#Sliding Door with Linear Rails (WIP)

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round hawk
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Trying to create a nice and smooth sliding door. Modelling it with Blender.
Will share a version once i can get it working reasonably well.
Looking for some constructive feedback πŸ™‚
Will continue to update here

fluid zephyr
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I think your gonna be putting a pretty large amount of axial load on the screws that hold the rollers with how far the glass is cantilevered out. Might twist the bolt in the plastic unless you have the printed wrap around to the back.

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you might be able to make it work if you have the screw go all the way through the plastic and secure both sides with washers to distribute the load.

round hawk
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@fluid zephyr Aye thanks for the feedback! Yeah i was worried about that. When you meant having the print wrap around to the back, is it to the other side of the pom wheel? So there's 2 walls at each side of the wheel.
In the picture, this is how it currently looks haha. undecided yet. I think having the screw go through all the way might be good and securing it with washers.

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Also the center of gravity is way off without any support for the glass.. i need to think of solution for this. My idea in my head is just the tension between the top and bottom pom wheels clamping together

round hawk
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maybe a small spring pin thing holds the glass and sort of locks the slider in place unless pushed with a certain amount of force.

fluid zephyr
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This shows both techniques in the same model. for the load distribution technique two washer types are used, one small set against the bearing to ensure the outer moving ring of the bearing does not rub on the larger load distribution washers. the load distribution washers spread the axial loading out so it is not just on the bore of the printer part, but on the walls of the plastic too. It also lets the plastic be sandwiched compressively.

the other technique here is doing something akin to double sheer on a motor mount. when you do this the axial load is distributed across the top support between the two plates, you can make that arbitrarily beefy.

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the other problem will be the slop, you aren't really effectively constraining against downward tilt with only one roller per rail, usually you would want 2+ per rail but then you cant swing the door out far enough.

round hawk
round hawk
fluid zephyr
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oh another thing I was thinking was you could do rollers on both sides of each rail so if it rotates you arepinching the plastic part. might reduce slop somewhat but I'm still not sure it would be enough

round hawk
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i am also looking into figuring out the other side of the wall.. kinda tight with the current space.

fluid zephyr
fluid zephyr
round hawk
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oh wait

fluid zephyr
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the rollers themselves. say if you have bearings but v slot rollers

round hawk
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just googling v slot rollers

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ah right

fluid zephyr
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yeah I was thinking you were meaning printed rollers? I think you will need a reall bearing in there or else its gonna be really grabby and wear quickly. Also loud

round hawk
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Yeah xD

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I wanna do this a little bit more proper. I like this idea and feels much safer with the v slot roller

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XD this will be a good direction

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alright time for a 3rd design

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XD

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with the new stuff i've learned haha

fluid zephyr
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I hate to say it, but at a certain point I wonder if the linear rails aren't such a bad idea given the amount of hardware to do this relatively well with rollers (multiple washer types, blots, rollers, a nontrivial amount of filament) for a result that probably won't be too robust. Cheapest I can find 2 packs of 400mm MGN9 or 12 rails on amazon is 26.50 shipped and a design using them would require less plastic.

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your probably looking at 8-12 bucks for the rollers anyway.

round hawk
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Bunch of MGN12H

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actually.. am still using the first version

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Will give POM wheels a few more tries. Before throwing in the towel for linear rails. xD

split dagger
round hawk
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I can have the panel much closer to the frame with linear rail.
Will work with MGN12H as this are the spares i have with me now.

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Sliding Door with Linear Rails (WIP)

late scarab
round hawk
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Mmm i do have 2 spare rods too.. and bearings.. hm. it is possible too. Just wonder if the rod will deform overtime

fluid zephyr
fluid zephyr
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aluminum wont hold up, not stiff enough

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and steel ball bearings will also pit the aluminum quickly. This is what you'd probably need.
https://makerstore.cc/product/hard-rod-12/

$20 a meter, so cheaper than rails, but probably not by all that much after you you add in the cost of the linear bearing

late scarab
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yeah yeah, you won ^^

fluid zephyr
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lol the printable rails aren't actually as bad as you might expect in certain applications. I've seen people use them short-medium term as z axis rods is things like pandoras box. Low amount of force needed to guide the axis and you can get decent enough tolerance for good prints.

round hawk
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XD maybe i can give this a try with.. ASA... i have polycarbonate too but hmm..

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or perhaps just PLA for cheaper

fluid zephyr
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cold try it for fitment before buying rails. I wouldn't use it like that though- youd be better off with rollers even if they are sloppy. your loading along the thin layer lines along the side of the carriage, so your door could shatter.

round hawk
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yeah dont want a shattered door

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XD

split dagger
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My ahh ain’t using the glass door ima be getting the plexiglass upgrades

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I actually wanna be able to see inside my machine

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fluid zephyr
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ah ok, this is actually going to significantly improve the situation for you, the density of plexiglass is only about half that of glass so you dont need to worry about weight nearly as much

round hawk
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probably gonna be really light for this guy xD

late scarab
split dagger
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Anyone know the thickness of the glass door and glass lid

round hawk
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For me with my caliper
Door 3.12mm
Lid 3.21mm

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@split dagger

split dagger
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Thanks

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Now to find what acrylic to use

round hawk
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Can't we just use a regular 3mm acrylic sheet?

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πŸ€”

split dagger
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Idk if normal acrylic is heat resistant for the use we might use

fluid zephyr
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25 shiped for me

round hawk
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Alright linear rail version

split dagger
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Very cool

round hawk
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ill get this printing

round hawk
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Extruder clogged πŸ™„ just popped a stuck PLA

split dagger
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Rip

late scarab
round hawk
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My solution is to just extend it out similarly to the previous pom wheel version but.. uh.. i will try this first as it's the very basic type. Will do the add-ons after

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i actually did manage to print a version but i have some things i need to fix.

round hawk
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i think the bridge in the middle is too long and its bending. Might have to rethink that.

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aside from that, working pretty well and isnt tilting downwards when the door is hanging

split dagger
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Try metal rod or wood rod inside the bridge

round hawk
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Hmm.. i do have metal rods..

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probably needs to be adjustable because maybe the linear rails aren't truly parallel

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i can probably keep it the same but have like a spring like thing in the middle of it

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like tolerance gap

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or something

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Gonna take a short break on this model for awhile. I wanna work on switching my Sonic Pad to debian for my N3M

worldly pollen
round hawk
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I plan on having it extend it to work with spacers

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perhaps intergrate it with spacers

pseudo oasis
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Any update(s)?

round hawk
# pseudo oasis Any update(s)?

No Updates yet! Been swarmed with work and getting my Neptune 3 Max to work well. I can say im close to getting my N3M kind of done and will jump back to the Centauri πŸ™‚

minor pecan
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I had printed this in PLA a while back, and was just looking at reprinting it in PETG. However, I noticed that there was a piece* that "fell off" of the build plates in my slicer when I loaded the .3mf file, and when I finally got it back onto the plate and visible it turns out to be far too large for the CC's build envelope.

Is this mod not printable on the CC? Or is that piece, as the object name suggests, from an older, obsolete version?

*CC_Linear_Rail_Sliding_Door.stl_5

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Also, the object CC_Linear_Rail_Sliding_Door_v2.stl_4 seems to have zero volume.

round hawk
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hmmm dont think im seeing the same parts as you for some reason.. are you alright with giving me a screenshot from your side?

i assume it might be the piece on the right thats sticking out the build area? I might have to squeeze that in a bit

round hawk
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and i deleted it

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i think..

minor pecan
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In the .3mf file there's an object called CC_Linear_Rail_Sliding_Door.stl_5.stl, looks like this.

round hawk
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HAHAHA

minor pecan
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lol

round hawk
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uhh dont uuse that xD

minor pecan
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So I can safely ignore that?

round hawk
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yaep

minor pecan
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Good to know 😁

round hawk
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its remvoed and reuploaded in printables

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XD

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my bad

minor pecan
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gotcha

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I looked at printables very briefly, but it didn't look like there was an updated file

minor pecan
round hawk
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the tall piece? its the same piece as this

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i just dovetail it

minor pecan
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ah

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oh

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no, I mean in the .3mf file there's an object called CC_Linear_Rail_Sliding_Door_v2.stl_4, but selecting it or exporting and re-importing it makes the slicer complain that it has zero volume and it doesn't do anything with it.

round hawk
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Hmmmmmmm

minor pecan
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Here's a screenshot of all of the valid objects I was able to get from the .3mf file

round hawk
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just incase, you wanna download the latest version? im slicing it fine on my side

minor pecan
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yeah, I'll take a peek

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ah, looks like you added a .stl file too

round hawk
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actuallllyyy let me sharee with you one more file. I should've shared this in printables

minor pecan
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lol

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but yeah, looks like everything's cleaned up in the .3mf file

round hawk
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its the whole piece together

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cool!!

molten vigilBOT
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CC_Linear_Rail_Sliding_Door_v2.gif

round hawk
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this 3D preview is amazing

minor pecan
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ooh, nice

round hawk
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I will take awhile to work on this. Currently working on making my own riser

minor pecan
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Yeah, no rush or anything, just wanted to make you aware πŸ‘

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(also that zero-volume "object 4" is still there πŸ˜›)

round hawk
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weird im not getting that error

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maybe u can send me your 3mf file

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the only 4 i have is this

minor pecan
molten vigilBOT
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thzprint_centauri_carbon_linear_rail_sliding_door_v1.gif

minor pecan
molten vigilBOT
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CC_Linear_Rail_Sliding_Door_v2.stl_4.gif

minor pecan
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interesting

round hawk
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HAHAHAH

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welll there's the problem with 0 volume

round hawk
minor pecan
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what's that part supposed to look like?

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I'm assuming it's not a 2-dimensional replica of Carmen San Diego's hat

round hawk
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i think.. it's not suppose to be there at all

round hawk
minor pecan
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ah, ok

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I can work with that, lol

round hawk
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XD but the mystery for me is.. how are you getting that

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hahaha

minor pecan
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Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

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I have special powers I guess

round hawk
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summon carmen san diego's hat

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haha

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well should be all good now i hope. Let me know if there

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if there's more troubles. Happy to help out

minor pecan
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Will do, cheers!

round hawk
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making a riser with exhaust and voron cpap and some storage compartments

minor pecan
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woah, that's a chonker

minor pecan
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One last question, haha. Does this mod require 2x MGN12H 400mm Linear Rail? The description on Printables makes it sound like it only needs one, but the design seems to have slots for two.

round hawk
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Honestly though it is bcause i have MGN12H lying around. If its easier and cheaper you can get MGN9 but will need to modify the STL file

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There was a discussion on using 3D Printed Linear rail somewhere up there.. not sure how well that holds XD

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Probably will be good to use PETG or Nylon for less friction surface

late scarab
round hawk
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shrunked it down and rearranged the layout a little bit

late scarab
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no extra opening for the bowden tube?

round hawk
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Yeah im still thinking about that

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just positioning them

late scarab
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damn

round hawk
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The goal would be to..

  • Turn the riser into an exhaust and using bambulab carbon filters (won't require the top glass to be open but it's optional.. i can make it slide i guess)
  • There'll be 24v LEDs for the riser too πŸ™‚
  • Have compartments for nozzles and tools.. or multiboard
  • CPAP design with custom toolhead model (maybe i can add a 24v led in the toolhead and have it powered from the PSU)
  • I guess the bowden tube can follow the cpap

Additional stuff

  • Remix the recirculation mod to cover the existing exhaust holes.. maybe use another 12032 fan?? hahaha
  • Custom side panel spacers for a chamber heater i bought from taobao..
  • Door seal for the existing sliding door mod
  • bed plate holder

sounds like a lot

late scarab
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CPAP? For tool/model cooling?

round hawk
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Yeah

late scarab
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When you already there, here is my tiny wishlist of features ^^

  • Printhead lights
  • Nozzle-Cam
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and other stuff πŸ˜‰

round hawk
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Printhead lights will be great haha that's something i want too

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Nozzle Cam.. i assume we will need this plugged to a rpi? I do like nozzle cam.. especially for my N3M haha

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Sure XD once im there

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maybe by then we have a stable solution for klipper cc

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or just do an entire board replacement and throw in a BTT eddy like in the neptune printers.

fluid zephyr
# round hawk making a riser with exhaust and voron cpap and some storage compartments

Make sure you figure out how to run your part cooling control back out the toolhead and fake a tach signal unless you can run stock klipper and output the part cooling to a pin on the mainboard. The toolhead will error out if it goest get the expected signal back from a fan.

Also it would probably be worth it to investigate the cad for the plastic insert if you are doing something this tall. If you are doing it that big I would advise just replacing the stock plastic part so it is more secure. I have the cad for that plastic part partially done.

round hawk
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will be sad if i print all that and it doesn't work hahaha

minor pecan
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Sorry if this is a dumb noob question, but how do you get the hinges to work? I just broke the pin off of the lower door hinge part trying to get it seated into the corresponding sleeve.

fluid zephyr
minor pecan
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That's how I printed it.

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The lower one snapped off right where it connects to the plate.

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I haven't tried to fit the upper one, but I can't imagine it would go much better.

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Is there a trick to printing cylinders and cylindrical sleeves horizontally? Neither came out particularly round, so even if I do get them to mate it seems unlikely that they would rotate very well or at all.

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Better view of the break.

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Basically the whole pin snapped off when I applied the tiniest bit of pressure to rotate it in the sleeve.

fluid zephyr
minor pecan
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3/4 walls (alternate extra wall setting on), 5 top layers, 3 bottom layers, 15% infill, PETG

fluid zephyr
minor pecan
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It's the acrylic door from TH3D.

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Not familiar with Voron settings (though I do plan to build one at some point), but I'll give those numbers a try.

fluid zephyr
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ah ok yeah so it is unlikely that it will break if it is acrylic, but possible so I would definitley use 40% for the hinges

minor pecan
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Is there anything I can do about the not-quite-roundness of the hinge pins and sleeves?

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Or is that just something we have to deal with in this industry? πŸ˜…

fluid zephyr
# minor pecan Is there anything I can do about the not-quite-roundness of the hinge pins and s...

You have to either use metal parts or design around it. both are possible but I would do the first given any possible means, it will always be better to use a screw in a printed hole rather than a printed pin in a hole. I would just put an long M3 or 4 screw all the way through that hole and call it a day like on this dry box hinge

If you absolutely have to use a printed part then you can design the geometry to be more printable. For the ECAS connector in the constellation the cylinder continues up and bridges so the fit is proper. likewise the filament path bore is a 2mm circumscribed hex bore rather than circle because it never has any unprintable angles, the filament path is much cleaner.

you would need this to be in parametric software probably but on this model I would slice the part that has the 45 degree so that just continues up to the edge of the circle. on the unsupported part of the pin I would truncate the circle parellel with the bed and do a small built in support block seperated by a 0.2 mm gap since that will print very well. The suppor t block is green and the cutting planes are in red.

minor pecan
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Ah, so it's not something wrong with my printer or settings. I'll tuck all of that away for when I can understand it better, and see if I can get this working as-is for now. 🫑

fluid zephyr
round hawk
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I think thats what i did for mine as its a part of the print that will be stressed

minor pecan
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Ah! I'll try that next if the 40% breaks too. 😁

round hawk
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πŸ˜„

minor pecan
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Nice.

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I might try some light sanding and see if I can round the pins a bit.

minor pecan
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Actually it seems to work fine as it is. πŸ‘

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Now I just need to wait for the second linear rail to come in and I can finish assembling this thing and get it mounted. πŸ˜…

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Definitely a nice, low-stakes project to learn how to install threaded inserts.

minor pecan
next perch
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oh thats nice

round hawk
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So coooool

minor pecan
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Honestly I wish the ECC was more black, would make the white pop more. 😁

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But yeah, seems to work pretty well. It feels a little fragile, but there's no squeaking or sticking or anything.

round hawk
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Oh that's great to hear!!

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Im sure the fragile bit can be worked out somehow but thats awesome

minor pecan
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Yeah

round hawk
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Im using mine with the actual glass

minor pecan
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Ah

round hawk
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so.. NOTHING BROKEN yet

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HAHAHAHA

minor pecan
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I slightly chipped my glass door, so I swapped everything out for TH3D's acrylic, lol.

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Before I even started this mod.

round hawk
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I like the acrylic! Much clearer

minor pecan
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Oh yeah

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I have no clue what Elegoo were thinking making the glass so dark.

round hawk
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Me neither but well.. i won't be surprised if they changed it for their next few printers

minor pecan
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One could only hope.

round hawk
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XD

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Dude~If you have time, don't mind sharing it in the Printables web. Just the pics are fine πŸ˜„

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if not it's ok no pressure haha

minor pecan
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Sure, I can do that.

round hawk
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Sick~!

minor pecan
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That'll be my first upload to a 3d printing model site, lol.

round hawk
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It looks so cool with the white

minor pecan
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It really does.

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part of me wants to get the main body painted jet black though πŸ€ͺ

round hawk
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Mmm if i can i would wanna replace my panels with transparent polycarbonate panels.. like the Voron printers.

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Seeing how clear your door is.. kinda makes me wanna just have the rest of the printer panels like that haha

minor pecan
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If you ignore all of the fingerprints I haven't yet cleaned off, at least. πŸ˜‚

round hawk
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Hmmm.. i should probably do a quick model of sealing up the left side of th door

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there is the gap

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could probably try this but im looking to try have something where we can screw it in? Cuz there is still mounting holes that was meant for the original hinge. I might make use of that.

minor pecan
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That's an idea.

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It's not much of a gap with the door closed.

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about 2.5mm, Β±0.05

round hawk
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just made one xD

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just flex it and have the cylinder thing fit into the screw hole

minor pecan
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lol, nice

round hawk
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With that kind of flat space, will be great to boolean a name onto it or somesort of design πŸ˜„

next perch
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that just wraps around the end

worldly pollen
minor pecan
# worldly pollen Polar Filament has an experimental petg?
Polar Filament

We are in the process of adding a new higher-temp PETG to our lineup.Β  If you've printed with our existing PETG, you know that it prints at lower temperatures than most other PETGs.Β  This new PETG will be more in line with PETG from other brands, likely printing best around 240C. EXPERIMENTAL MATERIAL - No refunds / re

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They basically modified their formula to make it print at higher temps, so it's closer to other brands' PETG.

worldly pollen
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Ah so it's just regular ol petg, that's..

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I guess an option

next perch
minor pecan
next perch
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sorry not door holder

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i mean like the top panel

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does it have a holder for it

minor pecan
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oh, no

next perch
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oh

minor pecan
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I use a vented riser, so the top panel always stays on

next perch
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i guess i can put it on the side

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i do too but i like the feeling of putting it on the side

minor pecan
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ah

next perch
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oki

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ty

minor pecan
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Just be aware, the way the sliding door mounts doesn't really leave any options for mounting other stuff on that side.

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It uses all three screws along the top and along the bottom.

next perch
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just like the 270 inges

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hinges

round hawk
round hawk
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Time to try it

round hawk
round hawk
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Will share the blank version soon.

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Probably works better with the clear door panel

minor pecan
round hawk
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It has little pins at the top and bottom that just goes in the screw hole.

minor pecan
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Yeah, I'd just be worried about the dovetail joint buckling and making those pins pop out.

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I dunno, it could work, I haven't tested it yet.

round hawk
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Hmmm XD only way to find out

minor pecan
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yeah, lol

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The awkward part of making all of a printer's mods on that printer. πŸ˜…

molten vigilBOT
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ThzPrint_Side_Gap_Cover_for_LinearRail_Sliding_Door_v1_Blank_dovetail.gif

round hawk
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oh damn there's a stray geo

molten vigilBOT
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ThzPrint_Side_Gap_Cover_for_LinearRail_Sliding_Door_v1_Blank_dovetail.gif

round hawk
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better

next perch
split dagger
round hawk
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Magnetic strip to hold it?

split dagger
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yeah and to seal it

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i supoose

round hawk
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oooooh

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HMMMMMM

split dagger
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also will probs stop any rattling

round hawk
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I did a print last night. So far it holds itself well and i was printing at 20000 acceleration i think..

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I can take a look at the magnetic strip idea. I do have some strips but im not sure where it should be placed haha

split dagger
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for a first test try mirror the other side where the handle magnet is

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then after do one top and bottom

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so its triangular

round hawk
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Oooooohhhhh

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wait you meant the magnet is for the door??

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my bad i was thinking the magnet was for attaching the cover

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I think that is very doable yeah!

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I think this idea works great for one of the mods with the 270 hinge on the right instead of the left

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I can take a look at this during the weekend πŸ™‚

split dagger
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A low profile gap cover the same width as the one on the right would be cool

round hawk
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messed up my nozzle.. made a huge blob around it and just replaced with another aliexpress nozzle.. the heatsink feels different and kinda lighter compared to the original

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printing well tho haha

split dagger
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currently my .2 and .4 nozzles goop that holds the ceramic heater element in place has turned to dust and fall off with out the sock on

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πŸ˜†

round hawk
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man.. kinda makes me wanna do the hotend upgrade more but.. i bought a few bunch of this nozzles.. holding me back from upgrading

split dagger
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i have yet to have any big issues with nozzles

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so im gravy right now

split dagger
round hawk
split dagger
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ah kay

round hawk
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@split dagger

split dagger
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ooooohh myyy

round hawk
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Untested but feel free to give this a try if you want xD

split dagger
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i will print it when i get the hardware required for a 270 door or the sliding one

round hawk
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I think i might very likely jump off the CC ship while i still can to a Prusa ship πŸ™ Been doing upgrades to printers since the ender 3 but this CC is getting more and more questionable xD and i wanna stick to something more long term and print more of the other stuff than printer stuff. Just joined with a friend of mine and going with the Core One and hopefully get that tool changer they have in the future. Once i got my Core one up and running, gonna sell my CC away :l

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gonna stop with the riser project and gonna work on the sliding door more now πŸ™‚

minor pecan
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One thing I've noticed is that when I have the door open for a brief period, occasionally I bump into it, and the hinge sleeve has developed a crack. Doesn't seem to harm functionality so far, but it's there.

round hawk
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do you have a picture of the crack?

minor pecan
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1 sec

round hawk
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Im considering on making the door open at 180 degree

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might help prevent cracks

minor pecan
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That's what I was thinking.

round hawk
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ohhhh

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yeah i see it

minor pecan
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good, kinda hard to get a good angle on that, lol

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white plastic isn't good for photos πŸ˜‚

round hawk
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XD

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i think if it opens freely it should prevent that crack from happening. Aight thanks for the feedback!

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I hope to get this figured out before i get my prusa core one kit

minor pecan
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I've also been puzzling out if there's a way to have a bit that covers and "captures" the door when it's slid back.

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Haven't had much success though.

round hawk
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Yeah that will be good

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it still can get quite shaky when its slid back

minor pecan
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yeah

round hawk
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i noticed that too

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aight keep throwing me this feedback xD will work on it once im free after work

minor pecan
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lol, roger that

round hawk
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i need to think of some cool design for it too

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right now is just blocky

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HAHAHAHA

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or maybe a simple rounded edges might just help

minor pecan
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hmm

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yeah, the CC is not super blocky, so it kind of stands out, doesn't it?

round hawk
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Yeah

minor pecan
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Once I get sorted out for ASA-CF printing, I'll probably try printing it again in that; by that point you'll probably have the design quite polished. πŸ˜†

round hawk
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ASA-CF sounds pretty lit

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looking forward to that

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I'll probably still print mine with Basic PLA XD

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should be fine as long the printer doesn't get to more the 60Β°c

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outside

minor pecan
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Yeah, definitely. I just like consistency, lol

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So if I reprint all of the in-chamber mods using ASA-CF... πŸ˜›

worldly pollen
round hawk
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the more i think about it

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aaaa BUT i just remember it doesnt slide in fully

fluid zephyr
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Magnets might be the best choice since there could be some sag in the mounts and the coupling range for magnets isn't very long unless you you make them very large. I just kinda wonder if it will be fiddly.

Here is an easier approach, just use the approach that was used for the internal burge bin that slides, out put a small notch that just allows a bit of mechanical feed back and holding power. I'm thinking a printed arm on one side of each carraige that kind of springs out a bit. At the end of the travel range there is a slight widening of the surface it touches.

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that way you can also easily calibrate stiffness of the connection and how long you make the channel if there does need to be a longer distance because of slotp

rare robin
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AWESOME!

mortal grail
late scarab
mortal grail
late scarab
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Ich weiß πŸ˜‰

mortal grail
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did you align the rails? an easy method would be to secure on rail, assemble with screw loose on the other rail and tighten them as you run the carriage next to the screws.

mortal grail
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must be some extreme form of masochism to use blender for this though, respect