#Concept - The Ancient Saiyan, Shallot [UPDATED]

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violet sun
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~ 🔥 Shallot [Multi-Transforming Unit]

Role: Damage
Explanation: Shallot levels up mid-match, transforming through SSJ forms with stacked passive boosts. A unit that specializes in follow up combos in order to deal significant damage and chase down opponents. However, if your skills are evaded you will suffer the consequences.

~ 🌟 Passive: Combo Card
While using Rush Attack, fill up a meter that after some time will allow Shallot to follow up with a knockback strike after the final hit of a skill. The knockback should be sufficient to not guarantee a follow up on Shallot's end.

~ 🔥 Transformations
Transforming grants permanent stat boosts:

  • SSJ2 (Lv. 7): Increased Movement Speed
  • SSJ3 (Lv. 9): Increased Damage Reduction
  • SSJ God/Blue (Lv. 11): Increased Rush Damage, Skill 1 → Wild Blitz

~ 🟦 Skill 1 – Wild Crash

A 3-hit melee advancing combo ending with a knockback strike. As the move upgrades, the range of effect grows in size and grants more knockback.
Cooldown: 6s
Replaced by Wild Blitz in SSJ God.

--- 🔁 [Replaces Skill 1 in Super Saiyan God]

~ 🟦 Wild Blitz

Rushes enemy with a kick and punch, knocking them back. Will deal great damage and knockback in two parts. Evade before the second hit and you will be able to counter attack Shallot.
Cooldown: 8s

~ 🟥 Skill 2 – Relentless Assault

Shallot dashes toward the targeted enemy with an aura around him and unleashes a rapid barrage of punches and kicks. As the move upgrades, it will travel faster and deal move damage.

  • If the enemy evades before Shallot reaches them, the skill is canceled with no damage. [Can be cancelled if Shallot uses vanish]
  • If the enemy evades during the barrage, they break free immediately and Shallot is vulnerable briefly.

Cooldown: 12s
Strategy: High damage if fully connected, requires timing and prediction.

~ 🟨 Skill 3 – Ki Barrage

Shallot fires a rapid volley of small ki blasts in a forward line. As the move upgrades they will travel faster, farther and the move will last longer.
Strategy: Multiple hits with moderate total damage. Shallot should not be able to move or redirect with this attack. It is made with the intention of giving him an obvious weak spot in his offense.
Cooldown: 14s

~ 💥 Ultimate – Super Wild Cannon

~ 🟡 Super Wild Cannon

Shallot locks onto an enemy and dashes towards them with a knockback punch, then follows up with punching a green/yellow ki sphere formed with his other hand, firing a large energy wave forward.
Cooldown: 45s

stone roost
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Surprisingly no wild cannon

stone roost
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Never mind

arctic marsh
# stone roost Surprisingly no wild cannon

Shallot: Hi Jotaro Kujo from [Jojo's Bizarre Adventure]
🤝
Jotaro: Hi Shallot from [Dragon Ball Legends]

[They both proceed to steal their opponent's special move 🗿]

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(I'm dead serious btw 🗿 it'd be hella funny if Gekishin Shallot's Ult is literally the ult of the last enemy he defeated. OR wild cannon if no enemies have been defeated yet)

violet sun
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I disagree. It'd be cool if someone else had this mechanic like someone who's entire moveset revolves around this, like Android 21 who needs more rep

arctic marsh
peak flower
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If shallot can steal ults, then he should be technical instead of attacker with just that feature alone

Android 21 being technical on top of stealing/copying moves suits her a lot more

I've yet to see either a technical or a tank role with ults that's buffs/heals only, so if shallot "manages to steal" those ults, then he ain't playing attacker in that instance

violet sun
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YES THANK YOU

peak flower
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As much as I like the concept, there's a lot to nitpick abt it, there should only be 4 skills (ult included)

Having multiple transformations disrupts his overall balance considering how transformation itself functions (restoring health aside from the upgrade), give it 4 more times on top of his ultimate that does the same thing even if it's a one-time thing (unless you make it the same as the other forms but we're making that a full 5 transformation)

He's basically a tank that deals attacker damage

violet sun
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I had forgotten that it’s 3 skills with the ultimate. I’ll change that up but the transformations are for buffs only, it doesn’t give health back. The only one that does this will be super saiyan god as its his fourth and final transformation unless you use the super saiyan blue format which then his fourth will be super saiyan blue which again his ultimate form would be the only one to give him health.

peak flower
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Since he's a transforming unit, what form takes up the "transforming" skill because you can't use the other ssj forms with it due to the nature of the transformation skill itself (alr stated before)

Considering blues (and other more popular forms) are reserved for future chars, it's better to give shallot the god form (to give it more rep)

So let's scratch the ascension thing and give the transformation skill ssj god instead

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Using dragon ball legends gameplay as the base, he'll have 4 skills (ofc) corresponding to the 4 cards in the game

Skill 1 (red) - a close range phy attack
Skill 2 (yellow) - a long range ki attack
Skill 3 (green) - a dash grab/throw that buffs for a set duration (throw trajectory is based on movement wheel)
Skill 4/Ultimate (blue) - Wild Cannon
Transformation Skill (Main Ability) - Super Saiyan God

As much as I would like to add rising rush, it'll only work as the finisher animation

Let's use this as the base instead and then add what makes him unique from other chars

violet sun
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I don't think you understand the moveset mate. He would transform as if he would be one of the super saiyan characters like Goku, Vegeta and Caulifla but his ultimate would be locked until he reaches level 13(SSJ3) which then allows him to transform into SSG(His ultimate BEFORE turning SSG which then gets replaced by Wild Cannon). I only put the ssj blue part for people who like it more, instead of having to transform into ssj1 just have him skip into ss2 and the ultimate would make him turn into ssj blue instead of god being the level 13 transformation, replaced ssj3. Trying to tell me to scratch a concept I thought of is just taking it too seriously as well 😭

peak flower
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"Transforms as if he would be one of the super saiyans like goku..."

The transformation button is what makes them transform, that's what heals them to full health, so having 2 transformation buttons, one that's the normal route and the second locks another transformation that does the same thing on top of replacing the ult button with an actual attack ain't balanced

I'm helping you streamline the concept based on the features/game mechanics that they've made so far and what embodies shallot/legends gameplay but y'all wanted mechanics that doesn't make sense

peak flower
# violet sun I had forgotten that it’s 3 skills with the ultimate. I’ll change that up but th...

This already breaks their transformation mechanic rule

If you're deciding that the transformation button (from ssj2-god) doesn't give them health but gives immunity with each transformation (just removing one mechanic but not all)

Then the ult is the "actual" transformation button (immunity+heal) that changes from transformation to a proper ultimate attack

It's so easy to abuse that immunity if players learn shallot enough

languid violet
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Cookery

solar panther
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I agree with Nikoru. Despite how cool it might look on paper, it's better to keep it simple by having only one transformation, on the dedicated input, and having a normal ult available from level 5 like anyone else. Balancing characters and making them fun to play in any session is what must prevail.
Your concept is already having an issue by the sole fact the character has no ult before lvl 13, and that the game is made so that it will be rare to have a session long enough to reach that level.
One of the core concepts of making video games fun to play, is that most of the time the simpler is the better.

peak flower
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Finally someone who also takes proper game mechanics into consideration instead of skull emoting and not elaborating as to why they disagree

violet sun
# solar panther I agree with Nikoru. Despite how cool it might look on paper, it's better to kee...

If the ult is the issue, I don’t see how just adding it to the transformation would be an issue. The point is that at God he would get a good amount of buffs considering how the whole point is that he gets stronger the more he transforms. This is if wild cannon is available like the other ults in the game which makes sense. God would just not be available until level 13 or something not as much considering how you mentioned it would be rare to have in matches(It could depend on how much the player farms in that game but I’ve had matches where I get to level 15). I was considering this though bc I would want to use Wild cannon more often than not. Just god being the main transformation doesn’t sit with me as the whole point is for him to farm as much as possible to get to his best form

violet sun
# peak flower Finally someone who also takes proper game mechanics into consideration instead ...

Not only did you literally tell me to scratch my concept but you also just didn’t understand what I’m going for, you just argued for no reason. Pipe down bro 😭
talking about things like invulnerability frames and healing when I literally clarified those things to you. The only reason that the transformations have invulnerability frames is because there’s a cutscene for the player when they use it. If that’s what you’re so upset about then finishers are the most busted thing in this game. Make it make sense

peak flower
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Bro really tryna bend the rules of the game mechanics here, nah you win if you want it that much.

Transformations invulnerability=finishers invulnerability? Just crazy (not even taking into account how different they are mechanically).

violet sun
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Are you good? 😭

peak flower
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We would've had goku up to UI if we're following your rules of transformation, nah I'm good

violet sun
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😭

peak flower
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😭

violet sun
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You clearly don’t get why I wanted multiple transformations mate

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I’m not making any transformation rules, this is a gimmick character

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And that gimmick just so happens to be what he’s literally made for

peak flower
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How are you gonna change the transformation button then if he has multiple transformations? That's the whole point

I get why you wanted it, it doesn't work on the game's mechanics unless they change the system entirely

violet sun
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You’re not getting it

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And you clearly didn’t read what I sent to Luwae

peak flower
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I don't need the explanation for the god transformation, what I need is for the previous forms before the god

violet sun
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????

peak flower
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Level specifc=Ssj2-god then ult=blue

I'm talking about your level specific forms not the ult=blue form

Bro's confusing my question for luwae

violet sun
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What about them do you need explaining??? You’re not asking me anything

peak flower
violet sun
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Bro there’s no way 😭

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That’s the least thing to worry about. If you want it to be with iframes which I probably would anyway bc of the cutscene and gives heals so be it it literally doesn’t matter. The point is that he’s a multi-transformation unit

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Whether it’s on the same button or not or whatever it doesn’t matter

peak flower
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It doesn't matter? Aight then😭

violet sun
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Clearly, you’re not getting it bro 😭

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You’re again nitpicking about things that don’t even affect the moveset just parts of the game that can just be set as they are already. Whether he gets heals or not, it doesn’t change the fact he has multiple transformations

peak flower
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Oh I get the multi-transformation since the beginning, but you're not incorporating it to the game's mechanics well so I either scratch it/trying another way but it doesn't matter anyway so nah

*Integral parts of the game to be specific for transforming units, else they could've just done this to most chars with multiple transformations if they wanted to

violet sun
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What isn’t being incorporated well? The fact that the transformations heal? That’s the LEAST worry I had. At least Luwae brought up a good point with the ult being an issue without losing their mind over it and nitpicking about health of all things and how he would have no ult unlike the rest of the cast

peak flower
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I could easily point that out but I'll leave that to someone else or even you to realize it based on the renounced moba games as a reference

Heck they could do that with the proper execution

Locked ults with specific conditions? Not a new mechanic in mobas

violet sun
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If you’re so confident about it I’d like you to because your points make no sense. You’re just talking about health and invulnerability. That is it

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You also keep missing the point when you mentioned having other characters have multiple transformations when they’re not only based on specific arcs of dragon ball but also wouldn’t make sense. They would have to transform almost every level to get from Base Goku to UI

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What Luwae brought up makes sense because IT DOES leave shallot without an ult but I wanted that to be the point. Maybe the requirement is lowered or maybe he just can’t enter god until later into the match with again a level requirement but still having access to his prior forms and wild cannon

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If you’re going to nitpick about health and invulnerability and insult me for zero reason on my experience with mobas. It’s not going to get you anywhere and I’d rather you shut your trap and do it yourself if you’re really going to be that annoying about it

peak flower
violet sun
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It is simple he literally just transforms back to back. Nothing else is different 😭
There’s no comeback mechanic it just gives him buffs like everyone else and heals him and give him iframes for the cutscene
You’re not making any sense

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Everyone heals from transformations as well so I don’t see again why you’re nitpicking about it so much?
And again just avoiding to explain anything at all for the fifth time probably

peak flower
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So when engaging, you're now at a low health against your enemy, transforming gives you a full health (even if it's a one-time thing) isn't a comeback mechanic?

I've had a whole section back there explaining

"Everyone heals so idk why you're nitpicking" make it x4 separately (you already said it doesn't give them health only buffs but that's the thing)

You're still going at it when the bottom line is "it doesn't matter?"

violet sun
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I’m trying to explain this to you because you don’t get it 😭
If you want to sit there and not read that’s fine by me bro. Whether he heals or not he transforms anyway that’s the point. He gets buffed for transforming because he needs to work for it to get stronger because he is weak

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We’re just going to keep going back and forth because you REFUSE to explain what you have wrong with these transformations. Whether it’s the health either he heals or not it doesn’t matter because it’s either one or the other I’m surprised you’re not nitpicking about the buffs considering how health is bothering you this much for you to type here for a month straight

peak flower
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"Refuse to explain" I just did for "a month straight"

But "it doesn't matter"

"Bothering you this much", nah you're here with walls of texts so who's the more bothered one?😭

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Funny how you specified their dragon ball arc centric moveset when they could easily make shallot stay in base like in sparking zero😭

violet sun
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Clearly you mate I’m trying to explain my concept that your tried to scrap

violet sun
peak flower
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Nah, just super saiyan is enough, you're the one embarrassing yourself thinking they'll add all his forms

violet sun
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How is this embarrassing myself 😭
Sharing my creative vision isn’t allowed? God forbid someone had ideas

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You’re just insulting now for no reason pipe down

peak flower
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Damn the gaslighting, I'm just throwing back with what's established by them that's crazy

violet sun
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What gaslighting 😭

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You can keep talking mate I’m not doing this anymore 😭
You can keep chatting without asking me what you want answered

peak flower
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*Specifies why they have their forms cuz of arcs

*Throws back with shallot staying in base form if they wanted to

*That's a dumb idea you're embarrassing yourself

*Throws it back again with multiple forms

*God forbid someone have ideas

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😭

solar panther
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What i was saying about the transformation not being the ult was having only one transformation

violet sun
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They did make him have no forms in sparking zero that’s why he was a bland character within the game. What makes him remotely interesting and under represented is that he’s the only other saiyan that can attain the god forms and is DIRECTLY related to the saiyan of legend

solar panther
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There's no point in having 3 transformations on one character in this kind of game

violet sun
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Why’s that

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I’d genuinely like to know

solar panther
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Even on Legend, they limit you to one transformation at a time

peak flower
peak flower
violet sun
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LET HIM SPEAK

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My god

violet sun
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Whether he has god as an ult or not, I’d like to see him work in a way that he farms to attain a stronger power as he fights

solar panther
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You could have the other forms as a skin, but i don't see the point in having all of it on one session, in a way that is pleasant for the player, after the first time playing him is done

solar panther
violet sun
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I was just about to say without the basic level up in mobas

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Because he’s get different buffs from it and gets even a different move

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Wild Blitz

violet sun
solar panther
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But frankly, the time you spent transforming, on a session that last usually 5 minutes, it's breaking the rythm

violet sun
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The rhythm of farming?

solar panther
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The rythm of the game

violet sun
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By just having multiple transformations?

solar panther
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Transforming one time, when it's giving you back health, it's a special moment in the game

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But having to do it 4 times

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In one game

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That's just way too much wasting time

violet sun
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A waste?

peak flower
violet sun
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It’s either or

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Again

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Either or

solar panther
# violet sun A waste?

A session last usually between 3 minutes and 5 minutes, transforming takes usually about 15 seconds between starting the animation and the end of it

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You'd lose a whole minute of game time

violet sun
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I see I see

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I’m quite surprised honestly. I don’t think I’ve had sessions that short I’ll be real

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Maybe like a couple minutes more tops

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If it’s for the time, I can see why giving him less transformations would benefit but I can’t see it as just one. Having him as the only other saiyan that can attain the god forms is just a waste of material

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Even then maybe shorter animations for the ssj forms could work since they can just be a small burst of power type of animation and boom you can keep playing

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This is if it’s about the time spent during the transformations

solar panther
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It could work better, but i still think it would be better to just go for one form

violet sun
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Why’s that

peak flower
violet sun
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If it’s for the sake of simplicity, again. The concept is simple, it just gives him more forms for him to gain buffs from. Having him farm to get these forms and get even stronger as it goes on

solar panther
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And you gotta consider that people gonna have to do it, all the coding, the animations, making it work without bugs for every situation

violet sun
solar panther
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If you want them to pick your concept, you gotta keep it simple, or they're gonna choose simpler concept to adapt

violet sun
violet sun
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Kind of just a shout as to the idea of having characters like this rather than it just being shallot because I can definitely see characters having more than one transformation or other gimmick forms like techniques and things of the sort like Majin, UI and UE(Maybe even a Buu that the more he absorbs, the stronger he gets showing off as the different forms going from Evil Buu, Super Buu into Kid Buu(Super and Kid interchangeably, whoever you think is stronger). I can definitely see them being their own characters though since they act so different from their base counterparts

solar panther
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I definitely think they created the concept section to look at it

violet sun
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They did say that anything that matches with the material in game is non-intentional and purely for community interaction purposes tbf

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Who knows, I'd still like to see them at least approach the idea of a multi-transformation character. I'd just hate to see Shallot only attain one form within Squadra after he's been made to attain all of them pretty much

solar panther
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We might see it with a more conventional character

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Like a frieza 2nd form, or Goku going to ssj3

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But i don't think they will bother themselves in making a multiple transformations character

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It only looks cool on paper and the first time

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It's not functional in a game with short sessions

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If a session would be as long as a game like league of legends, it could work, if only as a passive transformation when reaching some levels

violet sun
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I can see that

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2nd Form Frieza does sound quite interesting with that concept

solar panther
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But the way Gekishin handles transformation, i don't think multiple forms would be functional

violet sun
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That makes sense

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Still, concept is a concept. Just wanted to throw out a bone

solar panther
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Nothing stops you from doing it

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The principle of submitting a concept also includes that people will tell you what they think about it, and how doable it is

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But the overall control over the concept is still yours

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There's nothing forcing you to modify it, we're just exchanging about it, cordially

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You can see the concept as something you're imagining for your own pleasure, while i personally see it as something to be really included in the game eventually

violet sun
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I might change the ult formation. I do think the wild cannon being locked was a bit much especially a couple of days ago

violet sun
solar panther
violet sun
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Especially at max 💀
We cannot have goku press that space bar

solar panther
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They're all quite terrifying, except for Caulifla

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But hey, who would like to have a Genkidama that isn't a game changer

violet sun
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Good point

solar panther
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When you know it's coming, it's still manageable, and everyone in the game has broken ults

violet sun
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At that point of the game you can mostly tank it as well

violet sun
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Some are a bit harder to deal with though. I ended up finding a hidden gem with Android 18 and how much she just SHREDS

solar panther
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Best solo target dps

violet sun
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I loved playing her though I'm quite sad I only played her during the ending stages of the test

solar panther
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You'll get plenty of time on the full release

violet sun
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I hope it releases soon. Late this year early next no?

solar panther
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This year is the part we're sure of

violet sun
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We should prob also stop it here to stop the thread crowding as it already has 152 messages 😭

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Nice chat mate

solar panther
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The changes you made look better to me, nice job

languid violet
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MUCH better, my GOD

violet sun
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Does it show when I change it 😭

solar panther
stone roost
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So basically we all agree his transformation be SSG?

peak flower
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He's still a multi-transforming unit

violet sun
solar panther
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Spoiler ☹️

violet sun
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Sorry 😭

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It’s in his wiki and in the legends story

stone roost
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Wonder if someone will make a list of all concept characters created in these thread

harsh gust
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No Rising Rush 😡

dim prawn
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Instead of multi transformation, maybe it could be where you can choose the transformation you want for him before the battle starts beforehand, like in legends

wide beacon
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ye

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hi guys

jade lichen
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Shallot in Squadra would be insane

violet sun
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Concept - The Ancient Saiyan, Shallot [UPDATED]

solar panther
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The changes are good, nice job

violet sun
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I guess we gotta start bumping. I don't think I can add any more updates to this but feel free to leave any ideas for it. (Rising Rush is a bit hard yk)

👍

violet sun
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Shallot for Season 2 !!!

jade lichen
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Zahha amirite fellas?

vestal palm
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Tank would fit Shallot more, no? He seems like a good damage character but I see them as not being able to take many hits. Shallot is resilient, and while that’s not all it takes to be a tank, he’s been shown to be the brother that can take hits and strike back. I think he should have some buff for Relentless Assault & Wild Crash (Wild Blitz) for continuing to fight at low hp at the very least.

viral plaza
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true nuf but honestly the multiple transformations sounds like a bad idea

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i think what could be cool is that he has a passive that copies one of the skills of allies

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like he does in legends

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maybe 1 level below

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if someones skill is max lvl he can copy lvl 2 version of it

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he cant copy lvl 1

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that would make him more of a technical unit tho but still

violet sun
violet sun
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Shallot for Season 3 🔥

violet sun
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Maybe we get shallot season 4 😔

wanton socket