Baby (Young Body)

[cloud spire]

your telling me his rush attack reduces possesion cooldown now?

[pliant kite]

I think the thing is referring to S2’s reduction of possession?

What I’m confused by though is why the number gets lower the further it goes

[random thorn]

No, his shockwave attack

I imagine the cool down reduction gets lower at higher levels since level 3 makes baby rapid fire the waves

could you imagine if the maxed out shockwave was one second per hit? You'd be guaranteed to have possession off CD immediately lol

[rustic portal]

Facts

[viscid epoch]

I just tried out baby and his S2 CD reduction is noticeably better

[random thorn]

indeed

[viscid epoch]

Ngl if they want us to constantly jump in and out of allies bodies with him i feel like he needs more early game HP to properly achieve that

[urban nest]

Yes

[fathom rapids]

Does s2 reduce cd per hit for each enemy it's hitting or it's the same as long as there's 1 enemy?

[chrome star]

Baby buffs after 20 million eons 🌹

[random thorn]

It's definitely per enemy

[pliant kite]

I am a top 500 Baby now woo

[viscid epoch]

Per enemy hitting 2-3 people with it at a time makes your S3 come back fast

[brittle abyss]

Super Start Skill Two kinda good ngl

[signal basin]

Large aoe move that inflicts movement down so that my teammates can take them down is so peak

[jagged kettle]

I'm ngl... Baby was hella fun just now. He's not bad. Usually play Cooler.

Uuuuntil this last game. Dear lord i got pushed around by zamasu

[cloud spire]

zamasu is a hero you just dont do extended fights

[ripe oasis]

Baby is my most consistent tank now. The way he can control the gods area is so valuable

[jagged kettle]

some times i wish we could type in game.

these ppl running at the first signs of a fight is frustrating

[ripe oasis]

I have “ COME LETS GO” ringing in my head as baby telling my team to go in😭

[jagged kettle]

it was a SSJ Goku too. I cant tell you how many times last game we could have won the 2v2s if he had just stayed.

[ripe oasis]

I love coward damage players

So fun

[feral halo]

I was the top 436th baby player but I didn't play squadra for 2 days and slipped down to 1067

[balmy canopy]

what does everybody think of a buff for baby where on max out possession he puts a tuffle parasite in an enemy and teammates so when they die they get back up as a bot player to fight for you or the teammate gets level 1 ally possession until they are killed?

[opal scroll]

What tr fuh

[balmy canopy]

okay i think snowball, solid barrier and guardian angel is babies best build this season

[opal scroll]

Guardian angel doesnt work on baby when he's possessing

Actually

Lemme test agaib

[balmy canopy]

i have that for when i am not possessing

[austere copper]

Considering how he lacks resistance, you don't want to have a card that makes you take damages for your team

[dawn mirage]

His ult is kinda disappointing in damage

IMO that needs to be buff to be honest

[plucky comet]

It's not for dmg it's for survival

[dawn mirage]

Still compared to other tanks it’s not a lot

[quaint lion]

i always run super snowball, giant slayer, pursuer

honestly baby has so much free hp from possessions and his tank passive, in A/S-rank you just have to be dodging the bursts rather than investing in tank imho

[dawn mirage]

I will say baby is pretty good especially with the heals

[austere copper]

The more you use it, the more damages it does

And it does more damages the closer the enemies are from the center

[balmy canopy]

wait does that stack forever?

[random thorn]

just up to four times

[fathom rapids]

None of the tanks ults do a lot of damage.

[balmy canopy]

i tested it in training and it only stacked once?

[fathom rapids]

Does it show a number or you only saw an increase of damage once?

[balmy canopy]

nvm the game gave me default divine cards and was acting glitchy when i changed thats a nice increase going from around 2k damage to 5.6k damage on the final increase i wish it gave a icon on the stacks tho but when are you ever gonna hit like 5 baby ults that each take 40 whole seconds to comeback?

[fathom rapids]

Your supposed to ult immediately in a fight most of the time with baby. He has one of the lower cooldown ults

[queen sentinel]

what are some tips for baby and what should i prioritise while levelling

[latent vortex]

I normally don't use his ult, but mostly use his ult for bosses when they are close to death. Or if I'm in team fights.

[latent vortex]

His ult just like every tank is situational

[balmy canopy]

the ult does basically nothing to bosses it's only good against players

[latent vortex]

Really? I have killed bosses with his ult. Unless you are referring to the bosses having half health then yeah, but it's only when they are almost dead like low health when I do it. Saying it does nothing to them I disagree.

[rustic portal]

How is Baby so bad with ranged unit but good with melee units?

I met the stupid matches

It's lot of ranged

And IM THE ONLY USING MY LOVE HIT!!!

[pliant kite]

he has a higher resistance to strikes than energy

and most ranged are energy

[rustic portal]

I seee

[pliant kite]

All-Red cards felt pretty strong btw

[cloud spire]

baby players

whats the maxing pririty right now

iv been thinking its , skill 3 max then leave skill 2 and lv 2 and max skill 1

[sudden saffron]

s2 & s3 > ult > s1

I get s1 at lvl 10

[cloud spire]

Rly?

So how the hell do you game lmao

Isn’t the push back the best part

And the lv 3 s2

[sudden saffron]

his possession is his best move

[cloud spire]

It just adds a little more damage doesn’t it ?

Isn’t it better to keep s2 at lv 2

[balmy canopy]

it increase ally life for each blast that hits and you can't leave until you reach full life which takes like 1 second so not only are you doing damage your healing a ally, damaging a enemy but also gaining a free restore

[cloud spire]

Skill 2 not 3

Skill 2 is the aoe slow and damage

[balmy canopy]

skill 2 is basically to cooldown possession it does good damage and slows but serves only one job to get back in a body

[cloud spire]

Yeah that’s what I mean

So that’s why I’m suprised when delta says to max it out instead of s1

[opal scroll]

bigger aoe and more damage than s1. more ticks of damage which translates into more cd reduction for s3. Also the slow is nice sometimes i guess

S1 used to be best but rn baby's whole thing is possessing as much as possible to keep his melee dps healthy and in the fight. s2 also helps keep the enemy from running away so they can secure kills and such

[balmy canopy]

the only thing you should ever super star is skill 3 all other is trolling skill 1 is only good at level 3 maybe 2

[pliant kite]

So we thinking S2 over S1 this season? Interesting I’ll give it a try

[balmy canopy]

you never took S1 over S2 or S3???

infact starting this season i put my first 2 points into S3 match start then 2 into S2 then ult then S1 with snowball steel skin and guardian angel

[pliant kite]

I always did

[cloud spire]

Ok

Imo

Crazy talk

Isn’t s2 super start better?

The aoe damage is nice and the additional cooldown reduction on possession makes you able to posses a lot more often

[pliant kite]

this is the same card build as me tho. trying it out since build up got butchered

[viscid epoch]

I choose super start S2/S3 depending on who my enemies/allies are

If my enemies are more fragile or won't be insane until later on I max S2 since lv2 possession should be enough to get us by until I hit lv8 and even then I can make up for it by being able to apply more lifesteal overall

However if the enemy duo would turn me and my ally into a couple of stains and a memory I max out S3 since even if we can't kill an early game duo like vegito/ssj4 vegeta they'll at least won't be able to kill us for XP/snowball stacks

I also take in consideration if my ally wants to be in the heart of the fight or if they're more of a ranged/assassin character

[balmy canopy]

okay spopovich is amazing for building up revenge blast stacks especially if they are running away from you after using vanishing step

[narrow schooner]

honestly, dps baby might as well be his best build, focusing on his s2 and then his s3 for damage. it also helps his super attack has a low cooldown

snowball + prepare to die or giant slayer (i prefer PtD) + pursuer for the speed boost and extra dmg even if it's small

the build comes alive when u hit lvl 8 and skill 2 is max level, then it turns into an aoe that slows down everyone and you follow it up with possession which maxed out also does good dmg with this build

[opal scroll]

Dps baby has been the way for a while

But I prefer snowball giant slayer and wicked warrior for the possession

[balmy canopy]

ally or enemy possession?

[opal scroll]

ally

[pliant kite]

This was my thought process as well

Just maximizing the health given to my teammate through possession

[pliant kite]

Im the 161 ranked baby wooo

[dawn mirage]

For me 1 and 3

[lucid jacinth]

idk if its better, but i do 3 and 2

just so i can get possession fsater

[little valve]

its definitely 3>2>ult>1

s2 just does more than s1 in multiple ways rn

baby is becoming more and more gimmicky and he only functions by abusing possession, so getting that cooldown reduction with the s2 as well as the added bonus of heavy slow and massive aoe is very useful

[rancid glade]

What would u use for his divine cards? Rn im just been experimenting with either a full defence build or a defence build with giant slayer

[rose gale]

Gotta love when im being jumped by the enemies and all my teammates are too far away grinding to come help me so i can hop on them

[lucid jacinth]

i use triple reds so possession can heal more

[lucid jacinth]

teammates be shocked when they leave you alone against broly and ssj4 vegeta

[rose gale]

If i have a broly on my team im straight up using baby

Broly+baby so good

[lucid jacinth]

frfr, the heal is so good

[rose gale]

And then broly goes top lane leaving me with Vegito...

[lucid jacinth]

vegito isnt the worst teammat eto have tho no?

[rose gale]

I have not been having great experiences with vegito players lately

Heck even some broly ones

They dont know that once i hop inside them they just gotta Attack them and their damage boost will do the rest 😭

[lucid jacinth]

some of them just run away the moment you hop in them

funny enough iv seeen good success with toppo

[rose gale]

Broly's damage boost+ defense boost + baby's healing

Thats broken fr

[lucid jacinth]

he just doesnt die

[rose gale]

Fr

[rancid glade]

Wait higher damage output = higher life steal then?

[rose gale]

Damn i didnt know dat

[rancid glade]

I always thought when he went into possession his life steal was at a fixed amount

[rose gale]

Ima try going full red baby sometimes then

[lucid jacinth]

if im not mistaken, yeah

[balmy canopy]

snowball either steel skin/solid barrier and guardian angel works for me

[little valve]

full red cards
again, baby is currently a possession merchant so you just want to maximise his healing on s3, which scales with dmg

so snowball + giant slayer + wicked warrior

[rancid glade]

Dang so it does scale with damage

Fair enough

[pliant kite]

Mhm

[weary goblet]

https://youtu.be/OcGe6Hy8qOE

[weary goblet]

Giant slayer is only good if you're able to stick to a single target, which is inherently worse on ranged characters throughout design.

Especially if you're trying to regenerate

[little valve]

thats not how giant slayer works at all

it gives the damage buff permanently until combat ends

against anyone

all you need is the initial proc

[weary goblet]

It requires 3 attacks to the target to begin, and ends. If I was wrong about it ending when you changed the target, that's a little different. Prepare to die would only give you immediate access to your extra damage over the course of the fight being that way when you possess a teammate.

However, it only working on one target at a time would make it a no thought decision

I've only been taking giant slayer to tankbust on melee

like cell beating the other tank

worst tooltips in the game. I'd need to put it in the training arena

other than that, 80% on the end of a fight vs 50% whenever

• Giant Slayer: 20% increase, the effect lingers for a lot, meaning if a full fight is basically 20% always guaranteed. Remember that Prepare to Die is guaranteed to proc at some point, Giant slayer may be inconsistant. The effect never stops if you keep fighting!!! you want this on champs like Goku/Kale that wants to get their burst to do the most damage. The 20% falls off if you get out of combat with the guy for some seconds, meaning in a 100 0 fight you always have the boost.

• Prepare to die: 15% increase below 50%. goes up to 25% after 2 seconds on the same target. Works best with characters like hit that needs to take their time to setup

• Wicked Warrior is a 28% increase ONLY to rush attack damage

this looks wrong vs max health adjusted damage

15% for being guaranteed in any fight that turns into 25% on giant slayer's proc

[cloud spire]

again

how fast does combat ends

[cloud spire]

THISSS

@weary goblet thankyou so much

people need to realise stacking multiple of gianslayer on the team does absolutely nothing

atmost tank herous who fight in melee for long can make use of it but herous like kale who go in and out dont

[little valve]

3 seconds of not hitting anybody at all

with baby you're just gonna sit there holding rush attack

[weary goblet]

https://youtu.be/gDndZn0YPdI

[cloud spire]

Anybody at all?

So your saying if I proc gaint slayer on someone and then move to a different target and switch back to the original

Would the scaling damage have been ticking while I was hitting someone else?

[little valve]

its very simple

hit somebody above 80% hp

and you get a 20% damage boost

not just against that person

but to all attacks against anyone

damage buff only ends once you go without hitting an opponent for ~3 seconds

ask any top player and they will tell you that prepare to die is not useful on a single character in the current meta, since nobody survives long enough for the proc to even be useful

also the fact that ptd is running a constant check so the second you disengage or attack another person you lose the attack boost

[opal scroll]

yeah giant slayer better every day

[cloud spire]

idk about that

your serious cause that just seems stupid asf baalnce wise in general

[little valve]

my brother in christ go to literally any top players stream and ask them if its ever worth using prepare to die over giant slayer

[cloud spire]

idc about top streamers words

i like thinking

and finding stuff out

and using my brain to sort builds

[little valve]

well ive already told you which is better

[cloud spire]

streamers can be wrong

[little valve]

nobody uses prepare to die for a reason

[little valve]

thats not my point, my point is every top player agrees

doesnt have to be a streamer

ask any top player at all

[cloud spire]

thats still not a reason i shoudl just turn my head off and listen

i mean for example , on a hero like baby it makes sense to run gaint slayer cause your most of the time opening with skill 1

but i play toppo

[opal scroll]

You're just being combative for no reason really

take the advice or don't lol

[cloud spire]

I dont like just listening to meta without experimenting

yall reasons is

cause top players use it

maybe i am being combative but i like it

[little valve]

no my reason is that ive tested meta cards in training and its very obvious that what ive found and what the best players have found are the same

thats not called turning your brain off and listening, thats called taking a hint

[cloud spire]

Top players never used 17 and now they are realising he is actually good

[little valve]

because he got buffed? and because the meta changed with other character buffs/nerfs to better suit him?

theres a reason a meta even exists in the first place

theres characters who are undisputably good, and those who are undisputably bad

this isnt something that a random person makes up and everyone else listens to blindly

theres also a reason the players who understand this meta are top players

because they dont try to use sub-optimal characters or strategies to win

[opal scroll]

Giant slayer is overall better. it works for toppo too but honestly he likes green cards better anyways since he's DoT rather than explosive damage. Giant slayer if you hit the enemy at all above 80% will give you a passive 20% damage buff from that point onwards. Prepare to die is a 13% increase in damage under 50% hp, then after 2 seconds it goes to around 20%. One is active the entire fight, one is weaker later in the fight, then finally becomes even with the better one after 2 seconds

[cloud spire]

yes but toppo doesnt open and keep pressure like that in a fight

[little valve]

that, along with the fact that since the release of the game its been clear that fights just dont last very long. youre never going to need ptd because if theyre at the hp range where it becomes useful, its likely youre already going to kill them

[cloud spire]

that doesnt work

[little valve]

toppo prefers defense cards anyways, prepare to die is probably one of the worst 2nd cards he can use besides something like art of decoy

[opal scroll]

He quite literally does, he has a larger health bar to help him stay in fights for a bit. His s3 can also count as a sustain move because you're getting overhealth that doesn't eat into main health

[cloud spire]

Toppo doesnt have the movespeed / slows to keep the fight going for giantslayer to keep his procs

[cloud spire]

steel skin is only decent vs uub probably

[little valve]

yes he literally does???

[opal scroll]

Tru tho. All those tanky dps want green cards

[cloud spire]

are you?

[little valve]

thats what his entire kit does, what are you talking about?

[cloud spire]

how?

[opal scroll]

He has it like built into his passive

[cloud spire]

his skill 1?

[little valve]

his passive?

[opal scroll]

He's essentially got purseur but without the damage buff

[cloud spire]

which dps fights him that his passive comes down to the win

[little valve]

"an ability that buffs movement speed"

[cloud spire]

have you actually played toppo?

the skill 1

[little valve]

"applies movement speed up to self when moving towards an enemy with mark of destruction"

[cloud spire]

the width is useless

[little valve]

"the effect is greater the more mark of destruction stacks there are"

[cloud spire]

most people easily sidestep it without a question

the extra range doesnt come into play often cause again , its the most slim skill in the game

maybe second to trunks skill 1

[cloud spire]

i know the description

[opal scroll]

yeah that's why you upgrade his s2 and honestly s3 now too

[cloud spire]

have you played him.

[little valve]

literally yes

[cloud spire]

ok

s2

[little valve]

hes my second most used character

[cloud spire]

10 second cooldown spin

and then what?

you dont get the movespeed

[opal scroll]

yes you do

[little valve]

yes you do

[cloud spire]

and your forced to run into them to even reduce your cooldwons

[little valve]

yeah youre clearly B rank 😭

[opal scroll]

C maybe

[cloud spire]

lets talk

you spin and what happens?

[little valve]

ok then

after s2 they get mark of destruction

[cloud spire]

and?

[little valve]

which means you get movement speed up

[cloud spire]

and

they somehow let you rush attack them?

[opal scroll]

Counter, rush attack, (maybe) ult, but let DoT do its thing since it's doing damage when your move is on cd

[cloud spire]

to extend the makrs

[little valve]

now that they have constant bleed + you have movement speed up

[cloud spire]

yes ofc

open with your best skill

when they can leave

and im B?

[little valve]

??

wait

are you implying counter is his best skill?

[opal scroll]

Counter is definitely better now. But it's always been s2

[cloud spire]

How long does it last

[little valve]

no no answer my question

[cloud spire]

its your fight winning move

[little valve]

😭😭😭

good lord

[cloud spire]

its what you play around

[little valve]

i overestimated you

D rank it is

[little valve]

NO it is not

[cloud spire]

im not saying the spin is bad

i never said that

[opal scroll]

Counter is decent, and if you get a really good counter it does a lot of damage combined with the DoT stacks that your other moves have

[little valve]

the spin is his best skill and its not even close

[cloud spire]

i said your counter is how your gonna get the kill in a 1v1 or teamfight most times and its how you live

[little valve]

no it is not???

[opal scroll]

but s2 is better, consistent for fights, farm, stacks, teamfights, and all

[cloud spire]

do you not understand me

[cloud spire]

and i agree

its good for farming

[little valve]

s3 is NOT how you will get the kill

[cloud spire]

consistent in fights is a downgrade cause try spinning and getting a skill on a hero like uub

and see where that gets you

toppo cant rush in

idk who told you that

he needs to rush attack to get the cooldown reduction

and again opening fight with spin means you now dont have any skill for the next 10 seconds cause unless your D RANK

they back off

and walk away

and your left with

no cooldwon and they have theirs

stacks fall off fast even within 4 seconds

[opal scroll]

toppo wants defensive cards so he can get in in the first place. He's a dps meant to get in and apply his stacks/DoT and maybe even get a counter off. All his moves are close range so he's required to get in

[cloud spire]

so 10 second cooldwon for?

4 seconds of dot?

[opal scroll]

He's not exactly a frontliner but he gets pretty close to it

[little valve]

before you continue please tell me what rank you arwe

[cloud spire]

how tf does that matter if what im saying is right

but if your too stupid

S RANK

[little valve]

but you arent

lol

[opal scroll]

All these things you mention just seem to be problems with the character himself not how you use the moves LOL

[little valve]

no no

what world rank

[cloud spire]

and im trying to sort out those problems

thats why im thomking of ways to use him to become more consistent

instead of listenting to mr streamer say

omg toppo is bad dont use him for 20 times

[cloud spire]

idc about that

who tf checks that

@opal scroll like he has issues , im trying to think of ways to change those issues

[little valve]

any good player?

LOL

[cloud spire]

streamers dont have answers

[little valve]

S rank literally does not matter

[cloud spire]

your care too much

[cloud spire]

and yet it was the base limit and you have it on your profile

your the one who asked for rank

idc about it

@little valve who plays toppo?

tell me

[little valve]

nobody

i play him from time to time and hes very mid

[cloud spire]

my point exactly

and im supposed to listen to who?

to fix his issues and climb?

[little valve]

you cant fix his issues

thats the entire reason hes bad

[cloud spire]

gotta make your own way to play

[little valve]

you can mitigate them sure

[cloud spire]

and im trying that

but chaning playstyle

[little valve]

but he will never be fixed

[cloud spire]

or switching around cards

you only play meta cause its easy pickings

and you can brain off let the char carry you

i have to think and optimize

( a littl over exageration but im having fun with this lmao)

[little valve]

i play baby btw so idk what youre talking abt

lol

[cloud spire]

and if the meta build isnt helping what do you do?

[little valve]

the meta build is literally his best build

[cloud spire]

keep doing the same thing ovr and over praying you get a win?

[little valve]

THATS why its the meta

[cloud spire]

not always

whast baby build rn?

a simple example , if your facing picolo you swap to sheild right?

if your facing uub

you go steel skin to reduce his rush attack damage

things like that

[little valve]

literally no?????

baby is only useable by maximising his possession usefulness

[cloud spire]

exaplain?

[little valve]

thats why you run full red with baby

alright well im busy actually playing the game with actual cards and actual characters

so imma head out

[cloud spire]

thats not character mastery

but yeah

[cloud spire]

good luck

[lucid jacinth]

im pretty sure like the only person you wanna use prepare to die is like trunks

[tawny gate]

your the goat

[balmy canopy]

if you got in close enough to hit spin they will never leave your rush attack range because a single mark of destruction will increase your movement speed enough that you hitting them keeps you in lock step with them and out of flight mode and if the speed increase not enough somehow literally do Destructive Flash point blank and go back to rush attack.
if you are actually S rank you can do spin and flash 5 times on a single target if they are dumb enough to try and fight back pop counter in there face and pop them.

[little valve]

not even

why on earth would you use ptd when his s1 is likely killing from half hp anyways

[cloud spire]

While yes

In a 1v1 that is the case

I won’t deny toppo 1v1 is decent and good and he has decent chase ( can’t keep up with the actual escape cooldowns )

Teamfights is what I mean and struggle with

Large hitbox and kind of predictable

[lucid jacinth]

idk, i just did it for extra insurance against tanks

[pliant kite]

I think y'all crazy prioritizing S2

I just don't see it im ngl

[viscid epoch]

Super start or overall?
If it's super start I only do it if I know i can get away with it
Overall it's my 2nd skill to max out

Also this person made a great (yet obvious) point here https://www.reddit.com/r/DBGekishinSquadra/comments/1qtyp6s/no_theyre_not_throwing_by_picking_baby_you_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Remember to A.S.Y.B
Always Stick by Your Baby

[viscid epoch]

Especially if you want to be in the heart of the battle like broly or vegito

[fathom rapids]

thats by far his strongest move and it lowers CD

s2>S3>ult s1

[pliant kite]

Edit: According to testing done by u/mousegold the healing is only based on damage for the damage dealt by the hero being possessed, not from baby's damage. In that case, the best cards IMO would be strategic escape, the art of decoy, and either LBJ or guardian angel.

Just now seeing his edit

I don't think this is actually true

Cause I 100% feel like I heal more when I pick snowball

[lucid jacinth]

eh, i use s3>s2 but both should really be fine

[fringe turret]

i actually tested it on training and it's actually true, i tried full red cards, same level, and it did most of the time 1620 of healing, then i changed into full blue cards and it did the same healing, 1620

[pliant kite]

Hmm that’s so dumb mannn

[fringe turret]

yeah, i still think baby needs buffs

[viscid epoch]

Wait even tho guardian angel doesn't work mid possession isn't it still good for baby since the lower your HP is the longer your S3 lasts

[rose gale]

The problem is when ur alone lol

Ur getting jumped by the whole enemy team and u cant posess cuz ur teammates are far away grinding

[balmy canopy]

never be alone lol i that is always my main cause of death the second most is teammates never being close enough to do possession
which brings me to the second point; always stay close enough to possess them

[pliant kite]

If you’re alone GA won’t proc anyway

[opal scroll]

Baby is one of the squishiest tanks and you want him to take even more damage in the heat of the moment? you get like 2 seconds of survival already with him taking damage solo. Plus guardian angel doesn't scale with your defense. If your teammates get melted it doesn't care about whatever defensive stuff you've got it'll just murder you too

[fringe turret]

hey guys, which cards do you guys use?

i use the one the top 1 recommends, snowball/barrier/defensive step

[narrow schooner]

snowball, giant slayer and wicked warrior since it buffs dmg from possession as it counts as a rush attack

[rancid glade]

Whoever clarified that his healing for possession equals his rush damage

I just massed healed my vegito with a full red loadout against 3 ppl

I see the method now

https://tenor.com/view/standing-here-i-realize-gif-24728653

This is legit how he was that whole fight

[viscid epoch]

A tip for some of y'all who play as baby or when he's your ally
If possible let him take the first wave of damage while staying somewhere in possession range
The lower his HP is the longer he can possess an ally with S3 before he has to hop out which will get your longer durations lifesteal of on characters like vegito/broly/the gammas

[solemn idol]

When I play against another Baby and we both parasitize our allies, I feel like I'm in a mecha battle.

[rose gale]

Lol fr

[topaz gyro]

as Top 1k

my cards are Snowball, Prepare, Guardian. the lower your health when you possess the longer your possession, and to make the most out of your Possess you need more dps, and with the 2 dmg cards you can hold your own for a while.

for Super Start, Super Skill 2 and get Possess to level2 before the first fight.

without Super Start i go Skill2, Skill 3, Skill 3, Skill 1, ult, Skill 2, Skill 2, ult, Skill 1, Skill 1, ult, Skill 3 (i didnt count the levels specifically but follow this general upgrade path)

and most importantly, ROTATE FOR THE BOSSES!

Do not Skill 2 on Jackie Chun, he WILL delete you

[cloud spire]

@topaz gyro how are you doing this season with kefla shrediing everyone to bits

also

iv been testing him

i think kefla actually oneshots him with her skill 2 and passive with pursuer proc

or just her ult

[topaz gyro]

I haven’t had a good game since the patch

Everyone is stupid

I had a hit go 0/7

[cloud spire]

lmaoo

idk if baby is even a good match with kefla

dw

[narrow schooner]

they can be pretty decent together since kefla can just vanish or move around rly fast, as long as baby has built up snowball and he can heal her, her having low hp actually helps since she benefits more from his healing % wise

[cloud spire]

yeah but in the matchup

you cant even interact with her

enemy kefla i mean

[narrow schooner]

ahhh against her you mean, yeah no you're kinda cooked, your best bet is trying to stay away from her or dealing some damage with s2 to slow her down so people can finish her off

and tbh the s2 maxed out could actually bring her down if timed well

[cloud spire]

cant she vanish out?

[narrow schooner]

i mean yeah, but she's still gonna be slow against a big area if you get her close

[topaz gyro]

She is also squishy naturally

[cloud spire]

whats the helper you guys use?

[topaz gyro]

Spooovich

[cloud spire]

i think spovovich

[narrow schooner]

rildo

[cloud spire]

yeaaah

[narrow schooner]

what does spopovitch do

[cloud spire]

you need it to keep people with you

[cloud spire]

basically pulls a single target towards your location

[narrow schooner]

oh so similar to rildo

[cloud spire]

yeah but a lot longer radius

[topaz gyro]

I like to Spopo, into Skill1 to push really far into my side

[cloud spire]

a downside though

he can be vanish if they are ready for it

though most arent

[topaz gyro]

You can also steal people from tower

[cloud spire]

yep

honesly second best helper since cabba

[topaz gyro]

If they are near dead, steal em and skull one them away from their tower

[narrow schooner]

will prob try it out over rildo then, thx

[cloud spire]

rildo feels useless now

range is wayyy too smal

[cloud spire]

this build though

i might swap guardian for defense step

cause her ult

god its a nuke

[narrow schooner]

totally nerfed him just to make ssj bardock op T_T

[cloud spire]

no matter where you are the defense is needed

[topaz gyro]

Of course, cards depend on the situation

But I like angel since it’s a soft buff to possess

[cloud spire]

are you sure?

how does it interact

[topaz gyro]

The faster you get to low health the faster you get to a longer possession

And you get essentially two health bars of value and bonus tankiness for your nearby team

It doesn’t directly do anything for possess but possess gets better the lower your health

So if you take damage from the rest of the team you get to max your value as a tank

And I still need to test it, but the cards stay on if you are possessing, so Angel MAY stay on when you are possessing

I DO NOT KNOW FOR SURE

DO NOT QUOTE ME ON THAT

[topaz gyro]

As far as how I play him, I don’t care for mitigation, I have 3 health bars of longevity in any given fight if I have a friend

And a bonus health ult, and a free health bar if I get a finisher

The idea of “reducing incoming number” matters less then getting my hard health number resets

If you are playing him right, they have to “kill you” 2-3 times in one fight

[viscid epoch]

Well well the tuffle prince is the free hero this week

[balmy canopy]

am i crazy or did they double the range of skill 1 level 1?

[pliant kite]

Not sure about level 1

But level 2 definitely feels like a wider range

[viscid epoch]

I think both of you are right

Our boy has been shadow buffed

Or this happened on accident

[balmy canopy]

buff ideas; When you use Possession (Allies) and your own HP is full increase Steal Life to 50%
max level Possession (Allies) / Cover Fire will now target all enemies in range.

Finger Blitz Barrage can restore armor on enemy hit and you can also use it during Possession (Allies) at 50% damage, Finger Blitz Barrage will now do more damage the closer the enemy is.

Rush Attack will now be changed to be hold and release to instead cover fire barrages, The range increase after Possession will now last longer.
also Revenge Blast will now display a icon and number to show how many times you have hit a enemy with it

[viscid epoch]

Couple of ideas I had
S3 Possession (Allies)
Slightly reduce self healing when in an allies body (the skill doesn't start it's 7 seconds time period until you heal to full in an allies body)
Increase skill duration from 7 seconds to 8 seconds
If an ally gets a finisher while the under effect of Possession (Allies) you get a prompt to allow you to jump into the defeated enemy hero's body

[tawny gate]

been playing baby since for ever but i rarely get in enemy heros bodys like is theres something wrong am doing

beacuse you need to kill them with finsher right

rarely happnes with baby

[balmy canopy]

no his passive is just that bad you don't even have a 100% finisher chance either

[tawny gate]

oh thx for the info i tought i was that bad at landing it

[bleak mountain]

The passive is useless imo

If they made it so you keep the body as in like extra hp until you got knocked out of it that would've been better

But legit you get the body 3 seconds in and then you lose it because they respawn

[topaz gyro]

or if the bodies stay on the floor for their death timer and you can choose to jump in for a specific amount of time irrespective of their respawn status.

[random thorn]

pretty much anything would be better lol

I think it'd be cool if he could use the shockwave while possessing an ally, which would increase the duration per hit. It's weird that he loses so much of his kit by using another skill

[austere copper]

Agreed, being able to use the skills, from inside the body would make it way better

[viscid epoch]

Plus that would be insane with chase down characters like dabura or mainly broly

[balmy canopy]

Skill 3: Possession (Allies) / Cover Fire level 3
Possession duration time increased to 30 seconds
you can now use individual skills when you hit level 3 for them,
a single Cover Fire use now consumes 1 second
Skill 1 during Possession (Allies) consumes 5 seconds
Skill 2 during Possession (Allies) now pauses duration time
Skill 1 during Possession (Allies) is altered to now charge and release a Energy wave (like zarbon) this Energy Wave causes Bleed Continuous Damage and deals more the damage the more you move around and can stack.

[narrow schooner]

honestly i'm fine with the way possession works tho, just build dps and at lvl 3 your teammate is immortal unless it's a 1v3

[balmy canopy]

that's the problem Baby is suppose to make a single person immortal and unstoppable to make up for making 4 v 4 an 3 v 4 and if they can't survive that situation then he failed at his sole purpose

[gentle cave]

S3 super start Snowball baby trust

Works every time

[topaz gyro]

i do Skill 2 Super Start with Skill 3 at lvl 2 for the first fight

[little valve]

building dps doesnt increase his healing from s3 btw

[pliant kite]

This is absolutely busted lol

[pliant kite]

This is my big issue tbh. Cause it absolutely should.

I think Baby would be leaps and bounds better if it did

[narrow schooner]

i swear the consensus some weeks/months ago was that it did, odd - either way building him with dps is still prob the best move since he can end up doing decent dmg and he can tank well with possession healing in mind

[gentle cave]

If they ever do this to baby and I have to relearn how to play him I wouldn't be mad

[little valve]

defensive is just better because it allows you to stay alive long enough in order to possess multiple times in one fight

if you really wanna deal damage ig use snowball + barrier + lbj/defense step

[narrow schooner]

i go full dmg and it works decent, it rly helps with his s2 and s3 dmg

more often than not i lose bc my teammates just don't know how to play with baby, that or the bots i get paired up with from time to time literally aren't programmed to fight with baby possession

[gentle cave]

A mix of damage and defense cards on baby is also good, it lets his S3 heal more (cause the healing is damage based) and it also lets him live a little longer than normal

[narrow schooner]

so is his healing dmg based or not T_T i'm getting mixed answers, i could've sworn it was dmg based

[gentle cave]

No its damage based

Figured that out after a while of playing him

[narrow schooner]

ok cool, then yeah i personally go full dmg but i could mayhaps give him solid barrier to help tank the first few seconds better

[gentle cave]

Solid barrier or steel skin both work

If you want to go full damage then Snowball is a must have

Then I would normally go barrier and pursuer

[narrow schooner]

i do go snowball, giant slayer and wicked warrior for the rush attack buff on s3

[balmy canopy]

People tested In training mode and he doesn't deal more damage with damage cards if I remember correctly

[little valve]

its not

test it in training mode, i have and others have

[gentle cave]

Did they change it? Cause it used to be

[little valve]

the damage increases with red cards but the healing is always like 1620 iirc

[little valve]

no, its always been like this

its just a myth people spread and people believed it

[gentle cave]

I'm not schizo it used to be damage based 😭

[topaz gyro]

you have to be careful with a kit like Baby, he is really easy to make him the strongest character in the game

just a few buffs to make him good solo will completely upend the Tank balance

[balmy canopy]

that has to be a bug because it says 25% percent lifesteal in the patch notes

[little valve]

probably

[little skiff]

Chudlings,how to baby?

[random thorn]

Take damage for friend, jump in friend if either of you get close to half, use shockwave to shorten cooldown

[balmy canopy]

Don't forget to pick the ultimate over the blast REMEMBER TO ALWAYS LAND ULT otherwise you lose ult stacks which increase the damage of it and when your fully stack you do good chunk of around 70% to 75% of the entire enemy team.

[viscid epoch]

Important note using S3 does not give you i-frames during the animation of you hopping in someone's body so don't get too overconfident with it

[random thorn]

Which is stupid

[little valve]

which is why rildo is a good helper for baby, otherwise his ult is incredibly easy to dodge

[balmy canopy]

i like spopovich better lets me grab enemies for the extremely rare solo finisher and to pull into mid ult while they are thinking i am an idiot for doing ult with nobody around me

[little skiff]

Btw his passive is useless right

[balmy canopy]

yes lol it's only good late game even then they have less health then frieza so it's only good for using there ult on the bosses or the enemy team

[topaz gyro]

the enemy possession is, mostly. if you can figure out how to get it reliably, its a free extra health bar even if they nuke your new body immediately

[topaz gyro]

Having the extra rush range after exiting is good for picking off runners

[balmy canopy]

His rush attack damage is really REALLY bad so you have to be in your original range because it never last long enough

[balmy canopy]

i reported a bug on baby with red cards lifesteal on cover fire is not applying correctly please upvote

[topaz gyro]

bruh, super cooldown Skill 2 will make Baby immortal

[little skiff]

I hope this isnt their excuse for not buffing baby

[viscid epoch]

I mean kefla was borderline immortal with all of her vanish shenanigans

[balmy canopy]

They actually nerfed his ult???

[little skiff]

They buffed it's base damage,but nerfed how much it increases subsequently

[balmy canopy]

that cover fire slow is actually sickening you WILL fight baby possession target it actually feels like you are in mud

[bleak mountain]

It's not that great you have to normal hit them can't use skills or anything

[pliant kite]

This baby buff seems fake, but I will hold my judgements.

Except the slow down

Slowdown is amazing (presumably)

[viscid epoch]

Yeah I was fighting a baby as a zamasu they hopped into their ally while we were fighting...

And All of a sudden I realized that I could barely move when i wanted to run away

[pliant kite]

So its noticeable then. Good good

They'll do anything but give him that healing boost in possession

[pliant kite]

Let me know how S2 & Possession feel with the new S2 Cooldown Reduce.

I'll be at work

[balmy canopy]

infinite upkeep basically skill 2 comes back in 5s so you do the move entire move jump into a teammate then jump out and do it all over again

[random thorn]

feels ggreat

[pliant kite]

Good good goood

[pliant kite]

Good good goood

[oblique zinc]

maxing out skill 2 first is more dmg

[balmy canopy]

skill 1 is his worse skill tbh

[topaz gyro]

Skill 1 level 2 is more than enough until max level

[pure plover]

Do people play build up. Prepare to die. Wicked warrior for max potential to posess because it too good to pass that passive

[balmy canopy]

no because i need my hp low enough that i spend more time in a teammates body to worry about that

[pure plover]

Do we ever be able to find a consistantly way to posesss enemies

[pure plover]

How you play baby

[balmy canopy]

Snowball to force them to pay attention to me and off my teammates,
Steel Skin to reduce damage so i don't explode on the spot and Guardian Angel so my teammates get 25% damage reduction and last long enough for me to give them lifesteal plus 2 greens improves all defense for me

[random thorn]

i'm 99% sure finishers are just random

[balmy canopy]

They really shouldn't be for characters like baby

[random thorn]

agreed. It's stupid. He might as well not have a passive

[bleak mountain]

Buff baby passive

[tawny gate]

been 3 weeks since i landed the passive

am straving man

[bleak mountain]

It only works out when you're winning

Which is useless

[fathom rapids]

passive is not good... just an extra life thats all

[random thorn]

They really need to rework the passive

[tawny gate]

100 percent agree but how will they do it tho

[random thorn]

make his possession turn the finished enemy into a friendly bot that follows you around until they respawn

[tawny gate]

do you still have to land the finisher

[random thorn]

they'd somehow have to make finishers more consistent in general. Either way, the passive is flawed due to their randomness

[bleak mountain]

Either that or any type of ko your do triggers you passive

[random thorn]

Until baby gets an actually usable passive, i unfortunately don't see him competing with the higher tier tanks at all :(

[balmy canopy]

have him take over a fallen hero body so he can actually use his finisher on it

[balmy canopy]

have baby possession last the full 24 seconds instead of 5s when he's full hp but cover fire now consumes 0.5 seconds

[topaz gyro]

In my time with him, and I might be biased because he is my favorite tank, they have to be very careful with any changes because his passive being bad is the only thing stopping him from being in the top 3 tanks

[balmy canopy]

not really the enemy possession body had lower hp then frieza i think so it was only worth it to use there ult on boss

[austere copper]

The fact it has lower hp doesn't change the issue

Whenever he comes out, he is full healed

During the network test it was easy to abuse to just go on rampage and kill everyone alone

It was a lot easier to trigger

I guess they nerfed it somehow

[viscid epoch]

Baby is my favorite tank as well I wish he was better

He's the main reason why I stopped being a 1/2 trick and learned how to play other characters

[viscid epoch]

Imagine taking over an enemy and then schooling their team better then they were beating you

[viscid epoch]

Starting a daily quest wish me luck in my endeavors
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[austere copper]

It's the fact everyone is using skills that makes it hard to proc

If you finish up someone with rush attacks, you're guaranteed to possess them.

[viscid epoch]

Nope I actually killed someone with a rush attack once or twice but it didn't turn into a finisher

[austere copper]

How long did you use rush attacks on them ? If someone else was hitting them with skills, it's unlikely to give you the last hit.

But as long as you kill someone with a rush attack, it should proc a finisher, which activate the passive

I've just played a match, and it proced every single time

The trick is to click your rush attack button, do not stay pressed on it

Consider it like Dabura petrification. If you just press the rush attack in continue, it won't trigger it as it's a different action

You just gotta spam click it instead when they are getting low

[balmy canopy]

you have spam click for it to work for you? i just hold the button and finisher automatically triggers for me

[austere copper]

Well, when you hold it can finish enemies without triggering a finisher

While clicking it multiple times guarantee a finisher

[viscid epoch]

Ykw? I think along with slightly higher HP buff baby needs some form of damage reduction when an ally is nearby and that he should give like 15% DR when he possesses an ally with his S3

I know he's not supposed to be a traditional tank but he really needs something more to make up for the fact that he's not a traditional tank...especially with how fast he and his allies can be bursted down in late-end game when he tries to possess someone with S3

[tawny gate]

what can baby do aginst ssjgod vegeta

[austere copper]

Nothing

[bleak mountain]

Scream

[gleaming hinge]

Hide inside teamamte lol

[trail night]

Won’t work, the teammate would die

Either that or there isn’t any teammates near you

[topaz gyro]

supercooldown 2 is incredible

i can essentially possess forever

[trail night]

What’s the level order for baby

Also is build up, giant slayer, and defense step good?

[viscid epoch]

S3 -> S2 -> ult -> S1

[trail night]

Skill one is the last priority? Man I’ve been playing baby wrong the whole time

[little valve]

its alright i guess

imo theres no one true baby build because hes just pretty underwhelming in multiple areas so theres a variety of ways you can build him to compensate for specific things

[trail night]

There’s no best card build for baby?

[little valve]

it depends who you asked, im just saying that personally i think theres many viable builds and theres no one obvious best build

[trail night]

Ah ok

[trail night]

That sucks bc he’s the only tank I find fun

Only other tank I have fun with is base Vegeta and only on super start so I ca have ki blasts every 2 seconds

[topaz gyro]

the reason is that S2 and S3 synergize, when you do damage with S2 you lower the cd on S3 and S3 keeps you inside a teamate long enough for S2 to mostly refresh

S1 is mostly only for add clear or keeping an enemy from getting near you or running past you

[trail night]

Ah ok

What do you do with his passive, it seems pretty bad

[topaz gyro]

it basically does nothing

[trail night]

The restriction of having to do a finisher limits it a lot

Also if you do kill someone you only get it for how long they ded

[topaz gyro]

its not absolutely nothing but it may as well be

you also look like an ally to an enemy player if you dont attack anything

but again, with how fast the game is its really only good for a free health bar refresh

[trail night]

Spy tf2 type of deception

[topaz gyro]

yes, or more recently, Loki in Rivals

but you are able to time your posessions right you essentially have forever health bars

that is his main strength

[trail night]

I'll put this knowledge to use

[trail night]

What about helpers

[topaz gyro]

i tend to like Spopovich

since you are jumping into allies, Cabba isnt as good as with other tanks

since the nerf Rildo isnt worth the slot

maybe Icarus, since Baby doesnt have a movement ability

Spopovich combos well with S1 & 2 rather nicely since it pulls them to your position that means you can get behind them and push them away from their tower and slow them while they run

[trail night]

I never thought to use spopovich

Though it does make sense if you want to use your passive

[topaz gyro]

that too.

also, Snowball is more than enough to make up for your lack in damage, for card 2 you should go Steel Skin and either green on card 3

possess doesnt keep your scaling damage from cards, so you are better off with just Snowball to get your S2 and Ult up to snuff, then get your defense up to make the most out of your multiple health bars

[trail night]

Cool

[trail night]

I figured out that it takes 10 ults to fully build up baby's ult damage

[topaz gyro]

the recent patch flipped it, most of his ult damage is upfront now and gets slightly better over time

[trail night]

ah ok

[balmy canopy]

i like guardian angel so my team mate stays healthy enough for me to jump in there body and they don't die instantly when i do that

[topaz gyro]

I also prefer guardian angel

But defense step is also good

[trail night]

Playing baby has made me realize how little situational awearness some temmates have

I was with a teammate in a 2v2 that we could've won, the moment I tried to possess them they ran off for no reason

leaving me to die

[topaz gyro]

Yeah there are not many characters that FORCE you to learn base mechanics like positioning or resource management

Baby and Freeza are two of them.

[viscid epoch]

10 days in my quest
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[balmy canopy]

Maybe add he can jump into a defeated fighters body on the ground? And it's highlighted for him?

[topaz gyro]

I have an idea for his Passive

when he kills or assists in a KO, the enemy body stays alive as a cell jr style npc/turret where they follow Baby around for the duration of their owners death timer + 10 seconds

not stationary towers like Zarbon or Dodoria.

[trail night]

That would make sense, but only for super baby and super baby 2

This is young body baby

He doesn't have a host, and his passive lets him have a host for a few seconds

Besides, I already like the idea of taking over the enemy and using it as your own instead of just having them as turrets minions

They just need to change the activation conditions and how long it lasts

[topaz gyro]

lol, i wonder if Super Baby will be a Tank or Support

wait

Baby and Vegeta are both tanks nvm

[trail night]

Probably tanks bc of the trend of the same character being in one class

[topaz gyro]

i was thinking of Freeza since my brain was on turrets

[balmy canopy]

i want adult baby as a tech where he takes over mobs and have them follow him around

[trail night]

I wasn't saying your idea was bad, it just didn't make sense for a tanks and for baby canonically

[trail night]

Same, he probably would be tanks bc young baby is tank but still

[topaz gyro]

i just thought it would be thematic for what the Baby "power fantasy" is

its why i am not happy about Kid Buu being a Tech

Kid Buu is not a technical "power fantasy"

he is a Attack power fantasy

[trail night]

Kid buu just has a wacky moveset, bro has everything in his bag

[topaz gyro]

i wanna blow myself up with my Planet Burst reform and have infinite stamina

[trail night]

It makes sense that he's tech, ofc I don't like that but it makes more sense

[trail night]

That's what zamasu has

[topaz gyro]

like, i want Zamasu Ult where he zeroes his own health

oh lol

like i wanna do the floor kick or Mystic Ball

[balmy canopy]

i hope baby vegeta is a tank like cell where he goes around collecting evolution energy from mobs to transform 3 times and he split damage between all the mobs he tufflized

[trail night]

I wish there was an ester egg when you possess vegeta you get the same eyes and hair in ssj as the show

[topaz gyro]

i want mobs he kills to be possessed and start walking down the nearest lane LoL style

make him an RTS hero

i want an RTS hero in a Moba so bad

Abathur in HoTS is the closest i have ever felt to it

[balmy canopy]

Malzahar baby vegeta? i could see it

[topaz gyro]

i just love Asymmetrical characters in games a lot

[balmy canopy]

actually i mess with Malzahar baby ALOT after thinking about it

[trail night]

Bro wants baby from breakers

[topaz gyro]

like, having a summoner in a Hero shooter is a dream of mine, like Ultron in Rivals should have been a summoner where he calls in Tank,DPS, support drones all over

[topaz gyro]

as trash as breakers is, kinda

[balmy canopy]

is that really so bad lol

[trail night]

I wish breakers was good bro, bandai ran it to the dirt

Love the concept of the game

[topaz gyro]

bro, i have like 650 hours in Dead by Daylight, and like 200 in Evolve, Breakers was supposed to be FOR ME

[trail night]

Defense theme is such a banger bro

[balmy canopy]

baby summons a group of tufflized mobs that split damage from allies onto themselves while helping fight the enemy team while he goes in with Variant Drive that can either be a 2 hit combo like ulthan or a kiai that pushes enemies away,
Reverse Shot that hits enemies or if it miss reverse directions to deal increased damage and stagger would be peak

[topaz gyro]

like built in reverse Guardian Angel?

[balmy canopy]

no the damage is spread out equally to all in range

no damage reduction

[topaz gyro]

so like Soul Bond for Adam Warlock in Rivals

if you have played it

[balmy canopy]

yeah like that

[tawny gate]

baby buffs lets go

also like does he heal the ally more or do you heal in the ally more

[viscid epoch]

basically baby's possession heals him while he in an allies body and the damage his allies do combined with cover fire heals them

The skill doesn't start it's expiration timer until he fully heals in an allies body so the lower his HP by the time he uses his S3 the longer you'll stay in an ally

so now on top of all the time it has when you jump into an ally while close to death it'll now last for an extra 2 seconds

How is baby now btw after the buffs? I know he isn't meta but is he any close to being a real tank?

[viscid epoch]

His S1 push looks insane at lv3

[random thorn]

He feels much nicer to play

The reduction of his skill 2 CD is very noticeable despite being only a second shorter

[viscid epoch]

I'm guessing his S3 also feels better now that it lasts for an extra 2 seconds and heals your ally more?

[random thorn]

The ally healing feels super good. You have time to heal them, and are able to heal more within the same time. It can actually keep people alive now

[viscid epoch]

That's great he's finally receiving proper help and I'm still working on him getting a proper passive along with buffs for 2 other tanks
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[viscid epoch]

So with the buffs to baby's healing can you always get away with maxing out S2 on a super start now or is his S3 still the better option?

[tawny gate]

depndes on the match up

[random thorn]

I still think skill 3 is the best to superstart

I'll do that, then double up on skill 2 for level 3

[viscid epoch]

1 match in with baby and S3 feels a metric ton better then before

[balmy canopy]

you always super start skill 2 because of how strong it is early game you don't need his energy blast before level 8

[heavy leaf]

whats so good about s2 besides the dr? thought it was one of his worst abilities

[topaz gyro]

it reduces Skill 3's cooldown per hit

its his strongest skill

[heavy leaf]

damn thats good, but what about damage wise?

[topaz gyro]

i get most of my kills with it

split with S3

[heavy leaf]

Got it, what about cards?

[topaz gyro]

i like to go bruiser

so i like snowball, steel, defense

[heavy leaf]

Aight thanks for the tips

[sage haven]

Usually run snowball for first card

2nd card varies on user preference

and last one I usually run guardian angel since it both lowers your hp instead of your teammates' (allowing possession's benefits to last longer), as well as keeping them in the fight longer before and after you run possession (basically helping to maintain a team fight in your favor). That said, there is also an argument to be made for defense step (like if you're getting caught but you don't got teammates nearby to help/hide in)

[heavy leaf]

Ill experiment around i guess

[sage haven]

Yeah, frankly the "best" cards can vary depending on the characters and playstyles of both friends and enemies, so just see which works for you

Like if the enemies aren't wiping the floor with you, you can probably get away with shredding their entire health bar using snowball and giant slayer (or securing kills with prepare to die, if you're able to get the hits in. Maybe via the covering fire or smthing)

While other times you may want to build more defensively so you don't die when, say, a SSJ Goku jumps on you (barrier for burst damage, steel skin for prolonged damage)

[topaz gyro]

i prefer LBJ or Defense, since Baby doesnt really have a movement tool

[sage haven]

Yeah, they are pretty great options (especially if you're finding yourself more alone than not).

But the way I see it, if your teammates are able to live long enough, they are your movement tool (via possession)

[viscid epoch]

Tuffle supremacy!
#✨game-moments message

[viscid epoch]

I'm starting to play around with art of decoy and honestly...I don't think it's a bad option

[gleaming hinge]

Is leveling up s3 even worth it?

I max s1 and s2 with ult

Leave s3 at lvl 1

[trail night]

It gives more healing and a longer range on lvl up

Ofc it’s worth it

[viscid epoch]

Yes S3 gives more healing and fires more bullets at higher levels

[viscid epoch]

My upgrade route if I have a good partner is
S3 -> S3 -> S2 -> S2 -> Ult -> skip until lv8 -> S3 & S2 -> Ult -> S1 -> Ult -> S1 -> S1

Especially if they're a God Vegeta/Tank counter but they normally can't stay in due to their HP when it gets low so Dabura/Toppo/Z Broly

[gleaming hinge]

I feel like you are throwing if you are not getting s1 early

It has such good dmg. You can steal kais from a far and save teammates from dying

[topaz gyro]

maybe i wasnt around for this conversation, but what is the deal with everyone saying to not level up on 7?

what difference does it make?

[viscid epoch]

Not leveling up a skill at lv7 let's you either max out 2 skills or max out 1 skill and level up your ult

[balmy canopy]

no your throwing by actually getting S1 before level 8 it's not getting it unless you super start S2, Because all other skills do it's job better

[gleaming hinge]

So you leave getting kais to the other dps?

You will basically be skill less if you used both s2 and s3 for like 5-8 sec

[sage haven]

Definitely, I prioritise it after S2

(Don't neglect skill 1 if you can though, it is surprisingly helpful for farming)

[ripe vessel]

[mortal patio]

Baby is best Tank in the game, prove me wrong

[fossil marsh]

I can’t

[mortal patio]

why?

[fossil marsh]

Because he is the best tank

[mortal patio]

YEAHHHHHHHH

[fossil marsh]

Check the baby rankings

[mortal patio]

why is no one playing baby or talking about him though?

its all about the flashy new characters getting in the spotlight

[fossil marsh]

Because they won’t except that baby is too good and try’s to ignore him

[mortal patio]

good healing support, and self heal

push back enemies

good damage

and a secure

[fossil marsh]

Good ult

[mortal patio]

BRO IS THE PERFECT TANK

[mortal patio]

exactly what i mean't by secure

instant damage for boss

secure boss

[fossil marsh]

Sad they had to give baby a limit on how much stacks his ult gets😔

Had to nerf the goat

[mortal patio]

either way he is still the goat

one time his ult killed the enemy cell who was the last one alive, he kept regenerating and running away so i just ulted and it killed him

got the team wipe and won

[fossil marsh]

One time I ulted and killed 2 dps and got a full green cell to 20% ish health

[mortal patio]

GAH DAYUM

[fossil marsh]

And that wasn’t even the one that put me on the leaderboard

[mortal patio]

FAHHHHH

[balmy canopy]

because the player base don't know how to play him and when they do don't know what cards to use

[tawny gate]

well hes not the best tank if you got dumb team mates that escape while they have full health an your in them an theres only 1 oppent

[viscid epoch]

It's easier to just win a good chunk of fights for free as god vegeta then to try to use your brain as baby

[topaz gyro]

That’s what I’ve been saying if his passive actually worked it would be in the top 5

[viscid epoch]

I'm 25 days in getting that buffed or reworked and counting
#📬submitted-game-feedback message

[topaz gyro]

i know bro, i hit the react everytime i see it

[tall condor]

It would be great if Baby could mark enemies with the 3, and if the enemy dies, automatically posses the body.

[sage haven]

Wonder if his passive could be tweaked so it could be like the revive chamber mechanic (i.e. he just needs to stand in the vicinity of a KO'd character)

[viscid epoch]

That or he can go into defeated enemy heroes but it shaves a few seconds of off how long he possesses their body (without making them revive faster of course)

[keen spruce]

Might actually be unusable

[ripe vessel]

Top two tanks btw

[keen spruce]

He is not even top 5

[ripe vessel]

You’re just bad

[keen spruce]

He isn't good

[ripe vessel]

With his buffs it’s hard to suck with him

[fossil marsh]

Anyone who cant play as baby is bad, prove me wrong

[tall condor]

The only way you can be bad as Baby, is if your teammates are bad.

[viscid epoch]

Best part about baby is that with the right character/player you can make them near immortal
Worst part is that you either need a friend or to find someone willing since you won't find that often in soloQ

[fossil marsh]

Best solo q you’ll find is a Goku that knows how to use baby to the full extent

[viscid epoch]

9 times out of 10 in soloQ your DPS is going to rush into the god goku and god vegeta duo before you can take damage so your S3 possession can last longer die and then rage ping you like you're the problem

[tall condor]

My bests random duos were Broly, Dabra, Kefla and Vegetto

[viscid epoch]

Like bro I get that I have way less HP then other tanks but things can still go well if you let me absorb some of the damage for you in the beginning

[tall condor]

And Toppo. but I didn't see much Toppos while playing

[viscid epoch]

Welp those are his best partners
Characters who want to be up close or even in the heart of the fight but normally can't due to their HP

Super Vegito being the best in team fights because he does have the HP to back it up

While Dabura/Toppo/Broly can deal with god vegeta's while possessed with life steal

Well overconfident god vegeta's

[tall condor]

I can usually keep them alive with the ki blast from the S3, it's insane how both enemies drain their HP while the ally keeps theirs with lifesteal

[viscid epoch]

Baby would be a top tier tank if
He had or could actually use his passive mid-late game
If he had like 10-15% more HP
If he healed less during his S3 so the possession could last even longer

[tall condor]

At this point I see Baby more like a Techincal than a Tank, I think it fits more

Specially because short distance DPS goes Top

The story of my plays history

[viscid epoch]

Theoretically his passive on paper gives him great potential since every character you get better at your also technically get better as baby when the time comes for you to possess someone but of course early game it doesn't last long enough for you to do anything with it and in late game everyone is getting vaporized in a few skills/an ultimate making a finisher extremely hard to get

[tall condor]

Yep, i felt OP when I posessed a Bardock and KOed a Kid Buu and a Mini Goku

[little valve]

worst tank btw

[mortal patio]

hello? super saiyan vegeta?

[little valve]

baby is worse

[fossil marsh]

Sure

[little valve]

you can say what you want idc

[fossil marsh]

Gulp

[little valve]

hes objectively a terrible tank lol

[ripe vessel]

You’re just terrible

[tall condor]

It can be a good Tank.

-Possessed Bodies gives 2 healthbars to Baby, enduring almost x2
-Possessed allies tanks a lot and Baby still comes out with full health.
-Health gain is insane at Late Game if you know when to use skills.

It's up to use, and even it's bulky with the almost nonexistent Passive.

[little valve]

fs

[viscid epoch]

Let's go! I'm 4 weeks in
#📬submitted-game-feedback message

[vapid lynx]

Do not give SSJegeta more defence

Bro has shield regen on 2 abilities, a pull for strong combos and a good damage ult that heals him for all his shields

I use Build up, (Giant Slayer/Steel Skin), Guardian Angel and die twice per game on average

[balmy canopy]

his passive is useless depsite suppose to give him skills back to use that shield AND his shield regen either takes too long to trigger (skill 3) or barely gives shield regen per hit which is useless when your gang up on by 3 characters.

[vapid lynx]

You're right

[tawny gate]

this chat feels like baby is considering to posses vegeta or not

[viscid epoch]

If only we had image perms so we can have a gimmick of who to infect or not

[topaz gyro]

i would infect Android 21, ifunowhtimean

[tawny gate]

my man

[topaz gyro]

🫸 🫷

[mortal patio]

a bit of an "Ayo?!" moment but whatever internet, have your fun

[topaz gyro]

how so?

[mortal patio]

do you want me to explain like a nerd but you can understand everything, or would you rather it be short but can barely understand

red pill, blue pill ahh scenario

i just like roasting myself idk why

[topaz gyro]

"how wude" - Jarjar Binks

[viscid epoch]

Hey I've been thinking on the off chance that baby does get his passive off in late-end game should he get like a small-medium restore on his cooldowns (excluding ultimate/super attack) so he isn't stuck with that character's long CDs?

It could be like the cooldown reduction divine draw where it's relative
The longer the CD the greater reduction it gives so his skills doesn't immediately refresh with low CD characters

[tawny gate]

i agree with this 100 percent

[viscid epoch]

And so he can't immediately hop out of the enemies body and use Possession (Allies) again

[topaz gyro]

there are so many fighters with ult resets now its not like it would be a big deal either way

[viscid epoch]

Yeah but baby's ult does more damage the more you land it while only having like...a 50 seconds CD

[tawny gate]

i tought the damage only increse once

i tried it in training mode

or am i blind

[fossil marsh]

Every person you hit it increases permanently until a certain point, think it’s about somewhere between 6-10

Times

[balmy canopy]

DON'T FORGET IT RESETS IF IT DOESN'T HIT A ENEMY HERO

[fossil marsh]

Wait what

[balmy canopy]

i wish you had a icon to tell you if you have a stack

[viscid epoch]

Us tuffles will have our revenge against the saiyans and other tanks once S3 CD Boost becomes a divine draw

[vapid lynx]

S2 cooldown already does that

[viscid epoch]

Yeah but you gotta max it out for it's real value imagine the early games with Super Start + S3 CD boost

[jaunty stirrup]

You want 3ku to be able to IT even sooner?

[viscid epoch]

It's gonna happen eventually since the squadra devs will lack that foresight like they did with hit originally

Then they nerfed him purely because of that instead of the divine draw instead of the other way around at first

They try so hard to make this game competitive but keep making "for the vibes" choices as well

[jaunty stirrup]

They've lost the casual audience ages ago, but that's the audience they want

[topaz gyro]

with how my teammates play, there are still plenty of casuals

[vapid lynx]

Yeah even in S rank some people are questionnable

Especially since it's not hard to get S rank, you just need to play a lot

[austere copper]

They didn't lose the casual audience, it's the huge majority of players

There are 10 times the steam number of players playing on mobile

[sage haven]

Bonjour

[topaz gyro]

[balmy canopy]

maybe as a buff for baby passive he can do a finisher independent of the teammate body he is infecting leaving them with a burst of healing as he jumps into a enemy heroes body?

[tawny gate]

if that ever happnes us baby mains will never see our team mates in our lains ever again

like a swear everytime i super start S3 my teammate is nowhere to be seen for the whole game

[balmy canopy]

we have this from skill 2 CD

[tawny gate]

every new char is a baby buff beacuse more bodys to steel or posses

[topaz gyro]

soon they will see who the boss is.

[viscid epoch]

Can't wait until baby becomes meta and wr get to use that quote unironically

[topaz gyro]

new Healing AOE making us even stronger

now every Baby skill will heal instead of just possess

[viscid epoch]

Kill people AND heal people at the same time

[topaz gyro]

and all of Baby's abilities are massive aoe's

[viscid epoch]

Baby + Broly/Vegito/etc combo is about to be more nuts then ever

[topaz gyro]

if the nerf list hits the top tanks and Baby slips through he will be coming into this season strong

Squadra will know our peoples suffering

[viscid epoch]

They all have a taste of our hatred!

[tawny gate]

so skill one is good like with the heal diven draw since it got low cd an massive range

[topaz gyro]

and pushes enemies away from them too

[viscid epoch]

Just put "i play for the day that Baby (Young Body) becomes a meta tank" in why I keep playing genkishin squadra

[fossil marsh]

Someone should make a baby young body song

[trail night]

It’s gonna sound like that beat xqc made

[tawny gate]

hope the next patch gives our passive something

[viscid epoch]

If not then I continue my daily streak in #📬submitted-game-feedback

[topaz gyro]

how embarassing is it for both Gods + SSJ1 & Kid Buu (the current meta team) to win every boss, get a 4k, and lose to Baby, SSJ3, Trunks and Hit?

[fossil marsh]

BABY BUFFS

Kinda

[topaz gyro]

What buffs?

[fossil marsh]

Look in game channel

And go up abit

[topaz gyro]

YOOOOO

He is now better at cycling s2 & s3

And enemies cooldowns during possession are now ignored

[viscid epoch]

1 thing i asked for is basically done!

Now to work on making the possession itself easier to pull off

[balmy canopy]

that buff is insane wtf

[topaz gyro]

Thankfully no one knows how to play baby so he will always look bad by the metrics they use to buff and nerf around

[viscid epoch]

Thank you content creator tierlists and mainly SoloQ incompetence

[viscid epoch]

Jesus christ lv1 energy explosion shaves off 2 seconds per hit now

And his S3 even lowers his ult cooldown!

It charges it up by like 30% without baby even having to take damage

#✨game-moments message

[viscid epoch]

Basically if we play baby decently then his skills are never on cooldown!

[topaz gyro]

Dude, even looking at the patch notes videos they still say he is gonna suck

[narrow schooner]

he's actually good now, you can start a fight with his ult, s2, possess and you get the s2 back and ult is mostly back

by then you'll have done good dmg and all that

[tawny gate]

hey its in out advantge that peaple think tha baby suck it means no nerfs

[viscid epoch]

Yep people are still making the same mistake calling baby trash

Let's see them keep making it until it's too late

We're just lore accurate baby gaining power in the shadows until no one can stop us

[random thorn]

WE'RE SO BACK

[tall condor]

Makes haters OHKO with charged Revenge Blast

[viscid epoch]

Can confirm if you managed to possess an enemy and immediately hop out of their body by trying to return to base your original skills will be off of cooldown as well

[tawny gate]

so thre is a possiblty of hopping in an ally then enemy then ally again

[viscid epoch]

Yep chain possessions

[mortal patio]

BUFFS FOR BABY??

AM I DREAMING?

LES GOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[tawny gate]

baby feels 200 percent better

[topaz gyro]

THE WHOLE UNIVERSE WILL BE TUFFLES

[viscid epoch]

And people still believes he's trash
We're getting more buffs if the others don't catch on and if Asia doesn't go crazy since they have catch on

[pliant kite]

Oh they buffed the goat

[tawny gate]

so whats the best cards an skills for him now after the new patch or is it still the same old stuff

[fossil marsh]

Pretty sure the same stuff

[balmy canopy]

i use snowball, steel skin and guardian angel

[tall condor]

I do too

[topaz gyro]

I use ball, gs, guardian

[random thorn]

I don't actaully notice guardian angel on him that much

I'm greedier. I go for snowball giant slayer, defense step

[topaz gyro]

its not about taking less damage

its about stealing damage from teammates so your S3 gets stronger, faster

[viscid epoch]

Yeah but I thought guardian angel doesn't work when your doing S3

[topaz gyro]

its doesnt matter, you need to get to low health for S3 to be maximum effect

the easiest way to do that is to take part of the entire teams received damage

if the enemy team is smart, they will ignore baby, Guardian Angel mitigates the risk of that

[crude scaffold]

what's the best cards on him?

been running snowball, prepare to die, wicked warrior for like 3 seasons now lol

[topaz gyro]

snowball for sure

i prefer giant and Guardian for 2 and 3

[crude scaffold]

oh yeah I guess guardian kinda fixes the issue where baby has a ton of hp left over while his teammate's dying

currently going s2, s3 and ignoring ult til s2 and s3 is maxed rn for skill priorities

is this fine or is there something better

S1 is p much never touched outside of just having it

[topaz gyro]

focus leveling Ult over 1

the cdr is so crazy on his cover fire

[crude scaffold]

yeah that's what I'm kinda doing

S2 and S3 focused and ult focused after S2/S3 is maxed

[topaz gyro]

it may as well be a normal skill

[crude scaffold]

I noticed lol it's so messed up

[viscid epoch]

The best of the S3 buff is that it makes it better to actually possess your allies when they're starting to get mid/low HP instead of the other way around since it refreshes your S2/everything else so you can get your S3 back

[crude scaffold]

idk why they gave him so much cooldown reduction

[topaz gyro]

my path is usually
3, 2, 3, ult, 2, skip, 2+3, ult, 1, ult, ult, 1

[crude scaffold]

damn outright just not grabbing s1?

[topaz gyro]

why would i when S3 makes the ult a normal skill (cdr wise)

[crude scaffold]

fair point

[viscid epoch]

Mine is 3, 3, to try and force a win in the first lane fight 2, ult, 2, then n the rest as you did

[topaz gyro]

i always use the ult to open too, i can essentially do it every combat

his ult is great at blowing open the front line