42.14.1 UNSTABLE Hotfix Released

[formal pier]

There was another case with zombies losing the aim outline, the MP team is already addressing it.

[frail silo]

epic, thanks!

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/rachel-green-friends-18

So are you guys gonna release a hotfix today and give me back my god damn GUZZOLINE?!

https://klipy.com/gifs/mad-max-fury-road-20

[south aspen]

Update in 1hour 7min dont worry

Not gonna say what update thou

[daring ice]

https://tenor.com/view/regal-t-mad-max-that-up-yes-gif-11947484

[fleet edge]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hardy-mad-max-point-thats-bait-gif-9452999

[daring ice]

Update from Teha on what they had for breakfast

[tight hare]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1r9tmw5/oc_dynamic_moodles/

@TIS here's peak...

add it NOW... or else...

https://tenor.com/view/zhouzhou-orange-cat-cat-with-orange-sleepy-cat-gif-14937184825975080647

[daring ice]

I actually like the new moodle style though

[tight hare]

where does it say this is against "the new moodle style"

it's literally just adding extra moodle variations for every "stage" / tier of the "effect"

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitten-nap-napping-sleep-gif-13067442231537108312

73 grams of protein

[jagged heron]

on the liquid diet I see

[tight hare]

I don't know what kinda diet I'm on, I'm on the non-eating diet atm

I don't really have the time to eat...

but yeah

ngl if TIS added the extra sprites (not THIS exactly, just like the concept / feature of it), it'd be great

[jagged heron]

!suggestion

[fiery halo]

Your suggestion here will be lost to the void. While not actively responded to, suggestions posted on our forums or Steam are actively read, so we recommend you post there instead:

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/20-pz-suggestions/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/2/

[jagged heron]

I like the idea personally too

[south aspen]

Black coffee and fresh white cheese

Very tasty

[daring ice]

yummmmmm

[daring ice]

MY APOLOGIZE

[tight hare]

https://tenor.com/view/my-apolocheese-apolocheese-accepted-cat-funny-apology-gif-10572966699290880170

[daring ice]

I do like the pain one though they remind me of the doomguys face in the original doom

where he would slowly get beatup

[tight hare]

yeah, I think they're all great tbh

that's literally what most of if not all of the moodle addons seek to address

the moodles aren't easily "readable" in their degrees of severity

[daring ice]

That kind of stuff is often funny. Like in Rimworld, people pretty much universally use a mod that makes the mood bar behind the colonist also coloured. But over like a decade they never just put something like that in. Still just a hard to see gray bar.

there is probably more to it though, little in life is that simple lol

[south aspen]

I feel that way about the bleeding moodle
I can never know if Im bleeding to death or just have a small cut just from the looks of it lol, always have to open the health menu and see how rapidly my blood is going down

[tight hare]

occam's razor says that the easiest explanation is that it never really came up as sufficiently important in a design standpoint

that's probably the reason, if I have to do a billion things I'll prioritize other stuff and forget about this minor thing

[narrow hemlock]

Different graphics for the severity of moodle reminds me of how Omori implements the emotions in the battle system

Would definently be cool to have in PZ

[daring ice]

makes sense

[tight hare]

For this I wish TIS would've just added a easily accessible health UI (a simplified / simplistic version of the health panel they already have), because from a character standpoint (pov) you'd be able to both see and feel wounds quite clearly (you don't need in depth investigations, lol).

Kind of like the mini health panel addon.

It makes perfect sense, at least to me.

[daring ice]

Your guy looks cool

is it a mod to have sleeping bag on top of backpack?

[tight hare]

It was taken from the addon page, but I think so yeah.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2866258937

[daring ice]

Yeah mini health panel is a cool idea

Im honestly torn though between information being available automatically, and having to do it more immersively. I always thought it would be cool to have weight scales in game haha

so you have to weigh yourself to see your weight

[tight hare]

Look at it this way, we can have a middle ground where you should have to go to the UI panel to do health actions or w/e (as an initial compromise).

[tight hare]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/91905-dynamic-moodles-and-moodle-severity-tiers/

https://tenor.com/view/evil-evil-cat-scary-cat-iamtoffie-toffiegifmine-gif-9838147170647866889

[daring ice]

This is one of two I ever made lol https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/82607-arcade-machine-ambience/#comment-430127

Sully do you have a phone number for customer service? I placed an order for a hotfix like... 2 hours ago, and I haven't even received confirmation but my credit card was charged??

[jagged heron]

867-5309

[daring ice]

Someone named jenny picked up and said I had the wrong number

[jagged heron]

yeah, Jenny's a bit of a troll

[daring ice]

@south aspen 8 Steam DB updates today, eight almost rhymes with aight, meaning the hotfix will be today and we will be alright

[south aspen]

Thats cause update in T Minus 8

[tight hare]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/91623-concept-20-water-depth-offset-wheel-burial-a-technical-framework-for-interactive-water/

@jagged heron what's ur opinion on this

Genuinely great design sheet lol

[chilly sable]

They literally just made ramps, and water is fake, we are pretty far out from having something like that

[tight hare]

pz renders are fake

[chilly sable]

Everything's fake

[tight hare]

I think legit most of (like 85%) the stuff is 2d sprites stacked on top of each other

Npcs, players, some items, vehicles are 3d 🙂

[jagged heron]

Interesting idea, very involved implementation

[chilly sable]

Yeah, and the physics and 2d interaction with actual 3d objects is not that great, it works fine at the surface level (pun intended)

[chrome gust]

Regardless of how feasible it is for an implementation now it's a well thought-out suggestion

[daring ice]

Thats incredible lol

[chilly sable]

Are ramps going to be used in the official map at some point in the future? Like, ever, maybe in a full map overhaul?

[daring ice]

chuckle

[chrome gust]

Sully is going to respond to this with a certain answer including details and ETAs

[tight hare]

Impressive water deformations will probably be screenspace shader based

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/god-wills-it

[daring ice]

swimming when

[south aspen]

I think there is a full video tease on one of the thursdoids showing the ramps working with multi level parking lots

[daring ice]

@tight hare Do you think the same system could have zombies crawling out of the depths

[south aspen]

I might be wrong though

[chilly sable]

I asked if they'd EVER use them, that could be 10 years from now lol

[tight hare]

Maybe

[chilly sable]

Working is generous, they're in the game already and vehicles do not like them

They're good for the player to walk on though

[daring ice]

playable helicopter when

[south aspen]

Playable submarines when

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/deadpool-let-this-man-cook

[jagged heron]

next update

[daring ice]

helicopter sex update confirmed

[jagged heron]

confirmed

[tight hare]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/91595-ability-to-readily-pushpull-stuff-like-cars-and-furniture/

Hmmm, this would be something for the physics to toy around with.

if only all the furniture was actually 3d

https://tenor.com/view/physics-based-rat-spinning-rat-3d-rat-low-poly-rat-gif-27596951

[chrome gust]

Erm, Reddit? You're gonna want to see this...

[daring ice]

oops he did it again

[chilly sable]

There are mods to push vehicles, in SP only I think?

[tight hare]

Delayed

[chilly sable]

Sully didn't answer my question about if ramps would be officially used in the future :(

It must be true then

[daring ice]

If there isn't a hotfix today, Sully can give me a timeout for the whole weekend

[jagged heron]

okay... do you want me to wait until today is over, or just do it now?

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sweats-7

I have faith

fortune favours the bold

[jagged heron]

didn't answer my question lol

[daring ice]

When they day is over

the

yana won't let me die like that

they will push the button

[jagged heron]

I'm sure she'd happily see you go lol

especially by your own hand

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nub-cat-silly-cat-2

5pm EST

[jagged heron]

you sure you want to keep making these bets? 😛

[daring ice]

My faith in patch vibes is unshakeable and I believe I will be redeemed

For thine is the hotfix, the patchnotes and the version number, forever and ever. Spiff-men.

[nova flicker]

Just rip the bandaid off and do it haha

[daring ice]

Bring the full hotfix into steam, that there may be updates in the code. And thereby put me to the test, says the LORD of server-hosts, if I will not open the windows of TIS for you and pour down for you patchnotes until there is no more need.

[south aspen]

16 steamdb updates today

UPDATE .16 CONFIRMED??

[daring ice]

4 in the last hour

its coming, I can feel it

[south aspen]

Same

Sprinters and ragdolls in MP here we go

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-project-zomboid-project-zomboid-gif-27196322

[daring ice]

DELIVER US FROM THE STOLEN GAS AND GUNS, FROM THE HOPPING RAGDOLLS, AND SOME OTHER STUFF OH LORDS OF TIS

WE BESEECH THEE

[nova flicker]

What stolen gas

[daring ice]

There is a bug where the gas pumps randomly become empty and spawn no gas signs out of thin air lmao

its kind of funny actually

[daring ice]

@nova flicker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9bXjttMxKY&list=RDy9bXjttMxKY&start_radio=1

[nova flicker]

lol my and my sister were singing that a couple weeks ago

i still name any village or anything that needs a name in a game woodtick , i love monkey island so much!

[daring ice]

Hahahah I had a feeling!

woodtick hahaha

[nova flicker]

BUG OR FREATURE?!

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-island-le-chuck-gif-21237472

[daring ice]

I actually jumped the first time, I turned a generator on and four appeared all around me hahaha

[nova flicker]

wait i didnt read lmao

wtf hahah

games are weird

[daring ice]

It was so funny in the forum post, harber was like 'OH I thought you meant he sings were appearing out of nowhere HAHA", and then the OP was like "THATS WHAT I MEAN LOOK" hahahaha

inter dimenisonal gas signs

[nova flicker]

hahaha

is it on tis forums lol

[daring ice]

yeah

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/91773-42140-out-of-gas-signs-generating-at-pumps-that-didnt-previously-have-one/

[chilly sable]

Never forget the 2 D6 variants that we still only have burnt versions of

[daring ice]

Isn't there a KY rangers d6?

[chilly sable]

ngl I just remembered not seeing the police D6, so I assumed that for the ranger

[daring ice]

police looks cool though

[chilly sable]

Ranger spawns are super rare, their zone types ares basically ignored

[daring ice]

I see them most often as crashed trucks with 3-4 rangers

[chilly sable]

Yeah, but did you know there's a spawn zone dedicated to them? It's only used a handful of times

Ok, anyways, POLICE D6 OPEN BACK WHEN

[daring ice]

When you sit on a couch, the throw pillow disappears, indicating that throw pillows are stupid

[nova flicker]

im glad the rancher spawns a lot more now

[nova flicker]

maybe your char is just moving it

[daring ice]

I mean I assume he is, but thats the point! Why is it there if anyone who wants to sit on the couch has to move it!

I will tell mrs. catters about htis

[nova flicker]

because theyre accent pillows!!!

we as women need 500 of them on the couch

[daring ice]

accentuated being annoying and in the way that is

[chilly sable]

Have you seen how some people make their bed(s)?

[daring ice]

With like 52 pillows?!

[chilly sable]

Yes, lol

[nova flicker]

lol i have 6 pillows

you guys dont understand, you need fluffage

[chilly sable]

[nova flicker]

accent pillows in pz when haha

[chilly sable]

stay away

[chilly sable]

3d placement

[nova flicker]

lmao i was gonna message someone and i knwo thats exactly what they would say

so we need more types

[daring ice]

LMfao yep

just pile them up

5 hours 17 minutes until timeout

[nova flicker]

lol

can i go too

[daring ice]

We should be banished to a timeout channel

[nova flicker]

[daring ice]

the timeout corner

https://klipy.com/gifs/dj-khaled-another-one-4

@south aspen tahts 17 now

[quasi dew]

Those may distract the bunnies from tasting other things

[nova flicker]

free fiber lol

[quasi dew]

Best dessert known for bunkind, cardboard and pillow fluff

[nova flicker]

lol , when i had rats my favorite one in like not even 3 secs just chewed through my expensive mouse cord like why

[daring ice]

yummmmm

[nova flicker]

they had a mansion of snax

[daring ice]

my cat got in trouble for chewing cords when she was little, so now if she wants attention she will put her mouth on a cord and meow lmfao

[nova flicker]

hahaha

[quasi dew]

My shoelaces and leather belt never been the same...but I use both with pride, rabbit bite marks and all

[nova flicker]

its so annoying cats will do shit like that, chapstick will crawl under my chair because she knows ill get up every single time

[daring ice]

LMFAO good name

[nova flicker]

organic rabbit engraved art lol

[quasi dew]

If a rabbit eats real leather, from a wallet or belt, does it make them carnivores?

[daring ice]

we have so many cat trees and things and lily still crawls into holes she clawed in teh bottom of two big seats and will live in there like oscar the grouch

[nova flicker]

lol

[nova flicker]

need 500 cat trees and toys

[quasi dew]

Need a supermax prison walls for Luna's sister, dont need a rabbit breaking through metal fences to snack on gaming pc power cord ever again

[nova flicker]

😆

[daring ice]

Yum electrons

[quasi dew]

Well, extender cord...while its on and all 10 slots used

White sparks flying and rabbit looking like a little shit

[nova flicker]

hahaha

[quasi dew]

Whats next, rabbits total cars going 100mph

[south aspen]

19
TIS is working a lot today!

[nova flicker]

lol ill never forget flying down the highway hitting a skeleton and almost flipping my car it was so funny

[quasi dew]

Detach an animal trailer, create Skyrim space program

[nova flicker]

lol the horse trailer

[formal pier]

i'm stealing your cat

[daring ice]

GOOD LUCK FINDING HER

[quasi dew]

Animal stealing for genetics confirmed to be on the roadmap

[tight hare]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pluha-gif-25623144

[daring ice]

she spends half her day in the shadow realm

@south aspen 19 now in one day wtf

[quasi dew]

Oh that picture had a cat on it

[daring ice]

is that a record

[daring ice]

Yes hahaha sneaky paw

[formal pier]

I have a cat too, he will find her

[daring ice]

what if they elope into the shadow realm together ❤️

She’s irresistible

[nova flicker]

a nice couch log

[formal pier]

who knows

[chilly sable]

cone on a rancher

[formal pier]

She will warm my Sphynx

[nova flicker]

lol the perfect car

[chilly sable]

How does that even bug out lol

[daring ice]

Shes actually half devon rex apparantly

[daring ice]

thats amazing lmao

[chilly sable]

Such a crazy line up

[daring ice]

reminds me of mr bean

[winged forge]

hello can someone explain what is fast metabolism and slow metabolism do?

[south aspen]

YEAH i know

They are cooking

[daring ice]

is that a record

[daring ice]

they make you need to eat more or less calories to keep a stable weight, and start you at a low or high weight

[nova flicker]

i wish i could help but i have never taken it before

[daring ice]

With fast, you start skinny and have to eat more to keep weight

With slow, you start fat and can't eat as much

you still get as hungry, so thats the challenge

Slow sounds like a buff, but you get hungry at the same speed and get fat really easy

[south aspen]

Probably, at least for b42

[daring ice]

so you have to eat like veggies and stuff

[nova flicker]

waht i need to do irl

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/wowawewa-borat

[nova flicker]

i needa rabbit

[daring ice]

its a glandular problem!

[nova flicker]

fax

[formal pier]

Your character spawns with underweight in you choose fast metabolism, if you don't gain weight in time your char will start losing HP. Gaining weight is easier than losing weight though.

[orchid crown]

Well, youd think

But you can lose weight pretty quick as time goes on, especially if you dont eat fatty foods

[nova flicker]

chips!

[echo rapids]

eat one rabbit, experience morbid obesity

half a rabbit arguably

Random thought, would be cool if you could find those glow in the dark star things people put on their ceilings

[formal pier]

My char easts very well, I actually need to do fitness to lose weight with Fast Metabolism

[echo rapids]

and like if theres an open window they make a faint glow in the evening

I think they came in blue green and pink

[orchid crown]

Hmmm tbf I did play with all the food being rotten (30 days later) and lower food so I had to rely on other things

[daring ice]

@south aspen they hit 20 wow

21!

I think Sully is just moving furniture around on the map to troll us

[south aspen]

Lol probably

[quasi dew]

Playing catters like a damn fiddle

[daring ice]

he might have got me

[echo rapids]

It occurs to me

Is it not a bit odd that there arent piles of corpses in the chexkpoint?

I realize the military was getting sick and turning but they were getting kills before it took them

[nova flicker]

OO I WANT body tiles!!

[echo rapids]

let the bodies hit the

[echo rapids]

i counter with burn pits

[nova flicker]

thatd be neat!

[echo rapids]

I'd like to see more evidence of resistance in general

They might have been fucked but they were not going out without a fight

They get their 3 days just like us

[tight hare]

not if you're really active

hate to be erm akshually but in my runs I was being forced to guzzle butter every 2-3 days because I ran through like 4k cals daily

this was like 3-4 pz patches ago just as a point of reference

also without fast or slow metabolism either

[daring ice]

3 hours 11 mins

[nova flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/nelson-simpsons-laugh-gif-11243649

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nailsandny-1

[nova flicker]

wait, was this for a specific time?

[daring ice]

I bet it would come out before 5pm EST lol

[nova flicker]

awh man , i was like ok well its already 7pm haha

[daring ice]

im doomed

[nova flicker]

its fine lol

[daring ice]

it will be a quiet weekend for you guys!

My revenge is making Sully work at like 10pm to put me on timeoit

[nova flicker]

🌃 🦉

[scenic carbon]

bro i had a dream you fixed the locker gun and contraband spawns

please release one more hotfix i literally dreamed of it somehow

[jagged heron]

As if I'm not normally working at that time anyway

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/door-hide

[scenic carbon]

sully i dreamed of it

PLEASEEEEE SULLY I NEEED THISSS MY ZOMBOID IS KIND OF UNSTABLEE

[jagged heron]

make cake happy vs ban catters.... hmmmmm... not a tough choice lol

[scenic carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/power-csm-chainsaw-man-incorrect-wrong-gif-16337578492690093939

[nova flicker]

ban catters

[chilly sable]

Instead of a ban, make catters post a new drawing

[nova flicker]

no they have been using evading !!

[daring ice]

I will draw

[scenic carbon]

catters can u draw spiffo doing a blunt like those old cat photos

with deal with it shades

[daring ice]

Only if it gets me something

I only draw for free in the office

[scenic carbon]

steals priveledges

DRAW FOR ME DRAWER.

[nova flicker]

ill make a accent pillow in memborance of catters

[scenic carbon]

whys it look like dababy

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-dont-know-idk-99

the muse is mysteious

Sully before I am timeout-ed can we see a blurred MS paint of the third, delayed, feature?

[jagged heron]

nope

[daring ice]

aw

42.11, 42.2 and 42.1 released after 3pm there is still hope

[jagged heron]

any of those on a Friday?

[south aspen]

Fridoid for the win

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sarcastic-laugh-6

[nova flicker]

lol

[slow skiff]

car noise still seems a bit loud anyone noticing zombies still coming from far ?

[formal pier]

How far is far

It was 80 tiles before the hotfix

[slow skiff]

in merica meters or normal meters

[formal pier]

Now it’s how it was before the bug

Can you record a clip (with debug preferably) demonstrating they are coming from afar still ?

[slow skiff]

well cant really say how much tiles really but it still feels like they come from alot further then before the fix and before bug

will see what i can do

[formal pier]

Population map in debug can show how far they can hear engine

[slow skiff]

im doing a MP run atm

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kermit-kermit-the-frog-73

[daring ice]

well poop

@nova flicker does it hurt

[nova flicker]

wat

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/mr-stark-i-dont-feel-so-good-spiderman-death

getting timeoutted

[chilly sable]

Apparently it doesn't get caught on this and it only happens in MP

[daring ice]

I have 16 mins

[daring ice]

Yeah in SP the cars are fixed

[nova flicker]

lol , just close discord and forget it exists , easy peazy lemon cheesy

[daring ice]

lemon cheesy

https://klipy.com/gifs/lol-what-14

https://klipy.com/gifs/yikes-awk

[south aspen]

21

3 more in the last hour

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hide-hide-and-seek-2

[daring ice]

But yeah thats so many

someone is still working

[jagged heron]

https://tenor.com/view/pour-drink-pouring-alcohol-respect-gif-9283896756814937503

Discord doesn't have "weekend" timeouts... just shoot the spiffo bot a message on Monday 😛

[nova flicker]

LOL

@daring ice bye catters hahah

[frail silo]

lol

[south aspen]

Rip

[lone narwhal]

pfft

[near depot]

RIP

[ripe lion]

are ya praying for a hotfix drop? lol

[fleet edge]

Muldraugh got a Cities Skylines 2 treatment.

https://youtu.be/39WxFX3j7lg?si=UICziLEfMJnHNooQ

Does that count as an update?

[chilly sable]

That guy has been working on the whole map!

[fleet edge]

Maybe we can import maps from Cities Skylines 2 into Project Zomboid?

I know.... Impossible wish.

[south aspen]

Import the sims maps when

[quasi dew]

Catters missing out triple yapping exp weekend, a pity

[nova flicker]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-26422058

[void shard]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-swim-chicken-chicken-in-pool-chicken-swimming-chicken-floatie-gif-27321620

[void shard]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2966610350

just needs to be updated

[formal pier]

You can still record it in host

[slow skiff]

Oh my bad I thought the fix was MP as well, for car noise ranged 😬 ( I was talking about MP)

[spare meadow]

I concur. I have a very good (nearly pristine) ambulance, reporting an engine loudness in game of 20 (using performance muffler). I roll near-ish a standalone house and hop out with the engine running. Zombies from very far away (just guessing 50-ish "walk-to" squares?) come to the ambulance. Once there, they do not come at me unless I'm very close.
@formal pier Can you walk me through how to determine "Population map in debug can show how far they can hear engine"?

[slow skiff]

For now I can only say they come from outside my monitor and I have a 4k monitor. (Will see if I can provide more evidence with some help )

[formal pier]

In debug > dev > zombie population map

[twin delta]

#1474469815866490930 message

I posted a video of said issue with the pop map open.

[fluid wagon]

It's so empty without catters

[chilly sable]

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

[nova flicker]

lol right?

https://tenor.com/view/search-shanique-drummond-married-to-medicine-spying-on-you-i-see-you-gif-17166890

[fluid wagon]

Sully could have a day off 😂

[jagged heron]

butter pecan bread of some sort?

[void shard]

Banana bread with pecans and chocolate chips

[jagged heron]

https://tenor.com/view/just-say-it-eric-cartman-kyle-broflovski-south-park-s11e8-gif-2665497590404099952

[void shard]

It was quite tasty, but needed more bananas imo

[nova flicker]

that looks yummers

[scenic carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/new-kid-south-park-south-park-the-stick-of-truth-video-game-stan-marsh-gif-5166172753989759128

[tight hare]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-cat-madebynami-cat-think-car-think-cat-silly-gif-10256431613308407309

TIS, make buildables 3d and add snapping

This way you don't have to do 500 different roof variations

[echo rapids]

id be fine if we just had something better than fences to line roofs with

[tight hare]

that's what the snapping is for

you can make short roof, tall roof, inbetwern roof

[echo rapids]

oh i mean that the fences are just kinda fugly. Something shorter and more understated as an alternative would be handy

[tight hare]

Assume max possible roof height (and corresponding angle) is 2 meters, snapping 'grid' is 10 units so 0.2 meters inbetween.

So you can have flat-ish looking garage roofing or really pointy roofing.

And all this by just having a dynamic snapping vertex / edge on the roof model

Textures stay the same, doubt there'll be any weird stretching

[fervent crag]

Seems like, b42 getting climbable ladders, when i look at the b42map and the ladder test building 😄

[echo rapids]

herring is tasty

[south aspen]

Ooooh I wonder if that is one of the few surprises left

[south aspen]

This place is really quiet without catters

[nova flicker]

chatters

[fervent crag]

dont fear, im here.

[void shard]

👋

was catters sacrificed to our lord and saviour spiffo? Post build release instead of before? ❤️

[smoky crown]

question for people who are playing, is it worth starting a world with friends in 42.14.1 or is it too buggy?

[south aspen]

Sacrificed for the weekend because he was a false prophet of thursdoids

[south aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-high-five-up-top-buddies-raccoons-gif-20959632

[void shard]

[mental scarab]

I really hope they fix the ragdolls soon. I’m desperate to release my melee ragdolls and heavy attacks mods. 😢

[fleet edge]

I constantly see people complaining about how dragging corpses is a chore.

I see that differently. Players are supposed to be discouraged from dragging corpses. Other than cleaning house, why would you want to drag corpses around?

[worn gazelle]

does anyone get spazzing out ragdoll zombies when you kill them with guns in full vanilla?

I get it with guns of '93 and I'd like to know if it happens in vanilla too: https://imgur.com/a/1fNkI6W

[south aspen]

So you dont crash your car if they are on the road

Also depending on the base location you pick there can be a freaky ton of corpses

A lot of the complaining would maaaybe be solved if we had more ways to move then around

Like... hand trailers, wheelbarrows, maybe even shopping carts, anything that allows you to carry more then one at a time would help

You can technically put then inside cars but there are so many context menu clicks and actions involved that its more bothersome then anything, and the car also wont fit that many depending on which one it is

[mental scarab]

Yeah the ragdoll is messed up at the moment, zombies jolt into the air strangely and their limbs contort unnaturally

[worn gazelle]

also dental floss is still no icon :D

[south aspen]

There is a mod that adds an icon for it in the meantime it doenst get added in vanilla

[vocal sparrow]

Guys, I've been out of the loop for a while. How far are we from a stable 42?

[echo rapids]

I know someone that buried undead when they could.

There were a lot of graves, suffice to say.

[quasi dew]

Unknown. At best what we know is "few more surprises" to come. Bows not being in B42 after all, we still lack primitive food preservation among very few other things...

[chilly sable]

Least unnecessary PZ mod:

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

[chilly sable]

https://giphy.com/gifs/13eshB55I4fBL2

[void shard]

Made those yesterday

[south aspen]

AY It is very necessary, the icon is really cool, really iconic
Better then a grey interrogation circle at least

[bleak tulip]

you missed one

[void shard]

[void shard]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-pogfish-fish-openmouth-gif-20357594

[worn gazelle]

I got a cold for the first time in over 500 hours

I got it while clearing Fallas Lake while it was profusely raining...

wtf do I do about it

wait, sickness is going down... I don't think I caught it yet?

guess we'll see

[ripe lion]

make a poncho silly and get outta the rain

[worn gazelle]

getting out of the rain isn't much of an option, the weather report said it'd keep raining for a few days I think

and I got a town to clear

[ripe lion]

stranger danger...

[worn gazelle]

yeah looks like I wasn't outside long enough for me to catch the cold

close call though, gotta get some rain clothes

[frail silo]

why dead fish above

[bleak tulip]

why not?

[echo rapids]

Just eat and stop being cold

You can also forage common mallow, but eating will probably help more

[frail silo]

if you are indoors and not cold ypu lose the cold in about a day

[worn gazelle]

it seems that I already lost it but thanks for the info

[void shard]

Do you normally run outdoorsy?

[worn gazelle]

yeah but this time I'm playing cop so I didn't have enough points for it

so... that's probably why

[void shard]

It lowers your chance to get a cold by a crazy amount

So yea likely

[worn gazelle]

also a lot of the sickness is coming from corpse sickness now

[void shard]

Makes sense

[worn gazelle]

so I should get a respirator before I finish clearing fallas

I just had a close call with some sprinters too hehe

[void shard]

Have they buffed them? The filters used to be so quick that I haven't bother with anything but a bandana for a long time

[worn gazelle]

I don't think so. At one point I was running a mod that massively increased the filter capacity

...I forgot to reenable that. Oops

[void shard]

Iee

[worn gazelle]

Honestly, clearing fallas hasn't been hard so far (high pop). I spawned there cuz of the spawn anywhere mod. If I don't die in a stupid way I should be able to get blacksmithing up and running so I can snowball to Westpoint.

tomorrow I shall get into the police station

and then the toolshop

[vocal sparrow]

Thanks for the reply

[lunar horizon]

Fixed vehicles attracting zombies from far away

Can this please be hotfixed for MP too?🙈

[pearl basin]

Im pretty sure a dev said this was fixed for mp too

[lunar horizon]

Nope, its still there ☹️ same with the desync they said it was fixed... died twice yesterday cause i was slapping through a zed

But i dont want to be negative tho 😊 i love the work they deliver 🥰

[pearl basin]

Still happens on a new save without mods?

[lunar horizon]

Yea we play vanilla and fresh start when the .1 hotfix dropped 😊 its way less then before tho

[serene crypt]

Can we get the texture glitch when we light campfires patched please

[jagged heron]

!bugreport

[fiery halo]

Your report on Discord might end up being lost to the void. Please report bugs on our forums or Steam:

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/6/

Please be sure to follow our Bug Reporting Guide to ensure the team receive all necessary information to investigate your issue. https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/43261-bug-reporting-guide-updated-05082025/

[winged forge]

hello is multiplayer stable now ?

[bright ice]

No multiplayer is on the unstable branch

[twilit lichen]

Ahah, you are hurrying)

[lunar horizon]

Some small bugs and some missing content compared to SP. But defo playable. Love MP so far.

[woeful forge]

Three months to add sounds and put crafting aside... I don't understand why they're adding MP instead of polishing it and adding MP later. MP only slows down updates and breaks more things every time...

[nova flicker]

42 is for testing and feedback thats why

[quasi dew]

MP has separate team, too

[woeful forge]

As independent as it may be, we haven't added anything in almost 6 months... The animals are almost useless with meat. The crafting is very poorly done... But hey, let's add and fix the MP, without polishing mechanics or anything... You just have to look at the previous versions, they came out every month or month and a half or so and added things... It's boring now... If they need money, let them put something up for donation and that's it, I don't care if you donate €30 every month, but come on...

[nova flicker]

think they have added things since then

and they have been polishing mechanics again thats the purpose of the build for testing, its not something that a fix or polish is done over night, its a lot more complicated than you think when it comes to implementing fixes and adding new features

man i thought today was monday i was gonna say cn catters come back now lol

[woeful forge]

Making the meat balanced is more complicated than adding MP... Adding recipes (even if they're unbalanced, it doesn't matter) is more difficult than adding an MP... The diet system may be more complicated because a lot of things would have to be tweaked, but come on... For the love of God... And yes, they've added things, dental floss, and now you can sit on the toilet... I'm really laughing, it's not hate, but these are very cheap excuses...

[quasi dew]

What do you need to be added for MP? Features?

[nova flicker]

Again that is the purpose of testing to gather feedback for making design decisions regarding game balancing, and its not something that just is solved in a few months. Pretty sure they have already addressed the animal meat and nutrition stuff numerous times on here and tis forums and they are aware of it.

takes time to get and collect info from 20k players playing your unstable build

[woeful forge]

Don't add it, just polish the crafting mechanics and so on, add it when the stable version is about to be released... It has only caused problems and much longer waiting times, which I understand since they want to fix it (I applaud that), but the cure is worse than the disease.

[quasi dew]

It is hard to say as a player if we are getting anything major soon without being employed by TIS, yeah it sucks when anticipated features are delayed, especially when it jeopardizes the entire "full wilderness run" idea that was presented. I did not want MP to be prioritized at all for B42, but if TIS has a separate team for it, I can only conclude it does not slow down the game development.

It's impossible to verify whether MP has slowed down the development because the facts are only known by The Indie Stone.

[woeful forge]

Everyone knows the facts. Since the last two versions, have you seen anything added? (Polish mechanics or add “useful” objects)

[quasi dew]

Given something like bows are delayed/not intended to come with this build, I have more hope for stable B42 coming this year as we indeed have "few surprises left" as per Sully's words.

[woeful forge]

I understand that MP is very important for the game, that streamers advertise it more and have more players, and I agree with that, but I understand why many people are angry, and why some YouTubers (working alone) are angry that the game itself has been neglected in favor of streamers.

[polar wasp]

imagine how those of us who have been playing this game for over 10 years feel...

[void shard]

Basically you either add it now and squash bugs as they come up in a controlled manner where a limited number of people play, or you add it later and piss even more people off because a game breaking bug causes their character to die (example dead car battery causing players to get stuck in an infinite loop) in "stable" or the world needing to be wiped because of a fix

Yea lol I have been here since 2011, this ain't nothing

[nova flicker]

it really isnt, compared to earlier builds , the content is great

[woeful forge]

That's what the beta is for. Let them add 20k unbalanced items and crafting recipes if they want, and then see how the community balances it out. That's it. There will be plenty of time to play MP in the stable version later. As if they hadn't spent more than two years updating the stable version in 41...

[polar wasp]

it all boils down to numbers (money is king)

[quasi dew]

Personally I was hospitalized around Jan-Feb period, so I did not read patch notes to answer that question. Last big feature I know for sure we had, was ragdolls. And assuming B42 will at least allow nu-medieval playstyle, which implies primitive food preservation should be still coming. And I really hope it does come in B42...otherwise it'll just translate to waiting 2-3 years more

[polar wasp]

you have to always keep in mind how companies are ran

most times its not the passion people in charge

[nova flicker]

tis isnt like that

[void shard]

Um they game itself has been in technical beta since before B41 - and unstable is a beta branch of a game in beta

[quasi dew]

also side note, PZ server icon changed again, rip Catters art

[polar wasp]

even the TIS has structure

[nova flicker]

mine now!

[quasi dew]

immortalized

[void shard]

Hope you are doing ok ♥️

[nova flicker]

😆

[polar wasp]

its actually easier to get major things done in a large scale company opposed to a smaller one

[echo rapids]

that entirely depends on whether the company communicates with itself well

[woeful forge]

Yeh

[quasi dew]

fitness lv0 irl for next months, always in danger of maximum muscle strain in upper body area, its like playing PZ but irl, without zombies or I'd be dead in a minute!

[nova flicker]

get well soon

[void shard]

Clearly doing a zero to hero run ❤️

I believe in you

[quasi dew]

I cannot train weapon skills irl on human targets, nor does TV suddenly grant me understanding of carpentry

[void shard]

I mean YouTube is pretty great for learning skills though

[quasi dew]

but hey I at least know muscle strain in-game is nothing to complain about

[void shard]

So technically could

[quasi dew]

@daring ice Sully told me you can test the next patch as a tester if you express your interest in this chat within the hour

[nova flicker]

lol

[jagged heron]

true

[quasi dew]

its pretty chill and pleasant here without him

should keep him muted until stable 42

[void shard]

Oooo lucky catters

[pearl basin]

What happened to catters?

[void shard]

I mean, not the banned part but the other part

[pearl basin]

Banished to the cat litter realm

[void shard]

[nova flicker]

lmao

the cat litter realm hahaha

[pearl basin]

catters now has 8 lives

[jagged heron]

I mean never bet on a patch on a Friday... that's a recipe for disaster

[nova flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-funny-hilarious-victory-evil-laugh-gif-14797919

[quasi dew]

99% of gamblers quit before winning big

[pearl basin]

rookie mistake, should've bet on a monday

[quasi dew]

Catters is pretty good at being CatGPT, making artificially inept remakes of peoples pfp

[nova flicker]

hahaa

[vagrant cape]

GREETINGS MORTALS I COME TO YOU FROM THE MIRROR DIMENSION TO EXPRESS MY INTEREST

[quasi dew]

@vagrant cape double account, ban evasion

[nova flicker]

THATS CHEATING LOL

[vagrant cape]

I HAVE ONE ACCOUNT IN MY DIMENSION

[nova flicker]

SULLY hes cheating!!

[jagged heron]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-dwight-joke-jim-identity-theft-gif-14240042

[vagrant cape]

Im leaving, I just came to refute this claim. I drew every single one of those.

[quasi dew]

sorry fake catters, your name is not pink, you are not him

[vagrant cape]

bye.gif

[quasi dew]

I never claimed you didn't make those, thats why I said they're artificially inept doodles

[nova flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/no-embed-perms-discord-perms-no-embed-perms-gif-7710752896690282402

i felt dirty posting that

[quasi dew]

repent

maybe Catters will draw my pfp too, so I can surely refund the original one and blame CatGPT

[nova flicker]

speaking of wow, i just afk in my house lol

[quasi dew]

I will never know the goodness of the system, I swore to never return

[nova flicker]

BUT IT SSOO COOl

[quasi dew]

I don't like missing out on things permanently because I wasn't playing during X period

every time that happens, even easier to stay away!

[nova flicker]

😆

[quasi dew]

at least tell me you would die for the Horde

[nova flicker]

ya

[jagged heron]

lame

[nova flicker]

what do you mean lame !!

[jagged heron]

I like to be a human, sneak into Ogrimmar and fish... it pisses off the orcs

[nova flicker]

LOL

thats so rude , thats trespassing

[jagged heron]

I would do that at at level 20ish

[quasi dew]

Sully always gave me the Alliance vibe...disgraceful

[nova flicker]

lmao

[jagged heron]

human fire mage all the way

[quasi dew]

male too, with balding hairstyle?

[jagged heron]

the rep gain from humans just makes it so much less tedious in my opinion

gender doesn't matter, tend to play female characters in games though

[quasi dew]

I was Alliance for a decade only due a guild, that I admit. Human racial made me get certain new mounts very fast and people accused me of cheating lol

[jagged heron]

I always went for the turtle ASAP, and then be marching around Stormwind with the turtle at super low levels confusing people

and if you toggle walk/run it looks so much like a turtle

[quasi dew]

I was one of the first people with those cloud serpents you had to hunt a lot of eggs for, people were confused for a long time how I got mine

also one of the first with the motorcycle mounts that were among first passenger mounts, getting invites so people could borrow a ride

[nova flicker]

what turtle lol

i only started playing like 2 years ago

[jagged heron]

there was a turtle mount for the fishing achievements

[quasi dew]

the...TCG one?

[jagged heron]

https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=3218/turtles-all-the-way-down

[quasi dew]

oh that

[nova flicker]

gosh there is SO many mounts in this game compared to eq2 lol

[quasi dew]

Blizzard knows to recolour the same model for 10+ variants 😉

[jagged heron]

but yeah, being lvl 20 in northrend would turn some heads too

[quasi dew]

time to make a mod where zeds are WoW undeads of different types

a fry plate was a good start

[nova flicker]

yay more sully mods

add them to pz lol

[quasi dew]

sprinter zombies having murloc sounds yes pls

[slow skiff]

we talking wow now 😄

[quasi dew]

same vibe as when I used a mod in Skyrim that made all skeletons play Spooky Scary Skeleton

[jagged heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMN43gTEJxU

[nova flicker]

hahaha

[nova flicker]

great im never going to NOT hear that now lol

[jagged heron]

lmao

[quasi dew]

even better. every OTHER zed pulled by the one you try to lure out of the group, also making murloc sounds, just like WoW and pulling too many

[nova flicker]

i love to aggro

[quasi dew]

impatiently waiting for stable 42 so I can use the now-working megaphones to aggro things

[nova flicker]

use the whostle

whistle !!

[orchid crown]

Lmao every time I look the server Pic has changed

[quasi dew]

its a rare Puppers van Jeff art

[orchid crown]

I think its my favorite

[void shard]

I have this one as well, I like to ride it on my level 1 bank alt 🥹

He wears a little tuxedo and monocle

[nova flicker]

what! no fair lol

[south aspen]

42.14.2 tomorrow we trust

Filled with bug fixes I bet

[void shard]

You willing to be sacrificed to the great spiffo if it isn't released tomorrow?

[south aspen]

We can always sacrifice catters again
Oh great spiffo on your name we believe
If there is no b42.14.2 tomorrow you can take catters perms for as long as it takes to release b42 stable

[fervent crag]

Stable comes in April, no problem. Youre welcome.

[tight hare]

Peak dropped, sully. It got updated

[echo rapids]

I don't think I could survive seeing the extremely heavy load icon

That would kill me

[near depot]

lol

[fleet edge]

I declare Project Zomboid should have Project Spiffo monthly art contests.

I guess the winner can win 4 copies of Project Zomboid to redeem or gift. Or something similar.

[near depot]

Spiffo art meme

[frail silo]

and you see it so commonly

[nova flicker]

i love the heavy brain stem load!

[chilly sable]

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

[jagged heron]

Give it is now technically Monday here, I have released catters from pergatory

[worn gazelle]

for some reason I'm not able to enter my vehicle anymore?

is this a known bug?

"enter vehicle" shows up on the v menu

but when I click it I just don't enter

[worn gazelle]

so the car is on, everything is in high condition

there's lots of items in the car but the driver's seat is free and I was able to drive it around already

[ripe lion]

yeah its known. log out and back in

annoying when it happens

[frail silo]

catters is free

[worn gazelle]

I restarted the game and still can't get in

[ripe lion]

server might need reboot. You can try clearing the passenger and crawling through. Had to do that once

[nova flicker]

yay

[void shard]

@daring ice catters be free

[nova flicker]

lol i had to scroll up cause their name wouldnt come up

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1386119240322515006.webp?size=96&animated=true

[worn gazelle]

I'm in singleplayer, and for this specific vehicle I'm not able to open the passenger door

I think I might be cooked...

[ripe lion]

yeah, that's all i've got, sorry man

[worn gazelle]

ok now things are very strange. I managed to get into the passenger door and turn off the car

and I could leave the driver's seat

but I'm still unable to get into the driver's seat

unfortunately since I have some mods I can't report this...

none of them are car mods

hopefully someone else will encounter it >_<

uhhhhhhhh it stopped happening when I moved the car

yeah idk what's going on. Rip my car's windows.

[void shard]

Back up save, disable mods test again imo

[worn gazelle]

ah it's a sunday night and I have work tomorrow

hopefully some other poor schmuck actually investigates this

[spare meadow]

try moving the car a bit. If you cannot enter, use another car to tow/bump it a bit.

[worn gazelle]

moving the car fixed it

[south aspen]

CATTERS WHERE YA AT

[south aspen]

@daring ice

Update tomorrow in mondoid we trust

[spare meadow]

I think you can only sacrifice him eight times.

[daring ice]

https://tenor.com/view/starcraft-goliath-goliath-online-online-wwjd3d-gif-27218443

[daring ice]

https://tenor.com/view/nic-cage-nicolas-cage-con-air-freedom-sunshine-gif-11101284117173771733

[daring ice]

Should I bet on it

[daring ice]

Eight more times

[void shard]

https://tenor.com/view/ron-swanson-parks-and-rec-its-so-beautiful-gif-15644547

[south aspen]

Yeah, 99.999%

42.14.2

On Monday

[spare meadow]

On a Monday. (FTFY)

[daring ice]

Catters? Yes…. Catters of misfortune. That’s what they used to call me. I am catters the white. And I come back to you now, at the turn of the tide. I’ve been sent back until B42 is stable!

[south aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-fist-arthur-憤怒-gif-5794225

[daring ice]

It was more than mere chance that brought @void shard, @nova flicker and @south aspen to 42.14.1 UNSTABLE Hotfix Released. A great power has been sleeping here for many long years. Their coming will be like the falling of small stones that starts an avalanche in the mountains.

[nova flicker]

catters the while lol

white ya

[frail silo]

catters bided their time, studied, and came back even stronger and more enlightened

catters the grey is no more

[void shard]

catters power...

https://tenor.com/view/it's-over-9000-it's-over-9000-its-gif-6159356195145880706

[daring ice]

The spirit of Sully endured. His life force is bound to the Patch, and the Patch survived. Sully has returned. His moderators have multiplied.

[proud gust]

That’s what happens when working with a 10+ years dinosaur engine. 2 years since the last Stable branch, luckily we will see NPCs by 2030. “Testing and feedback” shouldn’t take 2 years for a single build, it’s insane and it’s being normalized quite a lot over here

[void shard]

well considering they don't do crunch it kind of makes sense, and crunch shouldn't be normalized

[daring ice]

The dark fire will not avail you, flame of Udun!

[void shard]

mmm Udon

[frail silo]

ubue?

[nova flicker]

i have played other ea games that take about a year for content and it be pretty lacluster in comparison and one playthrough, wheras pz just with crafting there are numerous things to try in the meantime while waiting for balancing and stuff

[chrome gust]

The two pain ones before severe look like they're holding back a fart. Yes I noticed that I left the mention toggle on for this message, it's important

[daring ice]

@nova flicker It’s also like, I paid like $60 for Hogwarts Legacy and haven’t even booted it up yet, but paid $25 for PZ and got like 2000 hours out of it so far. If we were paying a monthly subscription or paying for DLC or something it would make more sense for people to complain this much, but the devs have already basically said it’s only tagged as early access to let people know it’s still being worked on. B41 is basically a complete game and for $25 delivers more fun per dollar than any other game I’ve got. I have more hours on rimworld but every update they release is like $29 DLC so I’ve spent like $150.

Im all for complaining about how long things take, but in a funny and shitposty way that still shows love for the devs. Some of the language I see people use is so vicious.

[chrome gust]

I agree but I also get people being disappointed or frustrated if they bought the game without knowing the typical development cycle (which is probably plenty of people, not reading/looking much into it beforehand)

[nova flicker]

exactly like i can understand the complaint for a game that cost over 40 bucks but come on. There was also a game that released i liked a lot and then said they didnt want to continue providing updates to the game because they wanted to work on other projects.. i just wish people enjoyed playing EA games more and understood the purpose of it which a lot do not lol

[chrome gust]

I wouldn't think it's worth coming here or anywhere else to complain, but I understand why someone would feel that way

[daring ice]

Yeah that part I agree with, but I would counter with what they are selling for $25 is what’s already there and it’s worth it many times over

[nova flicker]

like you can learn bug testing n stuff from playing games in ea and a bunch of other things , ill never understand people complaining about itw hen it can be a learning experience

[daring ice]

The updates still to come just make it even better

[chrome gust]

Certainly, but if someone knows about promised features & they're not aware of the typical update time they might feel like it's slow compared to other games—even if it's not really a fair comparison most of the time

[daring ice]

Yeah I do agree with that

Even some of the website stuff teases about things that are WAY off

Like this

Planned Features
Here are some of the planned features – alongside more weapons, animations, recipes, locations, survival systems and the introduction of dogs. We like dogs. Oh, and maybe the military will turn up one day too. Who can say?

From reading that you wouldn’t think the military returning is probabaly like…. Years and years away

Also give dog

[chrome gust]

NPCs is also on that page, but tbh I imagine nowadays most people just look at the steam page + videos & streams

[daring ice]

I also think to be honest they are doing something nobody else except maybe dwarf fortress have done, so people hold them to development models used by companies who will just drop the game like puppers said

Very long term development of a game that they love

Life’s work kind of stuff vs game number 12

[void shard]

definitely shitposty

[nova flicker]

hogwarts giving me like 40 hours wher pz gives me 500

[void shard]

I got hogwarts for free on epic and I still haven't played it

[nova flicker]

pz kind of spoiled me with replay value when i think about it

it was fun i played 11 hour of it was cool seeing the world come to life n stuff

[daring ice]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-out-loud-laugh-ridiculous-hilarious-lolz-gif-17376550074772904877

[void shard]

[daring ice]

This place was so quiet without me I was watching from the shadows

[nova flicker]

hahaha

[void shard]

you are the glue that holds us all together

[nova flicker]

yay for sully freeing cattters

[south aspen]

It was, i had no one to yap back to me and theorize about possible release dates

https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-high-five-up-top-buddies-raccoons-gif-20959632

[daring ice]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-high-five-air-five-slap-pound-it-gif-14106750463121598823

In mondoid we trust

Fridoid was a psyop sully played on us

By telling us it would never happen, he made us think the lady doth protest

[proud gust]

It’s not an excuse for the devs to develop the game at a glacial pace, this I what I meant. If you got your money worth good for you, it just doesn’t excuse the devs to take 2 years for an Unstable branch.

You got lack of communication for months, features delayed and still they get praised like in a pedestal. Shouldn’t be like that

[nova flicker]

communicate what exactly that cant be read in patch notes or discussed in these threads?

its not about being put on a pedestal people just dont feel the same as you about it

[proud gust]

How did you know about the crafting delays not making it for this build? By a vague discord message on this thread. You call that proper communication?

[daring ice]

We are probably some of the most supportive on the discord and i wouldn’t say we praise them. They are just dudes making a cool game we like. We give sully no end of shit here and he still answers basically any question we have.

[proud gust]

Oh people do, believe me. Longest early access game on Steam at this point. 8+ years to develop NPCs, and you still excuse that?

[nova flicker]

i figure when stable comes out they would address anything that didnt make it then

[proud gust]

Being supportive is a different thing

[daring ice]

It’s not crafting delays, the dev was tired and misspoke. It’s the extended crafting with like machines and stuff that wasn’t on the roadmap for b42

A great example of how they answer so many questions on here lol

[nova flicker]

i dont really care how long a game takes to develop

like i said there are other ea games out there that take just about the same time for updates , bigger team, and have been dissapointed with their updates. Pz's has only gotten better over time since i purchased it back in 2013

2014?

[proud gust]

Exactly, YOU don’t care. That doesn’t make it normal or acceptable for the other player base

So for you it’s normal to buy a game 12 years ago and it’s not even completed? Or half baked? Nice

[nova flicker]

yah im just saying its not about putting them on a pedestal

[lone narwhal]

And if you care, that doesn't make it unacceptable for other people - so we're at a dead end here

[lone narwhal]

It is clearly labelled as EA, so yes, it's expected to not be finished

[south aspen]

It definelly is not normal, yes, but try to look the other way around
Is it normal for a game bought 12 years ago to have fully changed since its launch and to still be updated not with just fixes but tons of new content? Also no
PZ Became whole different games that could have been Project Zomboid 2, 3, 4 etc in these mean times with all the updates

[nova flicker]

Nah I purchased this game knowing it was EA, i had no expectations of it

[lone narwhal]

Also, the devs don't need to excuse themselves in front of anyone. You can buy the game as is, including its' current state and their dev cycle / pace, or not, if you don't wanna put up with it. Noone's forcing you, it's at your own free will. And as such, they don't need to excuse themselves
And yet, they are here to answer any questions if you ask in good faith, so there's that

[daring ice]

https://tenor.com/view/bees-nelson-the-simpson-bee-hive-raking-gif-5473428

[nova flicker]

that isnt something i do when i invest in a game that is in that state like EA or whatever an example is i purchased EQ next beta access from sony for 100 something bucks to play it, the game was canceled.

[daring ice]

I see you are Kenshi fan too - would you rather they go the Kenshi 2 route and just say... literally nothing for years and years and then release updates?

[proud gust]

Kenshi is a fully finished and fleshed out product, that’s the difference

[daring ice]

B41 PZ is as fully fleshed out as Kenshi and has MP

[lone narwhal]

Then please don't buy EA games. Wait until they're fully published and check them out then

[proud gust]

It’s not, it’s a stable branch, not a completed game

[daring ice]

getting what is essentially PZ 2 for free is a bonus

[proud gust]

You guys don’t have to defend it so bad. Just accept the development times for this game are ridiculous and we are getting fed crumbs here and there every few months. It’s just a reality, not even mad about it, just facts

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/you-seem-pretty-angry-nora-reid

[daring ice]

This is a wretched hive of shitposting and contradiction, tomorrow we might all be pissed

[south aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/rolling-raccon-falling-gif-24795154

[nova flicker]

Well i dont know what you want to hear, can choose to stick around and be apart of the development n stuff , i think it can be a great lernding experience

[lone narwhal]

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/join-us-5

[daring ice]

You are at the first stage of zomboid anonymous, anger. Next is denial, then acceptance, then psychosis, where we are!

[lone narwhal]

Pffft xD

Anyway, off to bed! I'm down with a cold so I'll probably be off work tomorrow and have plenty of time to play PZ, let's gooo

[daring ice]

Seeya @lone narwhal

[nova flicker]

hell yeah lol

[daring ice]

puppers you've already graduated the program you are just here for the free coffee and croissants

[nova flicker]

free lunchables

[lone narwhal]

[nova flicker]

emotional support puppers

[daring ice]

at least it isn't free lunchly's

puppers is this your favourite key ring

[nova flicker]

lol

wait what lol

[daring ice]

was this true?!

[nova flicker]

i dont need 4 leaf clover anymore cause there

also how the heck do the artiststs draw such tiny little details like that

[daring ice]

tiny tiny brushes

[nova flicker]

but yah rainbow was my fav but now , it must gonna be clover

[daring ice]

I love that after 2000 hours theres still weird stuff, like when I found that trash goblin ahhahaha

[nova flicker]

yah , the world is so much more alive in 42 , even the id cards are great looking for funny names

[daring ice]

Im still planning to collect as many as I can in my stable playthrough

too much of a hassle for unstable

Who is going to tell sully when he comes back tomorrow that someone came in and called him a cotton-headed ninny-muggins

[nova flicker]

not even worth it lol

[daring ice]

Ik i just wanted to say cotton headed ninny muggins

[nova flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-i-will-save-you-rescue-you-ill-save-you-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-gif-5546635473025419416

[nova flicker]

yah im sure lol

[daring ice]

Can you guess what I think of every time I see these

[nova flicker]

jar o dirt

[daring ice]

YES LMAO

https://klipy.com/gifs/pirates-of-the-carribean-johnny-depp

[nova flicker]

lil horsey!

[daring ice]

https://tenor.com/view/i-would-die-for-her-id-die-for-her-love-black-and-white-orlando-bloom-gif-17804617

[void shard]

@daring ice in honor of your return I have changed my profile picture

for the day

[nova flicker]

LOL

[frail silo]

tf

[void shard]

Do you not know the golden penis ham lore?

[frail silo]

no

i dont want to

[void shard]

ahh!

[frail silo]

[twilit lichen]

Yes, it's normal, i bought pz 12 years ago too)

[daring ice]

Lmao PEAK

[quasi dew]

wayward son Catters has returned

[jagged heron]

https://tenor.com/view/wawa-emdeb-fail-failure-cat-gif-16703817715131368982

[tight hare]

https://tenor.com/view/zhouzhou-orange-cat-cat-with-orange-sleepy-cat-gif-14937184825975080647

make traits dynamic

[jagged heron]

!suggestion

[fiery halo]

Your suggestion here will be lost to the void. While not actively responded to, suggestions posted on our forums or Steam are actively read, so we recommend you post there instead:

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/20-pz-suggestions/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/2/

[daring ice]

I have a fever, and the only prescription, is more hotfix

[quasi dew]

you mean a mute

only resting, no posting

[daring ice]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-no-nonono-noooo-cat-no-gif-13597132752790194338

[quasi dew]

How else we gonna get triple exp bonus weekends?

[jagged heron]

I've got something that will cure a fever. Not a hotfix, but delicious content nonetheless

Not a PZ update

making that clear

[tight hare]

https://tenor.com/view/yellow-emoji-no-no-emotiguy-no-no-no-gif-gif-9742000569423889376

https://tenor.com/view/red-red-emoji-angry-emoji-raised-fist-fist-gif-4695612956741787895

Yknow what would be neat on the communication front? If TIS (whoever's available) had a weekly or biweekly suggestion review where they looked at suggestions on the forum and wrote their thoughts on it.

🙂

[quasi dew]

"Project Zomboid: sex update" is the suggestion I look forward to be dissected

[jagged heron]

That would set expectations way too high sadly, and would just cause more issues for us

[tight hare]

Way too high?

lol

Why would Sully delay b43? Why would he do such a thing.

[jagged heron]

"They responded to this suggestion a month ago and it still hasn't been implemented. Incompetent devs"

[tight hare]

weird

[jagged heron]

@quasi dew https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3672058778

[quasi dew]

the fuck

my name has been used, royalties go brr

[jagged heron]

it's pretty fun on insane population

[south aspen]

MURLOC gosh that was the first rpg i ever played

It came inside a cd game collection

Good ol digerati

[quasi dew]

is that the fever cure

[daring ice]

LMFAOOO PEAK MOD

I’ve always wanted to brain the fucking murlocs

[tight hare]

https://tenor.com/view/update-this-month-update-month-thinks-believes-gif-17177326182732142827

[jagged heron]

It's just noises to be fair... making models would be a ballache

[tight hare]

pz update delayed for 5 years, adds 1 shrubbery, fixes the thingamajig

[quasi dew]

sacrificed a raid tier in World of Warcraft to make that murloc mod for PZ, clearly

glacial devs, incompetent pace, wait

[tight hare]

make gibs a thing

ngl, l4d(2)s gibbing and damage / injury shader I'd consider to be the gold standard, so far nothing comes close in media

[frail silo]

hard agree

zomboid does damage to some extent

but its very subtle

[daring ice]

Wow the new PFP is awesome haha

[tight hare]

Afaik in l4d2 they have a mixture of organ exposure shaders and limb gibbing

And paraphrasing dev commentary, they can get up to 400-ish (more) different damage models (and combinations)

[south aspen]

Ayyy breakdancing spiffo

[tight hare]

So you can get things like shooting most limbs off, shooting the torso and revealing a hole to other side or organs, bones and muscle

[empty bane]

The best emoji

[daring ice]

When not spinning, his legs point to 1 oclock indicating the hotfix will release at 1pm EST

[daring ice]

Yay emoji form

@jagged heron I know we are supposed to start a new playthrough with hotfixes, but out of curiousity in theory if I avoid PDs until the loot tables are fixed, would they load correctly with the right loot in a pre-hotfix save if the chunk had never loaded before?

[jagged heron]

no clue, do so at your own risk

[daring ice]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-kitten-annoyed-irritated-tantrum-gif-10313184009664257761

[quasi dew]

Catters can you manifest all the remaining patches for Valheim/Enshrouded/Windrose so they're complete games, I'm bored

[daring ice]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-sure-whatever-baby-yoda-manifesting-gif-24660644

I actually can’t wait for Valheim to 1.0

[quasi dew]

the only game I actually play in finnish because the translations are fukken epic

[daring ice]

Oh damn that’s cool

What’s an example

[quasi dew]

none available for those not proficient in finnish, or finnish folklore

but its adjacently thematic for finns, viking mythology and the atmosphere in the game

[daring ice]

Did you ever hear about that colony simulator with like goblins based on Finnish folklore?

[quasi dew]

need a name for the game first lol

[daring ice]

I’ll find it in my steam when I get home haha

Do you know turisas? I love that band haha

[quasi dew]

yeah

[empty bane]

their cover of rasputin goes so incredibly hard, it's amazing

[empty bane]

Have you listened to the band Whispered?

[daring ice]

That was the first one I heard!! And no but I will give them a listen!

[empty bane]

I fucking love whispered, a group of finnish weebs playing "samurai metal"

[daring ice]

Oh thats awesome, I love that group that does mongolian metal too so I bet I'd like that haha

@nova flicker I need an MSPaint of this catters but with a gandalf hat

at your convenience

although gandalf the white has no hat

[quasi dew]

@daring ice I need an authentic CatGPT sketch of my pfp

[daring ice]

give staff instead

[daring ice]

on it!

[quasi dew]

finally some real art I can use as pfp

[daring ice]

This one is fire

@quasi dew

[quasi dew]

gotta tell the original artist that I need a refund now

[daring ice]

Hahahaha these all actually look decent as PFPs cause they are so small

[delicate rock]

TAZ'DINGO!

[quasi dew]

for the Horde!

[daring ice]

work work

[jagged heron]

should have gotten catters to do the poster art for the murloc zombs

[daring ice]

Hey you can still update it

[jagged heron]

yeah I'm too lazy for that though

[daring ice]

its never too late to do the right thing

[jagged heron]

that's actually quite good

[daring ice]

it looks almost like you could find it in lascaux cave

[frail silo]

roadrunner ahh

[jagged heron]

updated

[nova flicker]

lol

i love it

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/perfection-michael-fassbender-1

[fierce badger]

anybody knows why i can't read books

[daring ice]

irl or in PZ

jk haha did you pick illiterate?

[fierce badger]

what you mean, nothing works books and magazine

[jagged heron]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1kbea440sY

[daring ice]

There is a trait called illiterate, if you picked it you can't read. Otherwise its a bug?

[quasi dew]

Classic WoW players truest terror...

[distant lake]

Need more info -- is the "Read" option highlighted in red? Can you explain / show what happens when you try to read? Did you take the "Illiterate" trait in-game?

[fierce badger]

no i didn't picked that one

[daring ice]

This is hilarious hahaha

[nova flicker]

HAHAHAHA

[daring ice]

Add that video to your mod page so the people can see its true beauty

[jagged heron]

can you do that?

[fierce badger]

when i click on book with right mouse button i see just equipment

[jagged heron]

nvm figured it out

[daring ice]

yeah! I've seen a bunch of mods with videos of how they work

there ya go

[daring ice]

scans video frame by frame looking for secret features

[jagged heron]

that's on unstable branch... nothing to find

[daring ice]

I heard something coming from the bedroom of the house you started in...

sex update re-confirmed

[uneven palm]

Im curious about the removal of .223, i personally like having a big variety of ammo types to force you to use different guns, ik theres .357 but why remove the .223?

[fierce badger]

https://youtu.be/4v2GyGTT8oQ

[uneven palm]

Could be a mod problem

[jagged heron]

^

Turn off all mods, start new save, make sure no illiterate trait

[uneven palm]

Do you know any of the gun/ammo stuff amazing sully?

[jagged heron]

There are more updates coming to firearms, more information will be provided in the future

[daring ice]

https://klipy.com/gifs/happycadogt-bang

[jagged heron]

That's all I can say atm

[uneven palm]

I see

Is it cool being like a secret agent with classified information

[jagged heron]

no... it is very difficult

[uneven palm]

Ah yeah ig that makes sense too

[jagged heron]

These guys were asking questions about B42 MP literally days before it was launching and I had to be tight lipped... very tough

[daring ice]

He is lying, in fact, PZ is sponsored by FN Herstal the original belgian creator of the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge

the ammo swap is a psyop by Big 5.56

[fierce badger]

i have disabled many of them have no clue which one.

[uneven palm]

Try a fresh save with zero mods

Just to completely rule out mods

[daring ice]

That was geniunely hilarious to re-read on reddit haha

[uneven palm]

5.56 is kinda getting outdated now I believe.

[uneven palm]

Has any indiestone gotten in trouble for leaking?

[jagged heron]

not something I could answer one way or the other I'm afraid

both from a lack of knowledge, and a lack of permission, would be an internal HR thing

[uneven palm]

Fair enough

Sorry if im prying, its just really cool and interesting to talk a dev of a game i love

Plus i love just behind the scenes stuff

[jagged heron]

No, it's fine. I'll always be able to say "I don't know" or "I can't say"... my favourite phrases

[south aspen]

Hey Sully, do you know when Thursdoids are planned to return? If we can expect then for b42 besides the stable release or if they will only be back for b43?

[jagged heron]

I do not, but I want them back as soon as we're able

[uneven palm]

I think they just said they’ll be back when theyre back

[south aspen]

Fair enough, thank ya

[nova flicker]

i got mad while making it so lol

[uneven palm]

Im curious what all of the indiestone dev’s PB run’s are.

[nova flicker]

it was not working lol

[jagged heron]

I've never made it to winter

I suck at the game

[daring ice]

You must collect 100 copies of the thursdoid compendium book in game, only then will it be possible

[nova flicker]

me neither like ever

[daring ice]

Love it!!!

[nova flicker]

only time was playing with people who carried me to dec lol

[daring ice]

What really!!

[uneven palm]

My pb is 8 months then died to the “only cure” mod from a bug