#Since Last We Spoke

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hearty sapphire
exotic solar
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Would this be a fridoid?

hearty sapphire
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Nope... just a quick blurb

lime horizon
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1_ congratulations to all the new peopels, you guys are growing!!

exotic solar
summer remnant
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unfortunately not a thursdoid post, but still nice to see :).

acoustic sundial
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👍

woeful yacht
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Woah awesome

real sphinx
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Reading this made me think, is there such thing as too many map creators on the team?

hearty sapphire
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Have you seen the size of the map?

real sphinx
summer remnant
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i wouldve expected the current map to last us for a good while

strong island
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thanks for a scoop Sully, not expected or needed, however it is entirely well recieved and wonderful

real sphinx
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The entire east side of the map is so blank, which I know is being worked on for B43 because of NPCs and Fort Knox... but still. That's why I have been trying to remake how I think it would look myself in the time being, because mapping is actually FUN

hearty sapphire
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Thank Will... he wrote it... I just copy/pasted everywhere

strong island
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He? as in Nasko or someone else, i can't see a nod to the writer anywhere

hearty sapphire
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Will is our Creative Director

jaunty valley
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Congrats to all. I do miss thursdoids, though

strong island
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Well, thank will themn for me too, as well as congradulate all of the new team members, newly promoted team members, and for christ sake while you're at, give every TIS member a big sloppy kiss

lime horizon
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😆

real sphinx
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Is this the first time they've confirmed an update time in how long? lol that got me when I read it, early next week!

strong island
lime horizon
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youre cute , this is hwy i love discord over their other social palces lol

strong island
frosty nova
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Part of me is excited to see the the team expand, but a part of me is also nervous about the "too many cooks in the kitchen"

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Am I being a bit of a worrywort?

strong island
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yes, just be happy for them

restive gust
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W project zomboid but now we need multiplayer 🙌

strong island
frosty nova
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I just think to the eventual slowing of funds

strong island
lime horizon
frosty nova
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Time will tell

strong island
lime horizon
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lol

frosty nova
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I find it realistic

lime horizon
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A lot of the people were brought up in blogs last year

strong island
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I recall a few alright

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the Ex mojang members were definitely up there

lime horizon
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Was wondering who Erika was lol i thought it was eris

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so cool 1_

strong island
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Halo Reach is awesome from a Design standpoint, so Christian Allen has my vote of confidence

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Erika what is your favourite addition that you personally have contributed to the Zomboid Map?

livid ether
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Holy crap filibuster rhymes

lilac kindle
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Damn melo and Dylan on the map team

little mantle
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Eyyy great news. Thanks for the Fridoid.

summer remnant
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its not a fridoid

little mantle
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Thanks for the quick blurb then.

lime horizon
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blurbdoid

summer remnant
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blublublu

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🐟

rigid comet
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this totally made my day, best one this month!

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real sphinx
rigid comet
summer remnant
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:D axisExplosion

rigid comet
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soon someone will appear saying that it will be released this year

obsidian epoch
lime horizon
real sphinx
rigid comet
hearty sapphire
lime horizon
lime horizon
obsidian epoch
jolly kindle
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They got filibuster on the team???

rigid comet
jolly kindle
real sphinx
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Finally, car variety! (I'm still using mostly KI5)

faint sundial
real sphinx
jolly kindle
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Car people are gonna be EATING GOOD in future updates

lime horizon
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hahahhaa

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man roadkill is such a nice snack too, i ran over 5 rabbits on "accident" and got some nice rabbit nuggets

rigid comet
real sphinx
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Finally, a car update, please update the mechanics tab and make it harder to maintain vehicles to balance the slaughter machines.

rigid comet
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yesterday I cried because I killed one

lime horizon
rigid comet
dense coral
lime horizon
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i felt so bad lol

rigid comet
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😂 I'm thinking about putting some chickens in my house

lime horizon
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waiting forever and a half for 42 only to run over the first chicken

real sphinx
rigid comet
lime horizon
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ok but the brown ones blend in with the road lol

rigid comet
reef galleon
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Dylan has joined TIS ?
Very happy for him, really love his maps/ Grapeseed and Blackwood were a staple of every playthrough in B41

real sphinx
lime horizon
real sphinx
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I hope they still have enough free time to enjoy continuing support for their mods.

reef galleon
lime horizon
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i didnt have that many map mops but grapeseed was always one i would add in 41

tawny epoch
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Will next week's hotfix for B42 include the most pressing concern: Making it possible to put cheese in omelettes?

faint sundial
# jolly kindle Car people are gonna be EATING GOOD in future updates

The new racecar is pretty cool. I’m thinking I might make a car mod myself:

was thinking about the following in concept:

gallant cossette gt, includes custom livery, spoiler than affects the actual grip in game(i.e +20% to handling) and a hp rating of 770 vs the 570 on the standard cossette. But it’s going to be set on a range of rarity, but as a baseline 10x rarity of standard cossette.

It would also always come with the performance brakes, suspension, and tires.

Similar to the Calloway corvettes irl

obsidian epoch
real sphinx
reef galleon
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🙁

real sphinx
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I don't wanna be a doomer about their mods being updated... but there's a chance they won't be

reef galleon
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I hope someone will pickup the torch and create some maps inspired by their style then. (when the modding tools drop). I have high hopes for the future of mapping 😄

real sphinx
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Ye

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lmao at the original reddit post for this being deleted, what happened there?

hearty sapphire
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? It shouldn't have been

real sphinx
hearty sapphire
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oh that was a duplicate... that was 2nd

real sphinx
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... oh

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Still funny

little mantle
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Game developers vs Reddit moderators civil war?

frosty nova
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So how many people work for zomboid now

safe phoenix
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at least 1

lime horizon
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lol

safe phoenix
lime horizon
hasty jay
proud rose
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Came by to say I absolutely love seeing this type of communication. Please bring this level of communication back. Patch notes are nice, but we miss Mondoid/Thursdoids/etcoids!

quasi garnet
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YES YES A THURSDOID YES

harsh bear
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Even a Monthoid or Quarterlyoid

past sonnet
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2 early mc devs on pz side is fucking awesome ball game

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we in good hands

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god we in good hands

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the pz dev team is the new avengers

hearty sapphire
past sonnet
lime horizon
vague olive
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Do you guys have delivery to Russia or maybe China?

frosty nova
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I suppose more devs could be a good thing in the sense of gettign it out faster

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Hopefully yall are finding some good artists to make more art

past sonnet
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they are cherry picking the best of the best hopefully

lime horizon
past sonnet
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id trust an indie stone rather than a EA

vague olive
frosty nova
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I mean EA has had no trust from me for a decade and a half

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Cant help being cynical these days

vague olive
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it's even a little funny, just yesterday I was sitting and thinking that it would be nice for indie stone to add dlc or something, because I have money, but I don't play anything except Dota 2 and PZ

frosty nova
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Well funny thing this is going to charity

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So it seems they arent currently hurting for money

vague olive
frosty nova
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Ive wanted a supporters dlc

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Just cuz I love the game too

vague olive
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Actually, that's good. Nevertheless, charity is not so bad, there are many problems with this in my region.

little mantle
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You'd have to pay me $70 plus $19.99/hr to play EA games

weak gorge
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Those games are great

slate thorn
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💩

safe phoenix
quartz socket
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Good shit yall

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This is why TIS is one of my favorite sets of devs

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Banger after banger

hybrid maple
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Blog posts? In this economy?

pseudo tusk
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Already accomplished, PZ is by far the best zombie game ever made spiffo ❤️

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SPIFFO BE PRAISED!

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frosty nova
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Maybe the new devs will get bow and arrows working

harsh bear
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Bow and arrow works in Minecraft, so the new former minecraft devs already know how that works TE_WeSmart

lethal panther
pseudo tusk
lunar anvil
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or even like baseballs... rocks.. footballs... records lol

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then add a throwing skill alongside archery/aiming lol

harsh bear
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Throwing HottieZ magazine you say?

lunar anvil
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or I guess it could just be aiming

lunar anvil
weak gorge
ember hull
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I am really happy that Indie Stone is getting new hands to help in development

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But i am, for some reason, scared that the direction of Project Zomboid is going to change

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I literally have zero reason to think so

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but i am scared that PZ might take a slightly more "arcady" route in the future

weak gorge
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So far projrct zomboid is staying in the direction it always should be so.

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Just dont think too much about it is all

ember hull
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Yeah

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You have a point

weak gorge
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The fear is valid at this point its more like paranoia which game is gonna shoot itself in the foot next

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Kind of like in real life

ember hull
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Exactly

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Paranoia

weak gorge
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Best we can do is redirect the paranoia towards the zomboids

steep salmon
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Okay at least we got some type of statement about MP, even if it was one sentence 😏

ember hull
steep salmon
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Debating on buying the new spiffo plushie

weak gorge
steep salmon
weak gorge
steep salmon
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exactly

weak gorge
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They sure give us a lot of time to think it over

steep salmon
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but hopefully it doesn't sell out

weak gorge
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But its a pre order

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It cant sell out lol

steep salmon
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makes me a little more willing to buy with it being so expensive bc of charity

steep salmon
weak gorge
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True that too. We know the devs aint liars

weak gorge
# steep salmon Oh

Yeah, not a bad move on their end since they dont support constant zomboid merch

meager wave
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hiring filibuster rhymes is such a power move from the devs

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crazy stuff

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hopefully we will get animated filibuster rhymes' used cars in vanilla

weak gorge
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It will be awesome

turbid sparrow
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love you guys

pseudo tusk
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❤️

lime horizon
sand terrace
fading kite
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Mojang slowly being taken over by TIS Kek

frosty nova
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Replace with "Indie Stone"

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||I kid I kid||

acoustic summit
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Can I say I am a bit genuinely concerned about Serellan being a design director? Not trying to sound rude or hateful, as I think his mods for Zomboid are interesting and I hope for nothing but the best...but I remember playing Takedown Red Sabre back in 2014...

frosty nova
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There is a good question regarding that and this....hiring and reorg

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Unsure how I feel about it

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I feel as though the game is going to feel different now

acoustic summit
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I hope not, bought Zomboid back when it was only on Desura (and I think I was in middle school at the time). I trust in the dev team, and I'm very happy for all the new hires, just the one name was familiar to me and I had to go back and remember why I recognized it

little mantle
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like it'll be the same game for at least another year before we start feeling the shift

frosty nova
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Some good some bad lmao

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11 years later too

acoustic summit
frosty nova
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Well ill let you have that bone to pick then lol

little mantle
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also from what we've seen, the original TIS dev team is quite stubborn (in a good way), so I have faith that the game won't lose its core identity or anything like that

acoustic summit
# frosty nova 11 years later too

This is true, and I am happy to provide that benefit of the doubt as I'm sure they have changed as much as I have grown (literally) so you're right. I just wanted to express my concern is all

frosty nova
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But i do think the point i brought up does begin to concern me lol

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Guess time will tell

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I just hope we dont have a 7 days to die situation

little mantle
acoustic summit
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Nah, I don't think Zomboid will have that. like Orangutanion said, they are pretty locked in at the core especially with the original Dev team (and the modders I'm sure)

frosty nova
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Devs kept trying to reinvent the wheel

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Changing things and making it less fun

little mantle
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so like paving over existing features with things that people didn't ask for?

frosty nova
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Or making bizzare design decisions

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I guess it just depends whats left

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Npcs obviously

acoustic summit
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I don't think Zomboid will lose it's 'thing', or schtick for lack of a better word. I understand where you're coming from as I guess that shares my concern I mentioned earlier, but I think like you said we gotta give them the benefit of the doubt and see how it goes. I do think it's fair to have concern and voice it however

frosty nova
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Inb4 you get called a pessimist

little mantle
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the biggest problem zomboid will have will be the same problem it's already had: feature creep

acoustic summit
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shrug not at all man, I love this game and I refer to it as the defacto Zombie Game. I think it's reasonable to voice concerns especially in a place dev teams can see it as long as it's in a respectful manner. It's not quite feedback, but it's also not really non-constructive. I hope that makes sense

little mantle
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when the devs get sidetracked on some feature that was not the intended goal of the update and then they push the original goals down the pipeline

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if there are new people added to the team, I could see this happening even more if not managed properly lol

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"So... when multiplayer?"
"Hold on guys, we're adding caves and are doing IRL geological surveys of the Louisville area to make sure that the rock strata on the walls matches real life!"

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that sorta thing

acoustic summit
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Honestly though, I kinda respect the grind of that though haha

little mantle
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I would too it's just how things go with this game

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you never know what'll come out of the next update, even if you're told the original goal xd

frosty nova
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At the same time the constant whining of "when multi-player" is getting rather old lmao

acoustic summit
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I'm thankful we got it to begin with. Most folks don't remember Zomboid was originally a singleplayer game haha

frosty nova
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Oh I do lol

little mantle
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I joined for multiplayer in B41, played it a bit, and then suddenly B42 came out and I got hooked. I am in that new crowd.

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but for most of the time I've played it has been just a single player game anyways

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due to almost exclusively having played b42

frosty nova
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I guess the one saving grace for now is the strong modding community

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So even if (god forbid) the devs screw it up somehow there are ways to make fixes

grand harness
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soo.. mp yes or yes?

pseudo tusk
# little mantle when the devs get sidetracked on some feature that was not the intended goal of ...

Thing about this though, is you have your core dev team working on the main aspects of the game, people who don't have an assigned task will likely tinker on their internal projects until needed. A good example, and I use it a lot, is the fire rework. It has been talked about and videos have been shown since 2020. But Yuri, the dev behind the rework, also has a lot of experience with multiplayer, so that is what they are focused on. I feel like some things that could be seen as feature creep might actually just be passion projects that they were able to get approved and slip in.

pseudo tusk
strange atlas
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I NEED THAT HOODIE SO BADLY

hearty sapphire
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And of course, you can't just throw more devs at core feature.

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jagged token
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So many employee wiki pages to make panic

hearty sapphire
jagged token
trim plinth
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Ah, wow congrats on the promotions and surely positive shuffling! This is a well written piece of news.
Super excited that you mentioned the modding side of things and keep the team growing and happy.
I hope the release of b42 to stable (when ready) will be the commercial and community success we all want 🫶 .

hot moth
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Amazing news, congrats to everyone, can't wait to sink another hundreds of hours into PZ!

whole venture
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Damn Zomboid is really starting to pull in major names to work on it now

frosty nova
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I do hope for good things with these new folks. I just hope the identity of the game remains intact

whole venture
lime horizon
whole venture
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If you have played choose your spawn mod that came out in 2024 you have played with one of their mods. Same with the skyscraper challenge one.

frosty nova
whole venture
frosty nova
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So Ive no clue what to experience feom him

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Yes I looked him up lmao

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None of those mods are familiar to me

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So forgive me if one remains skeptical

whole venture
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Thats fair. They got Fillibuster Rhymes in now too so someone who knows how to mod cars so maybe it means a larger rework is planned alongside what they did in their mod in the official art style. We will have to wait and see what happens.

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Which is specifically why they said dont expect anything during build 42.

frosty nova
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Oh yeah that looks cool

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Like I said im just skeptical of change but we shall see

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As sully said, you cant throw a bunch of devs and expect a full gsme quick

whole venture
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Which is suitable. Give it time to see what happens. It looks like no major changes have really occured yet just structural building for more organised control of outside contractors and internal meetings to relay comms more effectively.

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Having the person who helped to get animals into the game as the main gameplay lead makes sense for B43 development as that is occurring alongside other people working towards stuff for B42.

frosty nova
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Oh yeah most of it im good with

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I guess my concern falls with npcs and the eventual change of game

weary bobcat
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I hate change. No change, ever.

whole venture
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Well thats years away and is related to so many other changes and developments that being concerned with that is niave at this time. The structure is still being built for it. That is why the whole ragdoll physics person becoming the technical lead to work on fixing up and standardising the older segments of the game makes perfect sense as it helps the rest of the team not just modders. It works for everyone to have someone leading that effort.

lime horizon
weary bobcat
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Deciever

lime horizon
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but i dont think they would hire people that didnt share their same vision ontop of adding to it like a caked up frosting with a cherry

whole venture
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Heck once we really see procedural generation outside of the main map that will be interesting we know its progressing at times.

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It means one of the main aspects of a wild primitive start will become fully realised which they are working towards as a main aspect of B42.

weary bobcat
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The Ugga Dugga Days will be beautiful

lime horizon
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you can name your milker mammoth

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uh cow lol

weary bobcat
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I shall name my firstborn The Indie game Store after TIS, and then name every milker out there

whole venture
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Also the aspect of having a lead engine programmer is interesting because I want to see if multi level ramps for cars become realised for B43 which is partially in the code now. That is limited right now due to some engine reasons I think.

lime horizon
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cant wait to see what they do with cars

frosty nova
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Im naming my Milker mammoth mommy

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Well at any rate if it gets b42 to stable faster im hopeful

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I just hope zombojd doesn't sell out and become more corporate is all lol

past sonnet
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i would sell my ass asap for a billion

lime horizon
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money goes bye bye a legacy lives on

frosty nova
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Indeed

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I do wonder how the devs intend to keep all these folks employed though lol

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Money does eventually slow

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Unless you make dlc 😏

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Truth be told im surprised tbere hasn't been a price raise

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The game is certainly worth 30$ at least nowadays

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I wonder how close we are now to b42 stable

past sonnet
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literally 7 days to die

frosty nova
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Well 7 days is certainly not dead

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A shell of its former self yes

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Id hate for that to happen to zomboid

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But i have a little more trust in them than the fun pimps

lime horizon
frosty nova
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But how will they make money

past sonnet
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they didnt have any dlcs

frosty nova
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So skins, merch, and movie deals?

past sonnet
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exclude skins

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is john zomboid actually be a thing in the future?

frosty nova
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I dont think any of those will happen lol

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I did suggest a supporter dlc

past sonnet
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its still more to be like this than adding dlcs that actually change your gameplay yk

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how do you want to do that in a survival game anyway

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pz isnt built for this

lime horizon
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loot boxes

past sonnet
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they should copyright the zombie genre like shadows of war did with the nemesis system

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and boom easy money

hearty sapphire
past sonnet
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bingo

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the red dead money is no joke

lime horizon
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yay money for the scratch tickets

ember hull
jolly surge
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really happy about this news! especially for the great modders! really natural progress. fits the project really well! spiffo 🙂

pseudo tusk
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I wonder how big the dev team is with all these new/newish hires? Last number I recall seeing was 30 (including MP team)

frosty nova
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Gold lord

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I mean I do hope that's sustainable

pseudo tusk
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B41 release gave them a lot of room to expand.

frosty nova
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dunno how many copies they sold so

pseudo tusk
frosty nova
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Yeah steamspy is gone now so cant tell

pseudo tusk
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and personally think that B42 is going to draw in a ton more sales, and pretty sure they are confident with that as well with all the restructuring and hiring

stark juniper
frosty nova
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Shareholders?

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Thats never a good word imo

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Unless those are the devs

lime horizon
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devs

frosty nova
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Huh, well I guess I never knew their names

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I'm not good with business, I find it annoying

safe crest
# whole venture Also the aspect of having a lead engine programmer is interesting because I want...

To realistically implement multi-level ramps and advanced vehicle interactions in B43, the vehicles will require a more accurate collision model rather than the current primitive block-based system. The existing physics framework is insufficient for handling complex ramp geometries and high-speed vehicle dynamics. Additionally, the entire vehicle driving simulation will need to be rewritten to address underlying physics issues; particularly with impulse and torque scaling, which are currently misrepresented, as well as vehicle weights, which are highly inaccurate in the current simulation. Once these foundational improvements are finished, advanced features like multi-level ramps and realistic vehicle behavior can be properly realized.

whole venture
real sphinx
whole venture
lime horizon
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make the racecar fly

real sphinx
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The ramps now are very straight

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Going over 65 results in crashing and slowing down when entering the ramp

whole venture
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I think there is a potential issue with the devs there due to how cars are currently set to only use the base ground floor z level as well at the moment.

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So that is why its one large block. (I can be entirely wrong here)

safe crest
# real sphinx Shouldn't the ramps have more tiles for a smooth entrance and exit for things li...

You are correct, adding more tiles to ramps would definitely help create smoother transitions, especially for everyday vehicle use like parking garages. My previous comment was focused on the deeper physics limitations in the current implementation, which affect how vehicles handle any ramp, regardless of tile count. Even with extra tiles, the current collision model and physics system would still cause unrealistic behavior at high speeds or on complex geometries. Once the underlying vehicle physics and collision model are improved, we can both implement smoother ramps and ensure they behave realistically for all vehicle types.

whole venture
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I also guess that its not on the highest priority but somewhat high due to the behaviour issues of trailers and its likely linked to this fundamental issue with the torque and such.

safe crest
# whole venture I presume this is something someone is investigating already if not working towa...

During preliminary work on implementing ragdolls, I investigated the vehicle physics and uncovered some underlying issues. My initial hope was that simply adjusting vehicle weights to be physically accurate would be enough to maintain stable interactions with the ragdoll system. Unfortunately, achieving this requires a full overhaul of the vehicle driving and handling logic. This is not a trivial task, so it is currently planned as a post-B42 effort.

whole venture
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That makes sense. I wish you luck when it begins. I hope your hair doesnt get pulled out too much when it gets into the nitty gritty math formulas not working at some tests when trying to redo it 😆 .

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Also the ragdoll system is absolutely awesome thank you for doing that 😄

pseudo tusk
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Yes, I love the ragdolls!! Such a great addition 😍

whole venture
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Also I presume the ??? from the roadmap was mainly to do with the ragdoll system for build 42. I presume there are no more massive surprise systems being introduced for the rest of build 42 unstable.

weary bobcat
whole venture
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Huh so back in May they stated they expect (should was the exact phrasing) the full version to release within this financial calendar year. (Its a financial statement and yes this can change dont go wild everyone)

frosty nova
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lol

weary bobcat
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I paid for this fuckin' game to fund the devs getting let loose in the wild to fight animals to get inspiration for the Primitive Update

versed magnet
pseudo tusk
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I paid for this game because I enjoyed the tiny tech demo drunk - everything after that has been a bonus

agile axle
versed magnet
safe crest
agile axle
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excited that its on the table tho

stark juniper
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I think I speak for the entire community when I say that this is exactly the type of info that so many of us missed since Thursdoids were paused. Even better one could argue, since this is a Q&A of sorts. Thank you, it's awesome to get to read these behind the scenes. Doesn't matter one bit if it ends up making it into the game or not. We all understand that current unknowns and challenges may not make this or that doable. But knowing what you guys are thinking and experimenting on about the future of specific areas of the game we all love is just invaluable. spiffo

versed magnet
weak gorge
lapis turtle
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thanks for letting us know you're still alive! (joke, but not the thanks part)

weary bobcat
weak gorge
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Eh

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I guess your best bet is don't read something that looks like possible information

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The way to avoid spoilers

frosty nova
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So is it safe to assume that the stable version will be out when multi-player is out

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I desperately want to play but afraid to start

agile axle
agile axle
lime horizon
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i cant tell if theyre being for real or not lol

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"my mammoth!!"

weak gorge
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Eh they will eventually release it

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For now we wait and shoot zombies while we can alone

pseudo tusk
agile axle
lime horizon
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someone on steam forums said they have been playingw ith infection off in the meantime

lime horizon
agile axle
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lmao sure

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read nicolais other comments here tho that should help

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To break kayfabe, I'm plenty patient for the update. Having a focus on longer-term survival is fantastic, and I am overjoyed at there being actual blacksmithing mechanics in vanilla, even if it is a bid strange that I need to be almost a master blacksmith to put some metal on a stick. I do not mean to begrudge the modders who worked on something similar for B41, but having something be vanilla does mean a lot less potential conflicting issues with other mods. I tend to play with mods that either allow me some measure of self-reliance (Immersive Solar Arrays by Poltergeist ftw, with shitty 90's charge rates) or alters the gameplay completely, like Roxanne's SCP-001 "When Day Breaks" mod, depending on how I want a story to go. The Dev's have the right idea focusing on player's interactivity with the world, which may lead into more diverse stories than the inevitable "huddle in a dark room with cabbages and fish and a mountain of hammers in a dying, silent world" in B41. There being, possibly, a tribe of players who've had a viable build of shunning technology and living in the woods is something I think would be so fun for RP.

pseudo tusk
# frosty nova Honestly, tempting

is it the save file you are worried about? cause you could always move your PZ out of steam so it doesn't auto update. Then you can be like me 😉

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what the hell lmao

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eh a little

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but probably could do that lol

lime horizon
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thats like the guy that loots corpses and puts all their loot ontop of each single zombie in a line , in pz chat lol

pseudo tusk
lime horizon
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i wish i could be organized like that

pseudo tusk
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only on my computer, irl my life is chaos lol

hearty sapphire
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🤣

lime horizon
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lol

weary bobcat
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When is TIS gonna update the game to first person already

pseudo tusk
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That is slated for build 69

lime horizon
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it already is in another timeline coolcaco

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oh my gosh that caco xD I love it

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i am late to the talk about Serellan, but a game failure is rarely the fault of just one singular designer, usually the problem lays way further up, so atleast give them a chance to show what they got kermit

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But yea in general I am ok! I just love this game 😎 and the community

fading kite
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wow i just looked at the financial filings, thats just from zomboid or is there also some contract work going on because thats pretty impressive

pseudo tusk
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Just zomboid I believe!

fading kite
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602k british pound in wages, whew

pseudo tusk
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Split between 30+ people

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but also, the earnings in 2023 being as high as they are is pretty impressive considering its was the time period where there werent really a lot of updates (i know, the blog posts, but I mean actual ingame updates)

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up here that would cost a fortune still sadly 🙁

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yeah... real estate is stupid expensive, which is still why i dont get how large companies dont want to downsize with WFH, have a small office for the people that want to work in a office otherwise everyone works from home

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alone not having to pay for facilities

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I don't know about a lot of companies but I remember a friend of mine was forced back to the office because they didn't want the building sitting empty and they didn't want to break their lease

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but totally agree WFH is best

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which lead developers to move obviously away from the high cost area where the studio was located

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pearl nexus
little mantle
weary bobcat
little mantle
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gigadollar

frosty nova
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That joke went over my head when I was young

edgy granite
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rhymes cars but no ki5 cars? wild

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weary tartan
edgy granite
lime horizon
exotic solar
lime horizon
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same here , was pretty much the only vehicle mod i would use because of the style

exotic solar
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I mean most of my mods are cars, so I had a lot of KI5 ones too

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Exactly, now with the animated one is even better

lime horizon
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was fun playing with cyttoraks i forget some super car lol but i crashed with that and was just like nah lmao

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real sphinx
weary tartan
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Yes...and i find them too realistic

real sphinx
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So they MUST be planning on reverting the new fire look, or downgrading it a little, if they're not gonna bring on KI5 surely

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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurely

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Nope...i just told what i think, i didn't say the should pick fili instead of ki5, but my opinion is just fili's ones are more vanilla and i prefer it, if tis will prefer ki5 is ok I'll still play pz.

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If they gonna change the fire png i gonna be happier but is not a huge deal.

real sphinx
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Well it's either they plan on graphically updating the game or not, but it's super unclear when they make decisions like this

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Consistency

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Sure to be honest i like the actual style... it's a sort of distinctive style

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So far if they hired fili maybe it's because they like his style.... Maybe one day they will hire ki5 tonwork along with fili for something new, but i doubt they will switch again completely the graphics engine

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HOW AM ONLY SEEING THIS AFTER MRATOMICDUCK MADE A VIDEO ON IT?!

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lethal panther
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he prob meant the Fridoid/blog post

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😲 missed this, already is the best zed game of all time ❤️

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@hearty sapphire , the update was appreciated <3

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Thanks for Making B42 Sully

hearty sapphire
lime horizon
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😆

weary bobcat
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Where mammoth

pseudo tusk
weary bobcat
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🔥

lime horizon
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me when i see your mammoth

lunar anvil
exotic solar
lime horizon
earnest helm
exotic solar
weary bobcat
lethal prawn
lime horizon
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Multiplayer*

lime horizon
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People that want mp arent going to care how many sentences there are until it says mp is released or its coming out next week

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jagged token
lethal prawn
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??????

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😂😂😂

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Ok, sure bud. Whatever you say

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The blog is about new devs and what theyre doing. Has nothing to do with multiplayer or any other system.

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lime horizon
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LOL

hearty sapphire
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possibly biggest hiring blunder of all time

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clearly our background checks aren't good enough

real sphinx
hearty sapphire
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but who is going to run your background check?

real sphinx
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trust

hearty sapphire
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But we haven't hired you yet...

real sphinx
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You already have, you just don't know it yet

hearty sapphire
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oh okay, carry on then

real sphinx
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What was that lol

hearty sapphire
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what was what?

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I didn't see anything

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hmmmm

earnest helm
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Human Resources that background checks themselves? There has to be a pun in here somewhere.

HRoboros? 🐍 ♾️

lime horizon
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Oh if they are hiring, pick me pick me! I am basically dead weight, but I can shill

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I spam everyone I know every time there is an update and or it goes on sale

lime horizon
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lol but i can shill

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😁

weary bobcat
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lethal prawn
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Yeah, the employing people part is the majority of it, but still, not all.

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lethal prawn
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I dont know what to tell you man, this clearly wasn't a development blog it was about the new hires. You even got an update about multiplayer being focused on and still want decided to and complain that it wasn't enough. Wait like the rest of us or play a different game dude

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For real, beware the Backrooms of Project Zomboid.

I no-clipped through a wall in a Tim Hortons, and found myself in an eerily liminal never-ending labyrinth -- now I do QA there.

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Man I miss Tim Hortons...

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lethal prawn
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Genuinely jumps to conclusions

hearty sapphire
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Okay, time to step in here. Calvy has been nothing but respectful, and has shown no indication of not being calm. I'd advise not continuing this conversation further. You disagree, that's fine. Time to move on.

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weary bobcat
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lime horizon
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spiffo ❤️

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so proud of you guys 1_

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weary bobcat
quasi garnet
lime horizon
karmic basalt
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If thats gonna be teamfight i wanna be with Puppers.

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I will go with nicolai

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we can have 2v2 fortnite boxfight

karmic basalt
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No, no, no... It's going to be irl, bare hands like in Mortal Kombat, when first is down, the other one comes in!

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lime horizon
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our chickens vs his mammoth

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Can we make wool coats

exotic solar
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imma file a report like i did with leon

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weary bobcat
strong island
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😆

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Let me see..... ahh here it is, say's here that recently you've been, and i quote "a big stupid stinky poo poo brain bozo pants" now of course we care about all our employees but you see, but this really does put quite a stain on our reputation

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tut tut tut You can see the position this puts us in can't you.... ||we have no other choice||

weary bobcat
strong island
exotic solar
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strong island
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Oh and also one last thing, tho i think Benson would like to tell you this one

exotic solar
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not again

weary bobcat
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Metal beast furs are very cold in winter, would not recommend

fading kite
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can also add some fiberglass insulation, have fun touching that

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too many cooks

real sphinx
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I just wanna point out that this steam post had the most likes of any post made by you guys on steam since the B42 unstable release announcement wink wink

weary bobcat
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I disliked it

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Explicitly to show my disdain for knowledge

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FINALLY HIRING MORE PEOPLE, the game's development has been going at a snail's pace and considering its scale, it'll finally it speed up, so glad about it

versed magnet
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Apologies if you weren't being aggressive but snail's pace feels a bit over the top

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Talking about how development up to this point has taken 13 literal years.

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To me, this fact doesn't look amazing

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Game was out before on steam, but still, feels like a cop out to ignore that their working environment is also regarded as one of the least crunch based, so if time means better employee treatment, I think I can take that sacrifice.

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versed magnet
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yeah it is a passion project for them and they've been releasing updates for the upcoming full release of B42 often, I admit that

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Also, on a more joke note, I can imagine the older devs are getting somewhat sick of it, but they clearly want to fill out up to that B48 possible full release roadmap before going onto something else.

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versed magnet
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you're right about that, unfortunately

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I do think I've heard TIS being very close to just selling PZ and being done with it at some point

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would be too good of a reality if someone who can actually push out a viable product in less than 13 years did it

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native mantle
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versed magnet
# native mantle would be too good of a reality if someone who can actually push out a viable pro...

I am a fan of Hytale. At this point, my only hope is for the original owner to buy it back off of riot games. I waited from 2017, and was absolutely gutted when they were cancelling it this year.
I would put it this way: If I never get to play it, will I be forever effected? No. But the promise was always there, sitting there for it to be delivered. So I understand completely what long development can do. But PZ is released. I can play it today and enjoy it. My hours say that I have. So I would take another 13 years of playing than 13 years of waiting.

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Yeah, there is definitely some strange expectations put on EA titles. Steam is very clear that when you buy an EA title you buy it in its current state, which is why most EA titles release at a lower price point than a 1.0 release.

I don't think it can be argued that PZ in its current state isn't a "full game", well worth the price tag. And it always baffles me that people complain that we're still adding more to the game. Like, yes, it's not done, but the only reason it's not done is because we decided we wanted to keep adding more. We could have stopped, released 1.0 back with B38, or hell even earlier, and that would have been that. The 1.0 tag is completely arbitrary.

Yeah, updates can be slow, there are several reasons for that, but it always baffles me when people complain that the game won't be finished until they're 70/grandparents/dead/etc. Like, why is that a bad thing? Why is it bad for a game to keep adding content for you at no extra cost until you're 70?

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If you release 1.0, I will light my copy of the game on fire out of protest. Change scares me, and thus is bad.

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The main reasons why updates are "slow" is because 1: we don't crunch and never will, and 2: Project Zomboid is just an incredibly complicated game. There are just so many fine details that so many people just take for granted. It's an incredibly ambitious game, and it's those fine details that makes it as good as it is

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That's fair, and obviously I don't understand the complex nuances that go into developing a game like zomboid. I just see what other games are able to put out in a much smaller time frame and use that as a point of reference for why I believe the updates take too long to come out.

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Reminds me of this xkcd comic.

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hearty sapphire
# real cloud So you’re saying if you had a team of 50 instead of 10 that game would be progre...

There's a common saying in software dev. What 1 dev can do in 1 hour, 2 devs can do in 2 hours. There's a real "too many cooks in the kitchen" issue, but that's not what I was alluding to here. We are hiring more people, and that allows us to work on more features simultaneously which can increase the frequency of updates, but the problem isn't "we need more money to hire", we have the money, it's a matter of finding the right talent. We've picked up some of that talent now to help, but yeah, having DLC isn't going to help.

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hearty sapphire
lunar anvil
storm nest
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Makes sense, the reason I bring up paying more is because you mentioned "Why is it bad for a game to keep adding content for you at no extra cost until your 70?". Wanted to state that I would happily incur an extra cost because I believe the game is amazing and would love to play b42 with friends

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storm nest
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Appreciate the responses so far though

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real cloud
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I’m not sure I follow. So because you aren’t charging for content no one can be rightfully upset at the pace it’s being developed at?

hearty sapphire
real cloud
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Ah I see

weary bobcat
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The jump to UE5 also slowed development last year or so due to that and then resolving issues created from that too.

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If you want a proper spagetti situation go look at stellaris from paradox.

lunar anvil
lunar anvil
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The game is still "good" but it needs a proper year of pure code clean up. I think its new planet UI actually lags the game when opening it now 😆

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Im just glad tis focuses on one "thing" because i have been playing this other ea game and theyre just all over thenplace with goals. Doing console before its out of ea which has been annoying and caused lots of bug issues . I dont wanna bad mouth its just aggravating and like they have adhd lol

weary bobcat
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The real issue with indie game development is that you start with 100 programmers and you need to have them fight to the death until the last group of atleast 4 win.

weary bobcat
lunar anvil
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It depends. Indie is anything from solo developer to a single AA game studio with a lot of devs that is majority owned by its founders.

lunar anvil
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Pioneers used to ride these babies for miles!

hearty sapphire
weary bobcat
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I want TIS to behave like every other game company, and then I will complain ferociously about them making bland games like every other game company.

weary bobcat
lime horizon
weary bobcat
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If update 42.12.4 doesn't model every air molecule, I will shit

lime horizon
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Ok but i do love skyrim glitches idc lol

lime horizon
weary bobcat
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A game so unfathomably complex, my CPU bursts into flames if my mouse so much as hovers over the play button.

hearty sapphire
weary bobcat
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I want TIS to develop an AI, an actual one, not the LLM bullshit, name it Durandal, and then have it control the doors.

weary bobcat
hearty sapphire
weary bobcat
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A genuine cackle so loud and deranged that it scared both me, a big grug, and the pups, who are our mighty wolves.

lime horizon
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Wtf l is a big grug

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Is that ur dogs name

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Big grug ahahhaha

weary bobcat
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Nah, my pups are Boris, Persephone, Willow, Cassian, and Scrappy. Mighty wolves, all.

lime horizon
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Can youbtype slower

weary bobcat
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No

lime horizon
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Lmao

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Ok big grug

weary bobcat
lunar anvil
weary bobcat
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🔥

lime horizon
lunar anvil
lime horizon
earnest helm
lime horizon
real sphinx
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There are 2 blanks in that message, the answer is no

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update confirmed

weary bobcat
lime horizon
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Darn i restarted my discord

reef hornet
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Hey. I love that there are new people in the team. Much love

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Make this game better so i can play more and get more addicted to it

lunar anvil
strong island
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@hearty sapphire unrelated, but Palword just won the lawsuit, do you think Indie Stone will congradulate them, this huge news for the indie scene

weary bobcat
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With Palworld no longer fighting a lawsuit, now it's up to TIGS to fight them to get into the semi-final bracket.

hearty sapphire
trim plinth
strong island
trim plinth
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Ok. Didn't mean to attack you or smth.

lunar anvil
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It’s a good precedent. PZ could easily have been in the same problem if someone had patented ‘shambling undead trying to eat brains’ or some shit

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Or it would have simply never been made

pseudo tusk
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Imagine if AMC did that due to TWD tired unhappy ded

weary bobcat
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TWD is misery done wrong. PZ is misery done right.

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I refuse to elaborate.

pseudo tusk
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This is just the first time that its been announced on a blog

agile axle
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there were other blog posts mentioning hiring ppl i swear. but yea even without announcments if uve been around long enuf uve noticed more modders names turning red xd

weak gorge
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Yup

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Its good they add true talent to their arsenal.

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Best way to ensure your people do their job. Make sure they already were doing it well beforehand

weary bobcat
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In yet another devastating blow to the community, TIGS poaches innocent modders and turns them into programmers. Horrifying.

pseudo tusk
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Always been the way

weary bobcat
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Was trying to make a joke about it being like a virus, but alas the joke is past my ability.

pseudo tusk
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Pepperidge farm remembers when RJ made farming as a mod and basically the next day he joined the TIGS and implemented it into the base game with more features

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drunk fair

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I have not had caffeine yet stressed

lime horizon
agile axle
pseudo tusk
lime horizon
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were getting spoiled with talent guys

agile axle
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are u... one of them

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real

lime horizon
earnest helm
pseudo tusk
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sometimes I wish we still had access to the old forums, I am pretty sure I was like 3rd or 4th post on that mod thread and I said "in b4 RJ is hired"

lime horizon
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lol

weary tartan
lunar anvil
weary tartan
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they are not broken some of them are very wrong

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i wrote a suggestion

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there are many veggies are not in the right planting seasons

weary tartan
lunar anvil
weary tartan
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sure the problem is we don't have any veggies for autumn

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Harber just told me to write a suggestion and he gonna look to it, it's just a suggestion if they gonna find interesting is ok otherwise is still ok

weary tartan
lunar anvil
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What can you plant in autumn irl

weary tartan
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so u can plant many things cause some veggies can be planted two times in the year without a green house

weary tartan
lime horizon
lunar anvil
weary tartan
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also

lunar anvil
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Which I think is the only ones, radish too but they are useless lol

weary tartan
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they can be used to feed animals XD

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like the turnip in the middle ages

weary tartan
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i also wrote a suggestion for the hunting mechanic, but is not so popular so probably nobody read it

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i quite don't like to see herds of rabbits, roaming around

lunar anvil
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@lime horizon Did you know they put a photo of you in game?!~

weary tartan
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there is anice game rimworld style about scotland in the 1300 called Clanfolks

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and there the rabbit hunting is quite realistic

lunar anvil
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Yeah I love that game!

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I just wish the visual were a tiny bit better

weary tartan
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yeah mee too

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but it's quite realistic that why i like it alot

lunar anvil
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Yeah me too honestly. Some of the visuals are just too gratting and inconsistent for me, I think they could be made simpler and better looking

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I loved the farming it was cool to see your guys watering, fertilizing, planting etc

weary tartan
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yeah and also keep the plants clean from weeds

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farming in pz could be improved with some extra maintenance

lime horizon
# lunar anvil

lol i thought that said committing three deeds im like wth is that

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lime horizon
weary tartan
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the indoor farmign have a box in the settings in sandbox

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the snails i see that they had some problems

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and they took out for now the mechaninc

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i also hope they will add that rabbit can ruin our crops

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at home i have to take some of them ou

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pastel gorge
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Anyone know what's next on the roadmap after MP? Seems like we're nearly caught up with that blog post.

karmic basalt
weary bobcat
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My expectations are incredibly low for NPCs in a survival game, but if anyone could pull it off it'd be The Indie Game Store.

runic bane
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when mp?

pseudo tusk
runic bane
weak gorge
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The animals are really complex too not just bits that walk in circles. They have full on genomes with dominant and recessive traits that determine their personality and stats, and can mutate rarely

weak gorge
jagged token
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Haha not that kind of mutate

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atleast that was the last info I remember

weary bobcat
lunar anvil
fading kite
real cloud
lunar anvil
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Then with MP you need clients and the server to agree on where those fast moving objects are in that 3D space so that when it potentially hits a player it feels right. Most games with all this stuff already built in have issued here if your connection is slow etc.

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Is just speculation I’m sure it’s a different reason to be honest lol.

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most of the tiles are 2d, only cars, avatars, zombies and item models (when put on the ground or held) are 3d

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so its not completely impossible to just add a flying 3d object, but i assume they want it in a balanced way so it arcs down after a while instead of you toss that thing and it just surrounds the earth a few times

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thats a tad more complicated than just a 3d model

lunar anvil
real cloud
lunar anvil
# real cloud Isn’t this already solved with cars?

I'd say a) it isn't perfect even with cars, you can see them popping and stuff in MP, and b) with projectiles they move a lot faster, and the margin for error on if they hit is much less forgiving. But again its speculation

real cloud
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Makes sense

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Physics is hard, it's like maths but worse

lunar anvil
pearl nexus
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That was me!

lunar anvil
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at least one person caught the joke haha well done

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lunar anvil
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worst place to do physics

weak gorge
# pearl nexus That was me!

honestly you guys just need to add some more newspapers. I loved reading those, also another cool thing I feel like you probably already thought of is random notes that we actually could read instead of being told its of no interest, same for maybe random survivor channels too in the future to promote a new way to find survivor homes throughout the world.

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for the radio obviously

fading kite
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I think Pat's currently the only writer

lime horizon
weak gorge
weak gorge
fading kite
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i imagine more lore/writing stuff would happen with NPCs considering what they want them all to be able to do

lime horizon
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I think it was humanize zomber a little , just like how we can find some with pictures on thrm

weak gorge
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but half the time I don't have a shovel

lime horizon
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Ya, same

weak gorge
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if they let me look at it the empathy will probably make me do it for sure

fading kite
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meanwhile: causing a minor mass slaughter at the local gas station for some gas

lime horizon
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Never felt like that about a zombie in 41, its pretty neat, such a small object can cause that feeling

lime horizon
weak gorge
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and if they add sometimes for them to have a "Last words" note

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damn it will be peak

fading kite
weak gorge
fading kite
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the systems already there, extending it to include it wouldnt be too hard

weak gorge
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then even better its just the writing down part

fading kite
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i have misused the flyer system for a sort of TCG already

weak gorge
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another cool thing is they might just have a note with written location of supply cache

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at a rare occasion

fading kite
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thats annotated maps

weak gorge
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I just want more ways to find survivor homes than just the annoted maps

fading kite
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but if you dont have a sheer volume of those notes, you'll just see the same note on hundreds of survivors, that'll absolutely break immersion

lime horizon
weak gorge
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It honestly just requires a few days of thinking

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it will be a bit annoying but it won't be too difficult

earnest anchor
lime horizon
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Lol

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Ao many lv annomaps

slow drift
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would be nice if the annotated maps were like 80% or so localised to the area you're in and maybe 20% or something of a different area.
Maybe ones found in cars have a higher chance of being from a different area 😅

earnest anchor
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That sounds a lot better honestly

weak gorge
past sonnet
pastel gorge
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Coffee liquid transfers out of mugs when

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On the real thought Id rather have bow and arrow then multi-player. Sounds so cozy.

lunar anvil
ember hull
lunar anvil
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lowkey TIS feels like Dutch sometimes except them come through

pearl nexus
lunar anvil
violet ingot
obsidian epoch
lunar anvil
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Maybe next week boys

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That will be 9 weeks between minor versions, which I think is the longest it’s been before

lunar anvil
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Which means next week might be PZ update, stellaris update and bannerlord dlc drop lol

brisk lake
jagged token
lunar anvil
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Obviously very appreciated but I dont think it resets the count on time since minor versions that often have 100+ lines of changes

pearl nexus
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Count what you like. The time will pass anyway.

lunar anvil
frosty nova
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I cant wait to go to reddit and hear people complain

earnest anchor
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You right...

lunar anvil
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Nobody tells me how to count my own numbers!

light ermine
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Nobody tells me how to time my own time!

runic bane
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18 december will be 42 mp

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i think so

jagged token
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That's a big call

runic bane
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It'll come out when it's ready to come out. There's a whole development team working on it

runic bane
strong island
storm nest
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Faith it seems

lunar anvil
cerulean grotto
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kinda lame they stopped doing monthly updates at all

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makes the game seem completely dead

dreamy parcel
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Not getting an update in a month is not an indicator for a dead game especially not for a "completely dead" game. Coding needs time.

Bridge the time with other games or try out different mods but let them cook.

dark monolith
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Honestly I just enjoyed the lil written updates to read. The lil goofs they add and how excited you can tell they are. Fun read.

dreamy parcel
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I was talking about an actual game update. Talking about the regular blogposts: As far as I know, they are only paused to use the resources for working on stable

hearty sapphire
# dreamy parcel I was talking about an actual game update. Talking about the regular blogposts: ...

Correct. Thursdoids are temporarily paused because currently the amount of effort they take would slow down development, the type of updates you would get would be less exciting because it's a lot of polish (which unfortunately takes a lot of time in development) rather than exciting new features, and patch notes do a lot of the talking already. Thursdoids returning is something we are keeping in mind at all times though, and we look forward to them returning

jagged token
hearty sapphire
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My leave is assigned to me lol, I get a piece of paper in September that tells me when my annual leave is next year

hearty sapphire
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yeah I remember when I was living in Canada I had literally 0 holiday, they just paid out the legal requirement of 4% (or 2 weeks) per year, and that was it. Was expected to work every day. Moving to the UK is was a drastic shift where you're forced to not work lol. As much as I complain about it here, they do labour laws right

jagged token
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Man I thought Canada had pretty good workers rights

hearty sapphire
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Canada has shit worker rights. It depends on what province you live in, but yeah, you can be terminated with no reason given, and 2 weeks holiday, that your employer doesn't even need to allow you to take (they can just pay the value of it out instead). It's pretty nuts. 28 days in the UK is the mandatory minimum, and most employers offer more than that.