#42.13.1 Hotfix Released

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jaunty bridge
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i just got joy baited

rare basalt
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Merry Christmas everyone!

dawn escarp
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🎄spiffo 🧡

viral quail
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merry Christmas fellow survivors spiffo hope yall and the devs have a good one

indigo ocean
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Merry Christmas everyone. Enjoy the seasonal food, have fun, sleep well and all that we may not have enough of.

opal fossil
lost veldt
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Now that christmas eve has passed we can finally force the devs to work again

lost veldt
lost veldt
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wicked talon
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B42 stable for 2026

tribal ledge
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gr

opal fossil
digital token
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make it 6

digital token
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they really gotta fix the zombie ai in mp tho

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i want to play with friends

wicked talon
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and they will

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just not during holidays

digital token
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holidays are over.

wicked talon
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...it is christmas day

opal fossil
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dont worry

digital token
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austere vapor
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I hope they launch another patch with more fixes 🙁

white marsh
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it is christmas and close to new year

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i would not expect a new patch this year

austere vapor
kindred kettle
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May be an hot take, but I don't get people that don't play because of a few bugs. If you wanna play now, this is the best version of the game currently available, and it is still very playable.

You don't have control on when the next patch will be, nor if it is going to address your "favourite" bug. But you do have control of hitting play and have fun on a game you want to play... just my 2-cents

digital token
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and its the zombie migration bug that happens in every session

austere vapor
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I play on the current version, you right its more playable than the previous patch

kindred kettle
digital token
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so yea that may be why

white marsh
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yknow... you can go back to b41, right?

kindred kettle
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what, the pathing issue? It is unfortunate, I agree. Still that doesn't stops me from playing, or even hosting actually eheh...

Thankfully PZ is deep enough, and there's so much new content, that a single bug, no matter how central, is not enough to put the game down. To me, at least

digital token
inner estuary
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guys are there any mod to claim car that work for mp?

lost veldt
viral quail
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has anyone had an issue where the game crashes steam when trying to start up multiplayer

fringe snow
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I love you all spiffo ❤️

trail crest
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awh i wanna play too i love you community and tis , thnx for awesome game and bestest community

viral quail
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real

wicked talon
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Anyone has an idea how much XP we talking about with the new trait Crafty?

tribal ledge
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What do I do if my pet is sick?

ivory gazelle
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How is MP now?

unkempt swallow
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Just messing you all.

dreamy onyx
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is anyone able to wash stuffs or the character with the buckets?

inland trout
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No sex update? unplayable, refunded, raging, fuming even

dreamy onyx
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i think is broken

inland trout
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jokes aside loving this update tysm devs

fringe snow
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Eggs update drunk

inland trout
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Real

languid basalt
inland trout
languid basalt
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i want to beat my meat on pz

languid basalt
frozen wasp
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has anyone ever fixed the issue of the massive lag spike on opening your map and getting in a vehicle for the first time

rotund bridge
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Are animal through bugged ? I cannot see the container

rotund bridge
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MP

trail crest
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try reconnecting

rotund bridge
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Is it because it rains ?

trail crest
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oh do you mean being able to put food in it or something?

rotund bridge
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Yes !

trail crest
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yah try putting it indoors, that is what i do

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i play on very rainy and always have that issue lol, gotta put it inside

rotund bridge
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Once you put it inside, are you able to move it afterwards ?

trail crest
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its also just the wooden ones I use the long and short one

rotund bridge
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Sweet ! And if there's food in it, and it rains, it cancels it ?

trail crest
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yes it wont fill up with water so long as there is food inside it, the rain will ignore it

rotund bridge
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Fantastic, thank you so much !

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For chickens, what kind of food they need ?

trail crest
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i just use grass from right clicking on the ground or those animal feed bags(i steal them from other troughs in farms lol)

rotund bridge
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LET'S GOO

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I have a bunch of it and didn't know what to do haha

trail crest
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i think you can feed them other stuff but im not sure id ask in the #pz_b42_chat lol

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or im getting confused with a pig

unkempt swallow
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My prediction in Build 43 is we are going to see some more renewable food resources.

Something like renewable hot pepper flakes, salt, black pepper, cucumbers and pickles, vinegar and yeast.

These food resources are completely unrenewable right now, which locks away most of the advance food recipes in the game.

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Please Santa, make my wish come true.

fringe snow
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Become salt farmer

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Rule the world with spice trade

trail crest
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the salt lick merchant

unkempt swallow
# unkempt swallow My prediction in Build 43 is we are going to see some more renewable food resour...
digital token
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My prediction is that build 43 is gonna add sex to the game

viral quail
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no it will be build 69

cosmic jay
viral quail
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i think its based on the players or player who joins

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so it shouldnt

digital token
leaden nimbus
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does anyone know if you can stumble upon chicken while trying to do tracking and just stumbling through the woods?

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i'm running out of backroads to search on my CDDA run 🙁

digital token
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wild schickens

opal fossil
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burger flipper is more important and better role than Nurse or Doctor and... thats depressing (No disrespect to these professions)

unkempt swallow
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They are shifting towards making the professions more useful and specialized in multiplayer in the future roadmap.

cosmic jay
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Thanks , I thought maybe it was since I heard some people claiming it did

brazen gate
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brazen gate
neat jackal
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Hi, on nitrado hosting says that: Hello everyone, Latest project zomboid patch is currently available only on the 42.13.1 Steam Beta and is not yet included in the Unstable branch. It will be added to Unstable once officially released. https://steamdb.info/patchnotes/21238897/

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Its correct?

trail crest
rotund bridge
trail crest
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yay lol , did you name any of them?

rotund bridge
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ALL OF THEM

trail crest
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hahaha

rotund bridge
trail crest
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i tried when 42 first came out but got flustered so wanted to wait a bit

rotund bridge
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What got you flustered ?

trail crest
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it was when it first came out so bottle necking issues, i need to try it again , have you tried it at all?

rotund bridge
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of course ! All my Zomboid hours since B42 release are on B42

frozen wasp
neon mango
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You can carve a mortar and pestle right? It did I imagine that, it’s not in the crafting menu and I can’t find reliable info on it XD I don’t want to grind pottery just for that

sly path
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Is it true that all singleplayer sandbox saves are gone since mp update? Noway to save it? cry Some ppl say their saves are ok but mine isnt, i did do backup but how make it work?

leaden nimbus
sly path
leaden nimbus
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ultimately, help for saves from older unstable builds is not likely something you'll get, even if they do transfer over, unpredictable buggy behavior can occur

leaden nimbus
fallen frost
jolly otter
cunning hull
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Anyone getting memory leak? Our server been running since the hotfix, from RAM usage of only 1gb (yes, with 10+ players) to now a whooping 20gb so suddenly, no mods and max 20 players as recommended.

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Some buildings refused to load for admin and players, idk if it's the memory issue or something else, surely not internet because no rubberbanding. If I want to make a report, what actually important to provide for this issue?

wicked talon
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I started a wilderness run on a mod map, been like well over half a year since I last played...Lack of nails and spawning on a separate smaller island and being trapped there sure is funny

autumn sentinel
cunning hull
autumn sentinel
wicked talon
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Anyone else experiencing your character going VERY near a campfire to light it, no matter the angle...and then gets instantly lit on fire 😄

fringe snow
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I have not, but that is scary

opal fossil
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I lowkey wish future updates somehow addded possibility to turn camera or show someone is behind big vehicles, if a zombie was behind this thing I'd never know (it is a modded vehicle but there is for example box truck which works completely same) - transparency like with walls could work well

brazen gate
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Randomly, my muscle strain is constantly going up on my thighs, any ideas?

wicked talon
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at least having killed all the zeds on my weird ass smaller island spawn, no worries even if I get burned...

jolly otter
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when was roe base game?

fringe snow
quiet nest
autumn sentinel
quiet nest
autumn sentinel
opal fossil
opal fossil
lost veldt
proper canyon
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Have the migration issues been fixed?

leaden nimbus
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i hope everyone including those at TIS are having a great Holiday season

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wicked talon
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Anyone know if Inventive trait has been fixed to work by now?

zealous badge
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advance forge is bug ? progression bar stuck in 100% for me

brazen gate
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is maintenance leveling bugged?

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not getting levels other than sharpening blades

jolly basalt
steady badger
# brazen gate is maintenance leveling bugged?

I believe maintenance xp is now tied to the average durability of a weapon, meaning that high durability weapons don't give a lot of maintenance xp. I don't know exactly how it's calculated. Also a number of weapons don't give any xp at all.

kindred kettle
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Do we know for sure if zombie respawn work correctly?

neat jackal
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hi, anyone use nitrado hosting and know if 42.13.1 its fixed¿

shrewd zealot
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i can confirm diet cola no longer gives you calories. thank tis

brazen gate
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And I sat there for a long time with my bat hitting a door lol

cosmic jay
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Does anyone else have the problem where open and eat does not work? And instead just opens without eating?

nocturne widget
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just goes into your inventory open and doesn't eat

unkempt swallow
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Lately having trouble going through a loot run on Project Zomboid. Keep getting interrupted in real-life, and am unable to continue playing without being distracted.

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No one else has this kind of experience? I wished to play the game without being disturbed for 4 hours straight.

glass lance
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For now I'm just coping with the real world

mighty zinc
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Anyone got bandits mod working for b42 mp?

unkempt swallow
glass lance
wicked talon
# fringe snow Constantly

if only real life would convince me this aint worth it. Foraging 10, carving soon 9, knapping 5...can't find a box of nails to progress to simplest stage of primitiveness

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can get really far survival wise, but no preservation means you procure food every few days, and no problems keeping weight...but don't know how this'd work if I had to worry about fighting zombies every day

white marsh
fringe snow
dawn escarp
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craft some nail clippers

unkempt swallow
cosmic jay
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Does tailoring work in this version?

cosmic jay
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Because I have all the materials needed and still can’t repair clothing

cosmic jay
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It needs to be clean, is that a feature or bug?

proper pelican
unkempt swallow
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No answer.

wicked talon
# fringe snow Wilderness run so nothing to dismantle! <:stressed:721361533472342027>

Also due a funny mod map spawn on a smaller island aside the main one, I only had 33 zeds to kill and will never fight another one unless I get nails to a build a bridge. Nails are needed for so many primitive crafting stations. Need nails, to be able to produce any clothing, more nails, even for a bowl to make meals. All zed clothing is at minimum condition riddled with holes via mod. Naked and afraid.

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Hunger will not kill me, zeds will not kill me. Winter cold will, but a ruined shack I found seems to have some sort of heating inside, for now...

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Oh ya, no saws apart from flint one, so even if I had anything to dismantle, I do not have a metallic saw to do so. Foraging is my only hope

cosmic jay
wicked talon
flint phoenix
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Rags/Denim/Leather needs to be clean. This is a feature

cosmic jay
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Oh but why do they need to be clean ?

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Also thanks

fringe snow
wicked talon
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intentional suffering to stretch the primitive life without mods that change gameplay

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also, I have no big animals on my lonely island, so I cannot get sinew thread either 🙁

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no idea if animals can spawn AFTER world creation, in the world

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can only get rabbits and raccoons via trapping

digital star
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bro, im actually frustrated with this current build

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seriously, i cant do a run properly without getting so many errors with each second
i have the week one mod and the Project Indiana Expansion mod, which adds a new area for you to explore

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i just want a new whole area to explore without having to spend my entire fucking run in knox county for the 1 millionth time just because there are no other areas to explore outside the county, like indiana for example... CNASim_tired

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thats what i dont like the current build, literally breaking every single mod

kindred kettle
wicked talon
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every build breaks saves in unstable, other games are not perfectly safe either. It's about the mod creators NOT updating their mods for new patches.

digital star
kindred kettle
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Kidna goes against the lore of the exclusion zone

digital star
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didnt the infected already broke out from the exclusion zone though?

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like theres another bridge in Brandenburg leading to indiana

kindred kettle
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Can't argue your way out of it 😅 Both criticisms you made have nothing to do with current build.

digital star
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idk man im just a bit frustrated

kindred kettle
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And that's fine. I'm just letting you know that you're probably unloading your frustration toward the wrong target 😊

digital star
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true.

kindred kettle
digital star
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well is there a way to make unofficial import to b42.13 in order for it to work though?

wicked talon
digital star
digital star
# trail crest for mods?

yeah, been tryna figure out a way on how to make project indiana map expansion actually work in b42.13

wicked talon
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the player character is immune to airborne pathogen

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We also have #knoxevent channel that had this run of funny tweets "explaining" the spread in an immersive way

digital star
# wicked talon airborne pathogen

yeah but there needs to be an explanation on why did it spread throughout the world, is it possible that there were some people who were carriers of the virus and managed to get out of here in time before the WHO shut them down?

wicked talon
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happened with Covid, people travelled, carrying virus, didn't know they had them (yet) and it takes a single patient zero in each region of the world

digital star
wicked talon
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in the end, you're stuck in a hostile new world with no hope

trail crest
wicked talon
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One mistake in a world of post-production, without modern luxuries, and you have the premise of the game - This Is How You Died

rotund bridge
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Sorry to interrupt the conversation but, have you guys encountered this bug where items in trailers are duplicating upon re-opening a coop server in MP ?

wicked talon
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Cannot answer your question, but if the said MP is modless, vanilla MP, you can report the bug at least, for it to be fixed asap

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if you got any mods, no point reporting

rotund bridge
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It is 100% vanilla like my ice cream

wicked talon
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preservatives are mods

rotund bridge
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You dirty mind.

trail crest
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lol

rotund bridge
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I can't even.

wicked talon
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don't tell me your ice cream is pure vanilla when its not even raw milk from an udder, made into ice cream without any additives

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but yeah, mandatory

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!bugreport

grim ledgeBOT
opal fossil
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anyone experiences same issue with vanilla vans?

rotund bridge
wicked talon
rotund bridge
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Your...creativity is something else and I like it! lol. I found out the bug I was talking about already been reported

wicked talon
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When a shitposter posts enough shit, some will stick. Applies for broken clocks too, that are right twice per day

trail crest
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two shits equal a clicky clock

wicked talon
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and thats Puppers for ya

wicked talon
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Puppers get off me island, I'm trying to survive without nails here

trail crest
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puppersplonkiep3 never

wicked talon
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I was gonna say "if I forage for trash, I should get a mirror so I can see one"

trail crest
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lol

wicked talon
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and now i just found a mirror ffs

prisma belfry
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Please tell me what's going on with the day length settings in the game...Only in English does 1.30 appear and in my language (Ukrainian) there is only 1 hour or 2 hours... 1 hour is too short 2 hours is too long when trying to turn on English and set 1.30 feels like it's still on for 2 hours. How does this work?

twin maple
prisma belfry
twin maple
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Just select second "1 година" and you'll get 1 and a half hour day

prisma belfry
twin maple
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No, just default translation

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It's already included in a game

prisma belfry
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Well, I don't have two "1 hour" settings, but I do have two "real time" settings.

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This is strange but... If you remove the game translation mod, 1.30 appears and the duplicate "real time" also disappears.

twin maple
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Well I don't really remember how "1.5 hour" is named specifically, just that it doubles one of the other options name

prisma belfry
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It just seems to me lately that there is no difference between 1.30 and 2 hours of game time, instead 1 hour feels too fast. I don't know how I played before this innovation... Now I'm just plain I don't have time to do anything in the game😅 but on the other hand, living a year in the game now takes a lot of time in real life My maximum per day was 15 gaming days, which seems very little considering that you have to sit at the computer for 8 to 12 hours (which I did yesterday).

twin maple
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I'm not really engaging with unstable builds that much. I do play for a few hours each time there's something major is added. I tried new time and found it much more comfortable to play with but I just tested it without trying to make a long lasting save

prisma belfry
twin maple
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What I'm really interested right now is crafting/building fix so it's possible to progress in complete wilderness. Also bows so that hunting is possible without firearms

prisma belfry
twin maple
prisma belfry
twin maple
prisma belfry
# twin maple Devs actually worked on bows and crossbows and even posted how they planned it t...

That's why I'm telling you. It's hard for me to imagine how they would look in the game and how to implement them. BUT once everyone thought the same about cars (when they weren't in the game yet) and about basements and animals, but here we are.we can see them in the game. I think they will make bows and many other things, it's just a matter of time, it could take a couple of months or a whole year So we wait and hope for the best.

mint pelican
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It will come

wicked talon
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Happy new year and all from this frozen hell on earth, may 2026 bring us bows and stable 42

trail crest
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<3 i love you all, thnx

wicked talon
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please be more than 1

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1 🙁

ashen patrol
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finding a box of nails from foraging would of been better.

wicked talon
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Turns out nails are not the failure condition here, it's SAND. Not a single tile of sand on this island. Cannot make a sand sack, which means I cannot make a clay crucible. Which means I cannot fire it, use it for basic blacksmithing, to make nails to get this really going.

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Oh, and a modern lighter to light up a kiln

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guess I really need that box of nails lol

fringe snow
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Yea the sack is such a pain 😔

wicked talon
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a sack is nothing in this challenge

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sand neither because cannot judge the build based on a modded map

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Nails, modern lighter at least cannot be gained so easily in a dev-sanctioned wilderness map

fringe snow
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Simple solution would be to give us the ability to craft a torch that we could then light things, and also use as a light source which would useful

wicked talon
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wooden dowels, japanese wood joinery can't hurt either lol

fringe snow
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😊

unkempt swallow
wicked talon
fringe snow
fringe snow
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Merry New Year spiffo ❤️

kindred kettle
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Only now spotted this when starting a new world.
Absolute Cinema

leaden remnant
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please i need to know anybody encounter the same problem with me? loot and zombie spawning are ridiculous. just arrived firehouse and police station, theres no item to loot AT ALL. not even 1 gun, we check every container there but nothing??

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we never change the vanilla setting for zombie and loot spawning, because usually this kind of problem never happen before

neon mango
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I wish we could release fish back into the water so I can catch and release anything too small to be worth eating

wicked talon
neon mango
wicked talon
unkempt swallow
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Which we lack in Project Zomboid

wicked talon
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1 nail per 40 ish days is truly an RNG favourite 😄

rotund bridge
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Hi there! Is there a way to put myself in god mode to let the server run while I am not there in MP ?

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I tried every single possible command line, including set myself as an admin but it just says that I am no longer in god mode, even tho I never was to begin with

vernal chasm
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Anyone else try walking around with suitcase? I found one and it just swings up and down constantly. Kinda funny but also distracting.

fringe snow
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Default is paused when no players are on

green niche
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are skilltapes broken in b42 mp?

steady badger
green niche
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im on a mp server that swears the xp doesent give higher than 3

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isnt this a sandbox option?

wicked talon
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but it is a sandbox option as far as I know

rotund bridge
fringe snow
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other than normal pz (and known bugs) stuff it has been mostly fine for me

fringe snow
fringe snow
leaden remnant
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can anybody explain why stove not working in mp 42.13? because of mod or the game itself?

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i tried asking since few days ago but nobody answer me 😀

fringe snow
inland trout
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ive had this bug in the past but

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for some reason when switching from b41 to b42

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i get this TV and radio bug where the audio goes purple/pink , and does kzzt when on day 1 and tuning into news stations

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im gonna revalidate my files or clean install to see if it fixes it

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it also happens then back in b41

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which is SO weird

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could this be corrupt file?

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gonna nuke zomboid and /user zomboid folder

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nukling it worked lmfao

inland trout
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IT CAME BACK

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😭

late scarab
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That is, to my knowledge, “host” just runs the server on the coop host's machine, nearly the same way dedicated does. There's some specific code for it but both of them should be unstable in similar ways (again, repeating that this is to my knowledge and may not be entirely accurate)

tired goblet
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anyone having that bug in which sneaking/light level super fast? no mods, idk?

zealous badge
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rly need new fix still a lots bugs ;c

fringe snow
unkempt swallow
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European / UK mandatory holidays etc. etc.

burnt fiber
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i need help reinstating a backup can anyone help me pls?

brazen gate
wicked talon
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also christmas holidays do not end on christmas day, but somewhere in january

wicked talon
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Why am I still here foraging? Just to suffer?

trail crest
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yes

wicked talon
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also absolute unit of a 22,4 size rabbit gave me -7 hunger meat now, instead of multiple cuts each around 40+ hunger

tired goblet
verbal temple
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A tsunami or earthquake will trash a Japanese house

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Mother nature stomps and crushes it

unkempt swallow
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I can understand hurricanes / tornadoes / strong wind gusts and Japanese carpentry not withstanding the winds.

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But it is unlikely for a tsunami to hit Kentucky.

jolly otter
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Kentucky has a lot of flash floods though

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I haven't experienced an tsunami but I have experienced an couple flash floods. If they are like those. Doesn't matter what type of carpentry there are. I seen houses get deleted or moved to houses down.

fringe snow
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!dance

unkempt swallow
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I can't wait for Project Zomboid to simulate gusty winds in Build 43.

unkempt swallow
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Ever.

jolly otter
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I want pz driving to be affected by wind. I wanna be relaxing and then a gust of wind throw me into an ditch

unkempt swallow
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😈

jolly otter
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Nah i would say must of been an gust from ohio

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The way the wind toss my shitty 2004 Honda in the road i wouldn't be shocked

inland trout
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!dance

inland trout
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and spawning anywhere that isnt default ones

neon mango
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I had a dream that a new patch came out.

raw raven
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I hope in the new patch, the large stones get fixed. And knapping isn't that difficult to level up. Ugh

chilly kayak
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when sex update

indigo ocean
neon mango
neon mango
trail crest
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😆

hybrid geyser
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I am guessing the patch is out at earliest late Janurary so the most possible fixes are confirmed and in for the MP issues right now.

jolly otter
neon mango
tender latch
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So is this on unstable yet?

wicked talon
neon mango
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It's time for the old to fall, I'll rule "bows pls!!!" with the iron fist it needs

wicked talon
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I

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am not old, I just lived when Soviet Union still existed

wicked talon
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well I can't say no to bows, you ain't getting any as per prophecy

neon mango
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prophecy, witchcraft... my one weakness

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hah just kidding, i AM the prophet

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I drempt of a new update

fringe snow
inland trout
burnt fiber
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why does the 1 hour and a half option for days disappeared?

neon mango
burnt fiber
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well

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didnt notice that i didnt share it

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I've solved it

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For anyone that uses the mod B42 in Spanish that mod disables the option

unkempt swallow
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Players who plays with mods enabled need to be proactive about restoring features from the unmodded version of the game if they are disabled.

fringe snow
inland trout
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@fiery ibex Which areas in LV have the falling floor bug? tried doing some research earlier no luck

unkempt swallow
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Hoped it works out for you.

fiery ibex
inland trout
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Mostly just buildings for 42 in LV

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Doing a playthrough here and trying to avoid silly deaths by floors, had it happen once in an older build but outside of LV

wicked talon
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...can one light a candle from a lit campfire?

fringe snow
wicked talon
fringe snow
wicked talon
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1 more nail, then I have 3 (1 from foraging, 2 from planks with nails beating a tree to break them off)

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4, I mean. And I need 4 nails to get across the river from its narrowest spot

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and then its another 4 nails for fukken pottery wheel

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google says you can light a campfire with a candle. But cannot take the fire from one lol

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and only 3 nails via foraging, well over 66% of that time spent at foraging lv10

latent gazelle
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Back from holiday... what have I missed?

digital token
latent gazelle
digital token
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alright

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other than that i havent really seen anything major but it might be because i havent played mp much due to this bug which breaks immerson for me personally

latent gazelle
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So looks like migration bug is fixed internally and the fix should be in the next update.

jolly otter
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Sully have you guys planned on making an updated roadmap for b42? Since most of this has been added and i'm curious on what your next big thing you guys are currently trying to get working.

wicked talon
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need some wooden dowels or "nails" and ways to make nails without requiring nails, and certain pottery molds have no use atm (or are not used to make the thing it greatly implies it makes)

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also not being able to craft any meaningful clothing without metal scissors...that do not exist in a wilderness run even after 40+ days of foraging lol

strong terrace
wicked talon
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I don't know why I torment myself with obviously flawed and incomplete build doing the only thing that is not fully viable, but I missed PZ

latent gazelle
jolly otter
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That what I thought was your main goal at the moment but I was curious after than what were your plan. You guys still planning on making an better AI for the animals right?

latent gazelle
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Also... this is fun to come back to from holiday 😛

jolly otter
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Oh god

strong terrace
latent gazelle
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Literally crying

wicked talon
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backlog of...239 tags/messages and...

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reports?

jolly otter
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How many you think are repeats

latent gazelle
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this is just the TIS forums too

wicked talon
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check Steam forums 😄

strong terrace
jolly otter
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Or discord tech support

latent gazelle
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luckily Steam forums have valve moderators... I'm just going to assume they did a good job while I was away

wicked talon
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welcome back then, barely seen anyone asking for "patch when" in this thread ever since MP came

jolly otter
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Oh you're right

latent gazelle
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that's what I like to hear

wicked talon
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it is a new world

jolly otter
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Sorry I gotta ruin it

latent gazelle
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literally front page of Steam forums has someone asking when the next update is

strong terrace
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We didn't say STEAM didn't have people asking

wicked talon
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copypaste the blizzard soon(tm) definition and be done with it

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and who cares about Steam forums asking anything, these containment zone threads only matter

jolly otter
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You know that video of one of the loudest city due to the honking added an thing at lights so if you honk the light stay red, add an timer that increases when someone says patch when?

hybrid geyser
jolly otter
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I demand cheese making

strong terrace
neon mango
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self sufficient cheesy omelets!

jolly otter
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I also demand an lactose intolerance trait, and like 50 bucks

strong terrace
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I only second the cheese demand not the others

jolly otter
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Dang

turbid gorge
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+1 want cheese

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also want bows but I am giving up on that one

latent gazelle
# turbid gorge also want bows but I am giving up on that one

....don't? I can't guarantee anything, but there has definitely been work on this. When it will get implemented (or if I guess as there's still a possibility they just don't work well) is still very much in the air, but it's a highly requested feature and one that is on our radar.

jolly otter
latent gazelle
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^ done

turbid gorge
turbid gorge
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There I fixed it

lost veldt
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And add a gag to work as supressor lmao

hybrid geyser
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If there are any information updates in regards to the wilderness generation and if that will fully drop later in unstable I will be excited to hear about that

burnt fiber
burnt fiber
turbid gorge
burnt fiber
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We may be few, but we are few

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And that's... That's what makes us few

digital token
burnt fiber
turbid gorge
ripe lion
fringe snow
rotund bridge
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Welcome back Sully! Hooe you had a great holiday!

trail crest
hybrid geyser
trail crest
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i want a monkey paw curl

latent gazelle
# rotund bridge Welcome back Sully! Hooe you had a great holiday!

I did not lol. Literally the first day one of my dogs gets sick, needs to be taken out every 2 hours with very unpleasant experiences lol. This goes on for a week, take her to the vet as soon as they open. Literally the day we took her to the vet she stopped having issues. £100 flushed down the toilet lol. Then had 1 day of peace before dog 2 ended up with the exact same thing. Literally stopped last night.

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So yeah... virtually no sleep for the entire 2 week holiday

rotund bridge
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Oh my days...yeah...Holidays are fun they said... 😂😂

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I hope the Doggos are okay and you gonna get some sleep soon...hopefully

latent gazelle
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they're fine now... but yeah, nights have been rough the last 2 weeks

rotund bridge
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I feel ya. When our PAWS or loved ones are sick, our sleep has a tendency to be secondary

trail crest
white marsh
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I'm kinda surprised nobody has pulled the "its been a year since the last update"

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and here i was hoping for some bad humour

trail crest
white marsh
trail crest
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lol

dense pier
trail crest
late scarab
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Sorry that it soured your holiday, I can imagine that was rough

radiant stone
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does anyone have problems by hitting a little tiny bunny/ rat and that destroy the car hood, trunk door and trunk all at the same time??

jolly otter
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so are people having issue with the locked doors no opening when you have the key

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like i got the police station key it works on the normal doors but it won't work with the gun doors

wet hornet
mint pelican
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The bunny is made of rock

trail crest
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wait until you do a kickflip on one with a car

twin maple
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I have an issue with crafting menu. It opened so wide that craft button along with everything in the bottom of the menu cant be reached. I cant move the menu upwards or make it smaller. And it didn't reset after I restarted the game

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I played with a friend so I had no time to waste trying to find a solution. I crafted a sheet bag from right click menu instead

lost veldt
indigo ocean
round orbit
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I made a report on forums about the cough that happens after smoking not being muted by tissues, is that a bug or intended? If its intentional imo bump smoker to +3 cause it has given away my position to zombies many times, i hope its a bug tho

twin maple
round orbit
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Made it Dec 22nd

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wet hornet
twin maple
fallen frost
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anybody else having this issue in MP where youll patch something and the patches will be there but wont PATCH the holes?

fringe snow
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Never fun

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Woops I replied to the wrong human, my apologies

jolly otter
fringe snow
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Even with the key, but it was in good condition, no broken lock or anything

jolly otter
jolly otter
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What odd is that a few doors will work with the bunker key

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But i still had to break like 4 of them and I didn't even bother going to the lab side

fringe snow
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I haven't actually been to any of the bunkers in this patch tbh

jolly otter
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It was empty

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Like no zombies

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But a few doors were also broken so I think it was ransacked?

fringe snow
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Definitely possible

jolly otter
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But the top isn't so the bunker might be counted as a different building

fringe snow
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I think basements are considered separate - I went into the muldraugh police station and was there for about 20 irl minutes clearing, went down the stairs and it triggered a house alarm

jolly otter
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L

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I remember someone talking about the basement having less of a chance of being ransacked but I thought they would only be ransacked if the top was aswell

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I mean who breaks into an house just to rob the basement

twin maple
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Did someone tagged me?

fringe snow
fringe snow
twin maple
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It's fine

fringe snow
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Replied to you by accident unhappy

cunning hull
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Any discussion about "respawning cars"? Kindda hope there's setting to respawn cars randomly with hordes.
Because if you have a server with players that come and go weld any cars for the XP, leave the drops/despawn, then finish whatever they want to do and left the server.... is kindda an issue for the other slower pace players.

inland trout
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is it me

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or since b42 release, stuff NEVER spawns in these locker chests, it used to in b41

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sometimes youd find survival or ammo or basic loot

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quite literally NEVER have had any loot spawn in them

fringe snow
inland trout
fringe snow
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likely just bad luck I imagine

inland trout
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Maybe it could be I don’t use vanilla loot settings and lower my loot too much for it to ever spawn stuff

fringe snow
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yea that will likely do it, they don't usually have much in them to begin with

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so lowering loot will likely make it rare that anything is in there

inland trout
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They do make drippy loot crates for bases tho

fringe snow
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100%

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one of my favs 🙂

fringe snow
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loot table for it is empty, but I swear I definitely have gotten loot from them in early b42

inland trout
# fringe snow

Yeah I’ve genuinely never seen any loot in them on my end

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I can report this later tonight, and use your screenshot if you allow me too

hybrid geyser
leaden nimbus
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is this intentional? something is making the vines vanish the closer you get when on fences

unkempt swallow
fringe snow
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I miss Hypochondriac trait from the tech demo days, it really made you push your character to the end rather than just restarting when you see the bad moodle combo.

fringe snow
unkempt swallow
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Isn't this the literal definition of the "Helicopter event"?

trail crest
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why is the ss so fity lol

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dirty (

fringe snow
trail crest
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oh what that one looks so much better lol

fringe snow
dense pier
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Can't believe it's been almost 8 years

fringe snow
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I guess yea it will be 8 years in july

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that is pretty wild

trail crest
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its so much better looks like a crusty comic

vestal kernel
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thats all cool n all, but mp out yes or no?

fringe snow
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yes

vestal kernel
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so yes?

fringe snow
vestal kernel
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that does indeed look like a yes.. hmm..

fringe snow
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indeed

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oh wait

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(I have been rewatching sg1 so I had to)

jolly jolt
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Do metal drums not work for creating charcoal? I see mixed answers.

graceful valley
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loot still despawns after reloading the server

fringe snow
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haven't come across that one, but I have definitely seen people talk about it

simple thicket
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these stone nodes have to be made mineable at some point or the minable ones need to be more visually distinct i can't tell wth im looking for 💀

fringe snow
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EEEEEEEEEEEEEE I have never found this plushie before 😍

trail crest
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lol awesome, where did you find it

fringe snow
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on a bed in this house 😄

trail crest
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amazing lol

fringe snow
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now I can read it books 🥹

trail crest
humble fox
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The most annoying bugs i still have are the weight change arrows not showing up / many synchronization issues like any action from another inventory only move it in your inventory and don't do the action if not going through the craft menu / food in your inv show decay faster than it should (drop it on ground it's back to fresh) / auto drink stop working at some point

grim ledgeBOT
humble fox
# latent gazelle !bugreport

It's been reported many times and I don't have an account on forum to make it myself (i also have hope it will get fixed in a few patches anyway so might as well just wait we got a good Christmas present in the form of multi bugs were to be expected)

late scarab
proper pelican
leaden nimbus
unkempt swallow
unkempt swallow
leaden nimbus
unkempt swallow
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I guess these bugs need to be updated to 42.13.1 and re-tested to see if the stamina bug persisted.

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Someone mentioned you can generate stamina back but only if you're sitting in the car.

neon mango
humble fox
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I had some issues with some sofas / chairs i moved but no problem when sitting in cars or on the ground directly

unkempt swallow
strong terrace
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I haven't had issues with stamina in SP nor MP and my SP is currently a Z2H run

mint pelican
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So chat should I wait until the next patch

jolly otter
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has anyone made a mod that you start in this skyscraper and your goal is to try to get out with as much gold as possible

fringe snow
fringe snow
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we got an answer 😄

trail crest
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Can we find yhe luigi board in it

fringe snow
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Maybe drunk

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Do we think that next update will require server wipe?

trail crest
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Probably

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If you do bug reports pretty sure youd want to do it regardless of how big or small

fringe snow
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I imagine it would be the case, I would probably do it anyway just to be safe

mint pelican
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The desire to start

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But the desire for bug fixes

fringe snow
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honestly even in it's current state it is a lot of fun

jolly otter
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Yeah i'm waiting for mp to get a bit more stable before I set up a semi permanent server for my friends

rotund bridge
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The encouraging thing is that despite the current bugs, It it fairly playable. The main issues that needs to be fixed are the dsync issue causing item duplications, missing muscle strain in combat, odors moodle and weird zombie migration. Then we'll be in a good state

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Also the audio that needs to be tweaked a bit. That would be solid

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after that, they'll be able to work on animals and other things, but the founding blocks will be there

trail crest
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Yah its been relatively bice as far as unstable goes i feel

fringe snow
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don't worry all, they are working on it 😄

rotund bridge
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Definitely. I install a few mods that hotfixes things and I saw an immediate improvement in MP. I can't imagine after the next hotfix how great it'll be

rotund bridge
fringe snow
rotund bridge
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ohhhh

trail crest
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Remmeber when they changed the name cause pz community kept spying lol

fringe snow
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LOL yes

rotund bridge
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I don't lol

fringe snow
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I loved "Get out of here you spy" build

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always made me giggle

rotund bridge
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I loved that the devs are having fun. It shows in the game

fringe snow
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🥹

rotund bridge
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We see it in the flyers, when you read an anoted map

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The texts are absolutely golden lol

trail crest
trail crest
trail crest
inland trout
rotund bridge
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Yup. Most definitely. I can't wait to see the next hotfix. I compared the state of B42 mp with the current state of B41 MP. If they fix what I mentionned in the next hotfix, we'll be almost on par if not better than B41 and that in the lapse of 2 months, which is insane

trail crest
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And the comics! Netal spear quest lol which is lol at thr pz community and the damn spear

rotund bridge
rotund bridge
trail crest
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Ya i never used them in 41 cause how strongk they are , in 42 i tried a few and it was so funny slicing through zombers

rotund bridge
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Yes! And the sound effect of the sword is golden

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So satisfying

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Do you guys think we'll get an hotfix this week ?! I might be over hopeful but we never know

mint pelican
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Tbf i only care about single player

trail crest
fringe snow
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probably warrant 42.14 at that point

rotund bridge
fringe snow
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hot fixes are usually just tiny things that might cause issues, bigger issues usually bump a verison up from my understanding

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but it is all up to how they want to tackle it I guess

fringe snow
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oh my gosh feels so good to be able to use my proper ptt button finally

jolly jolt
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Smelting is def. broke. 😄 You can smelt iron, crucible autofills to 100%.

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o. its on the forums. i need to start checking those 😄

nocturne widget
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Rip smoker trait

wicked talon
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something something negative traits should be negative, not free points

humble fox
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Smoker is still very much free points

white marsh
white marsh
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But it's barely 4 days into the first proper work week after new year

humble fox
woven acorn
pale yarrow
humble fox
pale yarrow
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imagine playing so long you get near your first tobaco harvest and a random zombie tramples your crops

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i'd cry

trail crest
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lol

unkempt swallow
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Not just your tobacco harvests.

fringe snow
# white marsh But it's barely 4 days into the first proper work week after new year

Yea I don't think anything will be instantly released or anything, but should definitely be likely to see at least bug fixes in the coming weeks. Also bumping up the minor (subversion) can happen even if they don't release new features in it, depends on how many fixes are in the pipeline at that current time that they decide to release something.

trail crest
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can we have donkeys and mules, thnx i want a herd of honkers

rotund bridge
#

Morning peeps! What did I miss?

unkempt swallow
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If you don't see any announcements in the #patchnotes , then you didn't miss anything.

rotund bridge
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The conversation is more interesting than the patchnotes 😉

latent gazelle
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The real update is the friends we made along the way

humble fox
rotund bridge
#

I have a quick question for you guys if I may

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In MP, I built a garage with carpentry then I did a second floor on top. When there's a car in the garage and I go to the second floor, when I stop moving and I am ''on top'' of the car, my character goes into pathfinding mode while standing still

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If my buddy remove the car, it comes back to normal. Is it something currently being worked on ?

fringe snow
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spiffo ❤️

fringe snow
#

!bugreport

grim ledgeBOT
rotund bridge
#

Reported on the Steam discussion

leaden nimbus
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i'm over 3 months in to CDDA, i've overcome zero strength, zero fitness, i can slowly but effectively traverse through muldraugh, but the 1 thing i just can't do is find chickens

fringe snow
rotund bridge
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Look at the gated community, there's a house with some chicken, Another place to look for is north of the highway in mauldraugh (Carpenter street I think), there's a farm there

fringe snow
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next to rusty rifle as well has a house with a chicken coop

leaden nimbus
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pretty much all static farm animal spawns are dead in CDDA

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only ones i've found alive are those outside of pen

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i found a group of sheep just roaming around to make butter with, 1 single bull in a trailer

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but it's been bad luck otherwise

rotund bridge
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Look at carpenter street

leaden nimbus
rotund bridge
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Best paint skills XD

trail crest
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i always forget about that place lol

leaden nimbus
# rotund bridge

well i had to leave it alone before, if i rendered it by going to the driveway, chances are they are dead

rotund bridge
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Take a look still

leaden nimbus
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but i can look, but like i said, most static farm animal spawns are dead in CDDA, i'm not sure i've ever seen them alive outside of trailers and random packs on the roads

rotund bridge
fringe snow
leaden nimbus
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i have my work cut out for me just to cross the street currently

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i love that by the time you get to spring you really start to see the overgrowth come out

leaden nimbus
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nothing to show for it

obtuse eagle
leaden nimbus
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yep, no eggs or signs of life

obtuse eagle
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dam

leaden nimbus
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eggs make life much much easier for CDDA, but i guess growing crops is looking inevitable

obtuse eagle
# latent gazelle The real update is the friends we made along the way

hey sully (sorry for ping) but do you have any news you can share with us about the full randomly generated wilderness map that was shared in one of the blogs?
That is one of the things i'm most anxious for besides bows and I was wondering if there's any chances it's still coming now in b42

leaden nimbus
#

has anyone ever found chicken eggs while foraging? i wonder if i could forage a fertilized one

fringe snow
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fringe snow
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but that was 6 months ago, and it doesn't say if they are fert or not

twin maple
trail crest
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they might mean that other one

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wasnt there like gonna be some challenge map or something

twin maple
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But it wasn't supposed to be procedurally generated, was it?

obtuse eagle
obtuse eagle
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can't wait for the procedural wilderness one to do a full naked and afraid run, no zombies just surviving and vibing

trail crest
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i cant wait for the 30 years later one or whatevers

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extra crust !!?!

twin maple
rotund bridge
fringe snow
simple thicket
fringe snow
simple thicket
#

it also seems like when you select a focus, all it seems to do is have a chane to replace what you would have found with something in a different category. this might be wrong, as it could very well also increase the spawn rates when new stuff spawns in. it seems like the best way to forage is going into unloaded chunks

simple thicket
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is leatherworking still broke in MP?

steep kettle
nocturne widget
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survivor houses are enabled by default right?

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havent found one yet and just wondering if i had to enable them in sanbox settings

autumn sentinel
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We have been finding them in apartments, farm areas, and deep residential

nocturne widget
loud torrent
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42.13.1 There is a bug in stamina recovery during MP. When performing actions that require a progress bar, such as reading, smoking, or sharpening a knife, if the action is interrupted and the player stands up, stamina will continue to recover regardless of what actions the player performs afterward.

dense pier
unkempt swallow
leaden nimbus
rotund bridge
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Morning peeps

late scarab
simple perch
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When will a new bug fix patch finally be released?

Animal trailer crash the server, dropping videotapes doesn't work without rejoining, and leather crafting doesn't work, etc.

fringe snow
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they do not give etas

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just know that they are working hard on it

fiery ibex
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"animal hangers" is a new one

simple perch
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trailer

fiery ibex
simple perch
#

yes, cant drop anything, cant drive etc

chilly kayak
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Idk if this is a bug.
In previous versions, items placed on a crafting table weren't collected when crafting. (This allowed you to decorate tables with tools and items.)

Now, when I craft, the character grabs the items and tools, and messes everything up. Is this how it will be from now on?
Because I honestly liked that it didn't grabs the items, so as not to mess up the decorations, especially with the (EXTENDED 3D)

simple perch
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Dead animals are sometimes not displayed, so the trailer appears "empty."

If I then add an animal, it becomes overcrowded an the server crash

neon mango
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What’s the thing

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!bugreport

grim ledgeBOT
neon mango
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Ah hah!

fringe snow
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hmm haven't seen that one yet

chilly kayak
#

wait a minute

simple perch
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nice, so i need mods to fix the bugs for 6 months

unkempt swallow
simple perch
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Yes, there are several mods for that.

trail crest
spiral light
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They are definitely working on it now

rotund bridge
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We gonna have a better update that is significant instead of publishing multiple hotfixes

fringe snow
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I like to keep a rubber duck in a small protective case, because you never know

trail crest
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it needs a dish towel for a planket

fringe snow
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OH good idea

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I will keep an eye out for one

obtuse eagle
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And a cotton as a pillow

trail crest
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lol

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cotton ball pillow haha

fringe snow
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xD purrfect

neon mango
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Has anyone been able to make butter in mp? I've got 10L of cow's milk in a bucket, click craft, wait for the timer, and nothing happens ._.

fringe snow
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yea I have made a ton of butter

neon mango
fringe snow
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worth a shot!

neon mango
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\o/ it worked! wooden bucket 0, metal bucket 1

fringe snow
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oooooo

neon mango
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had to drop the bucket for the liquid to update tho

fringe snow
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yup yup

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that one is a pretty common bug I have found

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maybe report that wood bucket thing though seems like that is unintentional

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if it hasn't already been

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neon mango
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https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/90687-42131-mp-wooden-buckets-with-milk-cannot-be-used-to-make-butter/ just made one lol, couldn't find anything similar when I searched for wood buckets, or buckets

fringe snow
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ahh there we go!

neon mango
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mmmm pie 🤤

simple thicket
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mushrooms that are labeled poisonous are not poisonous sometimes

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also despite having herbalist i cannot see which ones are poisonous (some of them still are because i die slowly)

fringe snow
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!bugreport

grim ledgeBOT
urban dune
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how to use old saves now?

leaden nimbus
hard wedge
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Any easy way to report bugs through discord?

hybrid geyser
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!bugreport

grim ledgeBOT
hybrid geyser
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if you are using mods they will likely cause bugs. @hard wedge ^

hard wedge
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not using mods and there are some obvious bugs, like can't removed plowed land, can't return VHS from inventory, crates from bottom floor visible on second floor etc., like really a lot of them

urban dune
#

does everybody starts with broken hands?

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and all skills nulled?/

leaden nimbus
urban dune
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one bug fiXed many bugs created

leaden nimbus
runic lily
#

just asking to follow news: Did they make any announcement about new patch to fix migration bug? I know they mentioned it will be fixed at next patch somewhere just wanted to know if there is any new information

hard wedge
latent gazelle
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damn it

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!bugreport

grim ledgeBOT
trail crest
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Lol

ivory gazelle
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still no patch?

trail crest
leaden nimbus
# ivory gazelle still no patch?

You're the kind of person who used to comment "what's the music in the video" on YouTube when the video says music in the description

leaden nimbus
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May I suggest that you revoke your own keyboard privileges

trail crest
runic lily
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I mean... being self aware is good 😄

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I saw a post on reddit about them saying migration bug is fixed at next patch but can't confirm and don't know if there are more news if there are I would like to know too

fringe snow
runic lily
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thx

fringe snow
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found it 😄

runic lily
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appreciate it

fringe snow
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❤️ no problem

unkempt swallow
spiral light
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Not the priority right now though

unkempt swallow
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Yeah, it is constructive.

trail crest
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More traits like motion sickness! Its great on the challenge maps

runic lily
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I mean that is a nice thing... people complaining means they care about the game. It is worse when they stop complaining. People will always complain about things they like

latent gazelle
fringe snow
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spiffo ❤️

neon mango
leaden nimbus
trail crest
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Yay

leaden nimbus
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too many people online see a game that doesn't fit their view of how things should be, and instead of trying to be constructive, or simply move onto another game that does, they insist that it should revolve around them and those that are like minded around them, its like some fucking playground mentality of do what the popular kids do or some shit, moronic

trail crest
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Yar, people dont get youre feedback can be very useful, dunno why people cant just step back and take a momenta n stuff before giving it

trail crest
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yay my sisters gonna play pz with me , im gonna run her over

fringe snow
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eggcellent

trail crest
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here try this soup

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lol bugcapoop

fringe snow
trail crest
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"whos talking to me, is that the tv?"

fringe snow
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🤣

fringe snow
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I am so impressed by the work the devs have done on vehicle desync

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it is SOOOO much better than it used to be

trail crest
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Also tried to get her to eat a burnt burger and she was like "no im not eating the apocalypse burger and get sick" lol

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fringe snow
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😍 amazing!

ashen patrol
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glad I got a steam deck yesterday some day I will consider playing PZ with this device.

trail crest
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yay welcome to the steak ddeckers , pz is fun on there i think

ashen patrol
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Oled steam deck is what I have.

white marsh
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the occaisonal hit to the back of the head still happens with fighting desync but it isnt nearly as bad as it used to be

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fringe snow
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🥹

wicked talon
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the day when puppers transcended from a regional threat to global one

trail crest
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i googled this book cause i wanted to see it irl, lol is it real or am i a fart??

mint pelican
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I think there are hornets like that

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The book itself nah lol

mint pelican
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Also Asian giant hornets only get around 2 in

trail crest
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only lol thats a fuckin c130 insect in my book

mint pelican
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So we dont want 10 in bees lol

brazen gate
mint pelican
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I mean tbf medicine definitely needs a rework

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Cooking is fine imo but a slight rework wouldn't be unwelcome

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The issue is how far do you go

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mint pelican
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I mean how gamey do we go

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Are we going abiotic factor level of cooking where we get unique buffs?

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Idk if it'd fit in this gsme

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And I disagree cooking imo is one of the better skills

trail crest
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lol like valheim

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i wanna make chicken tenders!

mint pelican
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Mmm valheim might work

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In truth idk if id change much

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I kinda of appreciate the simplicity

trail crest
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yah same

mint pelican
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Longer mood buffs I think id be good with

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A reason to cook beyond more nutrition sure

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Just don't make it too gamey

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I do worry feature creep might kill this game sometimes lol

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I mean i dont mind it, I just hope its sustainable

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Especially with the team growing

digital star
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tbh i hope the next update will include having compatability with all the mods

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or maybe the mods that were created for B42

mint pelican
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Sadly thats on the modders

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Devs have things to focus on

trail crest
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or like a sweet potato and it takes time for potatos to grow

mint pelican
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Basically you just keep adding features instead of finishing snd polishing

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Which, tbf sometimes is a good thing especially for a gsme like this

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But its only sustainable for so long

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Like a lot of folks think the new skills are "feature creep"

trail crest
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ohh, i think the game really didnt take off both player and getting new talent until 41 makes sense they would rework things and add new stuff or something i guess

mint pelican
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True

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Idk i always worry about things that arent in my control

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Im just waiting for the next patch

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I want to start but at this point might as well wait

trail crest
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ya same, been playing the challenge maps