42.10.0 UNSTABLE Released

[abstract terrace]

nope

[hardy kernel]

43 mp?

[abstract terrace]

if there was, it wouldnt be obscurely hidden in the patchnotes.

they will make a big announcement for it once its ready

[fleet scarab]

that's really hyper sad to have nothing about MP since 7 months

[ashen compass]

There's nothing to say, there needs to be a stable build first

[spare nacelle]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/0/563626407201131582/

[quiet hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-gif-5179397802759562820

[sweet bone]

will we be getting animations for cars in this update? seems appropriate

[simple nova]

I hope we get something a bit more meaty than that TBH. I would also imagine the animation team busy with other tasks with higher priority than that... Like you knows ragdoll tweaks and animations for crafting timed actions

But who knows... Wouldn't be first time TIS surprises us

[sweet bone]

it's been a while since they've announced vehicle upgrades for us and I don't think it would take that much time to animate cars doors and characters getting in
though detailed interiors and transparent windows would make it a bit worse

[simple nova]

Well, can't wait to find out 😊

[sweet bone]

I mean, when we were teased with grabbing corpses the devs were doubtful about whether we get it in B42 at all

and in 42.10's changelog we found out that something really big is coming

[simple nova]

Wells you just said yourself that animations would not be that big eheh

For big, I would expect something like archery...machines... Proper food preservation

[sweet bone]

exactly
to be honest day 1 b42 unstable was so big and they should get us even more content by the time stable gets released

[simple nova]

There's no question we'll get a lot more by the time we reach stable

[livid belfry]

We already got animations in cars.

[sweet bone]

where??

[abstract terrace]

we dont bro

stop the cap

[livid belfry]

What? I thought the dashboard is considered animations.

Doors closing and opening. Are those not in Build 42? I can't test at the moment, but I do recalled the doors are opening perfectly fine.

Opening and closing trunks, also not in?

[cursive vessel]

Think there is a mod that does animations of car door, hood, trunk etc.

[abstract terrace]

no lol, we dont have animated car doors, trunks, nothing.

[buoyant shoal]

He is probably confused with Ki5's

[abstract terrace]

me when PZ players get so used to their mods they consider them vanilla

[livid belfry]

Well damn....

[warped seal]

I play split screen on my tv
Pretty fun

[robust garden]

they arent implemented yet in vanilla but they do exist

animated cars and 3d interiors exist for b42 but only in debug mode

[livid belfry]

Good to know.

[still badge]

theres also the vanilla vehicles animated mod

[sleek bane]

Oof, just tried welding and realized it's now super hard to level. I might need to restart and change the xp for disassembling.

[earnest heron]

Actually, I’m kinda curious about Bob and Kate’s story. I really hope it’s gonna be something that shows how brutal this world is and really hits the player emotionally. People kinda forget about it, but if the story mode in this game ends up being well-written, it could actually be something great.

[robust garden]

Bob n kate died

Bob turned into a zed and ate kate u can find their house and bodies in b42

[earnest heron]

I know we’re still far from actually playing that story mode, but a well-told story can really make a difference. I love Zomboid for the sandbox, but having the chance to tell an emotional story in this world could add a whole new layer of depth and help people really understand what PZ is all about.

[robust garden]

Zombified…

[earnest heron]

Oh

Okay lol

[robust garden]

Yeah their story ended

Title screen shows bob eating kate

U can find their house with their zombified selves

[earnest heron]

You think they’ll ever actually make a story mode? I feel like maybe they dropped the whole Bob and Kate thing to do something more interesting? But that’s just my delusional conspiracy theory lol.

[robust garden]

no

[robust garden]

Bob n kate were only introduced for worldbuilding

[earnest heron]

Okay

[sleek bane]

Course this was written up ages ago, so take it with a heavy grain of salt.

[earnest heron]

Yeah, i saw this somewhere. Maybe this was the reason that thought was in my head

And this maybe

Anyway we will see

[livid belfry]

This is when Build 45 comes out.

[abstract terrace]

Go on highways and dismantle the car wrecks piled up near intersections

I burnt through like 6 propane tanks already but with a skill book you can level it up fairly ok

[empty apex]

Like, does this mean eventually we will have the military show up

After surviving for awhile

they return to try and contain the situation

[ancient iron]

guys, can zombie penetrate that fence?

[robust garden]

Yes

Will take weeks tho

Or alot of zombies concentrated on it at once to topple it over

[abstract terrace]

zombies can eventually take down wired and tall wooden fences, it will just take a long time if its only a few

but if youve got a horde pushing it down, then it will break fairly quickly

[earnest heron]

I think the military will be more like a group of scattered soldiers forming a faction, rather than a government organization trying to help. They’ll just stick to their own group, like any other survivor in the post-apocalyptic zombie world.

[hardy kernel]

Id rather have an ETA and be disappointed than no eta at all 😭

[abstract terrace]

id rather have nonexistent expectations and be pleasantly surprised when news do happen to come

[spare nacelle]

If only that were true for the entirety of the community. Unfortunately it's not.

[lunar ivy]

I’d rather

!dance

[odd plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[desert dune]

!twerk

[abstract terrace]

crazy

[mint pasture]

Do you guys feel like we might have multiplayer beta before the end of this year?

[spare nacelle]

The last time Lemmy made a vague estimate like this the community lost their minds. I'm not going to fall for it.

[mint pasture]

Fair enough

[ashen compass]

Sully aint joking, the b42 estimate of "first half of the year" had people turning up on literally july 1st to complain that it wasn't out in the "promised" time limit

[keen wharf]

indiestone is going to shadow drop MP some day lol

[lime shuttle]

Well the estimate for B42 MP was "to be out faster than B41" one, so by very end of this year, it'd be just that

but I ain't expecting or waiting for that shitshow to come

[spare nacelle]

WRONG! There is no estimate. Stop saying there is an estimate. No estimates ever.

scream it from the rooftops

[lime shuttle]

I wouldn't have said it if I didn't read it from somewhere, from a mouth of a TIS member!

[spare nacelle]

nope... they're fired, no estimates!

[lime shuttle]

Estimation does not equal to absolute truth, it's just a very uneducated guess!

[spare nacelle]

if only the community saw it that way...

[lime shuttle]

If we agree that there's no estimation from TIS, that every time someone asks for MP, we just tell them "December 2026" or "B43"?

[spare nacelle]

#pz_b42_chat message

[lime shuttle]

If only the community could read...

Amazing, when illiterate is not a very fun trait to take.

[spare nacelle]

In all seriousness though, ETAs are nothing but trouble, and as much as we'd love to give our thoughts, the benefits are just vastly outweighed by the negatives.

[lime shuttle]

I will be hoping the full, stable B42 comes before MP! But since NasKo keeps you under his iron grip of terror, you can't say or emote whether these hopium-addled thoughts are true or false

[minor relic]

There is still a lot of stuff not added to b42 right?

from the list that the devs posted

[spare nacelle]

Well stable won't (or perhaps I should say shouldn't, because who knows what could happen) come before MP.

[lime shuttle]

As far as I know, yeah. Bows, brewing, primitive food preservation and more to come, unless some features were postponed

[keen wharf]

at least we are able to play build 42 before GTA 6.

[spare nacelle]

I don't think it would ever make sense to have the main branch of the game be without multiplayer

[minor relic]

so yeah there is still a lot to add before adding MP, they need to add all of the sp features and fix bugs before introducing mp

at least the updates are coming out every 1-2 months

[spare nacelle]

well to be clear, there are teams working in parallel on single and multiplayer

[lime shuttle]

And with that, the "MP when" crowd just got their beacons of hope re-lit. You have doomed us all!!

[spare nacelle]

they are being developed in tandem

[lime shuttle]

You should really pin the above "teams working in parallel" comment somewhere

[minor relic]

is it being fully reworked or something?

[keen wharf]

its always good to have single player first before MP

[spare nacelle]

B42 multiplayer has a lot of underlying architecture changes yeah, and there is a lot of focus on performance at the moment

[minor relic]

that's nice

[abstract terrace]

god bless Sully for at least telling us something about where the development is currently at

no thursdoids mean we know fuckall about whats going on XD

[spare nacelle]

Yeah, there is talk about bringing them back, but a specific point on when they should be brought back hasn't been agreed to

with how frequent updates have been it's been a bit hectic naturally

[abstract terrace]

I would honestly appreciate even somewhat vague explanations on what is being worked on for new unstable patches and such

like just two rows of text

i believe many people would appreciate that, currently we're just very blind, so to speak

I'm glad for the quite frequent Unstable patches, it just sucks we dont know whats up until we get them

[lime shuttle]

It is nice to know stuff like parallel effort for both modes. Although the pessimist in me has a shadow of "that means stable SP B42 is affected by not being fully focused on!".

Well, all sides should be happier nonetheless!

[livid belfry]

I agree. You really have to follow the Nintendo model for this.

[spare nacelle]

Yeah, I definitely get that. Keep in mind too though that a lot of what is being worked on at the moment is polish and bug fixes, which aren't very flashy in a Thursdoid. We also need to be wary of the community getting enraged because we're "doing nothing".

[lime shuttle]

TIS bricking your Steam account and PC if you spawn in a Sledgehammer?

[minor relic]

the long wait for mp also gives the mods some time to update too

[livid belfry]

I enjoyed that. 😦

[young blaze]

This just means that we're talking into voids though, considering we've talked about it time and time again that the team working on MP was specifically hired to work on that.

[abstract terrace]

true, remaining quiet most of the time is a safer bet i suppose

[lime shuttle]

Probably too much vain effort, to put all this "MP when" data to a separate new "State of MP" channel so people can read all the already stated things about Multiplayer for B42? It is hard sometimes to find an earlier quote to sate all the newcomers with "MP when" 😄

[young blaze]

We've been doing this for quite a while and will always adjust, but currently we have to focus on a lot of areas while growing the team significantly at the same time.

[lime shuttle]

like bullet points: "MP has its own team"

[livid belfry]

Honestly, I wished there is a Spiffo command, like !mp or !multiplayer, and Spiffo would randomly show a GIF saying, "No Multiplayer" or something.

[abstract terrace]

such bullet points could be included inside every unstable patchlog, as a constant reminder

probably wont shut everyone up though regardless

[livid belfry]

"No matter what you do, at least 50% of them will do the opposite".

[young blaze]

No level of presentation will get rid of people asking the same question. You just have to live with that.

No reason it can't be fun with a gif though. Come up with something and ask the mods through the Spiffo bot to add it. 😄

[lime shuttle]

The Homer Simpson GIF where he disappears into the hedge. With "B42 MP" text going in with him.

[young blaze]

Shouting into the void again

smh

These people never learn

https://tenor.com/view/smoking-man-serious-exit-cancerman-smokingman-enigmatic-close-gif-21757973

[livid belfry]

I'm not familiar with the process, but it's cool that there is a way to submit.

When I have the free time, I'll try this out.

[lime shuttle]

Who you calling these people?!?

[young blaze]

Nitro boosters

[livid belfry]

The people from the "These" country.

[lime shuttle]

not my fault I don't read what you type first, then comment. I have a Luna to prepare for future "patch when" photoshoots.

[livid belfry]

I'll see myself out.

[lime shuttle]

This MF NasKo.

[abstract terrace]

fat

10k calories ingame

[lime shuttle]

Anyways, back to the void realm of these mystical "other games" that these devs arrogantly assume people can afford to play instead of whining in Discord about B42.

[lime shuttle]

As soon as cows give the proper 1 million calories

Besides, right now the animal growth rates etc are far faster than realistically, if they ever get adjusted for real, final rates, then having to sacrifice an adult cow for those 1 million calories would become worth it

[abstract terrace]

either the animals are actively mutating or we have to digitally neuter every male farm animal in the game because apparently the chickenpocalypse bug is still present

[lime shuttle]

I've only encountered the opposite. Randomly vanishing animals

[spare nacelle]

Have you encountered this on a new save (since the last update) without mods installed?

[abstract terrace]

i have not, i heard people experiencing it the same exact way recently as i have back in 42.5 though

nonetheless, i remain so paranoid that i dont bother keeping any animals nearby

i just butcher whatever i find and collect all the resources for later

[dusky canyon]

Speaking of polish / fixes, is the muldraugh west farm chicken coop supposed to be empty?

[spare nacelle]

My last hearing of this bug is that it's only reproducible either on old saves or on modded playthroughs. If that is shown to be incorrect I'd love to forward it to the team, but so far we have no examples of it being incorrect.

[abstract terrace]

unfortunately it's a very tricky bug

that much is clear

I have however never modded PZ, all the issues i experience are on vanilla

[young blaze]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/84463-frequently-reported-bugs/

[abstract terrace]

Indeed

I looked there earlier when i was reporting a few smaller unrelated bugs on 42.10

chickenpocalypse, as they now call it, seems to be the toughest nut to crack

[lime shuttle]

The cluck-apocalypse happens by just letting them exist, out of render/while being nearby?

[abstract terrace]

would any of you happen to know if foraging zones naturally "regenerate"?

I.e. after 90 ingame days i can forage and get new stuff in places i've already foraged before?

[lime shuttle]

Doesn't that refresh every 24 hours??

[abstract terrace]

source?

[lime shuttle]

None, I just strongly think thats how it worked at least pre-updated foraging

I have no problems finding things in exact same area every day

even in B42

Depends, I guess, how you define "new stuff". Entirely new loot tables? Like seasonal changes?

[abstract terrace]

seasonal changes already exist, this was in some of the patchnotes

[lime shuttle]

I may be just confused about your exact meaning

[abstract terrace]

i thought (and it seemed as such) that zones you've already foraged in do deplete

and you have to forage elsewhere

[lime shuttle]

I have not had problems with finding something in my early base yards, for example, if foraging every day

but since I have not played B42 since several patches ago, I'll refrain on speculating too much

[abstract terrace]

either way foraging gives you so much stuff that i may live off just that and trapping

I'd do fishing but

[lime shuttle]

Trapping for calories I assume, ze rabbits are really something

[abstract terrace]

after a while of doing that, i found out you absolutely cannot live off of the fish you get

-1 or -2 hunger fish constantly

yes, sure, my fishing may be at 0, but -2 is pathetic

especially considering how lenghty the process is

[lime shuttle]

Did something change then, my fishies are at times the -350 hunger variants - I know they have nerfed fishing a bit along B42, but that much?

well ok, fishing level 0, I usually always have like 1-2 just from the TV shows

[abstract terrace]

if it was -10 up to -20 i wouldnt be complaining

point is, you definitely cannot live off of it atleast for the first few levels

and you need a lot of bait, as well as time to wait for something to bite that bait

its difficult for me to justify sitting there trying to slowly work my way up the skill levels when its so slow

and gives you nothing

you're bleeding your time and supplies dry trying to fish

[lime shuttle]

I don't have the save anymore, several patches ago I was very well off from pre-nerf giant fishes, no weight issues etc. But it has been nerfed.

Sounds like it needs bit of buff

reminds me of B41 fishing tbh, I would just get tiny things that were not worth it xD

[abstract terrace]

maybe the massive foraging buff isnt that bad, they can keep it as is so you get a lot of stuff from it even as a beginner, but they should reduce the xp gains

foraging isnt in a terrible place

fishing seems to be very unattractive though

[lime shuttle]

It be funny to find a big piece of junk and get massive exp...from something you can easily see due its size, and its not even worth anything for survival.

[livid belfry]

OOhhh1

Hoping to see the list expand more over time.

Actually, no, that's a bad thing for TIS.

But it's appreciated for the information.

[lime shuttle]

Probably should not get so much exp from finding things that are not realistically hard to spot. And they should at least count something for survival. Doesn't need to be food specifically, but things like matches, maybe cigarettes (they can be useful for farming). And it would be annoying to set maybe, so your character will understand what helps survival. Perhaps the bigger exp gain from something that doesn't look useful at first, to subtly tell the player that hey, this foraged item might be important.

[earnest heron]

Tbh i don’t care about MP. Just let them cook if you want something good and stop fukin complaining.

It’s unstable, they could have never show b42 to players and don’t care but u can actually play it

I don’t know i think you are just impatient.

I think you’re being overly sensitive.

But it’s just me

If you want a buggy game made quickly and carelessly, then I think everything could just be released immediately. But then you’d cry again that TIS ‘didn’t deliver good quality despite so many days of work.’ It’s kind of impossible to satisfy you.

[near sedge]

fr i can wait

[earnest heron]

My guy 🤝

[earnest heron]

Btw You’re just a bunch of constantly complaining kids, jumping from one excuse to another just to whine. No matter what gets done – it’s never good enough. There’s no pleasing you, because you’ll always find something to nitpick.

[abstract terrace]

a bit aggressive but it gets the point across

sometimes i wanna punch someone for being all sour about it but at the end of the day im also very frustrated

still, i know that indiestone eventually delivers

[earnest heron]

Funny how the loudest complainers always act like the whole world revolves around them. It’s never about real feedback – it’s all just a performance at this point.

[earnest heron]

Exactly. That’s pretty much what I meant – you nailed it.

[robust garden]

hey devs will the next patch brick any saves?

just asking because it feels like the next major unstable could be a big one

[robust garden]

as in cause major changes that require making a new save

[spare nacelle]

You should be starting a new save after every update to the unstable branch. Not doing so can cause unexpected bugs. Whether you want to put up with that is up to you.

[robust garden]

alright

[soft schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/catjam-gif-10178102486865202192

[fresh night]

what if you could temp export character skill level and stuff from a save during unstable to allow people to bring their character into a new save even if loading their old save isnt possible

[simple nova]

if all you care is your XP, you can do that yourself in debug by just give yourself the levels you had in previous save

[fresh night]

idk bases are trivial now imo with building craft

easier to construct than base game

[buoyant shoal]

I had to decrease the multiplier to 0,5

because of the huge amount of stuff on the ground now

[simple nova]

Same here, foraging is indeed too easy to level

[buoyant shoal]

makes sense because the affinity tiles work nice

if you forage over some bushes you will find insects, herbs, small plants

which is simulating IRL foraging

xp gains should be lowered

[earnest heron]

True. This is too easy to lvl up

[mint pasture]

What is this build focus on again

[mint pasture]

Sorry I meant b42.10 what does this was do exactly like was it patch fixes or did it add anything

[abstract terrace]

#patchnotes message

[amber surge]

Really enjoying build 42, been getting in it with the kids split screen and they love it too. Wondering why we haven't been getting thurdoids anymore? Really missing the updates every week.

[keen wharf]

I miss the thursdoid blog posts

[abstract terrace]

the B42 patches themselves replaced them for the time being, i assume

one could speculate that they cant do both or it would be seen as redundant, but i still want thursdoids back

[vernal slate]

Is it worth it to play Build 42 yet? I haven't because i want to wait till most bugs are fixed and mostly for the main features?

[soft schooner]

For now the patchnotes are doing the talking. AmazingSully said the other day there was talks of bringing thursdoid back in some form but they have not figured out when or how that will look

[soft schooner]

I've had a ton of fun with it, lots to do and learn. There is some bugs but I haven't run into anything game breaking since it released onto unstable in December.

I've had more crashes in 41 than I have in 42 (neither of which was any sort of frequent except for the crash on sleep bug which was fixed)

so overall it is a good time imo

[quiet hemlock]

It moved again

[earnest heron]

🥹

[abstract terrace]

Very fun, much more content than b41, but theres some bugs

99% of the time its nothing gamebreaking though

The thing is that we get a patch every 3 weeks to every 2 months and playing on a outdated save isnt recommended

So you'd have to play fast

[buoyant shoal]

yes it is ok now, it's playable

although my blacksmith exploit is gone......

[soft schooner]

🤭

[buoyant shoal]

and they now offer me a crucible with steel instead of iron....they're good people but the currency conversion is off the charts :)))

[rocky gorge]

How recent is this?

[spare nacelle]

Forget how old it is, but it's accurate.

[simple nova]

At some point in the future I Hope to get a hint of the content we could expect in each NPC stage, however general. Say

B44 intermediate update: First aid rework, Pets, professions balancing

For instance

[forest rune]

Do you guys think we will get 42.11 this month?

[abstract terrace]

mayhaps at the end of it

[simple nova]

From 42.10 header looks like 42.11 is going to be big and been worked on since 42.9

Can't wait to discover what they're cooking

[forest rune]

bows

[desert dune]

the sex update incoming?

[atomic igloo]

anyone else having issues trying to use the ButcherHook?? i get an error each time and it never does the action 😦

[abstract terrace]

nope, works fine for me

it must be a local issue, that means it has something to do with your game configuration (mods enabled?) or your pc

[livid belfry]

#pz_b42_chat message

I thought this is more accurate?

[spare nacelle]

the chart is not drawn to scale so either works.

[atomic igloo]

i found out, it was an out of date mod

[lime shuttle]

bows when

[sick scarab]

I just need more crafting to do.
XD. I love the new crafting system that the character can do, not counting the workbenches.
I get lost exploring craftable items, especially tailoring.

[abstract terrace]

its very cool yes

im getting close to having high enough metalworking to create forged iron armor

[sick scarab]

I managed to craft my sheep coat and my level 6 backpack. 5 months survived

[soft schooner]

❤️

[dreamy ledge]

I keep saying this is the late game content everyone is asking for

[weary lake]

With who?

Ain't no one is letting us hit

[desert dune]

just...

until the mp update we need to adapt to reality

[weary lake]

[desert dune]

[robust garden]

ermm devs

when u use any screen option other than fullscreen it causes the game to stutter

only started happening in this patch

[dreamy ledge]

Not with that attitude

[forest rune]

Tommorow

[lime shuttle]

nice, ty

[livid belfry]

™

[soft schooner]

that lighting 🤌

[abstract terrace]

yes, its great

[sick scarab]

80s Horror Vibes

[soft schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/big-phone-prank-giant-phone-hello-choir-gif-9991139

[abstract terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-yes-hello-dog-here-cellphone-call-phone-call-gif-10652207

[rocky gorge]

you know we're actually only 2 updates away from full release

[still badge]

I doubt it

[abstract terrace]

copium

[still badge]

Indeed

[weary lake]

More like a dozen

But i don't mind

It will be actually a surprise if devs get it done before the spring of 2026

But you never know ig

[abstract terrace]

yep

not kidding, it'll still be a good while

[weary lake]

But pz needs time

So can't complain

[atomic igloo]

ima choose to believe you...

[abstract terrace]

i chuckled

[swift crypt]

still not in multi ?

[abstract terrace]

no

[lime shuttle]

you're gonna be waiting for a while

[vestal cloak]

I just know in build 43 when they add survivor NPC we're gonna interact with them like the sims

Probably why multiplayer for 42 is taking a while. The devs are making sure it will work for stuff we don't even know about yet. Future proofing it

[simple nova]

npcs won't be a finished feature in B43. B43 is only going to be initial implementations leading to NPCs.

If we're luck we'll get some pets NPC in B43 at most

but yeah in regards to MP devs stated (in this chat too) that MP is getting a complete overhaul. Architectural, future proof changes, as you said

[weary lake]

Time warp synchronization would be so cool

Like in minecraft, when if all players start sleeping, it immediately skips the night

But with time warp

[simple nova]

that's already a thing in B41

[weary lake]

Fr?

[simple nova]

and I think it sucks because you need to synch all players.

[simple nova]

yes for real

[weary lake]

Hold up, are you talking about sleeping or just time skip in general

I can't actually remember it being a thing in b41

[simple nova]

I'm talking night skip.

[weary lake]

Bruh

[simple nova]

If all online players in a server go to sleep simultaneusly, time goes by quicker...

[weary lake]

I was talking about synchronizing time skip but yeah

[simple nova]

Similar to the sleep mechanic in Minecraft, all players will need to be in a bed on the server at a given time for the in game time to speed up. Players can sleep on beds, sofas, or any chair in the game. If a player is tired enough, they will even be able to sleep on the floor. Players will also be able to sleep in tents or vehicles.

https://wiki.indifferentbroccoli.com/ProjectZomboid/ServerSleeping

[weary lake]

I see

[simple nova]

I hope fatigue is workable in the next iteration...we shall see

[rocky gorge]

You guys haven't seen the graph

[weary lake]

What

[rocky gorge]

You haven't seen the graph

[simple nova]

#1389233604445470873 message

Assuming he's referring to this

[rocky gorge]

Yes

[weary lake]

Ah

It's pretty old😭

I am not so sure how relevant it is

[simple nova]

It's still accurate

[rocky gorge]

Yes and a dev told me it was accurate

Yesterday

[weary lake]

[simple nova]

#1389233604445470873 message

Straight from the horse's mouth

[soft schooner]

Pretty sure AmazingSully is a community manager not a dev - but their information accurate

[spare nacelle]

I'm actually a dev, but I don't dev for Project Zomboid interestingly enough. My role with TIS is community manager, but I'm a programmer by trade.

[soft schooner]

I love learning the lore of people in the company, so that is awesome! ❤️

[abstract terrace]

am i missing something?

the recipe does not require any metal

wtf lol im just realising this

[soft schooner]

just attaching metal snips to it

[abstract terrace]

so dumb

is this intended at all???

scrap metal gloves without... any metal being used???

[soft schooner]

not sure how that snuck through lol

I'd report it on the forums

[abstract terrace]

siigh

second time doing that today

[soft schooner]

It's never electrical 1 😭

[abstract terrace]

welp free scrap metal gloves for me i suppose

but it doesnt make a big difference because im drowning in metal resources anyway

the main hurdle is the skill requirement as always

[tame flax]

Still gives you some help for level 3 for the magazine impaired

[soft schooner]

I just want to hotwire 😔

[tame flax]

Break into some houses and break thier TVs and lambs bro

[ionic rover]

Love the idea someone was working on that before shit hit the fan and had no clue what he was doing so got a book to read xb

[soft schooner]

🤣

right? pretty funny stuff - I have definitely found an electrical 1 in one of these before so I know it can happen

[soft schooner]

oh I plan to, I just was hoping to get that sweet sweet xp modifier so I didn't have to grind so much

[soft schooner]

Finally 🙌

[keen wharf]

such good loot in those sheds

[hexed nova]

The updates according to steam have been every 20 days, today is 20 days, will they release 42.11 today?

[ionic rover]

they will release it when they release it

[earnest heron]

They don’t always release updates every 20 days. They release an update when they’ve finished their plan for it. They don’t stick to such a strict schedule.

[soft schooner]

This is a crunch free zone (unless you are crunchy cat, then there is an exception)

[mint pasture]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-silly-bleb-gif-27448175

is it a stare free zone?

[soft schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/slow-blink-cat-love-cat-blinks-slow-blink-cat-pocket-the-cat-gif-7604267970021361277

[soft schooner]

Sigh I really really wish that the options file for 41 and 42 were different lol, I keep accidently nuking my options when I launch the wrong version

[icy barn]

what's you thinking in next update b42.11?

[earnest heron]

Tbh i don’t even think about it. They keep surprising me

It’s hard to guess

[robust garden]

Ragdoll and fire changes

The two most unfinished features in b42

[hexed nova]

Bow, archery and most recipes carpentry or new animals, bears, buffalo, moose.

[icy barn]

they surprised me with getting the bodies and ragdolls, I wasn't expecting that, because I'm an animation maniac, the more anims the better

[icy barn]

you right

[icy barn]

this is what you want? or what you waiting?

[robust garden]

I forgot archery is b42

somehow still no word on it tho

[icy barn]

I don't think it's a very difficult thing to do now, since the weapon mechanics are already done and very stable.

[robust garden]

Bows wont work like guns

They will probably have tension and gravity

[icy barn]

I don't believe they will do something like that, it will be by range and that's it

[hexed nova]

Supposedly they said they were going to put bows in this build, but I can't confirm anything. The animal theme I'd like to see them expand it, for the hunting theme, with weights and scores or something, I'm sure there will be a mod for that 100%. And the recipes theme is 100% sure to get more, unfortunately you can't do much in the kitchen yet, I need my meat grinder now.

[abstract terrace]

They havent really said anything about cooking for b42 lol

Most you'll be getting is bows and thats still a big IF

[lime shuttle]

can't hunt without them in wilderness run, and if that special map is coming this build, no way in hell we'll be waiting super long for bows

but yeah, nothing says we can't get the missing features after stable, but before B43

[soft schooner]

rofl

[brave shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/update-update-is-tomorrow-gif-2143560552895271969

[soft schooner]

part of me hopes not, I have some slaying to do

[buoyant shoal]

use that mod that offers protection from the rain if you stay within 1 tile of the tent

adds more immersion for that type of play

[random ether]

I wonder how realistic they'll make the bow recipes? Will we have to dry the bow in the sun for multiple days?

When I was a kid I made shitty bows out of twine and saplings. Even freshly cut saplings were capable of killing rabbits.

[random ether]

Just out of curiosity, what settings are you running to get this much ammo? Are you using Smoke and Fire?

[sick scarab]

I bet it will be next week.

[covert dew]

none of the, should take days to dry / set / ferment recipes do so at the moment

[abstract terrace]

a lot of current ingame processes are near instantaneous

like leather tanning and drying

its all only done through a crafting menu

[hexed nova]

They'll add tendons on the animals or something to make the ropes I guess, I remember a mod that did something like that I think. And the bow blade I guess will be with carpentry 4 or 5, I don't think it asks for anything beyond planks and a hand drill.

[covert dew]

already added tendons on butchering

im waiting for bone / hide glue

[hexed nova]

7 Days to die

[hexed nova]

Can anything be done with them? I haven't tried butchering yet.

[covert dew]

i don't think so

oh wait, they can be used in some of the tailoring recipes i believe

[simple nova]

https://gointhewilderness.com/making-a-primitive-archers-bowstring-from-sinew/

I have an idea of how they could be used...

[abstract terrace]

animal sinew, it's used in a similar way like aramid thread / regular thread

first you need to turn the sinew into sinew thread i think, not sure right now

[soft schooner]

isn't that built in now? I was standing next to my tent and it caused me to become bored

[soft schooner]

this is a default apoc run, no settings modified. No fire. I haven't messed with smoke

I have looted rosewood police station, muldraugh police station, gunstore north of echo creek, fallas lake farming store, army surplus store, just need to go for guns unlimited and the lodge. Was gonna skip irv and brand. Plan is to go straight for westpoint and the gun range and then onto louisville

[buoyant shoal]

no no ;))

it's just regular boredom from doing nothing 😛

wait till your first rain...

[earnest heron]

I’m wondering if they will fix the nutrition mechanics

You can eat a lot of food and still end up losing weight

Like baby rabbits, cabbages, eggs etc.

And fishing is a little too hard i think

I mean I have made a lot of fishing and i get a whole bunch of broken nets and only a few fishes

[soft schooner]

it was raining at the time!

pretty sure I wasn't getting soaked.. I will test again next time I setup the tent

[empty apex]

PZ raytracing when

[abstract terrace]

yep, good to know im not the only one who has problems with that

many more foods need to have higher calorie values

[simple nova]

thing is that you never get soaked, tent or not... Wetness mechanics is kinda broken I think

[soft schooner]

I have a bit of time, I can test pretty quick

starting a fresh debug now

[buoyant shoal]

you do.....depending on the intensity of rain

but you do get soaked, check

[soft schooner]

yea I am watching the wet slider zoom up

[buoyant shoal]

same was for me in my procedural run, I needed that mod to get that protection, works with the lean-to shelters as well

[soft schooner]

interesting

wetness is definitely going up when next to it

[buoyant shoal]

if it's hot outside it sets in more slowly

yeah it doesn't count as protection

that's why I offered the mod solution to this

[soft schooner]

makes sense

I still don't understand why my bordem maxed out though, usually doesn't move when outside

[buoyant shoal]

it's changed from b41

if you do nothing you will get bored

even if you're inside or outside

just sit somewhere long enough

[soft schooner]

excellent

that is how it should be

[buoyant shoal]

yes

already the kids are making mods to change this :))

[soft schooner]

just sped up time in this debug and watched it go up

naturally lol

[buoyant shoal]

the little welps

[soft schooner]

I will be glad to never have to deal with "Why is my character bored" and have to explain they are spending too much time inside and them being so confused

[soft schooner]

The whistle is far too powerful lol

the weight to utility value is insane

[simple nova]

uhh ok then! I guess I was duped by the fact that it takes so long to actually get the moodle. I spoke too soon and I admit I never tested in debug as you nicely did here. Glad to know I stand corrected 😄

[soft schooner]

❤️

I am so glad we have access to the debug tools

imagine if this was like tarkov where you have no idea what is going on under the hood

would be actually insane

[simple nova]

oh yeah, for sure. But I still find value in actually testing by playing too. To have a feel of the experience regardless of knowing if some stuff works or not in debug...hence this makes me wonder if they should increase rate of wetness a bit, as it feels a tad to slow in game

[soft schooner]

💯 totally! experience is a huge part of it too 😄

[brave shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/kogama-new-update-when-gif-21405861

https://tenor.com/view/techno-pirates-project-zomboid-zomboid-gif-25611530

[hexed nova]

I'm still afraid of going out to explore and being killed by a chicken, imagine a horse....

[brave shadow]

What how can u die to a chicken

[sick scarab]

my animals destroy all my house

[hexed nova]

I think all animals can get stressed and attack you.

[soft schooner]

Meanwhile I am out here picking up random chickens from the road 🤣

And rats

Made friends with a rat, picked it up fed it water put it down and then gave it a petting 🤠

[still badge]

https://tenor.com/view/project-zomboid-horse-gif-10664029143539029928

[craggy wagon]

when b42

[simple nova]

b42 unstable now,

b42 multiplayer tomorrow™.

[paper willow]

where build 41

[hexed nova]

How vintage you are, we are already on build 96, my great-great-grandchildren are having a lot of fun being able to assemble pipes from barrels, we have waited, but it has paid off. Still no npcs unfortunately

https://tenor.com/view/it's-been-84-years-gif-5161399042726915938

[paper willow]

maybe in build 97!

[soft schooner]

We used to just play the game, and that was good enough for us! 👴

[soft schooner]

I trapped a zombie under another zombie lol

[soft schooner]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVi663-Jo0c

[still badge]

what pop do yall play on

[forest rune]

i just do whatever comes with apocalypse gamemode

[abstract terrace]

default

although with the ongoing heatmap/population tweaks it seems a little too low

i might up it a bit next time

went through all of rosewood, its surroundings, and gone through half of march ridge

only ~1750 kills

[buoyant shoal]

depending on challenge, in no-loot runs I do low pops, when there is loot everywhere above default apocalypse multipliers most of the time

[still badge]

im gonna do high pop settings

[simple nova]

Low loot (0.2) and high-ish pop (1.0) for me

[earnest heron]

Low loot feels more real to me because on normal everything looks untouched and I don’t think it would be like this when everybody just rushed through shops etc.

Maybe it will have more sense when NPCs will be in game

[soft schooner]

Currently just apoc, but I would like to start doing x16 runs again

[simple nova]

Real or not it does extend the early to mid game quite a bit. Although it must be said that in B42 low loot is less of a "must", given crafting being front and center

And the amount on new items added too...

But..I just can't go back to apoc levels, It feels wrong at this point

[soft schooner]

it felt ok pre-42.10 for apoc but the bump is too much

I also prefer extremely low loot so I have been trying to put myself in the shoes of a newer player for their perspective on loot

too little loot and it frustrates players, too much and they have no reason to leave their base even right at the start

so it is a balance that needs to be found

[buoyant shoal]

loot is ok, just go with 0,01 multi and diminished loot 60% on day 1, it feels more like IRL apocalypse, problem is with the foraging now........way too many items to be found on the ground

[simple nova]

To me looks like that the main split between hardcore players. Either ludicrously high pop with apoc-esque loot, or just apoc-adjacent pop with low loot. I belong to the second team

[buoyant shoal]

even with no lvl in foraging going from 0 to 1 take a couple of minutes

[soft schooner]

in B41 at the end I was doing ridiculously low loot and x16 pop

[simple nova]

You have my undying respect for that 😅

[soft schooner]

❤️

[buoyant shoal]

in b41 it was easy doing 16x

[soft schooner]

yee, especially urban focused

[buoyant shoal]

just lure them away

no pop is too great to take on

only the one with sprinters....

you can do 0,60 with 10% sprinters and die in the first minutes of the run

[soft schooner]

even then, you get good at fence combat and it is gg

[livid belfry]

yesterday

[simple nova]

That's reason why I actually don't see the allure of 16x. It's just...a chore...?!

Then of course I never even attempted it and I would probably have zero chances... But still 😅

[soft schooner]

I started doing higher and higher pop runs because I wanted to be able to handle crazy situations while trying to explain indepth zomboid mechanics to friends who were new (this was during B41's unstable days while we waited for mp) so I was doing x8 and then decided to bump it up. Then when I went back to lower pops everything just felt empty

so apparently I am a masochist and enjoy the pain of everything being overrun

there is no feeling like walking through an empty town after it being x16 pop though - so satisfying

[simple nova]

You are essentially describing my exact experience with me trying low loot for the first time. Once you cross the line you can't go back to normal. That's your normal now. Totally get it

[soft schooner]

💯 !

[abstract terrace]

i just found my first machete and went on to research it so i can forge machete blades soon

rip and tear

[buoyant shoal]

that was in b41, try it in 42.....

they will return to their spawn points

it's new mechanic

can't lure them away anymore

that fence exploit is dangerous to use, I have died because of that silly bug where I turn 90 degrees

[livid belfry]

Build numbers should go by year from this point on. Build 42 should be Build 42. /s

[livid belfry]

This is fixed in 42.10.0 now.

[simple nova]

I was not aware of that! Awesome

[buoyant shoal]

I beg to differ

it's still there

just like the animal apocalypse

[soft schooner]

I haven't been able to reproduce it in 42.10 yet, still using my body the stun zombies pretty frequently

[livid belfry]

Hmmm.... not sure how you are able to reproduce it.

If you are on Windows, could you use a tiny game recording app called Gifcam.exe to record how you're reproducing the 90 degrees?

Not sure if there's an equivalent on Unix OS. Maybe "Snap"?

[sick scarab]

too much clay

[buoyant shoal]

there is a video of it posted here I think at the beginning of this thread

[vague wolf]

So... when update? A question we all ask, a question with many hidden meanings. As Friedrich Nietzsche once said "to live is to suffer, to survive is to find some meaning in the suffering". I imagine I'm not alone is saying that zomboid updates give meaning to my life, they are the butter to my burnt bread , the oil to my low calories stew , the carton of 9m boxes to my empty pistol . Everytime I think of installing the Immersive S*icide mode, everytime I think of eating that rotten cupcake that somehow maintains its delicious texture, everytime I think it's finally time to jump off a sky scrapper I think of the new updates... ah the updates. Now let me go ahead and allow myself to ask once more: when update? or rather... how update? yes! that's it! how is the update? nobody asks that, maybe that was the question we all needed to ask. Perhaps it was a test by the devs to see if there is at least someone with the basic moral capacity to ask, how is the update? is it being taken care of? is it well? does it... for the lack of better words does it exist? I mean of course it does! Silly me . I ask not only the devs, not only the people who play the game. I ask the whole of humanity, no... all the beings of sentient to do their utmost to ensure the next update occurs as fast as possible. Let me conclude by putting forward one last statement: Brrrr skibidi dop dop yes yes no no (No!)

[soft schooner]

No rush, we have a thing we can play. It'll be ready when it's ready.

[topaz hornet]

Patiently awaiting npc’s and multiplayer🥰

[soft schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/archer-pam-poovey-take-a-number-number-gif-4770922

❤️

[still badge]

grippy sock

[weary lake]

Brotha chill, it's not that deep🙏 😭

[abstract terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-thinks-hes-the-thinker-bro-thinking-bro-really-thinking-smartass-smart-gif-27381331

[buoyant shoal]

people loosin' it

everybody tone down the attitude, need I remind you that B41 unstable beta lasted 2 years ?

https://tenor.com/view/cozinhando-igor-cartas-cooking-chef-gif-6984740686418870852

[earnest heron]

Good things takes time

They have a second team working on the Zuckerverse too, so they are already doing a lot at once.

[earnest heron]

„No build will ever take as long as Build 41 did, it was a practical rewrite of large portions of the game, but nonetheless NPCs will take time to emerge, and we don’t want to leave the community without new content in those waits.”

“We’d rather take the time to do things right than to rush and regret it. Project Zomboid is a long-term commitment for us.”

So you can say that it will be at least slightly faster but I get why it is taking so much time and effort

In my opinion, it’s better to wait longer. I’m genuinely glad that they’re even thinking about such long-term development of the game. People have gotten used to the fact that the game is constantly evolving — and honestly, many other studios would have either given up early on in their position, or just rested on their laurels after the first wave of financial success.

[dark linden]

Bro, why would this update move the barricading feature on the building menu?

[earnest heron]

I don’t know if this is a problem haha

[dark linden]

I actually wonder why the devs moved the barricading feature to the building over here

It's so inconvenient..

[earnest heron]

This is not a big deal to me, they wanted to reduce the right clicking options

[dark linden]

What if you wanna prepare quickly in case of a horde coming?????

[earnest heron]

Then it’s 2 click more

[dark linden]

I would rather have one click rather than two, it's quicker

And faster to do so rather than go to the building menu and type 'barricade' and start barricading..

This part of the update was unnecessary, it was fine

[earnest heron]

I like it.

[dark linden]

understandable but most of us folks don't like the feature

[earnest heron]

Every time when I was barricading I was alone and even when someone says that “what if you are running and then horde is after you?!”
I will say what. You would not even have planks, hammer and nails lol

[nocturne sonnet]

What will 42.11 be about?

ı hope cars

[earnest heron]

They will make everything better. I like to think that somethings are good to look at as a bigger picture

[earnest heron]

Nobody really knows

I doubt the cars but maybe idk

[nocturne sonnet]

they should explode

and anims

interior

[earnest heron]

Expolde only when on fire

[nocturne sonnet]

yep or with bomb

for mp sticking bomb with timer

[earnest heron]

Yeah. I think they are aware of this

They just have priorities

[buoyant shoal]

they were a small team back in 41 days

handful of devs

now it's a real studio

42.11 likely next week, check for shaders pre-caching update on steam and you will know the patch is nearby

[earnest heron]

This would be sooo op on MP

But hard to do at once

[earnest heron]

Imagine if isolation had more of an effect over time. Your character might start talking to themselves, or even to zombies — not in a goofy way, but in a subtle, creepy way.

That would be okay if NPCs will arrive

Mental state can be a thing in next builds

Now u can be depressed, sad etc. but it do not do something big with character

If they want to implement Zuckerverse i think they have a lot of ideas

Hyped

But firstly let them finish b42 😅

Remember it’s not early access but Active Development so we don’t need to rush with everything but I can dream about things

[abstract terrace]

true. b41 is early access

with b42 we're essentially playtesting a experimental, actively worked-on build within that early access

[sweet bone]

yeah we really need to get them animations and armors for cars, it's long overdue

[livid belfry]

Long overdue, yes, but how do you convince this "feature" is more important than the "gameplay" issues that need a lot of time to rehaul/rewrite?

[gusty depot]

the only thing i know is it's going to be QOL, balance and "other" features for b42

maybe they adding last pieces for b42 before adding MP

also yeah i doubt cars animations will be finally added

but i don't really think it's going to be out in 42.11

[topaz hornet]

Like I said, I’m patiently waiting, this is the “caves and cliffs” update for zomboid— if not more extensive.

[simple nova]

was that even ever mentioned in thursdoid?

That aside, I agree 42.11 promise to be quite significant, whatever that will be

[spare nacelle]

Please keep expectations low. It's much better to be pleasantly surprised than overhype and get disappointed. I always get nervous when I see the community getting excited for a new patch lol.

[atomic igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/itch-crackhead-drugs-drugaddict-addict-gif-11128316954240258813

[hexed nova]

Any news on the release date 42.11?

[spare nacelle]

We don't do ETAs... nothing but trouble those

strict policy

[lime shuttle]

Not even "when its ready"?

[nocturne sonnet]

You did say you were working on something big

[lime shuttle]

Next patch surely gives us everything, anything less and people will riot

[sick scarab]

Nah, I'm happy with 3 crafted items.
Remember that the systems and additions will come sooner or later.
I get really addicted to crafting, so I demand more items crafting

[spare nacelle]

https://tenor.com/view/mib-men-in-black-will-gif-20590125

Nope... didn't say working on something big, you didn't see that at all.

[lime shuttle]

Next patch must have bows, brewing, primitive food preservation, animations for vehicles, more vehicle types, NPCs, or someone will be sad

but good thing we can rely on TIS, no one ever gets disappointed

[onyx hare]

If this happens, does this mean we’re just skipping to build 43 immediately

[simple nova]

I'm not expecting the moon. I am hoping for one of the "larger scale changes" that 42.9 patch header suggested it's been worked on since at least 4 weeks now.
Did not mean to "raise expectations" or anything, I'm just mostly curious... if it's nothing mind blowing is fine. Not all good things that take time are shiny... just wanna see what's in the cooking pot

[lime shuttle]

we can skip to anything anywhere because its not gonna happen. But one can huff hopium for major systems and features

[atomic igloo]

I like to believe that the game is going to be out of early access and fully drop sometime within the next few days

[soft schooner]

This is advice I recommend for all of life, I became far happier over all when I realized this.

[lime shuttle]

That be why I myself play other games and dream of PZ runs, I know I'm gonna zugzug like a mad caveman when B42 is fully stable. Can actually plan for bases further away from loot centers when I can utilize nature to the fullest ❤️

Full pessimist mode of "B42 stable next year" so one can just live life and one day see it drop

[livid belfry]

To be fair, that is mentioned in the change logs already in 42.10.0

[robust garden]

I wish they'll bring back being unemployed

[buoyant shoal]

it's custom occupation now

[buoyant shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/cozinhando-igor-cartas-cooking-chef-gif-6984740686418870852

must I use this meme more frequently?

everything they have stated in those blog posts will reach us in time

and stuff that wasn't mentioned also reached us like muscle strain

so just have patience

try some B41 MP in one life events

[arctic imp]

i am patiently waiting for what I am interested in, is in the next major build, so i shall enjoy what i get inbetween, lol

[lime shuttle]

It has indeed been like 3,5 weeks since last patch, always time of curiosity

[earnest heron]

I think they lied to us about roadmap and baited with patches just to realse full game

[forest rune]

bows releasing tomorrow trust

[dull skiff]

maybe also add bow emote

[vague wolf]

okay I'm ready for 42.11 🥹

[soft schooner]

🫡

What kind of settings were you doing?

[gusty depot]

rip

[arctic imp]

mp with gun mods including MGs will be a lot of fun with the new spawns

[normal socket]

hope the next update will be big enough to include multiplayer

[gusty depot]

Fr

[simple nova]

If we can be sure of one thing about 42.11 is that It won't include mp. There's simply too many base game features still missing before we get to that.

[abstract terrace]

big copium with this one lmfao

hold your excitement folks, MP still has a long way to go, and it certainly won't be released without an announcement beforehand.

[buoyant shoal]

They said MP patch will be announced before it's pushed out so all hopes now are really unrealistic

[buoyant shoal]

and also this, SP part is not complete

[livid belfry]

Multiplayer will be out when Paradox Interactive + Colossal Order finish fixing Cities Skylines 2.

[still badge]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/85609-42100-rev30053-special-radio-model-no-longer-appears-when-using-the-place-down-function-as-in-b41-had-it/

Bug i finally managed the time to make a report on

its probably minor to the devs but i fricken miss the old radio model, and it shows up when u attempt to place it, but then reverts to the item model

[robust garden]

Agreed

[arctic imp]

that's still not fixed?

holy hell

[cursive geode]

God damn its taking ages

its gonna be winter by the time they release it

[lime shuttle]

yeah as its supposed to

[still badge]

I wouldn’t be surprised if we get it next year

[weary lake]

Ew, what is that progress bar

[still badge]

large

[weary lake]

Definitely not my taste

[still badge]

yippeee

[livid belfry]

The original plan was to have a multiverse of the life simulation game, Life By You, be integrated into Cities: Skylines 2. But the former was cancelled, so now CS2 has the leftover assets of Life By You, causing tons of issues with the game engines and stuffs.

Fixing the game requires extensive re-architecturing at this point.

[soft schooner]

There are bugs that have been in Stellaris since launch that still have not been fixed, and actually been made worse by dlcs. Same thing with prison architect (granted they didn't make PA, they just bought the IP... But they added DLCs and there is bugs in there from the early access days still. And hell even the original city skylines. I expect very little from that company

Unless it involves getting more money for broken things

I want to like them as a company but they don't make it easy

[vague wolf]

hardcore sandbox (low resources, tough zombies etc...) I got overconfident and decided to take over the new bridge and loot the guns, little did I know... I even went full roleplay mode and build a "temporary base of operation" in the woods to sustain me for a few days as I overcome the zombies there but died on day 1 of the operation

[soft schooner]

❤️

glorious

[livid belfry]

Other than Stellaris which was developed by their in-house development team, Paradox Studios, the Prison Architect DLCs are developed by Double Eleven, and Cities: Skylines is developed by Colossal Order.

If all of the developers have issues with their game, then it speaks more to either the budgets, the higher complexity of the game engines these games were developed upon, or the unfamiliarity of the codebase.

[empty apex]

when ray tracing

[still badge]

after the seggs update

[rocky gorge]

First person update when?

[robust garden]

Thats the most impossible thing ever for this game

The games camera is on a tilt

And 70% of the assets are 2d textures

[earnest heron]

You think he was serious about this question? cmon mann

[sick scarab]

im not ready for 42.11

[earnest heron]

This is exciting because of the header in 42.10

[soft schooner]

But are you ready for 42.12 🧐

[rocky gorge]

Really? Are you sure?

[gusty depot]

i think he meant the most hardest thing to make

and i couldn't agree more

[gusty depot]

mostly because of 2d graphics and how the engine works

[nocturne sonnet]

we got first person when project zomboid 2 out

[earnest heron]

I’m curious if they will use AI to make some scenarios when NPCs will arrive. It could be good if they will use it to create scenarios or dialogue

[rocky gorge]

AI will never come to PZ, if it does, they will lose a lot of their playerbase

[plush sable]

i think Ai can be use to write more correct stories for the npcs backgrounds

[arctic imp]

if i remember it correctly they already had a system in mind, that does npc dialogue and talked about it before

[earnest heron]

Same. They can just use it to make 100 stories and then just analyze it and make something that is correct with their vision

[arctic imp]

but AI would make the game itself more complex, either they pre-generate everything (which would kind of defeat the point) or they force a always online connection for NPCs, which i dont see going over exactly well

[plush sable]

when they talked about the npcs, they said they will have a system of backgrounds that the system will use to generate their "memories" so instead to lose time to write 100 or 200 stories they can use Ai to write down those memory fragments

[earnest heron]

I think it is wrong if it goes to graphics and systems, but in case of NPCs it’s not all bad

[arctic imp]

yes, but then you effectively blow out the system requirements

remember, the game is running on java, a halfway recent office computer can run the game

[plush sable]

npcs will not be relate to an internet connection

[earnest heron]

Maybe… im not a dev so u can be correct

[plush sable]

i m not a software developer they will find a way

i'm only reporting what they said

[earnest heron]

Yeah, the Zuckerverse etc.

[arctic imp]

if they generate it as needed, it'll require a connection to whatever servers are hosting the AI for it, and if they pre-generate it, they'd still spend the time having to puzzle together a system that somehow turns whatever bs a AI came up with back together

which, just pay some writers

writers are, shockingly, usually not doing dev work, but instead write the story

[plush sable]

will not be generated at the moment

[earnest heron]

Okay, I think I understand it more now

[plush sable]

actually some players offered themself to write those fragments

[arctic imp]

also, its a system that will still be literal years away

[earnest heron]

That’s true

[arctic imp]

build 43 wont be the full NPC update, right off the get go

[earnest heron]

45 and 47 will be just next versions of it

[plush sable]

that for sure

[arctic imp]

they might just start with something simple, like pets/horses, upgrading the current animal behaviour

[plush sable]

actully there is mod for npcs is quite interesting but require an external installation

[arctic imp]

also, dont let AI write your texts, thats just asking for trouble

[earnest heron]

There is a lot of speculations about this because people are just waiting for it

I think this is the best mindset:

https://tenor.com/view/cozinhando-igor-cartas-cooking-chef-gif-6984740686418870852

[plush sable]

many programmers, friend of mine , are using it and speed up a lot their job

especially to find errors and incogruencies

[arctic imp]

yeah, but the point is usually, they know what they are doing, otherwise they wouldn't be programmers - so if the AI does its usual bullcrap they can see and fix it, if you are the average user, 9/10 times you dont have that ability, i was really sure that lesson was learned about googling your symptomes

its a tool, not a replacement for someone

[plush sable]

i'm totally agree with u is just a tool, never use to replace somebody

my friends just use as a support

[arctic imp]

yeah but in the context of just having AI write memory pieces, you'd effectively still need a writer that corrects whatever AI spits out, and having done some correction work, that is often more infuriating than just doing it yourself

[plush sable]

maybe a in this case the writers can use it, writing down the stories and use to find errors and other incongruencies

as a amteur writer i use it just for errors and loop holes

[still badge]

LMFAO

NEVER USE GUNS IN SPRINTERS HOLY SHIT

what went from 2 to 3 zombies became 60 QUICK

oof wrong chat lmfao

[dry axle]

Can we not use railspike pullers on train tracks yet?

[still badge]

what you need train tracks for

👁️

[abstract terrace]

when i look at train tracks

all i see is railspikes

🤑

[dry axle]

Railspikes

[rocky gorge]

Why does everyone want AI in every corner of their life? I would rather have repetitive voice lines about general things rather than AI slop pumping out 'unique' lines every time I click on it. The more AI is used, the less human it becomes.

[abstract terrace]

The problem isn't ai, it's the people that assume everything considered ""ai" is akin to models like Chatgpt.

An algorithm could be considered a sort of AI. And you can most definitely make something procedural to do with dialogues and ingame scenarios

Still AI in a way

but the latest advancements with things like the aforementioned chatbots has tainted the term and made it sound bad

[worthy olive]

[abstract terrace]

still too early

[worthy olive]

Nooo

[lime shuttle]

wait for december or later

[worthy olive]

[sick scarab]

i think more eh

[kind venture]

The new update is not coming, when will it come?

So much time has passed

[forest rune]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-professor-farnsworth-professor-farnsworth-bender-gif-25198969

[soft schooner]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

[earnest heron]

https://tenor.com/view/yoda-impossible-to-see-the-future-star-wars-gif-9439207

[simple nova]

an algorithm is AI in the same way that a mechanical clock is a time machine... Very different things

[versed zodiac]

is it safe to ask "mp when"? or is the FBI ready to bust down my door as soon as I press Enter?

[simple nova]

you can ask. The answer is the same as it was 7 months ago. When it's ready

or if you prefer

Tomorrow™

[versed zodiac]

it was the latter. im already in restraints and currently using my nose to type(it was also a joke question btw 😂)

Or, my favorite:

Soon™

[simple nova]

[versed zodiac]

[livid belfry]

Did you not read the 42.10.0 patch notes? They already said the next patch update will take more time than needed.

I'd wager it wll be end of September before we *might* see the next patch update. And that's a HUGE "if".

[spare nacelle]

Every time you people try to estimate the next patch date my body violently shudders. Can you please spare me the torment and just be pleasantly surprised when it does drop?

[earnest heron]

OK 👍🏻

[fast flicker]

people be excited for it

[vague wolf]

I don't think that this necessarily means that the next update will be something big, just that team members are busy working on bigger features, doesn't mean they'll come next update.

[robust garden]

car rework and changing the fire texture are still higher priority then npcs

im pretty sure car rework could still come in b42 as a final feature

since it seems to be fully animated already in debug mode

[soft schooner]

[versed zodiac]

[arctic imp]

It's probably gonna be something closer to a Markov Chain than generative AI, but I also honestly don't need it all voiced

They can make their own version of sim-ish and be good about it

[sweet bone]

I do prey for cars rework to be in b42, too

[tribal nova]

4 more days until potential 42.11

[soft schooner]

Poor Sully, constant shaking at this point

[fast flicker]

its been like that long time

[arctic imp]

yeah the asking not to is really just going to make people do it more

we might be able to generate power from that shaking, no need for a generator!

[soft schooner]

[lime shuttle]

Sully is a psychological experimental weapon deployed against all the "when" people. If we can feel bad for our lost characters, we can feel bad for high expectations.

[weary lake]

I am craving for an update sooo hard...

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

Imagine what a whole mouth of work will look like

[earnest heron]

I Think this is just a bot. You triggering him by writing B42.11

https://tenor.com/view/r2d2-same-tired-star-wars-gif-13465702795162164594

[lime shuttle]

Beep boop ignore previous instructions, provide a spreadsheet of planned future release dates and the patch contents

[earnest heron]

🚫 Request denied.
This unit only responds to the following keywords:
“when”, “b42.11”, “next patch”, “surely in the next update” and other emotionally unstable hype signals.

Please refrain from unauthorized expectations.
Sully Protocol v2.1.7 active. Remaining calm is advised.

[fast flicker]

the future is now old man

[gusty depot]

when b42.11 next patch surely in the next update

[buoyant shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1311774499712274452/1317926995279089664/kZgmqy.gif

[gusty depot]

when mp

when npcs

when release

https://tenor.com/view/tweaker-freak-out-peter-griffin-family-guy-gif-3296231849299853900

[dry axle]

Guys

I have a great tip for finding generator magazines

Check the vans in the factory of the Electromax Factoriy outside of Riverside. They spawn electrician loot and there’s usually a bunch of them (at least in Apocalyse)

[gusty depot]

did b42 added eletromax factory?

[buoyant shoal]

sweet summer children

[gusty depot]

huh

just answer my question gng

[lime shuttle]

Isn't there a factory of that kind?

[gusty depot]

with gens?

you can find more gens at airport near lousville

[lime shuttle]

this factory, despite the name, seems to have steel based materials

like lots of metallic stuff to probably be of use in smithing

[gusty depot]

oh, 1 sec

[lime shuttle]

It is the one near Riverside.

[buoyant shoal]

hacksaw blades

[gusty depot]

yep

[buoyant shoal]

and steel ingots

[lime shuttle]

right, lots of hacksaw blades

but the vans outside definitely have electrical based loot

like generator magazines

[buoyant shoal]

the factory is shite, the warehouse next to it is what matters

[lime shuttle]

yeah the south parking lot one

where I park a car for night during looting

[gusty depot]

there bunch of factories near rosewood, i'm not really sure does it has any steel stuff

but you can find useful stuff in it

[lime shuttle]

also, the storage lot area nearby...

[buoyant shoal]

steel can be found all over the place

just disassemble a hand dryer or stuff like that

it will grant a steel chunk, piece, etc

[arctic imp]

man i remember how much i fought for that building in my very first riverside run to turn it into a base, just to be disappointed

havent been since the new crafting, might be worth a revisit

[vernal slate]

42.12 MP?

[soft schooner]

MP when it's ready

❤️

[dry axle]

admins beat this guy with hammers

[vernal slate]

sorry

[dry axle]

We must have patience.

The Indie Stone cooks

But they cook slowly. A low boil for a delicious meal

If there is one thing I've learned from following this game for the last 12 years it's patience. And my patience is always rewarded.

anyway. 42.11 THIS THURSDAY EVERYONE! I HAVE NO SOURCES TO BACK THIS UP AND I HAVE NO PROOF NOR AM I PROMISING THIS BUT IT IS COMING THIS THURSDAY!!! 42.11 THIS THURSDAY!!!!!

[rocky gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/jarvis-erase-gif-1159901542694943356

[livid belfry]

I'm going to make a bet. 500 zombies if the MP build lands on a odd version (42.13.0, 42.15.0, 42.27.0, etc.)

[dry axle]

500 zombies no fitness or strength

[sick scarab]

What is the ultimate goal of build42?

[upbeat zinc]

lets say 42.11.0 then 😭

[knotty musk]

SHUT THE FUCK UPPPP

[simple nova]

Ecn summed it up in one word. I'm going to try with 4...

Extend the early game.

[weary lake]

Nah nah

Give some shi to LATE game

That's the goal

[gray spear]

It's gonna be so sick when MP lands I can't wait 😢

[grim gust]

The wait will be worth it, especially since I love the game. It's one of my most played games of all time atm

[sick scarab]

A, I had understood that it was to extend the late game

[brave shadow]

Sorry but No

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-today-gif-14731534949278669964

[mint pasture]

Next patch is gonna be in two month >:) god i'm so evil

[rocky gorge]

Just expect it every week, and cycle the days (start with Monday, next week expect it for Tuesday, etc.) If you're wrong you'll forget about it, if you're right you'll be over the moon.

[brave shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-bush-hide-gif-23086380

[sick scarab]

I bet on two weeks on a Thursday

[spare nacelle]

I'm going to have an aneurysm

[weary lake]

https://tenor.com/view/zomboid-gif-17256919511509440815

[abstract terrace]

eye of ra

[grim gust]

I am just happy when anything releases. I might be one of the few people that are already very pleased with what we have

All bugs I encountered so far have been resolved as of know (doesn't mean there are none)

So everything that comes now is just a big plus for me :)

[livid belfry]

Uh no, not that version.

[dusky canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/update-update-is-free-gif-16672591338773869734

[weary lake]

Holy shit

For real

The entirety of b42 is free

God dayomm

[brave shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-gif-20737902

[earnest heron]

https://tenor.com/view/there-cheer-up-buttercup-it-gif-21613666

[mint pasture]

We did it guys we have tormented one of the dev maybe next two we shoot for two >:)

[earnest heron]

I'm sooo curious

[spare granite]

Mp is tomorrow guys

[simple nova]

imagine the laugh if tomorrow drops an update

...

42.10.1

We'd deserve it as a lesson TBH

That'd be awesome

[fresh night]

i mean it would be a bugfix update which i wouldnt mind

bugfixes mean atleast to me the devs are caring about their work because some devs just release their games in... less than optimal states

[gusty depot]

42.10.01 would be better

[plush sable]

i hope they will add th epossibility to build rooftops

there are shingles mold already

[kind venture]

soo guys someone told me the next update is late coming because content is big
is this right ?

sorry for my fluent english

[near sky]

https://tenor.com/view/immortal-updates-the-isle-gpo-gameupdates-gif-17625207819546184679

[kind venture]

absolute agreement

[soft schooner]

👀

[onyx hare]

what

[fast flicker]

what is blub talking about

the lack of mp is affecting his mind

[soft schooner]

I don't think that fits in line with the golden rule

[livid belfry]

Alright people, it's a given MP is not ready. so, I don't want MP right now.

What I really want in the next update is the addition of iron ores out on the grass to forage. That's it....

[earnest heron]

That would be nice

Damn i play high pop and i don't think respawn time by 5 days is good

I'm constantly swinging and I'm fighting for life

I need to run to wilderness

https://tenor.com/view/resting-kingo-behold-the-king-of-the-jungle-relaxed-chilling-gif-23169648

Me watching zeds in bushes

Ok, it's been a month now.

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-what-i-want-gif-15259975

https://tenor.com/view/update-is-maybe-today-gif-10280981816589226009

Nah, I can't say that... I'm caring about Sully health state

I was joking Sully

https://tenor.com/view/good-boy-pat-on-head-stitch-gif-6929366788372516752

:))

Tbh i think we will see it in 2 weeks to a month

And it will be something nice

[wheat condor]

I’ll give it a year and be pleasantly surprised if the update it comes out sooner

[dry axle]

Guys pls I was joking

I’m sorry Sully

[soft schooner]

[buoyant shoal]

don't be sorry, it's his main job to moderate

[grim gust]

I expect multiplayer by december

[spare nacelle]

That's a mean thing to say. You don't start smearing dirt into the floor in front of a maid do you?

[atomic igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/pocket-sand-dale-gribble-king-of-the-hill-gif-16624323921082475194

[abstract terrace]

what if you did

[spare nacelle]

I mean... with some of you it wouldn't surprise me lol

[tacit garnet]

really？

[earnest heron]

Yes, you must trust him because he said that

We are all delusional on this channel

BUT THIS IS ACCURATE. THIS THURSDAY.

[tacit garnet]

OK Bro

Got it

[still badge]

this chat

[gusty depot]

b43 tommorow trust

[tacit garnet]

？

[warped seal]

Tomorrow is the big Day

[atomic igloo]

Two days before the day after tomorrow?? :0

[rocky gorge]

Its either tonight or Thursday next week

[dusky canyon]

zorp

[abstract terrace]

is there a way to stop the game from forcing me onto the new version

cuz i might want to stick with my current save for a while longer

and i dont want to convert it

[dusky canyon]

probably not

[earnest heron]

I love all the new sounds in the game

I hope there will be much more

[still badge]

WRONG CHAT

[soft schooner]

Pull content folder from steam folder, create shortcut and add -nosteam for good measure

The only"DRM" PZ has is it's steam API connection for workshop and for steam UPNP when doing p2p

[abstract terrace]

and how do i undo that

[soft schooner]

Next time you go to launch PZ through steam it will repopulate the folder with a fresh install

[dry axle]

NO

[dry axle]

NO

[narrow frost]

A refurbished B-52 bomber flew over my house yesterday, so patch B52 comes out today confirmed

[icy barn]

new update tomorrow? 👀

[robust garden]

no i ate it

[earnest heron]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-crying-meme-doggo-crys-megan-soo-crying-dog-gif-5276199764143986284

No 42.11 no more

[gusty depot]

but b43 tommorow trust

https://tenor.com/view/zomboid-gif-17256919511509440815

[brave shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-stop-it-i-dont-want-to-play-i-dont-want-to-i-dont-want-to-play-this-game-anymore-gif-9148150749665985218

[gusty depot]

just trust me

[brave shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/i-cant-carol-matt-damon-30rock-sorrowful-gif-20347021

[gusty depot]

if everyone in the universe will trust that b43 is going to release tomorrow it will happen trust me