#Bambu A1/A1M/H2x/P2S Quick Change nozzle mount

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ocean ice
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what is happening here

north ether
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This is wild

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Lmao

paper tiger
north ether
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Probably both

paper tiger
ocean ice
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just make a mount and say your inspired by bandit

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done deal

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im trying to get a free h2d

fleet fiber
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Invested in what? An idiot who thinks he has a patent on something that has tons of prior art and is a derivative work? lol

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He also claims he did research and development. Lol.

north ether
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Only time will tell then I suppose huh

blazing dust
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didn't that was how all this started? nobody had patents.. there was an issue of attribution, and had that just been resolved simply it would have been no issue

fleet fiber
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No need for time. It’s fucking obvious to anyone with half a brain there is no invention here.

north ether
paper tiger
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seems pretty invested to me, but I'm not a lawyer so I might not be qualified to say with certaint haha

ocean ice
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thats it

fleet fiber
paper tiger
north ether
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I didn’t threaten nobody with a patent I just filed one 🤷‍♂️

analog sundial
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Should @north ether be in fear of his life since you put him on notice? Such a threatening manner.

fleet fiber
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A C&D letter is a threat.

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That’s a response to that threat.

analog sundial
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Wild.

ocean ice
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whos sending C&D?

fleet fiber
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And since multiple folks over here had that issue the solution was posted. Tell them it’s prior art and go pound sand.

blazing dust
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it's pretty normal to send a C&D to take down a copy of one's work that has no attribution

north ether
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Prior art of my prior art

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🤔

ocean ice
north ether
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Your X1C examples have nothing to do with my design

analog sundial
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What’s very strange is yet again this matter was settled. No one was saying anything until you came out of no where @fleet fiber

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So who put you up to it

north ether
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Move on we are done here

paper tiger
# fleet fiber A C&D letter is a threat.

like I'll ask this nicely, legit question. is this a hobby?

you know you could go after slice. They actually attempted to extort DFM for many thousands of dollars because he was reselling dragon hotends. IMO the slice nonstructural heatbreak patent has plenty of prior art (wasn't awarded in europe despite applying)

fleet fiber
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Patents don’t work on designs. Patents protect ideas.

analog sundial
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Or how did you obtain your knowledge of the situation?

north ether
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No shit

fleet fiber
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Those toolhead adapters are prior art to the function you claim in a patent for cc1.

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You don’t and won’t get a patent in light of the art.

paper tiger
north ether
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You don’t think I have a copyright
For my art?

paper tiger
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I'm not defendng that as reasonable

fleet fiber
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Copyright on what? The CC1s mount copyright and the Bambus tool head design copyright?

paper tiger
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was just a note

ocean ice
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anyone like the new design

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fleet fiber
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Cc1 and Bambu ends are functional.

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No design on those. What is ornamental about the rest?

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If there is something ornamental yeah get a design patent.

paper tiger
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but its not really a useful patent to have. anway that was mainly an academic thought

fleet fiber
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Yeah you can. Apple vs Samsung was a design patent issue.

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You can use it that way, but difficult to do so here for an adapter.

blazing dust
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back to bacon's earlier question... why not take this energy somewhere it'll be appreciated like Slice suing people over heatbreak designs?

fleet fiber
paper tiger
ocean ice
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back to business

ocean ice
fleet fiber
ocean ice
paper tiger
# fleet fiber What is this slice suing people? I am unaware. Thank you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAUp4zWSAkM

a lot of the spicier stuff is in other severs, but basically they have a patent on non structural heatbreaks, they have been going after phaetus for years and just sued ankermake and ultimately settled. but they threaned DFH, and Vez for goliath, Basically if memory serves they are claiming anything that has anything rigid aside from the heatbreak tube going between hotside and coldside violates their IP. There has been prior devices that used that approach So quite broad and I'd argue nonobvious. revo is really only thing that skirts it in their mind because flexible. They also went on a rant about communists apparantly.

they have chilled out a bit after voron dropped support for slice hotends, but if they haddent they could theoretically be suing (and prob failing to sue) most companies like they did with ankermaker. Artillery, Qidi, creality, even products from small outfits they might imagine are violators like tricorn and Chube.

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paper tiger
paper tiger
paper tiger
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more frankensteined than anything

fleet fiber
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Kinda because most of his patents got nixed in reviews.

paper tiger
fleet fiber
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Will look into this this weekend. A reexamination request is possible and cheaper than an IPR. I can put that together reexamination request for free but someone will need to cough up the USPTO fees if they are threatened and file it. Will take a couple of months to draft it over the weekends.

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Streamlined Request: A reduced fee (e.g., around $2,500-$3,000) for shorter requests (<= 40 pages).

paper tiger
fleet fiber
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That’s the US government not me.

paper tiger
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oh no I know that

fleet fiber
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Yeah. It is. If it’s up to me, I would do it for free. I will ask for someone to cover it if it’s a worthy enough cause. I can’t promise to cover that fee. Above my pay grade.

paper tiger
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I mean i was mostly just pointing it out of as its rather interesting. I expect it will probably go nowhere.

slice has gone after enough people where IMO they are in a holding pattern with adverseries. The patent may or may not be slimed down in terms of claims if it was seriously pushed, but other companies dont want to get into that fight, and slice really doesn't want to loose any patent coverage. so they slap fight a bit in court and inevitably setle

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probably was a bigger deal a few years ago

fleet fiber
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Yeah, a reexamination once triggered is on autopilot.

paper tiger
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interesting

fleet fiber
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There is no possibility of settling it.

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USPTO will take it apart if the art is good.

paper tiger
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I've not been involved with any IP cases that have seen the inside of a courtroom- what are the grounds for triggering such an authomatic investigation

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the slice cases settled quit early, I beleive even before parties made specific claims on what in granular detail was infringed

fleet fiber
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Reexamination requests do that. It’s at the USPTO. You have to go claim
By claim, and point out where each element is present in the prior art.

paper tiger
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ah that would make sense- I may be wrong but I beleive the cases settled prior to that stage exactly after several continuances

fleet fiber
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Then a set of three examiners will evaluate whether art presented raises a substantial new question of patentability that was not before the original examiner. If yes they will start the process.

blazing dust
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I've seen this one play out before

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took years

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SCO vs linux distributors

fleet fiber
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Mostly that’s an enquiry about if the examiner saw the same prior art. If no there is a 90 percent probability that it will be reexamined.

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The reexamination itself is ordered within three months.

blazing dust
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a whole law news website got founded over it

fleet fiber
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Once that happens you can usually get a stay on patent infringement cases at the district court.

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If any significant sum of money is involved usually period an IPR.

paper tiger
blazing dust
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and slashdot hasn't been relevant since it all finally ended LOL

paper tiger
fleet fiber
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IPR lets you respond to what the patent owner claims. But is half a million or more in attorney time.

paper tiger
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thats the thing that was really funny, by the time the lawsuit settled the printer slice sued over was already largely out of the picture organically

fleet fiber
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That is ruinous on both sides.

blazing dust
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scorched earth

paper tiger
blazing dust
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why it's avoided like the plague

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settling or what not

fleet fiber
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Na IPR is super hot. Mostly because of trolls.

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Imagine one side has nothing to lose. It’s a paper LLC.

blazing dust
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should have qualified, avoided by legitimate entities

fleet fiber
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The other side is Samsung or Google.

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You don’t want to pay millions in a settlement or at trial.

blazing dust
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yep I am well familiar with this legal chicanery

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I've followed such cases closely in the past

fleet fiber
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Texas is notorious for this. The citizens of Taylor Texas get ice skating rings and what not but by Samsung out of it.

blazing dust
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was going to say

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I like most things texan

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but the courts are whack

fleet fiber
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Bribing the jury pool. That’s where we are at now 🙂

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They still lose ….

blazing dust
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I saw that stunt haha

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good times

fleet fiber
blazing dust
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the most recent case I kept a close eye on was oracle v google

fleet fiber
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The only indoor skating rink in Texas.

blazing dust
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the judge in that case to his credit actually learned basic java so that he could better understand the details

fleet fiber
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It’s only going to get worse. The current USPTO guy is so pro patents he has denied most IPRs in the past year. That means bigger judgments in Texas.

blazing dust
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hang in there my southern brothers, hopefully we all make it out of the next few years of madness and things can go back to normal(ish)

fleet fiber
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He has this insane theory called settled expectations. After a year of a patent grant he says there is a settled expectation that the patent is valid. Made it up.

blazing dust
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man its gonna be a long few years

fleet fiber
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So he will not follow what the congress write is the law on IPRs …

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Earlier we had checks and balances. Now it’s like judges have stopped being that balance if it comes from their party….

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Insane. Though this settle expectations is likely to end up in the Supreme Court. I don’t really have high hopes from the 7 or 9.

paper tiger
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and convience?

fleet fiber
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Most of the time you’d don’t know about it.

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What are you going to do spend $14000 on each patent and millions in attorneys fees ?

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Just made it up without any authority from congress to undermine an act of congress.

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This act took years to put in place and bipartisan support.

paper tiger
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not surprised really. and of course while it will be sold as benefiting inventors generally it will only be leveraged by those with resources and existing patent moats. great

fleet fiber
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This favors only trolls. Will absolutely hurt all the big guys. They can’t wait to get rid of the people behind it.

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All the money will go the other way next election cycle.

distant rune
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I think we can all agree on one thing....

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Israel is a terrorist state

fleet fiber
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Trolls today are mostly the saudis and other rich folks. They engage in what’s called litigation funding.

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They fund patent litigation in return for a percentage of the spoils. Usual funding for litigation is $5 to $8 million…

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If that’s the funding imagine the return on investment to justify that funding…

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In 2000nds you had Gillette suing Shick and what not. Those kind of cases are extremely rare now.

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It’s mostly non operational companies suing an operating company.

fleet fiber
paper tiger
torn kiln
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It's getting real deep in here.... Don't make me click the button 🤣

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paper tiger
torn kiln
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Close or lock. Either one would do

distant rune
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Edit tags

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"Bambu" "it just works"

fleet fiber
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Close close close …

silk umbra
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No one is filing a legit patent for screw hole dimensions... once Bandit gets that through his head.... the better off the community will be

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He has not disengageed.. there is continuous ongoing harassment from Bandit and his wife on various social media platforms...

north ether
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Show me where I am harassing people? I’m pretty sure it’s the other way around

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Also I’m done responding to people that aren’t directly involved with what is going on

silk umbra
distant rune
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I think we should all just get along

blazing dust
limpid breach
paper tiger
paper tiger
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but we should probably stop discussing this

blazing dust
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this horse has been beat dead into the ground multiple times over, I think it's time to let it go

torn kiln
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Alright folks, this has gotten ridiculous. I'm closing this thread and will probably work with the rest of the admins about documenting the valuable information and trashing the rest. Happy Holidays