42.10.0 UNSTABLE Released

[abstract terrace]

i make weapons out of everything

[earnest heron]

Facts

[knotty musk]

No?

[abstract terrace]

i do

[forest rune]

even plungers? and rolling pins?

[abstract terrace]

no i mean crafting-wise

toothbrushes can be made into weapons, so i use them

[forest rune]

ahh toothbrush shivs

very creative

[abstract terrace]

its just free weapon xp

plus i save resources for later

[keen wharf]

Carving spears to farm xp

[abstract terrace]

i do that sometimes

but i more often than not just bind spearheads

rather than use simple wooden spears

screwdriver spear my beloved

[ionic rover]

theres a lotta guns that would be cool in vanilla

[abstract terrace]

yes

i want more military grade weaponry

like i dunno, military axes? smgs? actually good sniper rifles?

all we have in that regard is like three shitty ones with super low bullet capacity

would be nice for grenades to exist, too

super rare loot spawning around military areas ingame

[ionic rover]

yea would be really cool to see more mil stuff i mean id love to see more military story events like the police road block but its the miliatary things like that

maybe even a military transport on the side of the road

ooo maybe a chance for a school to be a shelter zone or whatever would be cool

[warm python]

i think they fit the time period and not something too fancy shmancy

[abstract terrace]

apparently a M24 sniper rifle is too much to ask for

🙄

I want something that doesn't just look like it's a civilian hunting rifle

[warm python]

lol add a dragunov

[abstract terrace]

is that meant to be a joke

[warm python]

no lol i like that gun

[abstract terrace]

i agree its nice but it'd be a bit silly to start getting non-US weapons when the existing domestic firearm lineup is so limited

[robust garden]

i want the colt single action army added

[warm python]

HEY it could be possible in the military checkpoints

[simple nova]

I mean... This could be a bit controversial, but that's work that modders cover pretty well already. Same goes with vehicles. It's wiser for Devs to focus on things modders can't do a very good job at

Of course it would be nice to have Vanilla variety for both firearms and vehicles. But as we discussed already, the scope of the game is so big that I welcome very much letting this to talented modders. Devs have bigger fishes to fry...

[abstract terrace]

mods have a tendency to break things, and often do not have the same visual/polish standards as vanilla content does

i dont like mods, i want things to be in the base game, "modders can do this already" shouldnt be a valid excuse

[simple nova]

Well, that's just untrue. I ran a server with 250+ mods. Ran like a charm. You just need to have a server host that knows how to deal with it, and quality mods. As for visuals... you're right, in the sense that often modded content surpasses vanilla. I'm thinking specifically about KI vehicles, which are very high Res and fully animated

And can be armoured to...

[abstract terrace]

i dont care if visually it surpasses vanilla, my issue with it is the inconsistency

[warm python]

yah this is why i stopped using a lot of them over the years after running mp servers when 41 came out , id really like to avoid mods in the future and so far 42 is doing just that

[abstract terrace]

the majority of content mods in PZ just stand out from vanilla

it really breaks the overall feel for me

[warm python]

yeah , a lot of the time pretty unbalanced too , which again thats fine for players who want that and i love mods being available to players

[abstract terrace]

true... forgot to mention that

[simple nova]

Meh... really depends on your mod selection. I for instance don't use KI vehicles but I do use PZK which is a vanilla friendly vehicle pack

[abstract terrace]

in any case mods are a optional thing and a game shouldn't rely on them, however much they can complement the vanilla experience

the current firearm variety in vanilla is just not good and you can't argue otherwise

[simple nova]

It's not like there's only one firearms mod. I recall at least 5. Some have balance in mind, other variety, some both, some none. Again, depends on what you pick. And you do have quite some choice. But coming back to the initial point... Devs have bigger things to focus on. And that's just undeniable

[abstract terrace]

right now yes, but do not ignore that the existing lineup of the guns remains underwhelming, they can do better and add more eventually

[simple nova]

Oh absolutely 😊

I'm just saying that I fully understand it to be at the bottom of the list because mods cover that exceptionally well

[livid belfry]

I would rather them give small updates every now and then over the period of 20 to 30 years, than for them to go full tilt on big updates only to shut down and close down after a few years.

[forest rune]

i think they should add more firearms but not too op maybe more civilian guns

[abstract terrace]

💀 just because the military has it doesnt mean its op
theyre goddamn firearms, im not asking for light machine guns or antimaterial rifles

im asking for stuff along the lines of a remington 700 rifle or a MP5 submachinegun

i want each firearm category to have more variety, except maybe handguns, we already have plenty

[warm python]

yah i would like more non military types

i think the m16 is pretty powerful and great as a rifle if you can find em , i found two on one save just on some random zombie

[forest rune]

I also think the m16 should remain as rare fs

I like that it seems unweildly its fitting in the case that you are not trained to use a full auto weapon

[warm python]

yah same , i think its fine how it is now , but when i first played with that gun when 42 first came out i can see why iuts rare even with 0 aiming it was strong in my eyes lolk

[forest rune]

whenever I have ever found one mainly in b41 I use single fire

its a pretty decent weapon that way

[snow relic]

We indeed can make salad in clay bowls but we cannot make fruit salad that the thing i noticed (i tried it on beta 42.10.0 on my CDDA save with a fired clay bowl and foraged berries) ps : can u pls fix that in the next update i want to eat well in CDDA 😞

[knotty musk]

You said u didn't tho

[soft schooner]

So when you knock a zombie down there is a split second where it doesn't register as on the ground so if you are using auto target and try to do a ground attack it will do a shove, nearly lost a character to that last night.

I am sure it has been reported before

Though I do not see it

[simple nova]

Targeting when zombie is down has been bugged since forever (42.6 I wanna say, but maybe earlier). So much so that I had to switch to manual targeting to be safe

[soft schooner]

[soft schooner]

so that is the thing that is supposed to be fixed but hasn't? I didn't notice anything this bad till this/last build but I took a small break and was doing just small goof around things in game

[buoyant shoal]

yes very true

also lost new char to that turning bug

[soft schooner]

[buoyant shoal]

the hitbox is broken in 42.10

the targeting fails when there are zeds on the ground and zeds standing up, if you target the incomming zed it will sometimes target the one on the ground

even though it outlines the incomming zombie

[soft schooner]

damn

not good!

[buoyant shoal]

more on the matter, when stomping there was this bug back in 41 and it's still persists today exactly what you described

shoving instead of stomping when therr are zeds nearby

the char shoves the one on the ground instead of stomping

[soft schooner]

I remember that one

this is different then that, this is shoving instead of swinging

[buoyant shoal]

this is now more striking evidently in heavy combat

[soft schooner]

for sure

[buoyant shoal]

and if you get stunned while a zombie lunges you do a twisty piruette

[simple nova]

it's similar to the previous bug...they may have fixed it and brake it again

[buoyant shoal]

and die

[soft schooner]

for sure

[buoyant shoal]

the animal apocalypse is still happening

[simple nova]

previous bug had to do with crawlers, mostly. This is different...

[buoyant shoal]

that shoving bug dates way back to 40 I believe

[simple nova]

you tested this lately?

[buoyant shoal]

it was a way of warning the player there are still zombies arouns

yes it's easy to notice it

try to stomp a zombie while others are near

you will notice a push / shove animation even if there are no zeds close to you

[simple nova]

I switched to manual targeting some time ago

[buoyant shoal]

doesn't matter which targeting is active

[simple nova]

yikes, thats annoyin...havent paid attention to that somehow

[buoyant shoal]

even more now there's a shoving instead of swinging the weapon

........

[soft schooner]

this is so consistent that it makes me want to go back to short term runs

[buoyant shoal]

this is best example of how he shoved instead of stomping that one

it's consistent over decades now

[soft schooner]

not like every fifth zombie though

I think in previous builds I ran into this maybe 2-3 times total?

[buoyant shoal]

in 41 it was the essential radar

[soft schooner]

never multiple times in an in game day

[buoyant shoal]

always that happened when there were zeds around in close proximity but you didn't noticed them

[soft schooner]

how close? cause these are open areas and I do spins all the time

[buoyant shoal]

Hard to pin-point the proximity area but let's say around a house if you're in the backyard stomping a zombie and another is inside, that will happen

[abstract terrace]

Nope

[plush sable]

why to make a bandana with a rag i need needle and thread? quite dumb

[robust garden]

theres a severe lack of dumpsters and trash cans in muldraugh pls fix this its weird that alot of buildings just lack any waste management

like they have fully gated off back areas where a dumpster should be but there isn't one.

and some buildings just lack trashcans

[keen wharf]

Agreed

We need some emergency case with a fire axe or even some fire extinguisher.

[robust garden]

lockpicking in b43 is gonna go so hard.

im 99% sure lockpicking will be the next skill added to pz

hairpins would open up like 50 new hairstyles and allow for lockpicking

[still badge]

https://tenor.com/view/ch0colatchaud-burst-gif-21178804

[robust garden]

they could even add a lockpick to the multitool

and a lockpick tool found in police station evidence lockers

[still badge]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-anotado-noted-noted-gato-noted-cat-gif-15232071836705052766

[keen wharf]

Unlike bioshock where you got to hack a safe to open it.

[robust garden]

chopsticks should be added to the game too so u can add asian resteraunts and a few new hairstyles

[keen wharf]

Chop sticks for an eating animation on some food items like ramen or sushi.

[robust garden]

cupped noodles in gas stations

put into a sauce pan with boiling water add flavor packets

instant ramen could also be a rarer variant

that u just pour hot water into it and u get instant ramen

[keen wharf]

funny how the ramen food icon is already opened lol

[robust garden]

so many tiny things they could add to b42 to make it truly awesome sauce

[robust garden]

can you barb wire your baseball bats yet in b42.

[keen wharf]

More road signs to add more level of immersion.

[robust garden]

and make the "more destructable objects mod" part of the base game

[warm python]

lol

[keen wharf]

Kangaroo in USA lol

[robust garden]

what happened to the multiplayer acknowledgement post.

[keen wharf]

Someday we will get MP

[robust garden]

there was a post talking about mp

[warm python]

and kangeroos?!

[robust garden]

i cant find it anymore

[keen wharf]

Single player first multiplayer later patches

Handicap parking spots for more immersion.

[soft schooner]

https://steamcommunity.com/app/108600/discussions/0/563626407201131582/

This one?

[acoustic dust]

oops

[simple nova]

plausible and very cool if it happens.

But my hot take is that the most important new skill to add is actually... FIRST AID

A version of it that matters, that is.

[soft schooner]

[acoustic dust]

hard agree. Having the first aid strategy be "don't get injured" doesn't really have much impact on the game

[soft schooner]

Car accident?

[simple nova]

its just an obvious place holder for now...

[acoustic dust]

yes car accident

[soft schooner]

Placeholder is making people really good at avoiding damage though 😆

[acoustic dust]

which of course is bonkers dumb, I hit a stop sign at 50mph and my back is broke? in real life the stopsign would just get flatted

[simple nova]

it's a glorified HP bar, and a mechanic deep as a puddle. As it stand first aid doesn't help in almost nothing, and is a skill that right now could do with only 3 levels, not 10

[soft schooner]

Agreed, could take it out entirely and no one would notice really

Definitely needs a rework

[simple nova]

perfect content to come hands in hands with NPC. That's my hope

[soft schooner]

Would make sense

[icy barn]

this dont happing before, I notice this too

[soft schooner]

!

Thank you, felt like I am going crazy lol

I shall make a bug report on it in a bit

[icy barn]

your video is a good demo to understand the bug for the devs

[soft schooner]

❤️

[keen wharf]

We need better injuries and illness system.

[earnest heron]

One day I was wondering—what if I caught the flu or some infection and didn’t have any meds? Hell, sometimes you don’t even know which antibiotics to use for what. If you think about it in terms of a zombie apocalypse… I’d be dead for sure.

That’s exactly why I think surviving an apocalypse like that would basically be a miracle—and it makes total sense that the game says, “This is how you died.”

[simple nova]

there is that, and there's also the complete irrelevance of non-zombification wounds, and zero impact from hygene in general

again, here mods do some work... But this is important work to be adressed by TIS

I'm very ok by mods to take to brunt of the work for vehicles or guns variety... but for core mechanics such as this, it bothers me

[earnest heron]

Yeah, I totally get what you mean — but I really believe the game will keep improving, especially those core systems. Considering they’re aiming to make wilderness survival fully viable, I don’t think anything will be left half-baked in the long run.
Just because some mechanics aren’t fully functional yet doesn’t mean they won’t be fixed or added eventually.
I think we’re on a long road toward the goal, and the closer we get, the clearer the destination becomes.

[simple nova]

I'm sure they will be adressed...

Like, you mention wilderness. Imagine how first aid + foraging can let you use herbs to produce complex primitive medicine... Possibilities are endless

[earnest heron]

That kind of thing could really transform foraging and first aid into a completely new layer of survival gameplay.
Ideas like that are exactly what get me hyped for the future of the game — there’s still so much depth waiting to be unlocked.

If you combine those core mechanics that TIS plans to introduce with the creativity of modders and the community, we could end up with the best survival game ever made.
Take foraging, for example — imagine it expanded by mods into multiple layers of complexity. Now apply that to a few other systems too.
The sheer amount of possibilities is just brain-melting.

I honestly don’t think any other game focuses on building such a meaningful survival experience like PZ does.
It’s not just a game where you die because you ran out of food or something killed you.
Once, I actually died because I tried to defrost a can of food in the microwave — it exploded, started a fire, and I burned to death while trying to save my house.
That’s the kind of brutal, hilarious realism that makes this game special.

To wrap up my long rant — I don’t think I’ll ever stop loving this game, simply because it never got stuck in place.
It’s still actively being developed, and in my opinion, that’s exactly what keeps the hype alive.

[earnest heron]

I haven’t tried it yet, but the idea of weaponizing canned soup and a microwave is just too good.

[simple nova]

we are in luck in that regard as TIS sees PZ as it's life long passion project. I honestly believe they should raise their price tag. any other studio would have done so multiple times or paywall content behind DLCs. Here we're witnessing the game going forward relentlessly, and with still an early access tag on it.

[knotty musk]

That weird

Like what da flip

[abstract terrace]

i dont even know what youre talking about

[soft schooner]

they have raised their price tag a bunch of times

I'd expect an increase when 42 launches

[simple nova]

Did they?

[soft schooner]

started at $16.99CAD in 2013, currently $25.99 CAD

[fresh fog]

yeah it was only twice in like 14 years

so far away from a bunch of times

[soft schooner]

https://i.imgur.com/nHsyzg5.png when I purchased it it was 5 pounds

[fresh fog]

it's just a pair of times

[simple nova]

that's 12 years ago...if you factor in inflation it basically didn't move. Can't say the same on the actual value of the sim...

[soft schooner]

I am not saying they shouldn't

I am just saying they have in the past

And to expect it in the future

[fresh fog]

I don't see them increasing it for 42

Let's place bets

[soft schooner]

The thing is they have to be careful with the price, it is already hard to sell friends on the game when they look at it

[simple nova]

true... I gave up on that

[soft schooner]

😅

The ones I have convinced have mostly loved the game, they are all just waiting for mp

[simple nova]

awww I'm so jealous

[soft schooner]

A few bounced off of it, which sucks

[simple nova]

I had to become a public server host and get good at it to manage to play with someone in a server I enjoy lul

[soft schooner]

Ahh dang

I don't think I have the energy to deal with public hosting lol

[simple nova]

it's fun, but yes it is draining if you don't know what you're doing

I'm passed that now

[soft schooner]

💪 heck yea

[simple nova]

the issue was also that most public servers are not to my taste (too easy), hence I felt hard pressed

[soft schooner]

Ohhh that is understandable

[earnest heron]

I showed the game to one of my friends, and at first he was skeptical. But once I explained how the game works, we started playing a lot, and he said he loves it. We even had several save files going at one point and had a great time.
However, I think it kind of scares people off a bit? I’m not sure why, but it takes a lot of explaining to get someone into it haha.

They should do something to better encourage the player. Show them the best graphical scenes and demonstrate the vast range of possibilities.

I hope that when build 42 comes out, they’ll also do that.

[simple nova]

They should market it more like a "The Sims" in the apocalypse. That would definitely help.

[earnest heron]

Either way, players who aren’t into that kind of gameplay won’t be convinced anyway. They’d rather spend hours playing CS or LoL on the same map for years. In my opinion, Zomboid is way more creative.

Like i don’t have 3k hours on cs haha

[soft schooner]

yee it scares them off a few ways I think, feedback I have had from friends is initially controls are confusing to get used to (they actually caused one friend to stop playing, which is a shame because I am sure she will really love the animals and the non-combat stuff being added in 42). The lack of clear objectives is difficult for a lot of new players, especially ones that have never played a sandbox game. The other big one is the not understand the vast amount of systems and feeling overwhelmed

[earnest heron]

I totally agree with Ecn – I had the same experience. Explaining how the inventory works, how to craft, move around, or even just what to do takes a good chunk of time. The game throws a ton of systems and info at you all at once, and it’s easy to get overwhelmed. If someone hasn’t played sandbox games before, they can bounce off real quick.

[soft schooner]

💯

[simple nova]

Well, in that sense it's not getting better with B42 crafting overhaul

[earnest heron]

Either way, I’ve never followed any other game with this much interest haha. I’m from Poland and I’m waiting for Build 42 to fully release with all the content and translations. Funny enough, I was just talking about it with a friend today and he said we’re gonna play it until our eyes burn out haha.

[earnest heron]

Yeeeeah

[soft schooner]

Had one friend who didn't like the camera angle, and didn't realize how complex it was - once I showed him he fell in love. Had another friend who I bought the game for in 2014 and didn't play it, in november of last year he saw one of his streamers play it and then he wanted to play it finally so we did and it was great.

[simple nova]

game of my life. First and only game for which I actively chat on official discord, host servers etc.

[simple nova]

yep...that's it with this game. Hard to sell, but once you're in you never look back

[earnest heron]

That’s so true. Thankfully there are YouTubers and streamers who really helped the game blow up. It makes me genuinely happy when I see Zomboid videos hitting over a million views.

[soft schooner]

trueee ❤️

[earnest heron]

Yeah 100%

[soft schooner]

Yeaa! It has been super exciting watching this game grow over the years

[earnest heron]

Same here

More hands on deck means even more cool stuff coming in future builds.

At the beginning it was just 3 people and a small little project.

Honestly, I prefer chatting here than in general. Feels like there are more chill and positive people around, and it’s nice being able to have longer discussions like this haha.

[simple nova]

here is slower paced. But it's supposed to be a focused discussion on the actual latest release eheh

[earnest heron]

Yeeeaah

[soft schooner]

it definitely doesn't stay on topic sometimes lol but we chilling

[dusky canyon]

Never forget when I went into a fire department's equipment storage room and all they had were rock music tools (guitars, etc...)

🥀

[violet sail]

does firing guns actually give hearing damage without ear protectors or was that not implemented

[abstract terrace]

i dont think that exists

[soft schooner]

Not without a mod (obligatory "there is a mod for that")

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3465727755

[violet sail]

oh there are mods for b42?

for some reason i assumed they couldnt mod while it was unstable

[soft schooner]

Yee just don't submit a bug report from a save that is using mods

Other then that you are good to go with them - there is also a lot of things that were mods in B41 that are just build in now which is lovely

[violet sail]

fuel side indicator 😍

[dusky canyon]

Literally 1984

"14. Do not submit bug reports whilst using mods."

[marsh flame]

I think that's already a thing in vanilla now

Unless I'm going crazy

[violet sail]

it is, that's why i used the heart eyes emoji
cause im a big fan of it

added in b42

[marsh flame]

Ah, my bad misread, sorry about that

[violet sail]

nws

[near sky]

Migrating hordes when?

[soft schooner]

[weary lake]

Hell fucking yeah

[simple nova]

That's the kind of mod that is a very good, grounded and realistic idea but when it comes into effect you hate is in your save...

[simple nova]

One thing that should be discussed is actual procedural generation... It is still pretty barebone from what I saw

No structures, very few ponds and most importantly no sand spawning ever. Not even along the Ohio River....

Which makes longterm procedural land playthroughs impossible and kinda boring...

[grand lantern]

Blogs were very clear that procedural maps would not include structures

[simple nova]

Oh well, fair enough I clearly missed that information. Shame...🙏

[robust garden]

not yet

[dusky canyon]

I don't really care about procedurals, I want to get swimming and waterborne vehicles first (manual and automatic)

Some rivers are only crossable 10 kms down the line lol

Imagine if you could just cross it

[simple nova]

everyone cares about different things I guess. It's a main B42 new feature, and it hasn't been worked on much, nor discussed for a while. Hence me bringing it up

[dusky canyon]

Or the fact that there are islands with structures that you can't access

[dusky canyon]

I think procedural generation was implemented so that players wouldn't face a literal invisible wall at the map border

The map itself is what you see ingame, procedurals are outside the 'border' of the 'playable area' (forests, cities, roads, etc...)

[simple nova]

It's a lot of work for little gain if that's was the only reason. Adding a couple extra blank chunks at the border would have sufficed if that was the only intent

[dusky canyon]

You'd still find an invisible wall

[simple nova]

sure would... Again, I see a lot of wasted potential in procedural generation if that's the only reason for it to be there

[violet sail]

Zombies already migrate from high-population cells to low-population cells (aka cells where you've killed a lot of zombies), and from what I understand they often migrate as hordes.
It's something that can be modified in sandbox settings iirc

[robust garden]

its mostly for servers

that run out of loot overtime and dont have loot respawn

now u can genuinely clear knox county of zeds and still get zed loot and animal loot even years later

meaning loot respawn - off and zombie respawn - off is now viable for multiplayer

as new zombies will infinitely spawn in the procederual generated area

and so will animals

it also means there is technically infinite ammo and guns and other assorted goodies

[abstract terrace]

who the FUCK just leaves an chainmail glove in a trash bin like that

[robust garden]

les jus say he was str8 up jorkin it

nah but fr what is that loot generation

cafeteria with a chainmail glove

[abstract terrace]

its a underground bowling place

[robust garden]

ohhh its a bowling glove?

makes no sense other than if its a placeholder for bowling gloves

[abstract terrace]

no

im talking about the area im in

[robust garden]

yeah

i meant maybe its spawn area being a bowling place is cuz its a placeholder for the bowling glove type

[abstract terrace]

doubt

[robust garden]

they love to add gloves to pz

[abstract terrace]

they wouldnt give us such a powerful item as a placeholder

[robust garden]

it is the unstable

[abstract terrace]

nah i probably just got lucky with the trashbin loot rng

[robust garden]

waterskins should be much less common

with low thirst trait and a waterskin u can survive days without refilling it at this point

i find them on cowboy zombies just wandering the city

[dusky canyon]

?

you can find it (them) at fishing shops

(or butchers)

[abstract terrace]

thats still weird though

its a chainmail glove

[dusky canyon]

no?

it's a chainmail glove which protects you against slashing movements, i.e. you won't cut your fingers off.

[still badge]

very pop in butcher shops

[robust garden]

heyyyy zomboid devs my favorite fake kentucky livers

can u pleaaaaaaaaase give the guitar items a MIDI player function

the immersive melodies minecraft mod does it that way

it would allow us to just download the songs and play them in game without any mods

[soft schooner]

Someone had a mod for that but it was broken the last time I tried to use it in Nov '24

Cool idea though

[robust garden]

imagine the campfire sing alongs we could do with a midi player guitar function

i also hope the devs add more sitting animations to the basic sit on floor option

[covert dew]

chainmail gloves are commonly used in some food prep settings, because they're cut proof. used by people that are doing a large amount of heavy duty chopping.

[robust garden]

i want to be able to sit crisscross or to just lay on the floor

[soft schooner]

Buddy of mine plays live music at weddings and I wanted him to be able to jam out in zomboid

Would be pretty awesome

[robust garden]

the game has so many instruments in it

[warm python]

we would use similar ones for cutting certain ocean fish when i lived in alaska because theyre skin is so tough sometimes you need pliers to remove the skin

[abstract terrace]

interesting

[soft schooner]

My brother uses chainmail glove when doing prep cooking in restaurants as well

Let's you go a lot faster with your cutting

[earnest heron]

I’d like to play a game completely in the wilderness, with no buildings — just lakes, forests, and clearings. Would that be possible? I’d love to see what gameplay would look like in total backcountry isolation.

[grand lantern]

A lot of players have been requesting that, and we have been making changes to crafting to support that kind of challenge

[soft schooner]

🎉

[earnest heron]

Love it 🥰

[dusky canyon]

"To increase realism we have brought survival experts with a combined 200 years of experience of living in the Kentucky wilderness. You will learn how to hunt, eat and live like a Kentuckian native."

[simple nova]

well... Bears are in Kentucky wilderness. Looking forward to that!

[dusky canyon]

there's also the occasional (highly unlikely) alligator 🙂

[simple nova]

That would be cool but I don't see that working super well as gameplay threat (albeit it would work well as fine leather source)

[quiet hemlock]

Idk cities and urban exploring is way more enjoyable than going to the forest

[lime shuttle]

Would the said wilderness maps contain animals that you can domesticate? if needs to be, wilder variants like wild boars...probably could not cover all animals such as milk producing ones but...

[simple nova]

Yes. Would be cool to have a reason (any reason) to go to the wilderness other than doing a primitive challenge. Like I dunno, gather supplies to tailor yourself a nice Moose Hide Satchel, a Wolf Pelt for winter, a Bear rug for your base...

Also as a way to balance things out between city dwellers and wilderness people. Get some uniques to the latter. Make the procedural experience something worthwhile... more than empty land with no end...

[forest rune]

i want a wolf hat

[warm python]

i want a pupper hat!!

but not from a dog lol mind you

[soft schooner]

No moose in Kentucky, but I like your thought process giving people reason to go into the forest is always a good thing

[dusky canyon]

Hey, wanted to ask the devs if custom room logic will be moddable in the future (or plans for implementation).

Basically, right now, interior mods teleport you to an offmap room / cell. It's a bit janky and requires specific map setups. What if you had simulated rooms at the location of the entity (tent, vehicle, etc...), that'd be pretty plug n' play between versions.

Like a TARDIS, really. (A nested '3d' environment inside of the entity.)

One benefit might be that it's lua-based instead of just teleporting back and forth.

[near sky]

That's not a migrating horde though

[violet sail]

Except for when they migrate as a horde

[near sky]

That doesn't happen though

[violet sail]

Well I guess I wouldn't know

But it seems like it could happen

[near sky]

Migration is very misunderstand but its most noticeable in cells that are already active. So where the player is basically, and a cell is only maybe 1.5x the size of the screen fully zoomed out. So you'll never come across the situation where you're walking in an area you've already cleared out or that has a low z population and suddenly a huge horde shambles through

It would have to be a new mechanic

Probably somewhat based on the current implementation of animals migrating

Where it happens even if the player isn't in the cell

[spare granite]

MP will be Tom…

[simple nova]

Yep, I can see wilderness uniques integrating also other aspects of the game

like, you know...unique rare plants to craft quality medicine at high first aid/foraging skill (magic shrooms?!), higher rate of items present anyway, unique raw materials to craft rugs as I mentioned, or in a case of beekeeping being implemented, higher beehive spawns etc...

To give uniques to forests makes also sense from a MP stand point as people in the wild would have something special to barter with city-dwellers

In short...make wilderness special. Something worthwhile

[earnest heron]

That would be awesome

[soft schooner]

🥹

[earnest heron]

I tried to survive in the wilderness, but if I hadn’t brought any tins with me, I would’ve definitely died. I had no way to boil water.

It’s f*cking hard out there

[nocturne sonnet]

why theres a limit to fire?

[earnest heron]

I think it’s because you can’t fit more into a firepit made of just a few stones.

[nocturne sonnet]

I'm talking about the spreading fire

[earnest heron]

On the other hand, you might throw in fuel for 100 hours, and then the rain comes and resets your burn time to zero.

[earnest heron]

Oh, okay haha

[stable wraith]

I'd like for it to have small caves, some of which should even go down to a small second floor

[dense aspen]

WE NEED TO FIND TOM, FOR MP!!!!

[simple nova]

Caves would be awesome and would pair very well with the new underground mapping feature

[buoyant shoal]

it is possible today but you need to spawn yourself outside of the main map with debug and spawn 4 nails to get going

nails are the only thing left preventing a full wilderness play

rest can be found foraging or crafting

[robust garden]

ah i can see the 3 easiest ways to make fire look better now

make the fire sprite more orange the color change it has is jarring

[livid belfry]

Awesome. Hopefully, with NPC animals, we can also have challenges where NPC animals are either friendly / companion to us, or be hostile to us. 😄

[robust garden]

when you open the "discovered recipes and media tab" and click on a specific one like "magazines" it temporarily increases ur view cone

for like 0.5 seconds but its noticable and usable

pretty sure its a bug?

i used it while reading to check my surroundings without canceling the action at all

[simple nova]

If you discover a bug test it in vanilla, record it and post it in the forum following the template (bug report section of the forum)

If you just chat with a dev, it will be lost in the ether.

[earnest heron]

Maybe with the new builds and NPCs they’ll also introduce different variants of animals. For now, I don’t think it’s important, but it would definitely be interesting.

I also think that animals which were previously domesticated could become more aggressive. I’m mainly talking about dogs here, as due to the zombies, they might start seeing the human silhouette as a threat.

[warm python]

i want a tufted titmouse

[keen wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/bouncing-tits-birds-gif-12159497

Titmouse is an excellent bird

[warm python]

hell yah lol , one of my favorite birbs

[keen wharf]

We need some small birds species as AI animals rather than just background noises.

Robins, titmouse cardinals, jay ,crows ect

[warm python]

crows would be funny for crops

[keen wharf]

Crows eating my corn and having a scarecrow to scare them away.

Chicken hawks to pray on your chickens.

[livid belfry]

Tits are really great.

[robust garden]

thing i've heard alot lately is that the sneaking skill and lightfooted skill could be fused together into one skill and nobody would complain

[simple nova]

less skills but more meaningful is not a bad game design choice. Same can be applied to Carving and Carpentry...
Carving could also be combined with Knapping an renamed something like "Basic Crafting"
A lot of skills have not enough meat on to stand by their own (yet)

[robust garden]

i disagree when it comes to crafting based skills

but lightfooted and sneaking are very similiar and could just be fused

[simple nova]

Also Masonry... Very weak in terms of it's usefulness as a stand-alone skill

[robust garden]

the skill menu will be extremely bloated by the time b43 comes around

i think there needs to be changes for sure.

[simple nova]

There's definitely more skills coming too. I want to see lockpicking, maybe some sort of social skill too when it comes with NPCs who knows. Hence some weak skills be better merged than standalone

What's the point of a 10 level skill if by level 4 you unlocked 90% of what you can obtain through it?

[abstract terrace]

yes i also want to see lockpicking

and crowbars being able to pry (atleast wooden) doors open

like holy fucking shit its not that hard

[simple nova]

Thing is, is not a matter of difficulty. Is a matter of priorities.

Devs have a lot on their plate

[warm python]

why when you can just go in a window?

if they added something like that they would probably have to make it so it damages door or something which again why not just break the door or something

also if you play with pre looted set on very high most doors are already broken

[abstract terrace]

because i dont want to swing at the door 10 times like a caveman with a stick

its a crowbar, it'd save me time, energy and most likely also some durability to use it as intended

the only tools you should use to swing at stuff to make a path are two handed axes and sledgehammers/mauls

[warm python]

lol i wonder if you can just fence a pig infront of a door and have it break the door

[earnest heron]

Yes.

Tbh everyone wants something from them haha

Expectations are high

[simple nova]

Its actually great how they manage to get their passion project become the passion project of so many. It's the secret sauce

They just need to keep hiring as they've been doing though. Because the task ahead is still monumental

Although... I am a bit appalled by the fact that the big things they did are somewhat half baked. Good, but not set in stone yet. As the procedural generation or the skill sets discussed above

But overall so far, they're cooking! Game changing at nice pace, there is momentum which is awesome to see

[earnest heron]

On the other hand, the developers work closely with the players, and you can’t say they don’t care about the players’ opinions. I like to look at such half-baked mechanics as a draft. They’ve already implemented quite a lot of things from mods and are actively listening to the community. That’s why I sometimes understand their frustrations.

[warm python]

yah its cool seeing things from the mod creators they hired

[earnest heron]

It’s just that everyone floods them with their own opinions, and sometimes it’s hard to extract a clear stance on a given topic.

[simple nova]

they're a great team and overall doing very well. They have the player in mind in all they do... we should have more studios like them.

But yeah, they're not perfect and I have some things I am not on board with 100%. Which is normal, and healthy

[worn vale]

anyone know why it doesnt give me the coloured map option?

[earnest heron]

If the players were fully satisfied, I think the game would be finished by now haha. I won’t be a hypocrite — I’ll admit that I myself flood them with a lot of my own opinions and expectations for the project.

But it’s all just out of passion, okay? Haha.

[simple nova]

Not how it works, sadly. Many games release out of early access independently of users satisfaction. Again, PZ in the hands of another developer would have been out of early access in B41, get praises for the work and being maintained while the bulk of the team moves to new project to get fresh cash

[earnest heron]

I completely agree

[robust garden]

Its only for debug mode rn

Theres a mod letting u toggle it in the main unstable

Use it until the devs fully implement it

[worn vale]

ah okay is it this one? https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3517352021

[robust garden]

Yes

[worn vale]

okay ty

[earnest heron]

They always deliver what needs to be done. Let them cook.
But honestly, a project like this takes a massive amount of time and energy — and I sometimes need to cool down my own excitement because I forget just how demanding it really is.

[simple nova]

mehhh... I dunno about that. I fear a lot of new skills suffering the same fate as First Aid, or the good ol' Trapping

[earnest heron]

Actually, you’re right — a bit of concern is completely understandable here.

[simple nova]

but time will tell... Maybe they really just take time and they will do the same as they did to Fishing...

Fishing was changed in a positive way. Still unsure of the need of 10 levels for it...but it's a good example

[earnest heron]

Not sure if it really needs all 10 levels, but hey — consistency, I guess 😅

I guess it’s probably just because most skills have 10 levels by default, so they kinda threw it in like that lol

[simple nova]

Most levels for most skills are there to drag the progression... Does it need to be this way? I think it does not. Give one unique recipe to each level. Just one... Infinitely better

[earnest heron]

I actually agree with that — sometimes it feels even more exaggerated than in real life. Not every skill has that much depth to justify so many levels.

[simple nova]

Masonry is worrying. Tracking is deep as a puddle. Glassmaking has less useful recipes I can think of than levels

we shall see. For now, I'm happy with how B42 is shaping up overall. There's momentum and good changes/addition regularly. Cant ask for more

[earnest heron]

Yeah, you’re making some really good points here.

[simple nova]

yeah it's very easy to be an armchair game designer lol

[earnest heron]

😂

[buoyant shoal]

glassmaking needs to be filled with more items

currently kinda useless

tracking again has limited use now

[simple nova]

Thing is, there's so many useful glass items you can have (car and home window). The rest is either decor or items to grind XP

For a skill that is too weak to justify its own existence.

[abstract terrace]

its work in progress chill

some skills will conceptually remain limited though, like knapping

At least i'd imagine so

[simple nova]

Oh yeah I'm chill, I am sure Devs are cooking

I'm just commenting on the current unstable build, that's all

[soft schooner]

I ended up finding how to generators before I found electrical 1 (still not found) still time around lol.

[buoyant shoal]

:))))

[buoyant shoal]

ECN check those small service buildings on the side of the road

they seem to always spawn electrical books

[soft schooner]

totally have been! haha

[buoyant shoal]

the little fenced ones that resemble some electrical station

[soft schooner]

been on the look out for vans too

[buoyant shoal]

vans or OP atm

[soft schooner]

spawned in muldraugh, checked out the bookstore and stuff there, went to rosewood nothing there so far lol

[buoyant shoal]

they spawn wayyy to many stuff inside

[soft schooner]

still need to check the school in rosewood

[buoyant shoal]

useless, been there

nice basement btw

[soft schooner]

oo

[buoyant shoal]

yeah, also check for the bowling alley basement in rosewood

such a nice piece of work from the devs

[soft schooner]

oh sounds good I shall keep an eye out

spent so much time there in b41 so I haven't been spending too much time there in 42

awesome they keep adding details

[buoyant shoal]

I've been doing some events in b41 MP recently

ricks hosted 2 last weekend and it was a pain going back to b41

[soft schooner]

the worst part is remember to swap options files

[buoyant shoal]

yeah, I've fukced that part up and ended having b41 options in b42

[buoyant shoal]

there are, they will add them over time, now is pointless to grind that skill

I have and it's useless

[robust garden]

ngl the devs really should make the "better satchel" mod part of the base game

it just makes the satchel a later game upgrade to the fannypacks

allowing u to wear it with a backpack and funnily enough it has 0 clipping

it looks good.

[robust garden]

brave and fear of blood should not be allowed to be taken together

[still badge]

real

[robust garden]

smoker and athletic contradict themselves

fear of blood and brave do too

give fear of blood an actual reason to exist and make it the opposite of the brave trait

[earnest heron]

Is it possible to become desensitized to the fear of zombies if you kill, say, 2,000 of them without mods?

I think it makes sense. If you’ve been bashing zombies over the head with a baton for a few months, it probably becomes more of a daily routine. Your hands shouldn’t be shaking like they did when you faced your first zombie.

[robust garden]

no.

[soft schooner]

Your panic does decrease as time/zombie slaying happens, but will never gain the trait

[robust garden]

and it wont be as effective

[soft schooner]

Donno if they will ever do dynamic traits

Yup yup

[abstract terrace]

you panic less and less overtime, but there's a limit, a limit that i do not know anything about other than its existence

[weary lake]

Are there any mods that make zombies actually throw hands? Like, not just grabbing, but punching or smth?

It's kinda lame to have zombies to be so harmless

You can just push them with no reprocatuons

And i get it, it's by design, since it's a top down game.

[robust garden]

make wound infections actually lethal

[weary lake]

Not lethal

[robust garden]

irl if u get a shard of glass lodged in u and it gets infected ur gonna die without proper medication.

[weary lake]

Just annoying

[robust garden]

its zomboid it should be lethal

[weary lake]

It should push you to the edge, not throw you over it.

[robust garden]

colds and fevers can kill u

so why cant an infected wound

[weary lake]

I mean yeah

[robust garden]

would give u a reason to ACTUALLY hold onto alcohol wipes and bottles

and keep ur bandages clean.

would also make the first aid skill actually worth it cuz in multiplayer if ur shot by a bullet and that deepwound gets infected it should mean certain death without a proper firstaid procedure

removing the bullet with sterilized tools

and sewing the wound shut and disinfecting it

and using clean bandages.

[robust garden]

two options:

heat sterilization

medical alcohol soaks

unclean tools should cause a wound to get worse

its not a firstaid rework its just changing how infection and being unclean effects u

firstaid rework would have to be much more detailed

[ionic rover]

Id like it to kill you but I mean sandbox settings are a thing so best of both worlds

[split idol]

You don't?

Also I think there are mods out there that make medical a bit more punishing

Immersive Medicine Revised is one option. Adds blood types and transfusions, expands the places you can get wounded (rather than the arm or hand, it's split into hands, forearms, upper arms, same for the legs), heart rate and blood pressure, stuff like that

Expanded medicine system: treatment requires the correct choice of approach and equipment.
Professions and traits: new specializations and traits.
Surgery: new injuries and treatment methods through surgical interventions. — in development
Chemistry: the ability to create drugs and chemicals for treatment and survival. — in development```

[small hinge]

I feel like the injury system doesnt need much expansion from where it's at. It's illness thats missing

[livid belfry]

And more medications and treatments.

[small hinge]

Obviously haha, gotta be able to treat the illnesses yeah

And i suppose more treatments for injuries too yea

[abstract terrace]

dying from a neck/head scratch and losing excess amounts of blood, ookkaaaaayyyy

or your character being in total agony from 3 mere scratches and/or muscle soreness

infections definitely need to be made lethal
types of wounds have to be rebalanced and expanded upon, because an abrasion can be a minor or a major one, same with cuts, burns..., blunt trauma
I'd definitely be in stinging pain from scratching my knees on the ground, but i wouldnt be spasming from the sheer strenght of that pain

also i guarantee you that even from fairly strong pain you'd still be able to fall asleep

the second stage of the pain moodle ingame doesnt let you sleep unless you're completely exhausted which to me is a bit silly

all of this needs a rework

[small hinge]

Well sure but id consider that a refinement rather than an expansion

[abstract terrace]

i agree with the expansion part too, though

im just saying that we need to go further than just more illnesses

because the current amount of "content" in the medical system doesn't allow for a lot of room to tweak things reasonably and make them work well

[grim gust]

Is it just me or why cant I cross that bridge? If I right click there it gives me the same tooltips as if clicking on normal water tiles. Is this a new bug or what is up with that?

[quiet hemlock]

Your character has a fear or bridges

[keen wharf]

weird

[brave shadow]

Guys is it me or the default fuel consumption multiplier is too much low, like if we be a bit realistic irl the cars fuel consumption is waaay to much if u drive a car daily in comparison to the game, but about the generator’s i think its a good value for their fuel consumption

Just wanted to see if u guys also change the value when playing, i thought now that they change default settings they maybe get a feedback on that matter too

[abstract terrace]

i think default fuel consumption is fine given how often you'll be driving later in your save

it is reasonable

[robust garden]

Roadkill sized animals should not in any world be able to damage the wind shield or the front of the vehicle instead make them cause tire damage

Deer should cause all 3.

I mean if u hit a rabbit irl with ur car

I doubt the windshield will cave in and break

[keen wharf]

runs over a rabbit or a rodent if causes damage to the hood , windshield and headlights logic

ran over some rats and it destroyed most of my hood.

[robust garden]

Its genuinely the most aggrivating thing in b42

In b41 u could avoid vehicle damage by being a good driver but in b42 if u hit a microscopic particle ur vehicle explodes

[keen wharf]

driving whiles there is puddles on the ground and cant see the rabbits and rodents on the roads.

[abstract terrace]

"leather" as a crafting resource should be an amount, not a static item

youre telling me i cant gather any dirty leather without using a hook? yeah right

none of the resource gains should be gatekept by the meat hook structure, all it should do is merely give you much more of what you're harvesting

[simple nova]

I agree. In B41 fuel consumption was so low I had to crack it up significantly to see an impact. Now it's way better. I personally still like it a bit higher than vanilla, but that's just me

[livid belfry]

Please go to the official forums and report this as a bug. It might be the bridge tiles aren't using the same properties and got mixed up with the water tiles.

[robust garden]

add the colt python to project zomboid

name it the "Cult Revolver" or sum

rarest handgun in game would be the equivelent to the m16 but for sidearms and will have the ability to use two ammo types

spawns in the police station evidence locker room very rarely but is more common to be found in military checkpoints

[buoyant shoal]

@soft schooner that Reddit post ;)))

the moment I saw the coffee pic I knew it was you 😉

[weary lake]

It drives me crazy that we have both .223 and 5.56mm, and yet they ARENT INTERCHANGEABLE

Like, it's literally the same ammo type

You should be able to put .223 into yo m16

And wise versa with that bolt action gun

It doesn't make sense that you cannot

[fresh night]

i dont think you can use 556 in a 223 gun

you can use 223 in a 556 gun but not the other way

[weary lake]

You can, just not for long

It will degrade faster

But still give you a few shots

[soft schooner]

🤣

figured I might as well collect that sweat karama

[violet sail]

does your clothing affect your run speed now or has that not been added yet

[robust garden]

always has

also snow does too so goodluck playing sprinters in winter

you basically fall into the snow trying to run and can even slip

heavy clothing = early death

[violet sail]

in build 41 it didnt
it says it does but it doesnt

[robust garden]

well it does now

shoes also effect it

you run slower in boots and much slower in heels

but u are speed in sneakers

boots for durability + damage

sneakers for running

[versed zodiac]

Is it safe to ask... "mp when?" 😂

[marsh flame]

No, a TIS kill team will be dispatched to your house momentarily

[simple storm]

How rude I live here!!!

[violet sail]

honestly i couldnt tell the difference

for me, boots + firefighter pants felt the saem as sneakers + normal pants

[ionic elm]

anyone know why my cow has been in the "about to give birth stage" for like an in game week?

[proper niche]

This barn is on the minimap and on the graveyard map and even on the site with the 42 build map, but it's not in the game.

This is West Point.

[forest rune]

poverty lane lol

[keen wharf]

poor people street

[simple nova]

Way to go is to note the coordinates and post them along with screenie of B42 map and in game. In the forum

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/85-bug-reports/

[proper niche]

I can't do this.

[abstract terrace]

how so

every B42 player can do it

[livid belfry]

I think this looks promising for Project Zomboid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqu2AlxdUH8&ab_channel=BUBBLE

Maybe we can add more recipes for soap in Build 42? Since we're onto crafting/building and stuffs..............

[robust garden]

https://tenor.com/view/project-fight-club-clever-gif-13671991

[robust garden]

Please for the love of zomboid, indie stone add an option to equip the flashlight to ur belt as a hotkey

I hate having to go into my backpack just to equip it every single time i need it

Im not talking like (use flashlight while its on ur belt) im talking as an equip hotkey

Like a holster is for guns.

[buoyant shoal]

F

Also I paid my respects

@soft schooner have you tried livin in the procedural lands?

beyond the borders?

[lime shuttle]

I don't know how true this is but was browsing reddit (yuck!) out of boredom on me phone and in the PZ subreddit some people said devs are going to go away with right-click interactions in favor of making the game work better via console support

I would assume they referred to things like barricading with right click, not necessarily the "climb through window" mobility things

If true, please don't. If not true, fuck reddit.

[buoyant sandal]

i wonder why dev dont add diesel engine

diesel are more heavy than gasoline

[robust garden]

cuz they already added tainted gasoline

diesel would just complicate things

i mean unless they add semi's and bigger trucks

tbh a huge diesel flatbed pickup would be nice

[buoyant sandal]

well diesel is more torque but less speed

gasoline is less torque and fast

[robust garden]

gasoline and diesel technically expire irl

in game currently it doesn't expire yet

[buoyant sandal]

like old fuel?

[robust garden]

irl gas has an expiration date of like a few months

in an irl apocalypse like pz's we'd be out of cars in less than a year

[buoyant sandal]

so you mean its old fuel

[robust garden]

pz hasn't fully implemented gas expiration yet

but they did add tainted fuel so maybe someday we'll get expiration on gas

they actually reworked syphoning in b42

now requiring a hose etc

[buoyant sandal]

hopefully there will custom engine that homemade

[robust garden]

cars are getting a rework soon fully

[buoyant sandal]

like homemade vehicle

also

[robust garden]

animated vehicles and actual parts

[buoyant sandal]

i wonder why tractor wont get added in pz it would be cool for farm

[robust garden]

u can indeed make homemade vehicle modifications too

[buoyant sandal]

very good for food

and transport but too much drink alot fuel

[buoyant sandal]

intresting

[robust garden]

u can see the engine n stuff

[buoyant sandal]

yes i can see

also imagine turbo get added

[robust garden]

pretty sure they hired a mod creator for the vehicle update

cuz the vehicle armor looks like the mod from b41

[buoyant sandal]

maybe

[robust garden]

u can test the vehicle update in debug mode

but it isn't anywhere near done....

[buoyant sandal]

i hope pz will add tractor

and harvester too

[robust garden]

it'd be difficult for them to add with the current vehicle code i bet

pretty sure thats why its getting a rework

we could totally get semi's in b43

HOPEFULLY TOWING GETS A FULL MAKEOVER SOON

[buoyant sandal]

it could be

most tractor use hydraulic for working hitch turn down or up

used for plow or smth

and many parts need be added that u need clean

air filter and carburetor/injection and change old oil to new oil and more

[livid belfry]

Wasn't there a new flashlight added to Build 42, where you can do this?

[robust garden]

its different

[livid belfry]

Oh

[robust garden]

theres 3 flashlights in game

angled flashlight attaches to military webbing (end game item)

[livid belfry]

Yeah, that one

[robust garden]

flashlight can be used with a pistol for tactical aiming in the dark

and heavy flashlight which is just a longer battery

and bigger

[livid belfry]

I thought this angled flashlight is the one you need?

If it doesn't, oh well.

[robust garden]

irl u can easily put a normal flashlight on ur belt tho idk why pz doesnt let u

finding an angled flashlight is much harder

it only spawns on military zeds and in law enforcement areas

[livid belfry]

True, but from the community, they wanted it there because they claimed "you're not going to be using flashlights for long in practice anyway."

[robust garden]

flashlights in pz are needed once ur a year in

[livid belfry]

Yeah

[robust garden]

0 power or water looting buildings in pitch dark is dangerous

[livid belfry]

And this is why we prefer getting infinite gasoline. Gasoline => Generator => Power => Battery Charger => Flashlight with Rechargeable Battery

Oh right, batteries in vanilla is non-rechargeable...

Do batteries spawn with zombies?

[robust garden]

u can find batteries in like every single lootpool

bandit zeds spawn with them in backpacks sometimes

[soft schooner]

I haven't yet, I hear there is no bodies of water out there so it seems like survival would be near non existent

[abstract terrace]

and the pictures provided are all official WIP implementations?

or are you just showing mods

[robust garden]

Yes

[robust garden]

No.

[abstract terrace]

thats super cool, do we have any more?

[robust garden]

no cuz they deleted the blog

[abstract terrace]

even the ones youve already shown are new to me

[robust garden]

but u can test them in game urself

[abstract terrace]

how lame -_-

[robust garden]

Go into debug mode u get access to 5 wip features

Reworked cars-chainsaws-

Reworked Map

[robust garden]

Pyramid rendering with color and road names and fully new visual style

[robust garden]

Chainsaws arent functional yet

Rework cars are 40% done

[abstract terrace]

didnt know debug has that

[robust garden]

Debug is like unstable 2

Project zomboid b42 super unstable

Debug also has a few things to do with animals

Limb dismemberment is also coming eventually

And dogs horses and cats (confirmed on twitter and in a blog by the indie stone)

[abstract terrace]

me when the opps keep dissing me so i just chew their arms off

[buoyant shoal]

There are but very rare

I am living out there far far away

but with some tweaks to sandbox like spawning in some deer to hunt and added also some dirt and sand tiles close to spawn point

you need to start out with 4 nails, a burlap piece and a copper kettle to boil water

from that point it's pure wilderness

8 days in now

wildly intense out there ;))

for hunting you must use the crossbow mod I think pallontras

[soft schooner]

that is awesome

hoping they get it closer to fully sustainable out there right off the bat

rather than having to spawn things in

[soft schooner]

🔥

[robust garden]

dismemberment visuals are lookin fire

i cant wait for this to be implemented

[sweet bone]

will zombie population in echo creek ever get fixed? I don't think it's supposed to be like that

[junior garnet]

Hey guys if you had to guess when build 42 will officially release and not be in unstable?

[sweet bone]

a year or two from now

for reference - build 41 was in unstable for 3 years

[junior garnet]

Oh wow I didnt know build 41 was unstable for that long but I appreciate it thank you

[simple nova]

that said, the studio grew significantly since then. Lot's more people working on the game now.

So, the point stands, it will take time. But hopefully not 3 years

[simple nova]

that's 42.9 as it shows in the screen...

[sweet bone]

it's the same in 42.10

[simple nova]

Also, everything can be made sense of. You can either say it's not supposed to be like that because is a small town, or it is supposed to be like that because people from urban areas seek shelter in rural places.

The only issue I have with that population in that rural town is gameplay related, especially as it's a spawn town. Lore wise could make sense

[sweet bone]

why would they introduce something like that? echo creek was the quitest spawn of all ever since 42.0

[simple nova]

Counterpoint, westpoint got very much quieter

[sweet bone]

no wells nearby

[simple nova]

you dont need a well early game

[sweet bone]

I need a well early game

or at least somewhere remote with farming potential

[simple nova]

you don't necessarily need to spawn in that hypothetical place. You can travel to it.

See, you answered your own question

Echo creek is a sweet little place, you gotta earn the right to inhabit it

[sweet bone]

well actually the farm next door from echo creek is the best place to be and not much zombies are there

but I guess I can travel there from rosewood

[simple nova]

there you go...they don't need to change anything then eheh

human ingenuity is a beautiful thing

[sweet bone]

but still
guns unlimited would make for a much better shelter
hence the population there

and it's a 1 minute drive from echo creek so

[simple nova]

don't get me wrong. The pop you showcase puzzles me too, and I think that given how zed spawn have been reworked its not supposed to be like that

But I can see how to justify it. I can live with that, especially knowing that former hell-holes such as WP are now less much so

[sweet bone]

well tbh yes west point has much more breathing room now

[robust garden]

BRO THEY ADDED CONDITON TO BAGS

IT HAS HOLES IN IT???

[robust garden]

Imagine slowly losing your loot and thinking you're going insane. But it's just a hole in your bag

[earnest heron]

I hope that we will see actual person if the wind shield will be broken

[dusky canyon]

soon is a stretch

the devlog is pretty old iirc

[keen wharf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1389233604445470873/1392916294302568569/six-years-ago-we-were-teased-vanilla-vehicle-armor-in-a-v0-V0Pqib-0eBfbZCgTcUIJFwWphepw5C4Jis_P1awo-7w.webp?ex=687145e3&is=686ff463&hm=09a25bcc8dc77d0e26e2664004f78be660c34cb683c6473fdca56c21a422db8a&=&format=webp

logic of how the front wheels will be able to turn if they are covered by metal

[quiet hemlock]

When is zomboid getting a supporter pack so I can give more money

[livid belfry]

Wasn't there a 4 player bundle pack, so you can buy 4 copies of the game and gift 3 of them to your friends?

Well, instead of that, buy 4 individual copies of Project Zomboid, so you are paying the full amount of $20 x 4, which is enough to support the devs.

That alone will support the devs for at least a couple of days worth of support. If you can get together more people to buy the individual copies, they will add up immensely.

[lunar ivy]

Spiffo 3.0 plush when?

[atomic igloo]

Anyone else having issues trying to light a campfire???

[ashen compass]

make sure you got kindling

[abstract terrace]

you need a piece of something flammable to start it, even when youve already added fuel to the campfire

so for example you need a disposable lighter + wood splinters to light it up

or matches + napkins

twigs

scrap wood

[atomic igloo]

yeah, i tried with a rag but. so far no luck

[abstract terrace]

I do not know what you're doing wrong

[buoyant shoal]

notched plank + tree branch

find more than 1 branch, it usually breaks

[earnest heron]

They should do something to make it possible to voluntarily donate some money to the project. I think there would be a few people who would support the project.

[grim gust]

There is already an hot key for that

[lime shuttle]

Someone suggested this elsewhere and it was said TIS definitely doesn't need more money and just purchasing the game is enough. And that you can always leave a review and word of mouth about the game to others if you feel like it.

[spare nacelle]

Very much correct, and if you did want to add additional support we'd much rather it be by gifting a copy of the game to someone who doesn't have it than just a donation of cash.

[buoyant shoal]

yes this is what I am hoping for, I needed to spawn close to a body of water or create one myself with the brush tool

also sand needs to be added with the brush tool, tiles don't exist

and I've added iron ore tiles that can be extracted otherwise no iron.is to be found

also animals don't spawn there, they either venture from the Kentucky map or don't exist

blending is very nice out there it's now beautiful to the eye and spawns affinity tiles like no other

the affinity tiles work perfectly

kudos TIS

the bushes you'd expect to find insects and other fruits or plants do actually spawn them

there is enough shit to be found on the ground I had to decrease foraging multiplier to 0,5

the ore tiles also spawn different types of stones as well like the flint deposits spawn flint nodules and flint flakes, it's awsome the way the have tuned this

Knapping by far is the most tedious skill to grind, it needs more low lvl recipes otherwise you're stuck with knapping flint nodules into flakes and flakes into stone blades

stone blades + spears = ultimate zombie killing weapon as for primitive runs

1 shots most of them even with high muscle strain

[still badge]

knapping is like tailoring grind but on steriods

[buoyant shoal]

tailoring is ok even in full wilderness, just start with +1, pick thread and craft briefs footraps etc

once you get you're first scissors you can shorten different clothes for XP

there is also a mod to craft burlap using grass thread and twine resemblance of early human techniques doesn't break lore or immersion

with a burlap piece you get even more options

tailoring is filled really nicely as of 42.10

with plenty of items to craft now

its the leather items you technically can't craft cauz there are no animals spawning in the procedural lands, I've added groups of deer nearby that seem to follow same logic with pathing around but very hard to hunt in deep forest

and for hunting use the crossbow mod since there are no ranged bows.....

[soft schooner]

[buoyant shoal]

yeah ECN you would love it out there

zombies appearing behind trees

no weapons just branches and sticks

[soft schooner]

purrfect

yea I will have to try a run soon 😄

[earnest heron]

That sounds awesome

[buoyant shoal]

also hard

[sturdy sable]

I remember reading something about bows before do you or does anyone know if they're still planned for 42? I would love to live out a 28 years later run someday lmao

[simple nova]

yes Bowery is in the plans for b42. Just needs a lot of work to implement

[sturdy sable]

Makes sense, thank you

[sick scarab]

Yeah. Something similar happened to me. But it's because the map receives some changes in certain patches.
In this case, the virtual map is on 42.8.
If your world started before that version, it's possible that certain things won't appear on the map.
If not, then it's a bug.

[proper niche]

I created a world already on 42.10, even on the minimap you can see this barn, but it's not in the game, I'll wait for the update

[normal schooner]

Indie stone please add barricades back to the right click menu

[robust garden]

Its not a big deal idk why people want it back ur not gonna be barricading all that often

Its only 2 extra clicks now

[normal schooner]

What if you need to barricade something really quick

It could save a run

[robust garden]

That isnt really a thing in zomboid

If theres thaaat many zeds ur cooked to begin with

U cant escape out the back door and how would u kill the zeds behind the barracades

[normal schooner]

You could rest before the zeds break the barricades i guess xd

I think it should just be in the right click menu

[robust garden]

U can with spears but its unlikely u kill em all before ur spear breaks

[robust garden]

it doesnt need to be anymore

The reason they made it no longer a right click is to keep all construction in one menu

Imagine looking for barricades in the construction menu as a new player and them not being there

[spare nacelle]

One of the big reasons as well is that as we add more and more to the game the context menus start to cause problems with UX/UI design, and code maintainability suffers (which slows down development and is prone to bugs).

We're aware that the current system definitely needs improvement, and that's a high priority for the team, but there is a long-term plan to get away from right-click context menus that will ultimately improve the experience overall once it's fully implemented.

[robust garden]

👍

[robust garden]

Does the zomboid dev team still plan on adding amputation to the game

[simple nova]

I doubt that this is within the scope of this build TBH... First aid overhaul belongs to B43 I suspect

[spare nacelle]

It's something that is considered and continues to be considered, but it's currently a lower priority than other things.

[robust garden]

👍

[fresh night]

[buoyant shoal]

that only cure mod outmemed them again ;))

like the balaclava reddit post

[simple nova]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3522680786&searchtext=

Stuff like this should be vanilla

[wheat condor]

🤮 minigame

[earnest heron]

In my opinion, there are a few serious issues with amputation:
1. If you’re missing a leg or an arm, creating a properly functioning prosthetic is a real challenge. With a mod, you can just slap on an arm and it behaves like a normal one, which is basically impossible—especially considering the game is set in 1993.
2. Amputation isn’t easy at all. If you cut in the wrong spot, you’ll bleed out and die pretty quickly.
3. If you had to amputate a limb yourself, you’d probably pass out during the process and bleed to death.
4. Realistically, only another character could do it—either another player or an NPC with a high First Aid skill.
5. And what if your character loses a leg, for example? Would they hop around without a prosthetic? And if they lose an arm? Most actions would become extremely difficult or outright impossible.

It sounds cool and exciting, and I get the appeal—but considering Zomboid’s focus on realism, it’s insanely complex and hard to pull off right.

[robust garden]

add torso pain as a possible variant of sleeping on an uncomfortable bed/chair

lets say u sleep on a wooden chair

u get torso pain + neck pain

[robust garden]

zomboid has alot of new animation tools they could use for basic amputation

peg leg for leg just slightly different walkin anim

if ur arm is cut off just let u throw on a knife hand like rick grimes

nothing too fancy.

prosthetic limbs have existed for hundreds of years

[earnest heron]

Yeah, but then you’d have to adapt the entire game for a player who successfully went through an amputation. You can’t drive without legs or hammer in boards using just one hand.

[buoyant shoal]

it's hard to actually draw a line between realism in zomboid and realism IRL bc well....you know... zombies.....

[robust garden]

no u dont

Just add a skill level for one handed skills

U can fire a gun with one hand just not a two handed gun

Only remove the option of two handed things if u lose a hand

[earnest heron]

Yeah, I get it — it could definitely be a cool mechanic if the devs ever decide to actually implement it. But I feel like it might be way more complicated than it seems at first glance. Just saying.
I’d honestly love to see how it would look, and I’m always a fan of cramming as much stuff into this game as possible haha.

[buoyant shoal]

like muscle strain which was very nice to somehow work combined with muscle fatigue, after straining the muscle, lactic acid builds up and it becomes fatigued

this is how muscle straining works IRL

[earnest heron]

You’re right here, that actually works pretty well.

[buoyant shoal]

I'm sure they will find the best way to implement such mechanics if they decide it needs to be in the vanilla game

[earnest heron]

If they actually manage to implement that into the game, my eyes might just pop out 😄
But honestly, we know passionate people are working on this game, so you really can’t rule anything out just because it’s hard to do.

I was just saying it might be hard to pull off, but I don’t really know anything about game development, so… yeah 😅

[robust garden]

fix being able to shoot behind urself it makes guns actually a lil op the m14 is practically a point n click horde destroyer

[livid belfry]

What can you do? Game has multi-faceted things the devs have planned at a higher priority.

I'm just glad that the devs are prioritizing what needed to be prioritized.

[fresh night]

dismemberment should be the highest priority

[robust garden]

an idea to make project zomboid less laggy

if multiple zeds are killed in one tile they should all become a single texture that is just group of zombie corpses

[spring flame]

This would help especially with low end game pc's that struggle to handle larger amounts of data etc

[robust garden]

Also rendering further away tree textures in lower resolution

[spring flame]

So like potato potato? If we talk video game slang

[robust garden]

I mean pz isnt a heavy hardware required game but with high pop settings the corpses can cause lag

[spring flame]

Imo I have managed to crash pz after using debug commands to spawn over 500 on my old laptop... that was a few years ago though, I dont have the laptop anymore to test it

[robust garden]

clipping with rifles on big bags is still an issue?

ik thats a shotgun but still

[keen wharf]

nice base

[worthy olive]

Multiplayer next?

Pretty please??

[abstract terrace]

Too early for that bud

[abstract terrace]

This is true, but its nonetheless remains impressive that you can have hundreds of zombies onscreen and still be able to play

[buoyant shoal]

so they have been listening to the blacksmithing feedback and have squished that 2 spoons > 2 chunk repeat exploit :))

you need 10 spoons for 1 chunk hahahhahaha

the little swines have fixed that

[quiet hemlock]

10 spoons for metal?

What kind of metal are spoons anywya

[lime shuttle]

stainless steel, except for magicians, they are gallium

[buoyant shoal]

I may have given away the exploit talking here about it

they definitely fixed that ;))

next time I'll keep it quiet

[buoyant shoal]

there is no way to advance to steel from iron

and there is a horrible bug smelting crushed iron will yeld a large crucible with steel ;))))

no way to cast a steel ingot at the simple furnace you need the lvl 3 one

and why does the hatchet head require steel chunk pierced and the axe head iron / steel chunk pierced ?

@spare nacelle you aware of this ?

[lime shuttle]

he asked what they are made of (most commonly), Vintage Story taught me well how massive gap there is in making iron blooms and steel

[buoyant shoal]

the forged ones are iron made

[buoyant shoal]

sry idk what are you talking about

[earnest heron]

ok, so what do i need to keep going in wilderness? I mean can i find any kind of steel somehow? lol

I'm trying my run and i have been alive for a week now but i only manage to survive, make a bucket of cement and build an amphora

I took only 3 cans so i can boil water

Somebody told that u need only 4 nails but i see you need a whole bunch of them. Am I wrong?

[buoyant shoal]

you need nails to build a pottery wheel to sculpt a crucible to smelt iron stuff

and a burlap piece to sew a sack

[simple nova]

have you got that nice little flowchart from retanaru with all crafting requirements by any chance?

[earnest heron]

This is so hard to just survive and i did not kill any zombie yet haha

[buoyant shoal]

nope

[simple nova]

Found it!

[earnest heron]

Holyyy

That will help, thanks

[simple nova]

no worries 🙂

[buoyant shoal]

take care that is 42.8

and some of the recipes have been reworked in the last patches

also if you are doing no loot, wire cannot be crafted

[earnest heron]

I’m not even sure if it makes sense to jump into playing in this style so early.
I really hope the devs add a proper mode where it’s just wilderness and everything is set up in a way that allows you to craft most of the essential stuff.
Some people also mentioned that animals on procedurally generated maps either don’t spawn at all or behave very strangely — is that true?

I think we just need to wait until it’s really finished, because right now my head is overheating from all of this — especially since I don’t understand everything in English, and the game is only partially translated into Polish.

[simple nova]

yep animals in procedural lad do not spawn

[earnest heron]

Ever since they added the possibility to survive in the wilderness, I can’t think about anything else — it’s super exciting to me haha.

My dream is to one day do a run where I can start with nothing, deep in the wilderness, with a high zombie population — and do it all together with my friends.

Honestly, I think that’s the toughest challenge you can go for in Zomboid — unless you throw in sprinters that open doors, haha.

[keen wharf]

living long enough for wildlife to take over the abandoned buildings and seeing deer present in the towns and cities

[normal schooner]

You would have to crawl around everywhere if you lost a leg

Or maybe you could use a walking stick

[sleek bane]

Quick question, what does the dome kiln craft?

[abstract terrace]

its just another structure that can make charcoal

making a charcoal pit or a charcoal burning barrel works just as good

[soft schooner]

Aiteron, maker of better lockpicking mod (many mini games) was hired by TIGS and went on to make the fishing minigame. So likelihood is you are going to be seeing more mini games built into PZ.

I think chuck did a good job with this the tailoring mod tbh

[buoyant shoal]

nope, you can do that run today just add in your inventory using -debug the following: 4 nails 1 burlap piece and some wire

you can base off the border of the procedural lands and animals will venture in from the Kentucky area

problem is iron ore, it's broken

I've forage for it with foraging 8 and no chance

either add some ore tiles or no iron

[earnest heron]

Okay, thanks! :))

[buoyant shoal]

coke

you can't make coke without the dome kiln

if you're going for steel you need the dome kiln

[buoyant shoal]

........

[abstract terrace]

shrug

i had a guy check the differences between a barrel and a dome kiln and they seem to have the same uses

so perhaps coke production is exclusive to the dome kiln but you can still make charcoal in it

[buoyant shoal]

they both make charcoal but coke requires the kiln

some steel recipes require coke not regular charcoal

without the kiln you can't get coke and access those recipes

[wheat condor]

To be fair, I like the fishing minigame. Because it feels like fishing. But when I see stardewesque or Tetris mini games I cry inside. To me, those are incredibly unimmersive

[empty apex]

When you kill zombies do they ragdoll? I remember doing so and it was so cool

[abstract terrace]

with firearms and vehicles

[empty apex]

I hate about bats and axes? Those were my fav

[abstract terrace]

no melee

[rocky gorge]

.13 is MP by the way

[nocturne sonnet]

probly in 42.11

[earnest heron]

I don’t Think so

But we will see

I think they can bomb something unexpected once again

[abstract terrace]

possible, but perhaps not

[atomic igloo]

i need/want you to be right.

[rocky gorge]

Believe hard enough and it could come true

If not you'll be slightly disappointed before latching onto the next speculated release

[atomic igloo]

i see nothing wrong with that logic

[abstract terrace]

im 40+ days into my save and i already started farming and producing metal tools

this is peak

[simple nova]

If it's time for some fun speculations, my bet is on a major feature that we kind of expect. Or at least the header of the 42.10 kinda implied. If we don't see 42.11 this week especially

[soft schooner]

That is fair 😃

[soft schooner]

!rj

[odd plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/705490390001778789/786347953622482995/52af9b71-b8b3-4af3-9c4b-d90fb931e8ad.gif

[simple nova]

damn, shoving accidentally a ragdoll while is on the floor actually froze my character for a good 3 seconds. Death sentence

[robust garden]

Theres 2 major bugs in this patch

With ragdolls disabled sometimes the zeds will still get ragdolled

And shoving ground zombies instead of shooting them when aiming downwards

[soft schooner]

Didn't this one start in .8 or .9?

[robust garden]

Yeah

[robust garden]

Is sleep not effecting the vision cone in b42 an intended feature

[abstract terrace]

the flashlight on a pole structure also sometime produces light even when turned off, and the backpack sprayer has a duplicating bug when you're unstowing it while it's equipped

[buoyant shoal]

!dance

[odd plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[versed steeple]

!dance

[odd plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[still badge]

How is 42.10 treating everyone?

[abstract terrace]

ran into some little bugs yesteday, already reported them

[still badge]

Like what 🤔

[abstract terrace]

had one item duplicate itself and a wooden light pole remain active even when turned off

[still badge]

I’ll keep an eye out when I start playing

Might do my first ever primitive run

[hardy kernel]

still no mp?