42.13.2 Hotfix Released

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/isnt-that-the-eternal-question-q-star-trek

[broken spade]

I mean it would be such a shame if I start one it and randomly for no reason stop working. after like a month irl

[worldly mist]

Jump on in anyway and find some bugs! Sully personally promised a garlic fingers pizza for every bug

Note that is a picture of a garlic fingers pizza and not a real one

[swift saddle]

unstable is for bug hunting, its purpose isn't for long playthroughs. You do long playthroughs at your own risk

[teal flare]

Sully if there is a update coming out tomorrow dont say anything about the update coming out tomorrow

https://tenor.com/view/racoon-edit-daddy-gif-22324283

[broken spade]

FOILED ONCE AGAIN!!! I WILL CAUGHT YOU SLIPPING ONE DAY!!!

[half orchid]

I'm kinda surprised they havent jumped on the Friday 13th bandwagon yet

[teal flare]

OH DAM YOURE RIGHHT

[half orchid]

are we not doing that anymore, am i getting old

[teal flare]

13THDOIDD

If not tomorrow then on fridoid the 13th for sure

[swift saddle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/IsTodayFridayThe13th/

[worldly mist]

friday the 13thdoid coming up

[half orchid]

i uh may have started a fire, am sorry

[teal flare]

Heck yea fridoid for the win

[half orchid]

i wish i had that much dedication

[civic spoke]

You only do that in Build 41.

Build 42 not ready for long-term playthroughs

[worldly mist]

Technically you could make a copy of the game version you want to keep playing at, the only risk is a new feature comes out that you then want, or something was broken you didn't know about

[west terrace]

wth is this lol

[worldly mist]

thats the best place to go to check if its friday the 13th

[west terrace]

😆

[worldly mist]

not the same as puppers fry plate

[west terrace]

do one with worms

and rat turd as sprinkle

[worldly mist]

I can't fucking find worms ever anymore

TheHarber said I think that garden fork has a better chance when it rains but I still never get them

[worldly mist]

How long was it between when B41 first dropped and stable?

[west terrace]

think it was a year

akually i dont know lol

[unkempt belfry]

thank you I have been out all day so I have not drill pressed any ice cream yet

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-got-you-girl-maurice

DId you see who posted that delay the update lol

[unkempt belfry]

I did indeed, I had to do a double take

https://tenor.com/view/muppets-muppet-show-scooter-surprised-wait-what-gif-6354606112918259774

[prisma flower]

i was talking about waiting for a zomboid patch. in the future please feel free to always assume im talking about zomboid on the zomboid discord

[worldly mist]

As cool as NPCs will be for many reasons, I really want to be able to mark certain containers for certain goods and then have the NPC slave I mean friend sort all my loot that I just dump in the foyer

[civic spoke]

When we finally have role-based occupations, find an NPC with an occupation "Logistics", and then you can then assign them to handle sorting certain goods.

But until then, it's a pipe dream.

[prisma flower]

im the npc sorting slave on my friend group's server except im happy to do it cos im that flavor of autistic

shrimply befriend autistic folk who will find joy in it

[rancid bay]

Oh

[teal flare]

update in 4hours or later we trust

42.14 we are ready for yer arrival

[umbral nest]

Oh yeah we are sir

[civic spoke]

You should all see this from AmazingSully

#1462791980596854927 message

[teal flare]

lets gooo

[sturdy gazelle]

Before someone starts talking about food again.. and or sully starves again.. 🤣

Here. some pie for you all 🫢

[red mica]

Hi, how do I update our server via command line without completely reinstalling it?

[bold elm]

Update today, trust

[half orchid]

in you are in steamcmd, you can add a -validate to the end off the app_update command to check the files over and update changes/repair files

but its generally recommended to just wipe and reinstall it

[red mica]

Oh, ok, thanks

[worldly mist]

If no update we riot

[teal flare]

We riot we bethesda we rockstar we will do everything

[compact shore]

If you mean the first b41 unstable release to the first stable release, 2 years and 2 months

41.12 dropped in late 2019, 41.65 dropped at the end of 2021. There were more b41 releases after the first stable release, of course

[red mica]

Ah, my bad, I thought that the update was up already?

[compact shore]

That message is about b41, the current stable build. This thread is about b42, which is available on the unstable branch

[red mica]

Yes, but I cannot find the hotfix on steam

Nor on steamcmd

[compact shore]

Most b42 unstable updates go directly to the unstable branch

[red mica]

There we go

[compact shore]

I just recently set up and hosted a dedi with 42.13.2, so it's certainly available using steamcmd

[red mica]

So we must switch back to unstable

What's the exact command for steamcmd please?

app_update 380870 -beta 42.13.1 validate

This is the one I used to install the hotfix 13.1

[compact shore]

-beta unstable. 42.13.1 had its own branch at first because it was an extra unstable unstable

[red mica]

Gotcha! So, app_update 380870 -unstable?

[compact shore]

-beta unstable

This information is on the wiki page about dedicated servers, for future reference

[red mica]

Right! My bad, thanks a lot

[worldly mist]

Thanks research man!

[teal flare]

1h30min til chances of a update drop in half

In thursdoid we trust

[cobalt stone]

That the whole day...

[fossil pecan]

Finally caved

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

[bold elm]

Maybe we are getting some juicy features next update?

[teal flare]

Get countered

[fossil pecan]

Missed opportunity to just say "lay the update"

[sick nacelle]

Poutine day again

[civic spoke]

Actually, wait.

[teal flare]

there is one we haven't tried yet...

[civic spoke]

Font mismatch. Bad.

[teal flare]

🙁

[bold elm]

We still have hope for today, 42.11 was released at 21:44pm

[teal flare]

yeap, we are into the second phase now

5h30min of possible release time

sully has been awfully quiet today

[sick nacelle]

buried in a shallow grave for posting "delay the update" gif as TIS employee

[teal flare]

lmao, probaly

[sturdy gazelle]

Pssht, its coming in 27 Minutes. Dont tell anybody

[teal flare]

i beleive 100% in ya, i'm gonna make a everyone broadcoast for it

[sturdy gazelle]

Leaked it just because of you.

[teal flare]

thank u

[sturdy gazelle]

That makes a total of 3000 please.

[teal flare]

😮

[sick nacelle]

3000 please gonna spam this chat a lot tbh

[sturdy gazelle]

Nobody stops you 🙂

[sick nacelle]

quick, Sully isn't here, post patchiest memes

[sturdy gazelle]

Im not trustwhorty enough, cant post images🤣

[rose laurel]

sully busy figuring out how to add the fry plate to vanilla

[worldly mist]

Sully us busy making Catters Poutine Plate don’t disturb

[sick nacelle]

*filets

[worldly mist]

theres almost a tiny t in there lol

[rose laurel]

I mean there is lots of lore we still dont have presumably

[broken spade]

The chat has reached delusional levels of copium

[rose laurel]

i want to be able to go through cortman medical's tax filings

aint no way you have that bougie ass office in muldraugh of all places

Half the fuckin town lives in trailer parks

[teal flare]

very, and there's still a long road ahead within the 3hours of possible release

[lofty wolf]

I always thought of Cortman as a refitted mansion - once owned by rich landowners and now given a new purpose as a hospital.

[rose laurel]

Clean buildings usually indicate high income.

Cortman medical doesnt have the level of grime other places in muld has

It's not actually that surprising though. Muldraugh does have high income housing

But they probably were making money hand over fist

Off of the proles

But yeah, I'd like to see remnants of some of the main characters, so to speak. Surely some of them had some pen and paper at the very least

[bold elm]

No sully today either, he must be writing the new patch notes

[teal flare]

EXACTLY

[swift saddle]

Sully has been awfully busy today

not because of what you think/hope

[teal flare]

[sturdy gazelle]

🤔

[teal flare]

[bold elm]

Maybe it’s nasko writing them this time

[teal flare]

or maddan

https://tenor.com/view/madan-senki-ryukendo-kenji-narukami-gif-5875060344013617629

in Maddan senki we trust

[unkempt belfry]

Butter pecan

From last night

[fossil pecan]

Oddly that reminds me that we should have more food from PZ emotes

[nimble quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/update-delayed-lebron-block-update-block-lebron-lebron-james-block-update-releasing-3-2-1-gif-1010810542145176969

[west terrace]

the sekrit sauce update lol

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-music-monkey-monkey-listening-to-the-music-monkey-chill-vibin-gif-24320967

[misty swallow]

Build 42
4 - 2 = 2 (February)

v13 and subtract the result of dividing the last version number by itself.
13 - (3 / 3) = 12

Next update 42.13.3
42-13-3 = 26

12/2/26

Update is today. Confirmed.
My maffs is flawless.

[unkempt belfry]

https://tenor.com/view/mandy-gif-207505086065734093

[swift saddle]

only one problem.. your calculations assume the next version is 42.13.3. If it's 42.14.0 your calculations become 42-14-0 = 28.

12/2/28

Update is in 2 years. Confirmed.

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/the-house-will-ferrell-the-math-seems-to-check-out-gif-8225008

[misty swallow]

That's what I get for buying my Orb from Temu.
No more pondering for me.

[unkempt belfry]

[worldly mist]

I think it’s time to delete the lawyer and call the gym

[sick nacelle]

Blizzard just released an expansion for Diablo 2 (remaster, but still) 25 years after its last content update. This makes it okay to delay the patches by 25 years as well!

[swift saddle]

Is it any good though?

[sick nacelle]

I don't know, but I know they added a new class for D2 and D4 alike, skipping D3 😄

[swift saddle]

I was big into D2 back in the day... wasted a good many hour there

[sick nacelle]

Warlock, being the new class

so I guess your dark magic caster that hopefully differs from necromancer

[swift saddle]

probably DoT sort of stuff

otherwise it's just a sorc

[sick nacelle]

weird timeline we live in

[misty swallow]

Everybody knows that Warlocks can only cast Eldritch Blast

[slate roost]

Out of context 1 time comment : my car just got flipped by 2 turkeys and got killed by a bull. #animallover

[sick nacelle]

https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/article/24243863/rain-annihilation-in-reign-of-the-warlock

[lost niche]

25 bucks for a single class? Hell no

[sick nacelle]

weirdly enough, it releases on Steam as well

[swift saddle]

looks like a cross between sorc and necro honestly

[sick nacelle]

if only you could name the demons you summon, AmazingSully with Puppers etc...

makes me almost miss Lost Ark, although that game got wrecked by Amazon

a Diabloesque "MMO"

[swift saddle]

I tried it... I stopped playing after 1 day because the time to launch the game was so long. It was like 3 minutes to launch every single time

I'm sorry, but I'm not sitting on a splash screen that long every time, I have things to do

[rose laurel]

imo

the og diablo games hold up spectacularly well

even 1

[sick nacelle]

Hah, I survived a month maybe - Amazon graciously lured me to make a mistake to spend 300 euros for whatever packs - then they did the whole server migration thing, and they "compensated" me for the lost skins etc by giving me similar skins, but they had extra restrictions and different dyes

lesson learned, never Amazon, in any form

[west terrace]

lol i was crying cause i was like oo warlock for d4?!

i dont want pots and paladin , gosh

[civic spoke]

Time to slay some demons.

The " is ™

[teal flare]

1hour left folks

[rose laurel]

if you want the update now, invent a time machine and bring it to TIS hq

steal a USB drive containing all of the files, and enter the time machine, going back 3 years into the past

die in space because you forgot that you'll be going back in time at the very spot in space you are right now. The time machine will then make impact with earth after 3 years, landing in the Caribbean ocean and being destroyed in time for you to finish construction of a time machine.

[fossil pecan]

[teal flare]

[half orchid]

a-are you okay or do we need medical intervention?

[rose laurel]

i don't think whoever made the time machine made it

sorry

[spiral oak]

What are they planning...

[ashen tangle]

[worldly mist]

Fridoid the 13th is our only hope

[lost niche]

Yall

I think you need to just go out and enjoy life

[west terrace]

what if we did that and now were retired

[lost niche]

Play zomboid

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/were-right-back-where-we-started-anthony-mackie

[west terrace]

im trying to find the spiffo !

[worldly mist]

You can do it!!

[worldly mist]

I exclusively shitpost when I am stuck in my dystopian office haha

So as to keep Sully gainfully employed

[worldly mist]

This might actually keep me busy until the next patch haha

[west terrace]

lol so i named the npcs after people and typod sullys name , but im gonna leave it and hes the dryad cause he purifies steam forums rofl

[worldly mist]

LOL!

Make a catters!

[west terrace]

i did lol youre the goblin

[half orchid]

yeah i can see that fit

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/its-a-technicality-but-it-checks-out

[west terrace]

😆

[swift saddle]

I'll be having my lawyer file a DMCA for using my likeness without my permission

[worldly mist]

Since you are here, how about another MSPaint fragment

[swift saddle]

not tonight I'm afraid, been a long day... ask me tomorrow

[worldly mist]

fair, hope you are doing ok! Get some rest!

yeah its like 1am in jolly old england

[swift saddle]

oh that's not abnormal... I tend to stay up quite a bit later, but just a lot of things to do today, not enough vidja games in my schedule

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/vidya-gamez-vidiya-games

Dang I should have used a 'hop on project zomboid' gif instead

Im gonna try this new D2 remaster, my barb DeckardPain will ride again!

[west terrace]

wait its a remaster?

[worldly mist]

Yeah:

Rediscover the dark fantasy classic that defined the modern ARPG genre; fully remastered with a new class, fresh content, quality‑of‑life upgrades, and an overhauled endgame. Chain brutal skill and item synergies, rise in power, and carve through Hell’s armies with up to eight players.

[west terrace]

youd think i could read lol

noice lol thanks

[worldly mist]

ohhh thats a good idea

[west terrace]

ya, it sucks having to do it the long way to play diablo games

[rancid bay]

Oh

[umbral nest]

Where's my update sir?

[west terrace]

Akara ate it

[timid hull]

Catters refused to be sacrificed for that

[umbral nest]

I knew it. This guys man I swear...

[civic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/mob-psycho-100-update-not-today-gif-15912654188829006754

[umbral nest]

It's an inside between me, Miami and catters 😛

[bold elm]

It’s Friday 13th, maybe we will be blessed with an update

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-799657800635657398

[umbral nest]

That would be dope

[umbral nest]

Also thematic

[bold elm]

Right? I’m excited to see what the next update will contain.

[umbral nest]

My prediction is that they are working on the multiplayer desyncs and various issues to bring the multiplayer to a more playable state, including bringing the same amount of features in both MP and SP. I believe that's their goal, not sure if achieveable in 1 month, but that would be 2 months now since the release of multiplayer so, anything is possible

[worldly mist]

Time will tell! My guess is they are working on a few final features they have shown off before (timed crafting like brewing, cheesemaking, food preserving maybe the use of industrial tiles like machines, and stretch but maybe possible bows/throwing objects) that will be fully functional in SP but need testing, but fixing and subsequent patches in MP because I am not sure they have the ability to test consistently at that scale of like 20+ MP worlds.

[bold elm]

Yeah that was along my guess as well. We still have the profession rework but I imagine that will take a while to get right

[worldly mist]

Yeah! I also feel like they were pressured to get MP out before all the features were in, so I hope they just put them all in first and then get MP squared away so people’s expectations are clear. Like ‘here this is all the features that will be 42, now we’re just bug fixing and optimizing MP’.

[bold elm]

It made sense to release mp. I’m interested to see the throwable objects.

But also I want to see if the new tiles will be usable

[sage rain]

I've never seen a server with more than 20 players having fire active.

I don't believe throwable objects make sense for multiplayer.

Nowadays, cheaters can log into the server and blow everyone up; fire is unfeasible for multiplayer.

[bold elm]

I would never join a server that doesn’t have a whitelist process

[sage rain]

But I strictly follow the recommendation: only play on servers with a whitelist.

It's a shame the whitelist system is broken.

If the whitelist is enabled, you can log into anyone's account; just leave the password field blank. :)

[bold elm]

I love the idea of throwable objects personally. I’m sure they are aware if the whitelist is broken

[worldly mist]

Yeah I guess some of the features need codevelopment in both

[sage rain]

Yes, I believe they've been aware for about 25 days now.

In any case, we still have admiration and faith in change :)

[worldly mist]

Oh jeez really lol

I only play SP haha

[bold elm]

It allowed the public to test mp over the Christmas period for them to come back after their break to fix stuff

[swift saddle]

Do you have a link to a bug report?

[sage rain]

Yes, i have.

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/91085-42132-the-new-whitelist-system-does-not-respect-the-maxaccountsperuser-setting/#comment-456919

[worldly mist]

Yeah and the end of the day MP is the money maker lol

[sage rain]

Thats about the max players, one sec :)

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/90933-42132mp-roles-are-ignored-when-openfalse-and-login-succeeds-via-whitelist/#comment-456275

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/91417-42132-security-issue-regarding-the-character-password-management/#comment-457659

[swift saddle]

Thanks, I'll chase up the team just in case they aren't aware of it, that's obviously a significant issue

the last one in particular

[bold elm]

I don’t know the numbers comparing SP and MP. I’ve been intrigued to see bows come to vanilla game since it was first mentioned.

[sage rain]

Thank you very much, Sully!

In 3 years of running a server, we've never had password problems. We've never had reports of players having their server accounts hacked.

A whitelist system that links the SteamID to the name solves everything. addsteamid "username" "steamid64"

[worldly mist]

Will it make the patch for today?

https://tenor.com/view/pedro-pascal-gif-1833707996207285481

[swift saddle]

............

[worldly mist]

❤️

I’ve actually embraced your advice and I’m crushing some Diablo 2

[swift saddle]

what advice was that?

[worldly mist]

Play other games lol

[swift saddle]

oh lol... yeah D2 is good, haven't checked out the remaster though, how is it?

[worldly mist]

It’s good! Graphics are all updated so you can play in 4k but the same look and feel and the new class seems cool. Was crazy nostalgic loading it up and hearing Gheed, Charsi, Akara haha

Bunch of changes to the stash I haven’t checked out yet too

[half orchid]

I yearn for a modern diablo 3

[worldly mist]

Maybe it’s next!

[half orchid]

Inb4 we get a new phone diablo

I like the theory of lost ark but I don't like how lost ark did it, also Christ almighty don't log in for a few months have 200 systems you suddenly need to understand and no clue where to go and do what

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-guys-not-have-a-phone-blizzard-diablo-gif-5097388828827651695

[nimble quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-stretching-morning-cute-tired-gif-25515109

[worldly mist]

Oh my god thats so much more data

but also

[swift saddle]

lmao

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/charles-robinson-penis

[swift saddle]

sex update is coming, confirmed

[worldly mist]

lets goooooooooooo

[quasi tartan]

Ruh roh

[worldly mist]

This clearly means expanded genetics involving extraction of animal semen

[quasi tartan]

So glad this is the message I saw first thing in the morning

[worldly mist]

This is like if you took a viagra that itself also took a viagra

[teal flare]

This actually looks like a factory with the big tolerância and then steam coming out from one end

NEW CITY SPRINGFIELD COMING UP CONFIRMED

[bold elm]

Looks like a map related thing to me 👀

[teal flare]

It looks kind of like a factory to me

[bold elm]

LV rework soon

[teal flare]

Rosewood rework >>>

[bold elm]

Rosewood already got a little upgrade kind of

[teal flare]

Basements only, no?

[bold elm]

I’m pretty sure the main street got changed

[teal flare]

Dont remember it, but maybe yeah

Definelly not as a big of a rework as muld got

[worldly mist]

I've reconstructed the imagine using advanced techniques

[bold elm]

Aye there was a bit of an upgrade but not on muld level.

[worldly mist]

baby carriages, babies comfirmed

[rose laurel]

I see someone annihilating a toilet

[worldly mist]

pooping confirmed

[rose laurel]

inb4 food poisoning gets changed to give you explosive diarrhea

Advanced constipation system based on hydration and your eating habits

[rose laurel]

New bloated moodle and a hemorrhoid injury

[worldly mist]

@west terrace @sick nacelle new B42.14 lore drop ^

[teal flare]

Oh no now I see that too

[teal flare]

Pooping skill confirmed

[sage rain]

so if we have babies

than we have... the S* update

[worldly mist]

Honestly me too now

[rose laurel]

Oatmeal boutta be S tier

[worldly mist]

thats a man on a toilet

Ohhh ChatGPT says dogs

It looks like a very pixelated drawing of an animal — most likely a dog.
I can make out:
A head on the left with what looks like an ear sticking up
A body in the middle
Four legs underneath
A raised tail on the right
The blocky style makes it abstract, but the overall silhouette resembles a standing dog.

where are these four legs lmfao

[worldly mist]

imagine you get so nervous with zombies around you shit yourself lol

'very uncomfortable' moodle

[teal flare]

Update in 14min trust me

[worldly mist]

I trust you

[bold elm]

Steam db update was 1 minute ago

[rose laurel]

diarrhea strat where you use it as an oil slick

[worldly mist]

2 mins

-6 mins @teal flare

[teal flare]

I never said it was going to be a zomboid updatr

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/lucifer-misha

[spiral oak]

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

💔

[teal flare]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[sick nacelle]

Another day, another patch meltdown crisis

[nimble quiver]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1r3pve6/a_longtime_players_critical_perspective_on/

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

Not trying to start drama, just saw it in my feed and wanted to bring it here for maybe a meaningful discussion and here specifically because I feel that it would kind of get lost in the gen-chat.

[teal flare]

They should have analysed the number of features instead of viewing builds as the same value of 1

Like, 41 took sometime but it completely transitioned the zombies and players from 2d to 3d

And items too

[worldly mist]

I feel like everything this person said can be a valid opinion, but for me its the magnitude of the impact on them thats way out of wack. Like I spent more money last weekend seeing a shitty movie. Literally the popcorn cost more than zomboid did. So while I agree with these guys, it isn't like we are paying a $20 a month MMO subscription or dropped like $200 dollars on it for kickstarter stuff that was never delivered.

[teal flare]

42 took even long aswell but added a ton of new mechanics

[nimble quiver]

I wonder for some of the args regarding features if we (the players, I mean) couldn't get some sort of individual (for the feature(s)) test builds to both offer feedback (this works, this doesn't work, why, etc) and to get some glimpse into the future of PZ without requiring a full release (i.e. waiting on stuff to finish then releasing everything instead of testing a set of features at a time).

Like for example a physics test branch. A car test branch. Etc.

[worldly mist]

Even if they were full of features, this also disregards the tech debt that probabaly built up coding that fast

[nimble quiver]

Tbh from what I'm reading the gist of the frustration would be along the lines of "no communication" (or "bad communication") and how slow it is.

I kind of get TIS' point about expectations (and how they got burnt on it) but I still think the thursdoids were good at keeping people placated (at least it would placate me, lol).

[swift saddle]

a pleasant surprise to see the comments hitting the nail on the head with regards to size of updates though

and they are right about lack of communication. I want to improve on that going forward

[teal flare]

I do really miss the thursdoids on that part
PZ used to be pinacle of gamedev communication

[bold elm]

I think we all miss them but they probably take away resources from developing b42.

[worldly mist]

Thats fair but at the same time what is the standard we are holding them to? If you look at the games that hit similar niches, Rimworld says literally nothing and then drops an update and then goes away for 1.5 years. Valheim gives people silly videos for 2 years. Kenshi posts a translation job two years ago and barely says anything. I agree communication could be better, but I get annoyed when all of these devs get grace that TIS doesn't.

[swift saddle]

I miss the thursdoids too, I've been pushing for a bit for them to come back. They will, it's just a matter of when

[worldly mist]

I actually think its because TIS communicates sometimes that this happens

[teal flare]

Heck yeah!!!

[teal flare]

Oh yeah it is very valid

[swift saddle]

They are actually really disruptive, and when 80-90% of the work is on bug fixing that doesn't make for a good thursdoid

[worldly mist]

I feel like people would still appreciate it

[sick nacelle]

Higher expectations for communication, stable and controlled expectations for next patch content, that be a new meta

[worldly mist]

Im tellilng you, even if you did a SullyDoid where you summarized what it seems like people did every week, half tongue in cheek, people would like it. Dont disrupt the devs to get content just be like 'sullys obvservations and guesses based on being in zoom calls'

[swift saddle]

It's just a cost/benefit thing, and right now the costs outweigh the benefits for weekly updates... I want more than radio silence on the blog front, but they are still a lot of work, and yeah, disruptive

[nimble quiver]

I've been meaning to write a comment regarding that right now, me personally in a thursdoid you wouldn't have to post about concrete things, just stuff TIS would like to work on (it doesn't even have to be confirmed to be coming, just a glimpse into the vision ™).

Kind of like how when I'm talking to some friends about a setting I'm working on (as in developing it), I'm slinging ideas and concepts.

[worldly mist]

he should do a SullyDoid like I suggested above hahaha

[teal flare]

The mod showcases were really awesome too

[swift saddle]

That gets expectations up though... and if for some reason we have to scrap an idea or pivot elsewhere it causes issues

or god forbid something be delayed

[worldly mist]

Thats true

[nimble quiver]

That's why I said you got burnt on it :PP -- so I get why it kind of lost steam.

[sick nacelle]

Delay mentioned, deploy Steam forums and Reddit strike forces

[worldly mist]

What if you did something more frequent where you interviewed (in text so you can edit) just one person working on something?

[swift saddle]

I was starting a project where I was collating all of the patch notes into a single document to show everyone the absolute monster that is PZ and how much development went into the game over these 15 years. After 3 hours I was still in 2014. I abandoned the project lol.

[worldly mist]

use AI 😛

[sick nacelle]

The patch notes to end patch notes...

[swift saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[teal flare]

ay that's a cool monthly blogpost project, analysing old builds and comparing then to today

[quasi tartan]

Ew

[nimble quiver]

Regarding communication, things like the dynamic zombie deformation / body part physics one of the devs mentioned a couple months ago (in one of the b42 patch threads) would be awesome. There wasn't anything concrete (how it works, what's already done), just yknow, the idea of it being there :PP

[quasi tartan]

I do miss the Thursdoids but I get it, for some reason they attracted a lot of hate (which doesnt make much sense to me)

[nimble quiver]

I kind of have a good memory so I can remember convos like that :]

[worldly mist]

excuse me

where was that I wanna see lol

[bold elm]

The dev blogs we had in the past have already covered most of the features being implemented already. It doesn’t make much sense to repeat a blog what’s already likely been talked about.

[nimble quiver]

IIRC it was basically like you using a bladed weapon and being able to chop off limbs and body parts.

And it'd basically create a "fake" limb ragdoll from where you cut (i.e. the arm falls off or w/e).

[worldly mist]

Thats so cool haha

probabaly why melee ragdolls are taking longer

[teal flare]

also sully ya want an idea for another cool project?
kind of like what minecraft does where they pick a random feature from the game (like sheeps or horses or blocks) and talk about then. THat'd be fun for zomboid like hidden features that players don't know, like if you have a fork on your inventory your eating animation is with the fork etc etc

[teal flare]

ooooh I loved cutting limbs on dead island

it was my favorite thing to completely dismember a zombie who gave me trouble

i had a cleaver dedicated to that

[swift saddle]

I also want less work though

[west terrace]

Were getting toilets?!

[swift saddle]

defecation coming to PZ confirmed

[nimble quiver]

create a mini sully, robo-sully

have a roomba sully type it for you

[swift saddle]

I have @zinc laurel

[nimble quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/sea-lion-gif-6274474972916726262

[bold elm]

What I do miss is mod spotlights

[west terrace]

Lmao

[teal flare]

same, mod and map spotlights

[bold elm]

Again though, those likely take resources away from b42 development. Hopefully it comes back in the future

[sturdy gazelle]

its the missing powerplant^^

[nimble quiver]

this one is regarding the limb thing I mentioned

I purposely obfuscated the name so that people don't hound them, why would TIS keep the pz-ers underfed???

[sturdy gazelle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1193891841809076354/1193891842123628584/pp.png?ex=6990686c&is=698f16ec&hm=484e5476b5dd785914c8826350261e3e03a8d5518e4b1d1ca4dbb231ea816aba&=&format=webp&quality=lossless
waiting for ages, so i can connect to it 😄

[teal flare]

oooo it could be yeah!

[swift saddle]

Just googled it and I think this was our last mod spotlight... we ended up hiring Erika

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2024/05/mod-spotlight-taylorsville/

[nimble quiver]

Indeed. There are still a number of IsoObjects that need to be converted to have 3d physics representations.

--

For actual mesh deformation and convincing skinning during amputations or beheadings, we are more likely to lean into a cut vertex approach.

It gives us proper geometry separation at the point of severance, lets the mesh react more naturally with physics, and plays nicer with our existing skinning system. Bit more involved, sure, but better than faking it with opacity and hoping no one notices the floating elbow.

--

There is indeed more ragdoll work ahead. Adding physics colliders to the melee weapons will be a first step in having correct impact and impulse locations for melee combat, removing all the legacy random location logic from melee combat.

Additional we have identified issues with the original vehicle physics implementation that will be addressed after b42 allowing for a fresh vehicle/driving refactor.

--

@worldly mist, responses to different questions in that same thread so likely 3d throwable objects (bricks, stones, etc) with proper physics and all that

https://tenor.com/view/cv-gif-24228739

me after spiffo sends the muldraugh pd after me for leaking 🥀

[teal flare]

heck yeah, modders for the winnn
i still remember how hyped up I was when TIS hired the dev who made the minimap mod... Eris I think? good times

[swift saddle]

yeah quite a few mod makers in our midst

[nimble quiver]

Sully, would PZ be able to survive 1 AAA hair mesh?

my current hair mdl has 35k verts

[swift saddle]

throw it in and see

[west terrace]

Is tjat a hair net

[rose laurel]

imagine a game where your weight is proportional to how many polygons you have

[nimble quiver]

hair grooming

[sturdy gazelle]

oh, you guys deleted the branches legacy 41,73/71/68

[rose laurel]

so the gigantic eater of worlds cube is basically a balloon but a marble may as well be a black hole

[nimble quiver]

it's actually kind of relaxing, like painting

[teal flare]

prob more mod makers right now then original TIS members no?

[swift saddle]

We're doing a cleanup because it was causing confusion internally

[teal flare]

next up y'all should hire the entire horse team

[swift saddle]

too many abandoned branches too

[worldly mist]

Wow thats cool thanks!

[sturdy gazelle]

a clean house is always good 😛

[swift saddle]

Very good question... there's a lot

[nimble quiver]

yeahhh, I think throwables are the weakest part of b42 atm (physics wise)

and at the time of when physics was just implemented (for ragdolls), this came up

[worldly mist]

physics colliders on weapons would be so cool. Weight would matter maybe and zombies would get bonked good. Almost like a pseudo version of that game exanima

[nimble quiver]

regarding throwable melee items, I think one way to transition from one mode (attack) to (throw) is by possibly holding the attack button

[worldly mist]

like I know weight matters, I just mean in how hard they get hit visibly

[nimble quiver]

so quick press of lmb is attack, long press of lmb is throw

rmb is aim, as is natural

[worldly mist]

yeah would be cool

how do we interpet sullys MS paint to be a zombie getting his arm chopped off

[teal flare]

Aiteron, Eris, Filcher, Fenris, Erika, Filibuster
probably more then what I can remember

[swift saddle]

I thought it was animal genetics?

[bold elm]

Melo and Dylan 😉

[nimble quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1462791980596854927/1470868966950834352/glorp.mp4?ex=699028b9&is=698ed739&hm=db8816a0cb29102a47bad7130d05e4f288385ab3c0a5170d87d696c3eda56c8a&

[worldly mist]

I mean its clearly a phallus

[swift saddle]

*cough* me *cough* lol

[worldly mist]

but maybe its a 3d simulated phallus ragdolling a zombie

[swift saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/fancy-tuxedo-winnie-the-pooh-gif-15693976

[worldly mist]

Hahaha I love that

[worldly mist]

Puppers Fry Plate was so incredible it reverberated accross time, and you were hired for making it before you did

[swift saddle]

before it was even thought of as a concept

world changing

[nimble quiver]

now that I think about it... xbpd ™ dynamic object gibbing for walls

could put it in furniture as well

[worldly mist]

Shove a dresser down the stairs to kill a zombie

[nimble quiver]

true, I was thinking about that at one point

it's not even shoving, just pulling or pushing movable objects (realistically movable).

[worldly mist]

Is something like throwing weapons and melee weapons being physics objects somethign that is possible in MP?

It seems like a lot to coordinate if there are already desync issues

[nimble quiver]

honestly idk, you'd have to ask the original poster / dev :PP, it's probably possible if the server does the physics

so then what happens is that it gets rendered clientside

at least that's how it's done in other engines afaik

for example the general important physics is done serverside, minor things like pupil (eye) tracking and positioning or even leg / foot IK is all done clientside (it doesn't matter for an accuracy standpoint)

[teal flare]

OH YEAH but like you werent a modder you were a member from the community yeah?
But that counts too yeah!

[worldly mist]

He was, and wasn't, a quantum modder

[teal flare]

Oh yessss
As I said there are probably more I cant remember who arent as active on discord

[nimble quiver]

For single player maps the entity class physics_prop must be used to create server-side controlled physics entities. The player does correctly collide with these entities, can walk over them, push them around or pick them up. Unfortunately this class can't be used in multiplayer mode since player interaction with physics entities isn't predicted on the client and would cause jittery or delayed movement. Therefore a special entity class prop_physics_multiplayer must be used, which implements a simpler collision behavior (COLLISION_GROUP_PUSHAWAY). Multiplayer physics entities can only be pushed away, but not be used to walk over or picked up. If they are larger, a player just bounces off. Whether a multiplayer physics entity becomes a server-side or a client-side simulated entity, is defined by the object model.

Quote from source for example.

[swift saddle]

It's hard to remember myself who was and wasn't honestly... there are so many

[teal flare]

Modders are overtaking lol

[swift saddle]

I mean the founders were all modders too if you count them, but not for PZ obviously

unless you count them adding stuff to PZ as modding PZ

[teal flare]

True

[swift saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[teal flare]

Everyone is a modder if they believe hard enough

[nimble quiver]

would theoretically not everyone but the truly original developers be considered modders by the definition of a modder

[worldly mist]

Sully, from Modder(rater) to Modder and back

[nimble quiver]

they are making modifications to something preexistent

[worldly mist]

Sully has also added weird things to poutine, thus modding it

[nimble quiver]

so was Newton a modder or an original?

[worldly mist]

he is a long time poutine modder

[nimble quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/jgmm-cat-meme-ragebait-cat-think-cat-ponder-gif-7034802297606826390

[worldly mist]

He modded the big bang

[teal flare]

From modder(rater) to modder(hater)

What?

[nimble quiver]

No, but like it's technically correct that almost everyone is a modder because new developments are just fancier / more efficient methods of what was already existing.

[worldly mist]

The real question is, did Newton complain about how long it took for physics to get a new patch?

[nimble quiver]

There aren't that many people that are truly truly unique.

[worldly mist]

Waited his whole life, never saw one!

[nimble quiver]

Which isn't a bad thing, there never was, never is and never will be a person to solve every question once and for all, we all find answers better and faster than the previous people.

[worldly mist]

I guess thats true right, the close you look the more questions there are haha

[nimble quiver]

algebra is al-khwarizmi's work (after the work of others, as well -- but this I think is in the euro context), lol, algebra is just a latinization of his book called 'al-jabr'

[worldly mist]

al-jabber lol

[worldly mist]

ugh @swift saddle can I get an XP BOOST

[nimble quiver]

no

239 xp left, start shitposting in gen chat

[worldly mist]

ok I did

[nimble quiver]

I shitposted more than you...

[swift saddle]

!addxp catters -5000

(am I doing it right)

[teal flare]

Sully sully how much XP do se need to reach veteran do you know?

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/bookio

[worldly mist]

wait did that work

[worldly mist]

oh thank god

[nimble quiver]

no, why would it work, the bot uses / not !

[swift saddle]

lvl 25... not sure how much that is total

[swift saddle]

but if I type / you guys won't see it

[quiet carbon]

For help with the bot, read up on its documentation or join the support server with the links below.

[worldly mist]

How do I know how these fancy computer machines work?

computerizers

[nimble quiver]

/xp remove user: amount: [announce:]

[swift saddle]

28.9k

[nimble quiver]

make sure to set the last boolean to true

the entire server can see catters' folly....

[worldly mist]

what?!

and im at 5,912

[swift saddle]

good luck

[worldly mist]

Was Puppers like a fucking gabber back in the day

[swift saddle]

hahaha yeah

there's a leaderboard I think

[quiet carbon]

amazingsully

1. frogski (@deep citrus): level 80 (313,477 xp)
2. ppr5 (@west terrace): level 65 (206,360 xp)
3. hanazawameg (@hushed sandal): level 60 (178,018 xp)
4. imnvs (@swift ridge): level 54 (144,729 xp)
5. leonkiel (@ripe obsidian): level 54 (143,383 xp)
6. dairyfreelethaltartan (@frigid sonnet): level 53 (136,553 xp)
7. sporfo. (@opaque spruce): level 51 (129,915 xp)
8. mofkergt (@subtle sun): level 50 (124,587 xp)
9. artimedias (@orchid gate): level 50 (124,178 xp)
10. itis_nat (@peak drum): level 50 (122,102 xp)

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[nimble quiver]

I thought "ranks" were based on time spent not xp, boo

This just rewards yappers like me

[swift saddle]

frogski has 136800 messages lol

puppers at 81600

[nimble quiver]

I'll have to catch up... eventually...

[worldly mist]

hey

oh only I could see that message haha

[worldly mist]

Thats geniunly crazy

206,260 xp

and I have 5,000 after all this gabbing

I might just retire

[west terrace]

LOL

wait why did my discord go that far up lol

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-doug-judy-brooklyn-nine-nine-thank-you-thanks-gif-22899570

I had no idea you were such a legend my goodness

[west terrace]

ok no , being top is not great lmao it just shows how much i no life

erase my xp

[worldly mist]

Give it to meeeeee

[west terrace]

YA

puppers number 2 lol

[swift saddle]

!removexp puppers 500000000000000 -"ungrateful"

[west terrace]

LLLLLLLLOl

nono i want to remember what its like being back in the roots of plungering

[worldly mist]

!amazinghacktostealsullysxp -"amidoingthisright"

[swift saddle]

Can always give you a plunger instead of whatever that icon is

[worldly mist]

isnt it the witch from snow white?

[west terrace]

WAT

ok

waitw hich ifcon

[sick nacelle]

Will...never...reach...rank 25

[lost niche]

Golden plunger

[worldly mist]

the one beside your name for the puppers role icon?

[west terrace]

just talk in pz chat!

[teal flare]

Update in 15min folks trustt me

(Do not trust me)

[west terrace]

it actually used to be like super quick to get vet and it was REALLY bad lmao

[worldly mist]

I both trust you and do not trust you until it happens or not, schrodingers trust

[teal flare]

We should be able to get vet by showing our steam game bours

[sick nacelle]

Rank 15 should give a dull, broken katana icon with special colours

[lost niche]

Does this place not count either lmao

[worldly mist]

Can you start a vote amongst the veterans to upjump me to veterans for services rendered

[west terrace]

LOL , dude no way theres people on steam forums with like 6k and theyre so mean

[west terrace]

i have no idea

[lost niche]

What even counts

[worldly mist]

wait we dont xp here?!

[lost niche]

Also it doesn't really matter

[sick nacelle]

We do

[worldly mist]

thank god

[lost niche]

Youre better off just yapping in degen chat

[west terrace]

honestly i think only haveing gif perms matters muchers

[sick nacelle]

I would be rank 1 if we did not

[west terrace]

😆

[worldly mist]

isnt this the degenerate chat

[sick nacelle]

Last time I yapped at degen chat I got muted, too much degen is too much

This is my safe space

[lost niche]

Did you say something stupid

[swift saddle]

you do

[worldly mist]

what is degen chat!

[sick nacelle]

Answered a rhetorical question I should not have, so...yes and no

[lost niche]

Not much, whats degen with you

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/waltergotme

[rose laurel]

im a bit of a modder myself

I modify kitchen cabinets with all my foraging clutter

[worldly mist]

Also @lost niche secrets dont make friends

[sick nacelle]

a catters-free place, that uses better materials than...straw...in caves

[west terrace]

pz chats better!! , we need tshirts so it can be like a football team and have wars

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/cat-1307

[sick nacelle]

probably refers to the everliving general chat that keeps changing names at least once a day because why the fuck not

[west terrace]

lmao

[worldly mist]

Wait so do the veterans refer to the general chat as degen chat lmfao

[west terrace]

were in the garage now apparently

[sick nacelle]

the mythical place where "generulle chat" is too much for a name, but "murder_chat", "parasocial_chat" is not

[worldly mist]

(de)gen(erate) chat hahahahaha

[swift saddle]

❌

[worldly mist]

lets mutiny

[swift saddle]

wtf they changed it to wrench?

why?

[worldly mist]

all in favour of mutiny react to the spiffo hello!

[sick nacelle]

program your green minions better

[west terrace]

lmao , i dunno i liked when it was named random rooms cause it was like a theme

[swift saddle]

I think they've just run out of ideas

[worldly mist]

haha this reminds me of redwall

[west terrace]

😆

[sick nacelle]

just name it "b43_chat" and behold the greatest psychological experiment ever

[worldly mist]

HAHAHAHA

DO ITTTTTTTTTTT

[sick nacelle]

pz_b43_chat_no_mp

[worldly mist]

chaos ensues

[west terrace]

lol b43 no npc

[swift saddle]

pz_b43_chat_no_release

[sick nacelle]

i'm glad we agree it should be renamed, go go

[bold elm]

pz_b42_14_release

[worldly mist]

pz_b43_npctesting

[civic spoke]

Screenshotting this.

Plastered all over my desktop.

[civic spoke]

plz_b43_chat_no_release

[sick nacelle]

don't forget the "defecation update confirmed" thingy either

two updates entwined

[cobalt stone]

Image hotfix news channel to be related somehow to hotfix 🤔

[sturdy gazelle]

Vote for Sully Ingame Character. what debuff/buff would be good? 😄

[sick nacelle]

how many times you want to repeat discussion about the hotfixes

[worldly mist]

@swift saddle I am starting to feel the effects of Stockholm syndrome such that I don’t want the patch to come because it will change this chat… is that the plan?!

[cobalt stone]

here me out. i have idea. Release patches more frequently to make discussions fresh.

[sturdy gazelle]

modders woulndt agree to this idea 😄

[sick nacelle]

good idea, I want B42 stable now...but it might just be the same content we have right now, that is ready

although "update broke my save!!!" x 99999 may be too much for some

[cobalt stone]

sometimes that may be another version of novelty glasses added to loottable. It don't need be "balancebreaking"

[little solstice]

Still makes me laugh that if you google search "project zomboid logo", this comes up.

I suppose fair enough, seeing as how the game map shows up for a search for "Muldraugh" -- reap what you sow.

[sick nacelle]

I am all in though for faster updates, but I also have no idea how making a game works, I have a hunch it wouldn't be positive overall

unstable is for testing after all, not long-term playing

[sick nacelle]

Would searching for the specific image affect its position in the search results? We could fabricate a magical movement utilizing DDOS like effect just spam-searching for sex edition

[worldly mist]

Only a matter of time until a new city clerk in muldraugh prints the zomboid map for tourists

[west terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/no-the-office-michael-scott-scream-gif-16929305

[west terrace]

hahaha what the hell

[teal flare]

Kinda funny how this chat already has more messages then when b42 mp was released

Expectations for b42.14 are as high as they were for b42.mp right now

[worldly mist]

Sully have you guys ever done like community competitions ?

[west terrace]

who make craft the best friendship bracelet

[nimble quiver]

supposedly this is a content patch

[teal flare]

Oooh community jams

[teal flare]

Sully did hyped us up that there were interesting thing comings so yeah hopefully!

[rose laurel]

possible hot take

[nimble quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-claffey-ser-duncan-the-tall-ser-duncan-ser-dunk-dunk-and-egg-gif-15832297795574807549

[rose laurel]

Id be happy with a boring nothing patch that just cleaned up the noticeable bugs

[nimble quiver]

2026 is the way it is because tis hasn't released a content patch

[rose laurel]

even the desync isnt the worst rn and manageable enough when it happens

[nimble quiver]

the p2p desync is terrible don't even joke lad

[swift saddle]

Me... hype? That doesn't sound like me at all

[civic spoke]

The mid-January 42.13.1 and 42.13.2 patches are pretty content-heavy.

[nimble quiver]

I saw someone tap another person to death with melee 20 tiles away

[rose laurel]

You can do that to windows too

ive smashed far too many windows i was trying to protect... Lol

[nimble quiver]

Shotguns are kinda (very) strong rn too...

It one shots players btw

[civic spoke]

We're playing Project Zomboid in the Jujutsu Kaisen alternate universe in the Kentucky areas.

[rose laurel]

also repairing preexisting windows when pz devs 😩

[nimble quiver]

So...

[worldly mist]

I was busy with moving then B42MP came out 😉

[nimble quiver]

The issue is that you'll get shotgun insta killed but you can't react because desync

[civic spoke]

Jokes on all of us when they releases 42.13.3.

[rose laurel]

Living in any commercial building and some residential is so stressful when you know you cant replace the windows lmao

Or rather the glass

[civic spoke]

Glassblowing isn't a skill yet.

[west terrace]

stained glass when

[nimble quiver]

You need 5 phds to sift sand and then melt it into glass

[rose laurel]

Glassmaking is ;)

[nimble quiver]

(Glassmaking 200)

I stg I'll do it irl and it won't take me 10 billion glasses crafted either 😭

[bold elm]

Last steam db 13 minutes ago, if we all believe enough it will be today

[rose laurel]

rrally just depends on your standards

[west terrace]

glass bottle bottom glasses lol

[worldly mist]

explain this then!

[rose laurel]

I like to imagine we're paranoid perfectionists afraid of failure

[west terrace]

is sully and nasko the same

[rose laurel]

So we dont even bother attempting shit til we KNOW we'll nail it

[swift saddle]

oh god I hope not

[west terrace]

LOL

[worldly mist]

Split personality

[civic spoke]

No, the steamdb is more for the QA team to test certain code changes. I'm pretty sure AmazingSully is trying to trigger some bugs, and then report to the devs and say, yeah, bring this back to the stovetop and cook a bit more.

[sturdy gazelle]

i share that now everywhere, and you get the blame from sully, he will be mad at you 😄

[worldly mist]

Dr. Sully and Mr. Nasko

[west terrace]

lmao

[nimble quiver]

95% of the things in pz are craftsmanship stuff, it's not that complicated (there's intricacies), compared to medical stuff where if it was given proper realistic depth you as a player would die from the most stupid shit ever lol

[worldly mist]

Im already getting banned when the update releases

[nimble quiver]

like a lack of antibiotics

[civic spoke]

Just increase the loot amount.

[bold elm]

I am aware how it works, I’m just building hype for the inevitable

[nimble quiver]

Abs would expire in a short-ish amount of time

[rose laurel]

Eh, i mean yeah but honestly dying to a scratch you got last week because the wrong bacteria slipped in is just bad luck

[nimble quiver]

1 year give or take I think

[worldly mist]

my abs expired when I ate too much pizza 🙁

[rose laurel]

That being said, infected wounds causing illness could be cool

Or like accumulating sickness while infected

[nimble quiver]

Watch this

[rose laurel]

Itd have to be mild tho

[civic spoke]

Dirty bandages causing infected wounds causing pain is enough for me.

[nimble quiver]

Tetanus from deep wound infections

Agonizing pain and muscle contractions

[civic spoke]

This game doesn't need more illness than it has right now.

[nimble quiver]

Rabies from wild animals

Incurable ^

[rose laurel]

I mean there are the game settings. I think its fine to at least entertain it as a choice

[bold elm]

A medical overhaul in the future would be interesting

[west terrace]

i would like more incentive for cleaning bandages , i just slap them on me righ tnow and just forget about them, like i think should need more closer watching for something like a laceration or stitch or something

[civic spoke]

Actually, wild animals biting on the player, infecting them with the zombification diseases should be a thing. 🤔

[nimble quiver]

It clearly does because med is a dump skill

[rose laurel]

I like that zomboid lets you define what mechanics are important to a run myself

[nimble quiver]

Make having medical knowledge actually useful

[civic spoke]

A scratch should slowly bleed the user down to 1%, not stop at 80% health.

[worldly mist]

ew stinky

[rose laurel]

First aid is more valuable in mp where catastrophic fuckups are more likely to happen to people that arent you imo

Like if you break a leg and you dont have first aid 10... Get some glass friend

[civic spoke]

That "stitching your feet from glass shards" should really be removed, like how you can push doors for Maintenance XPs.

[nimble quiver]

In mp pvp I don't find that first aid is all that useful tbh because it's usually who fires first wins

Back to my comment about shotguns insta killing (not inherently a bad thing).

[worldly mist]

@west terrace change your name to stinkybandage

[nimble quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317741078019047446/1458087202054607013/yo_bro_chill.mp4?ex=69907606&is=698f2486&hm=54163d3c03a575f033b42a137336e1864e6cac026b627b3f1664c40ce3d41a06&

[rose laurel]

honestly i think its fine

Now, that isnt to say there shouldnt be review into making it costly to repeatedly injure treated areas but you dont necessarily want to need to treat injuries in uncontrolled environments to level it

[nimble quiver]

yo bro, chill

[worldly mist]

Hahahah

[rose laurel]

THAT BEING SAID, we do have lots of cadavers as long as you dont prick your fingers...

Interesting use case for bladed weapons lmao

[west terrace]

ill change you to a stinky bandage lol

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/happy-cat-f7u

[nimble quiver]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1317741078019047446/1458087835788906496/gang_gang.mp4?ex=6990769e&is=698f251e&hm=a7b8f9c86ebf66a3c9736b2f4cc1663dd8262c483b7472db3af97f1607551eba&

This is regarding desync melee

[rose laurel]

Actually real talk, could be interesting if mutilated zombie bodies caused more corpse sickness and a light and fast way to reduce it was to treat the wounds so to speak

[worldly mist]

I like the way rimwold does infections, anything can get infected and it is mostly trivial if managed but can ruin your day if not

[rose laurel]

I think infections in pz are like many mechanics

Easy to underestimate until they arent

infections can and id say often do kill

[worldly mist]

in pz?

[nimble quiver]

in pz? nah

[rose laurel]

yes, between the pain and the healing malus it can kill

[nimble quiver]

infected wounds do nothing except prolong recovery time and add slight pain when fiddling with bandages

[worldly mist]

I mean... can get you killed

but the infection doesn't actually kill you even if you leave it untreated and stay at base

[rose laurel]

A wound that wont heal stacks with sickness

Not even talking about how bad multiple infected wounds can make your pain.

[worldly mist]

Ok ill restate to say that barring unique circumstances they don't kill, like i've never had an infection kill me in whatever many like 1700 hours

whereas in taht time in rimwodl its killed tens of pawns lol

[rose laurel]

It doesnt kill on its own yes but barring like 3 things thats the norm

[west terrace]

colds in pz is another thing thats weird i have had one before and it go away in like 2 days

[rose laurel]

Most things are insidious killers

[west terrace]

colds should make us tired easier or something

[rose laurel]

Where theyre manageable until one other thing compounds it

[rose laurel]

Temporary traits from illnesses could be cool

Like how you arent at 100% even after getting over a cold

Or long covid as a contemporary example

[west terrace]

yah, like right now i just dont mind getting wet or getting a cold at all cause it just isnt that big of a deal most of the time

[worldly mist]

I've geniunely only ever died to zombie infection or being torn to shreds haha

[rose laurel]

I kinda wish there was a simpler way to manage coughing

[worldly mist]

I once crashed real bad and fractured my head haha

but even that healed

[west terrace]

man when i finally got covid that crap sucked lol, before i knew i had covid i thought i was dying or something

[rose laurel]

Ive played for far too long and have seen some very... creative deaths

[worldly mist]

Agreed lol

[worldly mist]

How many hours?

[hard bolt]

anyone knows how to get mods to work on a dedicated server in the config?

[rose laurel]

I dare not check but its in the thousands

[worldly mist]

not a competetion just curious lol

https://klipy.com/gifs/hat-tip-hats-off

[rose laurel]

nah its a mark of shame ngl

im glad i cant see my mc playtime 😂

[worldly mist]

mark of autism*

[west terrace]

i like using notepad and putting the workshop ids and mod id in there then copy pasting it on the server config , depending on what company you went with its really easy

[west terrace]

OK HOW MUCH lol

[hard bolt]

how does it look I mean I noticed
WorkshopItems=123456789;987654321;etc
Mods=SomeModID;AnotherModID;ThirdModID

Doesn't work

is it with
and ;\

[worldly mist]

yeah the people need to know

[west terrace]

that was how i did it in 41

[hard bolt]

yeah doesn't work in B42

[west terrace]

what the sniff

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/sunglasses-2

What in the actual christ

[nimble quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/vrchat-cat-creature-bong-smoking-gif-1132026044597347039

[worldly mist]

1.5 years?! straight!?

[west terrace]

could try asking in #1019767076094758924 to see if there is a different uhh whats that called lol ..way you type it

im trying to google but i suck

[rose laurel]

"i like trains"

"I like painting figurines"

"I like becoming the destroyer, a slayer beyond reckoning that strains the mortal coil to shed undead blood, to crush and despoil the endless hordes in the unceasing battle for a fading spark, and the extinction of the other for the existence my own."

[nimble quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fade-drip-barber-gif-6736371402170376504

[worldly mist]

Exactly

[west terrace]

that arent your hours, where are your hours lmao

[worldly mist]

OMG PUPPERS

I was trying to quote rayblon hahah

I don't think you suck

[west terrace]

oh lol i didnt even notice

[worldly mist]

HAHA

good

[rose laurel]

i couldnt give them to you even if i wanted to check, not at my pc

[nimble quiver]

why would he do this, his greed and hatred led him to stabbing his brother in the back

[west terrace]

ok give us a estimation lol

[worldly mist]

Whenever I click the stop botton it doesn't work

theres no stopping

[rose laurel]

multiple thousands 🤷

[west terrace]

lol

[rose laurel]

Assume the lowest if you wish to be charitable

[nimble quiver]

pz is a bit boring atm unfortunately :PP

[west terrace]

1 hour?!

[nimble quiver]

so I'm just chilling

[rose laurel]

is that a multiple of 1000

[west terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[west terrace]

9k Lol

[nimble quiver]

it's true, once you've done everything you kind of get bored

I even got the off brand rollex 1.5 hours into a run btw

[worldly mist]

I tip my hat to you

[nimble quiver]

it was off a muldraugh trailer park meta spawn

(the crazy prepper guy map)

[rose laurel]

ok thankfully no

thats my mc playtime easily tho 😭

[worldly mist]

play in feb though!

[west terrace]

lol

[rose laurel]

i cant play mc for more than a week atp

[west terrace]

also tomorrow is national friendship bracelet day so everyone gets a friendship bracelet

[rose laurel]

It just erodes my sanity now

[bold elm]

I’m waiting for next patch (praying to the zomboid gods it’s tonight)

[nimble quiver]

i'll try and get back into pz when new content drops (not just fixes 😭)

[worldly mist]

Am I extra disturbed if every hour of mine is in SP lol

[nimble quiver]

I promise I'll post the most faithful and vanilla bug reports

[rose laurel]

possibly tbh but mp and sp zomboid are effectively 2 diff games

Mp i drscribe as more arcadey

[worldly mist]

Admitedly maybe half of mine are playing, when I work from home I leave it running and catch 10 mins here or there

[bold elm]

Majority of my play time is b41 MP

[rose laurel]

same

[worldly mist]

I could see playing all the time with a good group in MP - i'd be doing it but I need to be able to pause, leave, and play at weird hours

[rose laurel]

And honestly i imagine it causes some balancing difficulties since a unified balance for both of them means one is not commensurate to the other imo

[nimble quiver]

for what, pz?

[rose laurel]

pz sp and mp

[bold elm]

I did a lot of RP and ran a server so I spent a lot of time in game. Not sure how many hours I’ve used up in b42 tho.

[rose laurel]

effectively different games in many respects

[worldly mist]

Sadly I think we are looking at next week at the best

[worldly mist]

I'd love a good RP server!

[rose laurel]

random thought but a cool project might be having your sole goal in game to be creating a big ass building that you constantly expand

1000 hours in and you have this walled city ass nightmare monolith with no lights

More realistic to do it in literally any other game but you could try

[bold elm]

We still have 2 hours of hope.

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/maybe-maybe-maybe-not-2

[broken spade]

Have you thought of just doing it for shits and giggles not sending out the update but sacrificing people.

Where did all of the other comments come from?

[lost niche]

Why is it slurping it like a damn noodle

Is this some ai shit lol

[rose laurel]

yes lol

the smoke not matching the style is a tell too

[west terrace]

gosh i love the ai cats lmao

https://tenor.com/view/pepper-cat-dancing-ai-cat-fruit-cat-gif-17189832476866709028

[worldly mist]

Yeah I don't like much AI but ill take the cats

[broken spade]

discord do be bugging

[rose laurel]

the sentient green feeding tube

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ai-cat-dancing-ai-kitten

[rose laurel]

discord has been deteriorating for a while now

[civic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

You don't see me complaining about it though. 🤔

[rose laurel]

back during the great skype migration of 92' it was honestly great

[civic spoke]

Was Discord that long ago?

[rose laurel]

No lmao

There is a long succession of clients before discord

And evidently a long succession after

[lost niche]

Ewww

Draining resources

[west terrace]

mirc

bring back trout slapping!!

[rose laurel]

irc is one of my personal favorites

Idk what discord does but the fact that i cant send a single sentence message without being a full 3 minutes behind when my connection is shit is just

Ugh

random somewhat related note, i appreciate that tis is pretty relaxed abt the discord server structure if that makes sense

the vintage story discord cracks the whip about that shit but people have a tendency to find a specific channel and never leave so its just like, aight guess ill dip now.

Single best way to kill a conversation is to tell them to take it to another channel

[west terrace]

is it a bigger server than this? i like it here too its relaxedated

[rose laurel]

uh

I'm honestly not sure. Its definitely a lot bigger than it used to be but I dont think the devs consider it big

[west terrace]

but ya i was in a few other discords that were smaller, i can understand having to be stricter on a higher pop server like diablo or marvel rivals but gosh

[rose laurel]

There was a culture of pointless heckling by specific people that absolutely wore them down so im not even going to say that they were being outrageous with some enforcement but it just felt like walking into an office instead of a community for me atp.

the zomboid community is no sterling either ftr but the current schema here is just more compatible with me

[west terrace]

that sucks, i love how tis here at least joke around with us and stuff

even when enforcing rules

[rose laurel]

The vs devs do communicate too

Both studios are good abt it and they do give plenty of red meat with teasers and such

Good abt interfacing with the community at least, communicating what's happening might lean one way more than another...

still better than minecraft though 💀

You'd think the minecraft enjoyers were the only ones there in the official communities

may as well just be fan servers

[sick nacelle]

mmm red meat so much better than bush meat

[rose laurel]

ayyy

though you do need it for bows

[sick nacelle]

VS update at least is fully done before B42, that opens up new fun while waiting here

[rose laurel]

honestly ill probably skip it for the next lore update

[sick nacelle]

VS discord = "rivers when"

[rose laurel]

anego has this frustrating habit of introducing story locations that are aggressively unrewarding beyond the experience too

i suppose zomboid has that too but at least those spots tend to be obviously worthless like office buildings

As opposed to mandatory story beats

Welding schools being dojos that teach the burning fist technique instead of how to use welding torches is a unique choice by the pz devs too 😂

[civic spoke]

I can totally see this right now.

Project Zomboid survived the zombification of Discord

[unkempt belfry]

Posting on Reddit to get all the karma

And cause shitstorm

[sick nacelle]

you're in luck

[unkempt belfry]

(just kidding, I try my best to not be mean ♥️)

[unkempt belfry]

[civic spoke]

Whoa...

[teal flare]

Breathing skill when?

[civic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/breathe-heavy-breathing-cat-yummy-intense-gif-5578726

[teal flare]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-gif-1648093958787232503

[worldly mist]

Breathing skill is key to pooping skill they are linked

especially in lieu of oatmeal

[timid hull]

misake is roleplaying himself irl

[sick nacelle]

it's-a-he, Miiiiisake!

[worldly mist]

You spoiled the new content! Animated TV shows!

[timid hull]

is it a shoe

[swift saddle]

shhhhh don't give them hints

their expectations are already too high

[rose laurel]

new bleach alternative just dropped

[fossil pecan]

Can we remove the map and inventory icons from the left of the screen... I don't know anyone who clicks on them when the keybinds "i" and "m" exist.

[swift saddle]

....ummmm....

I do

[fossil pecan]

why... WHY

[swift saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-walk-of-shame-shame-shameful-head-down-gif-5548725

[sick nacelle]

noob

[fossil pecan]

WHY SULLY

[swift saddle]

I like the mouse more than the keyboard

[fossil pecan]

[swift saddle]

M and I are the right hand

[fossil pecan]

Imagine playing PZ with just a mouse

[swift saddle]

make it easy on the left and then maybe

[rose laurel]

more granular hud customization in vanilla is always nice

[swift saddle]

no, left hand keyboard, right hand mouse

[fossil pecan]

Bind map to tab, inventory to shift tab

[worldly mist]

Thats so absurd I don't even believe you

[swift saddle]

but then I have to take other things off

[fossil pecan]

Tab isn't mapped to anything

[swift saddle]

I genuinely just leave the inventory open all the time

[worldly mist]

like pinned open?

[fossil pecan]

Most people do, so WHY is it always on screen

[swift saddle]

not like fully open, but like, collapsed

[worldly mist]

Oh yeah of course

[swift saddle]

because sometimes I accidentally close it

and then I click the icon to open it

[fossil pecan]

How does one accidentally press i

[worldly mist]

like this

[swift saddle]

imagine taking your hand off the mouse...

[fossil pecan]

Just use your left hand to press m and i then

[worldly mist]

Who would close the inventory windows thats psychotic

[compact shore]

This seems entirely possible (and I think that's a good thing, from an accessibility standpoint)

[swift saddle]

honestly, why isn't it just always at the top?

why even have the option to close it?

[worldly mist]

they go away, justmouse over them

[fossil pecan]

NOW YOU'RE GETTING IT!

[worldly mist]

You can! I work in accessibility and its the first thing I try in games haha

[fossil pecan]

There's a PERMANENT button on screen for a feature <1% players use

More people accidentally press it than on purpose

[rose laurel]

most players dont have good hotkey knowledge ngl

[swift saddle]

I will remember this when we discuss UI overhauls in design meetings and voice the concern

[fossil pecan]

If you don't know m is map, you're just new to gaming

[swift saddle]

mine honestly sucks

[rose laurel]

You probably don't even know half the hotkeys for your own operating system

[compact shore]

Figured so with the existence of Walk To

[fossil pecan]

Imagine your first video game is zomboid

[compact shore]

Cooked

[worldly mist]

Yeah, you gotta make it a lot easier and super low zed population

but if you get good enough you can take 1-2 on at at time mouse only

[fossil pecan]

Yes, thank you, the entire top left icons seem to get ignored a lot

[sick nacelle]

"That mean user really hurt my feelings, it's time to remove keybinds I and M in favor of the already made visible buttons"

[compact shore]

There's the pause buttons too, although having to navigate up there to click is a potential issue for mouse-only

Can't we rebind to mouse buttons now? (or am I just assuming that from code changes?) Seems like it'd be even more possible in b42

[worldly mist]

screams in dwarf fortress

[rose laurel]

It took me a while to identify x in zomboid

[fossil pecan]

Mouse rebinds are supposed to be a thing, but I think they're broken?

[compact shore]

I never actually tried, just remember seeing something related

[worldly mist]

Wait waht does x do

[rose laurel]

Racks guns

[fossil pecan]

• The only time I've ever clicked the primary and secondary slots is to swap hands, add bait, or add an item to a seat (rarely a normal container). Hands should be in the hotbar on the bottom, not the top left.

• The inventory icon, remove it, done.

• Heart/health, make it more obvious/unique to health status.

• Crafting and building should be the same

• Pick up furniture and others should be operated with the tab key or right clicking

• Foraging is fine :)

• Animal zones is fine :)

• REMOVE THE MAP ICON :)

And that's what I think about the top left icons

Welcome to my Ted Talk

[rose laurel]

Or

Toggles

You should be allowed to have as much HUD as you want, or as little as you want.

[worldly mist]

thats sick

[rose laurel]

Yeah using guns is pretty harrowing when you don't know that

But I guess it is kind of emblematic of a new gun user needing to really focus

And then getting distracted and eating

[worldly mist]

It would be cool if there was a button to like flourish a weapon, like just spin it or something haha. In bannerlord you can flip the thrown weapons from throwing to melee and it flips in your hand its cool

[rose laurel]

Zomboid is interesting in that you, yourself are the plot armor for your character

Because you have all the meta knowledge, or lack thereof

Reincarnation theories are just something so beyond the game mechanics that I can make up fun head canons like that

And technically, often enough, I'd be right. You have this totally separate individual waking up in the living room and bolting to where this other person just died to take their shit