...

[marble jewel]

The majority of what I use any voice assistant for is to set timers

[safe dragon]

I don't set timers...

I mean okay I do for cooking but there's a timer in the oven/stovetop

[sand frost]

I use my phone timer

[marble jewel]

See, that's the thing I go hands-free for

[sand frost]

But I set it with my hands

[marble jewel]

I'll boil the pasta water and then "Hey Google, set an 8 minute timer"

[safe dragon]

I'll look at the time and calculate what time is 8 minutes from now

and then do thing

[marble jewel]

I'll also sometimes do unit conversions. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that voice assistants are only useful to me when I'm cooking.

[safe dragon]

cooking assistant

[sand frost]

I don’t really do conversions when cooking

Too American 😛

[crystal wren]

"Hey Google, I got egg everywhere, please help"

[sand frost]

Only bake in freedom units

[safe dragon]

I just guesstimate

[crystal wren]

The units we use here are so confusing...

[sand frost]

You live in a strange land, full of slugs and stones

[crystal wren]

Human weight? Stone. Cooking weights? Sometimes grams. Human heights? Feet and inches. Distances? Miles! Lengths under distance level? Meters!

Milk? Pints! Pop/soda/anything else liquid? Litres!

[safe dragon]

idk what y'all are doin over there

how much is a pint even

568 milliliters

[sand frost]

I know the common conversions by memory, but doing the arithmetic can be annoying

454 grams

[crystal wren]

I can convert grams to kilograms and vice-versa...

Flawlessly, in fact!

[safe dragon]

me too

[sand frost]

Lmao

[safe dragon]

I too am capable of moving a decimal point

[sand frost]

I know a cup is around 200-250 mL, right?

[safe dragon]

that depends

[crystal wren]

237, apparently!

For a US cup...

[ivory shadow]

Fuck kilograms. Use kibigrams just to mess with people.

[safe dragon]

an imperial cup it's 284

[sand frost]

I just use US recipes by volume, though

Like the recipes I grew up making I still make

[ivory shadow]

I almost never see a recipe in the US that uses anything other than volume.

[sand frost]

I know recipes by weight are more accurate but it’s not how I learned

Also I have a few of them memorized

[marble jewel]

This may be my downfall, but I actively try not to commit much to my memory that I know is easily retrievable within seconds

[ivory shadow]

Well, volume or distinct counts of something. "Two eggs" as an example

[crystal wren]

This is exactly why I've memorised zero unit conversions!

[sand frost]

I can’t not memorize things I see often enough tbh

[safe dragon]

surely it uses weight to measure out like, pasta

[marble jewel]

I know I'm capable of memorizing things easily, which is why I actively try to restrict it

[ivory shadow]

I have no control over what I memorize. My brain picks the stupidest stuff to memorize.

[safe dragon]

you're not gonna say a cup of spaghetti

[sand frost]

Atra will pop in any minute to mention their memory 😛

I don’t measure when I cook

[ivory shadow]

I still have a windows XP product key memorized.

[marble jewel]

I've accidentally memorized license plates by looking at them and realizing there's a pattern

[safe dragon]

75 strands of spaghetti please

[sand frost]

Spaghetti units are in eyeballs

[crystal wren]

Wait, that's a great point... how is pasta measured there?

[marble jewel]

I'm afraid if I don't throttle my memory, I'll end up with a bunch of useless information taking up my brain space

[sand frost]

No idea, I don’t measure it

I just pick up some

[marble jewel]

Pasta is measured by the handful

[crystal wren]

That's fair, actually.

[sand frost]

Put it in the pot

[crystal wren]

Pasta's more of a garnish.

[marble jewel]

I usually cook two handfuls of fettuccine

[safe dragon]

what if you're using a pasta shape you're not used to

[sand frost]

If I make too much pasta I just eat leftovers

[ivory shadow]

Pasta is measured in boxes, obviously

[safe dragon]

a whole box of pasta

hope you have a family of five or more

[sand frost]

Usually it’s just me, so a whole box is too much

But I know from experience most pasta shapes

And I mostly just cook my favorites anyways

[marble jewel]

Forget pasta units, what's the deal with serving sizes, huh? Can anyone explain that?

[sand frost]

Life is short, eat the best pasta shapes

Curly ones are the best, also fettuccine

[safe dragon]

in the us, they pick whatever serving size makes their product not look as bad for you

[marble jewel]

What human being is one serving size calibrated to?

[cinder karma]

Also how do I 401k

[ivory shadow]

What's the deal with airplane food?

[sand frost]

Atra why is there pasta in your 401k

[safe dragon]

doesn't work quite so well in the EU since you're legally required to list the 100g nutrition values

[sand frost]

401k is a long way to run

[marble jewel]

Don't get ahead of yourself, you should 400k first

Don't run before you walk

[safe dragon]

don't worry, you have decades of time to run the 401k

[ivory shadow]

401,000 is entirely too much pasta.

I would start with less.

[marble jewel]

I swear, based on serving sizes, I eat a family worth of food every meal

[safe dragon]

when they claim on a box of cookies that a singular cookie is the server size

or like a single handful of pringles

lies

but it makes their calories and sugar content look better since it's listed by serving size...

[sand frost]

Dirty dirty lies

[marble jewel]

It's the FDA trying to shame me for my appetite

[safe dragon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRMcZhqlVpE

[ivory shadow]

You know what I hate? When a package that only has one of something is considered more than one thing.

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-quotes-ben-stiller-funny-center-for-ants-gif-3548514

[ivory shadow]

"Hey, check out our big cookie! It's only 50 calories*!"
*if you eat like 10% of it

[marble jewel]

Serving sizes be like

[safe dragon]

please eat only half the kitkat and give the other half to someone else

[ivory shadow]

No

[marble jewel]

#programmers-off-topic lol

[sand frost]

Yeah, we program Kit Kats here 😛

[marble jewel]

I think it should be programmers-off-topic

It's programmers going off topic from anything at all

[sand frost]

Accurate

[tropic anchor]

If we're on the topic of food, question for the americans, why is all your "extreme sour" candy so extremely underwhelming?

[sand frost]

Idk it tastes pretty sour to me

[ivory shadow]

I wish I knew

[pliant snow]

I swear it used to be much worse

[sand frost]

But I don’t like extreme sour

[pliant snow]

as a kid I remember some of them really fucking people up, but theyre tame now

[sand frost]

I like “a bit sour and also sweet” but I guess that doesn’t roll off the tongue

[marble jewel]

You gotta remember with America, our baseline is very sweet. What you call cake, we call bread.

[ivory shadow]

Honestly I bet there were lawsuits and now there are regulations about being too sour

[sand frost]

I’m with Khloe

That seems very American

[tropic anchor]

Friend of mine brought these back from Orlando, honestly, barely sour

And warheads too, just sweet

[marble jewel]

That and they realized they can change the formula slightly without it going noticed to save a fraction of a penny, and did that over and over again hundreds of times over years

Shrinkflation

Works in ways other than making things smaller

[tropic anchor]

This as well, when I went they had some limited flavor drink, one sip and you'd need a dentist appointment

[cinder karma]

Is serving size government defined

[cinder karma]

Did you try the death lemonade?

[tropic anchor]

Nope, but judging by the name, I think I'm glad I didn't

[marble jewel]

Maybe they should be, or at least standardized, because when I would find them most useful is when I'm trying to compare the nutritional value of things, but sometimes that requires some fractional head math to really understand which thing is better

[cinder karma]

Tbh often I never look at those

(I cook from scratch)

[cinder karma]

Just 237mg of caffiene

[marble jewel]

I mostly cook from scratch too, and nutritional value is relevant when considering raw ingredients

Like I'll improvise recipes, and still have to make choices when I'm shopping for my pantry items

[sand frost]

Your caffeine tolerance is sky high lol

[tropic anchor]

See, glad I didn't, did a full stop on energy drinks last december, to reduce my caffiene intake

[sand frost]

Meanwhile I drink tea and feel antsy the rest of the day

[crystal wren]

Meanwhile, I just had my bed time cup of coffee.

[sand frost]

bedtime coffee??

[marble jewel]

2 cups of coffee a day is my limit. Once in the morning to wake up, and once mid-day to get me through.

[tropic anchor]

[crystal wren]

It does nothing to me outside of multiple energy drink levels.

[sand frost]

I’ve banned myself from coffee after noon and honestly shouldn’t even have coffee at all

But I like it, so sometimes I indulge

[marble jewel]

I used to work at Starbucks and had a ridiculously high caffeine tolerance, but no more

[crystal wren]

It's not even a buildup of tolerance for me, it's that... one gene that affects caffeine metabolism.

[sand frost]

The internet says that if im susceptible to anxiety i shouldn’t have caffeine, which is super tragic

[marble jewel]

Even though you're not American, that's another trait we have, most people have some baseline thing about them that others would consider to be excessive

Maybe you work too hard, drink too much, not get enough sleep, whatever it may be.

[tropic anchor]

That's not exclusive to Americans, everyone has that

[marble jewel]

True, but I do think there's a reputation for us doing things in excess

[sand frost]

If it’s Americans, by European standards we all work too hard

[marble jewel]

Taking time off is not very common among Americans. Our identities are tied to our work.

[tropic anchor]

And also you guys get sick days, If I'm sick I call my job and they tell me to get well soon

[marble jewel]

Thankfully, if I'm sick I get to work from home

[tropic anchor]

There's no, "You spend your 10 sick days already, better come in anyway"

[marble jewel]

I say that like it's a privilege (which it is out here), but most don't actually try to take time off to get better

[pliant snow]

y-yeah i cant live without the joy my job brings me

[tropic anchor]

My dad likes to say: "We work to live, while americans live to work"

[marble jewel]

What gets me too is that in places like the restaurant industry where you're worried about covering shifts, that's where they get the most pushback for trying to take sick time off

They'd rather sick people spread their disease to everyone else than take the time off

I am Job

[tropic anchor]

One thing I did like about the US, Wallmart. Ya'll have 1 giant store which is the same size as my towns largest shopping center

I've never walked down one line going "Drinks, Toys, Kni- KNIVES!?!"

[safe dragon]

US likes its gigantic stores

with equally gigantic parking lots

[tropic anchor]

For their unnecessarily giant trucks

You live in a suburb dan, drop the F150

[safe dragon]

that are not used for anything one would normally decide to buy a truck for

[cinder karma]

Lol

Sheku was like "what do you mean, after work on Sunday"

[tropic anchor]

... You work sundays?

[safe dragon]

do you just have a different two day weekend instead

[sand frost]

Every day is work

Just some days less work

And no meetings

Or less meetings

[tropic anchor]

[safe dragon]

I'd lose my mind

[sand frost]

(Atra and I are in more of the “high skills high education high commitment” space)

So it’s not necessarily representative of American jobs, though I won’t argue it’s entirely non-representative

[tropic anchor]

I'm working my way to get a 4 day work week, meanwhile you sitting at your desk on a weekend

[sand frost]

Well, I also don’t do most of my work at my desk

[safe dragon]

I too sit at my desk on a weekend but not for work

[sand frost]

I work at my bedroom desk, a coffee shop, my bed, and my work desk

[marble jewel]

It’s great until to realize the tactics large superstores employ to undercut and drive local stores out of business

[sand frost]

Sometimes at the kitchen table

[safe dragon]

people actually work in coffee shops?

that's not just like a funky influencer thing

[sand frost]

Yeah, I focus better with noise

And one of the local shops does a promotion where if you pay in advance for the month you get a discount, and they’re nearly empty around midday

It helps me take breaks at good times and beat the traffic to spend the morning there

[safe dragon]

interesting

I work best in complete silence

[tropic anchor]

You can do it here too crumble, but it's just... rare

[sand frost]

I grew up in a noisy household

I suspect people’s noise habits and tolerance develop as a child

[safe dragon]

probably

[cinder karma]

I only did that when I worked in LA

[safe dragon]

I know people who grew with the radio or tv on permanently which would drive me completely mad

[cinder karma]

Then I would work at Starbucks in the evenings

Cuz my roomies smoked pot

And I couldn't stand that

[sand frost]

I was so lonely one summer as an intern I played the radio so I wouldn’t feel so alone

Still probably better than roomies who smoke though

[tropic anchor]

Happens here too (Less, but still a bit) the difference is I can't buy everything in 1 place

[safe dragon]

I don't want specialty stores to disappear

[tropic anchor]

There's a store here, which if you find a product at a lower price elsewhere, they'll update theirs to match and give you the product for free

[safe dragon]

I've heard of deals like that a few times here as well

I am too lazy to pay attention to that

[tropic anchor]

I've had it once, pack of cookies, like 5 cents difference, they changed the price, but changed it back a week later, so I got two free packs of cookies

[marble jewel]

Walmart is particularly nefarious for this

[cinder karma]

Walmart isn't really cheaper tbh

For produce especially

[marble jewel]

They replace every specialty store with a bunch of jobs that pay less than livable wages

[tropic anchor]

I've seen, a cucumber there is the same price as a box of candy with enough sugar to cause a high

[cinder karma]

I feel that's like processed food in general tbh

[safe dragon]

from what I understand dollar general has killed many many stores as well

[cinder karma]

meanwhile: I feel like led light bulbs are more expensive now?

somehow?

YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO GET CHEAPER, TECHNOLOGY

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-chosen-one-you-were-the-chosen-one-gif-7521423

Over their lifespan, they may still be

[cinder karma]

Yeah, I need specialty bulbs (t8, 2ft, preferably ballast bypass)

I just don't want 25 of them

[crystal wren]

Speaking of bulbs, Edison style screw ins are evil and I will not be convinced otherwise.

[cinder karma]

or, you know, to pay $10 a bulb

[marble jewel]

“Big light bulb” has gotta shift profits from disposable tech somehow

[cinder karma]

it's replacement for fluorescent so I guess I'll just pay up.

[tropic anchor]

I'll be damned if "Big light bulb" becomes a real thing

[cinder karma]

(to be exact: the bulb is fine. The ballast is dying.)

I can either

• replace the ballast ($20, but modern ballasts also don't die) and continue to use old bulbs
• rewire to take LEDs

I've been doing the second.

[sand frost]

The fact that you know how to rewrire stuff is intimidating 😛 but it makes sense

I don’t touch the zap zap stuff

[safe dragon]

me neither

[cinder karma]

I mean, an LED is.

well

two wires.

One hot, one neutral. Pretty hard to screw up

[sand frost]

Yeeees but

[safe dragon]

idk man that's a 50/50

[crystal wren]

Certain types of bulbs are one long wire! /j

[cinder karma]

It's also like. Well, AC.

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/challenge-accepted-challenge-accepted-gif-21781157

[cinder karma]

Crumble, it's not 50/50, you literally just attach a wire to both ends, done

[sand frost]

The wall has some strong zaps

I am merely mortal

[safe dragon]

I've screwed in plenty lightbulb wires but that's not really rewiring in it's just hanging up a lamp

[cinder karma]

maybe I should get into the LED rewire business as a side hustle

(nah, I'm not a licensed electrician.)

[marble jewel]

I want to replace all the light switches in my house, but I have a lot of fear and respect for electricity

[sand frost]

Someday I’ll live somewhere I care about fixing the outlets

[cinder karma]

meanwhile, work is like "you're really, like, nonchalant about the 700C soldering iron in your hand, you know?"

me: "hey, I haven't burned myself yet."

[crystal wren]

Things like that get dangerous when you worry about them too much!

[sand frost]

It’s best to worry a small but healthy amount

[crystal wren]

Exactly!

[sand frost]

Most accidents happen when people get complacent

[cinder karma]

the trick is knowing only half of it gets hot

so you can ignore the instructions and hot swap tips fine

[crystal wren]

And which end.

[marble jewel]

Even if I don’t zap myself, who’s to say I don’t end up burning my house down sometime way later

[cinder karma]

....you twist two wires together with the cap thingie

[safe dragon]

I haven't even seen a soldering iron in like 15 years

[sand frost]

Good wiring isn’t too hard if you’re neat

[cinder karma]

A five year old can do it

[sand frost]

how??

[cinder karma]

(I do recommend, however, following convention when it comes to wiring colors.)

[crystal wren]

I like my Hakko... though the poor thing is so underused.

[safe dragon]

where would I see a soldering iron

[cinder karma]

don't be the jackass who wires everything in weird colors like blue

[sand frost]

What if you need to do janky home electronics destruction repair

They’re like $10 for a cheap one so I just have one at home

But I used one at work recently

[cinder karma]

I don't have one at home but like

Work has them, so

[safe dragon]

one company I'm looking at does a ton of embedded stuff and hires electrical engineers so I assume they have soldering irons...

I have the shakiest hands known to man I cannot be trusted with a soldering iron

I take like 5 tries to get a screw into its spot when screwing in a motherboard

tiny ass screws in awkward locations

[pliant snow]

I had this ancient one from radio shack for years. I got one of those pinecils people recommend... and have yet had a reason to use it

[shadow wing]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/722623506809880587/1245246644056756275/20240528_213124.jpg?ex=66580dcf&is=6656bc4f&hm=8ddf5f26dc270cd6f5ce7087e582b1401f45fa2644c579083c08b157ec540a7d&

[sonic mirage]

// i am speed

[safe dragon]

I like how it changed an infinite number of files

[crystal wren]

I love that it's still getting comments to this day. https://github.com/torvalds/linux/pull/447

[thin estuary]

I’m surprised it’s not locked yet

[pliant snow]

I dont think they really look at the github at all

[lethal walrus]

I did not except to see "free robux click here" on a linux kernal PR

[upbeat turtle]

Spammers gotta keep spamming!

[lethal walrus]

...

the horror

[thin estuary]

I’m hoping it’s an implicit return

Still bad

[safe dragon]

I'm not even sure if this makes sense or not

cause the point of a finally block is that it's guaranteed to run after a try catch

wait

no

this is fucked

I didn't read it right

[thin estuary]

A return in the finally block should override the return from the try block

I don’t have a problem with that

The question is if that’s an implicit return or not

[upbeat turtle]

I wonder if you put "return copyVar;" below the finally if it'll change the behaviour

Still messed up

[thin estuary]

That would make it so much worse

[upbeat turtle]

IMO, return should override finally. However, finally ALWAYS runs after a try. =mind blown=

On the other hand, return cannot fail, either.

[safe dragon]

an implicit return just assumed the variable you assigned somewhere in there is what you want to return sounds like a strange thing to do

[thin estuary]

The thing is, you can have a return IN a finally

[upbeat turtle]

A return IN a finally makes sense. NOT returning when explicitly returning doesn't make sense

[safe dragon]

so does an early return inside a try finally block just not work in gamemaker

that's what I'm gathering from this

I mean it probably stops executing whatever is in the try

but it ignored what was intended to be returned

[ivory shadow]

Finally, someone invented JavaScript but worse

[cinder karma]

What the fuck?

[pliant snow]

Yeah, I'm fine with it not returning 123, but it returning 456 is bizarre

[safe dragon]

I am once again in the camp "this conversation shouldn't be necessary, this should be a compilation error"

programming language that try their hardest to make any broken code "work" anyway are my worst enemy

[pliant snow]

errors are scary, just never throw errors

[ivory shadow]

My guess: the return statement is randomly taking control of a local variable to store its value.

(Or maybe it's not random and that's a special name?)

[safe dragon]

worst case scenario none of this was intended and it's popping a random value from the stack to return

[frosty echo]

I think that's a better case than this being intentional

[safe dragon]

defined behavior vs undefined behavior...

really it's just bad regardless

[cinder karma]

C style assigns. Implicit returns. Try finally. My head hurts

[pliant snow]

Does that count as C style assigns

[cinder karma]

.... I'm not sure

[dapper sinew]

@pliant snow mind if i ask you some Linux questions in DMs, im pretty in need of help getting tensorflow up

[pliant snow]

Sure

[dapper sinew]

Thank you

[supple ether]

Fuck gamemaker for real

Godot 4 life

[rain lotus]

github is quickly scraping off significant portions of my remaining lifespan
can someone please tell me how i make it play nice with visual studios? specifically when i hit pull it just creates doubled up versions of all the code in my files and i go from no errors to about 200 because everything's been duplicated. it won't let me push to the repo because the local and remote repos don't line up (even though they're the exact same code and files in the same layout now since i manually uploaded each one from my file explorer), but it won't let me pull or sync the remote.

[deep drum]

Git CLI tbh. I always make my junior engineers learn how to use git without any sort of GUI help.
GitKracken is a great gui though, if you don't want to mess with VS git integration

[rain lotus]

command lines are absolutely unreasonably scary i'd never used one before this month, but if it's the only way to make this work then ill bite that bullet. i know the problems im running into are user error but wow this was not built to be user friendly

[deep drum]

not sure if you're talking about VS or git. I'm not a big fan of VS, I use Rider.
But Git is unfortunately very powerful, which can sacrifice user friendliness... It's a certain amount of just memorizing the correct CLI commands until you start to get a grasp of things.

at the very least, git status is always your friend to see where you're at

[marble jewel]

Other than when you run into a conflict, most of what you'd use in the Cli for git is like 3 commands

[rain lotus]

git sadly, ive been using it for a few years from a "get code" side of things but now i'm attempting to upload repos and such and i'm struggling a lot more than i want to be

[marble jewel]

tbh I like certain visual tools for dealing with git, and I'll go outside of my IDE to use them (specifically when dealing with things like conflicts)

Sublime Merge has been my go to as of late

[deep drum]

Rider has good conflict management, I'll usually use that

[marble jewel]

Although Rider is really good now

Beat me to it

[deep drum]

#1 JetBrains shill

[marble jewel]

Hey that's my title /s

[rain lotus]

all i want to be able to do is work on this project with a second person and not have every file break horribly any time one of us tries to upload a commit >.>

[deep drum]

that's also on you two to not mess up, git won't magically fix that problem

[marble jewel]

If you can't get Rider for free, I've found VS Code with GitLens is pretty good too

[rain lotus]

i know, its definitely just user error

[deep drum]

if you're new to collaborating with git, make sure you always pull before you commit + push changes, you never know what someone did while you were coding

[rain lotus]

but knowing im using it wrong doesnt make using it right any easier ykno? i've watched 2 videos and read a few guides and i feel like i'm drowning lowkey

[deep drum]

and if you can't pull because of a conflict, git stash, git pull, git stash apply

[rain lotus]

thats what i've been trying to do but if i use either github desktop or vs to pull first, it doesn't pull it duplicates all the code within the files

[deep drum]

then resolve conflicts, git add, and follow the instructions in git status

[marble jewel]

If you really want to get fancy, you'd feature branch your changes and merge them into your "main" branch

[deep drum]

[marble jewel]

So all of your changes are just a paper trail of features

[rain lotus]

i definitely don't want to get fancy i've broken many things trying to get basic

[marble jewel]

It's not too fancy, but it helps ensure the integrity of your changes

[deep drum]

if you're really having a bad time of it, I'd be happy to hop in a VC with you and try to straighten it out if you share your screen lol

[marble jewel]

(I don't do feature branches when it comes to modding, and neither do most people)

[deep drum]

I mandate it for my work repos, but since I'm just contributing to master (I don't own the UIInfoSuite repo), I just work in my fork main

[marble jewel]

Digus is one of the only modders I've seen do proper feature branches

[rain lotus]

if you can show me where i'm messing this all up id definitely appreciate it because at this point every time i want to change one line of code i'm reuploading the entire file via drag and drop, then deleting my local files entirely and reinstalling them from github and this is simply unsustainable lol

(slight exaggeration but its how it feels)

[deep drum]

aw am I not allowed to screenshare in the voice channels in here?

[indigo mist]

@deep drum You leveled up to Farmer. You're now a prettier shade of blue. Thanks for sticking around!

[marble jewel]

I am impressed

[ivory shadow]

Horrifying.

[marble jewel]

Treating modding like it's a job

[deep drum]

@rain lotus do you mind if I call you then? seems we can't do it in this server

[rain lotus]

i don't mind at all

[sand frost]

I can't say i've ever had that particular problem in git, but I can say that the learning curve is definitely real for git

My first few attempts to do pull requests ended in flaming failures

[marble jewel]

One thing I like about branches + merge is that you can squash the branch and the commits on your main are all tied to the single change

[sand frost]

I honestly don't know how to squash

When I was first doing git, I would write down the magic incantations in a little note

[marble jewel]

Squash is just taking all the commit history of your feature and grouping them into one thing when it comes to the main branch history

[sand frost]

and then run them in the command lne

[marble jewel]

You get a clean history of feature1, feature2, bugfix, bugfix, ...

[sand frost]

eventually I now actually know what the magic words mean

Interesting, maybe I should learn squash then, since I have a commit history made of a bajillion small fixes usually

[marble jewel]

I don't do this, but I like the idea of it

It's easier to just push to main all the time

[crystal wren]

Hey wait no, that's my title!

[marble jewel]

For example, this is what Digus history looks like

[marble jewel]

I continue to use Rider even though Debugging has been broken for me for months. I literally debug in Visual Studio off to the side as I develop in Rider.

Because for whatever reason Rider stopped allowing me to hot reload

[crystal wren]

Oh wow, you still never got that fixed?

[marble jewel]

Never did.... no idea why

So I just have two huge-memory applications running side-by-side as I do SDV development

[crystal wren]

What else is RAM even for?

[marble jewel]

It's why I have 64GB of it

[cinder karma]

I make sure main is always the released version

That way if I vanish

Someone else can pick it up

Then again

It's been two months

Someone else, where are you

[supple ether]

I don't use branches at all

except better beehouses bc I made a separate one for 1.6 dev when I was updating it

[sand frost]

You told me I wasn’t allowed to 😛

I only use branches to PR

[rain lotus]

aha that was a mess but Absorbed did a great job at hand holding me through

also discovered my nice fancy mic has died between conference calls so thats cool

[deep drum]

Rider only allows hot reload when not debugging, it works in normal run. It's a pain but I usually just switch between the run configurations

[rain lotus]

im pretty sure i was managing to use github without having github installed

[marble jewel]

Yeah, I figured that out too, but I need my breakpoints when I'm debugging my messy code

[strange copper]

i forgot github had a desktop client actually

is it worth?

[deep drum]

git CLI for lyfe

[strange copper]

i'm a cli user except when it comes to resolving merge conflicts. then i use the vscode gui lol

[deep drum]

valid

[strange copper]

i'll be doing a project in a whole other IDE but i open vscode for the merge lol

[rain lotus]

nope its quite useless im finding very rapidly

[strange copper]

understandable

[rain lotus]

but absorbed had to guide me through installing git bash and was quite surprised that vs had been letting me do github things without it

[marble jewel]

I have like four different tools I use for different purposes which are all just frontends to git

[deep drum]

they ended up not having git CLI installed

[rain lotus]

the secret was that vs was not letting me in actuality

[deep drum]

and one git status showed what the issue was

[strange copper]

git bash is my favorite terminal

[supple ether]

I like windows terminal but only because its got tabs and I've made it look all pretty

also the quake terminal is fun

I have it set to use a nice chunky pixel font (November) and the whole thing has this nice aero-glass-style effect to it

[marble jewel]

Windows Terminal is my go to also, I have preconfigured settings for each of the ssh connections I make complete with their own icon

It's aesthetically appealing, and very convenient

[deep drum]

I'm a windows hater, but they kinda popped off with the terminal

[rain lotus]

i can make the terminal not ugly and hard to read 👀

[marble jewel]

Plus with spaceship starship I have a consistent terminal prompt no matter which OS I connect to

[rain lotus]

hey i have a question that should probably be known but i don't know most things i should /lh
if i use pull before pushing my update won't that erase the stuff i want to push
alternatively because ive seen that not be the case, why not

[deep drum]

if you've committed and then pull, Git will do its best to try and merge the two together intelligently.
In the case that it can't, like if you and someone else have changed exactly the same lines, it'll ask you to fix the file up manually

a good thing to look up if it happens is "fixing merge conflict manually"

[marble jewel]

pull replaces what's considered to be current in the branch, but your uncommitted changes will still be presented relative to that branch

[deep drum]

technically it's fetch + merge iirc

[marble jewel]

https://tenor.com/view/fetch-gif-9410231

[deep drum]

😦

I love fetch

[marble jewel]

j/k

Just made me think of that reference

[deep drum]

you can also do git fetch + git rebase origin/master to try and get their changes and put yours on top of that (which I prefer but is a bit more in depth than you probably want to go)

[rain lotus]

i like your funky words magic man

[deep drum]

lmao I had this same conversation at work recently, apparently I'm like the only one that uses fetch

[rain lotus]

what does fetch.. do?

[deep drum]

Merge is trying to get someone else's changes to fit your new code, Rebase is trying to make your code fit into someone else's changes

fetch just "fetches" the latest information from github, but doesn't do anything with it yet

[rain lotus]

collect data for use, instead of use data

[deep drum]

so pull being fetch + merge means it'll get the latest changes from github, and then try and fit them into your files

[bleak laurel]

I hate squash commits, they can be a mess with multiples devs and features if you do stuff like cherry picking and need to check how the code evolved between them. For personal repository it ca be handy.
But I usually just commit when I'm finished anyway.
I do amend commits if just before merging I find something I missed. So it's like squashing anyway.

I used to create features branches for stardew valley repository, but now I'm just committing in the develop before releasing and merge to master when I upload the package.

[deep drum]

squash commits are my enemy

fixup or shut up

[marble jewel]

Y'all are still better than me who just pushes directly onto master

[bleak laurel]

I don't have time for feature branches now, I got a kid. Any minute I can save is precious.

[deep drum]

I'm the gatekeeper for my SE team's git stuff so I get to be picky 🙂

[rain lotus]

gizzymo is not a coder and im as much a coder as a housecat is an apex predator so on the one hand this looks hard and on the other hand maybe it could prevent the two of us from messing each other up as frequently if i figure it out

[deep drum]

the best way to avoid sadness is probably just to use what works, and do it often

[bleak laurel]

I did create a feature branch when I created the optional Content Patcher version for Advanced Cask Mod, and merged when I made it the official version.

[rain lotus]

(read: i want to be but the limitations of evolution have barred me from acting on that reality most of the time haha)

commit every 3 lines, got it

[marble jewel]

tbh, for what you're doing, you could probably get by with a cloud-synced folder. Every major cloud file storage has revertible history.

[deep drum]

they're working with other people though, sounds dangerous for co-editing

[marble jewel]

Like your scratching the surface on git so you're not getting the benefit, and it's just overhead

Google Drive, OneDrive, and Dropbox all support working on the same file at the same time

[deep drum]

oh do they really?

huh

[marble jewel]

I guess the asterisk is it depends on if you're working in their tools for editing

But I do OneDrive with Office all the time

[rain lotus]

yeah i really should go back to using an interface i understand better but i'm trying to learn before using it becomes an outright need and that means a lot of trial and error

i have a learning disability and an absolute inability to accept that something is too hard for me to learn if i just keep trying

[marble jewel]

Because git can be powerful, but that's when you get into some of its inner workings. The UI stuff usually doesn't expose a lot of that. Or at least doesn't make it any easier to work with.

UI great for basic pull/push, and maybe a bit of conflict resolution

Like I'm not averse to using different tools for similar purposes if I feel like each one is specialized or more suited than the others

And cloud storage is good at doing just that

[cinder karma]

You have important things to do

(And so do i)

[sand frost]

hissssss

distressingly accurate

why must you be so smart

[cinder karma]

Hey, I once bought dry ice from you know where and tried to walk the mile back to you know where

Some kind stranger saw me and gave me a ride

[sand frost]

i hope your hands were ok

[cinder karma]

Yeah, because a kind stranger gave me a ride XD

I was not killed!

[pliant snow]

dry ice from you know where
the supermarket?

[sand frost]

that's a good baseline.......

but we can strive for better than not killed!!

[cinder karma]

(Elizabeth and I used to live in the same city)

(I'm being cautious to not give it away.)

[tropic anchor]

Isn't being alive peak OK

[sand frost]

it could be from the dry ice mines

dug up from deep underground

The dry ice black market

[pliant snow]

has anyone tried podman

does it have any advantages

[safe dragon]

idk what it is

is it an mp3 player

oh it is not

[pliant snow]

its redhat's docker alternative

[marble jewel]

I've considered, but every time I research it, I find out it's not quite as a drop-in replacement as they say it should be

I'm not ready to deal with the migration pain, and most of docker's downsides can be mitigated like running rootless

[pliant snow]

Thats my experience more or less

[dapper sinew]

I PREVAIL

AAAAAAAAAAAA

[pliant snow]

oh dear

[strange copper]

watch out, butter bear has cuda 😭

[dapper sinew]

its been

3 WEEKS OF WORK

[strange copper]

but now... ai time

[dapper sinew]

[dapper sinew]

I PREVAIL TWICE OVER, got my mining card working now :3

[wintry aurora]

hiii smart people, i'm doing a hw assignment with C++ and i'm trying to figure out if either of these methods are "better" than the other in this circumstance

they accomplish the exact same thing so i'm mostly just wondering if there's a difference that i'm missing lol

[gaunt wadi]

https://benjojo.co.uk/u/benjojo/h/3RDQ97768tt28Tk321

Discord tries to predict at least your age and gender

You can turn off discord using those predictions (https://support.discord.com/hc/en-us/articles/21865322754327-Data-Used-to-Personalize-Discord) although I'm not sure if that also stops them from making the predictions

We shall see when I get my data export

[strange copper]

i'm personally a fan of the no-throw version

[deep drum]

Sure they technically accomplish the same thing, but in terms of readability, throwing is the worse option here.
(imo) you should only be throwing to completely break out of a procedure, method, etc up to a predetermined point (the catch).
The error printout is much easier to read and comprehend at a glance

[strange copper]

(also you don't need the parentheses around all your "ors")

[deep drum]

Also -1 point for == false

while(!isValidInput)

[wintry aurora]

i have to do it that way or i'll lose points on the assignment. it's to keep things "organized"

[strange copper]

but they don't group anything

surely you don't need the nested grouping

the second one with the groups inside

[deep drum]

Professors do be doin some weird shit

[strange copper]

imo it's less readable that way but i'm not ur professor so

i am sorry for ur loss

[wintry aurora]

you're so right btw, i've been doing hw for way too long LOL

[deep drum]

It’s a personal pet peeve lol i had to call it out

[strange copper]

are you allowed break statements? idk if it's technically "better" but i'd be inclined to infinite loop with a break statement

get the input, break if it's good, after the break statement print out that it was an error and loop again

[wintry aurora]

we can use them yeah. i usually just don't think about them lmao

[strange copper]

i think about this video all the time and i realize i am this guy

[deep drum]

https://youtu.be/CFRhGnuXG-4?si=-AxMUhBoRPX8M3jP

Come on dude

How you gonna post the same the same thing as me

[strange copper]

i think you win bc you used a brain cell to like. copy the link rather than snipping tool

but i am a never nester i am unashamed i will do whatever it takes to not open another set of braces

[deep drum]

Literally the first place my brain went

[strange copper]

the day i learned ternaries.... ohohohohoho game changer

[deep drum]

I’m gonna stop you right there

[strange copper]

no please i never go more than 2 ternary layers

[deep drum]

Because if you chain ternaries you go to jail

[strange copper]

let me have this

[deep drum]

Oh good

[strange copper]

i never do more than 2 trust i can be trusted

because!!! otherwise you've nested!!!

and i am a never nester 😌

[wintry aurora]

LMAO honestly i can very easily be converted, braces are my biggest downfall

there's always one missing somewhere......

[strange copper]

if the loop or the if is short i'll go single-line

it makes me feel something

[deep drum]

Guard statements are superior to if else ladders in every way

[strange copper]

define me a guard statement

i am curious

[deep drum]

Aka early return

[wintry aurora]

as am i 👀

[strange copper]

oh early return my beloved

guard statements are superior now that i know what they are i AGREE

[deep drum]

When I was learning I had my revaluation moment where I just looked at my enormous if else ladder in disgust

[wintry aurora]

spare an example for me please i cannot visualize for the life of me 🤲

[strange copper]

the intro series at my university bans breaks and early returns

[strange copper]

while True:
   user_input = input()
   if user_input == 5:
       break
   
   print("BAD USER TRY AGAIN")

idk why i made that so aggressive 💀

[wintry aurora]

that's what the user gets for being naughty

[strange copper]

I couldn't think of a good early return example

[deep drum]

void MyFunction() {
    if(someCondition) {
        for(var i = 0; i < 10; i++) {
          Console.WriteLine($"Iteration {i}");
        }
    } else {
        Console.WriteLine("Second");
    }
}

// vs

void MyFunction() {
    if(!someCondition) {
        Console.WriteLine("Second");
        return;
    }

    for(var i = 0; i < 10; i++) {
        Console.WriteLine($"Iteration {i}");
    }
}

the "happy path" gets to continue down the method body in a very readable fashion while all the bad cases get filtered out

public static bool RenderBuildingOutput(Building? building, List<string> entries)
    {
      if (building is null)
      {
        return false;
      }

      List<Item?> inputItems = new();
      List<Item?> outputItems = new();
      MachineHelper.GetBuildingChestItems(building, inputItems, outputItems);

      Dictionary<string, int> inputItemsMap = GetItemCountMap(inputItems);
      Dictionary<string, int> outputItemsMap = GetItemCountMap(outputItems);

      if (inputItemsMap.Count > 0)
      {
        entries.Add($"{I18n.MachineProcessing()}:");
        foreach ((string displayName, int count) in inputItemsMap)
        {
          entries.Add($"{displayName} x{count}");
        }
      }

      if (outputItemsMap.Count <= 0)
      {
        return true;
      }

      if (inputItemsMap.Count > 0)
      {
        entries.Add("");
      }

      entries.Add($"{I18n.MachineDone()}:");
      foreach ((string displayName, int count) in outputItemsMap)
      {
        entries.Add($"{displayName} x{count}");
      }


      return true;
    }

Here's an example from my mod

[strange copper]

Programming patterns is such a fun subject

[deep drum]

In this one, each nested block has a specific objective that you can visually see, which makes the code easier to understand

I wish I could say all my stuff is neat, but it's not lol

but it's a good habit to try and be in

[strange copper]

It all goes out the window when the deadline comes up anywya

[wintry aurora]

thank you guys for sharing your wisdom..... i learned new things tonight

back to the grind

[wintry aurora]

uhhhh is there a way in VSC to rollback to a previous version of your solution. i fucked up

[safe dragon]

not vscode itself no, source control/git does that job

git does integrate into vscode though

but I'm guessing you haven't been using it considering the question

[wintry aurora]

vscommunity, sorry i should have specified

actually, probably should have just said vs LOL. im frazzled right now

[safe dragon]

ah, well same answer ultimately

[wintry aurora]

welp

goodbye to 6 hours of work then

[safe dragon]

learning about source control the hard way

[dapper sinew]

RAAAHHHHH

[trim relic]

The true first step with any project is git init

[safe dragon]

yes

or just pressing some button "no git repository detected, would you like to create one?" info header

[crystal wren]

$ mkpr new-project
hint: Using 'master' as the name for the initial branch. This default branch name
hint: is subject to change. To configure the initial branch name to use in all
hint: of your new repositories, which will suppress this warning, call:
hint: 
hint:     git config --global init.defaultBranch <name>
hint: 
hint: Names commonly chosen instead of 'master' are 'main', 'trunk' and
hint: 'development'. The just-created branch can be renamed via this command:
hint: 
hint:     git branch -m <name>
Initialised empty Git repository in /home/alan/new-project/.git/

Perfect and flawless idea that will never go wrong.

[deep drum]

mfw git init

[worn remnant]

that's insane. i am also a never-nester and a never-thrower and i can't imagine life without early return

[pliant snow]

Early returns I can at least somewhat understand. I'm a fan of them, but I know there are some codebases that prefer to not do them for readability. Banning breaks is just stupid though, there's some operations I think you would just be screwed

There are some places where nesting is better. Lua doesn't have continues, so if you're doing conditionals in a loop, you either have to nest or use a goto statement

I did this just yesterday lol

[worn remnant]

well, i would simply never use lua, so /lh

[cinder karma]

Please, I only use gotos and exceptions as control flow

(Insert clip of Taylor Swift singing "it's an art")

[pliant snow]

/lh
lucky... let's... logic?...

the h is honest maybe...

[worn remnant]

lighthearted! (tone indicator)

[pliant snow]

lighthearted

thats my problem with the tone indicators, I'll learn them, then forget by the end of the month and have no idea

[dapper sinew]

https://toneindicators.carrd.co/#masterlist

[cinder karma]

See, I just prefer the old fashioned tone indicators, ascii emojis 😛

[dapper sinew]

i use this sometimes

[cinder karma]

....discord why

[dapper sinew]

:3

[safe dragon]

early returns are great for guards

if someone passes a null value or something

[deep drum]

Exactly, no need to wrap your entire function in an if statement if you could just leave early

[safe dragon]

for the break though

what is the alternative

adding an extra clause to when your loop should stop and setting a boolean?

[cinder karma]

Just raise stop iteration

Like guido intended

[safe dragon]

i += 10000

much better than a break

[cinder karma]

Use a goto

[safe dragon]

rewrite the whole thing to be recursive

recursive but no early returns...

nasty

[pliant snow]

i was thinking a goto, but yeah a boolean would be "cleaner"

thats still stupid tho

[upbeat turtle]

Stack smashing

[cinder karma]

When was framework 3.5

Why do I have to

[crystal wren]

I think... XP days?

[pliant snow]

thought you meant the laptop for a sec lol