Super Saiyan Goku

[vast socket]

It just isn't

[wide elbow]

I didn't

I like pure damage

[vast socket]

And that's just not correct?

[wide elbow]

Well the person never asked specifically if he wanted a build for a squishy or a heavy hitter

Goku is all around a good DPS still even if he gets nerfed

[vast socket]

he doesn't need to be specific

[wide elbow]

You can't really nerf him unless you heavily decrease his Spirit Bomb DMG

[vast socket]

For now, there is a 100% correct build

And its buildup solid barrier backstab

[wide elbow]

I am ngl with you

[vast socket]

He got hit pretty hard

They removed the stagger

Thats very huge

[wide elbow]

I refuse to think that multiple people run these builds for every character thats why I am fighting against your choice of cards

[vast socket]

The damage on both hits are nerfed, the duration is nerfed, and it lands slower

[wide elbow]

NO one and I mean NO ONE is going to run green cards on non squishy dps

[vast socket]

Im ngl bro

U dont play the game

Like there is no other way I can tell you this

[wide elbow]

I am S/A1/A4 and played since the first minute it dropped gng what are you on bout

[vast socket]

literally every dps runs buildup except piccolo ssj3 daima

[wide elbow]

Thats because SSj3 is a Snowball Required

[wide elbow]

plus ssj3 is a super start merchant

[vast socket]

lol thats actually true

[wide elbow]

Point still stands I run snowball giant backstab on goku

and I still think thats a good build before his nerf happens

[wide elbow]

im not wrong

[vast socket]

theyre literally nerfing buildup and solid barrier

[wide elbow]

he got nerfed twice

[vast socket]

Once

[wide elbow]

the only way he good is with super start kame and tp

[vast socket]

Nerf didnt matter

We just didnt know how to play the game on s1

Hes bad because he cant ult boss 1

Not because his moves are bad

[wide elbow]

They keep nerfing Goku but we still forgetting to double nerf gohan 😭 I want Ulthan to get another nerf

[vast socket]

Tbf

goku did deserve it

Hes been top 1 dps after 2 nerfs

[wide elbow]

I haven't seen a goku in my lobbies in 16 games so far

everyone keep running non secures

like

Toppo
Broly
Trunks
Uub
18

[vast socket]

Thats because most ppl are bored of goku

[wide elbow]

No Goku or SSJ 3

[vast socket]

And ure not fighting stacks

Or theyre just running piccolo instead

[wide elbow]

I run DPS Goku but I am grinding for S on Tank

so I can't

[vast socket]

Like on paper

[wide elbow]

yeah but it doesnt make sense

[vast socket]

I would say bomb nerf isnt end of the world

But stagger is pretty big

[wide elbow]

why do I not get a secure boss teammate but the other team gets a picollo and goku comined

combined*

[vast socket]

And the dmg nerf to bomb is also pretty considerable

[wide elbow]

so is he not a secure anymore?

or what

This is why I run snow on goku

[vast socket]

he hasnt been nerfed yet

[wide elbow]

4 stacks with giant slayer should total 50% of the boss hp with Kaioken

[vast socket]

Itll happen tomorrow

You can't correlate it yet

And no

He still should be good secure wise i think

[wide elbow]

Welp I won't be maining him tmr

so not my problem ngl

I got 865 gems

Vegito WILL be my main from now on when he drops

[vast socket]

Im sure hes gonna be insane in laning phase

But his ult doesnt strike me as a secure

[wide elbow]

Vegito seems to pass in the Evasive and Crowd Control factor

I think he will be pretty bad in terms of 1 on 1's just because everything on his kit seems to be relying on a group jumping him

so he will probably be really great when jumping a boss since everyones on it

[steep sun]

I wonder if the recent cards buffs and nerfs will change goku’s build
since snowball, build up and barrier got much weaker

[mystic idol]

They genuinely executed this char

RIP

[mild siren]

nah

they didn’t

just not the must pick anymore

[bright rapids]

He's finally mid.....

https://tenor.com/view/goku-vs-frieza-goku-super-saiyan-goku-goku-namek-gif-10975392783009481426

[granite dawn]

nah he‘s still very good

[rain mica]

You guys will still know the horror sadly

[mild siren]

yeah i played a few matches and bosses still melt like butter

its just

the butter is a little firmer

so you gotta like

mash the butter a little

[pine igloo]

Bro KINDA fell off tbh

https://tenor.com/view/goku-ssj-goku-cell-saga-panting-exhausted-gif-17128279692734367533

[wispy fog]

Why’d they nerf my boy nameku while leaving ulthan and 4geta completely untouched

[rigid jacinth]

What cards are best to run with this guy for now ?? Considering the nerfs

[vast socket]

Too easy solid barrier/giant slayer backstab

You can also go snowball ig

[rigid jacinth]

Thanks , ,

[vast socket]

Forgot to mention defensive step

[halcyon nest]

It's similar to what I'm running with Vegito rn I think.

Too Easy
Giant Slayer
Defense Step, but you could also use backstab if you care about cooldowns.

[rigid jacinth]

Ah yeah , , I already felt like Solid Barrier wasn't really doing too much

[halcyon nest]

Solid Barrier has really fallen off.
But Giant Slayer at late game does more damage than pre-nerfed Snowball.

[wispy fog]

ssj goku fell off so hard hes actually kinda a throw pick

which i hate cuz i mained him in season 1

[granite dawn]

nah he‘s still a pretty good pick he does exactly what he did before but slightly worse

[vast socket]

Spirit bomb is a one shot with kidhan barrier

Unfortunately it falls so slow other ults will probably get it first

Still really good if u time it to boss spawn to probs

[steep sun]

how do yall play goku early game
I kinda suck at it a little

[scarlet wigeon]

Goku hit and run

[bright rapids]

Alright hear me out: Ssj goku with Boss Hunter.

[bright rapids]

SURELY NOW SSJ GOKU IS ON HIS DEATH BED, RIGHT?

[vast socket]

He was actually still best pick before this patch

they nerfed kidhan barrier hella

So he cant cheese boss anymore

Idk

probably

[mild siren]

still can’t quite get used to when to use spirit bomb

any tips?

any, like, “frame kills” i can do?

[woven hull]

so what skill do you guys usually max out first? tryna main goku

[granite dawn]

idk if it’s still up to date because I haven’t played him in season 3 but you go meteor smash and kamehameha, then you put one point into kaioken and then you always upgrade meteor smash or kamehameha and genkidama at lvl 10 and 11

honestly it’s up to you if you prefer kamehameha or meteor smash

[snow salmon]

Let them come at you, dash away, if they dash at you, get close to them and ult

[mild siren]

up to you to pick one of meteor hammer or kamehameha, both are good

usually i like maxing kamehameha first

but the downtime between max khh and max meteor hammer isnt that long

[woven hull]

thx, havent played since squadra released in september so im very early game ;-;

[granite dawn]

No problem. if you have any questions you can just ask

[final chasm]

So what is ssj goku’s best card build now?

I’ve just been running all reds

(Snowball, prepare to die, pursuer)

[granite dawn]

probably too easy, giant slayer and defensive step

[snow salmon]

Goku either needs a massive buff of a rework, he sucks. No def, such low hp and no damage

[granite dawn]

no damage is crazy but yeah he’s not as good as before without kid gohan s3

[snow salmon]

Last game it was 1 vs 3, they were so low hp you needed one ability to kill them all, but Goku? He didn't do damage, I went with meteor crush + kaioken and they didn't died, direct hit Kamehameha and they DIDN'T DIED, and they killed me in such short time

[granite dawn]

which build are you using?

[last flare]

Sad to say that he is a liability now

[mild siren]

is there any difference between level 3 kaioken and level 2 kaioken?

cause im not seeing any

[snow salmon]

More DMG,def and speed...that should be obvious

[mild siren]

except i don’t see any difference in training mode

damage increase is the same, speed boost is the same

[mild siren]

ok how do you fight kefla as this character

im outfarmed, outranged, and can only catch kills if im fresh and she just had a fight

[snow salmon]

Kaioken + meteor crusher , let her dash away, then kaioken + Kamehameha and she dies, kefla has low def like piccolo, 2 hits and she dies

If she runs use kaioken to chase her before she's far enough

[floral carbon]

My man needs his Second Kaioken, and old Genki-Dama Back

[blazing yacht]

Idk Abt old bomb but the kaiolen would def make him more fluid to use

[floral carbon]

fine
the Old Bomb kinda made things a bit Toxic, but at least make it do more than tickle damage when you're alone

but The kaioken yea, that would be great

[rain mica]

hes still really good in this meta

adding those back will probably make him top 3 dps again

[halcyon nest]

It's mainly a cooldown difference I think.

[plush aspen]

the buffs are stronger idk how much

[floral carbon]

GOKU IS BACK

actually nuts now

[pine igloo]

Is he top 5 yet?

[floral carbon]

I would say I am, but no not even close

[pine igloo]

Yeah after i sent that i looked at the current dps characters and no he’s not close

[velvet ginkgo]

Not the strongest but an easy to pick DPS with insane secure on his spirit bomb is always nice

[floral carbon]

Im gonna go out on a whim and say this

Goku's Spirit Bomb's speed should he how it used to be, they gutted its damage, i have no clue why these incompitent devs had to also gut its speed

[plush aspen]

lol

[floral carbon]

not only that, but out right double the damage of khh at this point, or nerf kefla
Its not fair that that peice of trash character Kefla has a move with the same cooldown, but it is outright FASTER, DOES MORE DAMAGE, and is just plainly undodgable, while Goku has to work 10 times as hard to land that 1 shot, just do die

The Kaioken buff was cool and all, but that needs a change too
keep it the way it is by also increasing its stats, make it double ur defense and damage ouright

And, make it so that the kaioken's duration is extended when ur are taking damage and/or attacking
again, Kefla has a Simmilar skil that lasta for nearly 4 times the duration

what the actual hell is a 2 second Kaioken going to do in a one on 1 fight
it should last longer WHEN fighting, and trying to protect urself from damage

In higher level play, I often die before that first Kamehameha animation is even over after a suprise attack
i dont even get to proc backstab, even gain any distance

I dont care that everyone is broken in their own way, keep it that way
but make them equally broken at least

[plush aspen]

have you even read what kaioken does? it literally gives Strike Attack Up, All Defense Up, and Movement Speed Up ontop of giving skills more damage BUT ANOTHER EFFECT

not only that but literally using another skill refreshes kaioken letting you use it after opening a fight with it

[floral carbon]

I have, and comparing it to kefla, that 2 seconds isnt even anything at all
you die by then, i get to slam my head against torunament players weekly, Goku has just become a throw pick, he's actually garbage now

the only good thing about him is his boss secure, and even thats not easy

takes an insane amount of skill to consistently do

i would know, I am a goku main
I got to S through solo que and just am always up against high ranking players even when solo quing
especially this time of day, he's just not good anymore

I can confidently say I play him better than the majority
but after months of being beaten down by kefla who is just straight up better, yea he is just not good

I already reached A1 two days after the season started from solo quing
I solo tanks late game using a strat for him I came up with
I know when to use his skills to reset the Kaioken cooldown to take advantage of backstab, I've been doing nothing but trying to make this charater work for the past 5 weeks

I've been playing no one else but him every day straight up for the past 5 weeks
He just isnt enough

[zealous coyote]

yeah goku against kefla is genuine hell atp

ig we really do know the horror

[rain mica]

squadra devs needs to atleast let every hero know the horror 🥹 ✌️

[zealous coyote]

if he gets one more buff every single hero WILL know the horror

[rustic path]

does kaioken count for pursuit?

[shrewd cipher]

don't know actually since kaioken powers up your rush attacks, could easily test it out in training i think?

[shrewd cipher]

I've been getting a bit into Goku recently, looking to make him my third DPS most likely.
What's you guys' preferred skill path? I usually just either avoid skill 2 for kamehameha + kaioken max rank or give it only one level but then only get one max-rank skill at lv8 (usually kamehameha)

[plush aspen]

you level up kaioken last not your second biggest source of damage silly

not only does Meteor Hammer give you back kaioken like kamehameha does ontop of having a shorter cooldown but it has a 70% slow

[zealous coyote]

you’d want to keep kaioken at level 1 for like most of the game, you’d want to max out every move before leveling up your kaioken, so max out metor hammer, kamehameha, and spirit bomb

once every move is maxed out then you can focus on leveling up kaioken

[shrewd cipher]

🥹 i was like 'kaioken feels good, surely i could level that', gotcha though.

[carmine thistle]

I love this guy because he's so plain. This guy goes back to Dragon Ball fundamentals. You dont have to think too much to use him to the fullest. Just grab this guy and have fun. Just dont upgrade his Kaioken until last

[rotund tendon]

What combo and skill priority?

[carmine thistle]

S1, S2, Ult, S3, in that order for skill priority

[floral carbon]

Depends on what ur DPS rank is

Cuz is higher level play you have to learn to hit the Khh without the hammer

because hitting the hammer is essentially telling ur enemy that ur getting ready to khh them, they always dodge behind you if they are even semicompotent

Im gonna go against the usual advice and tell you to level up Spirit Bomb last

Th Speed from kaioken is extremely priceless Mobily if you aren't rinning many green cards
hitting the point blank khh first allows you to use the hammer after that to regain ur Kaioken, this allows you to chase the enemy or escape using it depedning on the situation

Most people go for hammer first then khh, but swapping the order around is far more effective, but it does take some practice

The reason for this is like I mentioned, it allows u to use the hammer to escape or chase
but also, this is far more effective when done right because it kills them faster and they are way less likely to dodge behind u
Often times before bardock and Kefla got nerfed I'd die before the first khh animation was even over despite doing this suprise strat, so starting of with the hammer is just dumb

Taking them out faster means u get to walk of taking less damage over all so I'd hightly recommend swapping the order of ur skill use

start with point blank khh first, then hammer, spirit bomb can stay at level 1 until boss 3
then u can use it to take out bosses at level 2, but u really dont need it beyond that all to much after that
just for large team fights, so yea do focus on ur Kaioken a lot more

It also allows you to back farm a lot faster, always make sure to reset the Kaioken cooldown after taking out an NPC, then use it to run to the next one to efficently farm

[shrewd cipher]

It's funny because it rarely ever occurred to me to do hammer into kamehameha, like yeah it'd happen a few times but khh damage is so strong that oftentimes hammer helps with the followup and is less telegraphed if it's the 2nd ability better than the other way around.

[floral carbon]

Fax, thats how to go about it cuz Metior hammer is just a great follow up.
The faster the enemy dies the better.

[shrewd cipher]

Appreciate the tips. 🙏

[calm siren]

Guys, is it me or does kaio-ken last shorter when you activate it right after landing a skill?

[carmine thistle]

I think it lasts for only the skill when you do that, yeah

I think it's because it adds extra stuff to your skills when you compound them

Extra damage, bigger range, etc.

[calm siren]

Well, gokus model does go into kaio-ken for the animation of combining the skill so i guess it makes sense

But its funny to me that getting the timing wrong would technically get you more damage due to kaio-ken lasting longer

Cuz the follow-up does so little damage

Being on the topic of kaio-ken, did you know that upgrading kaio-ken to lvl 2 boosts the damage you get from kaio-ken but upgrading it further to lvl 3 does not?

[plush aspen]

that sounds like a bug

[fair bramble]

What are we thinking goku's best build is right now?
I've been running buildup giant slayer defense step, but thinking of swapping buildup for snowball, thoughts?

[fair bramble]

Also I love you these tips are insanely helpful, especially the kaioken farm tip

[floral carbon]

Ur welcome
here is another tip
use Kaioken first before Metior damage, it gets a massive damage buff

ay Max level(level 15) with Gaint slayer on an enemy running no defense, it does almost 2000 more damage

use the Kaioken before Hammer

Do know, if u plan to play in really high level, its an uphil climb, a very difficult and unforgiving uphill Climbm and you'll often have to go the extra Mile to Keep up playing this character
but I wish u the best

[carmine thistle]

Either is just as good. If you're good with him, go snowball. If not, stay buildup.

[scarlet wigeon]

Goku is nice

[rain mica]

is it safe to say that he's arguably better than kefla now

[carmine thistle]

Um, depends on if SSG Vegeta is in the lane with him or not. Skill 2 kinda requires the enemy to stay still or move very little to be most effective

[narrow pine]

what builds you guys using on goku?

[carmine thistle]

Build-Up (or Super Snowball if you're good with him), Giant Slayer, and Defense Step

[carmine thistle]

WE ARE SLEEPING ON THIS DUDE'S BURST DAMAGE HOLY HECK

[zealous coyote]

the ppl who play this character are either unbelievably garbage or insanely good players to ever grace this game, there is no in between

[floral carbon]

This is a blatant fact
When ever I see a Goku player on my team I worry that they'll even go afk most of the time

but hen they dont, they steal Bosses in a 1 v 3, get a quad kill, etc

[carmine thistle]

S2-->S3-->S1 is a crazy combo, especially in S2 Cooldown Reduction matches
This guy is good for more than just hammers

[zealous coyote]

its worse when they die all the time lol

[zealous coyote]

yeah he does crazy damage too, with cooldown reduction you can just spam kaioken since S2 replenishes kaioken lol

[burnt bane]

this is me atm 😭

I feel like I like his kit a lot, but im missing everything atm

feels like there is NOTHING i can do against god vegeta or goku

[carmine thistle]

Yeah hitting those skills are what restores your Kaioken, I just prefer activating Kaioken during S2 because of the Stagger

[zealous coyote]

valid

[carmine thistle]

As long as you jump people with your lanemate you get enough kills and assists to excuse using Snowball instead of something like Build Up for your first card (although it's still good if you're in bot lane I think)

[burnt bane]

I want to be good with this guy, but I just can't. Guess I'll just play another character instead of being dead weight. Jelly of you guys that can play this guy well.

[carmine thistle]

You can do it
We believe in you

[rain mica]

you can do it bro

it took me a few months to master him

[brave plaza]

not really, hes supposed to be a brawler/secure and late game he cant do that because he'll died in 2 seconds if you dont have build up and defense step

[rain mica]

usually I go all red

because I play safe

[burnt bane]

I cant with this game sometimes. Decided I'd continue trying, but I cant do anything when mid fight my partner darts off while im trying to kill the dps in the back thats pegging us

i guess the good news is its starting to feel a little more natural with the combos

Also, appreciate the vote of confidence peeps

[carmine thistle]

"Perfect practice makes perfect... So strive for perfect no matter what."
-Cell probably

[burnt bane]

If you're not me, you're not perfect. Also Cell probably

[acoustic gorge]

I run Snowball, Giant slayer Defense step and go deathless many games, I play as if his passive is always active, let my team do the main thing and I only come in to finish the job

[floral carbon]

that is ideally how a lpt of people play him, like an assasin

but I prefer to play him as a play maker, I'll go in a 1 on 3 by myself to take em out alone

[acoustic gorge]

If they let you do that you're overlevelled as hell

[floral carbon]

I mostly play passive though, and only fight when my card set uo is complete, and till then I just take bosses

[floral carbon]

the same level most of the time

I just run build up, Gaint Slayer(I'll swap out depending on the situation), and Backstab

[acoustic gorge]

Oh you're hella agressive

[floral carbon]

its just a play style difference though, i like making an impact like that on the feild

[acoustic gorge]

I can't do anything without defense step to save me along Kaioken

[floral carbon]

yea, defense step is nessesary to play the game now lol

[cyan moss]

Ssj Goku is amazing no bias of course tho

No bias whatsoever

[errant pebble]

What's the best build for longevity with Goku but still having killing power

[plush aspen]

build up, giant slayer defense step

[bright rapids]

So what do you think, has the legendary super sayian finally met his match, and is not that good anymore?

[broken kelp]

Nah I accepted that SSJ Goku not matter what nerfs are thrown at him will never not be meta in some shape or form

[rain mica]

every new meta isn't gonna take him down

he'll just let everyone keep knowing the horror

[cyan moss]

Are you talking about power creep?? DON’T YOU DARE TALK ABOUT POWER CREEP!!!!!!!!

[broken kelp]

No matter how many nerfs he has gotten his kamehameha is still the same from S1 and S1 DMG Boost is back

[plush aspen]

nah ssj goku is still a insane berserker who melts anyone in a single rotation

[burnt bane]

Am I supposed to be boss securing or getting kills? It seems like I get melted quick regardless.

I try to get kills the majority of the time, buuuuut it seems SB is solid for bosses if times right.

[plush aspen]

you do both build up allow you to get close enough to throw the spirit bomb

[burnt bane]

Is it still Build Up, GS, and Defensive Step?

Using all but Ds. Been trying Wicked Warrior to try and melt things faster then they melt me.