Cell (Perfect Form)

[sudden flower]

But cell

He has nothing

Healing Thag gets you killed

Makes you super slow unable to attack

the risks are far too high

[hoary canyon]

oh my crashout

bro is not perfect

[indigo torrent]

Git gud

[sudden flower]

Yeah

[sudden flower]

I just don’t understand that move

After playing cell more than everybody else

As in any other character

Or that move just sucks which it does

[kind dome]

I feel like you gotta use regeneration as like a parry/bait when you know a move/a set of moves a character can do will actually hurt you

Since you heal more the lower your HP gets as you're doing the move when it finishes/you cancel it

You use it before your in real danger to try to comeback from near death like super perfect cell

Ans now the enemy has wasted their skills since you healed everything off

And do to how cell is made the enemy can't escape after this failed attempt on you unless they're 3ku and they IT before you can stagger them with S2

[sudden flower]

That’s how I use it

But it doesn’t work like a parry

Because you don’t deflect the damage

You just take everything

And die

Gokus spirit bomb kills you

It’s crazy

Hoe bad that move is

I just hope they give some sort of reduced damage when you’re using it

Or even automatically canceling the move and gaining hp when your health reaches below 15%

It does have its uses early on if you’re getting beamed by ssj3 goku

But that’s bout it

Burst damage kills you cuz you have no time to do anything

If could also just be a get off me move

Like caulifla and vegeta

A hybrid of the two just toned down but somewhat effective

[urban hamlet]

I agree

Late game i see absolutely no use

His 2nd skill is the most useful though

Very strong skill

Also the moment you use 3rd skill while good players will just block off your escape route and won't even attack

[halcyon skiff]

its much better early game imo

[indigo torrent]

You use your ult to counter the spirit bomb because his regen skill works better for small scale skirmish

That too early game

[urban hamlet]

I dont think cell ult nullifies spirit bomb dmg

[indigo torrent]

But he gets immunity to energy tho?

I’m assuming that also includes spirit bomb

i just tested it in training mode against the vegeta bot and his barrier gave him immunity to vegeta's big bang attack so it should work for all energy based attacks

ideally

[kind dome]

How did you get the bot to use a skill i thought it could only rush attack?

[indigo torrent]

You gotta up their level from the menu

[kind dome]

I do i level them up to 13

[indigo torrent]

Hollon I’ll show you both

[urban hamlet]

It does? I think that was only from skills and not super skille

[glossy summit]

WE (yes all of us) love being perfection

[glossy summit]

Even if cell gets gutted WE will still love perfection

[tired dagger]

any tips on how to actually play cell? ( build and move priorities ) cause I've seen a lot of mixed takes on the character and I myself can't find a solid gameplan

I've seen the approach of dmg oriented builds and defense but I don't know which style actually suits him best

and the thing that has me most confused is which moves should you actually prioritize, some people say max regeneration early ( especially in super start ) whilst others say its not that needed. There's also the take his skill 1 should be the last thing you focus on but I'm not really sure on which is most optimal

[sudden flower]

Super start just max either 1 or 2

But make sure to get 3 as well

And yeah damage built is prolly best for him

Early on you just wanna drain as much as possible

To get your form

He already tanks decently enough

You don’t get one shot by a kamehameha

So might as well do some damage

[forest sun]

Me personally I go for max s3
That’s a personal bias (2 is more likely the way to go for the range)

Max skill 3 allows true oppression since the enemy practically can’t kill you when (earlier on) you heal close to 4/5ths of your ho

[urban hamlet]

Does not work against burst dmg opponent though

[forest sun]

Very true

[urban hamlet]

I have started using limit breaker on cell

I feel like its much better than wicked for him

Backstab is a good option but you cant abuse it

[urban hamlet]

How do I farm cell bioenergy when th3 lane goes absolutely horrible

Also how do I play against zamasu as cell

It feels like he does way too much dmg

[swift vortex]

u counter 3 lane

[urban hamlet]

What does this mean? I dont understand.

[hoary canyon]

Play aggro

To maximize perfect form early

I take every fight just to get my energy

And back off

The second u get ur energy pull off

Dont over extend either but still get ur hits in

Cus u get the most from ppl instead of mobs

Naturally still aim for the mobs

[urban hamlet]

Horribly wrong means that I cant play aggressive

[glossy summit]

What works the best with me on cell (and has been for like 20+ games). Is that i always start with skill 1 and 3, don’t focus too much on skill 2 as its more of a utility type of move. Prioritize Upgrading skill 1 and skill 3, the one you should max out first is dependent on how the match is going and who you’re fighting but you usually wanna max out skill 1 first. One thing i do recommend heavily is only grabbing his ultimate when you transform, its almost entirely useless beforehand. One last thing about Cell is that in the beginning of the match you’re most likely gonna have to play more defensive until you can transform

And for Divine Combo Cards I heavily recommend.

1. Super Snowball
2. Solid Barrier
3. Wicked Warrior

[tired dagger]

wouldn’t his 3rd skill be a bit useless early on due to the lack of health there is to even regenerate

personally I’ve started getting the first 2 moves first and only really going for the 3rd when forced or after I’ve transformed

[glossy summit]

Its there to help you live or escape in the cery early fights cause of how fleshy first form is

[tired dagger]

yeah but i feel like upgrading it is a waste since a level 1 regen can pretty much full heal you pre perfection

[glossy summit]

Kinda? Its all dependent on how much you’re actually hit so, but i do agree with you which is why i suggest prioritizing skill 1 the most out of all of them cause its his highest damage skill and it has a low cooldown

[tired dagger]

yeah that seems most logical

as for divine cards i usually go with too easy if the lane is hard and my partner isn’t really securing kills

otherwise i just get snowball and not worry much about the match

[sudden flower]

Yeah bro cell is just bad

He sucks

He is super good transformed

But he’s so bad early game

It’s so not worth playing as him

He does everything worse than any other tank

For the ultimate and perfect life form

This guy is a fish

Vegeta heals in 1 second

Around 40-60 hp

And cell just takes 50 years to maybe heal if he doesn’t die as he’s healing because he has no damage reduction or any kind of defensive ability when using that move

[glossy summit]

You’re clearly not using it right then cause his heal can SAVE YOU if you know what to do with it

[sudden flower]

Heal ain’t saving you

Heal is killing you

Heal is saving you in C rank

You’re slow as hell

You’re not getting saved

S rank is not letting you do anything with cell.

They see that you picked cell and they attack you head on cuz of how weak cell is early on

This guy really needs early fame buffs

Adjust healing

Better stats

[timber mesa]

I need this character lol, I'm only level 60 something though

[molten agate]

I think the single most annoying part of playing cell is losing out on bioenergy because a mob or enemy died to a skill and you didnt get a drain proc
Also you dont really have a passive anymore after transforming, besides your rush attack getting a slow on drain proc

I think it'd be nice if you could keep gathering stacks in perfect and preTF bioenergy gain was faster

[devout junco]

Making cells heal push people back on the final explosion would be cool

[night garnet]

A change of energy attack would be cool from the big bang ball to something like the death beam. If the form changes so should the skill.

But so far LOVING my boy Cell.
Every so often you find a fan XD

[glossy summit]

Honestly i think what would help cell A LOT is if he got buffed to get bio-energy from his skills along with rush attack

[urban hamlet]

Does not 2nd skill gives bioenergy

[glossy summit]

I thought it did but it doesn’t

[urban hamlet]

Weird

May be it's just that whenever I got that drain off ability they drain was already there

Honestly I feel like cell is pretty good.

I was feeling he was good then very bad but now I again think he is good

Unless you horribly lose your lane

Really hard to become pc then

Although it should be cp and not pc

One thing I will say is that dont be afraid to die in early game once or twice if it gets you like 20% or more drain

But make sure that your dps is getting the npc farm while you are dragging the fight with enemy.

[surreal totem]

Drain stats, if anyone needs them.

[indigo torrent]

I don’t

[urban hamlet]

Thanks

Its better to pin that

Who can do so?

[urban hamlet]

@fresh pike tried build up instead of snowball

It was bad

Still dying easily by burst dmg and my dmg was shit(effectively making my ult 1v1 bad)

[indigo torrent]

I can do it

[urban hamlet]

Pin it then?

[indigo torrent]

Nah

[median folio]

this character falls of hard in S rank just warning everyone lol

you need a duo for S rank with cell, he's simply too weak and easy to deny early game

dont focus on anything but exp and hit and run with cell in first form unless you know you and your duo can confirm someone

I usually just get a raid smash, absorb, and then vanish out

repeat until perfect

[urban hamlet]

Damn really?

I am currently A2 with cell

[median folio]

Its not too harsh but I just cracked top 100 with him earlier this week and matches have been absolutely brutal

Doesnt mean he cant work, you just really need a Duo starting in S

Id call cell good just not solo main-able

I am gonna make a guide as since release ive legit only played cell

[median folio]

Here's my comically large Cell matchup chart

Wait I cant post photos in here RIPP lmao

Oh well just know he loses to pretty much all the top tiers rn LMAO

[spare sentinel]

Why not post in #✨game-moments and send a link to the message here

Like this #✨game-moments message

[median folio]

Oh I forgot about linking thx

[reef cosmos]

Yo man cell is so good

Dude's now one of my mains

[molten agate]

really wish they would make getting to perfect quicker or far more rewarding, all you really get out of it is a one time slow on a looong internal cooldown per target, and the 1v1 me upgrade to the ult, feels like it should upgrade the 1,2,3 skills too

[royal cedar]

Id say buff his base hp in imperfect form and his imperfect form ult and maybe 4% instead of 2 on minions for bio energy

Which would make bioenergy on enemies 10 %

Which would make xp denial less of a death sentence

[median folio]

Imo cell needs more utility

Like reduce bang crash damage but give it a sweetspot in the middle of the blast that stuns for half a second or something

Increase raid smash cooldown to like 7-8 seconds so its not oppressive with its current 5s but allow it to be activated without an enemy locked so you can use it like a short range dash similar to coolers to help escapes that resets your flight

Rn he just kind of had 2 options, get the flank and start targeting the weakest link, or try to brute force through which compared to the other tanks hes not the best at.

Regeneration needs a bit of a re evaluation

Like what is it... meant to do really?

If i use it early in a fight and nobody decides to hit me to Increase the healing, I get like 2k back and waste an entire 5 seconds

If I use it late, sometimes im too low to even make it count, so its not good at saving himself from death either.

Plus you can get stunned, and doubly, the effect of "more healing the lower your hp" is completely unnoticeable

The only thing that really recovers hp is taking a lot of damage, so most the time when you use it right and get a good heal off, you're kind of where you started when you used the ability...

[royal cedar]

Id say increase the base healing it does and give hyper armour so cell can't be stunned out of it cuz that's always pointless

[median folio]

Maybe the casting animation itself had hyper armor, but not the full regeneration

Not I frames because then he could Parry a spirit bomb by popping the regen as bomb hits

[ashen phoenix]

What's the best gameplan with Cell and his card line-up? Just unlocked him and I don't feel like playing Zamasu anymore

[median folio]

I run build up, solid barrier, wicked warrior.

Cell needs all the defense he can get because he has no stuns or movement abilities

Without it one J3 skill one and ur just kinda out the match until you regen

[gray herald]

What’s the best health threshhold to use s3?

[molten agate]

More useful as a parry really

Is a ult coming and you won't be one shot if you don't step it? Hit 3

Most useful scenario with it is just popping it when under tower to heal a bit faster

[royal cedar]

Yeah no just so he can't get grabbed, shouldn't make him invulnerable

[molten agate]

it being an iframe runs counter to what its meant to do
More damage reduction on it would be nice, they could just scale up the damage taken➡️ healing

[median folio]

Fell from top 100 all the way to 650, I think its time I find a team 😭

Cell gets so much from coordination and communication like anyone does in this game but since hes already a very opportunist character it especially helps you secure kills you raid smash

I think the most important part is first form by far

You need someone smart enough to hit and run with you and kite people to farm bioenergy without ever really taking a fight unless someone overextends and gets their neck snapped

Plus, cell unlike cooler has some dps he just dont work well with

Cooler/caulifla are flexible enough to lane with pretty much anyone (besides poopjack)

[keen parcel]

With cell is it worth going build up, steel skin, limit breaking jump

just because he already has some high damage

[gray herald]

Definitely worth it to prioritize defense because like you said he has strong enough offense organically. LBJ or defense step are both good for card 3, and too easy helps him in imperfect form for tier 1

[cedar leaf]

Oh which ones btw?

[median folio]

I think Kale, bojack obviously, Dabura, daima.

Cell likes good burst and stun to work with

Daima can work though

Hes just gotta be cracked with the bomb

Dabura is bad because he also has little screen presence so late game you both kind of only sneak people

[peak relic]

Good divine card combo for Cell?

[median folio]

I have a few i enjoy thats worked for me, hes honestly super versatile.

Believe it or not, early game strategic escape is massive for cell, just replace it with build up later and glass all of bottom lane for like half your stacks in one go

Cell first form only focuses on absorption you really should not take any fights

For second I mean I legit got no idea what you do other than solid barrier

I have only used solid barrier for my entire cell runtime lol

Third you can pick a few, if you want to be evil, backstab lets you chain 2 raid smashes

Wicked warrior is amazing if you got full build up stacks with barrier, his rush attacks are very very strong with the speed debuff they give and the hp he gets

Persuer can work, but you need to be good at landing cell games as if you proc persuer and trap them in there its over if they're not a tank or 17 isn't outside chucking barriers into the games

Helper BTW you always want rildo

Allows you to double dip a raid smash for an extra absorb early game

And if you raid smash, bang crash, mash R and then use cell games you all but guarantee you trap the person you hit with rildo's wrath debuff lasting about the same time it takes barrier to finish and cell games to trap them.

If they have limit breaking jump its the only way they can escape

But if its level 3 erm no hope

Also CELLS

Please know, when they get trapped in cell games you are actionable an entire second before the opponent (almost a second the timing seems slightly inconsistent)

This means if theyre facing away when it finishes, you'll get a free raid smash for your troubles, allowing you to basically chain an insane combo

If theyre not, try your best to vanish behind them and then raid smash, you can get it if you youre clean enough

You'll see the stun when the barrier finishes and the games begin

Also the cell optiomal combo is

Pop out, raid smash and place bang crash

Second you are able to, mash R to get rildo out and then begin eating your spacebar like how our goat did 17 and 18

Because of the slow and stun from raid smash rildo Is guaranteed to hit unless they have LBJ

Then, cell games will trap them and stun them, raid smash them again, and bang crash again.

LBJ can be annoying but if you bait at least one youre good

[urban hamlet]

Use it when you know ssj3 kamehameha is about to hit

[median folio]

Yeah this is the most common use i have for it

Dragon fist, any large non stunning projectile

Literally can eat a bojack ult sometimes, but again, id rather cooler iframe that sht and retaliation bojack into next week

Its why its weird, its useful sometimes but its confusing because it doesn't have a role outside of those niche situations

[raw zealot]

Found out the hard way

It does

[olive mesa]

What cards do yall recommend? I’ve been running build up, steel skin, and wicked warrior

[median folio]

Thats a pretty good build

I find it has the most success against the top tiers and constantly sneaking people in lane changes

[gray herald]

Top cells tend to either run full offense if they’re confident in using all of their tools to survive/if they win the first exchange by a lot, or too easy/either defensive card 2 based on the damage profile of the opponent leaning into skin usually/LBJ-defense step - either red card based on how things are going mid game

If you’re trying full offense, snowball, second red based on if you are brawling or sniping kills, and wicked if you got Nappa and pursuer if you didn’t

[fluid matrix]

What is the level up order

[gray herald]

S1 > s2 > super > s3, make sure to grab them all but you can sort of skip super until you’re perfect tbh

[grizzled kelp]

hey other cell user do you super start big bang crash or do you super start others?

[median folio]

I super start raid smash it allows for the quickest perfect forms since youre able to snipe people from a distance of their entire FOV early game

[shadow dew]

I have just discovered how much fun Cell + Pursuer can be ❤️

[shadow dew]

I normally go Build-up / either Red / ???

I used to go for blue dodge or green dodge but I have found Pursuer to be more threatening

[grizzled kelp]

really? i found backstab to be better because you can get raid smash and big bang crash back in like 1 second which is crazy damage especially when you can jump into a cloud or bush to refresh the card again

[shadow dew]

mmm I might need to try that out. I don't stealth as much as I could, I guess

[kind dome]

I wonder would strategic escape be good for early game cell then you can swap to build up later?

[median folio]

Yup! Its a good option I use pretty consistently

I try to do it against lanes with better stuns, not really necessary if they don't have stuns

[eager pier]

Just did snowball , solid barrier, and defense step

Would of won if someone was playing a bit more defensive

[shadow dew]

I rather go for BUild-up so I don7t have to change later on

[prime ravine]

skill priority.order for cell?

[shadow dew]

some people say S2 is the best early game as you have a lot of range and can easily catch running enemies

[grizzled kelp]

regen and either of his attack skills

[prime ravine]

Okau

[eager pier]

I find regen not to be so helpful since even in early game some characters just burst you out early

Especially when it's a lane where the tank can keep you in place for the dps to do damage

[grizzled kelp]

it's the only skill that allows cell to actually play a tank start of the game before he goes perfect you pop it when you hit half hp

[prime ravine]

In theory yes

But I've been using him and I flat out die before healing fully with it or I just get 1 shot anyways

Especially super start

[grizzled kelp]

you can end it early you know?

[glossy summit]

He has a valid point cause even with the healing you get from it canceling early or not you can still just get nuked again or the healing won’t be enough to sustain you to reach the GOD

Getting s3 early is better than getting s2 but either way cell just struggles starting off depending on the match up

[analog depot]

ik im late to this discussion but i agree, the problem with cell is while his transformed state. is strong, someone like cooler outshines him because cooler is decent pre transformation and relative to transformed or a better way to say, perfect cell which is debatable, or better which is also debatable.

[shadow dew]

Cell +1 vs Cooler +1 only works if your partner is a team player

early Cell is more of an ambush predator rather than a tank

[night garnet]

If ya support is playing like an absent father it's much more difficult u less you get those divine cards popped as early as poss

[urban hamlet]

Is it just me or has cell become bad ever since toppo dropped

I literally cant win a lane against toppo

Because of how fragile cell is

[north zenith]

just run and spam 1st move

[eager pier]

This would be better if the map had a jungle

[kind dome]

Imo cell has kinda been bad or at least struggling for awhile as new characters dropped due to how low HP imperfect cell has dispite being a tank

It feels like most A/S ranks know to bully him and steal his mobs early on to delay his perfect form as long as possible

He needs time but caulifa/cooler are basically at full power kit wise from start to finish

[shadow dew]

tbh I've played a couple of Zamasu and they were suuuuuper tanky and difficult to kill

[urban hamlet]

Won't become perfect cell like and will lose lane farm too

[night garnet]

It will take a spell longer but retreat. The higher rank make use of the oolong card as ya first choice divine card. And don't be afraid to be selfish, you goal is just schluro that energy. When toppo is out l, self preservation, once ya perfect then you can start making up to the low lane support.

[urban hamlet]

@night garnet using cell kinda makes your dps lose too if enemy has caulifla especially

Coz you cant use 2nd skill freely while provoke

[night garnet]

I've not come across that issue personally, but your logic is sound. A certain level of skill based application would be the game changing factor.

[urban hamlet]

I have recently started facing it too myself ever since I reached A1

Especially in super start

Or cell jr

I used to play only cell but now that I have started using vegeta actively I just see how weak his 1st form is

[eager pier]

If jungle was a thing feel like cell would be better

1st would be able to gain some farm and do some sneaky tactics to get kills and bio energy

I mean Cell isn't the only one with bad Early games

Trunks doesn't really do much until he transforms

[urban hamlet]

One thing that's actually good for cell but can only be done in party

Go top lane

So you can become cell faster

I think that's one of the best thing to do

There are so many enemies giving 2-3%

By the time you reach middle you are already 20-22%

[urban hamlet]

But trunks does not need to take a fight intentionally

Its not hard to farm its hard to pick up fights constantly as a fragile character and coming out alive

[north zenith]

u can snipe kais with the run and gun tactic but yes there is less xp overall

i dont usually run and gun anyways since early deaths dont matter as much as mid-late deaths

[urban hamlet]

We both know it's not easy to sniper from cell against 70% of the characters. Also their tanks always cover up the sniping route.

[north zenith]

only with super start in early game with a good dps

[eager pier]

True I normally wait till lvl 5 to engage or when a Boss Spawns cause if anyone is low enough skill one would finish the job

[urban hamlet]

You need the drains not kills though

[bright folio]

just wanted to say cell is the best dps

that is all

[shadow dew]

Finisher Kills give a lot of energy

worth the risk!!

[urban hamlet]

3%

10% drain during fight

[shadow dew]

😮 really?!

well, I guess draining a living enemy gives more energy than draining a dead enemy ahahhaahahaha

[mystic prairie]

I’ve been seeing a lot of Cell lately. How strong is he considered?

[olive mesa]

He kinda sucks early game but once you transform he’s a complete demon

[mystic prairie]

Can see that. He transform after killing a number of things right?

[bright folio]

Nah filling his gauge

[mystic prairie]

And how does it fills?

[bright folio]

Basically his boosted 3rd auto attack drains for bio energy

[mystic prairie]

Got it

[bright folio]

if you grab someone from behind hit fills abit quicker

[mystic prairie]

Wish I took him instead of Hit

[bright folio]

I norm put both 1st 2 lvls into his grab and kinda sneak around to there dps at 1st kai and bully them

Just make sure you kinda back off tho if there tank turns around you ain't that beefy early game

[olive mesa]

I usually put one level into S1 and one into S2

And early on I don’t play for kills, if I’m afraid I’ll die I get my poke and leave

I can usually get transformed at lvl 5 or 6 like that

[mystic prairie]

ngl that looks like an interesting character if you can manage the early game

So like if you pair with someone like SSJ Goku

[urban hamlet]

I have started putting 1 lvl in S3 when against aggressive characters which is helping now

[grizzled kelp]

you were going 1 and 2 at level 3? how do you survive?

[urban hamlet]

I usually went s1>s2>s1>s3/s2>ult>s3/s2

With toppo here now I go s3 early

Since he has hp and can chase

As for survival well play like a rat

[urban hamlet]

I am back as cell baby

Destroying people left and right

[urban hamlet]

@tidal lodge this is the one

[tidal lodge]

Oh so character discussions is for tipps of individual characters?

[urban hamlet]

Kinda

[shadow dew]

Cell's Ult is particularly good at defending towers as you can kinda half people's offense

same with bosses. you can shield the boss to block Freeza or Goku's Ults

just hard to time it properly... but it can be done

[median folio]

Honestly id rather them lean into the barrier side of the ult more

Itd be cool if maybe they had the barrier last another 2-3 seconds and drag the damage over more ticks so you can use it to save teammates

Although this also nerfs cell games so maybe a slowdown or high pressure while youre getting hit?

[halcyon skiff]

u could make it so if you hold it longer it lasts longer

best of both worlds

[shadow dew]

Gentlemen... how do you best use Cell's S3 (Regeneration)?

I have been struggling a lot with the timing of its activation. I use Regeneration mid fight (with rush attacks) to recover more HP, but then comes SSJ3 or A18 and just zero my HP before I can trigger the skill again to recover HP

[long merlin]

I usually time it with their big skills if it’s a burst character

Or ultimates

Eat the rush attacks and get the big health back

[shadow dew]

but like... Regeneration is a 2-press skill. press once to activate, press again to heal (or wait for the timer)

the issue I have is that I often get killed before I have time to press again

or even... the skill doesn't necessarily trigger when I press the first time

I don't know if it's my controller that is bad, or something else can prevent the skill from enabling

[long merlin]

It isn’t cc immure, which sucks. That could be one reason

I personally also use the heal to get an absorption since it inflicts a debuff

[long merlin]

I wanna say it’s a skill issue

I usually double tap early if I’m already around half and take big damage

[shadow dew]

Mmm double tap is a good shout

[thorn cave]

best for s2

[mystic prairie]

If I already have Caulifla unlocked, should I get Cell or Cooler next?

[bright folio]

cell

[prime ravine]

Best way to play Mr green?

[bright folio]

do your best with your s2 early grab poke get out

i norm put 1st 2 levels into s2

so you can bully there dps

also you want to go from the bottom and go behind there dps at 1st kai

[prime ravine]

Got it

[bright folio]

Hope it goes well for ya

[shadow dew]

hug your enemies from behind

S1 then S2 hug

it's important to farm Life Energy early in the game. you do not need to kill enemies for that. just drain them when you are close and disengage so you don't die

Cell is veeeeeery quishy so you need cover from your partner to get Drains and early kills

[royal cedar]

Am I crazy or did cell get shadow buffed, I feel like I'm gaining way more bio energy than usual, I'm above 50% consistently after rhe first fight

[digital forge]

What’s the best skill upgrades to get as you level up

[digital forge]

And also his best super start skill to choose

[visual ocean]

best divine card setup in season2?

[royal cedar]

S2, gives you great bio energy early on and stupidly good range

[royal cedar]

Imo, s2, s3, s1, ult for the blast protection or just s2 again, s2 if you did ult or s1 otherwise, and then work to equal out between s2 and ult or s1 and ult depending on the match up

[royal cedar]

From my games, build up, giant slayer, triple jump. But the meta is full defence right now so for the 3rd defensive step might work too

[visual ocean]

Thx

[urban hamlet]

Build up> solid barrier> limit breaker and switch to defense step in late game

As for skills I go s2>s1>s3>s1/ult>s2/ult

Then s1 max at lvl 8 and s2 max at lvl 10

If enemy has hit then I max s3 first because it removes debuff

Also cell ult is not that useful pre transformation so you are good to go with a skill

Go for ultimate at lvl 5 if enemy has high dps range attackes then pop his ult right when boss have 40% hp left

To prevent all beams from entering

For super start S2 always

[timber mesa]

Why not steel skin though?

[urban hamlet]

Depends upon enemies. If enemies have toppo,gamma etc then steel skin is better

[timber mesa]

Is there quick way to farm the gauge from NPCs?

Like certain moves that help?

[urban hamlet]

No

Hitting 2nd skills from behind enemies nets you 10% drain

On next rush attack

[long merlin]

He did

[fathom solar]

Is this true? I've always heard u should max s1 out first not s2

[urban hamlet]

.

I max s2 occasionally when I know enemy has lots of cowards

Like hit/frieza/picollo/uub rtc

Catch them with the stun and kill them

Mostly what I do to confirm kill is s2>s1>rildo>ult

Better todo this against enemy range dps

[fathom solar]

Yea mb I tagged the wrong thing i meant regarding superstart

But I just had a superstart game and tested your s2 first and it was really good ngl

[urban hamlet]

S2 always

Keep sniping from behind for gains

[proven rampart]

did cel's armor get nerfed?

i feel like it did at some point

[urban hamlet]

Nope

[sturdy shell]

My cell is like a paper to ssj4 vegeta

[fathom solar]

Ss4 vegeta is just stupid tbh

[shadow dew]

you guys struggling with his barrier?

[royal cedar]

Most characters are so attack card cell is kinda a thing of the past ngl

Build up, barrier, triple step is what im running atm

[urban hamlet]

Defensive step is much better on cell now but limit breaker is useful if you wanna catch enemy backliners

[urban hamlet]

Whose?

[digital forge]

What helper is best to use with cell

[royal cedar]

Normally I'd say rildo, but if youre bored of that cabba has a super small cooldown and can help you survive much longer

And i dont approve of rildo so

Cabba

[shadow dew]

whoever was complaining about Vegeta4

[shadow dew]

Cabba has very small range too, which is a bit annoying. I think it works best when combined with Cell Games, or when you are trying to hold your ground and waste people's time for as long as possible

Rildo is amazing to setup kills or evade. you can get some easy kills early in the game when the opponent's HP is about half-way through, you setup Rildo to lock the opponent in combat while you finish them off. not as effective for kills later in the game but effective to allow you to run away

[royal cedar]

Yeah, though I find in early game where cell has no escape and is just feeding bioenergy he can hold on for abit longer if not win the exchange unless youre already playing stealth style

[shadow dew]

you need a decent lane support. you cannot 1:2. the first engagement is tricky. if you are greedy and chase, you may die, unless you have backup

you won't have Rildo for the 1st engagement, but you should have it for the 2nd. you just need to be careful ont to be AoE or sniped by Piccolo while you try to kill the tank. but if you can lock the DPS with Rildo, you are very likely to be able to get that easy kill

I go like S2 + S1 into Rildo. by the time Rildo finishes, you can S1 again for slow down and more damage

[desert rivet]

Is his 1st form supposed to be difficult? Sometimes, but I have 0 trouble with it

Just curious on people's experience here

[pearl thistle]

if you're a greedy sheep, yes.

[desert rivet]

Does he still have issues during it? If so, guess I am 100% careful at that point

I bring Cabba every time I use him

[royal cedar]

Hes one of the most problem carrying characters in the game in 1st form

Priority is always just to farm bioenergy while knowing when not too die greedily and not gain anything from it

Even if you die, if you got 50/60 energy thats better than having low hp, surving, and having 20/30 bioenergy to show for it

[desert rivet]

Noted

[sturdy shell]

No but it superstart and ssj4 vegeta do a push into the wall and i lost half of my hp

[royal cedar]

Thats the opponent vegeta life I fear

Defence card + limit breaking jump and pray

[pearl sky]

Whats's the fastest way to transform with cell and his bio energy mechanic I don't know what triggers it exactly. Is it enemies who are close to dying, so would it be better to farm low hp enemies to get bio drain faster?

[gusty scroll]

He gains it from two ways

First way is from him hitting debuffed enemies

When he hits a a debuffed enemy he gains a stack and he also gets a stack from hitting lower hp enemies

Though I think for the second one it has a cooldown so you can’t basically uber charge from fighting a dude low hp

(I’m not super sure I can check later)

You also gain like 2% per mob you kill

So best way to game is to basically engage with your first skill for the free charge off hitting debuffed enemies

Getting the charge from hitting them when they are below a % then backing off cause your basically waiting on the cooldown of the passive

[pearl sky]

I see

[pearl sky]

Does it have to be a rush attack kill ?

[shadow dew]

when the enemy has target on them, you are ready to DRAIN them. draining is what build up bio energy, not kills

[shadow dew]

2% per DRAIN on farm mobs
apparently 3% on Finisher (when you drain them)

you get more form draining enemies but I don't remember the exact amount

[gusty scroll]

I think it’s like 6% but don’t quote me on that

[shadow dew]

but yeah, the point is that you don't need to KILL for the drain. it's Rush Attack on enemies market with the big yellow square target on them

[gray herald]

WAIT WHAT

[gusty scroll]

Yall didn’t know this?

[gray herald]

Does it have to be your Debuff?

[gray herald]

I thought it was only hp

[gusty scroll]

Nope

Slows in general rly

[gray herald]

Is there a cooldown on that kind of drain?

[gusty scroll]

Yeah

I could maybe try to estimate it in training

But I’m not sure

I noticed it on mobs and when I was getting cell to star 3

[gray herald]

I’ll do the labbing, you just helped me a great deal

[gusty scroll]

You can get two drains off per sight

[gusty scroll]

Try it man

Lots of info needed the devs won’t share

[gray herald]

Do you know what the disengage timer is on a fight?

[gusty scroll]

Again sorry

I don’t know

[gray herald]

All good I can lab it

Just need to know what to test for

[gusty scroll]

You can prob test it in lab

I would say

[gray herald]

This is huge

[gusty scroll]

Get the bot to lower hp then try running around

Start from maybe 5 seconds time

And keep going lower

Find an average maybe

[gray herald]

Knowing exactly when I can transform changes a lot

[gusty scroll]

Lmao it does

That’s why I wanted to suggest a change to cell

Give more charge from fighting enemies

And a small hp buff

[gray herald]

Now if they just make regen not get cancelled by stuns he would actually be top tier

Or an Hp buff works yeah

[gusty scroll]

Make dude have a bigger rewards for risking

Gl

I have a test soon

Tell me what you find

[gusty scroll]

Dude

I was just about to come ask

Lmao

You find anything?

[gray herald]

Lab work done , results are as follows:

Debuff and health drain share an internal cooldown that doesn’t check for in combat status. There is a flat 20 second cooldown to drain on a target, whether it’s because of debuff or hp threshhold

The amount of energy that you get increases with your level and attacks when the enemy isn’t facing you give 50% extra energy.

There is rounding that can happen from Mob energy to where every second mob gives one more energy than the previous at odd number levels.

You can reach 100% from 8 back hits as low as level 2

The best leveling strat might be to scrap in your lane, rotate, poke the other lane, rotate, then finish up in your lane

You can get six procs in like a minute

[gusty scroll]

Wow

I had no idea he gets extra for hitting enemies in the back

Damnit

[gray herald]

Yeah it’s a LOT more

Like 9 from the front and 13 from behind

[gusty scroll]

I was trying to avoid maxing his second skill till last

[gray herald]

You can back hit from debuff too

[gusty scroll]

I just prefer skill 3 max second so much more

[gray herald]

So s1 is still fine

[gusty scroll]

The hp he gains is too good to pass up vs high damage teams

Also damn it

The lower hp drain and debuff are the same cooldown?

Man so your actually a lot more passive than I though

So a strat is just to go hit skillthen run out

@gray herald thx for your contribution

[gray herald]

I’m going to start trying a rotate strategy where I go into the opposite lane on engagements where Zeno is attacking their tower early

[gusty scroll]

Also

[gray herald]

Since tower damage is blunted early game outside of super start, running into the other lane and poking gains a lot of value

[gusty scroll]

Dude a person just posted a good doc

With good estimations of damage scaling on all characters / helpers and cards

I’ll link it

https://www.reddit.com/r/DBGekishinSquadra/s/HNSPx0BoNh

God bless

Do you want the post or the doc itself?

wtf

Did I just read

Bro

The tanky buffet and damage buffet only increase when you leave and re enter it

[gray herald]

It’s a solid start, the formatting could use some assistance but it’s a solid effort

[gusty scroll]

Yeah

If you check the Reddit sever

I did something similar

And did the testing for guardian angel

This game sucks to get exact values for it

Especially with how horrible training area is

[pearl sky]

@gusty scroll @shadow dew appreciate both of you

[median folio]

btw getting a kill gives you about 3%

its not much but if you get the drain and a finish its pretty nice

this does work with duo kills too, doesnt have to be the actual drain animation

im not sure how I feel about raid smash vs regen at the start...

raid smash lvl 1 may have a tiny range but guanrtees a back hit if you get it

i guess its about who you're up against and if you think you'll need that little boost from regen but in my experience, if they were gonna kill you already, regeneration doesnt always make the difference lol

id rather die but get more bioenergy than not die and get none really.

[reef cosmos]

What's cell's best divine combo cards again?

[median folio]

build up, solid barrier, Limit breaking jump

I take backstab sometimes

very good for quick raid smash stuns

steel skin if there isnt a lot of burst damage in the lobby

[shadow dew]

I normally go:
Lvl 1 Build-Up
Lvl 2 Solid Barrier
Lvl 3 Any Red

Reason for Red Lvl 3 is that it allows you to get easier kills after the Ult during Cell Games

[reef cosmos]

Got it thanks

[median folio]

If you are going to do a red card, do wicked warrior

Persuer can work but in a team fight is annoying as hell to setup

Wicked warrior makes you an absolute blender if you get them in the cell games though

I just think backstab and limit breaking give more utility

Backstab especially can result in some funny interactions where you can just dump big bang crashes on an objective by playing around the edge

Same for raid smash, it makes you incredibly difficult to run away from and if you make sure to get in an out quick you can essentially lock down one person from playing the game LMAO

Or you can be a demon and constantly swap raid smash targets on a 3 second cooldown, cover your retreat with a crash and regen and repeat

He is only good as staying in the fight if hes got the rildo cell games combo ready because if you cant isolate someone hes the easiest tank to jump since he has no quick way to either move people or stun them without their backs turned

Cabba can also work really well with cell and if you did cabba youd probably rather have wicked warrior

[shadow dew]

yup. this is my main goal. also works as follow up from S2

[shadow dew]

the only issue is Cell's movement speed, but I completely get what you mean haha. I am not good enough at setting up the stealth attacks tho

[shadow dew]

never tried Cabba before. I find his range is too short

[gusty scroll]

this changes imo

honestly for second card

i like taking giant slayer

its too good to give up especially on such an aggresive tank like cell

[shadow dew]

I'm not entirely sure how the trigger for the Lvl 2 Red cards work. is it based on the HP of the enemy when we engage in combat?

Giant Slayer is also an okay combo with Cell Games, if you open the battle and enemy's HP is >80%... but if you lock someone in below 50%, the other Red is better, no?

[royal cedar]

Honently do yall still play cell or tank in general with vegeta around?

Love playing cell but even when I win its utterly sour when the entire game is just a cycle of getting stunned without anything to do about it especially with gohan around

[shadow dew]

I keep playing Cell, yes

[royal cedar]

I try to but its just such an eye rolling experience when ssj4 is on screen, i stand with my main but GOD DAMN

[urban hamlet]

Why? I feel like cell is better against ssj4 vegeta compared to others

[royal cedar]

Id love to ask how, ealy game with low hp one stun almost gurantees death, and if you get ssj4 into the ult he can stun you againt the walls of the ult for baacially its entire duration

Maybe im missing something but that all seems abhorent

[urban hamlet]

Coz i can stun and bully ssj4 out of lane with my dps

Or you can straight up chase enemy dps and kill them

Also get 3rd skill early

I agree with the ult part though

Cell ult with ssj4 is the worst

[royal cedar]

Early levels even if you grab him he can just turn around stun run away / challenge or barier and retreat, while a good dps would make it easier; i havent been that fortunate

[royal cedar]

For sure

[urban hamlet]

The moment you stun him hit him to get drain then back off

Especially from near wall

Things become crazy when their dps joins the fight too at that time you havw to retreat

Then start jumping their dps

[royal cedar]

Sadly with super start thats almost impossible because of the kicks range

Early levels that will work though

[urban hamlet]

Go with your s2

You need to be aggressive as cell

[royal cedar]

Always do

[urban hamlet]

Hit and run

[royal cedar]

Theres no better option

Alright ill give it some more gos today anyways

[pearl sky]

my question got lost in general chat but can someone tell me what it means when the enemy heros level is in a white bubble and what do the sparks around the player icons mean they show up sometimes

[somber igloo]

Sparks mean their ultimate is off cooldown and ready to be used.

[pearl sky]

awesome. Do you know anything about the number ? I’ll take picture if I can if you know what I’m referring to

[somber igloo]

You mean… their level? I really hope you don’t mean level.

Oh god he means the level. Man. Thats your teammates level.

[pearl sky]

nah lmao. its the enemy team. Its there level but sometimes its in a white circle opposed to the normal color

Usually when they are 2 levels higher. My thoughts is its like a warning system because they have the level advantage

[royal cedar]

Ngl cell is far too frustrating to play atm so im opting just not to play this game until ssj4 and gohan get nerfed cell is so absurdly helpless

[fathom solar]

Got from a4 to s cell only let's go lmao

Idk why but this season I've had way more success on cell than on cooler or ssjgeta even though he's objectively worse

[gusty scroll]

Idk why either

He might have gotten shadow buffed m

[royal cedar]

He did towards how much drain he gets but thats it

He destroys so many lobbies if super start ssj4 isn't in play

Even if his level 3 grab is insane

[urban hamlet]

Did this last season. I am currently a2 as cell

[royal cedar]

Same here

Low a2 cell only

Once those nerfs for the two obvious culprits come in hes gonna feel amazing

[bright peak]

Finally got Cell, teach me your ways to be slightly less subpar senpais.

[fathom solar]

Collect every last hit for drain, scramble as much as possible with s2 to get drain, avoid dying while scrambling, pray they don't focus you, prio farm over everything in solo queue until perfect, make sure to hit your ult on bosses to deny enemy secures

[wintry bay]

What do i do once im perfect cell tho? I feel like i'm just a sponge that soaks up damage and that's it

Like i don't even hit the nasty cc combo all the time i'm just kinda there to soak up damage for my team

[grizzled kelp]

build up and steel skin/solid barrier makes sure you outlast everyone his big bang crash slows them down so they can't run away from the fight and raid smash back grab stuns them while allowing you to get drain heal which also give movement speed down debuff when you do it from behind

[wintry bay]

Yup, that’s what I’ve been doing

Just feels kinda lackluster cuz I’m pretty dependent on my team to kill anything

I’m just kinda there to soak up damage when need be, be emotional support, and constantly slow enemies down

[bright peak]

Well I got from A4 to S today just playing him so I guess I learnt the basics at least

Still, his early game is really miserable, 8/10 times you struggle to contest the first Kaio and lose half HP if SSJ4 hits you against a wall.

And have no idea when to use his 3rd skill, if focused I usually die before it does anything.

[fathom solar]

when they do their skills regardless of if your health is low or high it just soaks and refills damage but make sure that theyve already used up their cc else it just gets cancelled

[fathom solar]

well thats the tank role in general lol

cell already does pretty high damage for a tank and he cant provide cc so hes basically there to catch people with s2 and soak damage for your dps

[shadow dew]

Cell's S1 is kinda CC since it applies Slow Movement and has a decent AOE

because the cooldown is so low, you can re-use it fairly soon

[fathom solar]

well yea he does have s2 and s1 cc obviously for sticking

but i meant compared to like big stun cc characters this season

cough ss4geta ultgohan cough

[shadow dew]

hahahaha yeah, those are ridiculously OP

Cell's grab looks like kids play compared to Vegeta4 and Ult Gohan

[plain dust]

Been grinding cell for memories, what skill should I go for on super start?

[royal cedar]

S2 every time

[bright peak]

why 2 and not 1?

[royal cedar]

2 guarantees far more bioenenergy and overall is his best too early game to transform fast, plus youll have s1 at level 2 or so after level 4 as well

[bright peak]

Didnt knew that, tbh bioenergy acquisition is explained very poorly.

[royal cedar]

Oh no definitely 💀

[bright peak]

You get some when almost last hitting npc with rush and when rushing enemies but idk if you can speed It Up more

[plain dust]

Ahhh so S2 is better for super start? Got it

Very good to know

[royal cedar]

Also happens when the enemy has debuffs applied to them apparently

[royal cedar]

Yessir

[plain dust]

Time to obliterate the low lifes with cellulose

"Check out my perfect form, its PERFECT"

[bright folio]

glad everyone finally saw the light on s2

my advice i gave out awhile ago carried on

[bright peak]

Tbh after trying several times i dont see the difference, energy gather seems so random, I always get 2% to 4% per Minion so if the Game decides to give me 2% all the time It takes forever to teach perfect

[raw zealot]

Once you start the game as cell focus on killing as much npcs as possible to get Energy

Then evolve

And if ur lucky kill some enemy heroes too those are what gives more energy

I fought against some dumb enemies that kept going for god on low hp and on level 5 i got perfect form already LOL

[gusty scroll]

alr again

to explain the bio energy gain

It works like this every character has a 20 second internal cooldwoon for bio energy acquisition

you get bio energy in 2 ways

by hitting them when they have been ccd( doesnt have to be stuns , a slow like from your first skill is fine)

hitting them when they are lower hp gives you bio energy

again once you get it until 20 seconds its basically useless to fight that target cause you get nothing from it

Now you can buff this by 50% by procing the bio energy from behind the target

forexample enemy is running lower hp and you have the passive up , hitting them in stead of giving the normal 5% gives you 50% more instead

so while yeah skill 2 is a good skill max

imo

skill 1 is just my prefered cause the bigger aoe for the slow lets you land skill 2 fast from behind and getting that extra buff

[shadow dew]

correct. bio energy acquisition has nothing to do with actual kills. if your enemy has got a yellow mark/target, he's ready to be absorbed

[wintry bay]

So question about the bio energy. If I absorb bio energy from an enemy hero from a skill, and then I proceed to kill them within 20s that won’t give me bio energy for the kill?

I gotta wait 20 secs to kill them to then get bio energy from their deaths?

Also, why is it that sometimes I’ll get bio energy after a kill and it shows the cool looking animation but I almost never get that cool looking animation of sucking my enemy to death (pause) a second time?

[shadow dew]

nothing to do with a kill. to absorb, you gotta have the yellow mark/target on the enemy, get close, use RUSH ATTACK. this will absorb energy. you can do this without killing the enemy

Finishers give 3% bio energy, but not every kill will give you energy

[shadow dew]

the cool animation is a Finisher on an enemy hero

[coral nymph]

can cells ult block special beam cannon

[bright peak]

all that helped me a lot, ty

[kind dome]

Yes but SBC can go through the cell games arena

[kind dome]

Yo I actually managed to use cell's regeneration to heal off an ult instead of immediately dying

[raw zealot]

How

[gusty scroll]

I think so yeah

[gusty scroll]

To explain cell has two ults

The Sheild/ area that forms when you press the button

And the cell games arena that only happens when someone stays in your ult for extended periods of time

[raw zealot]

I know

I didnt know sbc could go through

[kind dome]

SBC can go through walls and the cell games arena ain't any different

[sturdy shell]

cell is more of drain and run imo, when i play with focusing of raid smash drain and drain others i play better

i use cell with Tao

[kind dome]

Cell buff ideas
#📬submitted-game-feedback message

[blissful heath]

how should i play early game cell to get perfect form as fast as possible?

[wintry bay]

I'm a casual cell player so take my advice with a grain of salt, i like to try doing a lot of hit and run tactics. i go in first to absorb some damage, let my dps get some damage in, retreat and hide in the clouds. Chase with s2 anyone who is running to hopefully get some bio energy and rinse and repeat

And when i say "absorb some damage" the lowest hp I'll allow myself to go is around half health

[surreal pier]

Bro the reason cell is so good is because getting his transformation is really easy and it doesn't acquire level 7 like other heroes such as goku,gotenks,vegeta etc

[royal cedar]

Welllll..

[raw zealot]

Really easy

If your enemies are dumb that always die to you so you get that vital energy faster

[eager pier]

Yeah no

If you fight a smart team they can end up keeping you in base form while they all get level 7

About perfect cell is great but if the gap is too big before you reach perfect he still struggles

[solemn loom]

cuz of drain you can go after snowball, steel skin and pursuer.

Or if u want to protect allies go all grn

[coral nymph]

even if youre steamrolling against cell, cell can transform just by fighting. he doesnt need kills to get a lot of bioenergy

if you go passive on cell then it becomes a bit more difficult for cell to get bioenergy but midfarm belongs to cell's team, as well as the kai most likely

cell is most likely accompanied by gammas or broly, which makes it difficult for the enemy dps to kill him on the down lane

ssj4 is really annoying for cell though because he shields the teammate with the freaking barrier and stuns cell for a rather long time, so cell's dps cant kill the enemy dps to secure things for cell

the biggest counters to ssj4 are broly and cooler, but since cell is a tank, broly is the best dps to play with cell

cell needs BABYSITTING until he transforms, then he steamrolls the duel

cell broly is an awesome duo if both of the players are really good

[wintry bay]

Cell needs no babysitter if it’s jotarokyle playing him tho, that dude is a f***ing maniac on cell

Like if you use s3 really well you might really not need babysitting and could probs dominate decently well, except ss4 kick stuns, but those can be easy to dodge

[royal cedar]

My issue plainly is just his blatant lack of hp round start

A tank, especially with cells kit, should not be that squishy

[spring egret]

whos jotarokyle?

[wintry bay]

If you look at the global leaderboards, he's like top 10 or 20 overall

But everytime i've played against him on tank he likes running cell... and it's a nightmare to play against

Tho you definitely learn alot from his playstyle

[raw zealot]

Oh yea i think i've seen him

I dont know whats all good on him i kicked his butt as Kale

[spring egret]

how can he be terrifying doesnt he have a rough start?

[spring egret]

what cards is he using on cell

playing cell is fun but i have trouble with his start

sometimes im at mid level 7 and still 1st form

[wintry bay]

I don't remember his cards but, next time i see him i'll let you know

[wintry bay]

Imo cell has a rough start based on bad positioning or the enemy dps player is hounding you like crazy

[spring egret]

woah how far r u ranked?

[spring egret]

and how exactly do u mean that?

i mean abt the bad positioning

[wintry bay]

the way jotaro plays is very like if you give him an inch he takes a mile. The second you turn your back is the second he grabs onto you. But it's not like he reacts to you whenever you turn around its more like he predicts it. He knows when it's time to back out and heal or regroup and so he preemptively latches onto you

and then of course he does the usual cell combo

[spring egret]

but how… and btw there are some times where i can rlly much percentage with cell but i never noticed when thats the case do u know when?

[spring egret]

what is the usual cell combo

uh

[wintry bay]

s2/grab and s1/bomb right after to slow em down. Then if you want you can try going rildo for cc and then s2 grab again and s1 bomb again and by then they'll be dead

Sorry wrong reply lol

[spring egret]

oh lol

[spring egret]

for cc?

[spring egret]

should i grab even tho it wont stun or does cell work like that where u always have to perform a stun?

[wintry bay]

Positioning is like you don't wanna leave your dps to solo the enemy tank and vice versa. So either you can make it so both you and your dps are killing the enemy dps or enemy tank faster than the other team

If you have high burst dps then its better if they work their magic and melts someone to gain the upper hand

[wintry bay]

cc i meant as like stun. Something that stuns the player in place to prevent them from escaping

[wintry bay]

You should grab when you think the person is gonna turn around and flee. You might not get it at first but you'll eventually pick up on the rythym or well... the timing of when people feel like they need to run

[spring egret]

sry my wifi is a bit weak

[spring egret]

oh i see

[wintry bay]

And i was playing a game so i couldn't message back lol

[spring egret]

so in a 2v2 both of and my mate should go for either the dps or tank but not both?

[wintry bay]

Also for positioning, what i see a lot of cells do is they play in the clouds as more of the ambush style. Jotaro is the crazy one that does both. Ambush style and upfront in your face style. Like how tanks usually are

He just knows how to best time the high burst dps abilities so that he can safely regen all the health he would've lost to a kale combo or light grenade and stuff

[spring egret]

wait so this is the whole combat of cell? hoping for the enemy to turn back? shouldnt i attack sooner with something else?

[spring egret]

oh 🥲

[spring egret]

sry if i ask so much but im not an s tier or smth if i had to rank my skill level id say like a4- a2

[wintry bay]

It's fine, the whole point of this channel is to ask questions

[wintry bay]

I mean you can always attack with the bomb to initiate, but other than that that's pretty much it

Cell doesn't have much like "long range" attacks, it's all dependent on being up close

And preferably against the enemy when they have their backs turned away from you, makes his s2 into a stun like ability whose cooldown is like what? 5 secs or something?

[spring egret]

btw at the start should i rather focus on leveling or focus on getting the transformation? bc i did a match and when everyone was level 6 or 7 i was level 5 but my transformation was ready

[spring egret]

it was like 2:30 minutes

and btw what is the main goal of cell? in a match

[wintry bay]

You can either be a 3rd dps targeting players or be a tank and just exist to absorb damage for your team

[spring egret]

with tank u mean in like teamfights?

and should i try to use my ult to block like ssj gokus spirit bomb in boss fights or isnt it worth it? should i rather just target goku or piccolo or smth so they cant attack the boss do u mean it like that?

[spring egret]

and btw what rank r u? can i see u in any leaderboard?

i mean if u play against amazing players like jotarokyle then u have to be an s tier probably

[wintry bay]

Absolutely, your ult is especially good for boss secures, it blocks almost all energy blasts including ults. I think piccolo SBC is different tho

[spring egret]

but when the enemy uses an ult before my ult like toppos where is does more than 1 hit all the other hits of his ult wont be blocked either?

[wintry bay]

By tank I mean the literal definition of most tanks in games. Your sole purpose is to absorb the damage your glass cannon dps and technical would have taken so they don’t die and you only take like half health tops

[spring egret]

bc sometimes i got the feeling that even tho i hit my ult my enemies landed them

[wintry bay]

I’m S rank, but I’m not in any of the leaderboards

[spring egret]

oh

[spring egret]

so if the glass canon gets attacked i have to step in to like save him or smth?

[wintry bay]

That’s only if they were inside the range of your ult, if they’re outside nothing gets in. If they’re inside you can still steal boss, it’s what I’ve done to counter annoying cells ults lol

[spring egret]

OHH

[spring egret]

but wait if thats so isnt it better to let the ult be lvl 1? i mean then the range is smaller

[wintry bay]

I mean…up to you. Do you think you can do a 1v4 clutch on your own? It’s usually in your best interest to keep your allies alive. They do damage and you do your thing

[spring egret]

hm

[spring egret]

it sounds way easier in theory tho

[wintry bay]

But like again, you can also go triple reds, you won’t be tangy and can die often but you’ll do a crap ton of damage. I think 4 snowball stacks triple reds is enough to one round or two rounds of combos within first encounter of cell

[wintry bay]

Yeah, that’s valid too. But it’s dependent on what you wanna use your ult for. For boss secure the smaller one is probs better but for defending your tower the bigger one would be better. As it makes everyone wanna run out of range of you

[spring egret]

wait i should go for triple red?

[spring egret]

oh i see maybe i shouldnt lvl ult until the 3rd or 4th boss

[wintry bay]

Again, up to you. I told you there are two common paths I’ve seen ppl play cell. Either super tanks with all greens or a hard hitter with triple reds

[spring egret]

oh ive been using snowball, barrier (the other green if im perfect before my 2nd card) and double vanish

[wintry bay]

Yeah that’s fine, whatever suits you best go for that

[spring egret]

is cell rlly that versatile? tbh ive never used any other combo on him

[wintry bay]

I mean, it’s whatever suits you best. Some ppl like going full damage on tank cuz they have the health to supplement that. Others like going tanky af so they never die

Up to your play style tbh

[spring egret]

i like when im more of a dmg dealer but if im going for that route how do i have to play with cell

[spring egret]

and btw i slowly start to understand cells absorb more

if i use for example that blast move then a mark will appear which activates if i do a sprint attack which is quite simple but the thing is that when u absorb enemies then for every enemy u get 9-10 percent and i counted that u can mark them with the absorb mark again after 20 seconds for every enemy each

[royal cedar]

Yooo no buffs gang how are weeeee

[grizzled kelp]

better then dabura

[tulip parcel]

Best three card for cell ? And playstyle ?

[royal cedar]

With this season and how butchered build up got im kinda siding towards regeneration (the green card)

[royal cedar]

Tried regen, giant slayer, defence step and was extremely impressed with cells performance

He might be back chat

[grizzled kelp]

there is no regen card???

[still rune]

Too Easy. The other first green card

Man i wish i just ignored all the Tier lists and playerd Cell earlier. He really is the best tank in solo queue

[grizzled kelp]

the reason literally nobody used Too Easy is that it barely gives any extra hp that last for 2 seasons takes literally 30 whole seconds to start working in comparison to every other green card if it actually gave permeant low level regen people would use it

[still rune]

shrug i didn't know you were being sarcastic. Just trying to be helpful.

New to Cell and I've been using build up (though i did see one strong opponent use Too Easy and it got me wondering)

[grizzled kelp]

i wasn't being sarcastic i was confused and the reason you seen people use Too Easy is because the auto card pick for some reason has it picked for 60% of the characters if they don't give lightning flash instead

[spring egret]

@wintry bay are u there? id like to ask smth

[wintry bay]

Whats up?

[spring egret]

whats the card meta looking like?

or dont u know either yet?

[wintry bay]

idk honestly

I'd have to ask other expert opinions to give you a good answer

[royal cedar]

From what I've seen most people go for snowball at the start and then the other two slots for defense cards

For cell? Idk his lack of no obscure on regeneration is so bad 😭

[edgy knoll]

Is Cell's rush attack heal limited or is it higher if WW is up?

[wintry bay]

You know thats a really good question

[urban hamlet]

Limited

[meager crescent]

He needs a buff so fun to play

[edgy knoll]

I wanna like Cell, but if the start ends up rough by not getting the first win in the team fight it feels super horrible. Like trying to catch up feels nearly impossible.

Catching ppl when they are trying to run though just feels soo... 🤌

[coral nymph]

uhh yeah until someone pulls up with gammas or broly

cell loses 80% of his hp when gammas hit him with skill 1

and broly just ignores whoever might be protecting him

[royal cedar]

Honestly with how the seasons is and Regen is ive favoured ignoring regen at the start again cuz of stuns and such, switching betweennultra aggressive and passive grabs based on the fight

I no longer its JUST playing sneaky anymore

Depends on which characters you go against ofc

Like against broly regen is a must since he has armor

[forest nest]

He can anyone tell me everything about cell

[full willow]

What are the best Divine cards?

[edgy knoll]

Man, Cell makes me feel useless. IDK wtf happened and why he feels so bad to me atm.

[royal cedar]

For me cell has been doing extremely well with the new season, it just heavily depends on your dps

If youre laning with trunks or kale just leave the game immediately its an L

But my ranks are also being thrown because a game likes to have bots in it for some reason and then treat it like its your fault

[edgy knoll]

I just chalked it up to me not playing him enough to know what to do in certain situations.

If I have an agressive partner, I seem to do great. When I dont have have to play defensively, I suck.

[royal cedar]

It does depend alot on who your partner is and who youre playing against

There is no one strategy that works for every game

[raw zealot]

I have gone using Build up giant slayer and Wicked warrior on him

And change Giant slayer to prepare to die on late game

It seems to work very well

[stray mantle]

i love cell :3

thatsall i had to say

[worthy notch]

Is it worth to max skill 3 early?

[stray mantle]

absolutely lol

thats the blast right?

without a doubt his best move

using that with his grab is so annoying for other people

because its just a damage onslaught atp

blast first, grab next

but def max skill 3

[worthy notch]

I was wondering because his regen can easily get disrupted

[stray mantle]

yeah no dont upgrade regen at all

lmao

skill 2 and 3 are your best bet

then upgrade ult

[worthy notch]

Ok

[stray mantle]

regen is js more of a tool u use when running away

not mid fight

itll get u killed pretty fast

and literally do not engage in fights as imperfect cell

u wont get to play the game that way

farm farm farm

[royal cedar]

Ill do this but with defense step with all the aoes but it also depends on the team

It very much depends on who youre versing not only for cards but also which skills you pick at first

Cuz regen plus grab is a must against broly or ssj3

You can get away with not using regen against vegito or 18 but its risky

Especially if your teammate is not extremely self sufficient

[raw zealot]

Tbh i always get the grab for last

I usually on start i get The heal and the explosion skill

On super start i Max out the explosion

[stray mantle]

y'all really start with regen?

it also might be due in fact that i simply love annihilating people who attempt to run

[royal cedar]

Really? I find its the best thing for drain and results in the most damage

[raw zealot]

Cuz hes really squishy early game

Has low hp

Thats why his heal helps for that

[mint dust]

So how do I play this dude without being a fraud 😭

I’m understanding he is kinda useless early game so I’m guessing u either sneak in hits every now and then with ur lane partner or just farm as much as possible

Also is his regen really worth putting levels in? I’ve noticed that it does help a bunch with survivability but idk if u want it higher than level 1

[grizzled kelp]

only put points into it after the other 2 skills are level 2 and ult is level 1

[unborn anvil]

Can cell cook with spopovich?

Haven’t used him at all since SV, and he was my tank goat in S2

Cause I feel it’ll help with cells S2 brining them back in

[unborn anvil]

Fr do your best to S2 from behind constantly, that into S1 is so much damage. And yes S3 is good when you are getting hit but don’t use it too late cause it gives hp once it’s mini countdown is finished

[royal cedar]

Meh, in my experience its either rildo, spopo, but best of all caba since you can use it early game and get more bulk to farm drains and have presence despite his hp

[iron basin]

buff regeneration

[stray mantle]

PLEAAASE

[solid swift]

arguably one of the best tanks rn

but id like to see it made easier to tell when I'm getting damage/health/armor increases from the bio energy I've gathered

[runic garden]

what do you do against vegito. do we just back stun and pray?

[unborn anvil]

That’s what you should do for cell, stun and pray he can finish someone

But clouds and get behind and S2-S1, and S3 when you’re getting hit works for me

[quaint pike]

Skip it entirely until level 10

[outer flax]

He my goat but🥀

https://tenor.com/view/saibamen-yamcha-dbz-gif-15067242038020165323

[wintry bay]

And that’s why cell should be nerfed

Decrease his grab range and give him kale’s amount of health from lvl 1

[solid swift]

hater detected opinion rejected

[royal cedar]

"Just make him the worst character in the game" 😭💀

Considering the state of the game I wouldn't be suprised if they did this tbh

[outer flax]

Wtf

[outer flax]

Bro never wants to see cell in a game again🥀

[left ibex]

Im feeling Cell so strong right nos

[wintry bay]

Absolutely, do you have any idea how annoying it is to go against elby boxus or psychomantis on cell??? It's the worst experience... EVER

[outer flax]

You might js be ahh vro idk tho🥀

[wintry bay]

Maybe, but my excuse is that they're top 100 global players and therefore its not that i suck too much but they're just too good 🤫

[outer flax]

Yes they’re top 100 of course they’re good i thought you were talm bout ordinary mfs

[outer flax]

Wait a minute what rank are you gng

[wintry bay]

S rank

[wintry bay]

Nah man, I’m talking about top ranked players. Cell at those levels is actually so toxic like I hate playing against cells. It’s so bad

Nerf the character to oblivion please 😭

[outer flax]

Yeah Thats fair(still shouldn’t be nerfed btw)

[outer flax]

He’s debatable top 5 worst characters in the game gng

[wintry bay]

Yes and no, like if they nerf his grab range in exchange for extra health I’d be fine with that. The grab is just so toxic cuz his combo makes it pretty impossible to escape cell. I either need to kill him or die myself to escape

[grizzled kelp]

Imperfect cell is top 5 worse characters perfect cell is top 2 tank

[urban hamlet]

Get it lvl 4 and live life peacefully

[outer flax]

Tru but IYO who is top 5 worst?

[grizzled kelp]

No order Frieza, 18, ssJ vegeta, ssJ gotenks and for top 1 worse is dabura. imperfect cell is number 6 because he's attached to his perfect self.

[outer flax]

Reasonable

[outer flax]

I used 18 to get from A1 to S but after i immediately stopped playing her

[urban hamlet]

Why frieza and gotenks?

Frieza can be countered easily but he is one of the best defender after the recent buff

[grizzled kelp]

They adjusted zarbon (the best part of Frieza with ULT number 2) and slightly increased dodoria damage and knocked 2 seconds but that doesn't change that Frieza is one of the worse characters right now.

[grizzled kelp]

Also I don't even have to say anything about gotenks

[urban hamlet]

I am curious about gotenks

Since i have not used him personally

But i have not had any trouble against him too

[grizzled kelp]

his skill 2 literally does nothing and they have been constantly nerfing his kit since they released him.

[urban hamlet]

True, you can just vanish away

[sinful hare]

Guys, pray for Cell buffs.

[grizzled kelp]

add semi-perfect thats the only buff he needs otherwise he's perfect

[outer flax]

Yeah that would help him a lot for early game

[unborn anvil]

I think Cell needed S3 no obstruction. I think it’s a hit or miss for the idea of a quicker/less bio energy needed to transform. Sometimes you can get him at Lv 6 but sometimes Lv 7 I’m still not ready yet. And 1st form def needs more cause the difference in transformations in damage in immense

[vernal pollen]

Out of all the things they could buff for cell they buff his ult

Are we serious

[solemn loom]

he was perfect already

[urban hamlet]

His ultimate is really strong now

[grizzled kelp]

it was always strong

[urban hamlet]

I know but it's even better

You can effectively catch enemy dps in now because they have less time to run

[prime ravine]

How's cell now with the skill 2 reduced cooldown mode?

[left ibex]

Define terrorism with other word

piccolo wasn't enough strong to defeat that cell in the anime

[prime ravine]

Lmao fair

The cooldown is like 1 second now

[unborn anvil]

Well with the new npcs he can easily get his transformation before 1st boss, loving cell still to this day

[outer flax]

Him and trunks will always be my goat until TOS

[sand dune]

So question, which cards should I be using on him?

[silk helm]

Is he better than cooler?

[keen lark]

I use snowball, too easy, or build up, steel skin and defense step

[vernal pollen]

No

Well actually

Imo he’s way more fun than cooler and I don’t struggle with cooler at all

[silk helm]

@vernal pollen good

[unborn anvil]

I do that but instead of defense step I go guardian angle if I go 3rd green, that with S3 is good for absorbing damage and damage to allies too which has helped noticing my allies hp isn’t near 20% in like boss mayhems

[kind dome]

Wow I'm probably never gonna see this in a real match
#✨game-moments message

[keen lark]

What skill do you guys max out first with Cell?

[outer flax]

Skill 2 every time

S2,s1,ult,s3

[unborn anvil]

S1

[raw zealot]

S1

Its just so good

[keen lark]

S1 is the super big bang?

[vernal pollen]

Yes

[outer flax]

Dam never knew the cell strat changed😔

[keen lark]

Got an MVP with Cell

My DPS went bottom so I went up with Hit and we cooked

[unborn anvil]

If you know how to play predator cell you’ll cook, cause he needs that S2 stagger/speeddown and drain

I love it when people run away cause that is what cell wants

[unborn anvil]

Wait why you say S2

[outer flax]

Back in season 1 i would cook with super start s2

Prolly bout 40 sum wins with s2 focus

[keen lark]

They run from me all the time it’s funny

[raw zealot]

Oh shi

Tokai teio

[keen lark]

Heyy

[raw zealot]

I prefer daiwa scarlet tho -3-

[keen lark]

Completely understandable

[silk helm]

How do I transfom faster?

[urban hamlet]

Not good

In early game

In mid to late game it's amazing

[raw zealot]

Have dumb enemies who just dies to u a lot lol

U get a lot of life energy killing enemy heroes

[silk helm]

So I should try to kill more?

[raw zealot]

ur squishy at first

So u gotta like

Try to Finish when they're low hp

Its what i do atleast

[unborn anvil]

If you’re ever dps and paired with cell please save some kills on npcs, at least early game

[urban hamlet]

3-4% upon kill animtion

[lapis shard]

Buff imperfect cell por favor

Idc what yall say fighting better tanks as imperfect feels like pulling fingernails

[outer flax]

Real

[vernal pollen]

Keep in mind the perfect form isn’t that good aswell so idk why they made the imperfect form so weak

The devs just don’t try to understand how their game works nor do they care

[keen lark]

Make an adjustment where you auto transform at 50% bio-energy (it doesn’t give i-frames but it does knock enemies back), then at 100% you can transform into perfect cell as normal.

Rush attack when Drain activates can heal more HP, and make it happen more frequently post-transformation

Skill 1 can get a slight damage buff

Skill 2 can get a slight damage buff

Skill 3 can get stun immunity and slightly better heal

Super Attack can get a slight damage buff, and add an all attack up effect while in the Cell games

Overall buff can be base HP increase

That’s what I’d do for Cell

What do yall think?

[mystic prairie]

He’d finally be what he should be

Perfect

Cue the DBZ Abridged song!

[keen lark]

P is for 'Priceless', the look upon your faces. E is for 'Extinction', all your puny races. R for 'Revolution', which will be televised. F is for how f**ked you are, now allow me to reprise... E is for 'Eccentric', just listen to my song. C is for 'Completion', that I've waited for so long! T is for the 'Terror', upon you I'll bestow... My name is Perfect Cell. And I'd like to say...

Hello.

[mystic prairie]

DBZ Abridged Cell is the goat

[keen lark]

If only Cell was as goated in-game as he is in the show

I run Snowball, Steel Skin, and Defense Step with him

[mystic prairie]

“Alright, North City is to the west, East City is to the North, and South City is… also to the North. Where the f__k am I?”

[mystic prairie]

He needs snowball unless he does no damage I suppose?

[keen lark]

I just run it for the vibes

He does good damage late game

I just want more bc I’m a greedy w**re

[mystic prairie]

That tracks given the big sucks he gives early game

[keen lark]

Mmmhmm such delicious bio energy

[mystic prairie]

New meaning to “give me your energy”

[chilly furnace]

I recently had a match where's my buu came bottom with me I already gave up on winning but it was s2 cooldown so buu was able to almost infinitely sustain me I ended up getting so much bioenergy that I got my transformation at lvl 4💀

[keen lark]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-shikimoris-not-just-cute-shikimori-teaser-licks-gif-25618716

[mystic prairie]

Hold up, let them cook

[keen lark]

I need a big, strong man’s bio-energy