Son Goku (Mini)

[tropic jasper]

How many people in S rank gonna try to camp stealing

[compact horizon]

every good stack will do it

every time

[tropic jasper]

Alone or two?

[compact horizon]

but average pubs like 30% rn

depends on the lineup

if its caulifla kale expect both probably

[tropic jasper]

Idk how Cauli trait works

I can still rush and skill normally

So I thought she's just bulky

[compact horizon]

shes just tied with cooler in that they can equally just bully the dps in the lane

ignore everything and just force the dps to not play the game

[tropic jasper]

As Zamasu main, I can never relate

[compact horizon]

you literally can't trade with her unless she is like sub 50% and even then ever committing onto her in lane while her dps is healthy is almost certainly getting you are your lane partner killed

cell is food

zamasu is only as annoying as his dps player is good

if you zone zamasus lane partner early and make him played scared zamasu is free af in lane

basically same thing as baby

but baby you can also just burst him make him get inside ally, wait for it to expire while staying healthy then he has to play scared or die

[tropic jasper]

As Zamasu I just run straight at my DPS

[compact horizon]

miniku owns bottom lane most matchups, just cooler is scary, gotta play real smart vs cooler and to a lesser extent caulifla

[tropic jasper]

On Kaioh bouts

Because he's good until his regen bar dry

I either kill or make them scared and forces them to leave Kaioh to kill me or get their DPS ded

[last warren]

I was just bot lane with a baby vs a nameku + baby and they rolled us because my baby never skilled s3 🙁

and like a dumbass I kept forgetting and charging in expecting to get babied

[compact horizon]

random baby teammates are always the hardest games haha

[tropic jasper]

[last warren]

I normally love a baby lane

[tropic jasper]

I stopped using Baby in lower ranks

He's good to play around A because everyone start to know what he does

[compact horizon]

I haven't had enough positive experience baby on my team games to understand what he actually brings to the team

almost always roll him in lane, and if hes on my side at best hes there i guess

he can pressure towers and jump in some1 to get away

thats nice

[tropic jasper]

He's suicidal tank

With strong CC options

If your teammate know how baby works, he's as risk free as Zamasu, but not as strong as Cooler and Cauli

They should've make his S1 to cone by default instead of just lv. 3 tho

[frank spire]

Cant seem to find jt

[raw spire]

clicking the link should take you to the clip

[compact horizon]

hit a great miniku clip showing the playstyle here in S lobby #✨game-moments message

[raw spire]

I didn't realize how much Power Pole Dance can cut down the damage of Super Kamehameha till I tried him out again today

its like 60% less damage

[sage palm]

It first reduces the first hit massively then it's reduced by an ok amount with the increased strike/energy defense buff

[torpid veldt]

I’d give him a health buff like the one that ssj 3 goku has when he gets to lvl 10-15 because his defense is kinda waeak but overall he’s a good character

[peak mulch]

I'd personally just rework power pole dance a little bit

Mini Goku is FINE defensively, it'd be unfair to make him any tankier

But his power pole dance is really good to prevent burst damage, but not so much sustained damage

And so few characters actually have good sustained damage

Like, maybe reduce the first-hit damage reduction and slightly increase the overall defense buff from Skill 3

[compact horizon]

So I've experimented a bit

and I have decided to drop pursuer

its proc rate is too low to be good

back stab just always better

especially if your lightning happens to hit enemy before bomb

then you get 2 lightning bombs

might be tech to try to make t hat happen if possible

[last warren]

Intentionally toss bomb to other side of enemy is probably easiest way

a second lightning bomb would definitely nullify pursuer damage

[compact horizon]

especially because persuer is only on 1 target every 8 seconds

which is like 500-700 more bomb dmg on that 1 target which imo is meh

[sage palm]

#✨game-moments message

Ig you'll like this one then

[compact horizon]

I seen that, yeah backstab is the way

[sage palm]

I've been telling ppl abt backstab daimaku before but eh, they prefer any damage tier 3 cards so yea

[tropic jasper]

I like LBJ more because I'm suck at spacing

[plucky phoenix]

It took 2 maybe 2 and a half hours but I figure out how to daimaku

If you're in deep trouble Bomb + Lightning + Swift Spark is the solution

[iron cairn]

I don’t see how it beats wicked given how much you pressure with autos but I want to see what I could make happen

[compact horizon]

wild take

[iron cairn]

How does backstab work exactly? Just flat cooldown duration off of your ability when it hits during the discover phase?

[compact horizon]

not 100% on the details, but if bomb hits 1st its basically up against instantly, if lightning hits first its up again by the time bomb is back up

so the value is insane

[iron cairn]

OK, 100% the play then, thank you for this 🙏🏿

[sage palm]

I would even recommend pursuer than wicked if not for backstab

With how daimaku plays, you're rarely gonna use rush outside of farming

Or finishing opponents from far away

[iron cairn]

I adjusted my playstyle and I see where I was going wrong 🙏🏿

[sage palm]

It's aight gang this why we here

[frigid jasper]

So what should I be doing? Stay out of the main frontlines?

Anyways,

Which moves to prioritize leveling up first

I know the ult is useless so I normally go for it last.

[frigid jasper]

So level 2 power pole rush at the start

Hm

[compact horizon]

huh

ohhhh

i see why you think that

right now I do 2 points in skill 1, then 1 point in skill 2

if you aren't good at aiming bombs then 1 point skill 1, 1 point skill 2, then max bomb

[frigid jasper]

oh so dont get power poleruhsuntil later

[compact horizon]

i only level power pole when i have to or if its not a good time to get lvl 2 ult because its fresh on cd

[frigid jasper]

is the ult even worth getting

[compact horizon]

the ult is massive for getting bosses before enemies can react

and it does huge dmg and will help you turn fights or open fights you otherwise wouldn't have a ability ready for

its VERY good

i often get a single or double kill in lane at lvl 5 because of ult and the enemies not being ready for it

worst case scenario you just commit it for a gold cell junior or a kai

def get used to using it and how its range works

[last warren]

I like the ult. A landed lightning combo into ult kills most dps/tech late game.

[frigid jasper]

ooh

[tropic jasper]

Is thunder lv. 4 better than bomb lv.4?

[compact horizon]

nothing is better than max bomb

[tropic jasper]

I have trouble to trigger the detonation early game

Especially when they're cautious

[sage palm]

Then just deflect it towards them instead of trying to glorio it

Or just wait to lvl 2 your bomb early and not get pole dance

[tropic jasper]

Hit them manually...

The thing I want to avoid most

[sage palm]

If glorio/pole dance is in cd and you want to deal a bomb damage, that's your only option or don't use a bomb but when y'all are fighting in obj or laning, it's pretty important to manual aim

[tropic jasper]

My ping just suck for manual aim to the point I hate it

Harrasing line with it is easier, though

But aiming people with it is a horror

[sage palm]

Wait wdym by harrasing line?

[tropic jasper]

Steal NPCs

[plucky phoenix]

Yep bomb -> lightning -> ult is literally just this https://youtu.be/QOhmcbfwxnA?si=RVqsEDrlYATixUv0

[frigid jasper]

I clicked this expecting a demonstration

You got me 😭

[plucky phoenix]

Didn't mean to get ya like that so here's an actual demonstration
#✨game-moments message

Bomb -> lightning -> is basically your control -> alt -> delete in a 1v2 or when your 1v1'ing a tank

If you already think that just bomb and lightning is that then it's -> control -> alt -> delete system 32

[iron cairn]

Pole has defensive value for skirmishes though right? Even if it’s just one point it seems like 1-2-3-ult - priority is the best leveling order for coverage, seems strange to hold Off on your one defensive until 7

[plucky phoenix]

Well personally I just got full offense in bot lane and let my tank do his job while I poke with bombs from the clouds

[iron cairn]

Understandable, but I don’t like depending on people thaaaaat heavily when the trade off is having to play less aggressively on something that can be as aggressive as mini.

I’ll try it out, because bomb is crazy good, but I do like the alternate activation condition and defense that power pole gives for a one point investment early on since you’ll be at the same offensive point by 7 anyway

[frank spire]

Attacks looks so organised on pc lol

My accuracy is around 70% on console

I guess the best thing is you can change rush target at will which is hard on console

[frank spire]

Does not it proc the moment you throw bomb and pop lightening?

[plucky phoenix]

I'm kinda starting to think that daimaku is a slighty better tank then baby/zamasu after that performance

[frank spire]

Nope

Giant slayer ve prepare to die

What do you guys go for?

I feel like giant slayer has much utility in early to mid game but less use in late game

What are your thoughts

[iron cairn]

GS is good for burst always, which works with your bomb combos, I say go for that

Works especially well with his passive and playing from behind too

[plucky phoenix]

Prepare to die if the enemy isn't a tank or 17 the first bomb + lightning will either kill them or put them under 50% plus it helps my rush attack when they'll run and it synergizes with wicked warrior

[iron cairn]

I’m not sure if this is true, but I found data that the 20% boost you get from giant slayer doesn’t drop as long as you stay in combat, so it activates earlier and provides the same boost as prepared does late, as long as you stay in the fight

https://www.reddit.com/r/DBGekishinSquadra/comments/1nnl489/divine_cards_values_the_numbers_they_could_put_in/?chainedPosts=t3_1nfg66k

[frank spire]

It does not drop thats why its bad to pair it with backstab

Pursuer runs best with GS

Backstab will require you to leave fight and comeback

[iron cairn]

Hmm, I didn’t consider this actually, fair point. I really only use backstab for that initial engage double up, where you organically leave combat because it’s over already/you’re just starting it .

If you’re front loading damage they still work together

For sustained fights PtD works better with backstab for sure

[frank spire]

Yeah they are much better better when matches are going for too long

Btw how do you defend tower from daimaku

I get so many teammates who just leaves tower and then enemy supports snipes it

Dropped from B1 to B3 😭

[iron cairn]

I struggle with doing it, he’s set up to be able to poke them even if you stop, basically you just throw something bulky in there and keep interrupting him, you can’t stop him from doing damage, but you can reduce how much

That’s actually why I started playing him, he is the damage with the lowest cool downs to where he can successfully poke like that

[frank spire]

I also struggle with him to defend

[iron cairn]

Defending with him is quite a bit simpler: your main combo still does a lot of damage on base and it’s fast enough to pop, and power pole dance keeps you alive rather well if you dart in and out between casts. Your rush range is also insane,

Remember, the interruption part of a defense doesn’t care how much damage you do, you just need to hit them quickly, after their interrupted hitting them with a bomb lightning combo usually sends them packing if they’re bulky and kills them if they’re not

He has a quality kit all of the way around, he’s an incredibly underrated hero

[plucky phoenix]

Damn it feels good to disable berserker kales with bomb + lightning

[plucky phoenix]

Not the same kale I kept denying of berserker form but the point stands
#✨game-moments message

[compact horizon]

it does but on 1 target and then its on cd for 7.5 seconds, i've seen it make the difference of about 500-700 dmg on that one target. forr an 8 second cd thats booty

probably a scam no matter what hero, I think pursuer is just a bad card compared to other tier 3 options

[frank spire]

I thought the buff stayed but yeah you are right it's just one hit

[plucky phoenix]

That's why I use wicked warrior the bomb + lightning combo will either kill them non-tank or put them in range where my rush attack will finish things

[raw spire]

I cant believe people actually thought Goku Mini was bad on launch

lol

[compact horizon]

there was a solid week where max skill 3 was considered BIS

[raw spire]

LOL

having a pocket nuke on like a 6 second cooldown is pretty good I would think

[compact horizon]

i could see a build potentially not leveling anything but 1 and 3, holding lvl 7 point and maxing 1 and 3 at lvl 8

that might be valuable in some matchups

[raw spire]

I don't really feel like S3 is that much stronger at level 3 compared to level 1

[tropic jasper]

Just got quadruple kill as Daimaku yesterday

I will murder people whoever say he's bad

[fluid spindle]

[toxic birch]

What cards do yall use for daima goku

[light ether]

it depends but I usually go all red, snowball specifically

[compact horizon]

snowball, prepare to die, backstab

[toxic birch]

Thanks yall

I’ll try em out later

[frigid jasper]

Backstab hm

[frank spire]

I swear I get the worst teammates 70% of the time

How do people even reach B1 and dont even know that you are not supposed to fight near their tower when zeno is hitting our tower

[compact horizon]

i explain it a little scroll up

[frigid jasper]

isnt that better than having someone being AFK

everytime, someones afk and im left to lane alone

its infuritating

[raw spire]

I really like a more hit and run setup for Mini

Strategic Escape, Solid Barrier, and Limit-Breaking Jump

[jovial tundra]

Red or Blue Cards? Are Damage roles supposed to be slow?

Was considering using Blue Cards for him again

[compact horizon]

tier 1 snowball and tier 3 backstab are locked in undeniable damage boost, tier 2 can be whatever you are feeling for the game atm

[frigid jasper]

i normally go bottom red

for 2nd

im forgetting the name

is on the brink of my mind

oh, prepare to die

[raw spire]

if I was to go damage I would usually go Giant Slayer for T2

since I dont think Mini Goku struggles securing kills

[jovial tundra]

Damage feels kinda slow, so I wanna catch up in case but I'll probably stick to red cards

[compact horizon]

you def feel the 4 snowball stacks diff

4 stacks nobody safe

[frank spire]

I would rather be left alone than be paired with a feeder. Not that hard to steal farm and get away from daimaku.

[frank spire]

True that. If you got any teammate which has a stun you are basically killing enemies right then and there.

[frigid jasper]

yeesh

b4 dps maining daima goku

if its super start, ive got the match in the bag.

only character i hate fighting is super saiyan 3 son goku

[frank spire]

Why? He is not even a threat

Worst enemies are ssj goku and 18 acc to me

[frigid jasper]

uhh

he always kilkls me anyways

[frank spire]

Goku 3rd helps a lot against his kamehameha

Best thing to do is sneak up on him from behind during laning

[raw spire]

yea Power Pole Dance cuts down the damage of Super Kamehameha a lot

[frank spire]

Also you can just fly through everyone and nuke ssj3 while he is charging kamehameha

Putting him below 50% if executed correctly

[frigid jasper]

How?

[frank spire]

Use the grass and your team as cover

In early game use your tank as cover and go behind

Nuke and use power pole to get out of tricky situation

Powerpole>vanish

Enemy will start getting an idea and you are doing this so be extra cautious after trying that few times

[late seal]

what are some tips for playing daima goku
what are the best card combos, skill priorites, upgrade priorites and playstyle

[ancient stratus]

Do I have to wait for the bomb to hit the ground before I call glorio? Because I press skill 2 directly after skill 1 and it takes awhile for it to detonate

[frank spire]

I choose either snowball or oolong given how my lane is going or how is other lane doing(80% time i take snowball).
2nd card would be giantslayer/ prepare to die(if enemy has tank like cooler/caulifa and we dont have the means to take care of them then i go giantslayer else prepare to die. In general prepare to die is better on daimaku coz you can get enemies below 50% easily to proc it.)
3rd one is pursuer or backstab(pursuer is better if paired with giantslayer to do insane nuke dmg but it can only be proced once 10 sec. Backstab is better used with prepare to die because giantslayer buff only stays while you are in a fight if you leave it the buff will be gone and for backstab you gotta leave and rejoin fight to maximise it)

If tanks are no issue then prepare to die and backstab are much better.

Some people go with wicked too but its quite hard to fight melee with that hp especially if enemy has nameku/trunks

[late seal]

that's very interesting ngl, i also realised that backstab has so much more value than i expected

it's why i should be trying out other cards instead of the old usual

[frank spire]

Just keep in mind to get in and out of combat

Giantslayer and pursuer nuke is very strong in 1v1

Tbh i never noticed much difference from prepare to die but I keep it because it procs easily with backstab

[late seal]

and what would be the skill priority and upgrade priority

[frigid jasper]

12 34

You can swap 4-3. This is based on my experience with him

[plucky phoenix]

I go S1 -> S2 -> Ult -> S3 overall and just try to play back double upgrade S1 then get lightning and ult then get power pole

[frigid jasper]

Yeahhh

[late seal]

very interesting

imma experiment with him tomorrow, he looks very unique and wanna see if i end up maining him or not

[frigid jasper]

Gl

[frank spire]

S1 max by lvl 8 always. Res t can vary. Focus on s2 then ult and powerpole. If you are against ssj3/other enemy which has strong energy blast then get powerpole early.

[plucky phoenix]

Don't be afraid to use your ult if your back is against the wall since it works as a counter
#✨game-moments message

[late seal]

Thanks man, hopefully I cook

[late seal]

DAAAAAMN

interesting use of the iframes

[plucky phoenix]

I was sure i was going to die if I used power pole dance to half the damage since even if i survived i probably would've been turned into candy then those two would've just killed me there so it was go big or go home

Daimaku is just the king of surprise 1v2 a$$pulls and no one can convince me otherwise

[frigid jasper]

I just dont understand his iframes

upon startup, if i try and use it while low ill just flat out die

[sage palm]

It's only at the start...

You're lucky if you used it at low hp and lived in an engagement

[frigid jasper]

I dont live at all

lol

[sage palm]

"lucky"

[frigid jasper]

Lucky hm

[sage palm]

Lucky yea.

[frigid jasper]

idk mate

[sage palm]

Man dragon ball fans really lives up to the allegations how dense can you be

Mate.

[frigid jasper]

you said "luck" i merely stated MY experinece

which isnt luck. the end result is me dying

maybe skill issue on my part but idrc, my point stands

[sage palm]

I explained a scenario IN WHICH YOU ARE LUCKY IF YOU MANAGED TO USE IT WHILE YOU'RE LOW IN HP AND SURVIVED IN AN ENGAGEMENT

YOU KEPT INSISTING THAT YOU DON'T LIVE AT ALL AND IDK MATE WHEN IT'S A LUCKY GODDAMN SCENARIO

HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND

IT'S LIKE ESTABLISHING X CHARACTER IS THE STRONGEST IF DONE THE X WAY AND YOU'LL BARGE IN AND INSIST "NAH I CAN'T DO THE X WAY WITH THIS CHARACTER SO IDK TO FEEL ABT HIM BEING THE "STRONGEST" CHARACTER"

OR SOMETHING LIKE GAMMA 2 ULT BURST IN A SCENARIO THAT NEEDS LUCK AND SKILL TO GET A PROPER USE OF IT TO GET ALL 4 KILLS, THEN YOU'LL SAY LIKE "NAH I CAN'T LAND IT, IT'S LUCK IF IT LANDS AMIRITE LOL", THEN ENDING IT WITH "IT'S NOT LANDING IN MY EXPERIENCE"

WE'RE TELLING AN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE(LUCK) SCENARIO AND YOU'RE LIKE "IT'S NOT HAPPENING LOL, NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE MATE"

YEA NO KIDDING MATE IT'S HARD TO ACTUALLY DO THAT CERTAIN SCENARIO LIKE WHAT SORT OF RESPONSE DO YOU WANT TO GET OUT OF IT

Goddamn typical dragon ball fans

[frigid jasper]

You cant be lucky if theres no result

do you not understand the definition of lucky? yet you insist i cant read

i understand your point but im sticking w mine

[sage palm]

There's this footage that it's basically near half to low hp and outplaying a 2v1 and you're still looking for result

THAT LITERALLY STARTED THIS WHOLE CONVERSATION OF OURS?

[frigid jasper]

yo

[sage palm]

HE LITERALLY EXPLAINED THAT HE COULD'VE DIED HAD HE DONE THINGS DIFFERENTLY

[frigid jasper]

i literally dont ccare abt the result

ive said MY experience its death

do you not understand???

i dont care how "lucky" you need to be, ive STATED for me its always death

[sage palm]

"No result"
Presented a result
"Idc abt the result"

Nah I'm done let's just end this here

[frigid jasper]

youre comparing their scenario to MY point. which all im saying is i always die, its not lucky for me at all

You just cant comprehend things properly

lol

[sage palm]

SO WHAT TYPE OF RESPONSE DO YOU WANT OUT OF YOUR MESSAGE?

[frigid jasper]

i wasnt fishing for none

[sage palm]

So you just saying anything then? Aight

[frigid jasper]

hereeeeee

this is it

[sage palm]

A RESPONSE FROM US GODDAMNIT THIS GUY

[frigid jasper]

the point ive been saying for the past 30 mins man

you got to be ragebaiting

man, i fell for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hooray

[sage palm]

YES YOU'VE ALREADY SAID YOU DIE USING IT FOR MULTIPLE TIMES

SO THAT'S IT?

[frigid jasper]

but you win, there, you got your point across

[sage palm]

Why bother saying it if you aren't fishing/waiting for a response from someone else

[late seal]

i've complained about how people in a rank don't have map awareness or are not team players in general, what is even the best solution to people that cheat their way up to A-S rank that cause other people to lose cause they're bad at the game

[sage palm]

Bro thinks I wanna win that's crazy, we lost the entire reason for starting this convo ig

[frigid jasper]

There's none really

If your teammate does stupid stuff just steal farm with goku, and work your way up

Its better than your tm giving them exp

[late seal]

i ty[ed this in the wrong chat lmaooo

😭

[late seal]

ig this is a good tip tbh

[iron cairn]

He says after an all caps tirade

[sage palm]

Nah that's called a crashout from a ragebaiter

[iron cairn]

Somewhat understandable crash out tbf

But on the topic of his ult: do you not use it on low hp to benefit from the counter then?

[sage palm]

He's an attacker, they're squishy so it's not recommended to use it at low hp

Basically any attacker

[iron cairn]

It’s damage scales with damage you take during start up though right?

I guess you use it for burst and hope they try to respond?

[sage palm]

Like low hp ssjgoku using spirit bomb just to be cancelled cuz he got killed

During the circle attack (it's pretty quick so it's not that much of a boost), you only use the iframe of the startup to avoid big hits like sbc but it's recommended to use it with max or above half hp

The end hit normally does a pretty big damage so the damage taken bonus is just, bonus

[frank spire]

True getting lvl5 earlier than enemies gives a significant advantage to daimaku.

[candid merlin]

What would daimaku’s skill priority be? Rn I’m trying bolt as main priority,

Then the bomb and ult.

And last the pole dance

[raw spire]

Wasabi > Lightning > Super > Power Pole Dance

though I would recommend getting Power Pole Dance to level 1 pretty early especially if its super start

you need it to defend from Kamehameha

[candid merlin]

Thx u thx u, now how about his cards? I’ve been trying snowball, and either giant slayer or barrier for my 2nd card, and wicked warrior

[frigid jasper]

it depends

do you wanna go full offense with him, or some survivabilitty too

if full offense (i normally go full offense), snowball, prepared to die, Limit breaking jump/backstab

[plucky phoenix]

The dance working as intended by saving my life #✨game-moments message

[iron cairn]

Jeeeeezus

[frank spire]

Which supporter do you think is best for daimaku

I switch between the dog and uni6 guy

Just dropped from A2 to A4. Bad day and even badder teammates

Getting stuck with new gotenks/buu who got no idea how to play those characters

[frigid jasper]

Nail doesn't seem too bad

Imo

[frank spire]

I played few more matches won some finally

I noticed that gotenks really destroys daimaku

Probably coz i dont have much idea about how to counter him

But the fact that he is doing dmg like a dps and is a support( able to escape easily) plus a stun

Idk it feels kinda broken

Especially that aoe ring stun/drag at max level

[peak mulch]

Okay...

I just experienced Mini Goku + Baby

I'm starting to see the bot lane vision

[candid merlin]

That combo sounds evil

[peak mulch]

Bruhhhhhh

I just managed to get 2 double KOs with ult in the same match

The second one earned us a team-wipe

It's really dang good

[jovial tundra]

I may or may not have experienced this and Super the enemy that killed them both

[torpid storm]

im assuming daima goku is better for top lane?

i normally go top lane for him

or is bottom better?

[iron cairn]

He can play either lane but top lane gives him advantage against trunks and other shorter ranged top lane damage and techs

You can outgun him with the other mages and snipers

[peak mulch]

Do note:
Pick Solid Barrier when going top lane
Pick Giant Slayer when going bottom lane

I've experienced a little more with bot lane Mini Goku and he can for sure put in the work there

Though that Giant Slayer is key for repeatedly facing off against tanks

[iron cairn]

Good advice Thanks! 🙏🏿

[long matrix]

I've actually had more like bot lane

[tawdry acorn]

Wish power pole had a grace period when using your skills

[raw spire]

Steel Skin is actually pretty good to have against a Mini Goku I think

since it cuts the continuous damage from the bomb

its -21 damage for every hit from an enemy hero

[jovial tundra]

eh? Wait...sounds like a good counter to DOT

[plucky phoenix]

So steel skin is the move when you're fighting him and zamasu in bot lane?

[jovial tundra]

S3 against Gotenks Ghost saved me

[peak mulch]

Thinking about it more

I actually am not sure if Solid barrier is ever worth it

Giant Slayer with the amount of instant burst you deal is HUGE

And you are Mini Goku, you die super easy anyways

Not to mention S3 can already help mitigate surprise damage, so barrier gets less value

[peak mulch]

Mini Bros

I hit S rank DPS

Little boy can carry games so hard

[frank spire]

From my personal experience bottom lane is better. You can take middle farm with one bomb and lightening combo

[burnt garden]

i think miniku is bottom lane if there's skill 1 dmg boost as he effectively shreds tanks, otherwise he's maybe a lil better in top imo

[frank spire]

He is better bottom lane anyways acc to me

Middle 3 cell jr can be kill3d with one bomb light combo

You will literally steal all farm from them

Lmao I wrote that last time too lol

[burnt garden]

you can also steal farm in top but i get what ur saying

[peak mulch]

Wait

Toppo is like us

But imagine that instead of tossing and detonating bomb

We stick the bomb on the enemy, then detonate with a counter

Also, Toppo's gonna be WAY better when facing against a Solid Barrier

He's gonna be attacking to put Destruction stacks, so his burst goes out when it's worn off

[burnt garden]

toppo seems like a character that wants to be close to enemies rather than miniku who flies around and is more of a mid range character

[lyric forge]

what's the best level up order for goku?

[burnt garden]

skill 1 > skill 2 & super attack > skill 3

i'd level up the super attack but if it's on cooldown i'd level up skill 2 at least

[peak mulch]

You want to always start with 1,2,1

Bomb + lightning at both level 1 deals more damage than a level 2 bomb

Then you either go for S2 level 2 or Ult level 1, depending on how you feel regarding your matchup and the upcoming boss

If you're confident your team can take it, S2, if you feel like you gotta snipe it, Ult

[plucky phoenix]

I love daimaku's kit
#✨game-moments message

[frank spire]

I won't lie you got lucky

That was like walking into a death trap

[opaque trench]

You should at least have one point in skill 3

it increases Daima Goku's running speed, and it's very necessary for positioning

I've deal with Daima Gokus who escaped because of it, and I escaped tricky situations, once even when there were three players, because of it

[frank spire]

That destroys your atk potential significantly

As daima goku you won't be jumping head on a fight anyways. Unless you are against ssj3 in super start I dont see any need of putting points in s3

With lvl 2 s1 and lvl 1 s2 you can basically farm faster than 90% of the units in game.

Even if you are losing lane just fly near do combo and get out

It's one of the best thing about daimaku. It's really hard to get a bad lane if you know what you are doing

[opaque trench]

Sure but you shouldn't worry only about attack potential, you also need defensive options for players who manage to get close, specially when things get chaotic

Neglecting defense when you have it is just not good, Piccolo also makes use of demon whip for similar reasons

[peak mulch]

Your defense is not diving into a fight head-first

Drop the combo without stopping and see if you can actually fight or not

You don't take barrier or rush S3

You max out your damage and get good

[opaque trench]

Who said anything about dropping into a fight head first? Sometimes opponents get close, S3 just gives a way to get away

[peak mulch]

If you are getting jumped, you are way past the stage of the game where you are debating your level up route

By then, the game already forced you to unlock it

[opaque trench]

Man that can happen in early matches too, the game is unpredictable at times, players can move in ways you don't expect, or you just play bad

all I'm saying, a single level in S3 can be alright, and I've certainly fought Daima Gokus who managed to escape when I got close because of S3

[peak mulch]

No, I don't

[opaque trench]

Cool, good for you

[lofty nimbus]

Level up path?

[peak mulch]

1, 2, 1, ult

[lofty nimbus]

I see

[peak mulch]

Prioritize maxxing out 1, then 2

Dump a point on 3 when you think you can get away with it

But never before ult

[lofty nimbus]

Yeah ive been doing 1 2 1 4 3 2 1 4 2 4 3 3

[swift void]

Daima best DPS?

[peak mulch]

Probably, yeah

if not, he's the second best for sure

[midnight osprey]

how do you wanna play this character

also what cards does he want

[peak mulch]

Bomb into lightning, that's what you live and die for

Run Snowball, Giant Slayer, Backstab

Giant Slayer out-values Solid Barrier on this guy cuz he has his entire damage output in a single hit

[midnight osprey]

how much do I wanna commit to rush attacks?

and S3 is really just for tanking moves you can't dodge right?

[peak mulch]

You can go for them as much as you can, usually it just means that you get to catch retreating enemies for the kill, but it's not something you would do more or less than other characters

The draw is the range more than the damage

[midnight osprey]

ight cause I'm wondering if I wanna full commit to mainly poking with bomb into lightning or if I can just go into rush attack range

[peak mulch]

Poke, yes

You can drop both Bomb and lightning without dropping your dash

So you're better at hit and run

[midnight osprey]

ight

oh yeah one more thing

does this character want nail or world king

[peak mulch]

World King

Nail has a limited range to attack from around the player

and your rush attacks end up MASSIVELY outranging it

so a lot of the time you are attacking from outside Nail's range

[midnight osprey]

oh ight

didn't know that lol

[midnight osprey]

how much do I wanna commit to doing bomb+lightning

over just bomb and lightning separately

[opaque trench]

if you have both, then do bomb+lightning, this combination is similar to Kale's S3 into S1, it's very strong and using either separately is less effective

[midnight osprey]

ight

[midnight osprey]

what's S3 used for exactly? is it really just "use if you can't dodge some big damage move and pray you live"

[opaque trench]

Tones down how much damage you're taking from beams, increases your movement speed for a few seconds

[midnight osprey]

is it specifically just beams only?

does that mean unless I'm getting hit by a beam I'd wanna just not use it and run?

[opaque trench]

Checking out in the game itself, you just defense increase when hit by a specific type of attack, be it strike or energy

[opaque trench]

Nah, you can use it when you're being attacked, or someone is getting too close, after you use S3, Goku will run a little faster

[midnight osprey]

oh ight ty

[vernal thunder]

[midnight osprey]

just realized setting skill 2 to a separate key like

outright lets you rush attack and call glorio at the same time

how do yall set your keys up?

[midnight osprey]

how do you use ult

the fact it has nonexistent aoe close up makes it feel awkward for me outside of sniping bosses or people even though it has immune to all

[jovial tundra]

Idk, I just drag my screen and go for it

I did use S3>Super and it went pretty well

[sage palm]

That's the thing... You don't use the close up version, you'll hit them either way and your dash distance depends on your aoe range before using it

I think people need to stop misinterpreting his ult having immune to all thinking it's immune the whole duration when it's basically just frame 1 immunity

Basically using it like you're using cooler

[swift void]

They nerf little guy 🙁

[frank spire]

They nerfed him bad

[candid merlin]

Daima bros

Is it over

[jovial tundra]

How does Daima Goku feel now btw?

Idk what I feel about it

[twilit path]

He's good but not like s1

[hidden ermine]

Daima feels trash to play right now, i know he kinda needed a nerf but this is awful

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[jovial tundra]

I can see why, I can still win as him though

[peak mulch]

He's probably still A tier

Maybe even BiS

But definitely far less oppressive than before

I hope they make S3 a little more appealing

[agile basalt]

The nerf didn't hurt that much, the bomb can still kill you, the nerf was mostly to just have us do the bomb and then the lightning bolt more.

[agile basalt]

I think he's still A tier, because he still do broken damage, and still cheat death with the dancing pole. If you're not winning with him. It's probably because you not good with him or your team sucks.

[frank spire]

I feel like his early game has gotten weak.

Like very weak

Compared to before

Also this new vegeta does not help much

Still trying to figure out how to use him against vegeta

[agile basalt]

I don't feel that is very weak mostly I still get kills in the early game. Like easy kills sometimes.

[agile basalt]

As far as I discovered you just pressure him, when he shoots the beam just get behind him, and when he throws out that force shield, I do believe that you can just throw the bomb behind him since you can't hit him on his side nor his front. Besides since he's hard to kill, just don't let him do what he wants like prevent him from taking out bosses, and make sure you at least have backup, but you shouldn't worry about him killing you, because even though SSJ4 Vegeta a beefcake, he can't kill that good.

Goku mini aka Kid Goku can be annoying to him, because Goku mini is faster than him, and can cheat death.

[frank spire]

Cant throw bomb on shield

Main thing is not ssj4 vegeta. It's that literally everyone behind him gets a free pass

It's just so annoying

[agile basalt]

Not in front of the shield but behind him

[frank spire]

Hard to do that tbh unless it's a big team fight

Distract and jump in

But it leaves you vulnerable

[agile basalt]

It's really not that hard

[frank spire]

I am mostly struggling against vegeta as everyone

[agile basalt]

I been fighting SSJ4 Vegeta

I don't find him that difficult

[agile basalt]

You have range with your rush attack so you are not really vulnerable or better yet never.

[zenith garnet]

What's card u guys run btw? I either go with snowball barrier then pursuer or last slot backstab instead for high burst when ppl have barrier.

[peak mulch]

I currently am going for Snowball, Barrier, Backstab when top laning and Snowball, Giant, Backstab when bottom laning

[zenith garnet]

Alr thanks I'll ss this so I remember the different sets when I get on later and try them. Thanks for the advice

[sleek root]

abetihi (top 1 in this and last season) is actually using snow ball, barrier and yajirobe

i dont really know the name of the last card sorry

[peak mulch]

Backstab

Basically what I said

[zenith garnet]

I think backstab and a thanks this is exactly what I was thinking but I forgot the last one too😭😂🫡

[jovial tundra]

I wonder if this is worth to use over 3 red cards

[sleek root]

it is man

backstab allows you to use the pancy bomb with 3 seconds cooldown

its very useful

[jovial tundra]

I have a hard time using it

Gotta admit, the set is helping me a lot

Gonna keep it as my preset for him

[frank spire]

Always

Backstab is very very useful

[jovial tundra]

Ngl this set just changes everything did perform better for me, I probably should try it on other characters

[burnt garden]

ngl build up solid barrier pursuer is a sick combo for miniku

imo backstab isn't as good bc in the end you'll just be popping people's solid barriers most of the time

it's better to do a few normal attacks then go in with panzy and glorio combo

[sage palm]

Pop with the first bomb (without glorio), procs own backstab and enemy solid barrier, after it's out, glorio bomb, takes the big damage

Pursuer only gives movement speed (the additional energy attack is a separate thing)

[serene magnet]

How do you actually carry with daimaku? I feel like even if I'm dominating early with two buffs, I just can't seem to do anything if the game last too long (if the enemi does not forfeit), cause even with snowball, I feel like if the enemy play defense correctly, Daimaku fall off so hard compared to Gamma/Bojack/Goku/Piccolo it's not even funny

[sleek root]

this season, i think the build changed a little bit, i prefer to use double vanish instead of backstab.

[jovial tundra]

Still used to Backstab or LBJ

I either use that or Backstab sometimes but I'll stick to what I use

[sage palm]

Most of the time, you're just closing in, drop bomb, run away, and repeat

Backstab enables you to do that more frequently if y'all can abuse backstab mechanic with a certain playstyle

I'll give in to lbj if the enemy comp is aggressive/likes to be close but with a good counterpick (although there's still no draft system, but ykwim), you won't be needing lbj that much

[frank spire]

Backstab works better because of this

[gloomy glade]

Hi, returned to the game after some absent cus of college and work, but I want to get started again with gekishin, how much has miniku's gameplay changed so far? I saw they nerfed wasabi bomb so idk of he still solely relies on the bomb for damage or if people have found new ways to play him other than going around throwing the bomb and disengaging and which divine cards people use the most for him now.

[zenith garnet]

Not much he plays the exact same just now ppl tend to use backstab a lil more

He is still in very good place right now top 4 DPS imo

[frigid jasper]

I wondered what cards people use for him.

I personally go Snowball, Giant slayer and backstab. Later into the match I swap it into LBJ

I just dont see a use in barrier considering you're mid ranging

[zenith garnet]

....?😅 Being mid range like say kale or daimaku doesn't mean ppl won't go dashing out for you so the barrier will provide you with a full 3 second timer to get out while taking none of the burst they want to get on you. Giant slayer just doesn't provide enough rn for it to be more important with how weak he is already. But LBJ isn't a back choice for defense if you are on the back foot and don't need backstab for sure

[frigid jasper]

IF your lane partner is good you dont need the barrier.

Giant slayer with some snowball stacks will absolutely melt their HP

On top of this, im sure you're most likely stealing all the farm

⚔️

[zenith garnet]

*if you opponent is bad

When ur playing in s and up ppl r gonna rush u for your snowball like hellhounds regardless of what ur lane partner wants😭

[frigid jasper]

Lets not actively rush headfirst

[zenith garnet]

Giant slayer just doesn't do much for daimaku, even prep to die would be stronger. He just is not often matched against tanks till late game

[frigid jasper]

I normally go bot lane

[zenith garnet]

? No usually ur backline and the enemies will single with cc or tp's

[frigid jasper]

Who's normally your tank ?

[zenith garnet]

4geta it's season 2

Everyone loves him lol

[frigid jasper]

I personally will only go bot if its ss4vegeta or baby.

[zenith garnet]

Bot lane is for consistent dealer spike 3ku or piccolo

Top lane is for burst like gammas and damia

[frigid jasper]

Both absolutely help daimaku

[frigid jasper]

To be fair, daima works both lanes. You dknt see much difference just your lane partner

Just stay on top of farm I guess?

Like actively snatch.

[zenith garnet]

I run what the number 1 runs so idk but yeah barrier isn't needed but u should props try prepare to die it works alot better with his combo since u don't often 1 tap with it till lvl 8 or higher

[frigid jasper]

Yup

I USED to go ptd but I've had so much more success with giant slayer aswell.

It depends on the player

[zenith garnet]

Wtv works for u✌🏾

[pliant island]

I usually go snowball(or buildup), barrier, LBJ. There are some times where I get jumped and seeing my barrier get broken let's me know to skill 3 and bolt. I would try backstab but I worried about missing my bombs throws

[frank spire]

Either run barrier/prepare to die or dont run backstab. They both counter each other

GS buff stays for whole fight and backstab requires you to leave fight to get the proc again

[frigid jasper]

Mmm

[frank spire]

Is it just me or has daimaku become very weak in late game?

Especially if you die and lose your snowball stack

[pliant island]

Kinda? It depends on the matches.

[jovial tundra]

I can kinda see it

He's still strong in my experience even though I am a little weak sometimes during the match

[agile basalt]

That goes for every character that uses the snowball card

[frank spire]

Not really. Most snowball users in current meta are range

Like picollo ssj3 for example

With daimaku you need to be in the fight even if it's for a less amt of time

[agile basalt]

Daimaku has range too

[frank spire]

I think his early and mid game is strong but endgame i struggle especially when fights drags a bit longer

[frank spire]

Like I said gotta go in for a little time

To pop that bomb

[agile basalt]

Sometimes you don't have to unless you have a teammate with you

But it depends on the situation

[frank spire]

Yeah, talking mostly about team fights

[agile basalt]

You can be in team fights a lot longer than solo.

[frank spire]

Sometimes I think may be I should give him defense step in late game

Enemies tend to save their big ultimates a lot

[agile basalt]

I mostly give him all attack cards.

[agile basalt]

You should too.

[frank spire]

I keep snowball>prepare to die/solid barrier> backstab

I do it's just that his ultimate takes him in the middle of the fight which is bad for him

I am gonna try snowball>giantslayer>defense step once too

On paper it looks good

[agile basalt]

Just use it on bosses, or to get the dragon ball, or if you know you are going to get the kills in team fights.

Because they are going to double team you, because they know that you are going to be cancer for them

[frank spire]

It's what I do. Steal bosses with it

[agile basalt]

Me I use snowball, prepare to die, and backstab

[frank spire]

Tbh i see little use of daimaku ult in huge team fights especially while defending/attacking

I used to do that but now people have gotten smarter and they start targeting me with aoe

Especially ssj3 and ssj goku

[agile basalt]

Just do it when you or going to get that kill, but do it when they are in half health.

[frank spire]

If i dont see ssj3 and I have a decent lead i go prepare to die

Sometimes it feels like ult did not do any dmg do you have any idea about that?

[agile basalt]

ssj3 Goku is not a threat most times he predictable

[frank spire]

He does not kill but he takes hp with that continuos beam spam

[agile basalt]

I don't have that problem

[frank spire]

I have noticed that

[agile basalt]

You can go around him before or when he's shooting it.

I do it all the time and it works

[frank spire]

During fights in middle yeah but when you are defending/attacking it hard to sneak in

I try but still

[agile basalt]

You don't need to sneak

[frank spire]

Well it all depends on how much brain their ssj3 got

[agile basalt]

Most times they don't have a brain

[frank spire]

Ssj3 with good positioning is always hard to kill

[frank spire]

I agree

[agile basalt]

And I take advantage of that

[frank spire]

I have been thinking of abusing defense step as a mean to get maximum ult dmg in late games

Never tried it just on paper

Vanish to activate defense step then pop ult while everyone is targeting you

Defense step will save you then ult invulnerability will stop dmg too

Never tried it

[agile basalt]

If you do it too much they will catch on

[frank spire]

It's only for late game

Else backstab is better

[agile basalt]

You can't be predictable when using his ult

[frank spire]

I will try it next time I see the chance

I feel like android 16 buff is very important for daimaku

It increases his dmg so much

You can spam backstab

[agile basalt]

True

[frank spire]

You will be doing same but slower

[agile basalt]

you need that reduce cooldown

[frank spire]

Wait he also reduces cd?

I thought it was only movement speed 20%

[agile basalt]

backstab has that cooldown thing

[frank spire]

Oh that yeah

I thought 16 also did that

Since i was talking about him

[agile basalt]

no

That's good too with the movement speed, and especially when you are using the pole dance for escaping

The were times that I cheated death using that move

[frank spire]

You move out and move in quickly hence procing backstab easily. 16 buff is very strong for miniku

[lament pawn]

Can you tank ults like spirit bomb using skill 3?

Of course if you time it right

[lament pawn]

Also, does prepare to die add make the continuous damage debuff stronger? Or does it only apply on lightning or panzi's bomb's explosion when it hits an enemy 50% hp or lower?

[lament pawn]

Does receiving damage from bosses increase damage while ulting?

[last folio]

Spirit bomb is 2 hits, your immune to all can prevent 1 hit.

[lament pawn]

No no, i didn't mean the ult. I meant the skill 3 the defense pole dance one

[last folio]

It says literally that the first hit damage is reduced by half

any damage onwards will do regular damage

so...

[lament pawn]

gotcha, so i no longer have to run from the spirit bombs perfect

[last folio]

You do, cuz.....Spirit Bomb does two hits

first is initial landing one

second one is explosion

so you pretty much can die from explosion.

[lament pawn]

But if you use skill 3 three twice in succession, would it not half the damage both times? Meaning it should just be a total of 1 ticks of spirit bomb damage?

And just in case you could also just ult the explosion

[last folio]

idk, you would need to be lucky

[last folio]

this

[lament pawn]

gotcha, thank you

[last folio]

you can test it in training

if u manage the AI to use the ult

but on the squadra map training

not the small training map

[lament pawn]

Yeah i was abouta say 😅 , now thats truly a test of luck. Getting the ai to throw a spirit bomb lmao

[last folio]

in the squadra/match map they tend to throw ult when meeting player

[lament pawn]

Really? Everytime i try out that training mode in squadra match map it always takes like a hot minute before they throw out their ult

[last folio]

better than never.

[lament pawn]

I guess lol

[frank spire]

No

[frank spire]

Skill 3 proc the moment you are hitm if spirit is hitting you in late game then there is good possibility that you are in a team fight and enemies will be attacking you and team. If any of them hit you then they will proc dmg red and spirit bomb will fully hit you

[agile basalt]

Bots being bots

[lunar cove]

He’s pretty good

I would say kinda slept on?

[agile basalt]

Good thing that I leveled up Goku Mini in season 0, and thanks to that character memory update because I just got the platinum trophy by getting him to level 8

[frank spire]

Lol I did the same

[frank spire]

Goku mini getting nerfed like he was a threat now lol

[jovial tundra]

Aw man, I hope he can still do good

[tender beacon]

Giant slayer ult is broken, a one shot

[agile basalt]

He's still good

[jovial tundra]

Oh nice, was worried on his Basic Attack

[agile basalt]

It doesn't do baby damage like season 0

It's mostly his passive got nerfed but it's not that bad

You can still kill players that are higher level than you

[agile basalt]

I played two games with him and I wasn't struggling to kill.

[jovial tundra]

I thought his damage from his Basic could be like season 0.

Happy he's still doing good

Making sure to not get the purple badge yet, need my mains in the future

[agile basalt]

but yeah it just his passive. His rush attack damage didn't get touch.

I will say it was kind of broken, because Goku mini was being a lucky rat

[agile basalt]

I'm aiming towards that for Goku mini, since Goku mini is my primary main

[jovial tundra]

Fair point, it was fun tho

[jovial tundra]

[agile basalt]

It was if we are not fighting another goku mini

because I was getting mvps

[steel veldt]

#buff dima goku

[coarse delta]

Yo I just bought this Goku could I get a honest guide?

[old heath]

Sorry if this isn’t a great guide but for how I’ve seen people play him (including me) I would say he’s like a nuke character due to how you can charge panzy bomb and get great damage and with his increased range your gonna be a great mid range far range nuke that comes in nukes then hits from afar, but his third skill would be used more for Defence and his ult is a boss beater

[candid merlin]

So uh w buffs for mini ku?

His ult now makes him practically invincible for the whole duration

And his power pole dance buff is awsome

[plucky phoenix]

He has 3 on command defensive steps now

[candid merlin]

[candid merlin]

The mini ku agenda is coming back

[candid merlin]

Lowkey liking starting with s1 and s3 now at the beginning of the game

Makes u actually survive top lane now

Rn trying s1>s3>ult>s2

At level 6 I like putting 1 level into s2 so I can have the bomb burst on command via lightning bolt whenever someone is right in my face

[old heath]

I like going form the start of the match one into s1>s2>s1>ult

Then I don’t have a plan for after but this is for the big panzy burst and then ult for bosses(unless I’m getting anything above a 2v1 where I’ll pop to kill all)

[burnt garden]

s1>s2>s3>ult then focus on s1 and s3 imo, s3 actually makes him quite tanky and at level 3 he moves faster while doing that than with a normal attack while giving him insane damage reduction

only reason i'd start with s1 and s2 is bc you can use glorio + panzy to nuke the kai a bit better tbh, or to snatch the kai when its low on hp with glorio

[chilly wyvern]

it says skill 3 halves the first instance of damage… where is this 90% damage reduction? testing it in training and the numbers dont add up

[heavy hollow]

whats the use of his skill 3

[crimson zealot]

It's a defense type of skill. It gives you higher defense temporarily and gives you more speed when getting hit or hitting a panzy bomb. I suggest mainly using it when you're running away, or you're in a team fight and need a little defense.

[heavy hollow]

Bet

[frigid jasper]

Didn't this get changed?

Oh nvm

I thought i saw it in the changes and buffs lol

Anyways, how's daima ult now that he keeps immune to all until end of dash?

[frigid jasper]

Somewhat same. Always focus on having 2 into panzy, 1, glorio and ult. By the time boss come

[plucky phoenix]

It's a Nuclear Counter Ult
If you're in a team fight and your enemies start popping ults to win you can just I frame through theirs and do massive damage

[paper garden]

I am trying to play every character in this game to a good level so that I can improve my skills at all fields.

How can I do well as daimaku?

[frigid jasper]

try to control lane

steal farm with panzy+glorio and play mid ranged

[frigid jasper]

i see. really glad he gets it on activation now. for awhile i disliked the ult because you could die before dashing.

[paper garden]

Gotnit

What application does the pole dance have?

[frigid jasper]

if you wanna survive and be upclose you can use it

im p sure it can deflect panzy, to make it go further

or you can js hit it with an m1. it gives defense and movement speed depending on whats hitting you

[paper garden]

Oh neat

[frigid jasper]

its pretty much your defensive/escape option.

[crimson zealot]

Honestly, most of the time I use the Daima Goku ult to steal boss and 90% of the time if you don't have bad timing, it basically always steals. Unless it's my worst enemy, Piccolo...

[frigid jasper]

True unless ur taken out immediately

Btw, did glorio lose the aoe? On lightning

[frank spire]

He never had aoe just hits multiple targets within range

[lament pawn]

btw what's the maxxing of skills order now? After the pole dance buff, is maxxing skill 3 now the second priority?

[brittle talon]

depends on the match-up imo

I like maxxing skill 3 second vs Kefla for example cause with bombs + skill 3 you just statcheck her

but if you’re up against a bunch of melees it might be better to max skill 2 for the extra range for giga bomb

[frigid jasper]

Isnt that aoe...

anyways. hadnt seen it activate which is why i was confused

does it only multi hit at max?

[lament pawn]

I think he meant that lightning chains to hit multiple enemies when ppl are close by

[lament pawn]

I don't think it ever has aoe, but lightning landing on panzi bomb makes the bomb have a wider range and panzi bomb has aoe so maybe thats what it was

[frigid jasper]

i see

[frigid jasper]

itt rlly depends

if u think ur gonna be engaged in combat alot, use the

skill 3 priority

if you think youll be on the backlines and js hit and run i think ur fine with the s2

[crimson zealot]

Yeah

[crimson zealot]

I swear glorio doesn't hit multiple targets for me anymore. I'm now starting to just leave it at lvl 1 now because of it

[frigid jasper]

Thought I was the only one.

[crimson zealot]

Same. I only saw it happen twice since his his nerf when season 3 began

[old heath]

Is glorio's attack good on its own or would it still only be better for combining with panzy bomb?

[lament pawn]

That's situational imo, cuz i've gotten a lot of value from lightning on its own. Like quickly finishing off a low hp running enemy player

But chaining panzi bomb with lightning is usually my go to combo if it's available

But like just remember that the glorio panzi bomb combo isn't just about making panzi bomb have a wider range but it's a free hit to make the next lightning hit stronger and so on

I think a chain of like 5 hits, with the 5th one hitting a player can almost 1 shot them. I think

[rose parcel]

Guys is there any counter play against daima goku with vegito or with any character?

[old heath]

As I Diama player I would say you gotta jump them with 2 or more, or sneak attack them after they use panzy bomb or skill 3

[frank spire]

1v1 or team fight?

[lament pawn]

If daima gets hit with fear of death by hit, does that reduce the range of his lightning chain?

[toxic birch]

should I go Skill 1>skill 3> skill 4 > skill 2

[frigid jasper]

I'd say double skill 1, 1 skill 2, and ult by level 5

Unless you're up against certain characters, you wouldn't really need the power pole dance

[frank spire]

I would say it's really help now given how the meta is

[frigid jasper]

More mini goku buffs

This is truly a time to be alive 🔺️

[royal horizon]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-daima-gif-3562771220196231469

Damn

Just imagine Daimaku jumping

[frigid jasper]

The skill 2 reduced mode helps drastically too

Lightning had a pretty big cooldown difference compared to panzy

Im glad they're buffing his "when attacked during iframes" pretty much you hust slide through beams

I wish theyd give iframes for atleast a second after it ends. I found it ur most vulnerable when ult ends so...

[shut pulsar]

I want a daima skin

[royal horizon]

same

or any cosmestic for daima

a finisher would be so fire

[shut pulsar]

LITTERALLY ANYTHING WOULD BE OK

https://tenor.com/view/dying-hungry-and-thirsty-gif-23833941

[frigid jasper]

What would a mini goku finisher even look like

[royal horizon]

the end of his fight vs glorio

he transforms in ssj and puts his hand on his back

and does a blast in game for the finish

[urban mesa]

If anyone could help me, I’m still confused on how his s3 works and when to use it

[brittle talon]

his Skill 3 gives him damage reduction and it also gives him movement speed (on the condition that you activate your Skill 1 with it or that you deflect an enemy attack)

basically use it to go in with Skill 1, proc Skill 1 with Skill 3 and then run out

think of it as your “get-off-me” tool that makes it easier to take an incoming hit and run away

[urban mesa]

Ah I didn’t know about its synergy with skill 1

[crimson zealot]

Gimme the outfit that panzy gave him or the little hat he wears to stay undercover or smth

[crimson zealot]

Peak. Or maybe the finisher he did on Tamagami 3

[frigid jasper]

Daima is truly dead huh?

[coarse delta]

Character is good
Show is terrible

[frigid jasper]

Return us to the old daima days

[royal horizon]

Daima is so peak you tripping

[coarse delta]

https://tenor.com/view/sleeping-boss-baby-dizzy-tired-gif-8805562

[frank spire]

Literally one of the best dps in game

[dapper meadow]

I am a bit effy on his skill order, so far I got (S1/S2/S3/S1/ULT/S3/ULT/S3/S1/S2/S2)

Yes I skip ULT on level 5 because I know that with basic farming I would always be level 6 before first boss and so few occasions does the enemy get insta boss

[rain spire]

You should max out skill 1 and skill 3 at lvl 8 and 9
Then take lvl 2 ult at lvl 10

His damage doesnt increase lvling up his ult
Only his range

[rain spire]

i wouldn't do this always
if you're lvl 5 before 2nd kai spawns
you can afford to use your ult to confirm kai cause it'll be back when soon after the boss spawns
2nd kai will spawn at 1min 35-40
it takes 1min 30 for ult for daima
boss will spawn in at 3min so there's a small time window and even then if you're playing solo q. the boss won't die immediately

[strange seal]

Should be s1 at level 8 and have it maxed then, ult after for next boss, then s3, then ult. S2 only value is to boost s1

[strange seal]

Like I guess his s1 is a good Kai secure

Depends on when you do it

[round sentinel]

what are kidkus best cards

[strange seal]

Build up giant slayer defense step

[round sentinel]

idk i feel like i dont do enough dmg with build up

[strange seal]

Trust me you do

[round sentinel]

i shoot out my bomb and activate lighning

then i pop ult

hit both stikes

how aint the godku dead??

[round sentinel]

also is kidku more of a bralwer or mid range character

he tanks well if u can manage his dance

but i find that hes really good if u stay at range w a tanky character covering for u

[strange seal]

Bit if both

[strange seal]

You must have definitely missed something

That 1000% kills

[round sentinel]

nono

i saw the tick dmg

and i saw the big purple stick hit him from the sky

and he was in the center of my ult

[rain spire]

depends on the cards godku has
barrier can stop him taking immediate damage

defense step will live the ult

[rain spire]

brawler now with the buff of skill 3

the mage/mid range playstyle used to be his main playstyle
but now you just want to be up close because of skill 3 cutting damage and giving movement speed to stay with the enemy or get away

[rain spire]

build up is just much more better with the way you play daimaku
snowball still works but you can't play as aggressive as you want with daimaku

[round sentinel]

oh okok

[round sentinel]

im confused in his desc it say the dmgs gets cut in half

ive heard is 90% dr

but how is that applied

[rain spire]

so the first hit of the attack gets halved while also applying the defense buff

[round sentinel]

so where does the 90% dr come in

is it from the def buff?

[rain spire]

thats the defense buff yh

the first hit gets cut by half and he also applies his dr

to live any extra damage

[round sentinel]

so for the rest of the skill its js 40% dr

okok

one last thing

ik its best for u to prioitize skill 1

but wb skill 2 and 3

which one should i go for

or even the super

[rain spire]

max skill 1
max skill 3 2nd
max ult
then skill 2 last

[round sentinel]

wb going 2 for skill 2 and super

at lvl 11

is that fine?

[rain spire]

that can work yeah
i just prefer the max super over lvl 2 skill 2 at lvl 11

[round sentinel]

yeah ig if youre gonna be more of a brawler u dont need the range on skill 2

[rain spire]

yeah thats just your extra damage when fighting

not your combo
combo most of the time would be bomb and dance

[round sentinel]

dance doesnt really provide anything expect for proking the energy def up

wait does it stack if u get hit by a phyical?

[rain spire]

it triggers the bomb and gives you movement speed up

[round sentinel]

i mean in a fight youll prob alr get hit

so the speed will always be up

but with glorio u have the dmg up on bomb

[rain spire]

idk about stacking but if you get hit with a physical you get the strike defense up

and it lasts 7 seconds

[round sentinel]

so youll have phy and energy def up if u use bomb + enemy physical

tuff

but personally i like the dmg buff u get from using glorio

[rain spire]

sometimes the issue with glorio in a fight is that it won't target the bomb first

[round sentinel]

doesnt it chain to the bomb eventually tho?

[rain spire]

it does yeah

[round sentinel]

plus if it chains for longer the dmg will increase

idk it seems like its situation dependant

[rain spire]

it is yeah i just don't prioritise glorio bomb over dance bomb unless the enemy is all grouped up or you need the damage now

[round sentinel]

true

id prio dance when im in a 1v1

but glorio when theres 2 or more

the dmg really ramps up a lot

[rain spire]

actually i mainly use glorio bomb to secure kais

[round sentinel]

fairs

[rain spire]

• hit anyone in the radius

its pretty good for contesting

[round sentinel]

yeah i usually go skill 1 and 2 first kai

usually can confirm kai + a kill

if they grouped up

oh i love glorio against buu

the lighting chains to his parts then a big hit at the end on buu

*kid buu

[rain spire]

yeah kid buu can get melted

honestly once you play more of him just becomes natural to know which combo is best

i like that he's still useful in skill 2 cd

[round sentinel]

alr thanks for everything

[strange seal]

Unless he ran barrier and defense stepped perfectly only way I see it

[strange seal]

Ult aoe gets higher and his ult is really good at secures

As its fast easy timing and does more dmg the stuff hits it

However only the first hit of the ult has immune to all so just remember that

[dapper meadow]

How do you guys handle his slight S1 delay into S2?

[rain spire]

when the bomb indicator shows up on the ground you press s2

[tulip kite]

Getting into this guy. There's so much you can do with him. What would you all say is his Skill order?

Divine Cards would be good too

[round sentinel]

bro was snowball giant slayer 😭

[round sentinel]

Ive been playing bro for a while with all of yalls tips

bro is so low cortisol

i love him

i might just become a kidku main 🥹

[hushed plover]

How do you 1v2 as daima because i cant defend towers like at all

[rain spire]

S1, S2, S3, ult, s1, s3, s1, s3, ult, ult, s2, s2

[rain spire]

Build up, giant slayer, defense step

[tulip kite]

Awesome! Thanks a lot!

[rain spire]

All relies on your skill 3 usage
If you time your skill 3 to tank the hits

[strange seal]

Interesting I like his s1 maxed at 8

[rain spire]

Yeah thats what i put

[strange seal]

Misread

[strange seal]

Uma

[round sentinel]

?????

so where are all these ahh pull ults coming from

[rain spire]

Its the skill order lvl up

[round sentinel]

oh whoops

[strange seal]

Subaru is trying to say

Max s1 first then s3

Then ult

S2 only gets a bigger aoe and really is only used to boost s1

[strange seal]

Yeesh I need my own daima help

💔

[fierce cairn]

when are they removing this clown from the game

[tulip kite]

No don't remove him I'm trying to learn him dang it 👿

[white ginkgo]

How do i play this guy

[tulip kite]

What I've discovered:
Hit S1 with the power pole
Combine S1 w/S2 for close range combos
Use S3 to tank hits and get away
Use Ult to secure bosses

[frigid jasper]

Oh

So likeee

Super skill 1 reduction returning

Or

Boost

Whatever it was

[plucky phoenix]

Damage boost

[frigid jasper]

Maybe we're going back to the old miniku days

[plucky phoenix]

Idk...S3 still has 3 uses of 90% DR assuming it doesn't get merged

[frigid jasper]

I meant as in miniku being very very strong

Pretty oppressive too

Well hes both now I guess but back then he didnt have like the immune on ult

[rain spire]

Yh it just makes miniku stronger now if he doesn't get nerfed

He'll be one of the better picks in s1 buff draws

Alot of dps units do go up though
Vegito, ssj3, piccolo, trunks, ssj goku, godku

[frigid jasper]

To be fair

With miniku is kinda easy to control lane and farm

[dapper meadow]

Been running build up, Gaint Slayer, and Defense step. Honestly it isn’t as smooth sailing as I would like it to be since his character is very “wait for cooldown on S2 for big damage”

Might switch to Snow Ball/Solid Barrier/Defense step to increase his damage and have better boss secure

Relying on another DPS as the main damage isn’t so fun

[strange seal]

His ultimate is the secure and it is one of the best in the game

You run build up because besides s3 he has no defenses

And really don’t need to rely on s2

His s3 explodes s1 as well

While boosting movement speed and pretty sure energy defense

[strange seal]

Because the first half he doesn’t get hit

By that I mean he’s basically immortal for the first hit

And also then does extra dmg on anything that was supposed to hit him

So say a special beam cannon hits him there now he just one shots your entire team

[frigid jasper]

This guy isn't toppo

Why even run defense on a hit and run dps?

[dapper meadow]

So I can be a annoying rat that constantly in your face with S1 and S3 Spam

But my DPS are becoming unreliable so I will do it myself

[rain spire]

miniku playstyle isn't hit and run anymore its more akin to a brawler

[frigid jasper]

um

i dont think youll be on the frontlines most interactions

well for me anyways

[round sentinel]

yeah idt u can have a brawl playstyle with godgeta in the meta

[rain spire]

you can thats why vegito is still top tier

[round sentinel]

daimakus only source of good dmg is his bomb glorio combo

and ult

which both have long cds

[rain spire]

bomb and dance is enough

• glorio attack

[round sentinel]

bomb and dance gets shrugged off by most frontliners

[frigid jasper]

super skill 2 reduction helped him sm during the time

[round sentinel]

yeah

i usually go build up if its there

[frigid jasper]

buiildup insane

i always go snowball slayer and jump

[rain spire]

it really doesn't cause if they chase you they're losing the 1v1
they're taking dot damage and doing minimal damage to you and you can keep up with them cause of the movement speed

[frigid jasper]

i feel i could hide well enough so

[round sentinel]

if they chase theyre dumb

[rain spire]

you don't have to play hit and run because of daima goku's skill 3
only unit you won't kill in a reasonable time is godgeta

[round sentinel]

icl if they spread out the dmg output between bomb and dance then hed make a great brawler

[frigid jasper]

the dr eventually runs off

[rain spire]

you have 3 charges

[round sentinel]

and most meta units dont have one frame dmging skills

[rain spire]

if it runs off and you die you missplayed heavy

[round sentinel]

godku and ssj3ku all have sustainted dmg

[frigid jasper]

i personally dont get skill3 until late game since im not going to be oppressive at the start

[frigid jasper]

lord

[round sentinel]

u max out lighting first?

personally if im playing hit and run i max out all the skills and wait until late game to max ult

[frigid jasper]

bomb and ult at lvl 8

[frigid jasper]

i only get the ult for boss

[round sentinel]

tbh if youre fighting a lot getting max ult is crazy

[frigid jasper]

you could leave it lvl 1 but thats incase everyones there

[round sentinel]

the longer u say in the fight the longer u build up battle gear

boosting your ults dmg

[frigid jasper]

is that how it works?

[round sentinel]

yeah