42.13.2 Hotfix Released

[half orchid]

Minecraft runs Java too and they've rewritten huge chunks of their base code over time

The performance improvements come mainly from the chunk system which isn't really something you'd see in zomboid

[sage harbor]

Yeah I know about that, and I am also a Hytale fan and I know that they have admitted that in the future they will need to do cleanup because of how release went

[sage harbor]

Pz has its own engine

[half orchid]

The engine is Java

[sage harbor]

Uh, I thought the engine was the engine, java was the language

[scenic hedge]

A bunch of things moved into java before the MP for B42 dropped in relation to crafting to make it more maintainable.

Its probable other stuff moved out if it made sense.

[sage harbor]

All I know is the engine is made in java and that it is very old due to pz dev time

[half orchid]

No, a engine is a toolset, like unity in which you create a game with usually supporting scripting or programming languages

It does a lot for you that you don't have to do yourself

[sage harbor]

I mean isn't that the goal of pz modding? To be a semi-engine that allows for an easier modifiable game?

[half orchid]

While zomboid, hytale and Minecraft all use Java as their "engine" anything possible in those games, someone wrote at some point, no engine involved

[sage harbor]

Well Hytale uses C+ for the client and java for the server due to how modding works

Idk if that makes a difference

Modding is server-sided but from what I have seen a very open server-sided modding platform

[half orchid]

No modders work with a lua API a extra scripting language that is fairly easy to get into, to call back to functions indie stone exposed in Java to lua

[sage harbor]

[scenic hedge]

That is infact safer and saner

[half orchid]

You can technically do Java mods but they're generally not recommended if you don't know what you are doing

And unlike Minecraft there's no need because the modding API is right there and it beats writing Java code any time of day

[sage harbor]

I can imagine it is. Again calling on what I know from Hytale but creating mods is server sided to prevent client manipulation as much as possible. Idk how effective it is 🤷‍♂️

[sage harbor]

But if you did, would you have more creative possibilities?

[half orchid]

Yes and no

Because it would make compatibility with other things a lot harder

Minecraft is only the king of modding because it had some very dedicated modders that created conventions people still stick to and work around mojangs former limits

You really won't get that with pz, because most of what you would want to reach can already be done with Lua

Why reinvent the wheel when it's already there ready to be used and looking very tempting to be used?

[scenic hedge]

Hytale is likely limited in possibility due to that FYI. Also if a mod only adds specific things and not mechanics it doesnt need anything but the Lua API call. A dev for factorio said earlier today how some mods can be really badly coded because they just rely on checking everything on every single tick instead of checking a particular thing when its event gets called. That is extremely wasteful.

[sick nacelle]

foraging is insane unless you need nails from it

[half orchid]

And a full codebase rewrite could take years, which would also waste dev time because not all devs are going to work on in depth systems, some are mappers and artists, what they be doing then?

[civic spoke]

Yeah, nails definitely.

[sick nacelle]

funnily enough I got plenty of recipe magazines out of it, mostly for blacksmithing and outdoor survival skills. Also a metal hammer. Sadly no scissors or modern lighters 🙁

[half orchid]

I wonder if you could use stone shards as make shift nails

[sick nacelle]

try bone nails or wooden dowels

rock would shatter too easily when thin

[half orchid]

Dowels would need drilling, no?

[sick nacelle]

I probably am just using the wrong word for the thing - but you can make a drill in a primitive run

[civic spoke]

Are those in the base game?

[sick nacelle]

no, thats why I never found a 4th nail to progress further without dying inside

[half orchid]

I'd imagine we'd get them at some point, as a easily broken alternative

[sage harbor]

I'm not too worried about that because I've seen a lot of the devs replying to tweets with mods that can't function right now saying they will find ways to make it work, but time will tell

[scenic hedge]

Doing their stuff. Some areas are still not majorly touched up. They could be plabning and concepting for rosewood, louieville, other areas. These things they take time.

[vestal adder]

this may be a dumb question, but i'm trying build 42 for the first time and i'm trying to move an animal trough into the pen. it separated into 2 pieces when i picked it up and i can't figure out how to place it again. any help?

[half orchid]

Far as I know that's what mappers are currently doing

[scenic hedge]

you need to hold both segments when placing I believe

[sick nacelle]

have both pieces at the location you want to move it in, rightclick either piece and Place Item

[scenic hedge]

as in in inventory not equipped.

or that^

[sick nacelle]

preferably have at least one piece in an inventory so you can rightclick its name

[vestal adder]

i've done that but when i click Place Item, it places the lil wooden board looking piece, not the whole thing

i've had it with both in inventory, both in hands, both on ground, nothing

[scenic hedge]

Picture?

[vestal adder]

yeah just a sec lemme recreate it

that third board in front of me is the board i'm placing

it just allows me to move the board part

[sick nacelle]

yeah you're trying to place the "flatpack" form, not the actual item via inventory, it looks like

[vestal adder]

i'll try it from my inv, thought i did that earlier to no avail but lemme retry

[sick nacelle]

alternatively, you see the icon above the magnifying glass? find "place item" over there, and maybe it'll let you do it

assemble, place item, etc...if the inventory way doesn't work

[vestal adder]

yess the place item thing worked, tysm!

i felt like an idiot having so many hours and not being able to figure that out lol

[sage harbor]

Imagine the level of detail in Muldraugh in all the other towns

[sick nacelle]

its not always very easily discovered how to do some things in game...

[half orchid]

Or not do things... Microwave waves hello

[latent citrus]

This really is the best chat channel on the Citadel

[west terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/agreed-gif-20367518

[compact shore]

This may have been corrected already but Java is not the engine

It's not an engine any more than C# + .NET is an “engine”—they were correct to say PZ is written in Java but has its own engine (which has library dependencies such as LWJGL and FMOD)

[worldly mist]

I noticed something

When you kill a zombie laying on the ground already, they ragdoll a bit...

[latent citrus]

Forbidden Melee Ragdoll

I most commonly see that with duders sitting against the sides of walls

[sage harbor]

Thats what I was trying to get at but couldn't because I lack the technical know-how. Thank you for the knowledge drop

[fossil pecan]

But... I like it like this...

[worldly mist]

Sully I just died... without saying anything specific perhaps by reacting with an obsure emoji, should I start a new run tonight or... wait... until tomorrow

[sage harbor]

You're like the guy on the reddit who kept starting new blacksmithing run grinds, or finishing thr grinds just as an update drops

[worldly mist]

LOL yeah where is he

[civic spoke]

Was it reported as a bug which you cannot disassemble some of the built/crafted objects from the Build / Craft menus once the objects are placed in the world? Like building a fence post, placing it, and then figuring out you cannot disassemble the fence post.

[sick nacelle]

gaming gurls keep coming from this server to my friend requests

[civic spoke]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/90775-42131-crafted-stone-cabinet-not-moveableunable-to-disassemble/#comment-455673

Ok, it seems there are some bugs that are similar to the issue.

[umbral nest]

After some thorough testing, the "saw logs" "bug" is related to ground floor not having a weight limit and the character not having a weight limit. The crafting menu thinks there is no space left but receives signal that there's still space left, so when sawing logs it doesn't consume the log. If that makes sense 😅

[raven egret]

I hope i'm not bursting some weird bubble you have going on, but bots, those are bots

[swift saddle]

Report this sort of thing to the Spiffo bot please.

[sick nacelle]

I just...send a DM to it?

[swift saddle]

yup

[sick nacelle]

simple enough, am not functioning well given recent hospital visit, but this should be simple enough

[sick nacelle]

yeah, can't recall if I ever bothered to accept the request to see what "they" have to say

[worldly mist]

Man the PZ sweater is dope!!

[compact shore]

So when PZ sweats it's “dope”, but when I sweat it's “weird” and “gross” and “jesus that's a lot of sweat man maybe you should see a doctor”

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-okay-alright-alrigh-then-ok-jim-gif-15220845

[worldly mist]

My update sense is tingling

[teal flare]

Same

I smell something in the air

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-meme-doakes-dexter-morgan-meme-gif-14749944419500813784

[worldly mist]

Hahaha lets see

[teal flare]

There has been an update every hour in steamdb for the past 3hours

[worldly mist]

They are all very quiet. But maybe they have a monday morning meeting.

[teal flare]

COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-elmo-elmo-fire-fire-chaos-chaos-fire-gif-26561992

Oh great priest of the SteamDB tea leaves

what does the future hold for us

[teal flare]

We just need 11 more updates now and then it is .14 time

[worldly mist]

I like your math

[teal flare]

The update will release as the last steamdb sets down in the horizon

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-stilgar-lisanalgaib-fremen-lisan-al-gaib-gif-13633185611076219756

[teal flare]

And as the fourthenth update arrives, so does the .14 version

[compact shore]

Delay the update

[teal flare]

https://tenor.com/view/cachorro-batendo-panela-n-peita-sou-foda-beating-pot-dog-gif-17571809

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bang-theory-hallelujah-can-i-get-gif-22145348

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/keep-walking-dan-levy-david-david-rose-schitts-creek-gif-20254891

[worldly mist]

Do you have the link to the steamdb

Sully if there is an update today, don't reply to this post. If there isn't an update, don't reply twice

[scenic hedge]

I give it a week at least.

[worldly mist]

Sully said it wouldn't be in the next week 6 days ago, but THEN he said he shouldn't have said that

The version number is changed. I feel it in the water. I feel it in the earth. I smell it in the air. Much that once was is lost....for none now live who remember 42.13.

[teal flare]

He said it wouldnt be this week last week though, he didnt said next week

[worldly mist]

and then he said he shouldn't have said that so it could be this week! It could be TODAY

😮

[teal flare]

He said in the 20 the update def wouldnt be on a week

Today is the seventh day it has been a week

COINCIDECENCE?

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/good-morning-wake-up-wakey-wakey-awaken-gif-26734899

[west terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/clerks2-one-ring-to-rule-them-all-onion-ring-lol-lotr-gif-5502139

[worldly mist]

Now I want onion rings

PS turns out they already added horses to the game

[scenic hedge]

But is it a week of earth days or a week on mercury days?

[worldly mist]

I just got a good new run going so they will release a save breaking update in 3...2...1...

[teal flare]

7 steamdb updates down, 7 to go

[fossil pecan]

Sooo how's the vehicle + trailer bug going?

[teal flare]

Zonboidian fays

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-bon-jovi-take-my-hand-livin-on-a-prayer-outstretched-arm-1986-gif-7882283258857395837

[arctic wyvern]

its called ground beef cuz you can find it on the ground ☝️🤓

(aka i think there's something wrong with the foraging tables lmao)

[worldly mist]

Lmfao I was gonna say, thats beef on the ground! Checks out

[teal flare]

lol

[rose laurel]

Real talk i know it isnt realistic but lots of things cant be found after the power goes out

It's good quality of life for cooks that want to explore the system

Ofc its mostly a case for more ways to create food but its a good provisional supplement

[little solstice]

#1462791980596854927 message

[fossil pecan]

So it IS fixed internally or just being worked on? The last I heard about it was you needed help reproducing it.

[scenic hedge]

is there anything in the works to partially handle the zombie corpses making vehicles basically jump if there are too many in one spot?

[little solstice]

Fixed internally 🍻

[fossil pecan]

Dw, I have another MP vehicle bug to report soon

I didn't think it would come up in vanilla since I discovered it while modding, but it happened lol

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/sussa-gif-5432297967573209335

[lost niche]

But what about externally

[civic spoke]

Nothing to see here.

https://tenor.com/view/no-problemo-gif-2716626459298232148

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-laughing-reverse-reverse-card-reverse-uno-gif-3758578067338957449

[teal flare]

6

[worldly mist]

I UNO Reverse the fix, now you must make it external!

[worldly mist]

Do you have an alert for versions lmao

[teal flare]

na lol I just have it open on my tabs and refresh it while I wait for stuff to finish

healthier them doomscrolling at least

[arctic wyvern]

anyone else having an issue with carry weight on this new patch? i can basically carry an unlimited amount of stuff as long as its being transferred from a container or picked up from the ground

[rose laurel]

I wouldn't call it an issue ;)

But yeah, it's something everyone has right now

[arctic wyvern]

lol yeah its been a challenge to not exploit it on my server ;[

[rose laurel]

If its more fun, use it

I admit i hauled a bunch of fiction home using it

And now i have a lovely home library that i couldnt mentally justify before

[arctic wyvern]

nice lol, ive got a librarian character on my to-play list, i wanna try to get as many books as possible

[rose laurel]

Good luck brother

Its unbelievable how many books they added

Properly insane in a good way

[arctic wyvern]

yeah i love it, theres a good mix too so i can actually do a realistic library. i just wish you could read the backs for a little blurb like you can with some tapes or flyers

[rose laurel]

My collection has at least 500 books but i know theres way more

[rose laurel]

Yeah, i get it tho

Therr are SO many books

It would be cool as fuck to have some of them genuinely readable too like uh

Books that are... I forget the word, not copyrightable anymore?

[compact shore]

I'm sure a mod will come along to do that—every time the “Read” menu option says nothing of interest I think “says who”

[rose laurel]

Me when i see threatening office drama letters in a file cabinet

fuck you survivor i want the sauce who does janet want to kill

[compact shore]

I never thought about the idea that the survivor can read it just fine but is refusing to relay it to us lol

[rose laurel]

You know what'd be such a cool but also sad touch?

The wallet photos -- what if they had writing on them sometimes?

And the postcards for that matter

[compact shore]

Yeah, that'd be a nice touch

Maybe it's planned already though, wouldn't be surprised with all the other details like that

[rose laurel]

The odds would be next to impossible but god, imagine being able to connect the story of two zombies together

Like a way to prove x zombie is y zombie's wife

[compact shore]

I think that'll go from impossible odds to likely in the next few builds—there were thursdoids talking about how NPCs will involve generation of meta relationships

So presumably that means the ones that die may have references to their family

[rose laurel]

Oh i mean like -- for us to do

It just seems unlikely that we'd actually be able to connect them on our own anyway

[compact shore]

Yeah I got you, and now it'd be impossible but idt it will be later

[arctic wyvern]

public domain, and yeah that'd be cool

[rose laurel]

Yeah thats it

BUT

We'd need bookmarks

At least 50 variants

With lots of dangly bits

[west terrace]

I like dangly bits

[teal flare]

ay that's a cool idea, maybe even add in like a lil bit of xp or a random recipe unlock or something like that from a random book

related to the book's title name

[teal flare]

5

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-chris-pratt-parks-and-recreation-parks-and-rec-shocked-gif-5571450

[rose laurel]

Id love to see small nubbins of xp from different sources

Also mini traits that are like recipes in thst theyre out of the way but still there

eg self help book reducing unhappiness gain by like 4% or smth until it's forgotten

[teal flare]

oooooh yeah yeah yeah like.... Fallout

buffs

buffs yeah that is the word

buffs from other sources besides traits that'd be really nice

could be temporary buffs or perma buffs too

-reads a book about samurais
-gets a buff of +5% damage with long blades

[compact shore]

Stat buffs and skill experience gain exists for TV & radio already, seems like it'd fit well for books. Idk about it being temporary for skills since it'd be difficult to explain why the knowledge from a book is temporary (esp. compared to TV, radio, and xp gain buffs from skill books)

[teal flare]

skill experience gain yes, but stat buffs idk if they exist, do they?

[compact shore]

They do, for boredom, unhappiness, and more

See ISRadioInteractions

[teal flare]

like instantly or overtime? only instantly I think yeah? you don't like, watch a comedy movie and then for the next 24h you get less sad

[teal flare]

let me check it

[compact shore]

Yeah those are one time buffs/debuffs

[teal flare]

oh yeah yeah these are nice yeah, I know you can get like scared from some horror vhs movies too and stuff it's really fun

but would be nice to have like a buff over a period of time or even permanently after something (like reading a self-help book and you get less sadness)

[compact shore]

That'd be an interesting distinction, preventing the gain instead of just decreasing it

[teal flare]

exactly

and also apply to other stuff like...
"I just watched this samurai movie, I feel prepared to fight with long sword"
for the next 24h you deal +10% damage with long blades

like a temporary moodle/trait or something

[rose laurel]

the knowledge gain is temporary in the sense that the recently read status for the book goes away

like it's casual reading and you've read 1000 books or w/e so you need refreshers every now and then

vs getting your brain pounded by 9 gurillion pages

[compact shore]

I don't think it makes too much sense for skills if they're actively in use—a ticking clock for memory of a book wouldn't apply if you're using the relevant skill imo, but at the end of the day it'd be a game mechanic

Nonetheless, neat idea

[rose laurel]

not for skill books

skill books should absolutely stay permanent

[compact shore]

Yeah, I meant skill buffs working the way you described there. Doesn't make sense to me, but it sounds like a neat mechanic

[rose laurel]

speaking as someone whos brain is a sieve it's intuitive to me 😭

[compact shore]

Lmao no yeah I feel you there, but I think if I were actively using knowledge it wouldn't just disappear suddenly

[rose laurel]

to an extent, though its like...

a new years resolution for instance, or a new habit like meditation you pick up

it's easy to fall completely off with time esp if it feels taxing

regularity like exercises have could be cool tho

[compact shore]

Regularity with diminishing returns for how much it helps would make much more sense to me—simulation of slowly forgetting without it being a ticking clock with instant “oops, forgot this thing I learned now”

[worldly mist]

So we are ending the day at what 5 commits left lol

[teal flare]

Ay theres still time

[worldly mist]

That's true they did drop a few closer to 4pm EST

[arctic wyvern]

mfw four irl hours to read two vol 1 books with fast reader 💀

[rose laurel]

while that is logical part of the problem is that it's essentially creating something of a need to religiously top off a bunch of books. It's not necessarily like hunger or unhappiness where it yells at you for neglecting a need. At the very least the books would need indicators i think

or at least clamping it at first and letting falloff begin x weeks later or smth

fatigue degrading foraging radius the instant you wake up comes to mind as the friction

[worldly mist]

Use reading glasses, its 11.11% faster

[arctic wyvern]

yeah ik i saw the post lol, havent found any yet

[worldly mist]

Thats a long time though ngl

[arctic wyvern]

yeah, its realistic tbh but its one of those things that doesnt feel more fun for being realistic 🤔

ig i'll just switch to reading before bed at night like i do irl instead of trying to pound through a library in a day 😂

[worldly mist]

I don't play MP but I wonder if a middle ground would be to let your character read books 'offline'.

As long as the server is ticking along

[arctic wyvern]

hmm, i dont think theres any way to manually apply the exp buff from reading the book 🤔

[worldly mist]

Oh I mean like for them to add a feature to the game that lets you pick a book to read when you aren't logged in, so you'd tell the server what you are reading when you log off and then it tells you how much time passed when you log back in and its assigned as reading time

[arctic wyvern]

aah yea that'd be pretty complicated to do lol

[worldly mist]

The reading glasses thing is funny that no one has known for so long, given how meaningful that is in MP. That'd be like 25 mins in your case

[arctic wyvern]

yeah really lmao, definitely going to look for some

it'll be funny cuz my guy is this big tough engineer/groundskeeper so having a lil pair of reading glasses he hangs onto is good lore 😂

[rose laurel]

short sighted lookin real good suddenly

prescription reading glasses

[worldly mist]

TIS at some point the heart attack entering this basement is going to be your fault lol

@west terrace I feel like you would love this thing I found:

[west terrace]

😆 i love so much that there are plushies in the trash and stuff and now we have trash gobliers!

[worldly mist]

HAHAHA

[west terrace]

those ALWAYS make me jump at the storage place in muldrag

[worldly mist]

Literal trash goblin

[west terrace]

more of those types of basements , i wanna be shit myself !

[worldly mist]

Right lmao

I was running too, I actually went AHH!

[rose laurel]

they should make seeing mannequins behind a door play the jumpscare sound

:)

[west terrace]

hahahaha , yeah imagine if they had jumpscare noise with them lmao

[worldly mist]

That would be amazing haha

same one except end it with a clown sound or something lmao

[west terrace]

i still jump to the pz jumpscare noise lol

[arctic wyvern]

does tracking work yet in this patch 🤔

[fathom coral]

anyone knows why I dont have the option to plumb this sink

[rose laurel]

sink outside

[worldly mist]

@west terrace puppers junior is home

[fathom coral]

can these lights be turned on when powered from a generator?

[worldly mist]

I think so

[fathom coral]

i dont know where else to click to activate

[civic spoke]

I wanted to hold a discussion and ask, why can't we have a Carve Stone Wheel recipe requiring Carving level 8?

[west terrace]

lol puppers and dairy tartanus !! also look at the cute magnet

[rose laurel]

havent had luck w string lights either

[unkempt belfry]

you want the game to think it's an interior

[fathom coral]

will building walls around it be enough? @unkempt belfry

[rose laurel]

walls, doorframes, I think fences count too.

[teal flare]

3

2

Next one is the update i bet a thousand cookies grannies on it

[sage harbor]

Would love for update soon but if it need more time it needs more time

[compact shore]

Update NOW, developers! Now! I demand it! I am asking very nicely! Do it, now!

[arctic wyvern]

has anyone else run into an issue where players are unable to drop a chicken once they pick it up (effectively rendering their hands useless lol)? not sure if theres any way i can fix it as admin 🤔

[teal flare]

Maybe deleting the chicken item from their inventory?

[arctic wyvern]

ill give it a try 🤔

[worldly mist]

But it’s so late! Maybe first thing tomorrow

[teal flare]

Maybe!

they are working very hard though that's for sure

[compact shore]

No, not first thing tomorrow. I demanded it now in all caps so it'll be out any moment now

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-stilgar-fremen-disbelief-gif-17405899726704623697

[worldly mist]

Yeah we love to see it happen!

[spare gate]

wondering that as well

[rose laurel]

Are washers not working currently?

[worldly mist]

Working for me in SP

[latent citrus]

Working for me in MP too, even plumbed/moved ones

[sage harbor]

Uh did they remove the exertion moodle being a progress bar? Currently in my game it isn't but I don't remember if they addressed it or if it is a bug.

[latent citrus]

Yes, purposefully removed

[sage harbor]

Damn, I got used to it. Guess I gotta readjust

[west terrace]

think they said itll be readded later

tried looking for the message to quote it but i got lost

[sage harbor]

Right. I kind of hope they make this a feature in the npc builds since emotions might come back. Might be cool to be able to learn to listen to your body and your emotions and get to see more insight into how you're doing.

[sage harbor]

Thanks for trying

[west terrace]

[silver ether]

Guys, is anyone else having issues reloading weapons? The mags keep disappearing. I already posted a bug report on the official forum.

[sage harbor]

Are you playing modded or vanilla and singleplayer or multiplayer?

[silver ether]

Mp vanilla

[sage harbor]

Sorry I can't help, still haven't gotten around to MP. Is the issue presenting in every person on the server?

[silver ether]

Yep! But it’s working fine in my single-player save… I guess it’s related to multiplayer. There’s also an animation issue while reloading and a stack trace notification in the MP console. This happens when I start reloading while the magazine is inside a backpack. The animation loops forever, no bullet is inserted, and I need to do it again for it to work — but this time without the stack trace notification

[sage harbor]

Hmmm, good job you submitted a bug report, sounds problematic. QA will get around to it, don't worry

[silver ether]

Yes! Since I haven’t seen many comments about this, I keep wondering if it’s only happening on my server/game or if it affects other people as well. I also noticed that the magazines only disappear when I press R. If I use the radial menu to remove the magazine and then use the radial menu again to insert it, the issue doesn’t happen

[silver ether]

Thanks bro! Sorry about my English LOL

[sage harbor]

No need to apologise! Your English was perfect. If you are struggling with the bug a lot and want to be able to use guns easily, you might be able to see if there is a mod for a fix and add it to the server, but I unfortunately can't tell you how you could do that. MP is very unknown to me in terms of set up and editting in the middle of playthroughs. Good luck

[worldly mist]

@teal flare four more happened!

[worldly mist]

Yeah that was legit perfect english!

[teal flare]

oh yeah I saw!!

but I'm betting it's only thursday now

thursdoid time

[glad lintel]

So ... you were homeschooled, eh?

[swift saddle]

lmao

[worldly mist]

He's alive!

[swift saddle]

that's debatable

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/starcraft-goliath

Sully you missed our degenerate speculation yesterday

[swift saddle]

yeah that was intentional

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/oopsies-ohno-1

Its not the same without you getting annoyed and telling us to have low expectations

[teal flare]

it was not degenerate it was highlyy fundamanted by scientific data

[worldly mist]

If I win on this ticket, there is an update today

[teal flare]

[swift saddle]

fate has spoken

[worldly mist]

Sorry guys

Wait I forgot to scratch the bonus section! It says I won a jet!

TIS, Where's my Jet?!

[teal flare]

9 updates in the last 24h dash, still need 5 more to go

[viscid adder]

I hope they add the ability to carve a bowl. If you can carve a bucket, why not a bowl.

[teal flare]

AND ON THE DAY WE GET 14 UPDATES IN LESS THEN 24HOURS, 42.14 shall rise

[teal flare]

@worldly mist

[worldly mist]

Ugh I locked my forum account lol forgot the password, but are you guys aware of this bug? If you run up to a zombie that is laying down and kill it before it moves, it ragdolls and then is both living and dead. I mean I guess thats what a zombie is lol so what I mean is it still scares you and wiggles but doesn't 'move'

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/abbott-elementary-praying-6

[teal flare]

I really want to start a new playthrough but i really want to wait for the next update too

harsh life decisions

[worldly mist]

Im just playing anyway

I feel the same but at the end of the day I realized the game is fun even when I die

and I eventually always die. So if a new version comes out that kills the save, ill just consider myself to have rushed to fast into a basement lol

[teal flare]

same lol, death is inevitable

ok i will bite it, time to start a 16x save

[worldly mist]

I had an amazing run going and got lazy, sprinted into a basement and collided with a zed game over lol

[teal flare]

F lol

[worldly mist]

Since I know too much Meta, like how to easily get a military backpack, ALICE Belt, Gen mag and like 5-7 bats day 1 I started playing where I go house by house and can only travel to places my character 'knows' about becuase of fliers

otherwise I can't keep myself from just getting all the best stuff day 1 and then driving to every good gun place to generate the location so it isn't looted

Once you know how to get everything fast, it ends up being more fun to just play with the hand you are dealt in terms of what you can find progessively nearby vs just going and getting everything then settling in haha

[dawn drum]

looking for server help rn.. im not the admin but any current problems with unstable crashing with save state =0 always returning?

[teal flare]

good thing my memory is bad so I can't remember exact locations lol

I just cruise around and loot what I find

[worldly mist]

Lol I wish I could forget! I can get from riverside to the brandbenbrug checkpoint to get military stuff, to guns unlimited, the doe valley surplus place and stendos then back to riversdie without looking at the map haha

[teal flare]

dammm

I can at best navigate around LV cause it's the place I explored the most on foot

[worldly mist]

Ironically i've been to LV once haha

Saving it for B42 stable so I have a long-term goal still

[teal flare]

niceee

mine is the opposite lol, I still haven't visited the new cities

like brandenburg and echo creek and ekron

ok starting insane zombie pop and insanely rare loot with bandits and helicopters often, lets see how long I can survive or if I can even survive

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/you-got-this-140

[west terrace]

THEY HAVE NAMES NOW?

lol do metal spear

[teal flare]

4 to go

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/leonardo-di-caprio-oh-yeah-baby

[worldly mist]

puppers my old guy died, puppers junior will sit on that fridge forever now

[west terrace]

wait irl or

[worldly mist]

Nooooooo

My PZ character that found the trash goblin haha

he gone

[west terrace]

lmfao ohhhh NOOO

[worldly mist]

Can't believe I lost a trash goblin run

[worldly mist]

Is that 9 in one day now or 10?

[teal flare]

10 but we only have one of these for 1hour til it was yesterday and we go back to 9

[worldly mist]

LOL

[teal flare]

i died yeay

heavy branch is definelly not usable as a weapon goddam it exausted me really quick

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pour-drink-4

[worldly mist]

yeah she heavy. but at lvl 9 carving you can make it a bat! Its true form!

[teal flare]

AYO THERE'S A RAT IN MY SPAWN HOUSE

3 rats I have 3 rats living with me

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pixelbandits-lotr-1

@teal flare

[lost niche]

What updates

What are yall yapping about

[worldly mist]

The ancient and mystical art of scrying steam commits https://steamdb.info/app/108600/history/

[lost niche]

Ah

Steam stalking

[worldly mist]

16 in the last 24ish hours. If you listen to Dad Sully it means nothing, but if you truly believe, it still means nothing

but maybe... it means something

[vital umbra]

is there any actual patch information in that? Not seeing any.

[rose laurel]

the timelines are going to converge soon

watch your calendar

buy 300 rolls of toilet paper when it says it's 1993

[worldly mist]

No haha its mostly meaningless. Just means someone changed something.

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/2012movie-charlie-frost-2

[ashen tangle]

toilet paper meme from covid

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/panic-buying-south-park

[sage harbor]

Why did my country freak out so much about toilet paper 🦘

[swift saddle]

get a bidet... thank me later

it's better in every conceivable way

They are super cheap and easy to install too

pays for itself

Here's an ad to help convince you as well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_zA4szLY2k

[sage harbor]

Don't think I have ever seen a bidet in Australia

[swift saddle]

seriously, best investment I ever made

Amazon has tonnes for cheap too

[sage harbor]

But like, water going at high speed near 'those' regions sounds a little much for me at least. Idk maybe one day but right now the idea freaks me out a bit

[swift saddle]

you get used to it fast... not uncomfortable in the slightest

[sage harbor]

I'll keep that in mind

[swift saddle]

using my platform for good... saving the environment one shitty asshole at a time

[sage harbor]

Project zomboid bidet update confirmed? Also I'm not shitty

[swift saddle]

I'd buy one

[fossil pecan]

I can't wait to take this out of context

[sick nacelle]

Sully needs less caffeine

[lean basin]

I encountered the same bug in SP but it was before the .2 hotfix so maybe its an unnoticed bug , i suggest u make a bug report with the video

[worldly mist]

Yeah will do - was there a bug report before .2?

[lean basin]

I didn’t check that but i dont think so

[lean basin]

You encountered it with no mods enabled yes?

[worldly mist]

Right and a new save. It happens reliably any time I can kill a zombie laying down before it starts moving

[lean basin]

Oh so its a bug 100% cause i encountered it in a few moded playthrough in 42.13.1 thats why i didn’t make bug report

[worldly mist]

Ok if this scratch ticket is a winner, the update will come tomorrow:

[lost niche]

Bro stop

We are never getting an update at this rate

[lean basin]

https://tenor.com/view/woman-pointing-at-a-man-man-confused-funny-meme-man-worried-gif-12076170236300895692

[worldly mist]

Ill win eventually!

[sage harbor]

Will you though? Big gamble for Sully's sanity

[swift saddle]

that ship sailed long ago

[sage harbor]

[worldly mist]

Is it possible to lock steam on a certain version of a game and not make more updates?

[swift saddle]

Not permanently I don't think. You can go offline mode. If this is about PZ though you can just copy the contents of the game's folder, there's no DRM

[worldly mist]

Oh so I could just like make a copy of the game at 42.13.2 and run it from another folder?

thats clever

[swift saddle]

yeah should work

[civic spoke]

I see some interesting strategies to optimize EXP farming.

Worst of all, they can't be disassembled after being placed down.

[worldly mist]

Wait just a minute, are you saying a game can be financially successful by being good rather than by needing to have extremely aggressive and restrictive DRM?!

[civic spoke]

Unless, can you light a molotov onto these things and have them be destroyed?

[civic ember]

Yeah, best thing ever only next to the cure-it-all drinks

[civic spoke]

Unfortunately, that bug is getting nerfed.

I think the max will now be 50 encumbrance.

[civic ember]

I think it would be really nice if they just stopped with updates and dedicated all that time without updates to clean up the code, it's a little time sacrifice to pay for better, faster updates

[civic ember]

Well, maybe not stop at all but dedicate the majority of the effort to clean code and make it more "workable"

[compact shore]

It'd be nice but I don't think it would be very possible to manage communicating that

[civic spoke]

Yes, but you know full well this ain't happening.

[sage harbor]

This should be a sign that encumbrance should be readjusted a bit for some items. That or use the new grappletech to make some items not items but instead things you interact to move around

[civic ember]

Many of the troubles with this updates is just caused because of spaghetti code and old code that's outdated, dedicating time to fix that would only be good for each one of us modders and players because it would give us faster, better updates just for a little bit of time

[civic ember]

Yeah, at least they are doing code cleanup and trying their best, unlike Mojang with Minecraft

[compact shore]

If this hypothetical cleanup phase were to happen between b42 and b43, the build which will introduce the first phase of NPCs, I don't think the devs would ever hear the end of it from angry fans lol

[civic spoke]

I thought Grappletech works only on 3D models. The objects in the world (objects you place, or objects you build/place down) would also need to be animated somewhat. Or at least be 3D.

[compact shore]

Like we would like it but a very vocal portion of people wouldn't

[civic ember]

Angry fans are just idiotic people, I get it, you want updates, but if you give time to the team the updates will be faster and more stable

[sage harbor]

I don't remember how they described it but I think they said that grappletech was going to be implemented in a decent amount of ways once it was cleaned up and ready. I could be misremembering

[civic ember]

Well, maybe not idiotic, but they really like to throw tantrums for naught

[civic spoke]

I had the impression it was for the ragdolls when they revealed ragdoll physics.

[civic ember]

I think that specific gap would be the perfect time to clean up their mess

[sage harbor]

Isn't grappletech what the corpse dragging is? Not ragdolls? I thought the idea was an animation system that allowed for better interaction between 2 or more "things" (zombies, players, workbenches, etc)

[sage harbor]

[civic ember]

It should also have the Nintendo pin lol

[compact shore]

Agree to disagree I suppose, like I said I'd personally like it but I can't imagine it being ideal from a “PR” standpoint

[worldly mist]

Lmao

[swift saddle]

yeah people won't be happy with us just spending time doing nothing but refactoring... RJ has been tackling tech debt regularly though, so it's something we do work on

[civic ember]

Yeah, to a mainstream point it wouldn't be sustainable, but in the long game it's the best option for performance

[civic spoke]

I was thinking of how GrappleTech can be used outside of corpse-dragging, such as car crashes, animal butchering, animal petting, ragdolling zomboids off the skyscrapers, ragdolling zombies down ramps (this was retracted), and ragdolling zombies and pushing cars down.

[compact shore]

I wish this channel allowed reactions so that I could react to this with 💯. Instead I'm forced to explain my intent with words like some kind of animal

[sage harbor]

How has he been going? Any systems that are clearly in need of a refresh that you can tell us about?

[civic ember]

You don't have to say it twice lol, we all just have to remember what the wait for b42 MP was like for some people lol

[civic spoke]

Give our thanks to RJ..

[worldly mist]

I feel like you guys should do a massive community poll after b42 goes stable and ‘ask’ the community if we support you guys doing this fully between 42 and 43. If it’s over 50% support tough tittties for the rest and go do it!

[sage harbor]

I really don't know what scale they want to go at for it 🤷‍♂️

[civic ember]

Wouldn't the crafting system be one of the most affected ones?

[compact shore]

Show-off 😠

[civic spoke]

Yeah, lots of unknowns.

[swift saddle]

definitely not lol

[sage harbor]

Of definetly that one, but I can imagine others would have some rotting bases

[worldly mist]

But people on the internet are so reasonable!

[swift saddle]

He's been chugging along but naturally it's a balancing act between new content and refactoring

[teal flare]

Can always emote it
Teha reacted with to your message

[civic ember]

Yeah, it's to be seen how it would work but I personally wouldn't mind waiting some time if it meant faster, better updates that could lead to stable versions in let's say half of the time they take now

[sage harbor]

Good to hear, send our best wishes in his efforts

[civic ember]

Maybe the fighting system? It's sometimes sooooo janky

[civic ember]

I can imagine it has to be a real nightmare

[civic spoke]

It will be when it comes to merge code together.

😈

[civic ember]

Adding new things would only mean you'd have to refactor old things that you would later have to refactor again to make them not be old

A pain in the arse

[swift saddle]

the only reason it's a real nightmare is because you're constantly building on a foundation that you want to rip out... so it does get tricky as "do I spend a day implementing this feature/fixing this bug, or do I spend a week fixing it properly so that all future development around it is better"... and it's tough to know what's right in the moment

[umbral nest]

lol

[compact shore]

But if I do that then I can't complain, and I love complaining

[swift saddle]

and sometimes instead of day vs week, it's week vs months

[sage harbor]

Yeeesh

[civic spoke]

RJ - "Oh god... I just merge this code, and now I gotta resolve this code again??"
MadDan - "Oh, you'll be fineeeeeeeeeeee."

[teal flare]

I would bet its the car system

Its probably been the same ever since cars got added

If it works, why mess with it?

[umbral nest]

Despite all of that, what you guys accomplished within a year is amazing. It's night and day vs the b41 days

[civic spoke]

Maybe GrappleTech will allow us to do Hadoken on zombies??? 😄

I WANT SOME POUND CAKE!

[civic ember]

Yeah that's what I was saying, you cannot build a castle of knowledge on cimmentations of ignorance - Mr Jagger, 2022

[teal flare]

I just want grappletech to climb up laddwets pleaswe

[civic ember]

I want to punch their rotten, fucker faces

[civic ember]

That would be fucking nice

[sage harbor]

Actually in one of these new discussion threads a dev said he is working on car physics to make them better, not only for ragdolls, but also for towing and even ramps.

[civic spoke]

What's laddwets?

[sage harbor]

It was a few months ago but the dev said it wouldn't be a b42 thing

[civic ember]

Lol that's janky as shit too, the towing 💀

[civic spoke]

I do recall that as well.

[civic ember]

It's when a friend gets wet

[teal flare]

Ladders

[civic spoke]

That and the ramp being temporarily removed from Build 42.

[teal flare]

Oh heck yeah then

[civic ember]

We can only hope it somehow gets added

[teal flare]

Oh yeah the ramp stuff for multi level car driving

It will be really cool when its in

[sage harbor]

All subject to change though

[civic ember]

I want to make my multi floor garages

[compact shore]

You're not allowed to say the word “merge” when I'm not at work, it makes me tense up (I don't actually mind doing it at all but 1 too many messy merges have associated the word with fear)

[sage harbor]

I merged into a lane

[civic spoke]

Sorry, I'm merging to the right on the highway to Hell.

[teal flare]

I want to explore multi floor garages

[compact shore]

No! No!

[civic spoke]

😈

[compact shore]

https://tenor.com/view/akira-leave-me-alone-tiktok-meme-reaction-gif-9595462199354763206

[civic ember]

Specially with a community as pushy as this one is

[civic ember]

Oh yeah that would be cool as fuck

Spooky, but cool

[civic spoke]

Oh yeah, I do as well. I wanted to see some multi-level car garages near train stations. Maybe we will get new areas, probably north of Louisville, KY?

[civic ember]

I want tanks, burnt tanks on the ground

[compact shore]

I feel like I recall this still being in but unused, unless something changed in the last few versions that I missed, so mods might be able to play with it

[civic spoke]

No, train tank cars are fine enough for me.

[civic ember]

Two things we do need are more gun and vehicle variety, it's one of the worst things of vanilla, that out of the maybe 15 different guns in-game 7 are pistols it's something that makes me sad

[civic spoke]

Ok, this I'm not sure, but I thought the devs commented out the ramp code in the source.

[civic ember]

Maybe they surprise us like they did with ragdolls

[compact shore]

Me personally I think we need a second axis of rotation for pla—oh, wait, we have that now. Nevermind I don't have any requests

[civic ember]

I might have lost something here

[civic spoke]

Tanks -> Tank car -> Train tank car

[civic ember]

If you get in to debug mode I think you can spawn them

[compact shore]

Commented out what? If it's Lua that doesn't mean much, and if it's Java that'd basically just be removal from modders' perspective

[civic spoke]

Multi-level dad joke

[sage harbor]

OH I JUST REMEMBERED. A dev on the forums said a while ago there is an idea to make it possible to do the stealth kills like short blade, but with guns (I think they said pistols). Grappletech could be perfect for that!

[civic ember]

I'm still lost

[compact shore]

I say doesn't mean much because re-adding something commented out in Lua is trivial for a modder

[civic ember]

Armored cars, that would be fucking sicl

[civic spoke]

Tanks are vehicles, so tank -> a type of "car". Tank car -> Train carriage carrying liquid -> can be found around Irvington / Brandenburg train tracks -> Burnt train carriage. So you have burnt tanks

[civic ember]

Who was the modder that got on the team, filibuster?

[swift saddle]

yup

[compact shore]

There have been multiple

[swift saddle]

well the latest

[civic ember]

For example?

Filybuster is going to make greaaaat things

[compact shore]

Aiteron was another, maybe the one prior to filibuster unless I've forgotten someone

[civic ember]

God I want more cars and guns fuck, the good thing is mods got us covered

[civic ember]

...

[civic spoke]

Hmmm, maybe my multi-level dad joke is too highly dimensional.

[sage harbor]

Has Fili adjusted well?

[civic ember]

Yeah, as you said

[teal flare]

Or even some underground parking lots at the current malls

[swift saddle]

haven't actually had much interaction with him

[civic ember]

Any mod I should know?

[swift saddle]

team is getting so big now

[civic spoke]

I want to see the team keep growing

[civic ember]

One another great modder is KI5, and there was a guy with guns, CJ, that made a great mod which is now discontinued god knows why

[civic ember]

Same

[compact shore]

His towing mod was a big one

But presumably there's others too, idk off the top of my head

[sage harbor]

Be careful 🙏 Last time I had a game I loved get a big team it was Hytale and that almost died (I know TIS knows that because its been said before when people question the hiring)

[swift saddle]

yeah the directors are pretty good at knowing their limits

[sage harbor]

Then that's the most important thing 👍 Also 5000 hours is crazy from that one hire

[compact shore]

Can you ask the directors if it's within their limits to send me (and me only) one billion dollars

[civic ember]

Yeah a big big team may dilute the game

[swift saddle]

I already asked about myself, but can ask for you

[compact shore]

Thank you I'll be waiting

[teal flare]

Sulllyy since you are here and so open minded today
Any spoilers you can give to us about new animals?
I know they showcased roaches in one of the thursdoids, i was wondering if they are still planned to come in b42?

[civic ember]

It's something the developers of another game I like, vintage story, have said too, having too many of a big team may dilute the things you want for the game

[teal flare]

They were basically ready (or at least functional for the video), really curious why they didnt get in

[civic ember]

Oh yeah please I want spoilers

[swift saddle]

I haven't been keeping up on new animals. To my knowledge (which could be incorrect), new animals aren't coming until B43

[civic ember]

So, no carnivores?

[teal flare]

Got it,
Fair enough, thanks for the anwser

[swift saddle]

Not for 42... not to my knowledge

[civic ember]

Also if you can answer, b43 is planned on taking less time than b42?

[sage harbor]

But their ai improvements are something happening? I remember it being said that the current ai is a placeholder until the advanced ai system gets implemented in b43+

[swift saddle]

I have no idea about time frames for B43

[sage harbor]

Wait nvm I misread

[civic ember]

I wanted a bear so bad, fuck, also thanks for the answer

[civic spoke]

I'm pretty sure no one knows. Don't worry about it.

[sage harbor]

You sure

[compact shore]

B43 will take 43 days exactly

[teal flare]

Carnívores are gonna be really hard to implement probably
I mean, how can you balance getting mauled by a bear that is not just insta death or unrealistic?

[civic spoke]

This isn't "28 Days Later"

[civic ember]

Yeah I didn't want to sound pushy, just wanted to know if they had any idea

[raven egret]

THAT'S IT, you left room for possibility, my expectation have risen by a steady 1000%

[compact shore]

Yeah it's 43 days later

[civic ember]

My bad if I looked pushy sully, sorry

[civic spoke]

[swift saddle]

Oh you will be sorry... you will be

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-youwillbe-gif-5387097

[civic ember]

Yeah, it's something to really look on

[sage harbor]

Obviously you might not want to answer this as it might set expectations, but is the whole team split thing still occuring? As in some devs are working on b42 stuff, some on 43+ stuff, and some with the MP division as aids?

[teal flare]

One animal im really anxious for is frogs though

Imagine how nice they will be just hopping around happily

[civic ember]

May I ask one last question? 👉🏻👈🏻

[civic ember]

A patch of calm in all the crazy things

[civic spoke]

I'm just glad frogs are just decorative frogs.

[teal flare]

Unless the frog is poisonous

[civic spoke]

We got enough poisonous things at home.

[teal flare]

Yes but imagine if they could walk and be petted

[swift saddle]

I've seen nothing to the contrary, but I haven't been invovled in any meetings about that

[civic ember]

Insects will add a lot of depth, I just hope a cockroach doesn't fucking obliterate your car like the rabbits do lmao

[civic ember]

Lick it then and have a goooood time

[sage harbor]

Nice 👍

[compact shore]

Sorry... Like the board game Sorry!... The board game Sorry that was patented in 1929... 1929, 64 years before 1993... 64 hours until the next patch guys

[civic spoke]

I would rather have snakes than insects when it comes to destroying my beautiful tires.

[teal flare]

Cant wait to die by a spider/scorpion bite

[civic ember]

If that happens to me i'd riot

[civic ember]

Why not both?

I find it funny that a little cute bunny is the vehicle destroyer 3000 while 45 corpses of more or less 78 kgs are fine for a while

[civic spoke]

Entomophobia trait will have to be added in first.

[civic ember]

I have enough phobias with my hemophobia

Which in an apocalypse would be a fucking curse of a thing to have to be fair

[civic spoke]

Oh wait, did I hear Entomophobia will have +8 points? 😄

[civic ember]

Just imagine you're Killin a zed and you pass out cause of blood fear lol

[civic spoke]

Serious talk though, I have never taken Fear of Blood trait in PZ. In normal gameplay, does that actually make you always panic at the sight of anything?

[civic ember]

Not panic but stress

I don't have that much trouble with panic but stress and sadness really are a pain the ass

But well, you just have to wash your things at home or be naked

[west terrace]

i want more smaller vehicles!!

[civic ember]

I want them in all shapes and sizes

Just imagine having a truck, like, a real truck

One thing I miss for sure are military vehicles

[west terrace]

a dash rancher military !

[teal flare]

can't wait foer the grass mower

to mow grass and zeds

[west terrace]

lol i remember trying that mod and couldnt figure out why they were all mainlining to me like i was a fire alarm

[civic ember]

I want more community service vehicles

[worldly mist]

@teal flare no more updates since 7 hours ago, maybe they have firmed up the update version and were just finishing testing it up

[civic ember]

The ones from ki5 are incredible

[teal flare]

that's my thoughts yeah

they pushedd to the testers to test it to release on thursdday

so if we go over 14hours with no updates UPDATE THURSDAY ONCONFIRMED

[worldly mist]

Noooo tomorrow!

[civic ember]

I'm now in a multiplayer server and I miss my mods so much, having the ecto-1 was a marvelous experience

[teal flare]

na, thursday thursdoid

[civic ember]

It won't be

Not hopium for today

[worldly mist]

Ohhh cause it’s the last Thurs of a month

I mean that would make sense restart then in this new year

[teal flare]

it will def will if we go over 14 hours and 42min with no udpdates

[teal flare]

yessz

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/anchorman-science-its-science-gif-20674302

[worldly mist]

Ugh I’m in the office on Thursdays lol

[teal flare]

Think of it as something to help you get through the day quicker lol

[scenic hedge]

@swift saddle I presune the right click menu is one of those spagetti refactor areas since it has recieved a fair few bugs and changes during the unstable so far and talk of more radial menus aswell to move some logic off of it. looks at clean bandages not working with sinks due to other tech debt reasons related to porting items to new liquid system

[unkempt belfry]

I think part of the problem isn't so much spaghetti as it is that they keep adding functionality, so that list is getting bigger and bigger every time you want to interact with an object, it's just becomes a list of words and hard to parse (especially when going quick)

[worldly mist]

@teal flare an update an hour ago and trailers changed?!

Removed 4 😮

It’s coming tomorrow I feel it in my jimmies

[sage harbor]

Could be Sully or a dev trolling tbh (please no, I would love an update)

[west terrace]

Trailer for the game maybe?

Trailerverse

[sage harbor]

But why? They only do trailers for stable versions and tbh b42 is not stable yet

Just seems odd they remove the trailer just because it's b41 not 42 when 41 is current stable. Would be weird to have no trailer as well. Very odd

[half orchid]

Wasn't it discontinued because the original modder died?

I'm pretty sure I remember something about that

[bold elm]

Are you thinking of VFE?

[half orchid]

Ah right, sorry

There's too many gun mods with vanilla in the name

[swift saddle]

We had this same thing happen around the release of B42 MP actually, but nobody on the team had done it. I think it's something to do with Steam's back end. You'll notice that this change isn't a ChangeNumber either, but a Change U:... whatever that is. So my guess is they've changed how they handle video files in the store given that all 4 of those videos are the exact same video just at different resolutions

It was quite annoying because people then correctly deduced B42 MP was coming, but for all the wrong reasons lol

[teal flare]

Now we are going to correctly deduce b42 stable release

Also hiii sully good morning

[sage harbor]

Well it worked out, just like it could all work out now (Jk, take the time needed)

[worldly mist]

This describes the ancient art of update scrying perfectly haha

[worldly mist]

Thanks for the actual explanation though, that’s interesting!

[compact shore]

If you guess every day that b42 stable will come, eventually you'll be right 👁️

[scenic hedge]

Steam do steam things

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/falcon-sam-wilson-6

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-dont-believe-you-april-fools-day

[half orchid]

yeah, that specifically has happened with SYNCED too, which is about as dead as a game can be

so video/screenshot adjustment dont mean much

[lost niche]

Mfw people watching steamdb for updates

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-early-gif-18074307

[red vine]

Has anyone discovered the bug that allows you to duplicate dumpster containers by filling them with zombie corpses to delete them?

I'll have to see if I can duplicate it in a non-modded world

Weird, must be some mod causing that then huh

[worldly mist]

@teal flare More changes today! But I also noticed we haven't seen any streamers playing the new version, which often happens before it drops

[rose laurel]

yallre like gta 6 cultists in here ngl

respect but its true

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/nods-yes-2

I said it before but I think this channel's entire purpose is to keep us in here and away from the other chats. Its a quarantine zone

Sully engages with us just enough to keep us here and out of the general public

[swift saddle]

....

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/hat-tip-hats-off

[worldly mist]

PS that thing with copying the game folder works, it runs from a different place and even still picks up the same saves. So I assume if I just don't convert this current save when there is an update I can keep playing till I die if I run it from that other folder. Neat!

+1 for devs who respect players lol

[swift saddle]

You can also create a backup of your saves, and reload from them if you really wanted to

[worldly mist]

Ill do that too good call, just in case

[raven egret]

unless they have made monumentous progress in the short period, i doubt Stable is that close

[west terrace]

no this is the pester sully channel

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-cute-poke-sweet-gif-16818145

[latent citrus]

Project Zomboid 2, wen?

[rose laurel]

I just want to say

Im very happy to see developers interacting with the community

I deal with official minecraft communities and ofc they have lots of shitheads to deal with but it's basically a ghost town even in their official feedback server, lol

[sick nacelle]

Cancel the game, go back in time to 1993 and make PZ documentary and win so many prizes and never need to tolerate reddit comments

[lost niche]

Tbf, these are indie devs

[prisma lintel]

Nerds existed in 1993 already, they’d just get annoying comments by mail lol

[west terrace]

chain letters

stackable furniture in pz when !! this is my pz monument in honor of pz yes yes

[worldly mist]

Lol this made me laugh. Although I have to say some of those like AI renders of what a glammed up PZ could look like make me drool.

Like this is obvious slop but this level of detail would be wild:

Also no idea how to reproduce this but this basement is borked, it used to be normal:

[lost niche]

Honestly id hate to constantly look at it

[worldly mist]

thats valid it might be too much right

In a way current pz feels like just the right comfort level of detail

especially as more objects get that higher fidelityt 3d model

[west terrace]

lol they look like pixel cat paws

[worldly mist]

Haha they do!

[half orchid]

ah yes, the fence that is connected to a MRAP Bus

I dont think they make MRAP busses yet

[worldly mist]

Thats a structural MRAP Bus

[half orchid]

and most engines that can offer that level of engine detail are currently not exactly known to run smooth, besides just looking too clean

thats gotta screw with your eyes at some point

[rose laurel]

Mojang IS still anatomically indie

[rose laurel]

Id like the storm is coming with this level of detail

harsh sun kills visual design for me

[lost niche]

Nah, they lost that status the moment they sold to microsoft

[rose laurel]

nah, mojang has creative authority

[lost niche]

Mmmhmm

Im sure

[rose laurel]

When microsoft decides mc is too successful and needs to die thatll change

mojang staff are clear about it directly 🤷

[lost niche]

Hytale looks lit

Ill probably play that instead

[rose laurel]

hytale is using an ancient build that they rigged together for a very late early access. Rocky start after a rocky start that currently struggles to distinguish itself tbh. Speaking as someone that wants hytale to succeed

[west terrace]

yah i want to check that out when it is finished, looks cool

[rose laurel]

currently in early access btw

You can buy it rn and support future development while also getting a discount relative to release statw hytale

[lost niche]

I know

Been considering it

[worldly mist]

Whats different about it over MC?

[lost niche]

I love buying early access games all the time

[rose laurel]

Rn not much

Combat is the biggest distinction

The rest of the gameplay loop isnt developed enough to really claim a distinct identity for itself

"fine" is the concensus otherwise i think

[regal hamlet]

Do people experience zeds spawning around/near non admin players?

[rose laurel]

Its mostly better than b41 but there are instances of recurring undead in houses n such

Zomboid has always struggled a bit with high loaded in zombie pop so its not a new problem and can be more noticeable if performance is tanking

[stable cipher]

I think the current zomboid look is what makes it great and attributes to it's uniqueness.

[civic spoke]

I thought independent developers (indies) refer to developers who are not bounded exclusively to a certain publisher?

If Mojang was bought by Microsoft, Mojang's publisher is effectively Microsoft, no?

[swift saddle]

there's not really a set in stone definition

[rose laurel]

It doesnt actually have a firm definition afaik

[civic spoke]

The Indie Stone definition.

Let's create one.

[rose laurel]

indie games: zomboid

[swift saddle]

I view it as self-published personally, but not everyone does... and if microsoft were to self-publish would you consider that indie?

[civic spoke]

My goodness, Nintendo would've been the most successful indie developer of all time.

[swift saddle]

yeah exactly lol

but technically they are independent

[rose laurel]

indie isnt necessarily decorporatized or good

[swift saddle]

Yeah it's really what people feel is small. Small studio, small budget, etc

[rose laurel]

Kinda just like

Marketing in a way tbh

Indie is good marketing bc people love underdogs i think

i admit that im probably harsher to major publishere than they actually deserve even if i feel like they should be bullied more

Publishers*

[civic spoke]

You should be less harsh, yes, but you should also aim to have higher standards.

[rose laurel]

I mean i just dont touch the slop when i can help it

Dont have patience for generic survival horror #379

Indie horror is probably where indie has the most meaning bc low cost high risk projects seem to do it amazingly when it isnt horrible

Darkwood or duskwood or whatever is one of the best examples i think

Devs thwt were clueless with a horrible development cycle, dished out a banger and dipped

[clever sandal]

so They Knew is currently not updated and its patch appears buggy from the comments. Is there any mod available right now that lets you do something to survive a bite?
Also since Fluffy Hair is not updated yet what hair mod should I be using?

[rose laurel]

There are some vaccines that work for b42 but idk what theyre called

Probs wrong place for that ? tho

[clever sandal]

ah I see which mod you're talking about for vaccines

[civic spoke]

As of 2026, is it time for us to get a new roadmap of future builds? Or do we need to wait for more time before we can see where our roadmaps are?

[thick elm]

Minecraft was indie till Microsoft

[umbral nest]

Morning

[worldly mist]

Anyone remember which tool has a better chance of fdinding worms?

[civic spoke]

Please..... I read that as "fondling worms", and I had to shake my head.

[worldly mist]

I will personally donate $100 to doctors without borders if the team adds an electronics craftable for an automatic gate or garage door opener to vanilla with a keyring remote

how cool would that be, drive up your gate open the keyring and click the remote boom it opens baby

I know there is mod haha

[west terrace]

sand a fry plate

[worldly mist]

https://klipy.com/gifs/leespoons-u-wot-m8

[west terrace]

sanwhich

[worldly mist]

I will buy puppers 10 copies of project zomboid if they add a gate remote and opener

[west terrace]

how about you have to give 10 friendship bracelets to 10 random people

[worldly mist]

Deal!

Now convince TIS

[west terrace]

by remote you mean player is the remote opening the gate ok

lol

[worldly mist]

Lmao a human remote

You played me like a fiddle

[latent citrus]

Mr sand man
sand me a fry

[teal flare]

do ya smell that dash?

i smell something in the air

[west terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/don’t-smile-don't-laugh-trying-not-to-laugh-funny-giggle-gif-6467512265182122147

[granite shard]

Why dont you add vaulting over counters tables etc

[viscid adder]

It would be very cool if you have a tool sitting on a crafting surface, and then you craft something with that tool (game auto picks it up) if it would drop it down to the same place it was before, instead of just dropping it on the floor where you stand

[worldly mist]

This would actually be sick because I setup my garage with a bunch of tools ‘on’ the peg board haha

Using the 3D placement

I think my biggest want is a lawnmower though haha. Gas powered, can remove anything smaller than a sapling but gives you no resources back and is loud.

[stable cipher]

"Time to fire up the lawnmower to cut my yard." 5min later - "Oh shit here comes the whole neighborhood."

[civic ember]

is there any way now to get rid of an infection?

like, the knox virus infection

i got my scren froze

[unkempt belfry]

Vanilla? No, modded? Yes Debug? Yes

[stable cipher]

Nah, unless you use debug mode to remove. Just gotta accept your fate my dude

[civic ember]

how with debug?

god mode?

[unkempt belfry]

God mode but I think you need to double check the general section for infection and uncheck the box

[civic ember]

what general section

[unkempt belfry]

General Debuggers

once in there, go to body, scroll down and uncheck Infected

[civic ember]

kk thx

[worldly mist]

Note that (I think) if you’ve done this once you die instantly the next time you get infected right?

I might be wrong though lol I just remember that

[rose laurel]

Disabling infection should forcibly set your knox infection to 0

So id be surprised

Either the infection is growing or you arent infected

On that note though, honestly would be cool if there was some autistic viral load mechanic where you genuinely do have an immune response

Extremely hard to fight a bite still ofc but it does feel a little cheap that proper wound care has NO impact on infection chance at all

[worldly mist]

I might be making it up but I think NPCs were going to come with a first aid overhaul, at which point it might make sense to be able to amputate bitten limbs for example

[rose laurel]

It wouldnt work

Youd need a near instant cut

[latent citrus]

Yes, removing the Knox Infection this way reliably makes you instadie the next time you take a wound that actually infects you again

If you want to cheat an infected character back to life the "right" way, toggle Godmode on and off, but be aware that this will reset more stats than just Knox Infection

[unkempt belfry]

I did technically say enable God mode first and check to make sure the infection disabled

[latent citrus]

Yeah, I was more answering the other two ehehe

But technically they are redundant with each other

You don't need to do one and then the other method

Using the General Debugger just to check after is what I believe u were saying tho

Oh you can't react in this channel!

[west terrace]

small sacrifice lol

[worldly mist]

I mean yeah but we are talking about zombie lore haha, it works in zombie lore!

[rose laurel]

didnt in twd

I think they use (generally speaking) the most plausible approaches to infection and zombie behavior

[worldly mist]

Herschels leg!

[rose laurel]

There was another instance where it didnt work

[worldly mist]

Yeah its a crapshoot obviously. From a factual standpoint if it is in your blood that system works so fast you'd have no chance lol

[rose laurel]

If they do amputations itd be a lot of model calivration

Is the real issue imo

So many clothes

[worldly mist]

Also, TWD has barbed wire bats and PZ doesn't. Though it has barbed wire... mops

[rose laurel]

Barbed wire bats wouldnt do much more i feel like

[worldly mist]

No but they are drippy which is more important

[rose laurel]

Doesnt seem beefy enough to function to pierce bone at least

I feel like uhh, reformatting combat could be handy anyway

Like making location targetting or smth a reliable thing

Fucking up a horde's legs and cleaning up crawlers

[unkempt belfry]

Yeee ♥️🥹

[latent citrus]

Oh also I find that unintended consequence of removing the Knox Infection through only unchecking the box in General debug

So accidentally thematic

Because it's just like if the virus were acting in some more inert/dormant form, until your immune system is overwhelmed by more exposure

[worldly mist]

Who is this night bandit making steam commits at 02:36:22 UTC every day lol

Literally 02:36:22 UTC yesterday and 02:36:35 UTC today lol

maybe there are little keebler elves working on the game lol

[sage harbor]

Isn't the increment like that a steam backend thing and not an update?

[sage harbor]

But if it is an update, they do have a ton of international workers so it makes sense

[umbral nest]

Anyone has an idea what can you do with Flax and Rye ?

[red cargo]

Zombie Desync Update when? 🤔😳

[unkempt belfry]

Well flax is a fiber, you can spin it into thread on a spinning wheel

Rye can be made into flour

in both cases it's a multi step process so you know, be aware of that

[half orchid]

you are aware that there are devs on nearly every continent?

the main office is just in the UK, but they also do remote work

[worldly mist]

Yes haha I’m just trolling guys

[worldly mist]

@teal flare let’s see if you get your thursdoid :p

[teal flare]

Lets see! We have like 6h left of potential thursdoid release time!

[thick elm]

Erm actually like 12 hours

Depending on time zones🤓

[latent citrus]

I thought Mondays/Tuesdays were the "meta" for futile patch predictions anyway :P

[lost niche]

Thats every day

[teal flare]

4hours until thursdoid''s chances drop to 0

[worldly mist]

Byedoid

[ashen tangle]

we wont be seeing thursdoids until after build 42 becomes stable.

[lost niche]

So never again

[west terrace]

[ashen tangle]

we dont want info drought waiting for build 43 some day.

[worldly mist]

Fridoid?

[sick nacelle]

Leap daydoid

[umbral nest]

Thanks ! 🙂

[west terrace]

mondoid

[half orchid]

its on the 32.01.

[teal flare]

Ik
I mean thursdoid/update

Not thursdoid/blogs news

[civic spoke]

January is typically the "drought month" of every year.

Like, even Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo do this tradition.

You gotta let customers fatten up their wallets.

After the massacre in Christmas.

[glossy herald]

is non-residential houses claiming on the list for a fix or what's causing issues with it on MP ?

[civic spoke]

Now, if you tell me info drought lasts through February, okay, I can understand the sentiment.

But January, meh.......... It's normal.

[half orchid]

I am pretty sure that never worked, by design

there was a mod that made it possible in b41, tho

[glossy herald]

ah ok ! is there an updated one for b42 you know of ?

[half orchid]

allegedly its a sandbox option now, "SafehouseAllowNonResidential"

but there is a reddit post about it not working, so you might want to see if that is set to true, and if check the forum if there's already a bug report for it or not (and create one if, not)

[glossy herald]

problem with "SafehouseAllowNonResidential" is that you can claim popular loot buildings aswell

[half orchid]

I mean... yeah? there's no other way around it

its intended for private servers, while public servers only get to claim residential buildings

[glossy herald]

ye true but alot of nice bigger houses are labeled non residential.

[half orchid]

Then I'd probably go about writing a bug report for the specific houses, if they arent properly classified

[teal flare]

That is likely a bug yeah

Almost all of houses that have 2 floors are marked as non residential

[half orchid]

but in the mean time the only really way around it would be setting that sandboxvar to true and enforce a gentlemans agreement to not steal loot buildings or get evicted by sledgehammer

[glossy herald]

would that be a problem TIS has to handpick all the so to call popular loot buildings to separate them from actual houses ?

[glossy herald]

custom safe zones would work but thats alot more work on the hands for server admins

[half orchid]

yeah, but also keep in mind: MP is currently not intended for large public server

i am pretty sure that was stated in the first MP post, too

[glossy herald]

ye fair enough, still awesome we got it this early

[half orchid]

but I'd generally assume people would be reasonable enough if you let em claim anything and tell him to not abuse it in the welcome message

also often, if someone already is in a region loot wont really respawn either way

[glossy herald]

ye that doesnt work on the server im on haha

[vital umbra]

Is it true there is a bug right now where players can carry infinite weight?

[swift saddle]

yes

[vital umbra]

Alright gotta add an amendment to one of my rules.

[swift saddle]

well technically no... integer overflow is a thing

[vital umbra]

How exactly are players triggering that bug/exploit?

[swift saddle]

it just works... try carrying more than 50

[west terrace]

it worked in 41

[half orchid]

did they add the sandboxvar in a later b41 patch?

[west terrace]

i dont know what this means i just had it enabled on my dedicated server from gportal and was able to claim large warehouses and buildings like that

[half orchid]

i am honestly would love to see someone attempt to see how much they have to loot in apocalypse to get a int overflow

[half orchid]

huh, i just know the last time i played semi public we had a mod for it, but that was probably prerona

safehouses arent really needed if you play with only one other person that is obsessed with making cars run again, give him some metal and hes happy lol

[west terrace]

didnt know there was a mod for it that is neat

[fossil pecan]

The over carry limit bug and the drink/eat while stuffed or from an akward container have been my favorite bugs

[worldly mist]

Doiddoid

The never ending doidy

https://tenor.com/view/neverending-story-victory-yes-happy-excited-gif-3471809

[civic spoke]

Easy. Full amphoras all day any day.

[latent citrus]

https://youtu.be/oSSXEa6BcdI?si=nHP7Yg3Fxqr2zUYy

[worldly mist]

Omg I forgot about this trend hahaha

[vast silo]

Having the same issue

[main trench]

Hey guys, I wanted to know if the controller support has improved in the recent updates.

I remember trying to play split screen with a two friends before the online was released and the inventory management has some bugs

It is worth giving it another try?

[little solstice]

Issue has been identified, I’d imagine it should be fixed for next patch

[little solstice]

lmao — player carries 2,147,483,648 encumbrance and starts floating

[west terrace]

LOL

[unkempt belfry]

Swimming confirmed

[worldly mist]

sky swimming!

[unkempt belfry]

[umbral nest]

Morning ! How do I fix this ? I tried everything from the debug options to removing tiles arround it to rebuilding it 4 times and it does this:

If I put a wall at the same location, all is good. but the double doors ? nan... it renders fine when I am inside

[scenic hedge]

Do you have any mods @umbral nest ?

[worldly mist]

Sully is part of your job to look at reddit so that the other devs don't have to? Because my god they are annoying

[swift saddle]

Sadly yes lol

[worldly mist]

Is there a staff psychologist lol

[swift saddle]

Lmao I can’t remember if it was me or someone else but pretty sure this was pitched lol

[half orchid]

whats reddit up to again

[worldly mist]

It would be really funny to hire one and give them access to your account, then just have them shrinking all the crazy fans

[worldly mist]

Just a post complaining about how the trailer flipping bug, which they said is fixed internally, must be fixed immediately

[fossil pecan]

Me personally I wouldn't take that

I love the triple self identifying in that meme

[worldly mist]

If I put a water dispenser bottle in the oven will it catch on fire lol

[red cargo]

Water vs Fire... i wonder whos gonna win 🤔

[west terrace]

Lmao

[nimble quiver]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3656190498&searchtext=

Sup, might be a little bit off-topic but I've always wondered why most (sound?) meta events aren't really tangible in PZ.

This addon seems to solve it, wish it'd be a vanilla PZ feature though. 🫀

[worldly mist]

Thats pretty cool!

If I had to guess I'd say they are waiting for the NPC architecture to add stuff like that

[nimble quiver]

Yeah, that's what I thought about as well, my guess is that it could be a relatively minor thing to add (until it gets replaced with the dynamic NPC entity system they're making), but yknow, adds a lot to immersion and maybe a bit of randomness / spice of life to a run.

This is just from my pov as having played year(s) into runs (mostly singleplayer -- at around 95-97.5%).

[worldly mist]

@nimble quiver Do you know what happens if I put a dispenser water bottle in the oven? lol

Im trying to play with having to actually clean water without using plumbed barrels for fun

and because I expect they will make us do that eventually

[nimble quiver]

antique oven or what?

[worldly mist]

normal oven

[nimble quiver]

why don't u plumb ur house

[worldly mist]

just feels cheaty that its magically clean I guess?

[nimble quiver]

lol

[worldly mist]

Hahaha

I mean I guess rain water is clean?

[nimble quiver]

Honestly, I don't remember about plastic containers, theoretically it should be fine, no?

If you want to be safe, go outside to an empty area, make a campfire, test it out there.