God of Destruction Toppo

[chilly venture]

Wait what divine rule does that again?

[lament valley]

The star thing where if you get it you get reduce cooldown

You get it from attacking towers

[chilly venture]

Oh Yh, it feels like I rarely get that divine card

[lament valley]

But if your able to use your moves as intended in their towers (they have to be in your range or you swamp to the gekishin burst move)

Then a lot more decision making will be involved no?

Yes it’s situational but in a situation like that you can do a game changing move

[chilly venture]

Wait why would cell use Gekishin high on the first card?

[lament valley]

His ult turns into a cage

Imagine you trap one person with you as you go and burst the tower

Now the enemy just has to watch as a tank tanks their solo teammate attack as they burst their tower

Very situational but if it works then it game changer

[chilly venture]

Oh so you’re saying they should revamp the gekishin card to be able to choose between attacking the enemy tower or using your skills on the enemy while you’re on their tower

[lament valley]

YES

That would be dope to have choices

[chilly venture]

Ah I get it. That could be an interesting strategy but I don’t think I would take gekishin high for a tank as the first card

[lament valley]

Would be nice to have that choice in mind 😭

Can Helps close range dps like 18 when diving tower with their teammates

[chilly venture]

For a technical, 100% would make a difference

[chilly venture]

I see what you mean

[lament valley]

Gives choices and let characters be more surprising with the right cards and in the right environment

[chilly venture]

Makes it easier to apply pressure on the enemy while still being able to damage tower

[lament valley]

Beside needing to revamp the 2nd row of blue cards

Few improvements with the cards could make the game peak

[chilly venture]

DEVS! I HOPE YOURE NOTING THIS DOWN!

😭

Nah deadass tho

I want this game to succeed

Ever since this game released, I deleted dragon ball legends

I’m so done with that game

I’ve been playing dbl for like over 6 years. I started when the first green ssj3 came out

At this point, I’m so tired of that game

So many issues

Hopefully this game isn’t as bad in the long run

Hopefully😭 🙏

[lament valley]

As long as I got Dokkan

I am satisfied atp

Dropped legends post part 1 of festival 2024

Been playing for 5 and enjoyed it but god is it buns 💔

[glad pilot]

best build for toppo ??

[zenith silo]

In my opinion it’s snowball, barrier & limit breaking jump

[hearty seal]

Running Buu and Toppo same lane is really strong

[zenith silo]

Toppo + Buu & Toppo + Gothenks

are the best I've seen

& Vegeta

Can't lie

[lofty horizon]

these combos are insane

i love it

@lament valley @chilly venture idk how y'all do it

been playing legends since august 2018, and yet i still stick around with this game

legends fest MIGHT be the last straw, but that also depends on the genkidama stream for january

[weary egret]

Let Toppo take the hits for his counter and then stun them with Gotenks s1 so they don’t escape

It’s awesome

[lament valley]

Can't imagine anything hype beside existing ideas they SHOULD'VE already added by now

[zenith silo]

Yeah, I think it’s fair to say anyone that get stunned around him is basically done for

[lament valley]

imo so far buu seem to be his best partner

with the healing and debuffing alongside turning them into candy

which allows toppo to build up stacks freely

been seeing gimmicks where he is paired with baby to aid in his defense

[weary egret]

You just need a character with debuff minus speed

And they would work well with Toppo tbh

[lament valley]

Which buu gives with his S1

[weary egret]

Which Gotenks gives with his s3

The skills you are going to be spamming most with in combat

[lament valley]

Doesn't last long enough imo tbh

[lofty horizon]

yea i;m with you on this

still waiting on those precious manga characters

speaking of, toppo makes me yearn for UE vegeta even more

[lament valley]

Ay the Gacha games added manga stuff along side one piece going on break?

Might be a sign

[lofty horizon]

mhmmmm

and it's not like the games don;t want to add these forms

look at how xv2 handled usv vegeta and golden frieza

[dense fulcrum]

Toppo and Baby work really well together

[zenith silo]

Probably. Simply because he can heal and slow down enemies

Not to mention he can still attack basically anyone while behind Toppo

So hes not in too much danger of dying too fast, and Toppo can suck up all the attacks to try and get a S3 off

[naive linden]

So what to maximize on Toppo's skill?
Like what do I lvl up first and what cards do I use?

[lament valley]

S2 > S3 > S1 > ULT, Cycle between S2/S3 and ULT afterwards

Snowball/Build up, Giant Slayer/Solid barrier and LBJ imo

[zenith silo]

Snowball/Solid Barrier/Limit Breaking Jump

Max S2 first

then S3

I'd max ult before S1

cause S1 is fine at LV. 2

open up fights with S1

rush attack, then S2

then u can pick either one because ur damage will ramp up from there

When ur using S1 u can also use it to close distance, so use it while ur getting close enough to land it

as opposed to just walking up and using it

S2 u can use when they running at u while ur tryna escape w/ rush attacks

[sharp seal]

How are you supposed to play around Toppo's reflective shield if your hero does prolonged damage over time?

For example, as a Vegeta. Do I just hold my S2 or S1 until I've seen him use his reflective shield? It seems unfun to play against

[lofty horizon]

seems goku is also not a great matchup for toppo

yes toppo can counter his kamehameha

but it s a lot less predictable with the way he quickly fires it and his s2 + kaioken can stun him

and stuns are the worst for his counter

[sharp seal]

Do stuns cancel the retaliation?

[zenith silo]

Yes

[zenith silo]

I know this might be common sense to some, but I didn't 100% figure this out until yesterday

His counter still triggers even if they don't have a Mark

[dense fulcrum]

Well yeah, S1 and S3 only build up marks, S2 does too but also does extra damage to marked enemies and his ult does too

But only S2 and Ult benefit from more marks as they do more damage per mark

[zenith silo]

I used to think it only triggered on those who were marked

[wooden cove]

The current build I'm using and it seems to work is; Build Up, Steel Skin, Wicked Warrior and focus on S2 and S3, I really only use S1 for mark build up and I don't need the range since I'm very offensive heavy with him and push a lot

[zenith silo]

Why steel skin over barrier?

[wooden cove]

I play pretty aggressively with Toppo so I never really give myself enough time for it to trigger

[cosmic creek]

How does toppo's counter work, exactly?

Is it like if you activate it and the enemy hits you and is in range at the end of the activation period then it shoots a blast of damage back at them?

But is there a cap to it? Like if they do too much damage to you then it gets deactivated? Or can you pretty much one shot ppl that tried to burst you down?

[wooden cove]

@cosmic creek so essentially it works like Cell regen so the more damage you take the more damage it'll do and I'm not sure if there's a cap, there might be but essentially you get an aura when you activate the counter and the more damage you take the bigger that aura will become

[lofty horizon]

i believe there is a cap cause it doesn't work against the whole team since too much damage is being taken

[wooden cove]

If it is a cap I think it's the hp you gain since when you activate the counter you get temporary ho that's orange so it probably does that amount of damage

So essentially: the amount of temporary hp = damage cap

Since that makes the most sense imo

Because it does look like it can do that amount of damage if used well

[meager jay]

This guy needs some buffs lol

mid ladder menace but nothing else type of character

[cunning cliff]

So the mega-knight of sqaudra

[meager jay]

kinda lmao

[wooden cove]

The biggest buff he needs is HP but other than that I think he's pretty good

[zenith silo]

He doesn’t even need a buff really. He’s a perfectly balanced character imo.

Give him too much health and he’ll never be able to lose a 1v1 at same level.

Too much damage and he will never lose a 1v1 period

[meager jay]

He’s as bad as Bojack

[zenith silo]

Not at all.

If you think that, you just suck with him. I'll be honest

He is beyond easy to use, beyond easy to get kills with

[meager jay]

🥹 ur trash

[zenith silo]

Beyond easy to snowball with and apply map-wide pressure with

Assuming you're swapping lanes when needed of course ^

[meager jay]

what is you rank in damage

💖

[zenith silo]

Right now im A4

[meager jay]

so ur trash

k

[zenith silo]

im going through each rank getting it to A4

[meager jay]

ur still in midladder ofc u think hes good

[zenith silo]

You just called a character who can almost guarantee 2 kills in a team fight as bad as Bojack

:I

[zenith silo]

I have friends in S who are saying the same thing, so that is irrelevant as hell

[meager jay]

bojack can also gurantee 2 kills in a teamfight 🥹

if ur good at the game

anyone can

[zenith silo]

Ah I see, ur just a troll & delusional. Got it.

[meager jay]

I have top 100 players saying that hes trash so ur irrelevant ash

🤣

[zenith silo]

Should have picked that up when u said the 2nd highest rank in the game is mid ladder

[meager jay]

holy crap

do u not know

the game really starts at S rank/A1

❤️‍🩹

ignorance is bliss ig

if youve never hit A1 before youd never know

[meager jay]

#✨game-moments message
this convo made me want to play a match with Toppo

2400 game btw
Enemy was all S rank
🙏 “if yOU tHiNK tOPpO iS bAD YoU are JuST baD at ToPPo!1!1!1!1!”

[zenith silo]

I get it, you’re not smart. I said if you think Toppo is as bad as Bojack.

If you want to quote me, do it right.

[meager jay]

Same thing smartass

Bros resorting to this

[zenith silo]

Totally the same thing.

[inner agate]

even tho you say he’s bad do you know anything about him? Im still learning him

[meager jay]

Are we deadass

Read the convo

[dense fulcrum]

He has a pretty okay boss confirm if you build up stacks into ult, use counter vs things that opponents can't properly stop like ssj3 goku's kamehameha
Counter can be good but it's also very predictable, you can use it to deny kais, just pop onto the kai low HP and pop counter, then they have to decide to either take it with counter damage or lose it

Try not to be too predictable with your counter, your S2 is your priority in getting max asap, he's a pretty okay bruiser and 1v1 champ, but be careful in teamfights, don't be the first to go in and realize your counter won't be effective here because they can burst through it

Early game he's really good, slowly falls off more, but he's a balanced dps if you ask me, his S1 is probably his worst so max it out last because I believe it doesn't really end up doing that more dps comparatively to the rest of your kit

[inner agate]

btw you didn’t say anything about cards or skills to use im only A4 which is mid ladder yea? Answer the question.

[inner agate]

okay understandable. I do use build up, but i get stuck on the last to. I either end up building to squishy and can’t get in and out or i build to tanky and lose a lot of damage. I only have 3 days of experience so that would help a lot.

[dense fulcrum]

It can also depend on how the game goes, if you notice yourself getting kills early and your lane is somewhat easy, i'd pick snowball as first card, but if not go with build up. Solid barrier is always a good second choice and third one i usually go for limit breaking jump since toppo doesn't have any proper escapes

You don't lose that much damage in comparison, he's still very strong when you go tanky, if you do a lot of dps but get deleted in an instant you do less dps lol

[inner agate]

All i see

[inner agate]

trunks is still op😭🙏

[meager jay]

When did I need to say anything about what skills or cards to use lmao
You didn’t ask me explicitly, the convo wasn’t about specifics
I can go into how trash his kit is if you want tho lmao

[dense fulcrum]

It's hard to be nice and decent isn't it

[meager jay]

bro just said "answer the question" like he was tuff 🙏 who tf are u lmao

[dense fulcrum]

What comes around, goes around lol, anyway if you're happy acting this way have at it

[meager jay]

[inner agate]

btw all YOU had to do was read. “even tho you say he’s bad do you know anything about him? Im still learning him.” This mean that i am curious if you know the character, and also means that i am ASKING YOU not directly but still ASKING if you could help me with a character that I am not familiar with .

[meager jay]

😭 theres no way ur still dragging ts
you were not clear on communication there brochacho how tf am I supposed to know that u wanted help from me

[meager jay]

here you go pookiebear

cards
snowball/buildup, barrier, lbj
if you are learning him (if you are bad)
or
buildup, prepare to die, pursuer
s2 max > s3 > ult/s1
start of game ignore s1 go s2 then s3 then s3 level 2 then ult
level 2 counter obliterates at the early levels if you can hit it

why is he trash:

About his DoT:
His DoT only stacks to 4 so it doesnt rlly do that much dmg
Doesnt really give him enough speed to chase and it relies on vision

S1 might just be the worst skill in the game, it does little to no damage basically only used to apply mark of destruction
and it gets nothing from levels besides range which lets be honest sucks + the range makes his blasts spread more which makes it harder to hit (it was already hard to hit unless u are at point blank range and atp idek what the enemy is doing)

S2 just gets a range increase and barely any damage increase

S3 gets countered by everything (and everyone with more than 5 braincells) which is ironic since its the counter
its only really great/useful early game
which is really sad I very much enjoy his s3
it just has...
Short duration
Small range
Gets countered by any form of vision denial
gets countered by stuns
Gets countered by VANISHING!!!!
Gets countered by Barrier
you can legit name 90% of the entire cast and they just either ignore him or counter him

Ult doesnt benefit AT ALL from levels which just makes it so trash lmao
the initial hits of the ult have more range but the important hit (the core) stays almost the same size on all 3 levels
Weird that they made hakai a multihit

So not only does he NOT benefit as much as other heroes from levels,
but he can also be bursted easily by either A: Baiting out S3- B: stunning him out of S3 or C: just having someone with rush attack base skills (like gammas who are rn btw top tier dps both in burning boss and just overall teamfighting) just - run him down through that S3 because they dgaf since it doesnt reduce rush based damage at all

Buff Toppo.

I hope you like the wall of text

this is not specifically targeted to you youre not that special
I hope this channel ejoys it

[inner agate]

Alright bud you forgetting i literally have 2 days of experience, and of course i like wall of text. Shows you care that much to type that much.

You’re good boy👍

[meager jay]

"youre forgetting" WHO ARE YOU 😂

I honestly just copypasted my thoughts from another place

[meager jay]

.

bluddington thinks hes tuff

[zenith silo]

Very strange to type this much in Toppo thread for someone that thinks he’s as bad as Bojack

[meager jay]

dude what is even your argument atp irrelevant ahh

I like toppo

I enjoy toppo

do I still think hes bad and as bad as bojack yes!

or is your brain so small you cant understand that you can like a character and say hes bad aswell

🤡

[zenith silo]

“atp”

That is the only statement I made, and it wasn’t an argument

I get it, you want to feel more important than you are

However not every comment made on discord is about arguing with you, unfortunately for you.

[meager jay]

blud thinking hes the main character
delving into the psyche ahh
and no that was not the only statement you made we lit had a convo or do you have short term memory cause that tracks too

crazy how you think it wasnt an argument tho but as I said before

ignorance is bliss

[hearty seal]

He does need a better Ult and his Skill 1 should stack more than it does resulting in more DoT

[meager jay]

His ult should be single hit imo

[lament valley]

Man wish his ULT was just a bowling ball

Want to get kills out of my sight range

[meager jay]

yooo that would be sick

🔥

[lament valley]

Toppo really is a jack of all trades and master of none 😭

Burst damage with the counter yet main gimmick is DOT

Wants the fight to last longer yet doesn’t have the defense to support it

Wants to be a boss killer yet takes a lot longer then the other boss killers (Frieza and base Goku)

Gains speed to chase down enemies yet most can scurry to safety (Congrats you match buu in speed)

[meager jay]

wow they really released this guy and then bombshell s2 characters
this guy is gonna be one of the most forgetten characters which is really a shame I love him a lot
but not more than SSj4 VEGETA AND Z BROLYYYYYY

WAIT.

S2 boosts

modifier

might make toppo relevant

[lament valley]

Might switch up the dps rotation a bit since all the top dps S2 aren’t that good (Beside Nameku ofc)

[meager jay]

ye

[lament valley]

But ofc that just makes him a situational character at best

[last zenith]

Yup. It really hurts characters like SSJ3, but for Toppo, his S2 is better than S1

[lofty horizon]

toppo gonna love movement speed and s2 boost divine draw

[dense fulcrum]

As it should

[lament valley]

We really getting shadow buffed Toppo

[turbid quest]

Solid barrier or giant slayer?

[weary egret]

What is the best tank to work with you toppos

[lofty horizon]

Nah frfr

And I’m all here for it

[lament valley]

Cooler or baby, the rest aren’t that good or hinders him

[weary egret]

Understood

I’ve just been playing baby personally

[last zenith]

Just had a thought. Is Toppo, like stoopid against any AoE attacks / team fights? because to counter is S3 you just stop attack, but if you keep close to a teammate their attacks are still going to charge his S3?

[dense fulcrum]

Anybody that attacks him will get the damage off, but the issue is if they do enough damage to you, they'll hit you out of the counter, meaning you don't do anything and that's more than likely going to happen in a teamfight

[last zenith]

Wait, he can get knocked out of the counter? Damn

[dense fulcrum]

I am not 100% sure but I believe if you manage to get rid of that extra HP he gets, he gets out of it

[weary egret]

Nah he still stays in the counter, but he’s just more likely to die

I think you’re thinking about kale

[dense fulcrum]

I could've sworn you get kicked out of it, but I could be wrong then

[zenith silo]

Not at all.

[meager jay]

He can get stunned while countering

[inner agate]

thanks for the toppo guide now im A1 on dmg

[inner agate]

yes he can

[meager jay]

Np

[wooden cove]

Bad take, he's good

[wooden cove]

That's like one of the things that's bad about him

But I get it, it's for balancing sake

[meager jay]

read what I posted

[meager jay]

why is he good in your opinion

[wooden cove]

There's a lot to read

[meager jay]

🤯

bad take

[wooden cove]

No like

There's a lot of messages to go through

So what specifically

Do you want me to read

[meager jay]

.

[wooden cove]

Well for starters I've never done bad with him and I've always been able to 1v2 with him with considerable ease of course I don't okay often so I'm not a high rank but I've been having a good time with him

[meager jay]

I said he is a mid ladder menace

that tracks

in higher level play he is not good

[wooden cove]

That's all fair points

The whole vision thing is definitely very annoying

Like again

I understand why they did what they did

But they don't understand that it makes him kind of bad in certain aspects

I would like them to buff his s3 so it either A. It can't get stunned or shutdowned so easily or B. It can hit as long as they're in range

[white geyser]

He’s like b tier at best

To say he’s like pre buffed bojack is kinda crazy gang

[white geyser]

I would say the hit matchup is TERRIBLE

[hot kiln]

Best cards for toppo post update?

[lament valley]

Defensive toppo is damn near necessary with all the defense card getting buffed

[meager jay]

supprised he didnt get a single buff

still as bad as ever

[turbid quest]

Defense step is kinda goated on him ngl

[hot kiln]

So snowball, barrier and like defensive step

[white geyser]

Okay let’s make it c tier, I see it now💀

Climbing in. B 2 rn and ooh boy it’s getting ROUGH

Imo it feels like he should’ve been a tank, these moves feel like they should be giving you more health

Sucks cuz like when broly comes out I’ll prolly never touch toppo again

[tacit plaza]

Is Super Starting Toppos Skill 3 an optimal move?

[prime plover]

If they're pretty aggressive, yea

[zenith silo]

Probably Skill 2 in a void

[dense fulcrum]

No because unless youre playing VS bad ppl its too predictable. S2 is guaranteed big aoe

[white geyser]

Just make the counter invincible ffs he shouldn’t lose the stance from stagger at all

[dense fulcrum]

Ultimate Gohan is going to be his worst nightmare lol since staggers or similar effects seem to becoming more common

[white geyser]

Yea it’s GG’s

[mighty falcon]

Toppo is honestly easily the top 3 best damage units

Its not even funny

[mighty falcon]

Even after gohan

He tears through ANY characters health bar like a cheese grater

[dense fulcrum]

He's good but not THAT good

He's in the middle

[rare island]

Which is why we main him

[deft shale]

they should buff his counter making it unstoppable

[dense fulcrum]

Idk about completely unstoppable but it shouldnt be stopped by EVERYTHING

[zenith silo]

There is 0 reason a counter should be able to be interrupted, let's be serious here

Imagine any other fighting game where a counter gets stopped by anything but a grab

not every stun in the game

[dense fulcrum]

You just proved my point, it doesn't have to counter literally everything and a fighting game isn't a fair comparison as it follows different rules
A counter should not make you completely immune to everything and being unable to be kicked out because that way you could just pop it during a teamfight / boss fight and gg

It needs SOME way to be stopped, not as easy as it is now

[zenith silo]

A grab.

Not every single stagger / stun in the game

😭 😭 😭

[dense fulcrum]

My man I said multiple times I said it should have some ways to be countered, but not by EVERY single stun or stagger in the game

[zenith silo]

No I’m pointing out that I’m agreeing with u lmao

[dense fulcrum]

o Oops

[dense fulcrum]

I've had some effect on withholding the counter until mid match (never using it at all before) and it seems it can catch people off guard since they assume you don't really use it
Idk if a fluke or not but it happened quite a few times now

[deft shale]

always max counter before justice flash trust me

amnd his spin is hus best

move

[dense fulcrum]

Obv but that's just because justice flash is pitiful lol

[naive linden]

So since there might be a chance of Toppo getting buffed when Broly comes
What do yall want to see him be better?

[turbid quest]

Unstoppable during counter

Buff cooldown reduction passive

That’s it

[mortal obsidian]

Which divine cards you tske with toppo?

Im doing snowball, solid barrier and puesuer

[naive linden]

Same thing but I got buildup instead of snowball

[mortal obsidian]

I might try that

I feel that I die too easily on tramfights

Still probably my fault, im new with him

[hearty seal]

Build Up, Giant Slayer, and Pursuer has been my go to Toppo build

[lucid sun]

I just got him

[twin trail]

its a really dumb idea to start fights off with s2 right?

[dense fulcrum]

I mean depends on the context of the situation but i wouldnt say its bad, but are you talking about teamfights or like 2v2 or 1v1 or whats the context? because S1 isnt great and going in using s3 is super predictable

[twin trail]

I do not play toppo, but I assume you’re gonna want to start fights off with a s1 or two to build destruction stacks and then use s2, as it does damage based off destruction stacks

[dense fulcrum]

In theory you'd say this yes but the damage from s1 is so bad that you're better off doing S2 instantly and still get more damage like that as you still apply marks during the spin
At most i'd put 1 point in s1 for that stack but never more, so you can play around a little like that but the boost is not as significant as you'd think

His damage comes from the dot damage so boosting your spin is just kinda whatever

[twin trail]

Hmmmmm I see

The thing I said first was mainly to complain about a toppo I had on my team

[mortal crescent]

hey yall

[zenith silo]

Hola

[lucid sun]

We need a buff

[zenith silo]

I found out yesterday that I'm a top 300 Toppo

[mortal crescent]

Vegito coming soon

What do you guys think is going to happen in the matchup

I personally think it might be good . Him spamming aoe just makes him easier to counter and since he has to go in it’s all the easier to shred him

[mortal crescent]

toppo players

hows the new season rn

and cards going into this new season

build up nerfed and your squishy

[mortal crescent]

@zenith silo hey tuffles , how is toppo now

whats the strategy

cards i mean

build up got heavily changed

[zenith silo]

Have not played him this season yet.

i can get into a game rq tho

[small stone]

He's still pretty fun when you're being like a bandicoot.

https://tenor.com/view/crash-bandicoot-spin-video-game-gif-11264407

But the build up nerf might ruin his counter

[blissful sinew]

Hello,I got toppo today.

What cards are good for him?

[small stone]

"Too Easy!", Steel Skin and Wicked warrior.

But that's just what I've been using ever since the build up nerf

[twin trail]

Do NOT use too easy

[thick carbon]

“Too easy”🥀

[small stone]

Oh yeah, forgot the explanation mark, thanks for catching that!

[twin trail]

build up might have gotten a nerf but too easy is still a throw card

[blissful sinew]

Is it? I was trying toppo out with too easy and it saved me a lot of times

[lucid sun]

Its good

To easy, giant sayler and green vanish step

Better go full green to easy, barrier and vanish step

At least Abe said so in last video🤷‍♀️

[mortal crescent]

its a suprise check imo

[pallid dock]

Genuinely why does toppo have such garbage defense?

[slate parrot]

hypothetically could guardian angel proc his counter

[small peak]

hey

no obstruction on skill 3

[mortal crescent]

Yes ssj4 can’t bully him

But uub hard counters him harder

So we still in the gutter sadly

[mortal crescent]

No sorry

[slate parrot]

oh that’s unfortunate

good thing i never grabbed it tho i didn’t wanna try till it was confirmed

[mortal crescent]

I haven’t actually tested it but I’m pretty sure it won’t work cause it’s passive like damage

I think it’s counted like toppos dot mechanic where it can’t trigger counters

[true oar]

toppo is viable now

I can't believe it LMAAAOOO

[hexed onyx]

Finally Gohan and Vegeta can't stun you out of counter

And gamma as well, a blessing

[blissful sinew]

TOPPO BROS

WE WON

[lucid sun]

Told we need buff and they did it

[mortal crescent]

How yall make him work rn

struggling a bit to run down targets cause of how slow he his and high cooldowns

[mortal crescent]

Toppo enjoyers . What’s the counter play to uub rn?

[mortal crescent]

Toppo players

Been thinking of ways to make toppo more consistent

And iv been thinking how his weakness of having bad engagements

We. Trying to play him more like a body guard type of semi tank for your squishy dps

A lot easier to hit counter when they are trying to hit someone else

@blissful sinew hey what do you think of prepare to die on toppo ?

Been trying it a bit

[blissful sinew]

Sup.

I run prepare to die on toppo a lot,because usually people just dont stop swinging at my counter so they are left at low hp

Prepare to die is good on characters who cant really close the gap,id say.

[mortal crescent]

exactly

[pallid dock]

No obstruction on toppo's skill 3 kinda slaps

[blissful sinew]

Yeah that feels like something he should have had as a baseline.

[lucid sun]

Still dudes on YT in tierlists put him low like B where sometimes they have

Z,S,A,B,C and D

[mortal crescent]

he feels like a Bteir

i cant deny that

no obstruction is good , it changed the ss4 matchup a lot ( you dont get hard bullied)

bardock is running the game rn but when ss4 gets back in play he will be valued higher

sadly though

[lucid sun]

Thats nice true

[mortal crescent]

uub matchup is still horrible

idk how people actually think toppo counters uub?

[lucid sun]

Havent try ubb after buff yet

[mortal crescent]

if his counter didnt have a max distance sure but iv played uub all night and its so broken

[mortal crescent]

broken

skill 2 has the entire 6 second of no cc

[lucid sun]

What card to use?

[mortal crescent]

at all ranks

for uub.

[lucid sun]

On Ubb

Mhm

[mortal crescent]

snowball , sheild and either triple jump or wicked warrior

triple jump mostly to kite out herous like vegito

[lucid sun]

Oh aggresive i would goo too easy, ginat slayer and defence step good i asked😅

[blissful sinew]

Abe,one of the best GS players,put him in the same tier as low tiers like 18,and cell

[nocturne charm]

For the seasoned Toppo users, what cards do you recommend? What order should i max skills? About to unlock Toppo and I usually see the ops using him with good success. Wanna use him right and looking to lean on the experts

[blissful sinew]

I don't agree with his take,btw.

[mortal crescent]

I can help out

So for super early lane take skill 1 and 2 for farming

Skill 1 is what you use to make enemies and rly your only skill shot you have to hit cause that extra mark it gives the enemies is helpful

An important thing you need to know

When you hit a mob with your passive and rush attack them

Your cooldowns reduce faster

Slightly not huge but it helps

Max skills are weird for toppo

Skill 2 is your first max

But after I recommend leveling your skill 1 to lv 2 at least cause the extra range is needed

After that just max out skill 3 and then ult .

This can be switched if your team is relying on your secure as well on bosses

To simplify

Skill 2 maxed ~> skill 1 lv 2 ~> skill 3~> ult ~> skill 1 lv 3

Cards is basically

Too easy

Prepare to die

And double jump/ or defense step if your facing large asf ults like vegito / Goku

You’re probably asking why prepare to die .

Well it works well cause toppo can already shred someone with passive easily

Sadly he has a rough time finishing kills

It’s a good 1v1 card for herous like toppo . Your job is to act like the body guard / 1v1 merchant

Now you would think it makes his tank shredding bad but you still shred them easily

Cause stacking passive is easy on tanks

Though ask others cause you will get better ideas .

@nocturne charm biggest lesson is do not chase kills

Pls don’t

That’s why I took prepare to die

To help with confirming kills but don’t chase kills

Toppo is slow asf and large

If your out of position you will die

If the enemy dps is leaving with 1 hp then sadly you have to give it up

[nocturne charm]

Thats a lot of detail. Appreciate it fam! Gonna give it a run later on tonight and see how she goes.

[twin trail]

the toppo buffs will feed generations

[mortal crescent]

@zenith silo yo dude hows toppo been treating you this season

recently iv been seeing people take skill 3 early lane instead of skill 1

and iv been thinking what you think cards are rn for toppo , prepare to die has been fine

but im still thinking between gaint slayer

since your like top 300 toppo how do you use ults in fights ? or do you soley save it for secures

also toppo enjoyers

do yall think its better to spin anytime the cooldown is up

or maybe hold it for the bonus damage when they have stacks on them

[zenith silo]

I have not gotten to play him this season unfortunately

I almost always run snowball on toppo

and Giant Slayer

[deft kraken]

You got right perks 🔝

[mortal crescent]

Hello toppo players

How yall doing

so hows yall expereince vs kefla

[zenith silo]

Counta

Is useless vs her

Cause she will get out of range before it ends

[mortal crescent]

yeahhh

been facing that too

been trying to make him a lot

his ult isnt even a good secure due to the hp buff for second and third boss

[true oar]

your either

using it wrong

or your missing

[mortal crescent]

No and no

[true oar]

you do a skill first that inflicts his DOT THEN you press his ult

[mortal crescent]

I know the mark mechanic

[true oar]

so why are you saying its not even a good secure

it is

lamo

[mortal crescent]

The ult

Can’t secure from even quarter hp on bosses like ribrain

[true oar]

what are we talking about\

it literally

does EXACTLY that\

[mortal crescent]

No it doesn’t

[true oar]

show proof

rn

[mortal crescent]

wtf ? do you expect me to have a picture of me securing boss ?

[true oar]

training mode aint that hard man

trust me

[mortal crescent]

dude

[lucid sinew]

what cards do yall typically get nowadays on toppo?

[mortal crescent]

Well the build is pretty standard

Easy , gaint slayer and defense step

Personally

I use a slightly different build

I use prepare to die over gaint slayer if I see miss kaylifa and uub on the enemy team

Reason simple

Im not gonna be able to rush attack them nearly as often to make gaint slayer worth it

So prepare to die is used to chunk them out with my skill 2 and counter

They are lower hp herous so the damage buff to help secure the kill is appreciated

@lucid sinew that’s the build rn

[lucid sinew]

thanks for the tip

[mortal crescent]

No worries

Be smart about your counter and it’s not too bad

[mortal crescent]

Hopefully our boy gets touched

[lucid sinew]

🙁 toppo no

[stoic lion]

Late but probably best to use it upon meet up right? Cause everyone opens fire on skills, so it should be wise to pop S3 upon meet up

[mortal crescent]

Ehhhh . It depends cause it’s very risky vs people who hold their skills .

Depends who you’re facing also . For example facing vegito

If you know he has ult is generally better to save it for after he ults to deter him from getting his reset or feed your counter

[blissful sinew]

I feel you should wait till the fight progresses,because it is not unlikely for someone to wait before committing to a fight.

[cosmic crater]

I been trying builds on ranked because i can truly see if they work against skilled people or not

And i've been losing so far...

[mortal crescent]

then maybe your missing something

@cosmic crater what you struggling with on toppo

toppo is tanky yeah but you kind of have to get a good idea of when he can all in enemy tanks / dps and when its time for your to just do your basic skilll 1 into 2 combo and use counter to disengage

also

a thing you need to know on toppo

his ult comes out much faster than spirit bomb

especially lv 2 /3

you can very easily catch people with it if they are close and jumping you

its not a sure fire fight win . but take my advice with the mindset of its an option , follow your gut

[pallid dock]

I think we should all agree that toppo is not good to play

[stoic lion]

I wana play him again because I have fun with non meta characters in video games

Just can’t bro, I just can’t

[hot kiln]

Imo he can put in work

[shell cloud]

I started playing him against keflas when it’s the vanish step divine draw, he kinda cooks ngl.

You js gotta time that counter cuz most good players will be patient for you to use it

[lucid sinew]

That's the real problem

[mortal crescent]

Yes and no

Sadly

Kefla has more than enough mobility to leave your counter ranger

Or just vanish the damage

[mortal crescent]

Hellooo guys

Toppo players how yall enjoying the new season and ult buffs

Imo he doesn’t need ult buffs

[blissful sinew]

It helps ig

I feel they didnt really address some of the other issues with him

[mortal crescent]

Yeah

[small peak]

Cooler can mitigate the problem of opponents vanishing step away with death field

[blissful sinew]

Hey,so I wanna play toppo in the new era,and I have no clue what his meta is rn.

Any advice?

[lucid sinew]

He's not very good rn

[mortal crescent]

@blissful sinew toppo consour here

rn imo toppo is mid .

he can be rly good and carry but you need to know how to manage your pressure and force them to hit your counter

Cards im using rn is build up / prepare to die or gaint slayer / and defense step or ltg

build up cause the extra defense earned is nice with how fast he farms

between gaint slayer and prepare to die it depends on your team comp and enemies

but rly i take prepare to die to help deal with his weakenss of having a hard time confirming kills

for the last card it rly depends on if im facing ults i cant dodge out of . like kefla ult and stuff its better to run defense step

For skill maxing its generally put a point in your spin as much as possible

second priority is skill 1 but leave it at lv 2 cause the range increase is needed . after that you max it last after everything else

after that you decide between ult max or skill 3 max . i personally use skill 3 max more for the extra range cause it is needed a lot late game to get damage with the counter .

General Tips

1. Super start max skill 2 always , people say skill 3 max is better but its basically cheese that only works once . Skill 3 ( counter) gets more bonus hp on level and early game especially you do not need that much bonus hp to win . Skill 2 is your main damage source and its main weakness is its very low range early game forcing you to take highly aggressive risks .

2. Toppo is on par with one of the strongest early game melee counters bot lane . IF you see heroes like bardock / zamasu , caulifa, you can rly easily run them down but again just cause you can doesnt mean you should , gauge your hp and with enough experience you get an idea on when you can run them down . Its mostly after a lot of games you get experience . Toppo rewards aggresive playstyle with how fast his cooldown come back.

3. SAVE COUNTER : pls pls pls pls pls , dont throw counter at the enemy and expect to get massive value . Save it for when the enemy is forcible being aggresive , for example vs kefla when she presses her skill 3 for the movespeed and attack damage increase you can walk up and use counter as she cant control where she attacks and she is forced to choose between taking the damage or walking away . ( ofc she can vanish it but counter has mental pressure for people to back off) .
   More examples are vs ults like vegito , we all know vegito players love to keep going in when ulting to get the reset , so popping counter for his massive aoe skills is always good to make sure he gets that guarenteed massive damage .

Anyways toppo rewards rly getting used to matchups and knowing if you can go for the all in / trade

he has the highest Hp in the dps role and more hp than some tanks - their armour . abuse that in lane to take a little more risk to secure farm . squishy dps have to do a lot more to kill you than others .

Been running him in S and gotting him almost through mastery 7 lmao . People call my dog water but he is just harder to pull off due to his counter inconsistency with vanish . thats something you cant out play sadly

[small stone]

Maybe toppo can counter godku's skill 2 for massive damage, it is a move that hits a lot of times.

[mortal crescent]

It can

And yeah it does do a lot of damage to them . If toppo can do it close enough it’s a good strat

Ofc the longer the game the longer range he has on it so it will be up to you to try and flank around to reach him

[kindred zinc]

What cards does toppo use?

[mortal crescent]

general cards are build up , gaint slayer and defese step / ltg

my own personal card swap is prepare to die when facing squishy ranged dps like kefla

reason being vs those type of dps with huh mobility , procing giant slayer wont matter much cause they can easily escape

[kindred zinc]

Thanks I noticed he struggles with finishing people off so ptd is good here as for the last card which do you prefer more?

[mortal crescent]

depends on who im fighting tbh . when facing hard to dodge ults like uub and kefla

[kindred zinc]

I see ill try to experiment thank you

[mortal crescent]

That’s the best thing lmao . Iv seen people use strategic escape lmao

[kindred zinc]

💀 stray escape is crazy lol

[mortal crescent]

Toppo players

I wanna ask yall for advice in certain matchups

How do yall play into super saiyan goku

Rly been struggling in this matchup due to factors like his on kiaoken

And how fast his moves come out

It’s rly hard to predict when he is going to do his burst combo

Any advice is welcome

[lucid sinew]

That's a tough one. I think the only way to combat it is to build toppo defensively

Unless you can anticipate the Goku jumping on you, you're playing in a reactionary way and toppo isn't great at that

[mortal crescent]

Yeah it’s annoying

I just can’t interact with him cause he is tanky enough to survive a short combo

And he has too Mobililty

[thick zinc]

Toppo/Dabura stocks are going up by fighting characters who actually want to fight close range (god vegeta)

[cunning cliff]

What’s the card build for toppo? I’ve been trying too easy, giant slayer and defence step like how I build broly, but I feel like there might be a better combo

[thick zinc]

Basically the same combo but just swap too easy for build up

[stoic lion]

You guys think Pursuer is good? cause it goes with his passive

[frail bear]

Which skill should be prioritise more s2 or 3 ?

[mortal crescent]

no it doesnt

his passive is independent of every thing

[mortal crescent]

skill 2 personally cause extra aoe is a god send for chasning people down

basically the level order is

put a point in skill2 whenever possible

after that leave skill 1 at level 2

and then max skill 3 or ult depending on if your facing crazy mobility / need the boss secure

skill3 max changes are the range people can hit you to be affected by your counter + more counter hp so its a good second max vs herous like kaye / kefla or ss3 . people who have lots of damage and longer range

[stoic lion]

If people get stacks of his mark of destruction, he increases his speed going towards them, and pursuer does that by lading 2 skills immediately, so shouldn’t he get like double the speed boost to hunt his prey down

[mortal crescent]

hmmm

[mortal crescent]

yes and no

[drowsy gust]

okay i had a brain blast idea to fix toppo transfer his counters energy defense up to applying Mark of Destruction so he gains more energy defense the more he applies it

[drowsy gust]

no because it literally does the same thing us that slot for defense step

[mortal crescent]

Well that would mean that mark of destruction would need to stack higher than 3

[drowsy gust]

it stacks to 4 already but this would mean his energy defense would be insane during team fights

[mortal crescent]

What do you mean by this exactly.

Do you mean changing the passive overall so that apy the mark with any of his other skills boosts his energy defense?

[drowsy gust]

yes

[mortal crescent]

If it did that , it would be nice for sure yeah

But toppo is kind of a . 1 target to the next type of fighter

Atleast that’s what i think

His skill 2 is big for sure don’t get me wrong but with his skill 1 very linear attack

He focuses on one target to get maximum damage/ cooldown reduction

So ngl I would be a buff to help his early game matchups vs ranged energy damage

It depends on how high the energy defense buff is

Imo toppo just needs quality of life and maybe a passive buff

He isn’t that bad

Just that he needs you to know how to pick your battles and understand limits

He is basically a more consistent dabura with a more stable power curve

[drowsy gust]

allow him to turn during it idk why he can't but the energy defense on his stacks would allow him to stay in a fight when he approaches ranged fighters and not get melted

[mortal crescent]

Nah even if they did

They would need to actually make his marks last longer without you rush attacking thr target

Rn marks fall off super fast within like 3 seconds I think maybe longer

[thick zinc]

That sounds fine like he gets 5% energy defense up per mark of destruction stack on the enemy heroes

[mortal crescent]

It would be flimsy

Stacks fall off way too fast

And it’s very hard to manage more than teir one mark on any other target than the one your focusing on killing

If they buffed stack duration

Amazing buff

[stoic lion]

Ty, I’ve tested it out but genuinely don’t see a different in his speed, he does need the defensive green

[vale saffron]

chat is this hero still made of paper?

[drowsy gust]

he didn't get buffed so yes

[vale saffron]

was just checking if any toppo enthusiast had a gameplan that didnt look like 2/7

[digital vector]

New tech just dropped….
Prepare to die > Giant Slayer

[digital vector]

Get low on purpose for better chance on landing counter

[last zenith]

Explain, why does being low help with the counter?

[digital vector]

The opponent most likely is directly on top of you using every thing in there kit too kill you including there vanish

Now imagine doing this with a Cell…

Free eats

😶✌️✌️

[last zenith]

Does Toppo kinda counter Broly's ult and pure Buu's scream?

[thick zinc]

Kid Buu's noisy chest drumming?
idk since he can cancel the skill early and then possibly dodge the counter
Broly's Gigantic Meteor?
Definitely since there's like a few seconds where he can't do anything during his ult you can probably just defense step into it hold the counter for a second or two then end it early while he's still in the middle of it

[drowsy gust]

you can't end counter early

[thick zinc]

Damn idk how I gaslit myself into believing that

[thick zinc]

Ykw...that should be a buff toppo gets
Slightly Increase the temp HP
increase the duration of the stance and no obstruction from like 2 seconds to 4 seconds
and give him the ability to end it early like cell's regeneration to mess up vanish timings or to just send the counter damage to some other poor sap in range

[mortal crescent]

lmao the fact this is true vs squishy people

[mortal crescent]

yes and yes

Broly ult is just free eats but stay as the end range and not close to him

counter procs off hits not damage help

and most skills have damage fall off

[blissful sinew]

Toppo has been buffed

[digital vector]

https://tenor.com/view/kiashyy-made-by-kiashyy-god-gif-gif-7951681892491421709

[thick zinc]

I feel like dispite the buffs toppo will still be toppo
Sure his S1 is wider with every level and his cooldowns are faster but it won't mean anything if he gets immediately disintegrated

[thick zinc]

You also can't just start every combat with his counter then just try to restore the cooldown since it'll be predictable and while kid goku is currently doing his best to keep 3ku/godku in check they still exist and are insanely powerful

[digital vector]

He’s still terrible

Even though on paper he’s the complete counter to ranged characters

[blissful sinew]

Ok so I played some toppo

He has the same issues,obv. Ss3 and godku blow him up,and outranging him is so easy,but compared to earlier where it felt like you had one good skill,now you actually have a toolkit,and you can really machine gun the s1 over and over and over

[digital vector]

When he’s the only character with direct energy defense btw.

[blissful sinew]

Yes,we know,he's terrible

But i think saying " He sucks" and ending any convo is reductive

It's more interesting to make him work

And he actually is pretty cool now. The flow has improved.

[drowsy gust]

the convo ends because there is nothing to talk about lol

[pliant mulch]

How is the new toppo buffs

Is it any good? Does it move him up a tier?

[drowsy gust]

no his moves flow better into each other but thats it

[pliant mulch]

Yeah I expected that

Nice buff but not impactful enough

[blissful sinew]

I think rn toppo is comparable to pre buff trunks

He now has a good flow of gameplay,but the obvious flaws still exist.

[thick zinc]

I think at this point toppo should just get energy defense up for like 1/1.5 seconds when he applies mark of destruction on enemy heroes

[kindred zinc]

Yeah this would genuinely skyrocket him up a tier imo

[drowsy gust]

Yeah I said that he should get energy defense by applying mark of destruction

[mortal crescent]

The toppo man is here

buffs are imo not bad

they make his winning matchups even better and smooth out his bad

i doubt magority will get value from it though since i see toppo as kind of a matchup dependant , get expereince of limits hero

the s1 Buff is nice though

good luck other toppo players

[mortal crescent]

would be nice asf

[pliant mulch]

Would elder Kai be better with Toppo due to the buffs

Or still keep the damage buff helper

[digital vector]

No

[drowsy gust]

Toppo already has built-in elder kai take the damage buff

[blissful sinew]

Yeah elder kai is redundant on toppo

Same reason I don't run backstab on piccolo

[pliant mulch]

I tried elder Kai before you guys commented and yeah doesn’t feel great

[drowsy gust]

you would only use elder Kai to refresh your skills on bosses but toppo already does that so it just does nothing

[mortal crescent]

no and no tbh

imo

for melee dps like toppo nail or elder kia are the only good options

nail if my team already have a decent secure secondary dps like uub , picolo , kefla

if my team doesnt have that then ill pick president and save it for boss nukes

[thick zinc]

Or use it as a bootleg gekishin high on towers

[digital vector]

Guys just use nail

Increases his dps even further

[drowsy gust]

that rush attack dps doesn't compare to king furry general damage boost

[digital vector]

A circle you’re barely gonna sit in

https://tenor.com/view/listen-to-him-dog-mediatok-gif-1242243718359361389

[drowsy gust]

????? you can't plop down the giant circle next to the boss and use your skills? skill issue tbh

[digital vector]

How the hell it’s a skill issue Im top 50 Toppo? I think I know what I’m talking about

[digital vector]

Apparently too hard to spam s1 too stack 4 marks and ult and take boss -_-

[drowsy gust]

so why are you talking about nail during boss damage?