Gamma 1 & Gamma 2

[unique pagoda]

Vegeta Zamasu Baby you destroy

[hard imp]

but like a cooler or vegeta?

ggs youre getting outted

[unique pagoda]

Cooler or Caulifla it's 50/50

[unique pagoda]

Gammas smoke Vegeta

[hard imp]

nah your really need the taunt

youll js get hard focused cus of your low health

[unique pagoda]

I'm talking like playing against btw

Not with

[hard imp]

im talking with

against

[unique pagoda]

Gammas own early game

They have A LOT hp there

[hard imp]

gammas are good against vegeta,zamasu,baby,cell

[open hornet]

Both my skills go into my blaster in the beginning of the game

[unique pagoda]

Yeah

[hard imp]

cooler and caulifa mess gammas up

esp cooler

legit negates 2 of your skills

how is that fair

[unique pagoda]

Cooler cancels all cutscene combos

[open hornet]

Only bc there's no reason to dive in yet but I feel like the blasters are affective

[hard imp]

its matchup dependent

like lets say ssj3 and cooler bottom lane

[open hornet]

Yeah, he's so damn broken

[hard imp]

id go S1 and S3 start

S1 to chase the ssj3 and S3 to steal kai

[unique pagoda]

I always go s1 and s3 start

[open hornet]

Noted

[unique pagoda]

Skill 1 is your best move for early game

And blaster is shared between both gammas

And pairs well with s1

[hard imp]

s1 is useless again dps with good movement or the cooler/caulifa situation

most of the time double S3 is the best

then S1,S2 and Ult in that order

[open hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-noted-notes-gif-26231953

[hard imp]

free my boy

[unique pagoda]

Especially now with s1 damage buff it's always great early game

You can always jump the tech

[open hornet]

That's why you want to pay attention to they're cool-downs

And predict where they're going

[hard imp]

yeah but will you be hitting it when you got a uub with double S3 or an ssj3 with S3?

that what im saying abt match ups

[unique pagoda]

Gammas beat SSJ3 tho?

[hard imp]

without S3 yeah

if ssj3 got S3

its a harder matchup

[unique pagoda]

He's forced to dip

Not win

[hard imp]

he can still snipe w S1

even if ssj3 runs hes still deadly

[unique pagoda]

He leaves you and you get free farm

[hard imp]

hes a sniper/assassin

[open hornet]

Yo

Join team 5

[unique pagoda]

Yeah gimme a second

[open hornet]

Igh

You down soup?

[hard imp]

what servers

[open hornet]

NA

[hard imp]

yeah not playing w 334ms 😭

[open hornet]

Wya cuh?😂

[unique pagoda]

I'm playing giving out mobile data to my laptop at the hospital

NA surprisingly barely lags

[hard imp]

🇰🇷 ✌️

[open hornet]

Danggggg

[unique pagoda]

All kids moved out of my room so i can vc prob

[open hornet]

Bhett

Wait

[hard imp]

damn why u at the hospital

[open hornet]

Ur at a hospital??

U good bruh?

Ya folks alr?

[unique pagoda]

Had an operation bc of testicular torsion

[open hornet]

Holy shi

[hard imp]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 😭

gws bro

[open hornet]

I genuinely hope u get well bruh

[unique pagoda]

My ball is fine

[open hornet]

That's crazy

[hard imp]

who twisted yo balls twin 🥀

[open hornet]

Bro's casually up about to play squadra

😂😂

[hard imp]

priorities gng

[unique pagoda]

idk i just woke up on a monday with a temperature and right ball hurting like hell whenever i moved

[unique pagoda]

it hurt to walk

[hard imp]

doesnt hurt to play gekishin tho

[open hornet]

Sheesh

I can feel the pain💀💀

[unique pagoda]

lets move to #✨game-moments

[open hornet]

Ighh

[split garnet]

gammas need nerf bro

[open hornet]

Ur buggin

[balmy haven]

JESUS I'm usually a lurker but that genuinely sounds crazy get well soon fellow gamma enjoyer

[thorn wraith]

Oh I already been doin this 😭

[unique pagoda]

im just saying what's at the top of my head

i really dont think about what i do with gammas, i just do them

bc i got used to doing stuff

[thorn wraith]

Yeah pretty much

I been trying to get the battle points up so I can get on the leaderboard

I was 94 but now im 105

[brave jackal]

I love the gammas

Because they are like Gotenks’ best friend

I slow them down while yall destroy them with skill 1 + skill 2 combo

🔥

[unique pagoda]

use blaster in their face when they're stunned after dashes

point blank blaster is the best burst move Gammas have

[brave jackal]

Oh I’m not using the gammas

I’m the Gotenks in the scenario

[fading hinge]

Gammas got me to A rank!

[graceful fable]

They’re pushing me to A rank

I’m only at B rn

They’re my main dps

[mossy bone]

Was looking for this I’m so glad I wasn’t going crazy thinking this, I got the muscle memory from 18 stacking her debuff and noticed my play was faster

[velvet mica]

gamma's are good fr?

[thorn wraith]

yupp

[vital harness]

You guys priorty other skills than S2?

Who in theirs right mind prio blaster...

[unique pagoda]

those who actually play gammas

tho if its skill 2 boost prio skill 2

free win

and forget you have skill 1 after level 3

unless its super start

[vital harness]

I heard people said build up might be good for gamma

So i tried gamma build up

[unique pagoda]

its really good now

[vital harness]

Build upm giant slayer. Pursuer

[unique pagoda]

i've been trying build up giant slayer pursuer

ts rocks

[vital harness]

Yeah

[unique pagoda]

also if you dont prio blaster

pursuer is practically worthless

blaster with pursuer melts

even at mid range it does pretty good damage

so gamma impact -> blaster with pursuer often ends up destroying a ton of hp

[vital harness]

I didnt know blaster act like shotgun

Because baby S1 also dont have damage fall off

[unique pagoda]

also pursuer only ups your energy damage

and i think only things that do energy damage in gammas kit are blaster and second hit of Gamma Impact

maybe the explosion from gamma strikes too

[vital harness]

S1 last dash have extra punch tho

[unique pagoda]

thats what im saying

it does an explosion

[vital harness]

I see. Thanks. I also play gamma. They kinda bald

[vital harness]

What about animation cancel

[unique pagoda]

using any skill seems to cancel animations

and vanish

[hard imp]

i hate how matchup dependant that combo is

bro

instant they allow you to see enemy team picks pregame

no ones gonna survive the gammas

you can build them for basically any situation and they'll be good

[thorn wraith]

Im ngl blaster is a bad move until lvl3

I always always prioritize skill 1&2 until im forced to pick blaster

If its super start I always pick blaster for that since its such a good move then

On non super start moves blaster is always the last move I lvl up simply cus I want access to core breaker early

[unique pagoda]

its decent at level 2

[unique pagoda]

skill 1 isnt worth upgrading at all

the damage increase between levels is miniscule

keeping it at level 1 is fine enough

[thorn wraith]

Ok actually what is the difference

[valid crest]

hey guys haven’t played the clankers in a while

what is the skill upgrade order and the build y’all are running

[thorn goblet]

I was just using the gammas, and gamma 2's HP wasn't getting restored past 1/3 of max hp. Did they nerf them?

[thorn wraith]

theres this visual bug where one of your gammas have the max hp bar when he uses his install

so it looks like you didnt heal all the way but in reality you did

[tropic kernel]

Level up path?

I just pulled their Legendary intro and Gold victory animation(already had their mvp) so im thinking of trying them

[tropic kernel]

To anyone who plans on telling me the lvl up path. Please do NOT use the names of the moves a simple 1 2 3 and 4/ult will be perfectly fine.

[peak dragon]

its been a while since ive played them but from what i remember their main path is just standard 1-2-3-ult repeat with minor adjustments

you wanna get 1 and 2 early so you can switch between them faster, and imo their 3 is mainly just for boss killing at early levels kinda like caulifla ult

their ult is insane at boss shredding and core breaker can give you really easy team wipes, but you need to be mindful that you're basically playing half a character after it until you recall

thats my two cents tho, anyone who's played them more than me can probably say something of more substance, but that should be a good general guideline

[honest storm]

Im tuff

[main quarry]

You do know that it doesn't reduce the moves cooldown right? Its damage and aoe buff (with extra hp gain for skill 2) So it wont switch between them faster

If you wanted to switch between them faster you would build blue cards (the reduction is small, about .8 second decrease for full blue card build)

[tropic kernel]

Well im more worried about the level up path then the cards.

I tried a super start match but skill 3 didnt feel that useful.

[peak dragon]

i'm saying switch between them faster just in the sense that you get both gammas online earlier since u get both of their moves at level 2 and 3

[modest prism]

I have a screenshot of a crucified gamma 2 (I’m fairly confident it was a bug of some sort, but gamma 2 was just there)

[tropic kernel]

I never really use their blaster as much as I think. Is there much point in it?

[hollow dragon]

It is their highest source of burst and your priority skill max as it can be weaved into several lines

You want to grab 3, then 1, so that you have both health bars and burst online asap by level 3. Grab s2 and ult to round out level 5, then alternate 3-2-ult until they’re maxed. You get insane value out of one point of s1, and the others gain huge value from more levels

Cards are your standard snowball barrier blue affair, backstab is great if you’re ambushing and LBJ is great if you’re dodging a lot

There’s an argument for grabbing max blaster 8 and level 2 ult at 9: make this call based on whether your ult will be off cooldown between level 8 and 9 and you’re going to use it

[tropic kernel]

It genuinely feels like no damage but maybe its supoosed to be close range like melee range.

[hollow dragon]

Yep, it’s like caulifla super, its a shotgun, best to weave it after s1 or s2 connects and you animation cancel with a rush attack

[tropic kernel]

Rush attack cancels it?

[hollow dragon]

Rush cancels the end lag of s1 hits yeah

Can immediate chain s3 from there

[tropic kernel]

Ah. Cool.

Had no idea. I was js going crazy

[proper obsidian]

Played my first few matches with them

And i must say I got 3 mvps off rip with them

[thorn wraith]

The chosen

[valid crest]

guys what’s your order for the skills? i go prioritize blaster and then gamma 2 move, ult and then gamma 1 move

[hollow dragon]

Starting off, 3-1-2-ult, then priority is blaster - ult- 2 - 1

[spare ginkgo]

Blaster is still the priority? Even after the buffs? Are we certain about that

[valid crest]

yep it’s still the main damaging move up close and I don’t feel like I need to prioritize the other moves

like the gamma 2 skill

[thorn wraith]

I disagree, its TRUE that blaster does a lot of damage up close but getting blaster as one of the first skills is just not as good as getting skill 1 and 2

In normal games I prioritize skill 1 and 2 for the swaps, (because skill2 doesn't deal a lot of damage and skill1 forces you to use the more fragile gamma) and then after i have both skill 1 and 2 then I would choose skill 3. If it was a skill 2 up match I would ignore blaster and just go all in on skill 2

After getting skill 2 to lvl3 getting blaster to lvl3 is more important than skill 1. Somewhere down the line you should have your ult at lvl3 as soon as possible for core breaker as it is a move that can change the trajectory of a game

Always always always WAIT for the right time for core breaker as you only have one chance to use it. My primary use is to take bosses as it shreds. (Especially with snowball stacks.)
Core breaker will not work if you walk out the boss radius so you have to commit if you're in a team fight at boss. (It will still work if you die)

Killing players is a big risk because they can just walk out the radius, so wait for a cc move to combo with or if you're SURE its gonna hit like if everyone is on the boss or stuck on a GOD.

Tldr I prioritize 2-3-1 and get lvl 3 ult as soon as possible

[valid crest]

no I meant later I always get skill 1 and 2 first

and later I prioritize skill 3, 2 and ult and then skill 1

[valid crest]

i’ve started playing the clankers again in season 2. how often should I usen core breaker and when? that’s the only move idk much about

[hollow dragon]

Blaster 1st because you don’t have a reliable secure without it at level 3 against competent players and you start out with form 1 access. Grab triple kick second because now you have blaster for pre engage farm and triple kick for engage to blaster secure/fight, and you’ve unlocked both health bars. If they get rid of gamma 2 you automatically get gamma 1

After that grab s2, then prio becomes blaster - ult - s2 - s1

That’s what I’ve learned playing and watching tourneys and scrims anyway

S2 is a nice bulk boost but end lag leads to being outplayed against competent players and the shield is only sizeable at 2+. It isn’t worth getting level 2 over unlocking the entire kit, so it ends up taking a backseat until mid game

[thorn wraith]

Just try to use your core at the right time. Trust me dont be that guy trying to 1v3 with core breaker as its not gonna work out. Since getting players are very dependant on their cards (mostly barrier) and their movement i would try to get boss with it above all else, but if that's out the way wait for a team fight and a cc move to combo with

[tranquil pawn]

Buildup or Snowballs for Gammas

[thorn wraith]

Uhh i would say it depends on your playstyle

Imo I think gammas are built as a glass cannon so I like to be able to run in, kill everybody and leave

[tranquil pawn]

i like to steamroll multiple people and buildup really helps

each gamma has low hp but together they have as much as a tank

every time i have an ult, when im using buildup, i steamroll 2 people

[thorn wraith]

If that works for you then build up is the way to go

[tranquil pawn]

glass cannon? if you switch often enough they outsurvive everyone even without the ult

the only reason im questioning myself is core breaker

core breaker with 4 snowballs is simply busted

[thorn wraith]

Well theyre squishy on their own so having loads of damage kind of balances it out but that's jus me

[tranquil pawn]

what cards do u think is good to run for gammas? im asking for 2nd/3rd cards

[thorn wraith]

I go snowball, barrier and pursuer
But a more optimal setup would be snowball barrier and LBJ

Giant killer also works

[drowsy pond]

Wait what is gammas best build

[tranquil pawn]

giant slayer is awesome but barrier is simply superior

[thorn wraith]

Pretty sure its just snowball barrier and LBJ

[tranquil pawn]

or else i lose a gamma to 4 simultaneous ults on my face

[thorn wraith]

Forgot to say backstab is also an option

[thorn wraith]

Only go GS for the damage

Or if you a baller

[drowsy pond]

Wait is build up better than snowball for gamms

[thorn wraith]

I think ppl are still deciding

I haven't done that setup myself but a lot of players are saying its viable

[tranquil pawn]

i tested

world king brings core breaker from 22k dmg to 29k at lvl 11

with snowballs it goes from 28k (world king no snowballs) to 35k (world king + snowballs)

28k is more than enough to insta kill a lvl 11 transformed ssj vegeta

so i think its enough to kill almost anything

Any tips on how to land core breaker?

[spare ginkgo]

There aren't really any "tips" for core breaker specifically.
As Rocky said above its best used as a boss secure, and the chaos during said boss could net a kill or two. Else it can be used when people are stuck in animation on hitting your tower. Lastly, as with any other big, hard to hit attacks, try to combo it with someone else's stun. Luckily SSJ4 Vegeta has the most busted stun in the game right now

It isn't exactly the most reliable stun in the game right now but I would guess after tonight's maintenance that'll be largely fixed

[thorn wraith]

^

[cold marlin]

Anyone got some good cards i can use for gammas? Been running Snowball, giant, and pursue, wanted to see if anything better

[valid crest]

i’m using build up barrier persuer, but you could also run snowball barrier persuer or snowball barrier lbj

you just have to experiment a bit

[green dune]

I like going build up, barrier and LBJ these days but snowball works too if you don't need the Dr stacks

[echo lichen]

WE ARE SUPER HEROES!!

[hard imp]

pack it up twin 🥀

[hard imp]

curious but what rank does this strat work in

[cold marlin]

I can see that working, but I normally go for Snowball for extra damage, as well as giant slayer and pursuer, helps with getting elims and also staying alive

[valid crest]

guys is anyone else having the issue that you’re spawning after being killed without being fully healed?

at least with the gammas

[thorn wraith]

Thats a bug with his ult

Been in the game since day one

Its only visual

[light cape]

How's Build Up, Giant Slayer and Pursuer as a card loadout for them

[green dune]

Pretty good, I'd say go for solid barrier instead since you often go top on gammas anyway but this is nice. Mine is build up, solid and then LBJ to secure or eacape

[opal hound]

is it normal to feel like I'm not really doing anything with this character outside of butter up enemies for allies to kill

just tried them for the first time

they feel really weird, janky and unsatisfying as a whole so I'm wondering if I'm just doing something wrong

feels like I'm not really capable of doing much in bosses

and I get punished way more than any other character for committing because I have to return to spawn if a gamma dies

idk I'm not too sure how I wanna use my skills either cause you get a lot of options but I'm not too sure which gamma I'd want out at what situation

[thorn wraith]

I think their worst quality is secure. They COULD take bosses but it will not be as fast or on the same lvl as like a special beam cannon or spirit bomb.

I think his kit is unique in the sense that you have to switch between playing cautious and aggressive sometimes to micromanage their individual health pools.

Gamma 1 has the biggest hp and AA range out of both of them, so in intermissions I switch to gamma 1 so my gamma 2 doesn't explode

And also I personally find S1 to be a more satisfying move to have because it can chase, close gaps and deal big damage. So honestly losing that move is like losing 60% of the kit imo

S2 I use as a way to enter a fight since its aoe and deals decent damage, while also swapping to get that overhealth. S3 doesn't see much light until like mid-late game cus its such a weak move until its maxed out. But dont sleep on it cus it does big damage up close, I mean big big damage.

[thorn wraith]

Sometimes I feel like this too, you just gotta abuse the tools you have to get up close and end the fight quickly. By that mean I switching to G1 for mid range cover if theyre far, and if they're trying to run away dash at them with S1 and you can also combo it into S3 if you want for great damage. Usually they're better early game (especially with skill dmg up draw) so use that opportunity to build stacks (build up and snowball) and try to get the early lead faster than your opponent

Once they have the edge over you playing gammas is kind of hard unless uou have core breaker, which can EASILY change the outcome of a game.

Easily one of the best tools in their kit

[opal hound]

...how screwed are you if you don't win the match after core breaker?

oh wait nevermind my brain for some reason

thought core breaker perma killed gamma 2

LOL

thanks for these I'll prolly try them a bit more

also they go nail right?

[thorn wraith]

I go nail but if you want more core breaker dmg go world king

Doesn't really matter but whatever

[thorn wraith]

@opal hound this is how you use your core breaker btw

[opal hound]

thanks

how much does core breaker usually do on bosses?

like what's the health % point I'd look for?

[opal hound]

...I just had core breaker one shot a ulted kale even though I have no red cards

holy hell what

[thorn wraith]

Yeah it does big damage

[thorn wraith]

Usually it should one shot or do like 80 of its hp

[opal hound]

holy hell ight

[thorn wraith]

Keep in mind if you step out of the boss radius it won't do any damage

But if you die near it, core breaker will still do its full damage

[severe falcon]

Imo

Both are good

1 is used for the general mid game stuff

More hp and a lot more range

2 is mean for your dps close range

He procs the passive shot by 1 a lot faster than 1 does for twin

He is the dude you call in to finish the fight especially with his skill 1 chase potential

[opal hound]

https://medal.tv/games/dragon-ball-gekishin-squadra-em/clips/lDylgVGn8hYEqVUWh?invite=cr-MSwwWVQsNDMyNjM0&v=6

how risky is it to go for stuff like this

like should I try for it in situations like these or should I just let em live

[willow fox]

The blaster at full power are key to most of their kit

Since assuming most people here know how strong their blasters are

[opal hound]

is it better to sacrifice a gamma instead of popping special pose against dabura if you're boutta be petrified

[thorn wraith]

Just sacrifice one gamma

Its not worth losing both

[thorn wraith]

This is a baller kill

I hit something like this a few weeks ago

#1431403670712488011 message

This is my best kill ever

Probably

I feel like if theyre one shot its better to use blaster but maybe the burst speed of dash1 would kill them

Dont recommend

[thorn wraith]

Yup

[opal hound]

fair

[spare ginkgo]

Is it really best to super start the S2?

[modest prism]

Personally I use Super Start on blaster. Considering it’s neutral and can be used by both gammas, it’s amazing to have maxed out immediately. While Impact is also really good, if gamma 1 dies, you’re stuck with nothing except the two other upgrades you get from the early farms brining you to level 3

[opal hound]

ngl I'm kinda confused on why you'd want S2 prioritised over S1

why is S2 prioritized more?

you can't chase with it, it doesn't do funny damage

secondary effect only exists in ult

just feels like a really slow aoe attack that's just kinda ehh

[modest prism]

It has a 4 second cooldown

[opal hound]

so basically just for the damage consistency?

[modest prism]

Pretty much. It puts up solid pressure when maxed out, but in super start go for blaster then make the level 2 your impact.

[opal hound]

ight

[green dune]

Exactly that. It has by far the most burst on ur kit, wide range and the kicker. Each of them can use it..... Early game it makes you barely unstoppable.

[green dune]

The armor 100% he is a burst at the end of the day getting more HP is fat.

Plus it's cd is much better

This with backstab makes you a demon.

Or use backstab with you blaster if you don't need the ho

HP*

[orchid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/gamma-1-gamma-2-dragon-ball-gif-9659593155290671356

[thorn goblet]

Is it just me, or can Gohan or Vegeta cancel core breaker?

[green dune]

dude this hppaned today and i came here abt it lol. guess its smth that other had too thought i got scammed or smth lol😭 😭

[brazen pewter]

Did you guys know that I have special combos to use as gamma 2 when he’s low health

Use skill1 3 times to go the g.o.d. Area in time

[dire comet]

I love the gammas

[gleaming anchor]

Which Skill should be prioritized for the Gammas? I wanted to try them out. See if I can get good with them

[valid crest]

skill 2 and 1

you don’t need to upgrade skill 3 just upgrade skill 2, 1 and ult

[keen folio]

Guys, I am playing the Gammas for a while now, is it just me or are the Gammas a Ulthan counter?

[severe falcon]

not rly a counter . he is just a rly tanky dps with their hp bars and ability to get constant extra hp from gohan

gohan has good burst but sucks in longer fights so gammas can rly just tank and kill bro

[green dune]

On super start 2 and 3 r ur best bets as 3 isn't good till max lvl tbh but ur skill 2 is highest priority generally best move in the kit cuz of the amount of armor u can get as well as giving u a ranged m1 which is needed for poking enemies and escaping hard fights

Skill order is 1, 2, 2, 1, 4, then from there save

[echo kestrel]

How are you supposed to play these guys, they feel so fragile and clunky to me. I've scrolled up and read a lot of the tips so far, but even when I try to implement them I'm still failing miserably with these characters. I have better success with Trunks and he's just as squishy as them, so I don't know what I'm missing with them.

I'm always ending a game with no damage on them and high amounts of deaths because I literally can't engage without risking my life which usually ends up being futile anyway.

[timid bough]

1. You need to max out their s2 first
2. Always have build + solid barrier on them
3. Gammas are about being tanky bruser, not glass cannon damage dealer (getting 3 damage cards will never work on them)

And due to this you better of getting lvl 2 s1 instead lvl 1 s3

[echo kestrel]

I usually would go for lvl 3 S3 first. That might be why I'm feeling squishy, the increased armor on S2 is more important than the damage of S3. I see.

My card build is always Build Up, Solid Barrier, and LBJ. I guess I'm just rotating abilities incorrectly then?

[green dune]

Yea I got 2 1 2 1, save for ult and hit 8 to get the 3 points into lvl 2 ult and lvl 3 skill 1 and 2 then I finnaly get blaster

[green dune]

Yea the only time I'd get it is super start cuz the blaster isn't a big deal for his kit till lvl 3 imo. Maybe 2 but still not great secure

[green dune]

This build is like 2. Rotate by hitting a fat skill 1 then hit ur skill 2 to give armor. Then when ur comfortable hit s1 again cuz the armor transfers to gamma 2. Then hit ur blast and finish with a giant s1 3rd kick.

Btw always ult early not late the stun opens combos and the buffs are only good if u got hp. Tho it does heal some not sure how much

[orchid jackal]

For me it's max out skill 1 or 2 first depending on which gamma I have alive at that time. (I only max out skill 3 with super start.) Then I max out The Ult, because core breaker is such a funny move.

[severe falcon]

Cant agree with the cards

[hard imp]

0/10 ragebait

[honest summit]

o/10000000000000000000000

son una mierda

[meager flicker]

Question, how do these two survive in a teamfights alone if it's likely, didn't expect to fight and live for a while that I managed to take out 2 people in a 1vs3.

Do they just spam Skill 1 and 2 to survive a little while and maybe pop Super if it's available?

[hard imp]

always pop super first

gives u extra health and all your skills are boosted

[meager flicker]

Will these two do well as long as my attacks land? I save it for a stagger at times, A bit scared of dying sometimes

[hard imp]

yes

js land all your attacks and youre fine

[tranquil pawn]

Literally that

[meager flicker]

I'll keep that in mind, was too scared to attack while in Super, guess I won't have to worry on surviving a 1vs3 now

[vapid osprey]

What cards we take now (after nerfs)?

[hard imp]

same old snowball, prepare to die/barrier, jump

the nerf to build up was way bigger than the snowball nerfs

so youll be shredding about the same amount

[ebon thorn]

Snowball, giant slayer, backstab does wonders for me tho

[hard imp]

tbh

id prefer prepare to die

gammas are more of a chaser character

they do well in long team fights

and can chase down low health enemies

[ebon thorn]

True but imo you can switch either one out, both are viable and hella good for the gammas, i dont think they need a green card since not many things can one shot them due to their seperate hp unless you ulted.

[hard imp]

if theres tankier enemies then use giant slayer lowk

[ebon thorn]

I usualy switch to giant slayer if we get into end game times, like if we're lvl 11 or 10 since most of us would be alittle beefy

[orchid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/trade-offer-dungeons-and-fakultet-gif-15123941056434615026

"We take away the stun, but in return, you get free invincibility." (Bandai)

[orchid jackal]

Gammas are still Gammas, they're still good.

You just have to play them differently now.

They also made Stupei fly faster, but keep number 1 the same for some reason.

[orchid jackal]

https://tenor.com/view/gamma-gamma-1-and-2-gamma-1-gamma-2-dragon-ball-gif-2921764422989121311

[nimble arrow]

How do the gammas feel now that their ult is basically a counter attack instead of an on command stagger?

[hard imp]

100x time better acc

allows them to weave nuke ults and plus with the gamma revive makes them just a way better tank

[knotty knot]

Can anybody explain how the healing scales for gamma ult

[vapid pilot]

Based on the health of your gammas. The lower your health the more butt your ult health will be. It's best to throw out gamma 2, fight for a bit and get half health then ult. Using ult when they are both very low is a waste since your bar will be very small—unless you're using it to escape a Broly ult or whatever else (i.e. using Core Breaker)

[mortal sphinx]

what do you do against vegito. is there any answer him within the kit?

[orchid jackal]

Fight him like how you would Ffght anyone else.

[severe falcon]

Yoo Yoo

Guys question

What does leveling up ult do for the gammas?

Also

I idk if this is common knowledge

But you can use the extra hp gamma 1 generates to fight with gamma 2 for the big damage boost in melee

I always thought it stayed with one only so it’s weird I just found this out in a bot match

[rich ridge]

Longer ult charge

So you stay in the duo format longer

lvl 3 gives you core breaker

Also larger AOE but thst no longer has an effect :(

[vapid pilot]

Currently gammas are used for boss secure at level 11 when you get maxed Ult. After the nerfs this is their best job other than burning bosses for other characters to finish off.

They are still great but to make them actually playable in this meta you need tank cards.

[green dune]

They have never been for bosses they are still what they always have been, midlane brawlers with consistency. They are still top 6 or 7 characters right now after their changes but yeah the build up nerf did hit them specifically hard

[rich ridge]

Yea i use tank card in draw 1 and 3

Giant slayer for 2

[unkempt siren]

I like to play Gamma 1 & 2.

[severe falcon]

imo idk about gammas

[azure bolt]

Is anyone using gamma?
Haven’t encountered him since season 2

[cold marlin]

I am 🙁

[vapid pilot]

He isn't used in high rank very much. I see him much more in C-A rank but not in S.

[azure bolt]

When I encounter him He’s either super fragile or tanks better than some tanks

[green dune]

i am love em

[green dune]

he is a brusuier but ppl run him with alot of red instead of too easy defense step so that might be why he dies easy sometimes but tanks like hell others

[hard imp]

i may be the only S rank gamma player 💔

[vapid pilot]

Nah. Im there with ya buddy dw we can suffer together

[hard imp]

❤️ 🙏

[severe falcon]

Gamma

Is genuinely the best melee dps in the game now

The damage buff on skill 2 during ult

Is very very oppressive due to the massive aoe

[hard imp]

imo after they lost their stun they kinda got worse

[severe falcon]

well dont worry now cause now he is the stronest melee hero in the game lmao

[hard imp]

a melee hero in a long ranged meta 🥀

[severe falcon]

Mf shut

[hard imp]

fym

[severe falcon]

Have you seen what your hero does

[hard imp]

ssj3, vegito, kefla, godku (maybe not him cus he doesnt have great movement)

[severe falcon]

Aoe / extra hp with shielding .

[hard imp]

they can all keep the gammas at a distance

[severe falcon]

He deff can’t lmao

[hard imp]

thats real nice until they get too far from you

[severe falcon]

Then run around

[hard imp]

fym run arounf

[severe falcon]

You have legs

What do you mean vegito

[hard imp]

bro does not know how the gammas operate 😭

[severe falcon]

Kefla is the only one I can say maybe

[hard imp]

vegito has his dashes?

[severe falcon]

You have massive aoe shielding and dashes

[hard imp]

ssj3 has instant transmission and skill 2

[severe falcon]

Ahh yess he can insta transmission out but then he leaves the boss fight

[hard imp]

massive aoe that does barely any damage unless u in ult

[severe falcon]

And your ult is

[hard imp]

WHY IS BRO TALKING ABT BOSSES LMAOAOAO

[severe falcon]

How long is the cooldown ?

Doesn’t it heal you for 40% hp ?

[hard imp]

regardless the characters i was talking abt can js steal w their ults

[severe falcon]

Then you kill them lmao

[hard imp]

youre in one place for a million years which gimes them time to get out of range

[severe falcon]

In a fight he is by the best hero in the game

[hard imp]

🥀

vegito has better survivability

ssj3 and kefla have better range and damage

and godku?

yeah bro will kill u before u even see him

its like you never touched gammas

theyre good against low movement tanks and low damage dps

like broly or toppo

or ssj vegeta

if they have good movement or good damage or hell even cc gammas are cooked

[severe falcon]

@hard imp I’m saying he is the best melee dps in the game because of him being the most tanky melee hero in the game

And with the recent buff

Now becoming the best melee dps in the game mid - late

The game is structured around big fights at bosses

Times where the enemy can’t back off

So him having an animations means a lot less cause he can basically go in and ult infront of the enemy team and they can’t leave or risk losing boss

And then combined with his free aoe shielding buff on said ult for and he is opppresive asf to fight

Hell for the skill 2 cooldown he is the only melee dps you can pick

The others come no where clear to abusing it lmao

You gain less cooldown on a large , damaging aoe attack that gives you bonus hp .

That also gets enhanced for more damage and more extra hp in ult

Enemies have range but what’s the counter to that?

You can run around

The fight

Hide in bushes

You easily force them out of position

The only exception is kefla and she is just busted to everyone

[hard imp]

one word: vegito

[severe falcon]

You destroy him in a 1v1 lmao 🤣

[hard imp]

mainly revolve around killing all the enemies or stealing with your ult

[severe falcon]

Which is the same exact thing I said

[hard imp]

if u drag it out too long then youre js putting yourself into a worse position

[severe falcon]

Big fights at bosses

[hard imp]

big fights mean long dragged out fights

[severe falcon]

No?

Big fights can mean a lot of things

[hard imp]

u can have a 4v4 and it wouldnt be a big fight cus it ends shortly

[severe falcon]

It’s a blanket term . Long drawn out fights can happen as well

As well as ult steal fights or trying to run enemy team down

[hard imp]

would u count a goku using super and killing everyone at the boss location a big fight?

no

[severe falcon]

Yes?

Whatever

I’m not arguing the definition of a big fight with you

[hard imp]

big fights r fights that drag out and require th us of lots of material

omd this som B rank coping

[severe falcon]

Why is it that people always go to that?

[hard imp]

your literally describing vegito 😂

[hard imp]

well is it my fault you sound like one?

[severe falcon]

The thing is vegito loses damage the further away he is from targets

And he needs to hit multiple people

You gain the hp for much longer

[hard imp]

its higher rank lobbies boss fights dont last long at all

[severe falcon]

Dude I don’t wanna bring rank into this cause it’s rly rly stupid asf

Just cause I don’t agree

Doesn’t mean I’m B rank

What type of stupid mf reasoning is that?

[hard imp]

no cus your making stupid claims

[severe falcon]

Omfg

Never mind

[hard imp]

yeah exactly

[severe falcon]

No point in discussing with someone who don’t even wanna discuss and wanna act like a kid

[hard imp]

i wanna like a kid?

what r u even on abt

[severe falcon]

Your asking childish

Wanna know how I know?

You put SSS in your profile

[hard imp]

yeah learn how to speak before acc coming to discuss something

yeah cus im SSS

☠️

like what point r u tryna make

[severe falcon]

Forget it .

All I’m saying is you can’t be delusional to say gammas is weak rn

Especially since he got the best buffs in the patch notes

[hard imp]

when did i ever say they were weak

i said they werent made for this meta

u see what i mean youre missing the whole point of this convo

[severe falcon]

The weaknesses you stated

[hard imp]

yeah

[severe falcon]

Are the same for every melee dps

In every moba

[hard imp]

glaring weaknesses to the stronger heroes in this meta

[severe falcon]

You have a brain

You can easily out play that

Maybe don’t run directly infront of the ranged herous and use the multiple different paths of approach

Kefla is the only real

Excuse I can say is rly hard to get on

[hard imp]

multiple longer paths giving the ranged hero time to get out of range

[severe falcon]

And away from the fight

While you can easily sustain their damage

And they can’t yours

[hard imp]

or far enough to make the gammas obsolete

ssj3 and godku have hella long ranges yk

while still doing crazy daamage

[severe falcon]

That they sit down

And stand still

To use

[hard imp]

while they kill u?

[severe falcon]

You can’t dash behind them?

You have multiple leap skills dude

[hard imp]

bro youre acting like the enemies cant do nothing when the gammaas are chasing

[severe falcon]

And a free dash

[hard imp]

THEY CAN ATTACK

[hard imp]

1 leap

skill 2

?

[severe falcon]

They cant attack while using their long range skill

[hard imp]

skill 1 is a clunky dash that has a pause at the end

[severe falcon]

If your talking about rush attacks I mean

[severe falcon]

Burst damage on the rly squishy enemy dps

Who can’t take that damage

[hard imp]

ssj3 can do enough damage with his skill 1 to melt gamma 1

and if u say ult he can instant or skill 2 out

his skill 2 has great range

vegito with his dashes can stall until your ult runs out

then gammas are free

[severe falcon]

If he tracks / you

[severe falcon]

Then wait till he commits

With his ult

It’s not rocket science

If vegito dashes away

[hard imp]

yeah maybe thatll work in D rank

[severe falcon]

With his ult

[hard imp]

????????????????????????

BRO SAID RUNS AWAY WITH HIS ULT

[severe falcon]

Works when I play toppo in S rank but sure

[severe falcon]

No I didn’t

[hard imp]

u legit did

[severe falcon]

I said vegito has to choose

You said he can dash away correct?

[hard imp]

he can obv

[severe falcon]

He can’t dash away after he uses his ult cause he is looking for ult resets on your team

So then

You can jump him

Idk if you understand what I mean

[hard imp]

how abt

he doesnt use his ult to engage?

[severe falcon]

Then he is a sitting duck in your entire team

And you still beat him in a 1v1

So yeah

[hard imp]

you think vegito is useless without his ult omd

[severe falcon]

It’s pretty much where most of his strength comes from . The ult reset and instant cooldown refresh

Plus idk

If your telling me

Gammas loses to vegito

Without ult

That’s a you problem

[hard imp]

ive played vegito, killed overleveled gammas easily with good positioning and ability cycling

ive played gammas, killed some vegitos yeah but sometimes its a struggle

it really isnt a skill problem is a hero problem

[severe falcon]

Damn and what mistakes did the gammas make?

Or where you just uber fed from before the fight?

[hard imp]

really nothing

they played well

[hard imp]

literally a raw 1v1

encounter

mid tryna get the kai

[severe falcon]

I very much doubt that

[hard imp]

sucks for you then

[severe falcon]

Eh

You cant prove your not lying either

Wish we had a replay system

[hard imp]

u want me to pull up a week old vod?

yeah n1 bro

[severe falcon]

Sure lmao

I wanna see

[hard imp]

like its js sad how u cant acc see the gammas glaring issues

[severe falcon]

I see their issues

But you can’t seem to see around them

His issues are low range but his strengths are he is the hardest to kill dps on the game

You need lik 3 people to focus bro cause in. 1v1 your oppressive

[hard imp]

yeah atp if u need 3 people youre js feed

[severe falcon]

Can you show the vod

[hard imp]

is crazy to think that you shouldnt get into the gammas effective range?

[hard imp]

u acc think i save vids of my games crazy

[severe falcon]

I rly wanna see how gammas lost to a vegito and he wasnt already super weak or skill issue

[severe falcon]

Then we both can’t fact check lmao

For all I know you can be saying that just to win the argument

Whatevs though

[hard imp]

maybe u should try it yourself

next time u find a vegito hard focus him

or how abt u play vegito

acc nvm u cant find gammas in the wild

endangered species

i wonder why

anyways tldr gammas cannot handle this meta

[severe falcon]

nope

[hard imp]

they only really good against tank and shi

[severe falcon]

been seing him a lot

[hard imp]

or dps w no movement

[severe falcon]

espeically with the skill 2 cooldwon reduction

he is broken there

next to kefla

[hard imp]

next to kefla is crzy

bro aint even in the top 3

after buffs

[severe falcon]

who else has good skills 2?

[hard imp]

godku?

broly?

vegito???

[severe falcon]

goku cant do much when you have a 2 second aoe sheilding damage leap

[severe falcon]

ahh yes the stomp

you do 2 before he finishes 1

but yeah

and then you ult and do more

but

[hard imp]

barely any shield you mind u

[severe falcon]

with more hp gained and 1000+ on top

boy

alr bro

[hard imp]

legit all the shield u get

js evapourates

poof

gone

u acc start getting good shield when u go into ult

[severe falcon]

if you think your main is so bad and for some reason cant see his strenghts

[hard imp]

w the double shield gain from skill 1 and 2

[severe falcon]

go play the others

[hard imp]

in THIS META HES NOT GOOD

[severe falcon]

sure grandpa

[hard imp]

overall theyre a pretty strong counter pic

[severe falcon]

take your pills later

[hard imp]

yeah this starting to sound like ragebait

[severe falcon]

your the one rage baiting saying his self sheilding is mid

[hard imp]

it really is

only noticable when its on a 2 sec cooldown

[severe falcon]

on a 4 second cooldown

you get

aoe damage , sheilding that scaes with more targets hit

that gets enhanced for more damage and more sheilding in ult + more damage and its mid

dude idk

[hard imp]

mid damage outside of ult nd sheilds that let u survive .5 seconds longer

[severe falcon]

maybe its cause i play toppo , yall cant see how easy you have it

[hard imp]

i mean if u rushing into a low dps character then yeah it helps

[hard imp]

IN ULT

only in ult

is when he has true surviability

his survivaility outside of it is meh

[severe falcon]

he has two hp bars

you can cycle through

you can give sheilding to the squishy one btw

[hard imp]

you cant constatly cycle through cus of gamma 2's low heath and long cd for skill 1

or longer compared to skill 2

dash in if u dont finish them off youre cooked

and dont say gamma blaster will save u

[severe falcon]

gamma blasters sucks

[hard imp]

gamma blaster is great if u can close the distance

skill 1 into skill 3 into skill 2

thats the main line for gammas

that IF you can close the distance

bro knew he was in the wrong and js dipped that crazy

[severe falcon]

We where going in circles

No point

[hard imp]

you were

js learn the character youre tryna argue abt then come back

[severe falcon]

Sure kiddo

[distant locust]

Yo how do I gamma

[vapid pilot]

I agree with this and how they gutted Gamma 2. Give him his damage back >>

[vapid pilot]

Engage with Gamma 2 usually. Or engage with Gamma Impact. Experiment with cards. I like going tank cards. Ult if you get caught in anyone's ult and you can dodge about half of it.

[hard imp]

no gammas alr got damage, its js the stun was really useful for countering certain abilities

[distant locust]

Alright,how do I continue to fight thiugh? They have a very unique flow and Im unsure of how to master it.

[vapid pilot]

So when you get low on Gamma 2 switch to Gamma 1 with Impact to get a shield then switch back to Gamma 2 to transfer the shield and keep brawling with him then switch back to Gamma 1 before Gamma 2 dies. You'll need him to an escape of the fight goes wrong. From then on you just fight with Gamma 1 and rely on your impact to keep yourself alive. You can always save your ult till one of them dies or you can rush in and ult, that makes you an easy target since you no longe have two health bars.

[distant locust]

Oh my God it's THE dr hero

Alright,makes sense

[vapid pilot]

Lots of people have diff ways to play them. This is just what I find works for me. You'll find your own flow I'm sure. Good luck

[distant locust]

Thanks. I am trying to get good at everyone so that I can randomly select anyone I wanna play

[hard imp]

if you know how to cycle your abilities and health properly youll be able to kill most enemies

be careful for enemies who have good movement or that can shred you before u can get close

[vapid pilot]

Like Kefla.

Dabura is also a big counter if you don't know how to properly manage the meter. You'll pop out of one Gamma and instantly get frozen again on the other. Same with your ult.

Also- Cooler. His field will make you useless so you have to wait that out before actually attacking the guy with anything but the blaster. Most annoying tank for the Gammas.

[hard imp]

yeah

for dabura its either you kill him quick or he kills u quick

u cant let him get off both of his meter skills or youre cooked

[orchid jackal]

Or it's the opposite, where he spits one one gamma but the other one still lives. So it's 50/50 matchup. (Except it's dabura, so 80/20 for the gammas.)

[jovial gazelle]

skill priority

[obtuse cape]

S2 first, S3 and Ult.
At the start of match you better grab S1 just so you can fight exchanging between Gammas

[jovial gazelle]

Btw if one of the gammas died how can I restore him

Do I have to always fallback?

[hard imp]

or ult

[languid fjord]

any other gamma users been experiencing the most atrocious hp display glitches ever when messing around with ult? It's happened to me so many times I'm gonna start recording my matches just to catch it and report it cause it urks me so much but I just wanna know if anyone else recorded it cause I beg you REPORT IT TO THE DEVS THIS GLITCH HAS BEEN HERE BEFORE AND IT KEEPS GETTING WORSE AND WACKIER

[thorn goblet]

Yeah, I've experienced something like that before. I'm pretty sure leveling up can fix it, though it is annoying to deal with late game

[safe crystal]

why is gamma 2 so bad compared to 1? he is melee range but has less hp, less damage, and his special gains no extra hp when you use it unless you are in special fighting pose.

[obtuse cape]

I guess because his S1 is a 3-strike combo that deals heavy damage, so in exchange you become more vulnerable? idk

[languid fjord]

heavy damage is a joke the skill 2 is 10X more useful in ult and you'd just miss skill 1 anyway cause of ping most of the time

[hard imp]

gammas 2 has way better dps that gamma 1

u js dont see it as much cus u prefer to be gamma 1

with his extra range and health

[severe falcon]

well imo

its cause both are supposed to be used interchanged

you know cause the sheulding from gamma 1 carries over to two

both of them are extremes

gama 1 low damage , and heavy sustain and two has high damage with zero hp to back it up and they have a super buff based ult that can bascially give you a second life

imo i wish they buffed his rush attack range a lil or made his skill one third hit have less end lag

outside of that dude if fine but under played

he cant kill god vegeta easiyl but god goku is a victime

and he basically is the best brawler in the game

[languid fjord]

yea no gamma 2's damage is just weak compared to 1 if you're ulting which is the important part of the character, and even in early game skill 1 is way too weak and it's a nightmare farming with the character and securing kai, they should just buff skill 1 back to how it was before it's not gonna break the game anyways

[safe crystal]

gamma 2 skill takes too long to get that high damage and if i remember you can dodge the explosion negating that "high" damage but gamma 1 doesn't need to do his skill over 2s to get the full thing

[languid fjord]

yeah the explosion should get changed to land no matter if you vanish in between the third hit punch and explosion cause oh my god the amount of damage you lose

you could argue bait the vanish but I honestly can't keep track when I'm in a tense team fight focusing on up to 4 ppl

[safe crystal]

i hate how they have stuff you shouldn't be able to dodge dodgeable with vanish step WHY CAN YOU VANISH TOPPO COUNTER AND ANDROID 18 ULT????

[languid fjord]

forced powercreep

[nimble arrow]

Yeah for "unavoidable" attacks like that should break through i frames

[severe falcon]

yeah ofc i agree

never did say that gamma 1 wasnt superior

i totatlly

agree with the frustration how your kit damage gets super nerfed by somone vanishing

i play toppo as well lmao

[vocal dawn]

Any tips for the gammas because I am trying to learn them

Sometimes I just feel like I get shredded and I understand the gimmick involves that but

[languid fjord]

If you are just looking to survive as long as possible in fights go build up, giant slayer, defense step for cards and make sure to max skill 2, in fights usually start off with skill 2 and then use skill 1 to get close or do more damage, if you land skill 2 first your gamma 2 will have a better chance of not instadying when using skill 1 and then you just pop skill 2 again into whatever else you want to do

[vocal dawn]

Ok, to reword I know the basics

Like their build

What to max first

I go s2 s3 ult s1

[vocal dawn]

They don’t do much dmg

Unless I’m tweaking

[languid fjord]

Yeah no skill 1 after the nerf is literally so weak I just use it for mobility most of the time and to get more armor in ult

Your damage comes from skill 2 in ult and rarely skill 3

[vocal dawn]

I thought their s3 does a lot tbh

Does a lot against bosses especially with ult

[languid fjord]

But at least skill 3 does something if you land it up close

[vocal dawn]

Wk boost doing like half a boss health bar

Nappa

Roshi

Etc

[languid fjord]

Yes this is the route btw

[vocal dawn]

Figured

Usually go bot lane

I think they’re pretty good against god vegeta

Just not whatsoever good against godku

[vocal dawn]

You think pursuer might help their chasing power

[languid fjord]

Yeah that's about every brawler

[vocal dawn]

I don’t believe defense step is as good on them

Just because how low their health is

[languid fjord]

No defense step is just too big of a value gain for brawler cheaters

Characters

Not like pursuer would be bad on them but you don't get much payoff

[thorn goblet]

So how much of a nerf is losing S2 cooldown for these guys?

[hard imp]

D tier character

[languid fjord]

No because skill 1 DMG boost might just be enough to make s1 somewhat good

I always didn't like s2 reduction on gammas it didn't change them much in most scenarios even if the potential for them to be insane on it was there

And don't forget they did get s2 reduction nerf with the divine draw patchnote change

So I'd say this is better tradeoff for them

[drifting light]

do we know if gammas are getting buffs next season? character feels kinda weak rn

[languid fjord]

We don't know but I feel that they deserve a change on s1, in base and ult I dunno why they put all stock into their skill 2 even in ult

[vocal dawn]

S1 needs less delay

S3 needs a slight dmg boost

S2 I think is fine

Above all else gamma 2 needs more health

Ult is fine as is

Could maybe give them a regen effect in ult tho

That would be nice

[drifting light]

so update

they got nerfed?

what warranted this bruh

no buffs at all

[languid fjord]

the nerf is basically just toshi giving gamma mains a middle finger cause it did nothing but still why did the aoe circle of a explosion that does nothing now get changed

[vocal dawn]

Was a nerf as a joke

Did literally nothing

[hard imp]

anything but cell buffs 😭

[rugged charm]

Are they viable, though?

[vocal dawn]

Somewhat

[obtuse cape]

I think they are a 50/50

[languid fjord]

Gammas are viable if your other dps is a ssj3/daima/godku cause then you won't lose every boss

[vocal dawn]

Overall i won’t lie

They’re worse now then season 4

Wouldn’t say a single divine draw right now really suits them

Their s1 is mid

Healing attack is ok?

[drifting light]

no gamma changes again 💔

maybe the bulma patch will save us all

[languid fjord]

THE DEMONS THE DEMONS

[distant locust]

Legitimate question for gamma mains and understand that this is coming from a toppo and first form frieza main,so I am not trying to insult you.

Why are you playing this character?

What is it that they have which other characters don't?

[vocal dawn]

They’re just fun lol

Simple as that

Very unique design

I enjoy them but stop playing them as much

@languid fjord is a top ten global gammas

Same thing

[distant locust]

Their s1 is just doing what a beam from frieza or any sort of sniping move would do with more risk

Their s3 feels very finicky, Their ult doesnt stun anymore and,core breaker requires a lot of setup. Their s2 is good but what do you guys see in this character now that they lost a lot of their tools?

[languid fjord]

becoming a situational raidboss for 10 seconds is fun, once in sometimes

[vocal dawn]

Their s1 isn’t considered good

Just s2 s3

S2 pretty much his best move in team fights

S3 dmg is good but you need to hit a lot

[distant locust]

How do you even use the s3?

Is it like a shotgun where you need to be up close?

[languid fjord]

yea

[vocal dawn]

Precisely yeah

Does really good dmg during ult

[distant locust]

Ive been trying to play the entire cast,and aside from hit (who is a complete skill issue on my end) and the gammas ive been able to have fun

I just don't see the appeal in the character anymore outside of the resource management of the two gammas. But gamma 1 just exists for gamma 2 to not completely die.

Maybe ill try them again,what cards do i use?

[vocal dawn]

Well they’re not that good right now

So there’s that

Best build is build up giant slayer defense step

[languid fjord]

you'd want to run build up giant slayer (maybe prepare to die didn't test it) and defense step but take it from me to not use them

[vocal dawn]

Or prepare to die over giant slayer

[distant locust]

I mean,a lot of people rank toppo lower than the gammas and I love playing toppo whenever I can

[vocal dawn]

Toppo just got buffed

So actually gammas probably worse

Gammas probably

Top 5 worst characters

[distant locust]

Even post buff abe thinks toppo is worse. And yes, abe is not a god,but still.

Also like I said,I main first form frieza who seems to be the most hated dev character rn

[languid fjord]

even if they're better than toppo they're about there on his level

they're just bottom dps no sugarcoating, but idk about fun for people who haven't used them much

again I enjoy them cause of the moments where you pop ult and feel like god but even then I feel like I just think of those s2 days where you were ACTUALLY god and not lowtiergod like now

no stun only faulty I frames that you can just predict anyway man, more of a neon sign to aim your stun at them than anything intimidating

honestly if I were to buff them I'd just give them no obstruction to them in ult like who cares at this point they won't become upper S/Z cause of that

[distant locust]

If i were to buff them id buff the s1 tbh. Rn gamma 1 and 2 feel lopsided

[languid fjord]

yeah obviously s1 is very bad and needs a buff

[hard imp]

gammas are for sure not bottom 5

that spot is held for 18, broly, first form, cell and zamasu

[languid fjord]

yeah bro not bottom 5 instead bottom 6 or 7

[vocal dawn]

Was referring to dps

Makes no sense to bundle tank tech and dps together

All different roles

So they're bottom 5 dps

[jovial gazelle]

Y'all not having glitches with gammas?

Ult then s2 snipes the boss ngl

[drifting light]

as other people said what I really like abt this character is the uniqueness of the playstyle and the resource management if done well it's rewarded heavily (well about as heavy as you can allow a low tier) in your team fight survivability super fun I just wish they weren't so bad rn

[jovial gazelle]

They're so good at tanking damage

S3 needs buff tbh

[drifting light]

@languid fjord any tips on making these guys work in higher elo? I dropped them for now bc I just felt like I was getting character diffed on most matchups and interactions idk what you're doing to mitigate the difference and if it's any different from me

[drifting light]

damn near the whole character needs a buff outside s2

[languid fjord]

Funny, because I also dropped them a couple days ago for trunks after I got S rank dps and I'm having a blast

But uh as far as making a difference goes I can say that running prepare to die instead of giant slayer is probably better now

And you know on s1 reduction I'd go as far as to say you go solid barrier

Ssj3 and godku are just too oppressive

If you want damage in exchange in that situation go snowball or sum I really don't know

[drifting light]

I don't even think that's crazy to say that

[languid fjord]

As for how to play them I mean, they're legit just toppo/broly with a core breaker

You can't do much on boss except pray u get lucky

[jovial gazelle]

You could avoid that with s1, that is faster than the vanishing step

[languid fjord]

Or try to target someone early on at boss

But the dmg is not there

S1 is just bad and instead of it helping on killing you just use it to run and most of the time fail to run away

[languid fjord]

Not really, if ur too deep in kame is gonna shred you in time anyway

[drifting light]

what's the skill upgrade order? bc I played so long ago I'm not entirely sure and does it change at all with s1 dmg up

[languid fjord]

@drifting light I'll tell you what ur best bet to get a good head start with gammas is to get lvl 5 for second Kai and then do sum crazyness with elder Kai, catch them lacking maybe

[languid fjord]

It didn't change at all with s1 boost s1 is just that bad, you just go s2 s1 s3 ult, s2 s3 s2 s3 then 2 points into ult

[drifting light]

oh is elder Kai best helper on them? I was running nail for the extra dps on rush

[languid fjord]

Yeah you absolutely want elder Kai

[jovial gazelle]

Well if you are surrounded by walls ofc you will die but if not you could just use s 1 to dodge, I use s1 mostly for these stuff or finishing an opponent

[languid fjord]

Just make sure u stay in that circle for the cooldowns

[drifting light]

I'll have to try him out fs I never really thought about it since I normally have ult for whatever interaction I need since the cd is so low

[languid fjord]

Again against ranged DPS it won't really help, much, if ur specifically targeting them but if it's a team fight and u pop ult and elder Kai you can spam skills on like the tank of the team for that armor faster so you maybe don't get shredded in seconds

Just remember to not fumble core breaker dmg change without Satan buff

It does like a quarter of ribrianne hp if I can remember correctly without Satan

Maybe more with prepare to die

Probably

[drifting light]

what's the damage change? like I said haven't played in ages js now getting back into the game I just know that it doesn't really hit as hard as it used to

[languid fjord]

I just meant as in

If ur using elder Kai ofc it won't hit as hard if ur not using Satan

[drifting light]

oh ok mb lol

[languid fjord]

You just gotta experiment and see the damage limit of it that's all

[drifting light]

appreciate the pointers imma try them out again later today

been a minute

[languid fjord]

Wish you luck

[vocal dawn]

Just don’t lane ss3 or godku not worth it

Try and lane characters like vegito broly toppo daima kid goku