Hit

[somber tinsel]

unless the last enemy standing is dumb and they tried to kill alone

[upbeat glacier]

ok so then you are prio killingthem and farming lol

[reef dagger]

Listen, this argument should pretty much be void, he's complaining about players not the character hit

You will always have bad players in your game, nothing that can be done about that

[upbeat glacier]

ye

[somber tinsel]

yeah and I'm talking about those who only goes for the kill, if they use a DPS character for that, that would be reasonable

damage characters was built only for that

[reef dagger]

Exactly player not character, this is a discussion about the character not the player

[somber tinsel]

to chase down players and kill bosses straightly

and for tank and tech, they can focus less on killing enemies to give more attention to gods of destruction

since there's 2 DPS in your team, they can handle the enemies by themselves

it's a objective trade in the team

2 damage characters to kill everything while tank and tech kill but takes advantage of the enemy's defense too, destroying the gods and assisting teammates to kill other players and bosses

[somber tinsel]

but that's the point, there are players here trying to explain why is better to do what they do instead of doing strategies in game

using the character we are talking about

which he wasn't made specially for that only

summing up, using Hit as a DPS which is controversial

[upbeat glacier]

but it is better to kill people than mindlessly running at the tower

its better to win and better for the team

[reef dagger]

Yeah especially right before boss fights. I love getting a nice lil double kill right before the boss spawns. Makes killing the boss all the more easier

[somber tinsel]

.

I didn't say anywhere that Hit must focus only on attacking towers

I said that leave the DPS do their jobs, and while you kill and help them to kill too, they will leave you and tank to damage the towers more than they will by themselves

everyone must do everything, but damage characters must focus more on killing than doing the other things

while tech must kill too, but damage the towers too since 2 DPS are busy killing

[somber tinsel]

.

it doesn't matter what you focus only, it's still a dumb way to play the game

kill only won't make you win, nor focusing only on gods nor bosses

[upbeat glacier]

what are you even arguing for or against bro

[somber tinsel]

everyone do everything

[upbeat glacier]

yeah but you cant just focus on towers lol

you just play the game

[somber tinsel]

didn't you say that "is better to kill people than mindlessly running at the tower"?

[reef dagger]

Dude i don't even know anymore, it's all over the place. Like he's talking about having a clear objective in a game but because hit is so versatile there is no clear cut objective

[upbeat glacier]

yes, because you cant mindlessly run at the tower lol

[somber tinsel]

bro you must be ragebaiting, you can't be that serious

[upbeat glacier]

idk you seem to be argueing by yourself bro

[somber tinsel]

I'll make it simpler again

[upbeat glacier]

yeah make it simpler so you can understand 😂

[reef dagger]

Killing people makes taking gods and bosses easier, therefore you kill people

if i can help my teamate get a snowball stack, i will kill with pleasure. If i make a nappa fight into a 3v2 then i will solo ult the top lane with pleasure eventually killing one or both of them

[somber tinsel]

you and daniel: focus only to kill people as Hit is the best way, it doesn't matter the towers nor the bosses

[upbeat glacier]

bro i do everything lol but the best is to beat people mechanically

you cant just bot the tower

[reef dagger]

No, bosses and towers are important too. You have to kill people at just the right time

[somber tinsel]

what I'm saying: Hit can't just focus on killing only, you have to kill bosses and take out the towers

not only kill

[upbeat glacier]

you can say the same about every character and role lol

[somber tinsel]

then why are you implying that I said it's better to focus only on towers after I said that we have to do everything not only one thing?

[upbeat glacier]

lol

[reef dagger]

Not unless you're bardock and you just rush straight to the gods

[somber tinsel]

now it's about time? okay 👍

[upbeat glacier]

idk man you guys seem to be strugglering on hit and having mental gymnastics lol

@reef dagger what build do you run usually broski

[reef dagger]

yo fr! i just wanted to defend the hit is countered hard by aoe character allegations and then it became a "what's the best strat for playing hit" argument 😭

[upbeat glacier]

lol

[reef dagger]

Snowball, barrier, and double vanish. Tho sometimes i swap the barrier for giant slayer if i'm feeling cracked out of my mind

[somber tinsel]

then the roles are useless and works for nothing, nice thinking bro! 😂

hell yeah

[reef dagger]

Wbu? @upbeat glacier

[upbeat glacier]

idk man i do work on hit lol

[somber tinsel]

I'll just play as Hit as a DPS for now

[upbeat glacier]

usually snowball/strat escape, prepare to die then backstab

dont worry bro one day youll get good enough to play hit

[somber tinsel]

for tank and dps, I'll be guarding towers

this man is a SS rank tier, look out boys

he knows what he says

[upbeat glacier]

bro this game is tiny and is nothing compared to other games ive played

[reef dagger]

Do you play up close against aoe characters on backstab? Cuz i've tried running backstab but i feel like i'm too aggresive and need my double vanish for the escape, otherwise i get cooked alive by aoe

[upbeat glacier]

but it is just a get good moment

i see people crying about other chars in other discussions

"they are weak"

lol

[upbeat glacier]

vanish gives immunity man

i think backstab is better for killing people

you s3 s1 s2 and its up in 2 seconds

[reef dagger]

No yeah, i've tried it before but i think i play waaaaaay too aggressive to utilize backstab well. Like i like to just pop in on keflas with s1 era and dip out immediately after

[upbeat glacier]

just practice bro really

no one really touches me

[reef dagger]

Just to scare em and mark them so they can't wipe my team 😭

[reef dagger]

Hmmmm 🤔, i'll try it out some more today then

[upbeat glacier]

ye buddy

[reef dagger]

I've tried it out and i'm sold, i like backstab way more than double vanish lol

I just never run out of abilities and its just so easy to kill people now

Btw, i think i can safely say that keflas are actually like easy kills for me, like i be bullying them like crazy every game

The only aoe character i feel is hardest to deal with is boujack camping in his god

Besides him, everyone else is pretty easy to kill, ppl like broly, keflas, and sometime vegitos too

[weary light]

Lmao you cannot even get close to Vegito

[reef dagger]

Nah, if you find vegito away from mobs alone like after farming and heading back to protect the god you can start an s1 s2 combo and immediately dash away to let him use his AoE and then re-engage cuz you’ll have s2 available with backstab

And then just s2 near a cloud/bush so that you can get era and then dash away again.

And then just go another round of s1 and 2 and he should be either dead or 1 hp taking him out of the fight

[upbeat glacier]

people try engage on vegitos while not invis iguess lol

[upbeat glacier]

been telling people lol

[warm seal]

Yo, what skills do you max first?

[upbeat glacier]

1, get 2 points in all skills first, ult is last

if you go damage

[frosty anvil]

Personally I prefer to lvl s3 (dimensional infiltration) to max because the just having the extra bit of invis can allow you to be more patient and allow for a better ambush

[rugged elk]

Guys, what are the best cards for solo Q ?

Im having problems to carry

With snowball works fine but hit turrets Is really hard

I don't have enough dmg to that

Im using 2 builds

One with snowball and the other with the one to destroy turrets

Depending on the enemies I go dmg to low hp enemies or scape

And third card Is obvious

[upbeat glacier]

Snowball/strat escape, prepare to die, backstab for fighting hit

Strat escape, solid barrier, limit breaking jump for tower hit

[upbeat glacier]

Should be in a bush or time your invis better

[rugged elk]

I got rank A before reading this, but Is what im using mostly, the escape strat changes a bit because I like to have the three blue cards and Im mixing usually with prepare to die sometimes and backstab to put more preasure and be able to fight and splitpush

barrier is a smart choice to evade burst and make you able to escape, but Im not sure if it is the best option in this meta

I'll test it, but it should be very usefull against most of the instant damage characters

[frosty anvil]

Bushes can be destroyed and being able to go invis for longer in teamfight can go a long way to avoid detection.

Not to mention you get longer tp range at the start so you can dodge or catch up easier

[tepid fox]

Is the stealth rush attack bugged? I can't seem to hit necks when stealth or in Dimensional Infiltration.

[upbeat glacier]

obviously late game you have max 3 or 2 points at least

but you need to max 1 to do any kind of dmg

you dont need your 3 to be invisible for longer you need your 3 to start your fear of damage passive

[eager drum]

does anyone know the best oprder to get hits abilities. i'm a nw hit and need some help

[slow fractal]

Skill 1 > Skill 3 > skill 2 > Ult if your hungry for kills otherwise Skill 3 > Skill 1 > Skill 3 > Skill 2 > Skill 2 then finish out ult

[shell root]

am i tripping or does Hit’s stealth rush do multiple hits now

[slow fractal]

Go into training mode and make a clip you can check the damage numbers

[upbeat glacier]

no reason to ever upgrade ult as the range is massive

[ionic scarab]

Me who got in this chat Cuz im tired of getting killed by Hits trying to find a weakness lmao

[frosty anvil]

Equip shu and play kid/ult gohan defensively when theres a boss and aggressively if no one but hit is on towers (hit is a terrible defender) save your shu placements for towers/bosses (go to boss place shu then go back to defending)

Also stay away from bushes or just destroy them early game. Late game you can easily just destroy them or attack from a safe distance

If youre playing a dps with decent aoe just spam it at your feet and retreat and you should be good. For tanks most tanks have great aoe so hjt isnt rlly a problems. Hes weakest against a baby

Also if you equip that fat yellow dude as an assist as dps on tower hit cant attack the god

[ionic scarab]

Wait the bushes are destroyable?

Damn i didnt know

[slow fractal]

just destroy the wall it's near and it should disappear

[shell root]

i looked at some old gameplay and apparently it does multi hit, just never noticed

[cunning nova]

not sure if any of you hit mains have realized this but if your skill 3 is maxed. you can stay invisible forever aslong as you dont get hit. meaning if youre alone and have the dragon ball shell infront of you aswell as the entire enemy team, you can stay invisible, use your skill 1 on the dragon ball shell, reuse skill 3, rinse and repeat until the shell is broken and grab the dragon ball WHILE invisible. Works 90% of the time

[undone vessel]

Woah really?

[cunning nova]

yeah

just be sure to move away from where you previously attacked because if they have more than a single thought in their brain, theyll shoot in the area you skilled from

[scarlet gorge]

Busted asf hero

[calm needle]

LMAO. Oh man, I should feel bad after that Hit game, but I just don't. Hit with that giant ball divine draw is literal comedy

[calm needle]

Wait, fr?

[calm needle]

Yeah, it's not "forever" it's just a much longer time.

[somber tinsel]

it is forever

at level max you can use s3 again and keep invisible

[calm needle]

It just literally ran out during my last game and I wasn't touched at the time

[somber tinsel]

it's not literally forever, but technically forever because the skill have a cooldown like any other else

but the fact is that 0.5 milliseconds before the cooldown ends, you can use s3 again

in other words, you can use s3 right before the invisible effect ends, you can try it by yourself

[calm needle]

I mean, you did say forever

[cunning nova]

i was able to stay invisible forever, you just have to time it

unless theyve tinkered with the cooldowns in the new patch

[calm needle]

Hit mains, I haven't tried, but would it actually be worth starting with S3 and S2 to help your lane partner with some early easy stuns?

[rich prism]

Works but sk3 & sk1 always gurantees that first attk

[slow fractal]

No the beam and stealth are just better starting the fight

[calm needle]

Oh damn, the beam and steal. I've been starting beam and stun

Good to know

[somber tinsel]

s1 also decreases s3's cooldown, so it is better if you use s3 and keep shooting em plus normal attack while invisible to inflict double damage at once

you can basically spam attacks with this method in a shorter time better than s1 + s2

[latent bolt]

both hits skills decrease s3 cooldown, so does rush attack

[orchid owl]

How we feeling about the random Hit nerf? Personally I don't think it makes any sense, but it's still not the right thing he needed a nerf on. Granted he was able to cheese the S2 divine draw with it, but it's like Buu or Gammas got any nerfs for how easily they can abuse it. They refuse to nerf his perma-invis which is weird to me, but then nerf an unrelated, relatively balanced move based on an RNG divine draw.

If anything this is just gonna make his ability to fight worse due to the amount of energy AOE attacks that will knock him out of stealth before the enemy even gets stunned. And this nerf won't make him stun less it literally is just a range change, so in the best case scenario he can still speak it in S2 divine draw 😭. I'm beginning to think the devs don't play their own game.

[orchid owl]

Oh one more thing I should mention is that this now makes Hit unable to stun without using S3 first. So this breaks his general gameplan as well 🙃

[somber tinsel]

obviously

[slate inlet]

??????? wtf is this nerf

they should have just touched S2 CDs during that divine draw or something

why did they do this

pain

[outer prairie]

Lol they nerfed him

[proud citrus]

😔

[outer prairie]

Unfortunate

[proud citrus]

He was my main tech

[quartz orbit]

Yay

[outer prairie]

Was? He should still be

[proud citrus]

Ik ima still use him

But I hate his nerf

[somber tinsel]

he got nerfed due to the amount of crybabies complaining about being killed from a Hit player

imo Hit is a balanced character, he doesn't need any new buff or nerf

if he was broken, he could destroy 85% of the matches without that much difficulty

[outer prairie]

He’s only good in solo fights and supporting team fights

And ratting

[somber tinsel]

Hit is not even a good character for new players, he's kinda hard to deal with and understand his mechanics

I actually had a hard time to fully understand how to play and create strategies for him

[somber tinsel]

it depends of the player, not the character

as I said, Hit is not an easy character to play as

Hit will be insane if you know how to play well with him and know how to use his skills correctly at the right time and moment

even more if you know what cards makes him better

look at SS Vegeta: the random divine cards that the game automatically gives you fits him well, almost likely any cards fits him

he's resistent, has easy skills and gameplay

you just have to attack, literally

[timid root]

As a hit main that can play him perfectly that was one of the worst nerf he could ever get his stuns damage chasing and combo potential all got lowered with this one bs anyway most hit players are sooo bad and useless like why nerfing hit so bad when 90% of the players are useless with this character 😂 he needed other nerfs like ult or idk not this crap he is still the goat for me but yeah unnecessary nerf

[outer prairie]

I play hit a lot, I mainly use him for ratting

[slow fractal]

It's clear you guys have not seen the abe clip where he literally stun locked and killed a zamasu who literally couldn't do anything he went from full ho to zero with the gekishin card so no damage cards.
I literally did the same thing a few hours after that clip it was insanely easy to do.

[timid root]

Tbh that zamasu was not even a real player most likely a bot

And he played on low ranks

Like thats no reason he needed this skill 2 nerf😂

[keen mist]

I am learning to play hit

Any tips you guys can give

I am currently going escape> barrier > backstab

Since i am not good so offensive card are not for me now

[slate inlet]

but like that's like an issue with the divine draw

not hit himself

he outright has to use S3 or a bush now for S2 stun compared to before where you could do stuff like

S3 > S1 > rush > move away S2

or just anything that involves using S2 outside of their view while they have FoD

this messes with FoD damage consistency too due to this

it just seems unnecessary to mess up an entire character's kit because 1 divine draw was broken

[somber tinsel]

the game literally says that the character difficulty is all 5 stars, these players might didn't even play a lot as Hit before

[somber tinsel]

he's good for a lot of things if you know how to play him well, and I mean by playing a lot, not by just attacking enemies out of nowhere without any game sense

the only thing that he's not good enough is to guard towers, he need to be invisible to hit and inflict more damage, but while that, the enemy can hit the tower

[somber tinsel]

Gekishin card? isn't that for increasing damage on towers?

but anyway, the issue is still not the character, that would be the divine card itself

[slate inlet]

I think his point was he wasn't running a red card or something

[somber tinsel]

oh I get it

[slate inlet]

so like unlike normal where a red card would help with the damage he could just run gekishin high and still kill a tank on his own solo

[slate inlet]

I'm hoping they either revert it later on or give buffs to compensate later

this really feels like more of a emergency patch

than a actual intended nerf

[somber tinsel]

if it was SS Vegeta or Bardock with that defense card to 15 stacks, that would be reasonable

two of Zamasu's attacks isn't even AoE

his main hp is low, without the regen gauge, he can easily be killed like a normal Kai

[slate inlet]

I'm just gonna assume the S2 stun thing was like

near infinite with no actual counterplay

like ur actually stuck there or something cause backstab

[somber tinsel]

Zamasu slowly regenerates himself, too

[somber tinsel]

they ruined the character fr

[somber tinsel]

one said that he was playing in low rank

definitely Zamasu didn't attack back

[somber tinsel]

yeah I found that very broken

bro can keep spamming s2 a lot

and it's a perfect shot

it stuns and inflict more damage

[slow fractal]

it doesn't matter if they have AoE stuns directly cancel the skill and put it on cooldown it doesn't even matter if you get hit it had a 2s cooldown that can directly remove your ability to fight back

[somber tinsel]

you talking about s2 with divine draw cooldown reduction or not?

because yeah, that's really broken

Hit can spam and stun almost every time constantly

[slow fractal]

yes before the divine draw hit was balanced around the average cooldown of his 2 skills that allowed him to loop his skills on a single enemy but gave them a chance to fight back

[somber tinsel]

yeah I agree

well, this nerf is more unreasonable than I thought, then

[slow fractal]

~~i am pretty sure you can still do it btw haven't tried it today but i am almost certain you can ~~ yeah this nerf is truly sad for all hits

[slow fractal]

okay i just tried it and that range decrease is gross but it's def possible

[reef sigil]

The devs created a stupid divine draw and then nerfed a character that benefits from it even when the character is ok with every other draw

Nice Logic

Cases like this show that they dont put any thougts in the new divine draws to see how they interact with the pre-existing characters

[slow fractal]

kefla is untouched btw

[slim surge]

I know Hit can be annoying, but he certainly didn’t deserve this nerf, holy moly.

[reef sigil]

Its an indirect Kefla buff because now hit cant counter her as efficiently

[somber tinsel]

or at least they do, but very poorly

but yeah, that's what a company does: implement new ideas without taking everything into account nor consequences

they're in a hurry of making people want to play the game more and keep playing, the game clearly had a decrease in the amount of players in real time due to these new updates, bugs and contents

thinking of something new fast, trying to hit the target

[finite zodiac]

Fr

[undone vessel]

NGL all this is doing is making hit resort to his most hated playstyle

[woeful glacier]

I don't know man, at high A to S rank basically every Hit I run into knew how to stagger loop me, the skill varied but whether it was early game with super start or late he's probably the scariest Technical for me personally to deal with if the guy playing him is decent.

Can't speak on whether it was the best change moving forward though, super start in general can make some characters obnoxious.

My question to Hit mains, what would y'all consider to be a 'fair' balance adjustment to him over the skill 2 range nerf?

[outer prairie]

Give the skill 2 range back (5.5 or sum) and nerf skill 3

[woeful glacier]

🤔 So giving the skill 2 the range back but nerfing the skill 3 would still reward you for landing staggers but would force you to maybe try and get some/more skills off from cover as opposed to looping skill 3 and just getting to maintain his loop?

[outer prairie]

Yeah

[woeful glacier]

Valid.

It's so funny because you look at Ulthan's rebalance and I'd say they overall understood the assignment with that guy.

and then you look at hit and, i'm not the hit's number one fan, but this is the opposite of a skill expression nerf.

[somber tinsel]

just return to his latest version

the character is hard to dominate, he's not broken

[finite zodiac]

#✨game-moments message
hits range now

[frosty anvil]

I already thought the nerf was detrimental but now that im experiencing it first hand…. Yeah your just forced to play hit as a rat now making the problem 1000x worse not solving it

[thick hemlock]

so is hit harder to play now after the nerf?

[frosty anvil]

Yeah bcuz you cant combo anymore so you are just forced to wait and rat…the main thing ppl were complaining about

You NEED a bush to combo now

[thick hemlock]

is his skill prio still skill 3 > skill 1> and super? havent used hit since season 3

[sleek niche]

i just feel like there r other characters that they could randomly nerf INSTEAD of hit

[timid root]

Right now in a to s rank lobbys most hits i see were like really bad never having 5 snowballs never doing kills or making ppl low or taking every tower rarely i see like reallyyy good hit last season the same in s rank Lobbys most hits are trash but yeah a good nerf would have been nerfing the ult or nerfing his cooldowns lot of ppl hate his 3 skill but i dont know most ppl i see playing hit rarely do like really great stuff with him or dont support no one in group fights so i dont see a need to nerf skill 3 and yeah i think they shouldve never buffed him after season 1 he didnt need no buff

[frosty anvil]

i wish i could post videos here bcuz i have a PERFECT example of how bad the hit nerf is

Its on game moments rn

You might have to search for it tho

[timid root]

Yeah with the nerf it takes longer to wipe teams and secure kills

He is still extremely strong

[frosty anvil]

Yeah but the MAIN reason i loved playing hit was the combos

Its just that I lost all will to play him

[timid root]

Yeah the combos and kills are statisfying now the feeling is not the same

[severe venture]

Just tried a few games after not playing for a long time and it's crazy how horribble Hit has become as well as the game

[somber tinsel]

i dont even want to try it out, they ruined one of the most funniest character to play as in this game

[teal fog]

dw bro its only till the end of the season

theyre only due to the divine draw and while they affect hit somewhat theyre not THAT crazy, because i usually stun off of S3

still they made hit weird to play

[orchid owl]

The only actual Hit nerf that was 100% necessary was a nerf to perma-invis. At least force him to wait 2-3 seconds to use invis again. Either that or lower the stun duration of S2 slightly, like they did with SSJ4 Vegeta's S2.

[slate inlet]

aren't we like barely a third into the season tho...

pain

[upbeat glacier]

No its troll you will never kill anyone

[calm needle]

I mean, post nerf, sure.

[upbeat glacier]

Prenerf too

How are you going to do anything at level 1 not proccing your passive on people?

If you played hit you would understand this

Just lose lane for what? Lol

[neat gull]

just started playing hit what moves should i start lvling up first?

[somber tinsel]

all of them except ult

[slate inlet]

might be mainly preference but I do S1 > S3 > S2

but yeah don't level ult

S2 level 2 is prob preference idrk

[neat gull]

got it thanks

[slate inlet]

Np

[reef dagger]

Is there any way to permanently remove the hud from going dark everytime i'm invis? It keeps bugging out on me and confusing me cuz i can't tell if i'm invis or not

At this point its better to just remove the entire thing

[maiden mantle]

What cards should i use for this guy

[slow fractal]

solid barrier and backstab is the only cards you always use on hit first slot depends on if your ratting then gekishin high if you want to help kill enemies then snowball

[maiden mantle]

What’s his best helper?

[slow fractal]

lol

[maiden mantle]

Best super start s3?

[slow fractal]

uuh deathblow

[reef dagger]

Imo, Shu

For counter hit play and for scouting

[frosty anvil]

WE yes WE are all copping the suit for hit

[white hamlet]

How do u get the suit for hit?

[white hamlet]

never mind, bots can use it i heard

[quartz orbit]

The suit made want to play Hit
Gentlemen what build do you use for him
Snowball and blues?

[rich prism]

I use strat escape barrier & backstab/2x vanish

[slow fractal]

Snowball/gekishin high, solid barrier and backstab the first 2 are interchangeable but you never take off the last 2 cards

[quartz orbit]

Thanks for the guides gentlemen

[finite zodiac]

LOL

hes so bad now

[white hamlet]

Every one has his own opinion

[somber tinsel]

I am still winning with him

he's still playable tho but weaker, unfortunately

[white hamlet]

I like his unique gameplay

[somber tinsel]

me too

[white hamlet]

Others are mostly straight attack no mind needed

[somber tinsel]

except Frieza

[white hamlet]

Reason why I said mostly

There are no bad character, only bad players

[ionic scarab]

Thats what i always say fr

there is no bad characters

Theres the ones u know how to play with and the ones u dont

[safe pasture]

I must say, Hit does require skills. However, he has slightly become weaker with reason debuff to his range on Vital Point.

The point of Hit is to attack from the shadows. But, with Vital points range nerfed, it becomes way more risky to land that move due to how close you need to get. Resulting in your hit box getting hit by the opponent attack without their intention to hit you. What they should have done is reduce range on lvl 1 and 2. And keep the range on 3. Since on 2, you get Shockwave. So on level 3, you would get range.

[somber tinsel]

the worst thing I found for Hit was that damn vision nerf

enemies vision after hitting while invisible isn't too closed anymore

it makes Hit almost useless

because, if the vision range is higher now, what's the point for Hit being invisible then?

[safe pasture]

Yeah, if they buff the vision debuff. It would justify the nerf to his Vital point range. But, Hit is still strong. Just much much much more difficult to use. Making it a character only a limited amout of people can use perfeclty

[somber tinsel]

soon as he gets out of his inv effect or grass, he will be visible anyways

[somber tinsel]

yeah

but I thought he would be unplayable after that nerf fr

but I'm still winning a lot with him tho

that's bizarre for me

[safe pasture]

Not unplayable. Very difficult to play, yes

[somber tinsel]

because he's so weak now compared to his last version

[somber tinsel]

for new players, yes

not so difficult for me

[safe pasture]

But I still enjoy Hit. I am tired of super overpowered character that requiers no skills. Just point and shoot and they die

[somber tinsel]

the only difference is that I will have to hide more and keep such distance from enemies

[safe pasture]

What will always help with Hit, to make him strong. Is always run backstab

[somber tinsel]

he's a very interesting playable character, man

his gameplay is the best one, for me

[safe pasture]

Since landing a stack of fear of death decreases the CD on s3. Using backstab together with it, makes it come back instantly

[somber tinsel]

no doubt devs will ruin that divine card fr

[safe pasture]

Nah, they will just nerf the character it effect. Look what they did to Hit when they dropped the divine draw S2 CD boost

[somber tinsel]

he's a hard character to dominate, not a boss

[somber tinsel]

yeah

[somber tinsel]

I hope so, but it's like what I said

I have no doubt about that

they will find out

[safe pasture]

Nah, you should not have hope they nerf a character because of a divine draw or divine card. That type of mindset will ruin the game in the long run. Because those things can change globably for everyone if you nerf cards or remove a divine draw. Then comes the question, will they revert the nerf they did when they remove the divine draw or nerf a card?

[somber tinsel]

wdym? a character being nerfed is inevitable bro, it's better to expect a character to be nerfed rather than a card

that's what I am saying

because backstab helps Hit a lot

and it's not by a "mindset" that will break the game or such, this doesn't make any sense

the devs themselves are unpredictable

so you better not dream that a specific card will never be touched

[white hamlet]

Can’t wait for ult cooldown divine draw

[safe pasture]

I am not saying a card will never be touched. What I mean is, if you nerf a character because of a card or specific modifyer that is random. Then the game will start collapsing. You should nerf a character after what their base kit bring to the table UNAFFECTED by divine draw or divine cards. Hit's S2 got nerfed because of the Divine Draw S2 CD boost combined with backstab. Yet, we still have a bunch of characters that abusses the S2 CD boost divine draw like GVegeta, GGoku, Bardock, Kefla, Dabura, Krillen, etc.

If the S2 CD boost is making so many characters so strong with their S2 skill. Perhaps it would be better to nerf the divine draw and maybe apply that the CD Boost apply once in a while.

[white hamlet]

Would a free for all gamemode be nice? Like a mode where everyone can play any role at the same time

[somber tinsel]

that would be crazy, in a good sense

[safe pasture]

Chaotic, but fun.

But, at least give everyone the same amount of health sort of

[somber tinsel]

what the game should be or should do is not of my concern, but for the devs

it's pointless to keep complaining about that for me

[white hamlet]

No change of topic

Focus on the chaos

[somber tinsel]

unfortunately we won't know what they will do, but surely they will even change something that doesn't have anything to do

[reef dagger]

Am i the only hit that absolutely hates cloud takeover?

Like its a stupid divine draw that should've been removed instead of the more clouds one

[safe pasture]

I think the hammer is worse. If you accidentally pick up a hammer, you won't due the special rush attack when in stealth

[reef dagger]

The hammer sucks for other reasons, that is one of the smaller reasons...

[safe pasture]

Oh yeah, hammer suck in general. But if you playing Hit, it sucks even more, since you can't do the stealth hit

[rocky falcon]

Yeah on hammers you generally change plan and just get hammer and hit tower

That's abt it

And hit you should not even use it tbh in it

[safe pasture]

Yet, there is those accidentally when you try to move around or run away and you ACCIDENTALLY run into the hammer and pick it up

And even worse when you don't realize it

[somber tinsel]

same

that damn cloud just ruins my invisible effect

I gotta evade those clouds just so I can approach a god of destruction to destroy without being attacked first

[reef dagger]

I be doing the same thing, like if i'm trying to get away after ratting or sneaking up on someone it sucks that clouds are no longer an option for me because all they do is reveal my position

[rugged elk]

You sure about that ?

You tested It ?

I always had that question since the cloud

I think that if you are invisible even having a cloud in they can't see you

Unless Im playing with blind guys

[somber tinsel]

wdym?? the main point of Hit is being invisible

if you pick that cloud, they will see you anyways

they will not identify you at first, but they'll still see a walking cloud flying around them

you don't have to test anything to know about that

when you're almost dying, what you gonna do as Hit? take a cloud to run away?

with that divine draw, there will be a lot of clouds in the way, and to sneak through enemies you cannot be seen no matter what

so you do have to evade those clouds as Hit

[rugged elk]

You didn't answered my question

[somber tinsel]

that's a stupid question to answer

honestly

[rugged elk]

Ok

Then I play against blind players

[somber tinsel]

if you're below B4 rank, yeah you might be playin with bots

[rugged elk]

Im rank S...

[somber tinsel]

okay

that's why I said "if"

[rugged elk]

Ye, I know

[rugged elk]

Is faster than spamming the third abilitie ?

I mean flying

I think It is

No cloud needed

But just after being safe

That was a stupid question, but mental games with "Who Is in the cloud ?"

[somber tinsel]

well, if they are chasing you and there's a lot of clouds around, it's easier to use s3 to "blink" and be invisible so they won't see you where you are going

s3 works like vanish step, but better and invisible

so you'll make a distance between you and the enemies

while with a cloud, they may tp to you like 3ku's s2

[rugged elk]

You lose the cloud while using the s3 to ?

I don't remember

[somber tinsel]

I have tried before to make sure, and as I remember, I didn't lose that cloud of me

[rugged elk]

The dash makes you lose it

The cloud just make you invisible in the map

With hit Is a bit pointless

But the attack by being invisible Is so strong

[somber tinsel]

but it is pointless, Hit can already be invisible for himself

[rugged elk]

Depends a lot of the enemy character

[slow fractal]

you get a free stealth attack so it's really strong

[rugged elk]

You can use the cloud for that hit + dash and s1

[somber tinsel]

yeah I was just going to say that

that's a good point of it

[rugged elk]

And after that you still having 3 abilites to keep trying to scape

[somber tinsel]

but for running away and being invisible, it makes it harder

[rugged elk]

If I wear a cloud and I use s3, they know Im there ?

[somber tinsel]

they know

I was discovered a lot of times doing that

[rugged elk]

Ok

[somber tinsel]

like I said, they see a walking cloud and they will automatically attack to see who is it

most of the times when it's lefting 1 god to destroy, I wanted to sneak in and a lot of times that cloud ruined it

[rugged elk]

Ye, but you can use them for be faster and have 1 more hit to the god of destruction

Is just pointless when enemies can see you, then you start using s3

If you are In you could use cloud for a Max gekishin

Is a worst s3

But you are faster

The more I think about the cloud the most useless It is

Gekishin max machine and some mental games

[somber tinsel]

yeah another good thing of it

I did that last time

but anyway, I would prefer those clouds removed from the game

plus that medical machine

[reef dagger]

Actually, you usually do lose the cloud after using s3 but with ping, server lag, or dropping in frame rate you won’t in fact lose your cloud and will still be very much so visible for everyone around you

[reef dagger]

I’ve ran over invis hits with clouds so it counts in a way as a form of “testing.” When you have a cloud on while invis, ppl still see the cloud. If they run past you and remove their cloud, then the hit that was invis stays invis. So in a way it looks like it was a floating cloud with no one below it to control it’s motion

[somber tinsel]

I don't have any lag nor low frame rate and still sometimes that cloud doesn't get out of me after using s3

[reef dagger]

Then it’s server side, as in the game’s server themselves are lagging or just has issues

Cuz I’ve definitely played games where I invis out of the cloud using s3 and lose the enemies on my tail

And I’ve also seen hit’s on the other team lose the cloud after s3

[crimson schooner]

Is he weak

[reef dagger]

I'd say he's still really strong, but it depends on who's playing hit and how good the enemy team is at prioritizing hit

[crimson schooner]

How do I not suck

[spring acorn]

All survivability build and only go for tower

You’ll average 100k tower damage every lost

[slow fractal]

gekishin high, solid barrier, and limit breaking jump or backstab and always go for towers NEVER USE YOUR STEALTH MOVE ON TOWER and you will always get away if you use your brain

[safe pasture]

I normally go for Gekishin high, broly card and backstab. The broly card is mostly so I can do damage as well to help the team.

[slow fractal]

why would you ever do broly card when snowball or backstab is right there?

[safe pasture]

Because technically, I am meant to do damage to tower. If I happen to see someone half health, I can use my moves to finish them off. I question it too when I saw other people use it, so I try it and it's pretty solid.

[slow fractal]

broly card does nothing if they are lower then 50% bro

[safe pasture]

No no, it kicks in if they lower then 50%

Is giant slayer that does nothing if they lower then 80%

[safe pasture]

I even fact checked it just now and it say:
"When attack hits enemy hero with 50% or less total HP, boost damage to them by a small amount until battle ends. (Effect greatly boosted if target lasts at least 2 sec)

[slow fractal]

oooohh i forgot broly was for that card sorry

[safe pasture]

No worries, is easy to mix them up when both are related to how much HP the opponent has

[somber tinsel]

it's a nice divine card btw, it helps a lot

I use it with snowball and when enemies are below 50% of hp they die so fast with one hit or too

[safe pasture]

I mostly have it on since the DPS is supposed to do damage. I am just there to help finish the job

[somber tinsel]

it's even impressive of how massive damage Hit implies with that card

[somber tinsel]

mhm

[reef dagger]

Actually I go snowball giant slayer and backstab, so that I can get an s1 s2 combo on a dps and chip them down to half or even kill em in one go. It’s pretty good for early boss fights or when their dps is destroying my team

Which also, 4 or 5 snowball stacks and giant slayer, s1 s2 combo can get a godgeta down to half and if you’re next to a bush or just play it smart… you can actually kill godgeta 😅

Which i find really crazy

[rocky falcon]

I mean it works

I used to use him giant slayer but felt awkward bcs of skill 2 nerf range

It's much smaller and my invis is more risky bcs it can break more easily

That's why I opted for solid barrier atm

[somber tinsel]

I killed a godgeta a lot of times so quick and I can say that broly card does way better than giant slayer, it makes way more a lot of difference than that card

with snowball, broly card and backstab, godgeta will receive a lot of damage the more his hp goes down, which will optimize your time better than using giant slayer, it's faster

while using giant slayer, godgeta will receive some damage right in the start, like it says in 80% of hp

but when his hp gets lower than that, this card won't do anything more than that and while that, godgeta will recover is hp when his gauge is full, which will increase your time to kill him and make it more difficult for you

[reef dagger]

Actually i thought the way these cards worked was it gave a buff for a set amount of time but it only gets procced after landing a hit on an enemy based on what it says

So like giant slayer proccs after hitting an enemy with 80% hp or more and will continue to stay in effect for like 5 secs (not sure on the exact duration specifics)

And prepare to die is the same too, it proccs once an enemy has 50% hp or less

But I didn’t test this myself, I only heard someone else say this because they tested it themselves

[latent bolt]

it procs once you hit someone above 80% and lasts the entire duration of the fight

[somber tinsel]

yes

[somber tinsel]

and as you can see, 100% - 80% is so short

while 50% to 0% holds a lot of time

[somber tinsel]

you can try it by youself later

i recommend it

[reef dagger]

I just did and it’s quite weird, they both don’t really feel all that different from eachother

[somber tinsel]

in due time you will notice

it's not that quick

[reef dagger]

I’ve noticed that the damage buff only starts to take into effect after you’ve landed the first hit. It doesn’t start upon the first hit

And the buff lasts for pretty much the whole fight

Even if it means waiting for your invis s3 cooldown to come back and then using your abilities, the damage buff stays in effect

So you could honestly go either giant slayer or prepare to die (broly) cards they’re both the same

Prepare to die probably just has more uses to confirm the kill on ppl

But I would still opt for giant slayer because I’m the type of player that initiates fights with ppl to drop them below max health or preferably kill them from full so that it helps my team kill them faster in big team fights, so then I can go back door

[reef dagger]

This isn’t that accurate. Like yes the window is smaller but the buff stays in effect the whole fight, even when the enemy’s health has gone down past 80% you just won’t re trigger the buff if you leave the fight and come back and the enemy’s health is below 80%

But if you’re “in the fight” the whole time the buff stays in effect

[somber tinsel]

but it only works until 80%, i dont get why that would be more useful rather than prepare to die

like yeah you'll get a damage buff in the very start of the fight, but then that buff will not give you damage till the enemy dies, that's why i prefer prepare to die card, it will give me damage buff till the enemy's death

[reef dagger]

But that’s why I like giant slayer even more because if I’m not killing them there and now, I’m most definitely not gonna kill em in a team fight when they’re throwing out a ton of aoe everywhere

Plus as I said before, I like being the one that initiates the fight. So when there’s a boss fight taking place I will almost always target the dps first to drop them below full to either around 50%hp or less or just dead

Because doing this forces them to either retreat back to their god helping secure the boss, or attempt to make a last ditch effort that will very likely lead to their deaths regardless

If they chose the god I just keep attacking other ppl, and I just made a 4v4 into a 4v3

If they make the last ditch effort, then I sneak around and rat the tower

[leaden vector]

Well they just reversed his S2 nerf BUT it stated that S2 CD divine draw got adjusted (maybe nerfed for already short S2?)

[safe pasture]

Wait, they fixed his arms?!?! Wooooohoooo and W for nerfing divine draw

[latent bolt]

thats just not true

if you hit them when theyre above 80% the buff lasts the entire fight

including if they go below 80

[safe pasture]

To conclude this whole argument. Giant slayer last until battle ends. Which means. If you stop attacking your opponent. The effect disappear. If you attack the same opponent again, and they are not 80%. It won't activate. With Broly card, the effect start when you attack a opponent with 50% health. Thing is, the card get stronger the longer the opponent last in the fight, it start after 2 sec of constant combat.

[somber tinsel]

I am not talking about the duration of the buff itself.

[somber tinsel]

that's what I'm trying to say

giant slayer won't give you damage buff till the enemy dies, but ptd will, and it will get stronger the more it lasts

from my perspective, it seems that this card get stronger when the more enemy's HP is low

I remember a fight against Gotenks for example, and I killed him too fast with so much damage the more he got attacked

when his hp reached 50%, I landed a s1 on him and it took like 20% of his hp, then s3 and normal attack took 30% of his hp when he tried to escape

[orchid owl]

No shot they gave Hit his arms back

[reef dagger]

The window for attack again to not lose giant slayer buff is actually quite long. Like I could wait for the entire duration of s2 and if I hit it again or even wait for s1 and land it then giant slayer is still in effect. And I think that resets the “cooldown” for how long to stay in effect cuz you can then wait again for the entire s1/s2 duration to deal the same damage. And I think it becomes undone when fear of death is removed or like 1-2 secs after fear of death is removed from the enemy player. So that window to attack is actually quite long, longer than you would think

And yes I agree with you, the longer the fight lasts the better prepare to die is, cuz it just has more utility

[safe pasture]

Yeah, sadly. The reason I can't be specific HOW long the battle have to last or be pause for the effect to disappear is due to not enough information. The card sadly do not state how long it take for it to wear off when you leave combat for a sec.

Only general idea or theory I would have is that it stops at some point when you not engaging a opponent for a certain time. Probably a code in the game that have a counter on it that check if you and a opponent are engage in combat or not. If that time has pass long enough, it probably check you as out of combat.

[somber tinsel]

but what about the fear of death passive?

that's too bad, honestly

back there when you hit an enemy, his range of vision was so close and small

now it's big and I find that awful

they just restored S2 hit range back

[safe pasture]

Better then nothing. It was hard landing the S2 without getting really close and getting accidently hit by a random attack from the opponent. I had to go with S2 into backstep into S1 for my combos. Now I can go back to S1 into S2

[latent bolt]

you "the buff will not give damage until the enemy dies" even though it DOES give damage until combat ends

[somber tinsel]

yeah

at least it's something else

[somber tinsel]

• Giant Slayer

"When attack hits enemy hero with 80% or more HP, boosts damage dealt to target in proportion to their MAX HP until the end of the battle."

it DOES give damage only for 80% or more HP, not till 0% of HP

THAT is what I'm actually talking about, if you read carefully.

[latent bolt]

oh so you actually just have 0 reading comprehension??

hitting an enemy hero above 80% activates the buff of the card

and the buff lasts until the end of the battle

so it lasts from 100-0

[somber tinsel]

just tell me you're joking around, please.

I don't think you must be that dumb

I suggest you to read again, carefully

be patient

[sharp pine]

This argument could be done in one go by just going in training mode and spamming skill 1 to see the damage no?

[fallen onyx]

As it should've been
Even if hit annoys the hell out of me nerfing him instead of the divine draw was the worst approach

[finite zodiac]

Omg my goat is back

[somber tinsel]

that bro was complaining about his own misunderstanding of what I said, so that discussion it's not even about the Giant Slayer anymore

let him be

[finite zodiac]

7m again

[latent bolt]

yeah which multiple people have already done and proven that giant slayer works as according to the description that shouldnt be difficult to read

[reef dagger]

You’re equally at fault tho cuz he’s not the only one that’s confused. Reading your writing is confusing af. If he should read more carefully you gotta write more carefully too 😭

[slow fractal]

"When attack hits enemy hero with 80% or more HP, boosts damage dealt to target in proportion to their MAX HP*** until the end of the battle.***

please read yourself

[reef dagger]

Here’s my understanding, correct me if I’m wrong. Your argument @somber tinsel, is you’re trying to say that you find more value in prepare to die because you have more freedom of not needing to stay in combat to be granted the damage buff. You can leave combat and come back whenever (otherwise know as stalking the low hp player) waiting for an opportunity to kill em. Giant slayer buff proccs only when enemy hp is 80% or above. But in order to retain this buff you NEED to stay in combat and if you happen to leave cuz you’re low hp or some crap then you permanently lose the buff

[slow fractal]

you can still be around him in bushes i think but you can't let the enemy leave your screen if i am correct

[reef dagger]

Ohhhh, that’s really interesting 🧐

[slow fractal]

i haven't tested the bush part but i am certain the last part is true

[somber tinsel]

congrats! do you want an award?

[somber tinsel]

I am talking about the damage buff, the damage. I did not deny anywhere the fact that it lasts until the end of the battle, literally I can't do it because it is already written up there

[somber tinsel]

.

that's the description

[somber tinsel]

the damage buff you receive when attacking an enemy with 100% to 80% HP will be gone if they are below 80%

that's what I am saying

[slow fractal]

the percentage damage buff doesn't go away even if they fall below 80%

[reef dagger]

but here’s my counter argument for why I believe giant slayer is the better card. The thing about these cards. Is that the damage buff only proccs after hitting the enemy the first time and if their hp is a certain amount. If you land s1 at an enemy who has 60% hp and then s2 combo. The damage buff will only procc for any attacks that come after s2 not including s2. Meaning any follow up attacks after that will receive a buff but not the initial attacks (this is only if you leave combat or as @slow fractal, said have the enemy player leave your screen). Even if the enemy player is already below 50% hp. You’re only getting a damage buff on your s2. If you repeat this process of leaving combat, and re enter combat with a combo, then again you lose the damage buff on your s1 (or your first attack) unless you stay in combat. But if you were going to stay in combat to take full advantage of the buffs, my argument would be, why not just stick to giant slayer from the get go? The best way to take advantage of these damage buffs is to stay in combat. I bring this up because what I assume your logic is @somber tinsel, is that you want to be the guy that gets the finishing blow on a low hp target. But in order to take full advantage of the buff you would need to combo them and have s2 damage kill em off but in most cases I’ve been in, I rarely need to use more than one attack to land the finishing blow. So if you only need one attack to finish someone off, that means prepare to die didn’t boost your damage to kill the person, not even giant slayer would be needed because that’s just hit’s base damage value

[somber tinsel]

so you mean that card works exactly like snowball, then?

[reef dagger]

Bro, is my understanding of what you said right or not?

[somber tinsel]

I'll read it lmao

give me a sec

[slow fractal]

Snowball is a flat number attached to the end of your base damage

[reef dagger]

That paragraph is my attempt to try and clear up the misunderstandings 😭. The other big paragraph is just my opinion on giant slayer being “better” than prepare to die 😅

[somber tinsel]

the argument for PTD being better than Giant Slayer is that, from the description of the cards and in practice as I see while playing, the PTD card will be valid until the enemy dies, which means it's not for a certain % of enemy HP like Giant Slayer does and says. Like, the enemy has a health bar, from 0% to 100%. When engaging in a battle with both you and enemy with 100% of life, using Giant Slayer, you will have a damage boost if your enemy has more than 80% of HP, that's what the card says; If that's so, doesn't this implies that when the enemy reaches less than 80% of HP or you attack someone with less than 80% of HP, that damage boost will be gone? The buff is under the condition of 80% HP, so it needs to hit someone with more than 80% to activate first. It lasts until the end of the battle, but it lasts until the first condition. It's not talking about the battle itself like running away or killing the enemy, but the battle while the enemy has more than 80% of HP. When compared to PTD, this card is valid until the enemy dies, which is not stuck only by a certain amount of HP and then gone for a while, but rather, till the enemy dies.

I understand what you guys are trying to say, and y'all are saying that this damage buff lasts until you or the enemy runs away or until one of you die

[somber tinsel]

but this is how it actually works in my opinion and practice

I noticed that I was giving some high damage in the start against some enemies, and then when it passed from 80% of HP, I've became weak again

all of that while fighting the enemy without running away nor anything

straight fight

[somber tinsel]

the buffs only works with the first skill you used, fr? didn't notice that

[somber tinsel]

from my practices, PTD worked while fighting against someone with 100% of HP

after a while when I was getting the upper hand and took 50% out of his whole HP, my damage got higher due to PTD

[reef dagger]

You are correct except for your first point. If you leave combat and then attack someone whose hp is lower than 80% hp, then you won't recieve a damage buff. Giant slayer is as good as useless. However, if you entered combat and stay in combat even if your opponent's hp falls well below 80%, the damage buff stays in effect until you leave combat. Which means, the damage buff CAN and WILL stay in effect from 100% hp all the way down to 0% hp as long as you STAY IN COMBAT. If you leave then the buff disappears and can't be recovered unless enemy has more than 80% hp which is unlikely if you combo'ed them. I know what the card says, but if you test it out what the card implies isn't 100% percent accurate. Think of it like this. For both Giant slayer and prepare to die, the damage buff is permanent as long as you STAY IN COMBAT.

[somber tinsel]

which proves what I said before: the buff is under the % first

the HP condition

I was engaged in a lot of fights with full HP against another enemy with full HP

and when the enemy reached 50% of HP, the damage inflicted on them got higher and I killed them faster with that

[reef dagger]

That's weird because when i was testing it out myself I was getting damage values where the damage buff wouldn't change as long as i stayed in combat regardless of what hp the enemy was at. In fact it was kind of crazy how i could wait a whole like 6-7 secs (waiting for my cooldowns) to attack again and it wouldn't be considered as "Leaving Combat" so the damage buff stayed in effect. This was true for both giant slayer and prepare to die

[somber tinsel]

that's why, from this perspective, PTD is better

but if it doesn't actually works like this and it works like you guys said (which I still doubt that), then yeah Giant Slayer is better then

[somber tinsel]

yeah I gotcha

you have a good point about giant slayer

[reef dagger]

I guess we're going to need to do some more testing lol

[somber tinsel]

hmmmm

I got that part of leaving combat

but damn that's weird from my end then, it worked differently

and I even saw the card giving the effect

I was trying out both, and I did this a lot of times to confirm how it works and compare them

[somber tinsel]

🤔

[somber tinsel]

yeah

lol

[reef dagger]

Tho i think the trickiest part about testing these things is that you have to take into effect of what fear of death does to damage increases

Cuz stacking fear of death means you do more damage than normal already, beyond even starting to use PTD or Giant slayer

[somber tinsel]

that might be something involved, too

I'm thinking about that thing you said of landing hit with a certain skill

maybe that too, idk

[somber tinsel]

that makes sense

@reef dagger I just checked one of my recorded gameplays, I landed s1 on a Gotenks and Dabura at once with like 80%-75% of their HP, then when they reached below 50% of HP, I used s2 and PTD started to count and being used, the game showed that PTD was activated

then it really works as I said, the buff has the HP as a condition before activating

it doesn't matter the duration of the battle, you must hit someone with that amount of HP described in the card, and if you hit again out of that first condition, it won't work anymore

otherwise, PTD wouldn't work here as I did here in my video

because I attacked them with their HP higher than 50%

like you guys said, it would only work if I hit someone with that amount of HP first described in the card

but no, it doesn't matter the first hit with certain HP

[reef dagger]

Oh that's really interesting

[somber tinsel]

@slow fractal read yourself, lmao

[reef dagger]

I would've thought that the first hit needs the enemy to be below 50% but i guess just as long as the first hit drops the enemies health down to 50% or lower than the card goes into effect

[somber tinsel]

yes exactly

[reef dagger]

Then hold, up lets check for giant slayer. cuz i'm testing it out now and it stays in effect well past 80% hp

[somber tinsel]

also do you wanna check that video by yourself? I will tell you the minutes when this happened so you can see it too

[somber tinsel]

I think if what I said about PTD works like that way, I believe it works for Giant Slayer too

[reef dagger]

I deleted the wrong message 😭

[somber tinsel]

lol

[reef dagger]

I think giant slayer and PTD work differently even though their descriptions are almost identical

My testing is showing that PTD buffs damage once below 50% hp and buffs even more damage probably like 15% hp or lower

[somber tinsel]

that can be possible

I'm unsure about how it really works, so I guess I'll just have to test it out again and again to confirm later

the only option I have for now

it might work like you guys said about the duration of the battle

while for PTD it doesn't matter

you just have to keep attacking and you'll get a damage buff just when the enemy reaches 50% or below

btw I still prefer PTD for that lol

good thing it works like this

it saves time and give Hit more damage

they won't escape

[reef dagger]

For giant slayer the damage buff stays in effect as long as combat is maintained, i've confirmed it. Doesn't matter if the enemy's hp drops below 80%

[reef dagger]

My bad i was wrong, Giant slayer works the same as PTD in the sense that the first hit applies giant slayer buff from the get go, as long as the enemy's hp is 80% or higher just like PTD does where it applies when your attack drops the enemy's hp down to below 80%

As in if i attack with s1 a full hp enemy player, my first hit has a damage buff automatically applied and every consecutive attack has a damage buff as well

And also i'm comparing damage values rn, and it seems that giant slayer does more damage overall but PTD does more damage than giant slayer in general.

Here are my numbers:

My testing is myself (hit) at lvl 9 against vegito lvl 10 (transformed) in training mode, two reds and backstab. First red is lightning swift (so i don't get confused with damage values lol

-Hit does 3403 damage with s1 at max lvl with fear of death already applied.
-Giant slayer bumps this up to 4188 and this damage stays the same regardless of how much hp vegito has (4188 as long as fear of death is still applied)
-PTD once triggered does 3915 damage
-PTD after at least 2s does 4254 damage

Another note, Your ult triggers giant slayer. If you ult when everyone is max health, then giant slayer is triggered for everyone

And i just found this out, but depending on the distance the enemy is from you when you ult, determines how much damage you deal on that enemy. The closer they are the more damage you do. The further away they are the less damage you do

But your ult automatically makes you deal more damage. So even if someone is on the outskirts of your ult, you'll do slightly more damage to them than normal.
-If you did 4k damage s1 (max lvl) with fear of death already applied. Then with ult you'll do 4.5k if their position was just were just shy from being out of range vs
-5.5k damage s1 (max lvl) if they were right next to you when you ulted

[somber tinsel]

so that thing about the end of the battle is not included then? like, if I hit someone with full HP and keep hitting till it reaches to 0%, the damage buff will be gone after the enemy's HP gets below 80%?

just like PTD when attacking above 50% doesn't activate, but when it reaches 50% it activates?

[somber tinsel]

hmmm that's interesting, nice job testing damage and comparing

[somber tinsel]

good to know that, thanks

[latent bolt]

thats literally not true and its what i just told you multiple times
and yet you accuse me of being unable to read

[latent bolt]

yes thats true its already been tested multiple times in the past

idk exactly what you said about it because i just skimmed through everything

but ptd activates as an actual buff if an opponent reaches below 50%, and the buff stops applying if they go above 50% again

[reef dagger]

No that's still included, Once giant slayer buff has been procced it will stay in effect until you have left combat. The idea that the buff magically dissappears just because the enemy's hp fell below 80% is simply false like what Arcane is saying

[reef dagger]

Yes

[latent bolt]

whereas giant slayer gives more damage as long as you hit them from above 80% and it lasts even until 0% as long as you stay in combat (which the game is very generous about, you can sometimes completely disengage and yet the buff still applies)

its one of the many reasons that giant slayer is better than ptd

[reef dagger]

Yup, I agree

[somber tinsel]

oh I see

so that only applies for PTD

[reef dagger]

Yeah it's SUUUUUPER generous, like when i was just testing it it's crazy how long you can be "out of combat" (as in not attacking the enemy) for and it will still procc like nothing ever happened

[latent bolt]

hit is maybe one of the only characters where ptd could be argued viable, but the fact that giant slayer can basiclaly just give you a permanent damage buff (and iirc this applies to all enemies even if only one of them was hit above 80%) just makes giant slayer very appealing

[somber tinsel]

because it literally says in the game of what need to happen to activate the card

[reef dagger]

Wow really??? That's actually broken 😳

[somber tinsel]

when you're about to select the card, it appears the condition to activate it

[latent bolt]

yeah the descriptions are just purely wrong for some reason

which is why i was trying to explain to you

the math itself is also VERY weird

[reef dagger]

Yeahhhh, those descriptions are sometimes so ahh

[somber tinsel]

and as you can see, PTD does have the same thing about "until the end of the battle", but still, it's not like Giant Slayer and the way you were talking about

[latent bolt]

like i remember testing giant slayer on certain characters (e.g. level 15 kefla against a zamasu ranging from levels 1-15) and at some point around level 8, the extra damage from giant slayer starts to decrease, then increase again around 11

[somber tinsel]

that's why I asked you to read again

[latent bolt]

which makes absolutely no sense considering its proportional to max hp and zamasus hp wasnt decreasing or anything

in other words dont be too trusting with info ingame without vigorously testing it because the devs fail to actually make it accurate

[somber tinsel]

but as we discovered, even with that "battle" thing written in the description of PTD, it doesn't apply it because of its condition

[latent bolt]

yes im pretty sure thats why many players like abe and aizen advocate for giant slayer so much

[somber tinsel]

which leads me to believe that it works the same with Giant Slayer, but apparently it does not

[latent bolt]

if ptd worked the same way it would actually be a pretty decent card

although still mostly worse for reasons that i cant be bothered to get into

[reef dagger]

Actually, with PTD i don't think its the same "until the end of battle" as giant slayer, Because PTD has two separate damage buffs, i think PTD is pretty much always applied regardless if you leave combat or not. The only thing that changes by leaving combat is that you don't get the 2nd damage buff from PTD

[latent bolt]

yeah idek what its based off

because id completely leave vision and it would sometimes go away and sometimes not

it felt purely random

[latent bolt]

i think thats true yeah

[somber tinsel]

hmmm okay, that's fair

it doesn't work like PTD

[latent bolt]

ptd needs to be reworked to be similar to gs

[reef dagger]

That's really reaaaaaally weird, hmmm, very interesting tho

[somber tinsel]

yeah

[marsh garden]

Whats the best way to break dragon shell in desperation

[slow fractal]

use your skills on it then rush attack thats it

[latent bolt]

ig you could technically switch some of your cards to red cards for the slight damage buff

if you have card energy

but idk how worth that rlly is

[reef dagger]

I feel like the best feeling in the world when playing hit is that moment when your entire team is dead except you but the enemy team refuses to attack the one defenseless god even when they're full health because you've been killing them constantly everytime they try any funny business

It's like i've trained them over the span of 5 mins that they will die by my hands if they so much as even think they can take a god from me 😂

[outer oyster]

I just use PTD because I roam around top and bottom constantly late game, I encounter more situations where the enemy is already below 80% after my teammates whittle them away and I can’t proc GS anymore.

Like you can sometimes find people above 80% just to proc GS

But I’d rather use PTD because even if you join the battle late, EVERYBODY passes by 50% HP if you join. However, not everybody is at 80% or above if you help a fight happening in the other lane after doing objectives.

[somber tinsel]

yeah I agree, most of the enemies I find there sleeping around are below 80%

so I just give some shots and then ptd does its job

[somber tinsel]

since they are way near to 50%, with snowball stacks a s1 + s2 combo already takes 26% of their hp

[safe pasture]

Don't forget to calculate in the bonus damage from the stack of fear of death on the opponent

Plus. the damage also increase on PTD the longer the fight takes

[somber tinsel]

yeah I forgot that one

and that's why I prefer ptd

that's a lot of damage buffs and stuffs

[safe pasture]

Exacly, Hit is not the character that start the fight. He the one who make sure the fight ends

[slim surge]

Hit can initiate them too, only if he gets a modicum of back-up or picks a solitary opponent. The key is just in spacing out the tools that cause “Fear of Death” to preventing it from ever vanishing. Backstab helps a lot in that case with “Vital Point Strike” but sacrifices Pursuer in the process.

[safe pasture]

You should ALWAYS run backstab

[slow fractal]

why would you ever run Pursuer? you get WAY higher DPS from free cooldown reduction from backstab in the time you do 2 skill rotations with Pursuer you can do around 5 with backstab

[slim surge]

I’ve been running back and forth between DPS and Tech for ranking, so likely crossing some wires admittedly.

[reef dagger]

Actually I’ve found more success if you initiate fights, especially if your teammates are characters that are close range with high burst damage

Like ssj Goku and android 18, cuz you initiate and stun em so that your dps can rush em and pretty much kill em off instantly

[rugged elk]

You build barrier ?

[reef dagger]

Build up, barrier? As my cards? No, I do snowball giant slayer

[dim drum]

He is trash and unreliable

[languid prism]

How do you guys deal with AOEs
like Vegito's S1, GodGeta's S2, Kid Buu's S3, etc
I tried staying in the back waiting for them so I go after they fire it but the moment I am seen I am getting jumped by 3 people just sticking together you know

basically what do I do in team fights you know 😔

[slow fractal]

pop ult in team fights then gang up on one guy lol

[rugged elk]

I use different cards

I try to ult and sneak to the turrets after dealing all the dmg I can

I have the game in other language so...

When you can't fight most of your enemies

You go for destroying turrets

Using the one for turrets, the scape plan and double dash

Depending on other things you can use barrier

For some situations where you want to take down the last turret

Don't have fear of changing cards, understanding how work all of them you can have more options

The base build of hit (for me) Is snowball, the one that deals more dmg to low hp enemies and the third card obviously the one that gives your cooldown back when hitting while hiding

Lighting Is a good option when you can't keep your snowballs all the time

Like with a vegito, Buu (pure) or vegita god for example

[somber tinsel]

keep your distance bro, the only thing that you need to do

attack using s1, observe the enemy around without getting any closer

with backstab you can keep using s1 and s3 to run away

basically hit and run in a team fight

[somber tinsel]

because if you attack and go for them you'll get focused and killed

attack, and if you're too close, use vanish step and s3 to stay away a little more

only attack with s2 and s3's attack sometimes

[languid prism]

How do I convince the other 3 to focus down one person

[languid prism]

I try to run snowball, giant slayer, backstab for max dmg
and yes I do change cards when I feel like I can't do much dmg, but sometime you realize you can't do much dmg before you actually get enough energy to change your cards, so I'm just stuck there thinking "damn I should have picked this card instead you know"

[languid prism]

But doesn't it feel like a 3v4 at this point
like if they have a tech like kid buu or some he is contributing way more than me in fights at this point

[languid prism]

That's . . . acutally yeah I should do more of that
I think i problem I have in general is that Idk when the team fights becomes non profitable even when you win

[somber tinsel]

then go face them and die

Hit wasn't build for that kind of front fight

he must be invisible unfortunately

[languid prism]

Damn fair enough i guess

[somber tinsel]

well, the only thing you can do is to try that

also snowball will help you out to attack from distance

it will give some damage

[languid prism]

I do use snowball actually
Giant slayer and backstab

[somber tinsel]

also his skills only give more damage if you're hiding or invisible

so you have to get some distance anyways

you can't fight enemies face to face

not all the time tho

[languid prism]

I thought they do when you apply fear of death first
like if I hit em with S1 it applies fear of death, but it itself doesn't do extra dmg

[somber tinsel]

hmmm

[somber tinsel]

that's what I'm saying

because if you hit enemies while hiding, the fear of death passive will activate

[languid prism]

How long does Fear of death last
I mean if you're not gonna be able to engage with S2 since getting close is a death sentence
can you keep firing S1s without losing the buff

[somber tinsel]

something like 3 seconds or more

[somber tinsel]

you can use s2

but you'll have to attack and get back again

at least if you see that in that team fight, the enemies are focusing you

and chasing you

if they don't, you can keep next to them

but not too close

[languid prism]

The problem with that everytime I go in for S2 I almost always get hit with an AOE
I try to wait for them first but if I am playing against 4 characters with them it's easier said than done, since they always gonna have an AOE ready

[somber tinsel]

do you use s2 while invisible or hiding?

[languid prism]

Invis
Late game I don't really use bushes unless the enemy team is far away from them

[somber tinsel]

you should check some pro Hit, you will see that they don't engage enough in a team battle

I mean, they attack from distance and try to focus in one of them to help allies

[languid prism]

Anyone I can watch
Now that I think about it I don't see a lot of YouTubers play hit for some reason

[somber tinsel]

yeah

[languid prism]

Usually I would do that for a ranged character like Kefla or Picolo since they don't have much health

[somber tinsel]

that's what bro said

it's easier to fight one along with an ally

[somber tinsel]

yeah good point, you can do the same for Hit sometimes

[languid prism]

Yeah but also how many times are you gonna have your ult really
like for every 3 team fights you gonna get one ult for example
that's two where you don't have much leverage you know
I usally try to save my ult for when boss comes
Blinds them and makes boss defense down

[languid prism]

Funny enough yeah
I had a game like that
Unrelated but I had much easier time dealing with character like than other like fat buu or even krillin for some reason

[somber tinsel]

team battles is a mess for Hit to be in the middle of it, he must be using s3 because sometimes there wont be some bushes nor clouds to hide, even more that this doesnt actually help a lot in this kind of context, because there's always a AoE character destroying everything around it

[somber tinsel]

yeah forget about the ult, the thing is to gang up on one of the enemies

[languid prism]

Yeah
I guess like Alex said
if team fight then just go for towers
at least one person is coming after you then it evens out for a 3v3 and if they don't then free towe

[somber tinsel]

that's the way

it's easier and effective

[languid prism]

[somber tinsel]

enemies will constantly attack you using their skills; Hit can also do that too but it won't give that much of a damage

it won't make any proper difference

[somber tinsel]

I mean, in a face to face battle

without hiding or using s3

[somber tinsel]

that's another good point for Hit too

[languid prism]

Oh yeah I know
I almost never go for 1 to 1 without being invis

[somber tinsel]

you can go for the towers while they are fighting

[somber tinsel]

you doing good

[languid prism]

Gonna try out the new method and see how it goes
thx for the tips lads <3

[somber tinsel]

good luck on your matches

[rugged elk]

Im still learning, I only play hit 2 days per season (sufficient for rank A)

[reef dagger]

It’s actually easier than you’d think. I just dash and s3 immediately after doing a s1 s2 combo on whichever character you listed out. But this is done because I initiate fights. I don’t wait around for ppl to use their abilities before getting in close. I start the attack first and force them to use their abilities before reengaging to finish them off

My s3 is almost always max level before I even consider to try to solo a large AoE characters like vegito or kid buu

But the idea is to engage with a fast s1 s2 combo and immediately dash far away out of range and almost always ppl will use an AoE attack to try to get you out of invis

[languid prism]

won 3 games in a row and got 2 MVPs
Who knew being an annoying pos was the way with Hit (no offense of course)

Like legit I had 3 to 2 of them defending tower almost half of the game and the moment they leave the tower I can get 2 hits in (I leave S3 to escape in case they come back)
Hell I even landed a max early game because they always rushed Kai

I was hoping that being more engaged in fights didn't hurt hit too much since sitting back a lot is kinda boring tho

[languid prism]

That's what I do for the most part when I want to engage
It is just sometimes you get caught in random AOEs that weren't even meant for you

[somber tinsel]

damn you said everything I tried to explain to bro 😭

[somber tinsel]

nice oneee

but yo, I understand that sitting back is boring tho, but that's how Hit works sometimes unfortunately

it's more strategy and less fighting hard

[reef dagger]

Thats just bad luck, there's really nothing you can do about that 😅

[reef dagger]

I mean you can still engage and be the guy that's always picking fights. I tend to do this alot only when i'm against the enemy dps cuz they're easy to kill off compared to a godgeta

But yeah, a lot of times when i'm ratting i'll do this. Or even when only 1 other guy besides me is alive i'll intentionally reveal my location or shoot an s1 at them near their god to try and bait ppl to fall back to defend instead of pushing our god when it's a 4v2. and then just retreat on back to defend against the two ppl that decided to attack

[languid prism]

Funny enough I was able to solo a godGeta one time because he was alone in the middle so his vision was always small since he wasn't near the tower

[languid prism]

That's not bad tech actually, gonna start using that
I tend to do that but I keep sticking around instead of going to defend since they might actually leave on the last 5 secs, late game you can get a hit or 2 that do a lot of dmg then

[reef dagger]

In that situation it’s always a matter of choosing your battles. Like you have to look at the situation as a whole, who’s your teammate that’s still alive. Are they actively fighting someone rn? Are they low hp themselves?Are they able to easily defend against multiple ppl by themselves? And etc

Like one match I had a daima left over full hp at our god, enemy team killed our two teammates around the middle of the map but a little closer to their side. I chose to go to their god to do an s1 s2 lvl 3 gekishin burst and immediately vanish and teleport back to base. That brought back one dps and tech, leaving 1 tank and dps for the fight at our god

Daima might be broken, but it’s not enough to defend against 4 ppl, so I would much rather help him defend than try to take out their god. If it was godgeta I probs would’ve stayed

[reef dagger]

I might have an unpopular opinion, but I think every character is pretty much easily killable with hit in a 1v1 situation. You just need to have good positioning and be aware of their abilities so as not to let them get you out of invis

And this includes tanky ppl like bardock and godgeta. Just be mindful of their aoe and their ez snowball stacks.

Tho I think the hardest part about killing tanks might be more that they have so much hp than whether their aoe is to large or something

[somber tinsel]

the good thing of being Hit is that you must be a rat, and for that you'll get some snowball stacks easily because Hit doesn't necessarily has to be in a fight till the death

with your attacks inflicted on enemies, if your allies finish them off you'll get a stack

he is more of an assistant in a battle than a fighter

[somber tinsel]

I think the same way, and as I said, he's not about fighting all out, but be strategic while fighting from different positions

also that's canonically Hit's fighting style btw

keeping distance from the enemies to bait them and make them use their skills, that makes them more vulnerable

[reef dagger]

I guess I think the same 🤔. Usually my play style is really aggressive so when you guys say hit is strategic I like half agree and half don’t since my play style’s version of strategic would be to s3 not too far and not to close so that I can get the kill as fast as possible instead of leaving it for my team to get em

Like final stats in a game usually ends up as me getting more kills than assists plus usually the most god damage

[reef dagger]

I definitely don’t play like an assistant. Like I’m very aggressive and have had times where I initiate fights that definitely didn’t need to be initiated and end up killing the first 2 ppl for my team to push the team fight and win

[reef dagger]

This is where I’m confused, what do you mean by fighting all out? Like using s3 to flee the battle and waiting for an opportunity to strike again then yes I do this, but also sometimes I use s3 to finish a kill faster. As in going all in to kill someone

[somber tinsel]

my play style is exactly the same as yours, but what I'm saying is that Hit, compared to other techs and characters, he doesn't fight enemies face to face and using skills in front of them like everybody else, it's more about position and that requires strategic play style

while other characters can be constantly fighting face to face and using skills without the need of using strategic positions all the time for better damage and buffs

I am not too far from the enemies nor too close, but constantly attacking them from different positions each second

I always start fights, using s1 to hit them wherever they are to apply fear of death and reduce their field of view, even more if they are behind any walls

I keep hitting them until they die, and if they manage to be so resistant and reduce a lot of my hp, I let them be for a moment

but if they get less than 50% of their hp, I get more aggressive to finish them off with my damage stacks

[somber tinsel]

I say "assistant" like a second fighter

Hit is a fighter indeed, but most of the times Hit must be hidden while his partner is attacking

[reef dagger]

Okay… I get it now. When you say fighting face to face. I understand this as using your skills to fight ppl regardless of my position with them which is what I do as well

[reef dagger]

Actually i kinda like starting fights with s2. Initiating with s1 is my go to Strat if im quite a distance away or if i dont have s3 available. Otherwise I initiate with s2 walk/dash to a cloud and era or just get out. Backstab always resets the cooldown on s2 so I use that to procc fear of death so I can do an s1 s2 combo shortly after

[reef dagger]

Nah, I go all in. Even if I’m on 20%hp I’ll keep fighting just as aggressive as before. Only time I leave is when I’m literally one shot from a random rush attack 😂

[somber tinsel]

"fighting all out" I mean by just keep attacking blindly and using skills in front of the enemy without hiding first and changing positions dynamically

like almost every other characters does, since they don't need to hide to attack

they can use their skills anytime anywhere

but not for Hit, if you want to inflict real damage

[somber tinsel]

as you should

s3 is the best to finish

[somber tinsel]

yes

[somber tinsel]

yeah there are moments where you can really start with s2, and that's a good starting tho, even more if your ally is charging a skill like Goku 3's Super Kamehameha

you will stun the enemy and it will be stuck while the charged attack keep inflicting damage

I like to start fights with s2 when i'm in a bush or cloud waiting for someone to pass nearby so I can hit them

then I use s3, s1 and normal attack in varying seconds

with backstab I can do another s2 too

[somber tinsel]

I do risk sometimes like that too lol, but mostly don't because I expect the enemy to use a skill to rush or a skill that inflicts consecutive damages as soon as I'm close to die

however, if they turn their back for me, I will chase them down too and attack even with such low hp lol

when I have 5 snowball stacks I just prefer not to risk yet or I will lose my stacks

that's more reasonable for me to hold back a little

even if both me and the enemy are low on hp

[languid prism]

I agree, but key part being alone
something like this wouldn't happen much late game

[reef dagger]

Honestly, this also depends entirely on the enemy team. Whether you can bait them out of their god even just a couple like meters away, like the region where the big minions spawn is fine

[keen mist]

Cna someone teach me how to play hit against buu and godgeta combo?

Skill 3 is hard to use against those huge ao

[reef dagger]

I prioritize s3 to max level second. You can do the same or prioritize it first the second you reach lvl 8

If you’re struggling against kidbuu and godgeta I would get s3 to max level first before confronting them

And then when you have s3 maxed out practice landing s1 s2 combo on either of them and immediately vanish step away and s3 away as well

Don’t try to do more damage with an era or even rush attack, just escape the second you stunned them. Your s2 stun should last long enough to escape any aoe kid buu or godgeta throws at you

And most players I’ve played against almost always use an AoE immediately after I land a stun on them

Which you can then wait out their ability before attacking again. Land another s1 s2 and rinse and repeat

[keen mist]

I get s3 to max level first but in team fights I feel like I am.not contributing

I will try it

How do you play before lvl 8?

@reef dagger

[reef dagger]

I do pretty much the same thing, but s3 at lvl 1 practically just turns you invis without much of any distance at all so I tend to be more careful or actually I don’t really care that much tbh

Like that first lvl3 fight for Kai, I tend to just s1 era in a bush if possible and attack Kai

And until I get s3 to lvl 2 I just bush/cloud camp the whole time (but this is only for boss fights or for fighting for the middle Kai’s)

I only start playing in the open/entire map once I hit lvl9/ get my s3 to max level

[reef dagger]

For team fights you should be ulting, otherwise focus on taking out the dps, not the enemy tech or tanks or even just ditching the team fight entirely to rat

Also, as long as you do the s1 s2 vanish step and s3 out, you’ll be contributing enough to team fights because what you’re doing is limiting one person’s vision and using their abilities on nothing for your team to follow up and get the kill

[keen mist]

I see

Makes sense

[safe pasture]

With Hit. You are just meant to be a nuisance to the enemy team, making them see red and focus on killing you more the focusing objectives. I still remember how I got three people chasing me, letting my team take the tower XD

[somber tinsel]

specially when both teams are fighting a boss

they won't see a thing

[keen mist]

So I should focus on making everyone blind

Starting with range

But don chase for kìlls

[somber tinsel]

you can chase for kills, but be careful or if you die, they will see again

[safe pasture]

And always be mindful of tower and zen-oh (Idk why they did this) But under the light of the tower and zen-oh, you can still be spotted, even if you have blinded them -_-

[maiden ore]

So ik s3 at level 8

But you go for s2 after?

To max

[somber tinsel]

s3 first, next s1 and finally then, s2

[maiden ore]

Have had others argue s2 over s1

What does s2 even do more at maxed

Increased stagger?

[somber tinsel]

increase double stun range

at lvl 1 it will only stun the enemy

at lvl 2 it will stun one enemy and another one next to it

at lvl 3 it will increase that stun range for the other enemy near the targeted enemy

[somber tinsel]

s1 applies fear of death plus attack from such great distance, it's a must have skill

the more common is to argue between s1 and s3, but not s1 and s2

[safe pasture]

I normally go for maxing s3. But while doing so. I make sure to get two points into s2 for that double stun effect. Then I max s1

[somber tinsel]

some ppl prefer to max and prioritize s1 first, I prefer to max s3 first then s1

with s3 I can fly faster and be invisible every time

the cooldown becomes shorter, which allows me to inflict more normal attacks when needed

[safe pasture]

Maxing s3 helps alot with escaping and hiding. And if you add backstab and the cold down reduction when you activate his passive, you will always have his s3 ready

[somber tinsel]

yeah exactly, it's always necessary to have s3 ready so that you can escape and hide more often

so you MUST prioritize s3 always

s1 won't help as much as s3 when we compare both utilities

[safe pasture]

Yepp, but you need to get your s1 to level 2 at least. The range on s1 at level 1 is not very good. But also putting two points into the s2 is important as well to make sure you get the multi stun from level 2. The ult I can say doesn't need too much love. I normaly focus on the other three moves since they come back so fast with backstab

[somber tinsel]

s3 at lvl 2 iirc it has 5 seconds of cooldown, bro honestly I find that so painful to wait

and I feel vulnerable without being able to be invisible in certain circumstances

[safe pasture]

I don't find it too painful. A experience Hit player know how to get back their s3 instantly even if it is at lvl 2

[somber tinsel]

which happens a lot in early game

[safe pasture]

level 1 is the only painful part

[somber tinsel]

you gotta be more careful while it's not at max

[somber tinsel]

that's what I said you have to prioritize s1 after s3

from all Hit's skills, the most necessary ones are s3 and s1

[safe pasture]

Yes, but actually no. I can go in with a level 2 s3 easily. I make them see red on me, drag them over to my dps and let the dps finish them off while helping on the side lines

However, what makes Hit weak is that you can be seen under zen-oh and tower, even if you blinded the opponent

[somber tinsel]

"painful" I said it's just a way to say that I won't be so secure as when it's at max

[somber tinsel]

of course, everyone who play as Hit properly can play nicely with s3 on lvl 2

I'm not saying that you should focus 100% on maxing s3 just because it's easier and safe, but rather focus on at least making it lvl 2 as a minimum, because lvl 1 is so poor and slow to use

[safe pasture]

My friend, I know how Hit play. I play him during the beta and through out all season of squadra. Hit is my main, my boy. I study every part of his kit and learn to feel the cd and range on his stuff. I am just saying. With enough experience, you can get out of any situation.

[reef dagger]

The only thing I struggle with having s3 at lvl 2 is getting away from large aoe characters like vegito when he has his aoe abilities at max level

I like being able to s3 a significant amount of distance away. Especially since I play on mobile so most of the time I’m forced to just tap the button instead of dragging it away the full distance

[safe pasture]

You gotta wait for him to use his aoe, then use s3. Is all about timing

[reef dagger]

Nah I’m too impatient, I’d rather initiate the fight and run right before he uses his aoe and then come back to deal more damage now that he’s a helpless sitting duck lol

[fallen onyx]

Man I had an itch to play hit
Too bad there's AoE attacks everywhere

[hollow spear]

Idk abt you guys but would snowball, art of decoy, limit jump be good

I tried a few games it’s decent

Just snowball for the added tomfoolery whenever you sneak a kill

[slow fractal]

no

[slim surge]

Hrm… I feel Hit’s quite reliant in preserving an advantage state of some sort and finishing off fights, and Art of Decoy just doesn’t go with that.

[slow fractal]

why would you need any other blue card other then backstab?

[slim surge]

Prepare to Die is usually the preferred slot 2 for securing kills, especially with Skill 3’s movement capabilities.

And Backstab has great synergy with Skill 2, securing more stuns and further overall recovery of skill 3, especially since the old range has returned.

[slow fractal]

backstab has great synergy with his entire kit because he constantly triggers it

[slim surge]

The only awkward part is Skill 1’s quirk about not revealing oneself on use, thus not triggering it on “Revealing”

However, generally striking from Skill 3, leaving visibility, then using Skill 1 circumvents the issue.

[slow fractal]

skill 1 doesn't need it because skill 2 and 3 come back faster which refresh stealth aswell

[fallen onyx]

I figured out a good cycle where I can basically time skip for real
S3 until it's down to 3 seconds of invisibility left -> rush attack and reveal yourself-> vanish out of vision which let's backstab kick in -> S1 -> S3 -> rush attack -> walk/vanish out of vision -> S2 -> S3 -> rush attack -> S1 -> S2

You can even throw in 1 more S3 before the last S2 if you need to reposition

Or you can just throw out a rush attack

It works in literal practice but it would still be hard to land when AoEs that can break your S3 is flying everywhere

Plus a real person will probably try to chase you into you can't properly land an S2 when you're not invisible

[slim surge]

Having access to Skill 3 or a vanish helps in that case.

[fallen onyx]

Still not bad since hit is supposed to enable his allies to get a kill or pick off a target
#✨game-moments message

This is probably the best combo to protect a tower against back door-ers since i can see squad sight running this combo without his ult

https://tenor.com/view/hit-dragon-ball-super-dragon-ball-assassin-warrior-gif-17341727

[fallen onyx]

Tho strategic retreat can probably fix it

Most DPS's probably won't even survive the full combo especially with max snowball which will help at boss by just killing them completely

maybe the supposed map changes will make hit better by giving him more space in top lane so he has more room to walk around AoEs

[fallen onyx]

Tho...now that I think about it will the average player be ready for hit...well hitting them then suddenly being behind/to the side of them in a second?

[slow fractal]

hit got gutted jesus

[fallen onyx]

Welp I've already made a new route

A less effective route is a small price to pay for baby to finally run the show

Tho hit is probably super screwed now more then he already is if an AoE grazes him

[safe pasture]

One thing I don't understand from the devs with no brains. How the hell, are you supposed to activate the CD boost on his s3 if the CD doesn't start until after the ability ended. Like, what were they thinking?

[slow fractal]

wdm his skills should still shorten CD

[safe pasture]

When you were invisible and use s1 and s2, it would apply his passive on the enemy. Which, in return decrease the CD on s3, even when it is active.

Now, the CD doesn't start until after s3 has ended. The question becomes then, how the hell are you suppose to activate s3 CD boost since you need to land stealth hits to activate the passive.

It doesn't help even if you blind both opponents, they can still see you through the vision of tower and zen-oh

I still find that stupid that they can see Hit, even when they are blinded. Thanks to zen-oh flying by or some other bs

[fallen onyx]

Figured out for 1v1s/back door-ers at least you rush attack first
#✨game-moments message

[slate inlet]

is hit dead now

[fading plover]

expect him to be bottom tier this season

[safe pasture]

No, just very very difficult to play now

[fading plover]

Wouldn't say difficult, just high risk/very low reward.

[slim surge]

Def going to be a very noticeable change.

[languid prism]

Dawg what have they done to my boy 😭
at least make him better in combat while being visible

[languid prism]

So from now on you want to start with his Rush attack and then do your S1 and S2 ?

[fallen onyx]

It's what I'm gonna do in solo fights at least since it double proccs backstab and gives me my S3 back

In team fights however...imma need to figure it out

Especially without ult

[cloud sedge]

Goated nerfs i must say.

[reef dagger]

The changes are in effect right? Why don't i feel it any different?

nvm, they're not in effect for me it seems

[cloud sedge]

Theyre not on mobile apparantly

but they are active everywhere else

[reef dagger]

Do you think the new combo will be s1 or era to initiate and then vanish step away and instantly s2 and then s3 away? Im hoping that era using s3 starts cooldown and immediately shortens it because fod is procced and then s2 gives it the last push for s3 to come off cooldown again and flee. Wait, perhaps is removing backstab and trading it for double vanish perhaps the play then? That way you can always step out of range from an enemy to s1 s2 combo them and then run?

[reef dagger]

That's annoying

[safe pasture]

What I have find out so far is when you are in stealth with s3. Landing s1 doesn't shorten the CD of s3 while active. However, I saw when you use s2 while in s3 it applies shorten CD for s3, I think. Why say I think, is because idk if it was because I hit multiple enemies with s2 or if reapplying his passive trigger it or because s2 forces you out of s3. It would need further testing

[fallen onyx]

Oh that's because for backstab the enemy needs to see you first in addition of needing to hit them within 3 seconds
So it doesn't work with S1 while in S3 since they can't see you while invisible but works with S2 because you've revealed yourself the moment you staggered them

It's also why S1 does work if you S3 rush attack first then vanish out of sight since they saw you for a split second

[safe pasture]

You are forgetting one thing. When did you see a enemy stand still and do nothing to keep you from running away. The rush attack doesn't stun, so they will be able to retaliate with anything.

I still think they should lose vision completely even if the allies is nearby. You don't see through your allies eyes, you see through your own eyes. So I find unlogical you can see still under the effect of his passive when you have a allie nearby

[languid prism]

Damn
Please do share if you find anything, Hit was already hard to play during team fights now the situation is just . . . yeh

[languid prism]

That's one thing I never liked about how they made hit
a lot of times the range of vision reduction is not that good since zeno can just reveal your location, same thing with allies vision as well, that's why S3 was the way it is, but now . . yeah idk

[cloud sedge]

The nerfs were justified and very much needed.

[safe pasture]

The vision debuff should be more effective. After all, the amount of vision they have now is more then it was back in season 2-3. Either reduce how much they can see under the effect of Hits passive. Or make it so you can't use your allies vision to see when you are blinded.

That way, the game would be more team focus, since you need to rely on your allies more then to save you while you are blinded.

Hit is meant to be a stealth character. How can he be a stealth character when there is so much that can reveal you.

[cloud sedge]

Bushes, clouds exist

Hit not being invis the entire game anymore is a genuinely good balancing change

He now requires a braincell to use unlike before

[safe pasture]

Is there bushes and cloud near the towers? How about near the center. I can name multiple things that can catch hit out of stealth

[cloud sedge]

There are clouds near towers.

Besides once u proc ur passive on them their vision is severely limited, you can literally see it.

[safe pasture]

Ah, but that's when you are partly wrong.

Yes, it is limit IF zen oh is not near, they are not near their tower, their allies aren't nearby