42.13.2 Hotfix Released

[timid inlet]

is this going to be reflected in ingame mechanics?

[west terrace]

Lol i th ought it was real

[swift saddle]

I mean the table being destroyed is real, PZ being on the monitor is not

that's photoshop

[timid inlet]

you must be boomer... Today you say "Its AI" not "Its photoshop"...

[swift saddle]

I'm getting up there sadly

[unkempt belfry]

even in a world where we have AI I still like me some good ol' photoshopping

[timid inlet]

photoshop has AI in it, cannot avoid it

[unkempt belfry]

depends on what version you use

also things like photopea are a thing

just remember there were versions of photoshop before it became a subscription "cloud" model, and they still work today

[sand hull]

Is it just me or are zombie spawns cooked?

[timid inlet]

meaning?

[sand hull]

They're basically nonexistent even on high

[timid inlet]

must have some cooked mod because I have no such issue

[sand hull]

No mods on my end

Must be zombies migration or something, or a bug with my save in particular.

[unkempt belfry]

is this in MP or SP?

is the save from pre-42.13.2? and have you tried a fresh world to see if it is still happening?

[sand hull]

Dedicated server

13.1

I haven't moved to the new build as it won't update properly (displays 0x6 error or fails outright)

Though I haven't seen anything in the new patch about zombie spawns, I did set the population from normal to high at one point, so that might be what broke it.

[swift saddle]

How many people were on your server when you were having issues?

[trail crown]

I... think it started when the 3rd person joined

He also had connection issues in general, like lags etc.

[unkempt belfry]

in theory that should only affect cells that have not been loaded previously

[urban lily]

Sounds like what someone using the word slither as a code for snakes next patch would say 😇

[worldly mist]

I think i've found the most uncommon scene in all zomboid

Zombieland plonkies truck beside a mailbox tree

[rancid bay]

the prophecies were true

[west terrace]

How many plonki3?!

[ashen tangle]

finding snacks from wrecked vehicles is a nice thing.

[worldly mist]

This is a special spawn where the zombie looks like woodie Harelsons. Character haha

[small sonnet]

!bugreport

[lusty scroll]

Your report on Discord might end up being lost to the void. Please report bugs on our forums or Steam:

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/6/

Please be sure to follow our Bug Reporting Guide to ensure the team receive all necessary information to investigate your issue. https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/43261-bug-reporting-guide-updated-05082025/

[worldly mist]

Does food variety actually matter? I just saw this tool tip

[teal flare]

I mean, if you eat only fresh butter for the rest of your life you will get weight
and if you only eat like, lettuce, you will prob lose weight

besides that not much in like protein and fat and whatever fancy food stuff therms

[ashen tangle]

imagine if malnutrition had more challenges like scurvy, beri beri , anemia .

[clever sandal]

are any vehicle mods stable yet for this version?

also have basements been added to Louisville yet?

[spare gate]

upvoting lmao my two most annoyances

[crisp helm]

do I put it on unstable or 42.13.1

[teal flare]

Unstable is the current one

[ornate apex]

We are now back on the unstable branch for the latest build. A bit confusing considering the past couple of updates had their own build

[umbral nest]

Is it normal we don't have odors moodle in MP ? Can't remember if it was talked about or not

[unkempt belfry]

I noticed this as well in 42.13.1

[unkempt belfry]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/89013-42130-corpse-sicknesssmell-not-working/#comment-450765

looks like it was reported in 42.13.0

[ancient horizon]

Wow I thought it was a feature

Hi, I couldn’t find it in the patch notes so I’ll ask here. Have the bugs with disappearing magazines and not being able to finish interactions such as eating or dropping items been fixed?

[umbral nest]

Thank you. I was wondering . I beleive it has to be something related to syncing issue

[unkempt belfry]

No problem! ❤️ - personally I figured it was broken so they disabled it, kinda like the endurance moodle regening when you sit

[frank apex]

Did the devs fix the bug of missing melee hits in their internal branch? If not Found a mod that does that and maybe it can help themto find a cause. Discription of mod: "occurred because hitcone modifications were not always persistent. When this happened, the corrected attack angle values were lost, making zombies appear “immune” or out of the weapon’s reach."

[timid hull]

If you are talking about FixMeleeHitbox Fix it doesn't fix the issue.

[frank apex]

nmw then.goodluck

[worldly mist]

@swift saddle typo in this tooltip

[swift saddle]

Team is already aware, thanks though.

[worldly mist]

Cool! For future reference, whats the best place to point out something minor like that? bug report still?

[swift saddle]

yup, like this: https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/90619-42131-typogrammatical-error-in-loading-screen-tip/

[worldly mist]

Guess I could have searched for 'typo' lol my bad

[swift saddle]

lol it's fine. There are multiple avenues for bug reports, impossible to be on top of them all. Better to have duplicate reports than no reports

[worldly mist]

I really like these tooltips though! I have 1500 hours and still didn't know I crouch ran faster and less noticeably beside walls hah

[swift saddle]

Yeah those are Pat and RJ's doing for the most part. Definitely a nice addition

[teal flare]

By the way sully, do you know if we will ever get images on the background of loading the world again?
Or at least have it defined as an image like the main menu is so we can replace it through mods?

[swift saddle]

I’m not aware of plans to. Obviously low priority, and given the issues last time I imagine nobody will be eager to suggest it lol

[fringe river]

I'm sure it's known already but rabbits and rats destroying cars when running them over, is there any fix for it currently or is it still being worked on?

[swift saddle]

That’s something we are still working on.

[fringe river]

alrighty thanks I just wasn't 100% sure!

[civic spoke]

Which mod is this, so we can add a disclaimer from Miami Police?

[frank apex]

Not sure if it's allowed to post mod posts but here https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3650882276&searchtext=fix+hit and apparently it doesn't fix the issue completely, it's written in comments

[teal flare]

lol fair enough, thanks for the answer
really sad, it had a lot of potential for stuff like server-guides and rules and such when entering a server

[civic spoke]

Good. We need to bring awareness that some mods don't work when it comes to workarounds.

[half orchid]

all that teasing is mean sully, people are gonna loose it, lol

[swift saddle]

Wait, I was teasing?

[civic spoke]

Apparently, your cryptic messages gave everyone the impression you're just a tsundere.

[swift saddle]

Oh please… a tsundere? It’s not like I like you guys or anything

[civic spoke]

[teal flare]

sully should drop a word a day to from a phrase from the patchnotes of the next update

just at random in the middle of this talks

[half orchid]

i have just read up on the last few days

[half orchid]

an update ARG

that would actually be quite funny

[swift saddle]

Fixed

[half orchid]

yeah okay we walked into that one

[west terrace]

the great slithering

[scarlet jewel]

wait admins leaked the MP update??? when is it guys..?

[civic spoke]

A few days ago.

[west terrace]

you gotta break the code lol

[teal flare]

mp out???

[half orchid]

next year

[umbral nest]

Oh you do? That's a first...😂 (Jk pls don't ban me)

I thought you were the asian dad that constantly dissapointed in us

[west terrace]

lol

flip flop ready

[swift saddle]

No, I'm the foster parent losing their mind that you all can't get along without murdering one another or getting into trouble, but I can't just throw you out of the house because if I do then the cheques stop

[west terrace]

LOL

[half orchid]

i mean... a lil murdering is fine, right?

i promise its the desync

[west terrace]

hahaha

[lost niche]

I simply eat the other children

So I can grow up big and strong

[finite onyx]

Seems like 10 years later mod got removed (which I wasn't a huge fan of anyway mainly because how vines looked on walls) so from now on I'm coming back to the post about a separate map settled somewhere in the middle of the apocalypse

Day 1 of waiting for "Many years later" map update
https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/18nxnwa/a_new_many_years_later_challenge_map_will_be/

[west terrace]

i cant wait for that , i wanna see crust!!

[swift saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-crust-wheres-the-pizza-crust-ta-da-its-gone-gif-14796924

[west terrace]

so were getting crustless pizza?!

[swift saddle]

ewww no, we're not monsters

[west terrace]

hahah

[civic spoke]

I felt like there is a name for those kinds of pizzas. Tavern-style pizzas?

[west terrace]

surface pizza lol

[teal flare]

pizzaless pizza

[west terrace]

lol boneless pizza

[unkempt belfry]

Isn't the crust the bone? 🤔

[west terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-man-no-man-no-gif-7347715096894588969

[swift saddle]

the crust is the skin that keeps all the gooey filling from spilling everywhere and making a mess

[west terrace]

the cheese is the skin

the crust is the cartilage lol

[swift saddle]

nah the cheese is the delicious fat

crust is definitely the skin... just look at a turnover/calzone

[west terrace]

OO CALAZONE

thats a pocket of glorious snack

[swift saddle]

Ponzos are better... they are basically calzones but deep fried

[west terrace]

a boat!

that looks better than calazon just cause of the sunken top to cut into and eat out from

[swift saddle]

absolutely delicious

[west terrace]

ok what the hell , ill trade american shit pockets for that

[swift saddle]

east coast Canadians know their pizza

[bold river]

You awakened the Italian

[west terrace]

lmao

[swift saddle]

okay... time to generate an HR complaint. .... ... ... ... italian pizza sucks

[dire brook]

In italy is called calzone fritto, fried calzone, is typically from Naples u should go and try u will never been back from it.

[west terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorn-eat-eating-watching-entertained-gif-4744683

[west terrace]

LOL

if my grandma was a bike

tim eto go to italy for prizza

[sick nacelle]

Pineapple and blue cheese pizza is the GOAT

[west terrace]

i tried pickles on pizza a month ago lol

it was like some white sauce pizza , it wasnt bad

[bold river]

God has left this chat

[west terrace]

hahaha

https://tenor.com/view/dragging-lilo-stitch-gif-7855789

[sick nacelle]

At least it isnt a Swedish style chocolate and peach pizza

[west terrace]

excuse me lol

[dire brook]

As half italian and half irish I will not trigger from those variations, in ireland i saw the breakfast pizza so Hawaii pizza is just a standard now....

[bold river]

Every time I reveal my nationality feels like

[swift saddle]

lmao

[west terrace]

lol

[unkempt belfry]

a few years back I was making pizzas and I messed one up and turned it into a calzone

[half orchid]

I'll add "frozen hawaii pizza" to my foods mod thats been in planning for a while now

[unkempt belfry]

I need to make more

[sick nacelle]

Found from finnish subreddit, ingredients are...garlic cream cheese on bottom, brie cheese, prosciutto ham, walnuts, pear and finnish meme Gröna Kulors, green marmelade balls only used on food to get banned from various online places for disgusting people and cursing their bloodline

[west terrace]

ohhhh okay thats a sweet prizza that sounds glorious!! i love brie so much

[sick nacelle]

You just got banned from entering Finland for life

[half orchid]

a german foods company made a chocolate pizza, and i am pretty sure its still being sold

[unkempt belfry]

[west terrace]

lol nuh uh

[half orchid]

things got enough calories that you have to count deserts again

[bold river]

Funnily enough Nutella pizza is actually a thing. The issue with Hawaiian pizza is not that it's sweet, it's that the ingredients fight each other

[west terrace]

nutella would be so rich!!

correction too lol

[bold river]

It's quite peak

[half orchid]

but i just did google, its been taken off shelves in 2019

[swift saddle]

wtf... ristorante makes chocolate pizza?

[west terrace]

ill try a tiny slice lol

[half orchid]

used to, lol between 2017-2019

[sick nacelle]

Never buying ristorante again

[half orchid]

Dr Oetker is cursed lol

[swift saddle]

I'd 100% eat it

wife said she doesn't know how she feels about it lol

[west terrace]

lol

[unkempt belfry]

I am not a cream cheese fan, but I would try it

[bold river]

That looks really worthy of the frozen pizza tag. This is what an actual chocolate pizza should look like https://www.tavolartegusto.it/wp/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/pizza-alla-nutella.jpg

[west terrace]

ok that looks good lol

[west terrace]

that makes sense, that would be good if it was a sweet prizza dough

[half orchid]

apparently thats from last year, as celebration for 40 years ristorante

god i love this company

[swift saddle]

tiramisu pizza I think would be meh

[west terrace]

tiramisu is one of my fav dessserts lol only had american store bought

[sick nacelle]

Pineapple pizza bad, nutella and chocolate pizza good. Boycott TIS

[west terrace]

pineapple prizza is decent lol

[half orchid]

i think it was thin crust

somewhat softer than a german cracker, more like a crispy bread if that makes sense?

but i never had it, my curve would not allow that much sugar in a day lol

[bold river]

Tiramisù Is the best dessert ever, but it's a bit a bit tricky to do properly and without mascarpone it's not the same

[west terrace]

[sick nacelle]

Misake should spaghetti be snapped in half to fit it

[unkempt belfry]

all this chocolate pizza talk reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_hWqXm_f80

[west terrace]

NO LOL

[half orchid]

a family friend used to make one topped with 90% chocolate powder

its an aquired taste but man the difference between dark chocolate and sweet mascarpone was heavenly

[bold river]

you don't need to, as you can just gently push them in the pot, but i'm not that religious and sometimes cba and still snap them

[sick nacelle]

Thanks you settled a marital argument

[bold river]

still, with good tiramisù sauce this christmas i made this based on pandoro and the cream you make with eggs and mascarpone
https://lafavolasenzaglutine.it/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/4.Stelle-di-pandoro-con-crema-al-mascarpone-copia.jpg

[unkempt belfry]

not chocolate pizza, but I made chocolate peanutbutter ice cream with reese's on top the other day and it was excellent

[half orchid]

i had reeses once, it was weird

[swift saddle]

I want

[sick nacelle]

Next patch

[bold river]

it is still quite illegal for most italians, but to me food is not much a religion, it's more than it's sad that such a vast part of the world is completely blissfully unaware to lack any sense of flavour combination

[unkempt belfry]

next time you come back to Canada, I'll hook you up 🫡 - without the reese's it is like 240 calories

for the pint

[sick nacelle]

Finland never forgives Berlusconi for what he said about our cuisine so we made Pizza Berlusconi that won some pizza awards

[bold river]

i lack the context but i approve the passive aggressive recipe

[unkempt belfry]

it really is wild, been to 23 different countries, and a lot of them have very bland food - but when they do know how to control flavours it is excellent

[bold river]

indeed, it's not even about making fancy stuff, it's all about fresh ingredients and combining them well

[unkempt belfry]

totally!

some of my favourite dishes from some of those places were actually quite basic when you break them down

[sick nacelle]

Was something about EU food related "ministry" being relocated to Finland but Italy stole it and Berlusconi while visiting Finland insulted our food so we made the famous smoked reindeer-red onion-chanterelle rye pizza to give a political reprisal

[west terrace]

i loved eu food, american food here hurt my stomach a lot but when i went to europe i had no stomach issues lol

[swift saddle]

I think the big thing Europe does well is the portion sizes. American portions are massive because it's all about getting your money's worth

[west terrace]

yeah i hate how big they are here

[unkempt belfry]

trueeee

[sick nacelle]

While paying excessive tips and gratuities warping the actual price

[swift saddle]

yeah... fuck tipping culture

[bold river]

i hear many many horror stories about the us food culture but honestly i don't believe second hand experience, for all i know it might be nice

[swift saddle]

I remember I took my British wife to a Burger King in America when we were visiting friends and she was shocked at the sizes

[unkempt belfry]

uh spoiler ||it's not - just large, and full of high fructose corn syrup and palm oil in everything||

[west terrace]

yea lol theres a place her ethat has bbq brisket burgers and i have to only eat half cause its so much protein its so filling

[west terrace]

hahaha red dye 50 snack

[sick nacelle]

Maybe american coca cola and pepsi tastes better than the swill I get in here these days??

[swift saddle]

well American food does taste good... because it's engineered to be addictive

and boy howdy is it

thanks spiffo bot

[west terrace]

europe french fries are better than america

[swift saddle]

disagree

[sick nacelle]

Also I miss the times when plastic bottles were thick enough to kill a man, now they bend over their own weight

[west terrace]

YES THEY ARE lol

[west terrace]

hahaha

[unkempt belfry]

mmm microplastics

[west terrace]

i was so perplexed by how water bottles have caps that are attached

[swift saddle]

and they are annoying as hell lol

but I get why

[west terrace]

lol thats what someone said when i was like this is cool

[swift saddle]

the big problem is that a lot of manufacturers haven't changed their designs so their caps just suck.

[sick nacelle]

I already have micro hay in me systems, thanks bunnies

[swift saddle]

they just stopped cutting htem all the way

[unkempt belfry]

purrfect, the micros can have a part-hay

[sick nacelle]

I heard americans get milk in thick plastic jugs not cartons

[unkempt belfry]

[swift saddle]

UK does too

[little solstice]

What's your take on Chicago Deep Dish?

[unkempt belfry]

you can get american milk in plastic jugs or cartons depending on the size

[sick nacelle]

Why does PZ use milk cartons then

[unkempt belfry]

here in canada too (we also have milk in bags)

[swift saddle]

1993

[sick nacelle]

1993 and americans swapped for a worse system later?

Accurate game

[swift saddle]

milk cartons were the main way in the 90s yeah

that's why the missing kids on milk cartons thing is a thing

[west terrace]

wait we have milk cartons

[teal flare]

ya know what pizza is really good thouhg, sushi pizza

[unkempt belfry]

like this

you could get this size in '93

[sick nacelle]

Oohhh yeah Sully the whole Amber alert thing on milk

[west terrace]

never heard of that how is it look like

[bold river]

as a pizza it looks like all things evil combined, but i guess it's different enough to be considered its own thing, it looks more like a pie

[teal flare]

sushi pizza mmhmm

[west terrace]

nm lol , that looks good lol

[unkempt belfry]

tbh I would try this

[teal flare]

it is very good

I reccomend

[sick nacelle]

Been eating too healthy food past days, cant wait to get home and go for the bad stuff

[unkempt belfry]

[dire brook]

the only real shock to me when in ireland i had to make my first "irish breakfast pizza" i refused to prepare it

[unkempt belfry]

👀

[bold elm]

What about deep fried pizza?

[bold river]

you mean something like this?
https://media-assets.lacucinaitaliana.it/photos/61fbd9f602c559c2ce51b318/16:9/w_2560%2Cc_limit/pizza-fritta-napoletana-800.jpg

[west terrace]

what is that lol

[bold elm]

Deep fried pizza

[west terrace]

looks like a deep fried mac n cheeeser

[bold river]

wait, it's actually a full pizza, cooked and then dipped in the fryier? 😂

[bold elm]

Full pizza, drenched in batter, then deep fried

[bold river]

https://tenor.com/view/news-are-you-serious-laugh-laughing-hysterically-jk-simmons-gif-17550286

[bold elm]

Scots do love to deep fry stuff. Even mars bars 👀

[bold river]

frying stuff is pretty good, but even there you can have proper balance

https://www.ilgiornaledelcibo.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/fiori-di-zucca-fritti.jpg

like this, courgette flower fried

[west terrace]

yum!

[dire brook]

[half orchid]

i was about the recommend pierogies, but my windows sabotages me and hard crashed, fun times

[west terrace]

I have only had those from frozen sector, they were good i bet theyre 5000 times betters fresh

[dire brook]

they are amazing when they are just picked daily

[half orchid]

they are pretty easy to make and you can "dumb down" the recipe to a simpler filling if you dont want to go through all the trouble

[civic spoke]

I'm dumbing it all down to a simpler version.

Almost 2-bites-sized pizza.

[frank apex]

In America you get 4L of milk? you can feed the calf with that amount lol

[arctic wyvern]

do we know if the weight gain issue was resolved with this patch?

[civic ember]

Is there any way to claim a respawn zone as a safehouse?

[west terrace]

that looks yummers!

[latent citrus]

no, I must eat triangles

[west terrace]

lol

[latent citrus]

Chat, do you eat pizza slices:

• "Normally"
• Folded in half length-wise
• Folded in half wide-wise like a sailor hat
• Rolled up

@bold river if you're speaking for your entire nation I want your opinion too (and also to break the ice with a new red-name! 👋)

[west terrace]

pizaa triangles

lol

[latent citrus]

I think it depends heavily on the composition of the slice, but I'm a fold-along-long-axis, on average

[west terrace]

last time i ordered pizza i just tore off the topping and ate that and left the crust lol

[civic spoke]

Mine's 3D triangles! Ha!

[lost niche]

Folded in half length

[civic spoke]

I use chopsticks elegantly.

Keeps my hands clean from all those cheese and meat dripping oils.

[unkempt belfry]

all that pizza talk made me get stuff for pizza

[unkempt belfry]

fold length wise, ny style

(but I am not from ny)

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-chicago-deepdish-cheese-cheesy-gif-14445748

[unkempt belfry]

Ended up getting a take and bake

It's on the stone atm

[west terrace]

Yummers!

That looms delish

[worldly mist]

Jesus, apparantly if you jump through a window and there was a zombie you have a split second to actually push them when they lunge before they get you

ask me how I know lol my heart rate will tell you

[unkempt belfry]

[tidal dust]

Yeah ay the zombie lunge anim needs like, a wind-up period or some kind of interim anim, cause zeds just break straight into it even if they aint facing you. Only exception is when they havent seen you at all yet and have to play that turning around anim first, but in the described scenario that's never the case

[low grove]

Well, I updated with the old 42.13.1 save, and few users having issues 😉 chunk not loading, then stuck in car, can't move things around in inventory (and i have a handful of basic mods). I guess it's time to roll back 😄

[civic spoke]

After your game save is updated to 42.13.2, I don't think you can rollback the game save unless you have a backup somewhere.

[sage harbor]

This is in no way super important but I noted it. The Zomboid website IWBUMS area doesn't update automatically for unstable branch, so it is stuck on 42.13.1 (I don't know if this is because it is attached to the old branch that was set up specifically for 42.13.1 or if it is just not an auto-updating part of the website)

[unkempt belfry]

It is definitely manually updated, I noticed this when B42 originally released

[sage harbor]

Ah okay, was looking back at the dev team update blog and saw the number was off.

If TIS wants a new employee, I will gladly learn whatever coding language I need to update 1 number on a website and do that job

[low grove]

Oh i definnitely have backups 🙂

[tame raven]

Glad to see many of the bugs have been fixed. But I'm waiting 42.13.3 patch now. Lol

Something that modders can't fix. Such as hardcoded trunk issue.

[umbral nest]

Can we get Chocolate Pizza in Zomboid ? That's be peak

[half orchid]

probably not as part of vanilla, but it shouldnt be too hard to mod in lol

[umbral nest]

That's be dope 😂

[timid hull]

Misake wouldn't allow

[umbral nest]

Miami Police... More like... NO FUN POLICE :<

Omg, I am opening my PZ server with 10 of my friends, they warned their wives they won't be available. Just the boys ripping some Z

[timid hull]

he controls what I put in my lasagna and pasta too

[umbral nest]

Bruh...need help? I can swing by if you want to be freed

[timid hull]

He likes being hurt, it won't work :c I just lowkey add ketchup when he doesn't look

[umbral nest]

Is he Italian or what ? Getting offended by Ketchup on pasta is such an Italian thing to do 😂

[covert wren]

Last night when we were playing we went to loot Rosewood and pretty much every house or store was empty(no loot). Is that a new thing, a bug or it is a random thing? This is our 5th playthrough and we never enountered something like this

[swift saddle]

I knew you were a monster… but my god

[timid hull]

he is 😄

[half orchid]

sneak it into a commit

like the telecorn

[bold river]

Good idea, let's make it so it teleports you straight to prison

[half orchid]

man that would be hilarious

eating a snack and suddenly you stand in the prison, thats one way to find a new base

man I'm gonna have fun adding a chocolate pizza once the nutrition rebalance is through to be just absolutely too much for a single person to eat

[slim coyote]

🥵

[elder gull]

is disappearing magazines still a thing in 42.13.2?

[west terrace]

I wanna get telecorned!

[raven egret]

thats a damn myth and you know it

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/its-real-matty-matheson-fearless-flavors-boiled-dinner-not-fake-legit-gif-26333616

I can confirm! I was once telecorned directly into the exact same spot I was already standing in

[civic spoke]

Y'all are harsh with each other with pizzas toppings.

Instead of ketchup, you should all give soy sauce or oyster sauce a try.

Japanese variant of the tonkatsu scallion pizza, leaning towards the savory / salty side.

[half orchid]

i dont like that

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/me-when-i-get-you-gif-1834222127792525549

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/power-rangers-blue-ranger-mighty-morphin-mighty-morphin-power-rangers-mmpr-gif-20856007

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/dramatical-murder-dramatical-murder-anime-you-died-gif-9992703165651611699

[light knot]

Is anyone on dedicated servers having cars go poof with the most recent hot-fix? This was on a server that didn’t wipe with the 42.13.2 update. I’ve also noticed the hit-box for melee based attacks seems to be missing quite often + no more audio when leveling up a skill?

[swift saddle]

eyyyyyyy, Spiffo arrived today

and my dog immediately tried stealing him

[misty iris]

just got my Spiffo and hoodie too 🤩 🤩

[misty iris]

wait we have italian dev in tis??? finally pizza recipe will be fixed, daje roma daje

[worldly mist]

My cat tried to kill him

What breed of dog do you have!

[swift saddle]

have 2 shibas

[sick nacelle]

Much amazing, so sully, oh wow

[raven egret]

when we get NPC's, make spiffo the main character or the the villain

[worldly mist]

Make there an NPS in a Spiffo outfit that follows you sometimes and appears just on the edge of the screen then darts away

[raven egret]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-senator-armstrong-gif-25280817

Final bossfight with spiffo be like

[civic spoke]

Wait why? I thought we all liked fried foods?

Particularly deep fried pork chops

[half orchid]

part of it is being german, schnitzel and all that being culture and imma be honest, just way too much meat for a pizza

i generally prefer my pizza "light", let the cheese do the curve adjustment, yknow?

[civic spoke]

Ah, I forgot that in various parts of the regions on Earth, some people are known to be lactose-intolerant by their DNA, so they can't eat a lot of cheese.

[half orchid]

i can generally eat cheese fine, but i also dont have a gallbladder anymore and the assorted issues with fat coming with it, so deep fried stuff is generally not a good idea

makes you appreciate airfryers even more

[civic spoke]

Ahhh, that's also something I didn't consider.

[umbral nest]

I knew it 😂😂

[vital umbra]

With that chicken cutlet... yeah im in.

[west terrace]

lmao

[west terrace]

theyre called chicken chests

spiffo said so lol

[timid hull]

chicken breast ❌
chicken chest ✅

[latent citrus]

chicken beast

[ashen tangle]

Chickens

https://tenor.com/view/a-funny-chicken-thing-gif-8621527888689415873

[sick nacelle]

Cock-a-doodle doo

[west terrace]

Lmao

I always name my animal zones that aftwr you

[indigo fiber]

Xd this game have too much bugs U U the racks still dont work with temperature, and general temperature is bug in mp

[west terrace]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/136501320340209664/1453118883920740362/gifgit.gif

Id just use adminand spawn the item in until fixed

[timid hull]

Yana or chicken chest lol

[civic spoke]

Laurel?

Is that you?

[timid hull]

What

[little solstice]

That viral thing where people either heard “Yani” or “Laurel”

Another good example of an Audio Illusion is the "Green Needle" / "Brainstorm" toy
https://youtu.be/5pRY3wlKwm8

[west terrace]

lol chicken chest you dingus

[west terrace]

LOL

[nimble quiver]

fried aubergine slices.

[timid hull]

Ah

[little solstice]

Which do you hear in that video? I can hear either depending which I’m thinking of

[west terrace]

green bean

[nimble quiver]

uranium fever 🫀

[lost niche]

Oh yeah those got delivered

But sadly at parents house

[timid hull]

Yanirel

[west terrace]

no fair i want my hoodie!

[worldly mist]

Same

[unkempt belfry]

I like the alien version

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-at-the-ghetto-cat-meme-dog-meme-alien-gif-670934913724370864

[west terrace]

lol

[ornate apex]

Is the new patch better for mp desync or worse

[dire brook]

lads sorry to bother, is anyone know the name of a mod who was introducing the rising of boredom when eating the same food over again?

[vital umbra]

13.2? Definitely worse.

But still playable.

[ornate apex]

How did it get worse lol

Me and a buddy trying again on this hotfix

Seems decent so far

[vital umbra]

Some ways better, some ways worse. But its possible its mods causing th desyncs i suppose. Idk. Like I said, its playable, and if its just two people you'll probably be fine.

[ornate apex]

Yeah combat seems a little better

[civic spoke]

Are the developers aware of PrivateLime's Ironman Challenge using Primitive Technology in Project Zomboid Build 42?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzM-EsuigaM&list=PLpqg8xX2BI8WZ-JUI8wYyoutYuJVNenKY&index=9

I would love to hear the devs' thoughts on the crafting and building system, see what needs to be improved, see whether the systems are doing their jobs the intended ways, and any overall thoughts on this.

I actually look forward to seeing this challenge run go all the way to the end as far as possible, mainly because I'm interested in seeing how far we can push the crafting and building systems and the recipes.

I understand the devs did mention they do not want to touch evolving recipes, which is fine with me.

As far as I can tell, this is probably the most extensive pound-for-pound pushing the boundaries of what Build 42 has to offer, outside of Retanaru's Build 42 Stone to Metal video guide.

Also, any comments about this playlist is welcomed. I hoped it offers some constructive playtesting feedback to the devs.

[raw nest]

Did they fix the trailer bug

[little solstice]

Yeah, slated for the next update

[unkempt belfry]

😮

[teal flare]

Did they fixed the next update?

[sage harbor]

I'm only halfway through the series, loving it as well, and the only big issues he has gotten to has been:

1. No primitive ranged hunting gear right now so he has a crossbow mod, but we know devs will eventually add bows and maybe other stuff like throwing of more times (could lead to things like slingshots?).
2. No nails/nail replacement in wild play right now, so he has to go disassemble furniture in urban areas, but again, that might get addressed in the form of a nails substitute.
3. Some skills take a while to get higher early on, but they said a skills/professions/affinities/proficiencies rework will happen.
4. He uses a mod for spawning in a primitive part of the map, but not too far away from civilization (due to aforementioned nail issue), but we know the devs are planning on adding a wild only map with maybe some ruins and natural iron deposit generation, and a (???) years later map.
   Sorry for yap, just thought I would give my 2 cents.

Obviously anyone who has watched further can add any issues he encounters, but I would assume almost all of them are ones the devs are aware of, and are slatted for additions/changes.

[sage harbor]

Obviously this is subject to change but if anyone missed this, Lemmy (lead dev) said this in B42 unstable announcement in response to someone voicing concerns about too many skills.

BTW this was in no way to shoot you down asperatology, just thought I would add what I remember from the pre-B42 -> 1st week of B42 unstable history

[civic spoke]

Yeah, I agreed that we need mods in order to make things happen for convenience (such as spawning in an isolated wilderness area, crossbows), but at least PrivateLime is trying to stick to vanilla gameplay as much as possible without the tediousness for some things. Nails for one, as he goes through flooring to scavenge for nails.

And yeah, I would really love to hear thoughts from the devs.

[sage harbor]

I think it is a good sign that nails is the only one that they haven't explicitly talked about (I think???) because of all the issues it is probably the smallest in terms of adjustment to mechanics if they want a temporary solution until the maps come along

[civic spoke]

Wait until the next update becomes current update.

[civic spoke]

If I recalled, the recipe for nails is a high-tiered blacksmithing craftable item recipe.

So what AmazingSully said 13 days ago mattered more.

Unrelated, it's already 13 days since 42.13.2 came out???

[sage harbor]

Well, I mean we must always take Sully at face value so TIS doesn't get another 'wait for b42' situation where a small but vocal portion of the community (who feel entitled) decides the devs are lazy and harasses them for not getting worked to death every day. If he says they agree but no ETAs, it could be next year, and thats that.

🤷‍♂️

[civic spoke]

Ignore those entitled players. TIS does stuffs on their own pace, so it's fine.

[sage harbor]

I try to, but the paragraph I just deleted clearly says I need to try harder sometimes 😔

[sage harbor]

Speaking of, Sully did let his guard down a little, but luckily not really anyone noticed, otherwise there would 100% be posts on the forum and reddit about how the devs aren't clear, etc, forgetting why they stopped communicating so much.

Personally, I love how Hytale's communication is right now, being clear and using the devs as official communication channels, but I can 100% understand why TIS can't do that approach until after 1.0 because of how small parts of the community currently treats them because of early access.

[fossil pecan]

Hytale doesn't have much content yet, so it's kinda expected that they lay out what's next

[sage harbor]

I agree, but I mean Zomboid still has tons of avenues it could go in terms of how NPCs and players act, how the skills and professions rework will go, if they will still be doing more niche features like car armoring, etc. But I understand why they don't want to go to crazy on those because it can: 1. Make developers lose dev time trying to explain things (which is why the thursdoids stopped) and 2. will just have community backlash if they don't like the implementation, without playing with it first (which I can imagine is incredibly demotivating for the devs)

[west terrace]

Its pretty exhausting trying to interact with the community on different platforms, small minority or not, those people are very dissapointing and never happy

Tis coud give a blog, documentary, diagram with pictures they still wouldnt be satisfied , its weird

[sage harbor]

Entitlement manifested

[sage harbor]

Would love once a week or month a mspaint picture tl:dr of what the main features being done are in that past week or month

[latent citrus]

I find it hilarious/depressing thay TIS went from "oh we will patch b41 regularly and put out Thursdoids to keep everyone abreast of our progress" to which the community rage and complained
Then they switched modes to "okay we'll keep updating you regularly, but hold off on updates until we're ready for a big, major version update" to which people frothed at the mouth and complained for lack of updates
Then TIS switched MOs "okay no more Thursdoids, we're just gonna give you guys tons of new stuff pretty regularly, with b42 unstable updates" to which the community broke down and demanded that they stop adding a bunch of small stuff and only focus on major, needed features

I know that like, its different people complaining each time and not a monolith, but still. Its infuriating for me to see even as just an onlooker/TIS glazer/PZ enjoyer; I can't imagine having to actually interface with this game's community at a professional level

[sage harbor]

Worse part is they are definetly doing big features, they even said that they have big splits in what each team member does, but if they gave them to us with 2 weeks of dev into them, everyone would complain that they are releasing crap updates

[unkempt belfry]

Just like everything in the world, everyone wants something different

and wants to do things a different way

[sage harbor]

The problem is some people can't accept that the devs will do it their way, and are so angry that they will go to the lengths of harrassment just to get their way, instead of just learning to deal with it.

To reiterate, these are people who have nothing better to do in life than that, and are a small, small, minor part of the community, but they are most certainly some of the loudest because they go for straight personal attacks.

[sick nacelle]

PZ should always be PZ, the Holy Vision is the only path

[unkempt belfry]

Should have seen before B41 went to stable branch, it got really really bad - there used to be a subreddit that tried to convince people that PZ was scam and that 41 was never coming out (even though it was on the IWBUMS branch now known as the unstable branch) and that they were just taking people's money. They did some pretty nasty things. Once B41 went live the sub was shutdown

unfortunately that isn't really that uncommon in the world of gaming, I have seen it a number of times over the years - hell we see it every day if you open up a mod's page that has comments enabled, and modders aren't even getting paid (not that that makes it at all acceptable)

[sage harbor]

When did Pz b41 go to stable again? I bought the game December 2021

[unkempt belfry]

no one should have to put up with abuse

[unkempt belfry]

december 2022

wait wait

2021 was first release onto stable, 22 was last release of 41

[sage harbor]

Makes sense, I was gonna say I don't remember having to opt in for IWUMBUS

[unkempt belfry]

am sleepy

[sage harbor]

RIP 10 years later 😔 But at least the official map is coming

[unkempt belfry]

they released MP onto IWBUMS for like a week or so, and then pulled the trigger

getting everyone to opt in was such a nightmare

[unkempt belfry]

yea, I hope that the modder is doing well 🙁

[sage harbor]

Still can't believe b42 release 1 year ago, where does time go....

[sage harbor]

Hope so as well. Honestly, once the official map comes out I think that most people won't care about its removal and just play the map instead, but we shouldn't forget how much fun his work did bring to the game

[unkempt belfry]

right? pretty wild

[sick nacelle]

Now to wonder when b42 is ready...I never got that 4th nail before patch came

[unkempt belfry]

That really depends on if they allow MP on the map I think - because it is technically a challenge map sofar we haven't seen any of those on MP

and a lot of people want that 10 years later theme for MP

[sage harbor]

The hunt for nails in primitive is wild, I hope they come up with a primitive substitute

[unkempt belfry]

I am so stoked for that

[sick nacelle]

They will have to lol

[unkempt belfry]

The ever elusive nail 😔

one day you will find it

[sick nacelle]

Also no metal scissors but you cannot make clothes

[sage harbor]

True, but wasn't there mods to combat that? I know it should probably be a vanilla thing, but I also think they don't want to solidify the challenge maps until at least human npcs are out because they probably have plans for npcs to add to challenge maps

[unkempt belfry]

I believe in you

[unkempt belfry]

kind of, Last Stand is a good example - Chuck was able to get Last Stand Together working, but not long after B42 released SP onto unstable branch

and then Kingsmouth was ported over onto the main map, that was pretty early on

definitely possible, but I always keep my expectations low

[sage harbor]

I just personally feel that the challenge maps are something that makes more sense to expand on once there is most of the game complete and 1.0 is close to release. I know they said that some devs if they choose could stay on pz after 1.0 and continue the content stream, and new challenge maps could be one way to do that.

[unkempt belfry]

100% agree

hope they bring back some of the old ones

like Opening Hours, that one was dang good

[sage harbor]

Huh

[unkempt belfry]

Opening Hours was a challenge map where you spawned in Crossroads mall and had 20 in game minutes before a endless horde of zombies broke in

it was removed in B41

[sage harbor]

Oooh, maybe I do remember seeing videos about that

That or someone replicated it in b41

Sounds fun, but now imagine it with 7 other npc characters, and you have to coordinate how to last the longest

[unkempt belfry]

Peach did! https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2277467758

but it hasn't been updated since 2020

[unkempt belfry]

that is the dream 🙂

or MP would also be a lot of fun too

Last Stand Together is amazing, so I could see that one being really good in a similar way

[sage harbor]

I think a lot of challenge maps could be cool with npcs, especially with all the other features that could come before 1.0. The possiblities are endless

[unkempt belfry]

Well as long as all goes well, and plans haven't changed we should be starting to see initial NPCs in B43 - so that could be pretty exciting

but I am in no rush, better to get it right the first time

[sage harbor]

And... if they still have some seperation in the team then npcs should already have been started, but I don't know if they changed approach

[unkempt belfry]

Last I heard they were still doing the three dev groups (42, 43, and MP which is vertex break but I still count them)

[sage harbor]

Well they did get some of their devs with vertex to push out 42 MP so quickly

[unkempt belfry]

for sure

(Thank you Yuri 🙂 )

[sage harbor]

I do hope they have a seperate 43 group because it means they might have some spicy blogs coming once 42 is stable (no high expectations, but I can dream)

[sage harbor]

Uh, who's Yuri (apologies for my ignorance)

[unkempt belfry]

One of the devs, he is the guy behind the fire rework which keeps getting pushed back

he was working on it in 2020, then was moved over to MP team to help them, then was working on it in the downtime before B42 came out, and then moved back to MP team xD

[sage harbor]

Poor guy 😭 I trust his fire rework though, and if they add cool mechanical traps to the game I would love to play with fire 🔥

[unkempt belfry]

from the videos it seemed really cool, and fire is a mechanic that has basically not been touched since 2011/2012 so I was pretty stoked for it

[sage harbor]

Wait there are videos?

WHERE?

[unkempt belfry]

not sure if they are still up, let me look

they have a number of blog posts that had videos of it

[sage harbor]

PLEASE LINK 🙏

[unkempt belfry]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2020/06/conbustiblez/ I believe this was the initial talk of it

a few blog posts later there was a youtube video but it appears to have been removed sadly

To my knowledge this was the last mention of it https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/01/my-zeds-is-on-fire/

again there was a youtube video but it was removed

I can't seem to find any active videos of it anymore sadly 🙁

but here is Aidanomic's video on it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq2D6uNaMUA

alright, I must become horizontal

take care all ❤️

[sage harbor]

Sleep well ❤️

Don't let Spiffo catch you

[unkempt belfry]

hahaha

[swift saddle]

wait... what did I say 13 days ago?

[sage harbor]

^The second image

Wait no, both

[swift saddle]

well you guys were speculating and I was considering saying something, but every time I would type I'd be like "oh that's too much"

[sage harbor]

Wait no sorry again

That one

[sage harbor]

You must know how that sounds. Next update B43 confirmed

[swift saddle]

no, like you guys were speculating about specific features coming, if I were to confirm or deny any then that would be too much information

[sage harbor]

Maybe you should just say what is coming Spill the tea Let us in on the dev gossip

No obviously kidding, but if you ever get the green light to share more, please take full advantage (don't think about the consequences)

[swift saddle]

I think the big concern is I say something is slated, it gets pushed back because of unexpected issues, and then everyone is upset. Time and time again we have fallen into that trap

[sage harbor]

Fair enough. I have no coding/dev experience, but I can imagine that even a day before a feature drops could have you finding a massive bug that pushes it back. The only way you could be safe about it is if the update was going to be pushed within the hour or something

[civic ember]

does anyone know if metal barrels can be used for rain collection?

[unkempt belfry]

They can, if they're open top ones

[civic ember]

they are indeed

but it doesnt let me interact with them

like, i picked themn up but no option to put water inside

[unkempt belfry]

oh you can't do it while carrying them

[civic ember]

no no, once put on the ground

[unkempt belfry]

not sure, worked for me last time I had a barrel onhand, I'd have to go find one to test it

[civic ember]

the strange thing is i picked one with water and it still has it lol

[civic ember]

-be me -hit a rat with your car -hood gets downed 48% -noice

@swift saddle wasnt this bug patched?

[swift saddle]

I don't recall that in the patch notes. I know there is currently an open bug that is being looked into about animals not taking damage when hit by a vehicle, which I would think would make this issue worse, and also a general rebalancing around the damage vehicles take when hitting animals that is still in the works, but I don't think I've seen anything saying it was resolved at any point

[civic ember]

then i think it was the mandela effect doing its work, thx for answering

[west terrace]

Thatd be amazing lmao

[teal flare]

Speaking of news updates, Sully, do you know if there are any plans this year to return with the thursdoids?
I remember that they were put down due to the team focusing on MP, but now that this is out of the way I wonder if they plan on returning with it? Monthly or bi-weekly or every 4 months or whatever?

[swift saddle]

We need to discuss internally how and when, but the plan is for them to return, yes.

[teal flare]

Awesome! Thanks for the anwser

[west terrace]

In ms paint!!

[swift saddle]

I literally did an MS Paint drawing thinking it would be so bad you guys would have no clue... showed it to my wife and she had no clue... but I have a feeling you guys would pick up on it right away lol

[west terrace]

SULLY PLS LOL

Ok well we wanna see after then the update lol

[swift saddle]

lol okay

[teal flare]

Blu-ray it and send it here lol

[west terrace]

Hahahh

[teal flare]

Blur*

[swift saddle]

can't that be undone though?

[plucky trout]

How do I load unstable onto my server

[teal flare]

Maybe? I mean there might be some tools out there but since Its a paint drawing without much details it might be hard to identify it
Idk much though yeah

[swift saddle]

lmao

perfect

[west terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-avengers-assemble-gif-22306281

So a 1920a royal royce car

Or fry pkate

[teal flare]

Lmao Holy blur

I know what it is though

New particles for the parkour system

These are the dust particles when you jump around for sure

[worldly mist]

I unblurred it!

[sage rain]

Steps in the snow

[teal flare]

ooooh dam never thought of that but would be dope if steps actually showed in the snow, in the mud when it's raining etc etc

also really nice for hunting animals

[lost niche]

what is that MS paint image? Looks like an axolotl

[west terrace]

lol yay , were getting slithering axolotlls?!

[teal flare]

B42 CONFIRMED: THE BEE UPDATE

[west terrace]

lol

[worldly mist]

Reddit is busy complaining about the time since the last stable release rn

I feel like that was predictable though. People bitched and complained for months about MP not being released even though all of the features weren't out yet. Now they are complaining that the game isn't stable lol.

[west terrace]

lol are they ?

I never go there

It is crazy how different reddit and steam forums are compared to here on discord

[swift saddle]

Different motivations for being part of the group

[west terrace]

[swift saddle]

Steam people go to complain. Reddit people have the feed pushed to them via algorithm (and surprise surprise conflict gets pushed harder), and here people come to be part of a community

[unkempt belfry]

It's also crazy different between channels on the discord too

[west terrace]

oh yeah i always forget the reddit pushy thing lol

[lost niche]

But I come here to complain

[west terrace]

LOL , the ever battle of gen chat and pz chat its like two baseball teams

[unkempt belfry]

Good morning/afternoon/evening

[unkempt belfry]

Exactly!! 🤣

[swift saddle]

I never go to pz chat so I wouldn't know... but gen chat seems chill

[west terrace]

sometimes lol

[swift saddle]

just the right level of deranged

[lost niche]

Degen chat

[unkempt belfry]

Haha 😆

[west terrace]

ya lol

pz chat still better lololol

[worldly mist]

I like this chat 🙂

[unkempt belfry]

The only time I go into gen chat is the rare occasion I check the xp on my level

[west terrace]

yah same, this my favorite channel in the discord

[unkempt belfry]

Me too, so chill here

[lost niche]

This chat is the only place I can say something without it instantly disappearing

[unkempt belfry]

Same, I used to spend a lot of time in the PZ chat channel but it moves quickly and things get buried easily

[worldly mist]

I’m Commander Shepard, and this is my favourite channel on the citadel

[west terrace]

yeah lol, theres time i just mute everything but this one cause its slower

[unkempt belfry]

Ohhh yea we have new emotes I keep forgetting

[west terrace]

[swift saddle]

[west terrace]

wheres the new penisham emote

[unkempt belfry]

[swift saddle]

get to work on it

[west terrace]

[west terrace]

ok lol

[spiral oak]

[lost niche]

[worldly mist]

[west terrace]

thats penis ham guys lol

12 months later ham

[swift saddle]

......

[lost niche]

lol

[west terrace]

i dont know how to draw it perspective like lmao

[lost niche]

are those googly eyes?

[west terrace]

yah

[amber oar]

Love your pink slurry

It should be added as an easter egg

[west terrace]

lol pink slurry

[amber oar]

Can I make it my profile picture?

[west terrace]

sure lol

[unkempt belfry]

LOL Puppers

you kill me sometimes

[west terrace]

you guys motivate me !

[amber oar]

Love it so far

[west terrace]

LOLLLLLLL

im dying lol

[dire brook]

ehy lads sorry, but anyone is having troubles with the animal trailer, i have stay in the first gear to trail it, if i go to the second gear slowly the car stop

[civic spoke]

You have the forums.

[lost niche]

The steam forums? Are you insane

[west terrace]

Turn based combat

[civic spoke]

Flame wars never end.

[lost niche]

Are these being officially added to b42 to replace the emoji moodles

[civic spoke]

Nope

[west terrace]

Lol

[civic spoke]

AmazingSully said no

[lost niche]

They should be

[civic spoke]

That was shutdown immediately after the new emotes were added here.

[lost niche]

Well maybe they should think about it if thats literally the first thing that comes up 🤷

[civic spoke]

Remember, we were supposed to get 4K resolution emotes of the Build 41 emotes for Build 42.

[lost niche]

Idk why they are so adamant to keep yhat crap

Yeah and they look like cheap emojis

[civic spoke]

Because, it is in the process of being replaced.

Just not a priority for Build 42 right now.

[west terrace]

wat , the new emojis we have arent final ones?

[lost niche]

Yeah where'd you hear that

[civic spoke]

I thought we are supposed to get 4K emotes? Or just super high resolution emotes in general?

Like the old art were pixelated.

And the new one was vector-based.

The zombification emote has distinctive white eyes

Over the old one.

[west terrace]

oh im not sure lol

[lost niche]

So why use pixel emojis then

[west terrace]

didnt they have to make the new emojis cause pixelated ones looked weird on higher resolutions

[lost niche]

Idk

Probably

Its just weird they still keep the pixel ones on the discord and even add new ones, when the attitude has been "we will be replacing the b42 ones with new ones, get over it"

[west terrace]

noo i like the old ones especially brain stem lol

[lost niche]

Okay tbf, some probably need replacing lmao

[west terrace]

lmao

[lost niche]

[west terrace]

that one and this one was hard for me to know what it was

[lost niche]

Bless the modders for stepping up

[worldly mist]

Make the penis ham a moodle

[sage harbor]

Literally, just woke up and out of curiousity I was like, "No say there would be another post complaining right?", and I go there and the top recent post is complaining . Do these people know that other games exist and that they could, instead of complaining, just play those games instead? Or just play zomboid more?

[glad lintel]

With 42.13.2 I am no longer getting the "skill level achieved" sound. But I don't know if this is a vanilla 42.13.2 thing, or some artifact of the few mods the server has. Is anyone running 42.13.2 on a dedicated host and still getting the "skill level achieved" sound? (I'm trying to determine if I should report this as a bug, but I don't want to make a bug report if it is a mod problem).

[sage harbor]

I think they may have already patched that for the next update, but Sully or Harbor could confirm

[sage harbor]

What about PZ forum people? How do you see them act? I would imagine they would be some of the better people as they have to make an account just to interact in that specific forum, but you would probably know best.

[unkempt belfry]

so far every time I have seen this brought up the person has either had an old save, and or mods or both

[sage harbor]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/90989-42132-skill-increase-sound-no-longer-plays/#comment-456443 Are you in multiplayer?

[umbral nest]

Hello guys ! How are you ? 🙂

I have a question regarding a setting. This line here:

Whether nearby "living" zombies have the same impact on the player's health and emotions.
ZombieHealthImpact = false,

What does it actually do ?

[sage harbor]

I think that it means that if you are nearby to zombies, even ones that aren't dead, you can still get corpse sickness lick effects, or maybe more impacts to mental health? Honestly I would see if the wiki clarifies

Nevermind the wiki doesn't seem to have updated that page for b42 yet, but I would ask around

[umbral nest]

Thanks ! 🙂

[sage harbor]

No problem

[half orchid]

I want that pixelated image on a shirt in-game

[vestal adder]

I just had a generator vanish into nothing while I was carrying it, it isn't anywhere along where I was running and it's not in my inventory or anything. has anyone encountered an issue like that in the new patch?

[granite shard]

update when

[swift saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/louise-belcher-bobs-burgers-gif-25311180

[granite shard]

[amber oar]

It would be awesome if we had a sandbox option to not have airborne immunity and/or get infected for walking around smeared in zombie blood while injured

Or even better - to make it as a negative character traits

Something about treating zombies as biohazard and using appropriate protective gear around them just feels right to me

Just how awful it would be to be in a zombie apocalypse AND having to maintain your gasmask, always carry spare filters and cover your skin while other survivors just have built-in immunity

[glad lintel]

Thanks. I had missed that bug report.

[glad lintel]

Nope. We've previously had weird events associated with trying to sit in a vehicle while carrying (you can't do that in B42 anymore btw). Relogging sometimes revealed the generator was on the ground where we'd tried to enter the vehicle.

[half orchid]

Already ready for a new holiday?

[vestal adder]

oh that might be it bc that's what I did when it happened. do you have to just get a car with a big enough trunk/bed to haul generators around now?

[glad lintel]

That, or put the generator in the car seat. Walk up to door, press V, choose "open door", put into seat, press V, choose "close door"

[vestal adder]

ohh okay sweet ty!

[ornate apex]

invisible hitbox patch when?

[umbral nest]

If that can help for the zombies not being stompable, I got this log from my dedicated server

WARN : Multiplayer f:50229, t:1769318488441, st:416,844,688> PacketTypes$PacketType.onServerPacket> The packet ZombieHitThumpable is not consistent: { "ZombieHitThumpablePacket": { "thumpable" : { "Thumpable": { "index" : 2 } , "Square": { } , "Position": { "x" : 11987.0, "y" : 6941.0, "z" : 0.0 } } } , "ZombieHit": { "wielder" : { "Zombie": { "zombieFlags" : 0, "attackOutcome" : "", "attackPosition" : "" } , "Character": { "characterFlags" : 0, "positionX" : 11987.561, "positionY" : 6941.4, "positionZ" : 0.0, "directionX" : 0.0, "directionY" : -1.0, "characterReaction" : "", "playerReaction" : "", "zombieReaction" : "" } , "CharacterID": { "playerId" : { "PlayerID": { "playerIndex" : -1 } , "IDShort": { "id" : 0 } }, "zombieId" : { "ZombieID": { } , "IDShort": { "id" : 6555 } }, "animalId" : { "AnimalID": { } , "IDShor

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

[latent citrus]

...

[fossil pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

[unkempt belfry]

oh we are doing the delay the update thing?

warned you last time, it's time for some ice cream posts

chocolate peanutbutter with reese's as a topping

strawberry softserve

[sage harbor]

You are encouraging more people to ask about the update with that incentive

[swift saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/delay-the-update-gachi-gif-2248412581895248061

[timid hull]

Chocolate icecream is W

[sage harbor]

[trail crown]

Really don't wanna be that guy but... anyone know if a update/hotfix is in sight?
Really want to play B42 with my friend but the targeting bug is really annoying🥀

[sage harbor]

Sully said definetly not this week, so I would expect at least another week from now at the very least

[swift saddle]

I don't recall saying that

[sage harbor]

^?

[swift saddle]

oh... so I did... damn... I gotta stop doing that

[sage harbor]

Fortunately the more impatient side of the community is too busy making hate posts on reddit and being armchair devs to care about these channels

Though Sully I don't think anyone takes what you say as concrete or serious in these chats because they are meant to be more casual so its probably fine

[swift saddle]

oh now I know why I said it... it was literally the day after the last patch... for some reason it feels like the last patch was weeks ago

[sage harbor]

Fair enough 👍

[compact shore]

This played out like a Phoenix Wright scene

[scenic hedge]

Honestly best answer might be "When its ready X feature will appear. Development is not a straight path."

[unkempt belfry]

I do love it, so very much 😍

[unkempt belfry]

Black cherry softserve

[compact shore]

I've been in a role where the policy was effectively “no ETAs, but you can share that we're working on or looking into something”—almost how it seems to be handled by TIGS (especially how it was handled when Thursdoid was going) but for some features it seems hush-hush. Perhaps because some people will see a feature mentioned and think “so next patch absolutely”

Not necessarily disagreeing with your message, just my thoughts on potential reasons that may be avoided

[compact shore]

Hell yeah

[unkempt belfry]

I ❤️ TIGS

[scenic hedge]

There are always exceptions to the rule and it is basically their policy overall.

[teal flare]

They said not this week but it was last week

So it could be this next week maybe starting tomorrow

[compact shore]

I think it seems to be their policy for bug fixes, but not features

For sharing what's being worked on, I mean, at least as of now

Not a criticism, to clarify again—I like having the information that was shared in thursdoids but I understand that it's difficult to share and maintain the nuance of “this feature is being worked on, but no ETA on when it's ready” for development cycles

[scenic hedge]

Most of their work last year has been backend rewrites which wont be visible to anyone but modders. Also thursdoids means meetings to work out what can be shared as its ready to drop. Its better to keep thursdoids as sharing this feature is teased for now.

[compact shore]

I wasn't referring specifically to thursdoids in that message, edited it because I figured it might come across that way lol

I just mean information on features in-progress being shared more frequently & less vaguely. But again, just stating an observation since recently it's been made clear that features players have been waiting on are likely for the next non-hotfix update

[scenic hedge]

not all I presume one or two.

[compact shore]

Yeah

[scenic hedge]

if that

[half orchid]

i mean rust/facepunch and warframe/digital extremes do it a lot

[compact shore]

Well, I believe it was plural & I'd generally assume more than one feature

[half orchid]

but Rusts lead designer regularly has issues with people taking choices personally when it changes anything with the meta

so i can kinda see why studios might be hesitant to give out exact work in progresses that are more than a general overview/showoff of a system like the devblogs usually did it

[compact shore]

Yeah, that's what I'd typically expect, high-level “this feature is being worked on, no promises as to when it's coming” like the thursdoids had

Ultimately I don't think it's realistically possible to avoid a subset of players getting upset by changes to gameplay (however large or small that subset may be)

[runic ore]

Crazy how a hotfix for combat desync hasn't come through yet

[swift saddle]

Desync isn't some tangible thing that is easily quashed. It's effectively a performance issue that requires constant vigilance to keep down to as unnoticeable levels as possible

[compact shore]

So what you're saying is it's a simple problem and will be fixed and released in exactly 5 minutes

[swift saddle]

lol of course

I hate desync with a passion though... netcode in general is a monster, and when you're dealing with a game as complex as PZ it becomes even more of a monster

[half orchid]

yeah, but its generally a problem more so for devs that try to stay close to the community

if you got a playerbase of a few 10s of thousand, 1% is still a pretty loud number

[runic ore]

Yeah I'm sure of it, I'm just venting out for being frustrated with the issues on the MP server I play lol

[swift saddle]

If you're referring to melee combat issues and missing zombies though, that's not a desync issue, or at least doesn't appear to be. Apparently relogging makes the issue go away

It's also possible there's a desync issue there though

Depends on so many factors

[runic ore]

Melee combat issue where you are unable to hit zombies and the outline doesn't show up isn't a desync problem?

Also I came across an interesting finding on that regard: https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/1464983655066632334

[swift saddle]

Nope, that's a bug. The team believes they found the issue and are testing a fix. There's a workaround of simply logging out and back in that apparently fixes the issue

Your post is very in line with what we found

[compact shore]

Compared to some other games I've peeked at the code for, at least with PZ it's easy to interpret what is happening at all with the netcode, especially with the b42 improvements—I certainly have my nitpicks for coding patterns/anti-patterns that apply to PZ but netcode isn't one (although that may just be because I'm not experienced enough in that area to complain 😄)

[swift saddle]

The big problem is that with a game in development this long tech debt is a serious issue. RJ has been tackling it as much as he can, but technology advances, best practices change, you find better ways to do things, and all the while you're building on all that old code. It's a monster

[compact shore]

Yeah, true—I imagine with stuff like muscle strain it's an even larger and louder percentage

[runic ore]

Very, very interesting. I'm glad the issues have already been traced and are actively being worked on. I'm eager for the upcoming hotfix 🙂

[compact shore]

Yeah, makes sense. Difficult to justify allocating time to code cleanup when there's stuff to fix and work on

[swift saddle]

and then people complain you're taking too long

[runic ore]

And this is true. A relog will usually fix this completely.

[swift saddle]

So yeah, tech debt makes you slower, but fixing it takes time... no win scenario

[compact shore]

Have you considered adding in “NPCs” as static rendered .png files with dialogue text that repeats canned phrases like “I'm John Zomboid!” and then releasing that as 1.0

[runic ore]

By the way Sully, have you guys heard of any reports concerning major stuttering (frame freezing that gradually becomes worse to the point where you have to quit and rejoin or straight up relaunch the client), possibly during zombie migration, in both single player and MP?

[swift saddle]

okay who leaked the design meeting notes? Not cool guys

[compact shore]

Blame frogski (even if he's not in those meetings)

[swift saddle]

I'm not aware of it, but that doesn't mean there hasn't been a report. If you have an example of it happening on a fresh mod-free save, please file a bug report.

!bugreport

[lusty scroll]

Your report on Discord might end up being lost to the void. Please report bugs on our forums or Steam:

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports/

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/6/

Please be sure to follow our Bug Reporting Guide to ensure the team receive all necessary information to investigate your issue. https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/43261-bug-reporting-guide-updated-05082025/

[swift saddle]

Done

[half orchid]

also isnt parts of the "combat code" still client based?

[worldly mist]

Please add a rare ID spawn for someone named John Zomboid

[swift saddle]

New emote update just dropped

[worldly mist]

[civic spoke]

Maybe if a Thursdoid asking for more time will suffice?

[compact shore]

he's a little freaky

[worldly mist]

[swift saddle]

I somehow suspect that wouldn't go over very well lol

[compact shore]

What do you mean? I'm sure the Steam forums and Reddit would be empathetic and understanding

[civic spoke]

No, maybe Sully has a point.

[swift saddle]

they do tend to be a very empathetic lot

[compact shore]

No, no one on reddit or the steam forums has ever been uncharitable (/j)

[civic spoke]

True...

[compact shore]

On a serious note, I do wish there were a way for them to dedicate time solely to cleanup & manage the communication of it, but I can't imagine any way that wouldn't anger the majority of the playerbase

Like even the more reasonable people—I feel like other than modders who would benefit from it directly (everyone would ultimately, but modders would see the tangible improvements), even if given an explanation of the benefit, most players would probably interpret it as either an excuse or a waste

were these ones added alongside the ones above or do I live under a rock

[worldly mist]

The only way would be to have secretly been working on a few features people wanted but didn't expect, drop them and then be like 'don't bother us for 6 months were doing cleanup' lol

[scenic hedge]

Honestly its good that you lot are working at it compared to say creative assenbly and the absolute dogfire mess Total War Warhammer 3 is now that is finally getting a tiny cleanup.

[west terrace]

Lol, the best

[worldly mist]

I dont know much about it in tech/coding, but is that something generative AI could be good for? LIke 'we wrote this code its great people love it but examine it and make it more efficient / up to date or include these functions' etc

So not replace coding but be like a janitor lol

[worldly mist]

I like how you weren't even here chatting at the time but still answered the call to delay the update in a timely manner

[fossil pecan]

I must

Also, I'm too tired to report this atm, but if someone wants to report a bug where standing on a floor above a vehicle causes the player to erratically spin that would be nice (happens in vanilla mp only, not singleplayer).

I'm reporting it later today if not

[west terrace]

Lol i wanna see

[compact shore]

There are varying opinions on this, but in my experience so far (and corroborated by the results of the study Measuring the Impact of Early-2025 AI on Experienced Open-Source Developer Productivity, but from last year so things may have changed) generating code just means spending time cleaning up the generated code. I don't generate code myself, but some coworkers had a few months back and that's what it ultimately amounted to—a skeleton that needed effort to get into a working state, which imo is less efficient than just doing it yourself

But again, that's just my thoughts & things are still changing in the area. Maybe some models are well-suited for that, but I wouldn't trust it to not do stuff like “clean things up” by removing vital methods lol

[worldly mist]

Thanks!

[swift saddle]

Depends on how you're using it in my experience. It's quite like Google in that Googling is a skill, and some people are more effective at it than others, knowing what to search in order to find the results they are after (which is why elderly people often struggle, being unfamiliar with the technology).

If you ask AI to do a significant task, it'll be a skeleton that needs constant overview. If you're asking it for simple but mundane tasks, it's actually quite good.

I remember back in the day I took over a piece of software that was horribly architected. Had a bunch of properties like "MondayPay, TuesdayPay, WednesdayPay... etc"... and a piece of logic I needed to write had to basically do the exact same operations to all of these. Rather than writing 7 times the code, you could just ask the AI to duplicate it for each day of the week and voila.

[compact shore]

That's fair. For this case, due to the scale of PZ's codebase, it would certainly perform worse on a cleanup task than something simpler

[swift saddle]

yeah I'd never ask AI to cleanup anything... that's tech debt waiting to happen lol

[compact shore]

Technically, by deleting half of the files and changing nothing else, cleanup has occurred

[west terrace]

lol that emoji

[worldly mist]

[west terrace]

[worldly mist]

Sidenote, do you eventually learn the car recipes if you get mechanics high enough? I think you do right?

[swift saddle]

Can't remember if that was implemented yet, but if it hasn't been then it's on the cards

I think it might have been

[worldly mist]

Yeah I thought I saw it in the notes one time haha

Did you guys see that reddit post where the guy saw you read faster with reading glasses haha

[west terrace]

what lol

[swift saddle]

yeah lol... and there was a guy who corrected the math and it got downvoted... I was so disappointed in Reddit

[worldly mist]

https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1qkh1zz/til_reading_glasses_increase_reading_speed/

Oh like it isn't true?

[swift saddle]

no no, pretty sure it's right... but people said it increased reading speed by 10%... but it doesn't, it increases by 11.111%

[west terrace]

lmao

can anyone wear them?

[swift saddle]

someone pointed that out and got downvoted... it made me sad

[west terrace]

what the hell lol

[swift saddle]

think so... think that should be changed but didn't bother pestering the team with it

[worldly mist]

LOL!

[west terrace]

lol so how fast is it with slow reader !

[worldly mist]

I mean the amount of people i've met who are a tiny bit needing reading glasses is probably more than those who dont lol

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-alert-bumper-adam-devine-pitch-perfect-lame-gif-17474980

[swift saddle]

I'll have you know I was captain of the mathletes in high school... I was clearly the coolest kid in my school

[worldly mist]

Sine sine cosine sine, 3.14159 Gooooooooooooooooo MATHLETES

[west terrace]

the asnwer is 5

[teal flare]

i wonder how many other of these tiny details are just hidding away lol

[worldly mist]

5 maths

[teal flare]

this will definelly be featured in the next "SUPER HIDDEN PZ DEATAILS YOU DIDN'T KNEW" like eating animations with spoons and forks when you have then in your inventory

[west terrace]

dude i find out something new about the game almost everytime i look in pz chsat lol

[worldly mist]

Right! Like I still think immediately sanitizing a scratch or laceration reducing infection chance even though I know it doesn't

[teal flare]

WAIT I'M NOT A BUILDER ANYMORE I'M A SURVIVOR NOW

I have an axe instead of a sledgehammer heck yeah

[west terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/minions-despicableme-cheer-happy-yay-gif-13253317945437211671

[worldly mist]

10 SupEr CoOl Pz TiPs yOu DiDNT KnoW

[west terrace]

lol

[worldly mist]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-clap-two-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-steve-carell-michael-scott-gif-1426676161617562616

axe gang rise up

[teal flare]

ay i'm grinding up, I wanna get to veteran role

wonder how many messages that is

[worldly mist]

Same I wasnt to see how degenerate that secret chat is

[teal flare]

very curious about it fr

yeard they decide all the next updates there

[west terrace]

nothing compares to degern chart lol

[worldly mist]

This is funny, I watched this Home Video to see what it was and it was a recording (I assume live) of the 'Your Smile. Your Kiss' CD, and now the game says i've listened to the CD

Fair enough

A hit single like that never gets boring though!

[teal flare]

oh dam, nice

wait I wonder if the home videos can be from any possible vhs or cd then?

[compact shore]

Many, makes it fun to read through the code

[west terrace]

wheres the xenomorph easter egg!!

[worldly mist]

Someone with a chest burster corpse

[west terrace]

lol

i have seen scary alien drawing but dunno if thats reference to it , cause in alien isolation theres a scary alien drawin gin there too!

[teal flare]

really nice

[worldly mist]

After 1500 hours I just started using the actual washing machine to clean clothes because it takes like 20L of water vs tons if you do it manually haha

[teal flare]

oh dam never noticed it saved os much

I usually don't wash clothes though I really like the fully dirty and bloody aspect

[west terrace]

same here, but that is really good info to know

[worldly mist]

I didn't either but the animals make things so cozy now when I get back from a long day of looting I pop my gear in the laundry, throw on a robe and crack some beers lol

I've lose my mind when they add brewing, no reason to leave the base haha except for more hottiez

and more colours of dash ranchers

@swift saddle if you get a chance can you please tell whoever added the 'transfer items of matching types to nearby containers' that they are a beautiful wonderful person

[swift saddle]

That's Tim's work by the looks of things

[little solstice]

Dude's a code ninja

[lost niche]

Wait thats a thing?

Oh baby

[unkempt belfry]

I love quick stack in games 🤩

Oh wait we have a new emote I can use

[worldly mist]

Yes! My storage corner is 15 crates stacked with a space in the middle and my guy dumps everything in his bag basically lol with one trip to the fridge

[sage harbor]

As someone with no coding experience, how long would it take the team if they fully committed to clean up the entire codebase? Or is that not a viable approach?

[slate marten]

• In mp, car battery recharger, when placed on ground, is causing huge drop fps lag;
• Generators also causing fps issues while placed on ground;
  When carrying or in cars trunks OK no fps drop, when placed on ground fps drops and stutters fps when moving to other room or just walking

[red cargo]

Someone else having problems with Maintenance EXP on MP? I just dont get it. No matter what i do, it stays on 0/75

[red cargo]

People always complain 😉 bugs are annoying, and also annoying for the dev's. b42 is amazing, i love the new crafting stuff. Amazing job! I rather wait a bit longer on a hotfix then got one pushed that doesnt work or makes it even worse 😉

[sage harbor]

You sure you aren't using a weapon that has a maintanence xp ban? For example, sticks, rocks, large branches, and other primitive materials, and I think weapons like plungers and other odd urban weapons.

You can tell if it has a tooltip below the weapon state that says that no xp will be gained from it

[civic ember]

are the dirt sacks bugged?

because it doesnt let me pour dirt on the ground

[red cargo]

Yes im 100% sure. I used a Bat for a while, after that i used a crowbar and i leveled Carpentry to lvl 10, so used alot of axes. Still 0/75

[umbral nest]

Do you guys have a bug where you can carry up to 300 weight without mods ?

[sage harbor]

Yeah, is it a modded server?

[civic spoke]

Always have every June and December months be dedicated to tech debt, while all other months be dedicated to Project Zomboid code features/bugfixes

[red cargo]

Nope, pure vanilla

[civic spoke]

Or it can be every odd months be features/bugfixes, every even months be tech debt fixing

We don't need to stick to any update release schedule since no ETAs all the time.

If they plan to do monthly update releases internally, just multiply that by 2 or 3.

I have some Computer Science professors always telling me to make estimates first, then multiply that by 3 for a more reliable time estimate. I think it might work if we actually look deeper into this. 🤔

[sage harbor]

Hm, could be a bug. Try have a look on the forums if anyone else has had that issue. If so I would probably comment saying you are experiencing the same thing if the QA hasn't been able to replicate it. If no one else has had the issue then make a new bug report for it, and QA will ask whatever questions it needs from there.

Good luck!

[swift saddle]

Known bug, being investigated

[umbral nest]

Thank you sully ! 🙂 Is it related to when we saw logs, it doesn't consume the logs and you saw forever ?

[swift saddle]

no idea if related, but I don't think so

not familiar with sawing log bug though

[umbral nest]

Wondering if it is related to dedicated server thing

[civic spoke]

If it's happening on a vanilla server, just report it as a bug.

I don't want to write second-hand info on bugs that I never experienced in an unmodded game.

I'm just setting things straight.

[rose laurel]

Being able to carry over 50 has been nice tbh

would be neat if strength buffed the hard cap a little

[sage harbor]

The infinite fish fillet bait bug has already been noted right?

Just started a new wilderness playthrough on the westpoint-louisville birdge and I fished 4 fish with 1 fillet

[civic spoke]

Not sure what this bug is. Single or multi?

[rose laurel]

Charcoal pits should probably degrade shovels since they're useful as provisional barricades.

I'd make them take a bit longer to create too. Very cool and logical use for them otherwise.

[sage harbor]

Single

[scenic hedge]

My friend encountered this too. Not sure what caused it were you the host too?

[sage harbor]

I swear I saw someone report it on the forums already

[rose laurel]

I only experienced issues in prior builds with maintenance xp, myself.

[sage harbor]

BTW can I just say THANK YOU 🙏 devs for making foraging so much better and easier to both level up but also as an experience. Having the xp gain be purely on discovering is infinetly better than the 2 step skill exp gain from before and also just makes it more clear what types of items are best of level ups

[red cargo]

No, im playing on a server

[civic spoke]

On Singleplayer, how do you raise maintenance XP levels from 0 to 1?

In a no-zombies run?

[rose laurel]

Oh, sharpen blades.

Hope you like smithing... lol

[civic spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-hmm-thinking-smile-gif-12571277

[vital umbra]

No zombies? Im not judging but why not just get the mod that gives you admin privs in single player and go full creative.

[sage harbor]

Probably wants the rpg skill system to matter

Fair enough

[civic spoke]

Because I'm testing to see if the Stone to Metal runs are now viable in Build 42.13.2

I don't want zombies to interfere me.

[vital umbra]

Fair enough

[civic spoke]

And one of the main reasons to test for this is to see how Foraging is viable enough.

[vital umbra]

It is. The only thing missing is a renewable propane source to get metal but in SP you should find plenty of propane.

Foraging is still OP

Just gotta level it

[civic spoke]

I'm at level 7 already.

[vital umbra]

Ah youre good you should be able to find anything you need.

[civic spoke]

i'm starting to think some locations are really bad for Stone to Metal runs

[vital umbra]

Truth. I dont think there is any natural way to get ores (could be wrong). So the only way to get metal is from deconstruction. Stones are everywhere

You can right click the stones on the ground and pull them up

Almost all of them. You'll learn which gives yiu what type of stone.

[sage harbor]

Only thing holding my westpoint bridge run back is my foraging radius is really bad because I have the worst cold possible so I need clothes and shelter

[scenic hedge]

basic Stone axes need maint 1 dont they?

[sage harbor]

Yeah thats another annoying thing is that right now the only way to be fully primitive with 0 levels in anything is to carve spears or stakes for the maintenance levels since it is impossible to get any from the primitive materials

Or at least thats how all my 0 to hero primitive runs felt

[scenic hedge]

if you can knap basic knives to make those then its possible. Not great but technically possible.

[sage harbor]

I think that the other thing is food since bows aren't a thing and the spawn rates of wild animals currently is kinda low, and their ai isn't fully implemented yet (I think they said the current system is very basic, but later the animals will have the human npc-like behaviour)

And trapping is impossible without the recipes

Same as fishing

[half orchid]

Am not a Java dev but I am rewriting something for Arma that was done about 10 years ago now and what the script language can do now vs then is pretty darn impressive:
I've rewritten about 20% of the core and spent about 120 hours on it and it's not even badly written code just very old and undocumented

[sage harbor]

Then I think that the pz devs allocating some time or manpower to it makes sense, especially if in the future it will make modding easier

[half orchid]

The code base for pz will be magnitudes larger than what I work with

Think a meal for 20 vs a meal for 20k

[sage harbor]

Yeah the scale is much larger but still, I think it is a good sacrifice

Can't code cleanup also lead to performance optimisations?

[half orchid]

With Java?

Lol

[sage harbor]

Uhhh you're speaking to someone who knows nothing about coding right now

I mean I know what it is like but I haven't actually done any