42.9.0 UNSTABLE Released

[wind vortex]

especially with those electrical boxes and circuits installed on some houses

[lone sorrel]

i know what you mean but i still have yet to see it in unstable

[wind vortex]

that stuff already exists in their internal builds but not ready for us

[lone sorrel]

im waiting for it

[wind vortex]

plumbing rework also

[cold harness]

The modular machine crafting stuff is missing still

That and multiplayer as far as I am aware

[wind vortex]

that also exists in the internal builds

[lone sorrel]

would you elaborate on what you mean by that

i dont know what that is referring to

[wind vortex]

he's probably talking about machines

[cold harness]

They showed in the past a system where you can build modify existing machines in factories to for example make. Orange juice (one that presses it and another machine that gives an output to a bottle)

[wind vortex]

that's coming later

[cold harness]

B43 or still b42?

I know they wanted to have it for b42, but not 100% sure anymore

[wind vortex]

they are working to get it all in 42 but as they said it's possible it won't be 100% like that

[lone sorrel]

👍

[wind vortex]

some of the machines will make it in like the drill press, arch furnace, metal bandsaw

only the bandsaw is working rn

there are a lot of other industrial tiles which have no function now

and we could see them come to life later

but that complex machinery you talked about (orange juice) remains a mistery of when and how it will be pushed out

[wind vortex]

that's irrelevant for now, can't push out MP as long as the unstable SP build is not complete

[lone sorrel]

true

[cold harness]

That for sure. it's the thing on the list

Btw is it just me or did I miss something in this update or possibly a prior one: last time when I actively played was in February and at that time there were like 700 Zeds in and around guns unlimited. Now with the same settings there are only around 120-180 Zeds? Inside only like 30-50 Zeds. I can remember that when I cleared it with the exact same sandbox settings there were hundreds pouring out that building. But now I am more or less able to sneak inside from the back and get to the lockers where they have a bit a ammo and a few guns without having to kill more than 10 or 20 Zeds?

Did they adjust zed spawns inside buildings at some point?

[west stirrup]

yeah, people complained that it took too long and were suspecting the devs didnt do any work

whichever way you go some gamers will be upset

[edgy pumice]

there are no good choices.

only least catastrophic

[west stirrup]

Youre not wrong, but lots of "little" things add up. Sure, once off an item like dowels wont take long but with lots of little things, it ends up also bogging down development. You gotta draw, model, make up loot tables for it,add crafts and craft requirements, its not like its no work at all. If its not in its probably not been gotten around to yet, I'm sure we'll see em in b42 sometime

I'm satisfied with filling in gaps with mods

[edgy pumice]

i hope work in making little mods official continues. people suck at optimizing

[west stirrup]

yeah, its nice to not have to use a mod because a vanilla alternative becomes available

[cold harness]

B42 alone eliminated around 100 mods I used in b41

[trail fiber]

Till now I'm very happy with the unstable , i just miss balance in butchering, better workstation blueprints and food related recipes like brweing and long preservation for meat

[unkempt coral]

https://tenor.com/view/troy-community-room-fire-pizza-gif-5612111

A younger me would probably complain about development speed too so I get it on one level. But having now worked on multiple distributed teams, and divisions with multiple teams, I have nothing but respect for the devs. People don’t understand how hard it is to get even 5 people to row in the same direction on a project - add to that the idea of coding in a compatible way on one discrete project where everyone’s code and ideas can impact everyone else it’s a massive ask to make something that is consistent and works.

If I had to lead more than 3-4 people working at the exact same time on the same slide deck changing things around at the same time with different ideas and styles I would blow my brains out lmao.

[wary herald]

is there a mod that increases zombie render limit?

[potent hedge]

The moment when people think "42.10" would break the galaxy:

[abstract sparrow]

Honestly, it will not for me.

42.42.0 will break it for me.

The unbearable weight.

This dense.... thing.

Ooaowwww

[unkempt coral]

Its like Y2K all over again! Panic!

[nocturne nexus]

Haha

What crazy time that was

[vivid jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1359927965621682296/1361957593173590118/attachment.gif

[unkempt coral]

almahr the oracle when next update

[vivid jungle]

4 weeks

Give or take

[unkempt coral]

https://tenor.com/view/aladdin-oracle-spoken-disney-cartoon-gif-21221590

[south quiver]

I feel like maybe 2 weeks but it would probably be a quick patch

[unkempt coral]

Yeah hotfix for sure next week i'd guess, the double wooden gate bug is a biggy

and they said its already fixed lol

[south quiver]

What wrong with it?

[unkempt coral]

You cannot make a double gate of any kind, wooden, metal, no matter what it spawns a copy inside the gate when you open it that prevents it from closing again or driving a car through

[south quiver]

Oh

I had issues that I could make it but I was always able to just debug them in. It also ate the materials but it never prevent it from opening or closing before

[unkempt coral]

Oh interesting, does a double gate made with debug maybe not have the issue?

[crystal field]

Bro saw the hook, took the bait off, ate it, and swum away

[south quiver]

Maybe idk, since when I try to build one it just eat the resources and don't give me a gate

[vivid jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/enbabyfazball-fish-thirsty-gif-12496812153427391344

[cerulean moat]

Many have already forgotten, but not me.
THIS https://youtu.be/_jk3JMXAcGw?si=ByG01lhyydboX9Pr
are we still getting it, or is it an abandoned idea?

[south quiver]

Hopefully we still getting this but for now I recommend using project season and barricade world mod

[tropic sand]

are there any devblog features that haven't been addeed yet?

[tropic sand]

I'd say that waiting 3 years for an update to come out makes being frustrationwith the devs more understandable tbh

[past drift]

new fire

[tropic sand]

what was the new fire being teased?

Idr it from the blogs

[past drift]

yes

[past drift]

https://projectzomboid.com/blog/news/2023/01/my-zeds-is-on-fire/

[tropic sand]

thxxx

[past drift]

but they delete video with it

[tropic sand]

weird

maybe they have something else cooke up

[past drift]

probably they won't add new fire

:/

[tropic sand]

😔

I hope we're not stuck with the 2010 pixelated fire

any mods that hide where I am on the map?

[high pawn]

i dont understand. just dont open it

[tropic sand]

I want to be immersed. Like I have an atlas but I don't have a dot showing me where I am exactly irl

[high pawn]

use the website

[nocturne nexus]

im not sure if there is a way to do that other than just disabling map altogether

[errant crane]

Are the devs gonna make it so you can shoot specific limbs?

[past drift]

probably no

[worn magnet]

i think you already can if you aim at em

[errant crane]

Yeah because of the ragdolls

But i mean in players and NPCs

And i think it only affects the ragdoll not the health

Cus it would be cool to shoot zombies legs and arms off

[hasty tulip]

is it just me or did they increase the amount of zombies that spawn? the 3 last games i started in rosewood had a lot more zombies at the police and firestation

[frigid kraken]

i think its the new update that changed how spawning works

[hasty tulip]

yea, they changed the heatmap, but does this also include the amount of zombies? its getting harder for me to occupy the firestation, because there are so many zeds

[quiet hamlet]

Closest mod I can think of in this case might be hand drawn maps a map overhaul. At least that's what I think the mods called.

[tropic sand]

thxxx

[tropic sand]

ragebait

bad ragebait at that

[vestal thistle]

i made the mistake of having my save .8 multiplier for zombie pop (normal is .65) and the save is almost umplayable now. Fells like insane pop.

[turbid bison]

having lots of zombies adds a challenge but having to clear the area before able to loot the building can be a pain.

[nocturne nexus]

yah theres a lot lol , bradenburg has so many

i just tried winter is coming challenge and at least its back to it being a challenge, before there was hardly any

[broken spindle]

zomboid is like a fine aged wine

just gets better and better year after year

loving the look of the blacksmithing especially, surprisingly in depth for the genre

[timid quest]

until they accidentally piss in the vat

like absolutely destroying a perfectly good zombie spawn system for this unplayable monstrosity

[digital quail]

oh they made the spawning slightly different THIS RUINS THE ENTIRE GAME

[nocturne nexus]

its wip

[broken spindle]

eh to each there own tbh

some people love changes some people hate changes

either way once stable multiplayer eventually comes around community mods will be created for just about anything

[twilit burrow]

People despise change

Someone could cure cancer and some people would still bitch and moan about it

[gleaming gust]

When I was young, had to walk uphills both ways. In snow. These days kids can just take a taxi, makes em soft I say.

[prime ember]

That zombie spawn change should make map makers lives a billion times easier

[wary herald]

agreed

[wind vortex]

I'm curious who would do that

cure for cancer is decades away as of now

[wind vortex]

everywhere, last update was heatmap orientated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8L4Ib51XGvk&t=1s

just look how cool those filling bars are in this UI

can we get those bars back?

[broken spindle]

think they're gonna add more makeshift metal armour variations?

like a light armour set, less protection but lighter in weight

idk if they have it like that already, been awhile since I last played

[lone sorrel]

Id like that

[cold harness]

Have we not leather armor or am I mistaken?

[high pawn]

and wood

there is neck and crotch leather armor with 100/100 stats

[crystal field]

From a certain point of view. You can upgrade leather jackets until they're significantly more durable.

[unkempt coral]

Funny enough I think they said the changes specifically dont change inside buildings:

This system does not drive the presence and the number of zombies inside houses, this is done through an entirely other system, it only affects Zombies spawning outside buildings.

[jaunty hedge]

One thing I noticed in my (admittedly limited test of one run) is that Guns Unlimited no longer spawns an extra ~500 zombies inside anymore

[lone sorrel]

we have some leather armor

[rare salmon]

New heatmap is so fire guys

Going to small locations is super easy now

[nocturne nexus]

lol, i just grabbed essentials and left muldrag

[rare salmon]

Yeah basically anywhere is fucking impossible

I cant explore riverside without getting jumpscared by 500 zomboids next to a fishing shack

the old heatmap was just fine.

Why is there so many by this one house

[nocturne nexus]

its still pretty easy to move them around uising noises , cause its wip i expect it to be tinkered over times but i really do enjoy them bringing more zombers back

[rare salmon]

I seriously dont.

There is no way to kite them out.

It's so packed to the point that you cant get anywhere TO get them out.

Usually i'm good at kiting zomboids but this time its awful 💔

[nocturne nexus]

lol itll get more fleshed out im sure

brandenburg was crazy

[rare salmon]

Echo creek is a nightmare

Any town besides rosewood isn't a hellscape

[nocturne nexus]

i even went in debug and removed all zombies to give myslef a chance cause i really wanna live there for once , and then helicopter came lmao

muldrag hasnt been too bad

[rare salmon]

Haven't been there yet so i cant say anything abt it

Not in the recent update at least.

I like that they're trying to bring back a lot of zombies but this is just unplayable in some points.

I'm gonna need to burn this place down to get a box of nails.

[nocturne nexus]

i did try riverside , it was fun i had to use alternative routes to get access to things and i used fireworks for moving stuff and that really helped A LOT lol

[rare salmon]

Unfortunately i dont have any of those.

I've tried to use stuff like that but it just doesn't work.

Theres so many that the ones behind them just flood into the same spot

Okay this one is just stupid.

What are they doing in here

[nocturne nexus]

is this on a new save? i forget if you said , sorry lol i get commented mixed up with players all the time

[rare salmon]

Yeah most recent update.

[nocturne nexus]

with just default apoc? lol

[nocturne nexus]

lmao thats so funny

[rare salmon]

I use sandbox but its the default population

I have it set to normal.

[nocturne nexus]

yah same lol , yea it prolly just needs to be adjusted a bit cause thats uhh

rofl y they there

[rare salmon]

Thats why i'm saying its a bit hard to kite them 😭

Theres even more by the bar up the road.

[nocturne nexus]

lol hang on let me get pics of the police station, all the ombies took a field trip apparently

there was more behind me lol

[abstract sparrow]

Yes, this nerfs the zombie kiting strategies that was the main meta in Build 41.

[rare salmon]

Well at this point you cant even do it.

Feels more like a removal than a nerf.

[rare salmon]

And honestly in b41 there was no need for kiting.

At least for me, there was like barely any zomboids

[prime ember]

🤣 kills me

[nocturne nexus]

LOL

[turbid bison]

campfire in a building lol

runs over a rat and it does alot of damage to the vehicle hood and headlights logic

rats must be made of adamantium

[nocturne nexus]

lol wolverine rats

[prime ember]

[turbid bison]

rats are made of stone when ran over like the rabbits

[sour quartz]

Where i can fix my league in this game.

[prime ember]

Your league?

[sour quartz]

Language

[prime ember]

OH! options->user interface and then scroll to the very bottom, there should be a section for language

[sour quartz]

I want contribute to fix

[prime ember]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/forum/56-pz-community-translations/

Apparently they have hired a professional studio to do translations from now on

[tropic sand]

yo is there any way to make the error messages not show up?
theyres distracting

[abstract sparrow]

They will only stop when Build 42 is no longer in the "Unstable" branch release.

That's how they did it with Build 41, when that build gone "Stable"

[nocturne nexus]

like a red box one? on the lower right?

[tropic sand]

yea

[tropic sand]

error messages were a thing in build 41

[nocturne nexus]

do you have mods lol

[tropic sand]

yeah error messages have always been a thing, stable or not

[abstract sparrow]

Oh really? Hmmm

[tropic sand]

but how do I hide them

I wanna get them away

[abstract sparrow]

I guess you have to ask this on the official forum there.

Only the developers know how to do this.

[nocturne nexus]

like that type of thing?

[tropic sand]

yeppers

annyoing right?

[nocturne nexus]

are you using a lot of mods?

[tropic sand]

yeah but all my errors are from one mod

the baricades one

it makes errors every time a door is loaded

[nocturne nexus]

ohh, yah youll have o disable that mod , im not sure if theres a way to ignore the red thingie?

could look on workshop but i have no idea

[tropic sand]

the error doesn't do anything its just a random thing

like nothing is caused by the error as far as I can tell

[twilit burrow]

It does look like they need to divide the amount of zombies spawning by like 3 lmao

[tropic sand]

the zombies spawning is the same tho

the density is changed

[abstract sparrow]

Have you reported it to the mod's dev?

Or rather, let's wait for a couple of weeks before reporting it to the mod's devs.

42.9.0 just came out a few days ago, so some of the mods aren't up-to-date.

[tropic sand]

I have they haven't responded yet

it hasn't been updated since december

[abstract sparrow]

Ooof...

If it's over 6 months, then you will have to come to terms that maybe.... just maybe.... the project is abandoned.

[tropic sand]

idk the mod is pretty big I doubt its been abandoned

Its not like its broken or anything

the dev might be waiting for unstable to release to update it

idk much about pz modding tho

it still works tho

[abstract sparrow]

42.9 is updated, and maybe changes under the hood might be too daunting of a task to simply update.

Either way, just wanted to let you know, you should keep on waiting.

Who knows if they will get back to the mod and update it.

And when that issue gets fixed.

[tropic sand]

yeah I guess we'll see what ahppens

[prime ember]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3196111875 from what I have heard that is what this does

never actually tried it, but chuck is good people

[tropic sand]

lol I just found that 10 minutes ago

[prime ember]

xD

[tropic sand]

thanks anyway XD

[prime ember]

np! ❤️ hope it works for you!

[tropic sand]

🔥

[spice quartz]

It makes no sense now

[hybrid olive]

Steam generator as an alternative for gas generators?

You know...

Fuel will run out at one point

At least in your base town

[cold harness]

Heavy maintenance steam generator which is pretty loud and needs to be build in place would be nice

[leaden parrot]

interesting idea bcause there is coal in western Kentucky (and also if you go east towards West Virginia, make it make sense)

[hybrid olive]

Not just coal

Burn em trees

[sour quartz]

Help me https://discord.com/channels/136501320340209664/1383478983785578556

[turbid plume]

whats the situation with the new spawn system? is it broken?

[nocturne nexus]

i dont think anything is wrong with it just need adjusting prolly

[turbid plume]

too many zombs?

[nocturne nexus]

in some places yea like branden burg there is a lot , not sure if its supposed to be like though but i still think there could be a little more in muldrag warehouses

[rare salmon]

Needs a lot of tinkering.

I do like that they're bringing back lots of zeds but, yet again too many makes it a bit unplayable.

Rn i just like to imagine that the zeds in Louisville went out of the city and are taking over Kentucky

😭

[hybrid olive]

Lowkey ded chat

https://youtu.be/u5CVsCnxyXg?si=zYL9r_OMruiwwIyW

[nocturne nexus]

[tropic sand]

Any mods out there that add more roleplay spawns?

[karmic temple]

MP tomorrow for sure

[abstract sparrow]

/r/tomorrow is that way....

[tropic sand]

Don’t give me hope

[livid solar]

for performance do you guys tinker this setting

i rememeber hgearing people complaining how rats would kill fps

[prime ember]

Is this new? I don't recall seeing this setting

But I haven't looked at sandbox settings in a few patches tbh

[red summit]

I have the second value at 30 and didn't notice any problems

[nocturne nexus]

i have set it on max before and had no problems

[livid solar]

affirm

[turbid bison]

rats and mice tend to cause excessive damage to vehicles if ran over.

rats and mice at least are easy to kill in one hit

[livid solar]

im noticing im insta killing zombies when i push them down and stomp them

anyone else?

[nocturne nexus]

yah i noticed and someone mentioned it on steam forums too , not sure if buffed or something

[livid solar]

im gonna try without ragdoll and see if i get the same issue

[livid solar]

sadly yes

ill make a report on the forum

something ive noticed with testing is that it only happens if you target the head as you should be doing anyways when curb stomping zombies

but in the past it took like 1-5 hits

more if unlucky, and the rare only 1 hit

[crimson siren]

@naive pivot don’t know if it’s a bug or not but you currently can’t interact with ragdolled zombies. however it’s very pleasing to hit a zomboid with a bat and watch it fold like a chair

[nocturne nexus]

youre not able to loot them?

[prime ember]

I noticed sometimes it takes a while for ragged dolled smellies to go from physics state->dead ridged state

When they are in physics state they can't be looted yet

[tropic sand]

For some reason my game is bugged and I can't run
I only walk
even when trying to sprint

[hybrid olive]

Have you messed with the controls dawg?

[tropic sand]

No

It’s weird, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t

[hybrid olive]

Ehh

[tropic sand]

Like in the same hour

[hybrid olive]

Idfk

[tropic sand]

K

[hybrid olive]

[rugged dirge]

Thought I read somewhere that it was buffed, Lemmie see if I can’t find it

Maybe it wasn’t mentioned by devs or patchnotes, all I’m finding are people saying it’s been buffed XD

[livid solar]

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/84479-4290-rev29660-major-balance-issue-stomping-zombies-instantly-kills-them-regardless-of-fatique-levels/

the thing is, you can literally one tap them even at max fatique or tiredness

[ripe geyser]

stomping is usually my go to technique, and i have also noticed that i was one tapping zombies pretty much always, but i thought i was tripping

[crimson siren]

nah, corpses seem to be in ragdoll state still, i walked away and came back to them still in ragdoll state. I may sleep or do some things a few cells away from them to hopefully get them to change star

[crimson siren]

Following up this, i reloaded into my game from last night. Ragdolled zombies that i killed previously came back to life, right next to where they died. I also just killed one by stabbing it on the ground and the game gives me a jump scare noise when i lose sight of it and come back close to it even though it’s dead.

[potent hedge]

The zombies truly are undead

[hybrid olive]

Ragdollz are hella weird rn

[hybrid olive]

Fr fr

[lone sorrel]

the dead are walking...

The Walking Dead

[prime ember]

They are going to be amazing once they dial in the tuning of the ragdoll I think

[worn magnet]

i already had a pretty cool moment where i slightly bumped into a zomboid with a car and the ragdoll slowly toppled backwards, looked really good

[prime ember]

Hell yea, that is what I am looking for

[nocturne nexus]

gosh i love running over people

[summer coral]

Figure I'll mention it here since it's a less busy chat, so far Military Radios and this sign cause unwarranted massively increased zombie spawns around them in the new heatmap system

I'll keep an eye out for more but those seem to be the big two that cause very random hotspots in the middle of nowhere

[nocturne nexus]

also love the new heatmap for lv for default apoc , usually these areas are infested

[summer coral]

I'm just pointing out blatantly off spawns yanno?

[haughty tartan]

Insert Star Wars meme here: "In zomboid right?....... in zomboid right?"

[nocturne nexus]

lol

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-vader-i-am-what-you-made-me-obi-wan-kenobi-series-gif-25837606

[prime ember]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-darth-vader-noooooooo-nooo-no-gif-19285910

[livid solar]

What are y’all’s thoughts on the new heat map? What are things you’ve notice with the changes?

[summer coral]

I had a pretty big discussion about it earlier, but it has some kinks to be ironed out

[summer coral]

I mentioned a couple problem tiles up here for example

that sign I think counts as part of the prison and ramps up zombie spawns basically in the middle of nowhere

and those military radios have random shacks in the wood having 200 zombies sat around them lol

broadly speaking though it's quite good for more randomness in zombie numbers

[livid solar]

👁️

[livid solar]

do the new maps online have the new heatmaps or do you find this via debug mode

i think heatmaps are based off seeds

so likely not i think but figured id ask

[summer coral]

debug mode, online heatmaps couldn't tell you much beyond maybe tile based heatspikes

[livid solar]

yeeee

[summer coral]

cos of the randomised nature

[livid solar]

ima miss double doors and gates since they bugged rn

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[summer coral]

The consistent part of the heatmap is gonna be tile based explosions in heat, like the aforementioned tiles

[livid solar]

what i like is places that kinda were empty before have a chance not to be

like echo creek actually has some zombies now in town

on defualt pop its a nice challange now

[livid solar]

how do i pull this up debug mode?

[summer coral]

options button on the map, should be a few options for the zombie heatmap, don't turn them all on at once

I think zombieintensity shows the final result for the most part

[livid solar]

perfect

example this used to not be a thing pre heat map changes, love it

[summer coral]

The changes has made a few traditional base locations a bit uh... too busy for early game

the echo creek gas station, twiggys up in westpoint, etc

[livid solar]

echo creek gas station is HELLA hot

[summer coral]

if you look around the map you'll also see some of the problem spots I mentioned, like random cabins in the middle of the woods with a huge white splotch will inevitably have a military radio

which is making the game think "military zone, CRANK THE SPAWNS"

and the two signs north and south of rosewood which seem to be prison coded or something

[nocturne nexus]

i love that , pretty cool

[rare salmon]

Like with the amount of zombies or

Because my base is currently down at THAT exact gas station. If I have to clear out a horde I’m fucked 😭

[tropic sand]

Hi I’m getting a collection of bugs that all do similar things. Either I cannot jog/run and only slow walk, can only jog, or only sprint. This has been happening in the start of every recent game I have been doing.
The main mods I think could be the culprit is random zombies and slower sprinters. I’m not sure exactly what’s conflicting and causing this bug but if I can have help fixing this bug (preferably without disabling those mods) that would be GREATLY appreciated. :)))

[livid solar]

your best bet would be #mod_support

[tropic sand]

I put it there I'm just trying to maximise my chances of someone seeing this

[livid solar]

if i were you, try a save where your getting this, that you dont care about, then slowly disable 1 mod at a time, and see whats going on

also, is it raining or snowing?

[tropic sand]

no, last time I was on and I got this error, there was no weather

Its so weird, every spawn its a new problem

either I cant run or I can't not run lol

trying it without slower zombies

[livid solar]

anyone else getting error codes when uninstalling parts for vehicles

https://theindiestone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/84491-4290-errors-whilst-doing-mechanics/

seems someone else reportted this already

[lone sorrel]

Would you guys concur if i said that the game is likely going to need a few entirely bugfix/balance focused patches at the end of the Unstable development if we're to actually get rid of any annoying/gamebreaking ones?

because the way it is currently, new patches introduce new stuff, fixing old bugs, while creating new ones

[lavish ingot]

Isn’t that how it usually works in game development?

[lone sorrel]

I have no idea, can't recall a specific example of it in the past

But i'm specifically curious if it'd be like that for B42

[west rain]

sorry... the truth is probably superfluous... but when will there be multiplayer? 👉🏻 👈🏻 😰

[digital quail]

At least 3 seconds

[potent hedge]

About 3 thousands milliseconds

[lone sorrel]

sometime in the future

[spice quartz]

The zombie spawns are even worse now

Idk, I don't see how Brandenburg can have thousands of zs when theres less than a hundred residential houses

[lone sorrel]

perhaps just the amount alone is the problem? Point of the updated heatmap is to diversify the zombie locations/amounts a bit

It probably wouldnt have been a problem if it was just toned down a tad

[spice quartz]

It just feels as though the devs are going a bit too crazy on how many zs there are

Like I get that its the apocalypse, but having thousands of zs in each town just doesnt make much sense

Like, even if you put in a realistic amount of zs to the game theres still gonna be plenty to kill, especially if you play with respawns on

[median sundial]

cope

[serene plover]

mp😭😭😭😭

[lone sorrel]

nope

[nocturne nexus]

Its actually pretty cool how it works in places like lv, like the expo center is usually flooded but i was able to go in there because half of them qere in the street, its a new feature so im sure itll be balanced over time but so far as just a casual default apoc player that doesnt like killing a lot of zombies, its not bad for new feature

[dawn grotto]

the school in rosewood is always a gamble. either 3-5 wood and 1-3 metal bats, or hockey and lacrosse sticks...

[flat kraken]

never

its getting removed actually

[abstract sparrow]

Yeah, MP no more. It's called MMO.

See you in 2028.

[nocturne nexus]

MMNO

[potent hedge]

Massively multiplayerless offline

🙃

[median sundial]

there is a mod for MP

god it working well given the devs cant

[abstract sparrow]

It breaks every other update... So it's not a solution, no matter how temporary it is.

[nocturne nexus]

guns unlimited with new heatmap lol

can finally go in there!

[summer coral]

last I checked it's still a hotspot so a culling line must have hit it

on your seed

[nocturne nexus]

i dont know what that means, its a new save

[summer coral]

The last layer of the new spawn system is this

[nocturne nexus]

youll have to explain like im 5

[summer coral]

see those? anywhere those black lines go, zombies are removed

those lines are randomly generated via the seed

[gleaming gust]

but why?

[summer coral]

Makes zombie spawns a little more random

[nocturne nexus]

i love it , never have been in here without having to use debug to sniff around

[summer coral]

potentially making a few streets quiet or randomly making a normally busy area quiet

[gleaming gust]

doesn't that culling line system mean zombie hordes no longer migrate long distances?

[summer coral]

Still has some kinks to be worked out though, this sign north and south of rosewood cause a massive spike in zombie spawns around it lmao

[summer coral]

It's the initial spawn of zombies dude, it doesn't remove them after the game has started

[gleaming gust]

so those randomly generated lines just indicate area where zeds do not initially spawn, then

giving it a random factor

[summer coral]

yeah, it's a three layered system, the first layer is this for randomising intensity of zombies, then it applies multipliers for certain tile kinds (which is why that sign causes a massive spike, I think it's considering itself part of the prison) and then the culling lines are drawn over the top of it

the tile based intensity is the only non random bit afaik

currently pre-placed military radios also cause massive spawn increases which is why some cabins in the middle of nowhere have massive hotspots

[nocturne nexus]

lol this still doesnt make sense to me

[haughty tartan]

Hitchhikers may be escaping inmates! Don't let let in your car!

[nocturne nexus]

how do you people even figure this stuff out lol

[summer coral]

that's a lotta hitchhikers soul lol

[summer coral]

Well they basically explained it in the patch notes?

and you can see the layers in debug mode

[gleaming gust]

the devs decided, like a child drawing on your walls, that instead of the beautiful wallpaper you chose (the zeds), she will use a red permanent marker to draw a smiley face on it, thus removing the wallpaper's beauty (zed spawns)

[nocturne nexus]

https://tenor.com/view/glorious-gif-9951326

[nocturne nexus]

whats wrong with drawing on walls?!

[summer coral]

ok just think of it as certain kinds of tiles cause zombie spawns around them, say, military tiles and objects, then you have that brain pattern that randomises intensity across a wide area, then a child scribbles on the heatmap with an eraser

[gleaming gust]

my first apartment when I was 18, had a giant flower wallpaper covering an entire wall, the rental contract very specifically forbid any damage to the flower, or else

19 years later, I tell you why drawing on walls can be a bad thing

[nocturne nexus]

okay

[patent marsh]

Or even worse... "Horror" TikTok teens looking for their next spooky video

[dawn grotto]

i mean, it IS warning of Hitchhikers, seems legit to me

[summer coral]

the military radio one is a bigger problem, those two signs are an isolated thing

it was just yanno, funny

[finite moth]

How do you use?

[hollow harness]

is fishing totally broken this patch? like cockroaches and maggots get you tiny fish but fish filets will never catch a fish.

[worn magnet]

can you see if theres one around the gunstore in westpoint

half the town is always crowding that for some reason

[hollow harness]

42.9 makes cdda almost impossible. like i have over 2k hours in JUST CDDA and in 42.8 it only took 25-40 kills to get into the northern farmhouse. on 42.9 its taking me between 80-130. its actually ridiculous. I know your new zombie heatmap is tweaked for apocalyspe and not cdda. but it should make some isolated monuments have half as much or double. not every single monument being worse or 3x worse. 20:30 day 1 82 kills... and i cant even sleep in the farmhouse because i have 40 more to go.

[cold harness]

last 2 tries I went there were like 500+ zeds for me xD

[abstract sparrow]

What is this pattern of the heatmap called? Voronoi diagrams? But now layered 3 times?

[rare salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/4lokogangemperor-rage-bait-ragebait-china-lore-gif-7803056600524123396

[abstract sparrow]

I hoped there are no plans in the foreseeable roadmap to introduce bugs and bug bites. Characters tend to sleep near water tiles, and if those water tiles introduce mosquitoes, we're screwed.

[hollow harness]

not only is cdda 3x harder but if you trip there is a chance your carry stength goes from its normal to the base 8. very funny.

[timid quest]

its great to be vindicated

i said exactly what a ton of people here are saying now, new heatmap has far too many zombies for what is reasonable and the old one was fine

and i was called shit,

skill issue,

"just set it to 0.04 pop lol"

"would that even have zombies?"

etc

[summer coral]

I mean the point here is that it's an unstable build and they need to work out the issues with it

[timid quest]

yeah they do and thats fine

but thats not what was said to me

i was called shit, skill issue, use sandbox if its too much for you etc

its just funny to scroll through a few days later and see the people who said that agreeing with this lot who are saying it

like what, oh no i was right again, shock horror

[summer coral]

I think some of the erronious tile settings are a bigger deal than the amount per say

I was talking about it earliar, any pre-placed military radios cause hilairious spawns around them

and a lot of military radios are in random cabins in the wood

[timid quest]

coz they have the mil tag

military tag whatever its called in game, but i get it

[summer coral]

yeah I figure thats the kind of edge case they were talking about

[timid quest]

and theyve set that to have a shitload of Zeds spawn

[summer coral]

those things turn up a lot outside actual military zones

so they should probably be excluded from the spawn system

[timid quest]

im talking more about these

[summer coral]

There's odd hotspots here and there, but the overall number is probably a little off too

[timid quest]

like random standard houses having 35 zombies standing around, or 80 or 90 just standing in a field by the side of the road

i remember doing an EC run, admittedly that one is borked because of the festival there

but i spawned on the other side of the bridge to the gas station, in the far corner house, 2 storey, opposite the red one

it took me an entire day of fighting near continuously when i wasnt eating, drinking, washing or resting, to get to the bridge, and then i had to pull back and sleep in the house 2 doors down from where id spawned, and i killed 85 zombies

and again, i posted screenshots etc and was called shit skill issue etc XD

its just funny to me

[nocturne nexus]

where was that even said?

[timid quest]

i managed to kite a massive group away bit by bit and killed them, 18 in the group but there were 3 of them very close, and that group grew from 18 to 25 after i killed like 20 of them coz they kept coming out of the woods

[formal thunder]

Glory to the Holy Chairman Spiffo 最卑微的仆人 Criticism is not tolerated 30年的努力是一种惩罚!

[timid quest]

a few days ago in the main B42 chat

[nocturne nexus]

if someone is harassing you you need to report it , especially if they were saying your opinion is shit

its annoying when people give feedback and people chime in like that instead of just being open minded to the discussion ;l

[timid quest]

they all mostly had names like yours, i assume that means something (colourwise)

[timid quest]

it is, idk what its like here but ive found the mods generally mute/ban the victim of it to keep the status quo

[nocturne nexus]

ya, just report them next time if theyre being toxic, if they were vet they def should know betters

[timid quest]

but its nice to see others with the same spawning issues

not nice because theyre suffering

but nice because im not the only one or just getting bad seeds or whatever else it may be

[nocturne nexus]

oh crap lol i gotta save my seeds then

[warm basin]

has anyone posted any good seeds?

[timid quest]

not that i know of

[timid quest]

oh yeah the heatmap is seedbased apparently also

[nocturne nexus]

the one im on now , guns unlimited had hardly any on outside and inside

wonder if brandenburger is safer , cause gosh the seed before that was insane lol

[warm basin]

yeah i’ve had to use sandbox to tone zombie spawns way down. it’s too much. i started a new playthrough the other day and was trying to clear out this one street and ended up killing almost 200 zombies with my car. like,,, i honked my horn once and had the entire state population on me

[timid quest]

i set it to low once and found it was still ridiculous

but then i stopped spawning in muld and ec and now i only spawn in riverside, which isnt great but isnt horrific most of the time either

rosewood is alright, but the good stuff has a lot of zombies near it which isnt unusual but WP is just borked

[warm basin]

yeah i turned on advanced settings and put them on the lowest possible. wasn’t perfect but still a decent improvement

i had to turn off zombie respawns

[rare salmon]

Yeah those ones were rancid

[timid quest]

i went to twiggys since reddit said it was a good base and holy shit that bend in the road next to the woods had about 300 zombies on it

[warm basin]

considered turning off migration too but that seems just too much

[timid quest]

what town was that?

[rare salmon]

I've stopped playing the game since, as i dont wanna play with an insane amount of zeds. Currently waiting for them to fix the heatmap

[rare salmon]

That was me visiting riverside

[timid quest]

its not too bad if you spawn there

[rare salmon]

Yeah well i live in echo creek.

[timid quest]

i was there a moment ago before i got bit

the one time i find a lump hammer and flint deposits to level knapping and i get bit the second i start to break a deposit open

[rare salmon]

This was the exact road i was on btw

The junkyard fencing wasn't broken either so idk where they came from

Fieldzoids... Bleugh

[warm basin]

the heatmap imo doesn’t make any sense. i feel like they should’ve just gone ahead and done it manually if that makes any sense? like roads through downtown areas should be full of zombies. certain buildings should too, but i feel like a lot more buildings should be empty cuz it doesn’t make sense for an entire office to be flooded with zombies when the market down the road is completely empty. and then country roads and field should have a minimum zombie count—all this at the start of the game specifically

[timid quest]

i think i might go rosewood, take the northern petrol garage, the house there is pretty good and i can fortify it nicely

[timid quest]

if nothing else they should start in the major towns and migrate outwards, but equally we need a spawn location that doesnt have thousands of them at the start

[warm basin]

^ exactly

[timid quest]

i think i can see the vision of TWD Atlanta, where there are just thousands of them crammed onto main street, but this iteration has that happen in a podunk shithole town in the middle of nowhere

kinda unreasonable i think XD

[warm basin]

and i understand this is an unstable build but it seems like the devs are staying with the direction they’re going with zombie spawns and idk if i like that. idk how this heat map could get any better. like overall it doesn’t make sense logically, and logistically it’s a nightmare to deal with in game

[warm basin]

no i agree it’s totally unreasonable

i’d expect downtown louisville to be flooded with zeds. not the country bumpkin bible thumpin little town across the map

[timid quest]

they can keep it going that way if they want but i think we need more sandbox options to deal with it if it gets too much

and explaining a bit more, like normal/low/etc zombie population should tell us statistically how many zombies per chunk there are rather than a % of the whole map, because i cant comprehend the size of the whole map personally

[nocturne nexus]

i dunno , im just a casual player and i dont like high pops but i do like what theyre doing because in build 41 it was really boring wandering around and there would be no zombies in the rural places, and i think we have to not look at whats realistic in sense of population but the game being a zombie game and those being a major threat to us

[warm basin]

you’re right i mean that’s completely fair

[nocturne nexus]

but yea some places do need a tone down lol

[timid quest]

and being able to set the distribution a bit more than the binary "towns or everywhere"

[nocturne nexus]

brandenburg is insane i have yet to be able to even live there once

[timid quest]

ive not even seen half the map lol

i dont think ive ever been to louisville

i normally die before i get any kind of setup

last time the water turned off on day 1 and the power on day 2

[nocturne nexus]

i just went there the save before my current one to check out the heatmap and it was glorious

[warm basin]

it was a little boring for sure. but the playthrough i did a couple days ago had this exact scenario. mind you i spawned in louisville, so the street around me was empty, but i kept on venturing through the city and found it mostly deserted. i started a new one to spawn in the new country town and was completely overwhelmed from the moment i spawned

[nocturne nexus]

like some of those huge downtown places were cleared and you could go inside which is great for players who dont wanna kill everything, i HATE killing 500 zombies lol

[warm basin]

same

[nocturne nexus]

so it does seem to be working for lv but just needs tinkering for the other sectors prolly

[warm basin]

i’m a casual player in the sense that i prefer to roleplay rather than play the game

[timid quest]

i had the prisoner start mod installed, realised it wasnt what i wanted but i liked the items and events

started in louisville prison literally surrounded by zombies lol

[nocturne nexus]

i wonder if its easier to go to that research place in rosewood now, i havent been able to go there either lol

[timid quest]

ditto for the other prison starts, place just swarmed from the get go

this one?

[warm basin]

do seeds really affect zombie spawns that much? i mean it would make sense. i feel like ive been getting. whiplash omg

[timid quest]

its supposed to

but i think its either no zombies anywhere for a long time or all zombies everywhere all at once

[nocturne nexus]

yah lol i went there when 42 first dropped to go see the bottom, died in the lobby and another time a month or so ago and died

[timid quest]

theres little middle ground

[timid quest]

ive never been lol

keep meaning to but again, not great at the long term surviving part

[summer coral]

It's biggest affect is the random scribbles of zombie removal on the last layer of the new heatmap

[timid quest]

i normally die on a loot run for tools

[timid quest]

?

[warm basin]

those scribbles are insaneeee

[timid quest]

whats that in english

[warm basin]

those confuse me the most lowkey

[nocturne nexus]

lol same , i only really live like 2 weeks before i get fricked up by something , which is fine i love starting over or continuing

[warm basin]

it’s how the heatmap has random lines going through it where zombies won’t spawn

[summer coral]

ok here is the finished version of a heatmap of LV

[timid quest]

oh right like safe areas

[summer coral]

see how it has random lines going through where the zombie spawns have been removed?

[timid quest]

the dark lines?

and the whiter/lighter bits are spawns

[summer coral]

yeah it's a heatmap, brighter white = more zombies

[timid quest]

im used to seeing coloured ones tbf

red is hot on most of the ones ive seen

[warm basin]

the lines make sense in terms of balance but tbh i don’t think they work well when actually applied in gameplay

[summer coral]

the other randomized element of spawns is this

[warm basin]

but i bet that’s something they’re still tweaking

[summer coral]

then tile types give multipliers to zombie spawns, like literal middle of nowhere woods will multiply it by 0 making it 0

The lines are just there so you can come across an eerily quiet area suddenly

you don't notice how artificial it is in practice unless you literally teleport into a hotspot with a line through it and watch the gap happen when the zeds enter your reality bubble

[timid quest]

i think its so they move

if they spawned already evenly spread, they wouldnt wander as much

if i had to guess

i think id find it easier to get on with if i understood it more

[summer coral]

Those gaps are initial spawns

if you think your safe cos your stood in the big culling line that won't be the case forever

[timid quest]

yeah theyll move there at some point but they shouldnt just spawn there no?

if the heatmap says no spawns

[warm basin]

i feel like they move into those areas pretty quickly though

[summer coral]

you feel it more if one of those stripes gets drawn through a normally very high pop area

some lucky sob had the gunstore west of echo creek get culled

[warm basin]

is that what happened to me

that new mega gun store was like nearly empty for me

[timid quest]

i like the cars from the KI5 collection but i hate the ridiculous number of extra items it adds

[summer coral]

he likes the realism of every car needing specific parts I guess, but it really does add a lot of clutter to automotive loot

[hot basin]

Hot take... This is a good thing.

They are finally balancing the game to be a multiplayer co-op, hence population feels eccessive in single player. Very good sign if you ask me!

[frigid kraken]

that kindas seems like making one gamemode more unbalanced to cater for another

couldnt they make MP and SP spawnign seperate?

[hot basin]

They could, but it's still a sandbox game, so you have full freedom to tweak as you wish.

On the other hand the vast majority of us plays and prefers the MP. So it makes sense to make the "default" around the most popular game mode.

On that they seem at least to be consistent. They applied the same logic to professions and skills. They branched out and are actively nudging for specialisation, to create communities of players focusing on particular skill sets and complementing each other.

iirc, they actually spelled this out in a Thursdoid at some point

[frigid kraken]

yea I get wym but I feel like the base SP game shouldnt need to be tweaked for something like that

sandbox is useful but this seems like something that could just be seperated if theyre working more torwards MP

[lone sorrel]

problem with the preset modes is that the masses will never 100% agree with one another on what should be in them specifically, and that the values should be

this is why you have sandbox settings so you dont have to have a disagreement battle and instead do whatever you like

If the only problem with the current zombie spawns is the amounts of the zombies being spawned, then thats easily tweakable

[hot basin]

well said. Broadly my point. If you gotta have a preset, might as well be one tweaked around the most popular game mode.

One of the main issues with the game is actually the community being very opinionated about each setting...Hence the wild amount of public servers with 1-4 people in it.

So there's little point in trying to chase single player presets. I'd not be pleased if TIS spent time on this... Waste of effort. There's a lot of more pressing issues to work on, dev side (and no, it's not ragdolls... 😏)

[trail fiber]

I've tried finally the .9 and yes the new heatmap is not really realistic at all, is quite strange i got a huge mass of zed in the isolated food warehouses near fallas lake and in the fields around

The old one was better, at my advise they should create a system were the zeds start moving from the cities and moving outside from then, few spots like isolated houses, hidden bunkers, and cottages should have a reasonable numbers

They also should work on the zombies inside houses, the majority of the zeds should come out from the houses.

[lone sorrel]

Zombies already migrate, why do we need a separate system

[trail fiber]

Yes but they are not migrating from cities they just appear here and there with the new system is even worst, zombies should move from cities to the surrounding areas, so the generation should be from towns and small zones with a bit more credibility like for example ,small cabins in the woods were few survivors moved and one of them, or more were infected and killed the others, with days pass, the migrating system should push zombies out from towns and generate more inside them, the migration system is helping in this way

Now i had 200 zeds in the middle of nowhere in the 9th of july in game

[elfin lily]

mUlTiPlaYeR wHeN?

[timid quest]

the argument of "theyre balancing it for multiplayer" falls apart when you realise there is no B42 multiplayer

if it is being balanced for mp, then why isnt there mp to test it?

[tall pasture]

Multiplayer not being public does not mean multiplayer doesn't exist (i.e., internal testing before public testing is not that uncommon)

No argument has fallen apart

[timid quest]

then what is the point of the unstable branch?

if it isnt for players to test the new release, then what? you cant test mp balance without mp

[tall pasture]

The primary, ultimate goal of something is not the sole thing that can be tested and iteratively improved upon

If I were planning on catering an event and I asked you to try one dessert to let me know how it can improve, that wouldn't mean I've lost sight of the ultimate goal of catering the event. It's a narrower scope of focus than the goal you're citing

[timid quest]

and if i were planning said event, and I asked 200 people to sample the dishes, I wouldnt make enough food for 8 people for each person to try

[tall pasture]

I'm not sure what you're saying

Is the analogy the zombie count? I don't even think the reasoning is balancing for MP for that (i.e., I think they're just making changes to the heatmap regardless), but if it were a simple explanation would be that MP is available internally

[timid quest]

what im saying is i wouldnt push a test for mp balance to a public build with no mp, youre not going to get any data usable in the context you want it to be used in

ie balance for mp

but we dont have mp, and so it cant be commented on by us, the testers

[tall pasture]

The sole purpose of b42 is not MP balance

[timid quest]

no it isnt, but the major point of the last update has been the new heatmap, which is some argue balanced around mp

[tall pasture]

This is an assumption

[timid quest]

ive not seen anyone comment on any other aspect of it

its a response to an assumption

the assumption is that its balanced for mp, im saying if it is, then why do we have it because we cant test for that

if its internal mp, fine, keep your mp balance there

[tall pasture]

Yes, I'm saying that's an assumption & not known, so asking why we have a test branch at all on the basis of it is odd

[timid quest]

i didnt say that but sure

[tall pasture]

?

[timid quest]

and the rest

[tall pasture]

You've answered your own question in that second message 🤷 it's to test b42

[timid quest]

in the context of the whole thing, if the new changes are balanced around mp, why do we have this particular build

since we dont have mp, we cant test it

and if it isnt, why is it so absurdly high in population count with 0 response from the devs

[tall pasture]

The goal is not for us to test MP nor MP balance, as evidenced by us not having MP

They may be making changes for MP balance and including them. Who knows. But that's not the goal of the unstable at this point

[livid solar]

Question, for the double gate bug later

Saw someone report you can sledgehammer the door it creates

I wonder tho? Will it create more doors upon re opening 👁️?

[high pawn]

who says anything is tested around mp

[native wyvern]

I really want mp...

[high pawn]

my mom taught me to be grateful for what i have

[gleaming gust]

seconded, PZ is a singleplayer game with multiplayer option, fight me

when I was young(er), some youtuber posted a short that said only 3% of the players solely and only play MP

[unkempt coral]

I predict patch today with some hotfixes

[heady crypt]

We gooning till the next release frfr

[livid solar]

Lmfao

But also non trolling aside I definitely think given the annoyances with some of the bugs a hotfix is very likely to not take long to come out tho ( hopefully)

[median sundial]

"it's not a solution" it works, it is

[median sundial]

if you are a loner yea

make some friends

[red summit]

haven't tried the new update yet, are you telling me there are whole streets now with no zombies even in LV? doesn't that hurt a hardcore run? I don't want to just walk into a police station or a street full of stores and just loot everything unopposed.

[gleaming gust]

I have friends but I prefer PZ solo, dont have to play by someone elses schedule duh

[median sundial]

sounds lonely

[gleaming gust]

sounds like a perfectly normal way to enjoy things

[balmy crater]

Does anyone know if it's because of the update that doors in cities are opened and gates are bugged?

[gleaming gust]

pretty sure it is

[high pawn]

wow i never knew how many people NEED double doors to play zomboid. I just live in a house with a fireplace and park my car in the garage calling it a day. couple people now saying they are DONE playing 42 until its fixed. like in 42.1 or 2 you couldnt make omelettes bc they came out instant rotten, so instead of boycotting 42.2. i just didnt make any omelettes

[vivid jungle]

it's 2 layers of which only one is voronoi iirc

idk why there's an impression of 3 layers, you can have a 0 to 1 value variance in a single layer / texture

^ blender voronoi, diffused / smoothed

[solar juniper]

Dang I'm glad I learned that, I was about to try to build double gates

[abstract sparrow]

The reason why I felt like there are 3 layers, is because there is a top-most layer, a middle layer, and a layer that is only highlighted inside the city/town districts.

The thick dark lines belong to the first layer. The smaller thinner dark lines belong to the second layer.

The grayish spots next to or close to the white areas and dark lines are the 3rd layer.

Maybe the 3rd layer isn't a Voronoi diagram, but rather it's just a handcrafted heat map.

[vivid jungle]

It's not handcrafted iirc.

It's automatic, based on tiles and whatever they have.

There's two layers; automatic tile base heatmap on bottom, voronoi on top which is made of 2 sub-layers, small fractures, large fractures; apparently it's subtracted from the bottom heatmap

[plain shadow]

Does anybody know how these black tiles are appearing/how to stop it?

[vivid jungle]

the world is ending

[lone sorrel]

incorrect, the initial spawn of zombies there will be completely nonexistent, but they can still migrate

in other words, it wont stay that way for long

[nocturne nexus]

could it be from mod if using mods?

or are you on old save at alll?

[plain shadow]

I am on a save from 48.1

It just randomly started happening

[nocturne nexus]

that could be it , could try makinga new save real quick and see if they still pop up , just to troubleshooot

[vivid jungle]

Actually I've been meaning to ask the devs, wouldn't it be slightly more interesting if there was a 'great horde migration' type mechanic? Essentially it's broken up into multiple parts / systems:

• Permanent zombie "population" -> current zombie density / numbers that are "permanently" stationed around an area (think a city population) are made smaller (by an amount that's deemed reasonable, you don't want it to be too easy).
• Great migration event -> every once in a while (possibly better if it's a random value (0-30 days for example)) a greater number of zombies will sweep the area / map. The zombies themselves aren't attracted to a certain point similar to say a helicopter meta event, they're just migrating en-masse in a direction chosen at random.

Reasoning is something along the lines of a variety in downtime and hotspot activity, figuring out when it's worth to loot and when not to, being encouraged to shore up your base defenses or even migrate yourself and so on.

https://tenor.com/view/evil-seal-evil-seal-red-evil-red-seal-gif-7245874443576541036

So called "Best base locations in PZ B42" posters when there's a million zombies passing by.

[nocturne nexus]

need more small places for bases!!

[unkempt coral]

Yeah I think this is a great idea, even as a toggleable option. So many sandbox games benefit from having a 'crisis', like Stellaris. It would be cool if anytime after a certain point (say like 1-2 years) there was a chance for a crisis event amount of zombies to spawn from the side of the map and migrate toward you with a number of possible solutions. It gives you an 'end game' to work toward within the existing content. They could add some broadcasts to the emergency one of random people being like 'a huge horde is approaching irvington and heading toward lousville etc' to give you a hint when it is starting.

you can either try to get around the horde, fight them, hide etc

would make stuff like remote pipe bombs etc useful cause you could setup a huge trap corridor and crash the game with ragdolls lol

[vivid jungle]

I'd agree about the time amount IF the horde migration increases up to that point.

Think of it like a snowball effect.

[unkempt coral]

Sure and they can just make all that stuff sandbox toggles too!

[tender pecan]

I still prefer the new heat map

[nocturne nexus]

ya , usually this is filled up with zombers

[turbid bison]

Zombie respawns turned on makes it feel more challenging

[tropic sand]

How do I see the heat map?

It it a website or is there a high-res photo I can look at

[unkempt coral]

Side benefit of the bug with double tall gates, not making them has made me realize I really don't need them as long as I hang around the same area lol

[crude scarab]

oh dam I didn't knew we could already expand the basements just by destroying the walls and building floors, this is really really nice

[nocturne nexus]

woah wat

[lavish ingot]

Wait does that mean you can make a tunnel from one basement to another?

[abstract sparrow]

48.1??? 👀 👀 👀

Where the hell did the rest of the Builds 43 through 47 went to? Where's my NPC at? /s

[lavish ingot]

How long have you been asleep?

GTA VI came out 20 years ago

[abstract sparrow]

I misread that as GTA IV.

[nocturne nexus]

what time line is this

[dawn grotto]

oh i am a dwarf and im diggin a hole

[lavish ingot]

Timeline Earth92

[nocturne nexus]

lol

[lavish ingot]

[nocturne nexus]

😆

[crude scarab]

probably?
I wanna test out to see if you can destroy these dirt blocks with a sledghammer but yeah you can build floors on the empty dark spaces and walk on then

[lavish ingot]

Wow

Imagine tunneling to the military research facility

[crude scarab]

oooooh that'd be fun

[lavish ingot]

Very tedious

To make

Lots of floors

[plain shadow]

42.8.1

I'll be dead from old age before I see build 48

[gleaming gust]

No mods?

[crude scarab]

none

I just got the wood wall basement on the farm in muldraugh and I could dismantle the walls with a hammer

[tropic sand]

How do I see the heat map?

[spice quartz]

More zombies doesn't necessarily mean its good for multiplayer

I liked the spawns in the previous update, it felt like they toned them down in areas that made sense, like suburban houses, but now it seems even suburban housing is packed. At least thats my observation in Brandenburg and Muldraugh so far. Oddly enough Riverside seems to be the same? Not too sure what might be going on

[tropic sand]

That’s because multiplayer it terrible in its current state.

Pz is a multiplayer and singleplayer game, but the devs haven’t figured out how to make the multiplayer work

[tropic sand]

Most idiotic take in the world?

[median sundial]

k?

[tropic sand]

“People are loners if they don’t want to play the buggiest and most unstable part of the game”

Or if they live in the country

[blissful echo]

Yeah, especially with the new ragdoll system, who knows of the ragdolls can effect players, if they can, then some glitch could send a player literally flying across the whole map into the wilderness

[vivid jungle]

You always could

I did it in 42.3

The issue is if you fall off you fall to your death lol

[tropic sand]

Or if they live in the country

[tropic sand]

Exactly

[timid quest]

sure why not i guess

+5 points to whoever can tell me whats wrong with this image

[livid solar]

communications

and the fact its in a glove department

[timid quest]

just the glove compartment

actually yeah communications i guess, i cant communicate with anyone with a tv but i guess they can communicate with me

just stuff a whole ass box CRT tv in the tiny glovebox of my van lol

[unkempt coral]

Do you like fall through if you step on the black?

[warm current]

Obligatory mp when comment.
But truly mp when no I'm just kidding I meant to say mp when. Sorry what I was trying to say was mp when?

Jokes aside multipl- kidding actually goated update

[timid quest]

day 10 without a saw or any nails

[crude scarab]

you get thrown to the upper floor right above it

no damage nor anything just teleported

[unkempt coral]

No way haha thats hilarious

[hot basin]

After a few years of hosting multiplayer, I can guarantee you that in the past populated servers were cleared of zeds pretty fast, despite respawns. This resulted in big parts of the map feeling like ghost towns for a while...
In B41, the default population was a joke. Because of the above, I was often forced to increase it to at least 1.6 to make a world that would stay environmentally engaging for more than 2 weeks.

I guess we disagree, as I think higher zed pop/scarier zeds (as in B42) make for a more engaging world, and a good reason to play something other than the lone wolf.

[spice quartz]

I think thats heavily dependent on whether you run with mods or not and whether there are or aren't large groups on the server

Because you could increase zombie population to its max and you will still get people who are bored and hop off eventually

More guns is more ways to kill zombies, so ofc you'd need to increase the amount of zs

And also muscle strain puts a pin in keeping zombie populations high

So Im hoping stealth gets more attention, and maybe even the addition of more ways for zombies to migrate in less predictable ways

[hot basin]

I typically avoid easy mode. I always ran with low loot, hence low guns. And doesn't take a big group to have the desert effect. 2-3 people showing up daily for a week is enough to clear zeds out of a town.

Now, with muscle strain, of course zeds are more scary (in the very early game) which is good to me. How do I know its' good? Because now with default setting I feel a close experience to what I had with high pop in B41

[spice quartz]

Hordes that can draw from idle zombies and start roaming randomly would be the best thing Indie Stone could do for player retention

[hot basin]

That would also be amazing, yup

[hot basin]

Its no coincindence that there's a couple of very popular mods doing just that

[spice quartz]

It'd keep people on their toes more and give a good reason to actually fortify a base. Especially for players who go rural, because if you make a base in the countryside zombies are never gonna be a threat

[spice quartz]

They don't do it fully though

Like its a rudimentary implementation

[hot basin]

It is, of course modders can do so much and devs could make it 10x better.

But for now, Horde Night + Starving Zombies + Wandering Zombies is my to-go mod combo to address that

[median sundial]

its not as bad as you make it out to be lmao

the mod for MP works just fine

[tropic sand]

Yes it is

People with bad internet can’t play it either

Cause it sucks

[crude scarab]

damm all my chickens do is just sleep all day long
and they're alive cause I can grab and they make noises, they're just... sleeping permanently for some reason

[tropic sand]

Can someone tell me why we can’t react in this channel?

It’s so dumb

[wind vortex]

grab them and then drop them on the ground, see if they still live..

[median sundial]

That’s a them problem that’s not on the game lmao

[south quiver]

Yeah that why my parents told me when my cat died when I was young

[nocturne nexus]

I agree, when i had a server with like 15 players it got barren pretty quickly because of how many people running around, will be interesting to see how this works with mp. This was just mostly vanilla outaide of like 10 mods that were clothing mods, i dont like high pops but it was def difficult finding a sweet spot for mp

[crude scarab]

I tried with two and they instantly drop dead and explode in blood

[sour quartz]

Many zombie in survival mode, is normal, right?

[tropic sand]

Are you actually dumb dude or trolling

You said you need to make friends

[median sundial]

yea? and brought up having bad internet?

so I said no a game problem?

what do you not get

[gleaming gust]

MP without optimized netcode = its players fault yes yes

[tropic sand]

Having bad internet does not mean you don’t have friends

Brother is actually dumb

[median sundial]

zomboid players try not to cope impossible

[median sundial]

did i say it did? no lmao read what I saw vro

[gleaming gust]

I dont need to cope, I play alone lol

[median sundial]

k?

[gleaming gust]

troll

[median sundial]

"troll" bc I used "k" you call anything that you disagree with a troll or bait its sad

[gleaming gust]

says the child who thinks people playing alone are somehow worse

[median sundial]

did I say they were worse?

[gleaming gust]

assumes people who play alone don't have friends 😄

[median sundial]

is that calling people worse? you did not answer me?

[gleaming gust]

yes, that is pretty childish assumption

[median sundial]

no calling people worse is calling people worse, putting words in my mouth is going to get you no where.

loner is not derogatory or putting people down the definition is "a person who prefers not to associate with others:"

[gleaming gust]

then its good if we agree that MP or SP, its all the same degree of worth

[median sundial]

id say MP is above single player when it comes to worth makes the game enjoyable

[gleaming gust]

and I like SP because its my own schedule, and the sense of being alone in the post-apoc world

[median sundial]

good for you?

[gleaming gust]

of course

[median sundial]

I am confused as to your point?

[gleaming gust]

don't make me say the same about your point

[median sundial]

I am not making you say anything other then asking you not to put words in my mouth like you tried to.

[nocturne nexus]

Now now

[gleaming gust]

I'll rephrase then, you sound very childish in how you respond to people in here in general 🙂

and I'll leave it at that because I found better things to do

[nocturne nexus]

mom theyre fighting!!

[median sundial]

what you consider childish is people not talking to you in a polite way, grow a pair.

[gleaming gust]

go make a base in an elevator shaft, no rats can escape if the bottom doors ain't opening

[nocturne nexus]

Lol, im still bitter about my death last night so im youching grass right now

[gleaming gust]

I am trying to keep myself from playing PZ before stable

[nocturne nexus]

You havent played 42 yet?!

[gleaming gust]

I have, I did colamancy duh

[nocturne nexus]

Thats understandable though to waits

Hahha awh i miss that bug

[gleaming gust]

last I played was like 42.6.0 and I did 0-5 STR in less than 14 days

[nocturne nexus]

Bring back op sodie!!!

Oh wth lol

[tropic sand]

I read what you said, guess you didn’t

[median sundial]

ok?

[wind vortex]

yes, hutch dirtiness shouldn't reach 40%, they will get sick and die inside

[crude scarab]

oh I did not knew that
left it on 100% for some good time before I found a towel to clean it up

though when I hover over it just says they're sickly not dead so I'm hoping they will eventually get up again, hopefully.

[wind vortex]

no, they are dead

try taking them all out and see

if they are all on their side, they're gone

[crude scarab]

they are 😦

i had really thought this was just them sleeping

[warm comet]

https://tenor.com/view/noperms-gif-13090744713775536558

oh wait i do....😈

[hot basin]

Quest of my life in B41. I think towards the end I found the formula, but now back to the drawing board. With all these new systems and balancing the sweet spot has to be found again

[nocturne nexus]

Lol that and being able to satisfy everyone with fibding crafting stuff

[hot basin]

That's just impossible. As I said, this community can be very opinionated and it's infinitely split. The average PZ player is at its core identity a Single-Player guy that wants to have a multiplayer experience, but in a way that speaks to its' very specific tastes. Hence, one player/one server.

A shocking stat, at peak 41 there were 6k servers, and as much active players

This is right now on BattleMetrics. It speaks for itself

Something that I bang on since I started hosting is the concept that servers are a shared gaming space, and a willingness to compromise is PARAMOUNT. Both from user and host sides. Players and Admin alike. Otherwise it just cannot work.

The more complex the setting board becomes, the more crucial is to accept this core concept... Otherwise...well just look above for the outcome

[wind vortex]

close hutch doors and let them sleep outside if you can't clean it regularly, they can live outside without problems

I'm running a cryo run and it's -80 outside they don't seem to be affected by weather at all

[dawn grotto]

to be fair, that IS the bugfix, previous versions youd fall into an endless pit and crash the game iirc

[tropic sand]

https://tenor.com/view/thank-you-thank-you-mark-thanks-thanks-mark-dwayne-the-rock-johnson-gif-25538890

[violet citrus]

so freaking need mp devs

[turbid bison]

lol

[earnest spoke]

mp when

[prime ember]

When it is ready

[tropic sand]

So 2 years

At least

[cold garden]

[prime ember]

If that is what you want to believe, who am I to stop you 🤷‍♂️

[tropic sand]

I don’t want to believe it but that’s the rate things are going

[prime ember]

https://tenor.com/view/galaxy-quest-never-never-give-up-gif-4398729

[livid solar]

fiending for hotfix

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[hybrid olive]

yall need to embrace the single player

only there

you can be in full control

only there

you can achieve peak character development

[rugged dirge]

Fiending for butchering hotfix and animals eating bricks hotfix and zombie pop hotfix and bumping hotfix (did this happen I wasn’t paying attention) and butchering hotfix again and guns hotfix

[hybrid olive]

only there you can have a 3 mounths playthough and see the world deteriorate

[livid solar]

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-cat-cat-has-been-alerted-gif-26351872

[digital quail]

Centipede ears

[unkempt coral]

Don’t forget gate hotfix

[ionic sparrow]

M14 still doesn't have proper attachments?

[lone sorrel]

i think firearm attachments are the least of their worries rn dude

[ionic sparrow]

yeah i understand that, not really complaining

[unkempt coral]

Dang it seemed like the crashes sleeping were fixed this patch but just had another one

[nocturne nexus]

Ok but i really wanna hit my friend in the head with the huge crowbar train pully thingie

[hybrid olive]

Sadistic ahh

[nocturne nexus]

Ahh real monsters?

[hybrid olive]

Uhh

Duh?

[cerulean glacier]

Might be the saddest thing I've ever read

[hybrid olive]

How is that

[cerulean glacier]

Get some friends dude

[hybrid olive]

Brother

No way you took that this seriously

[lone sorrel]

lighten up bruh

not everyone mains MP

[waxen shuttle]

So how's the new heat map

[thorn ember]

flawed but interesting id say
needs tuning for the less populated areas, works well for the ones that are supposed to be really populated though

[waxen shuttle]

How does it compare to before though.

[median sundial]

gta 6 before PZ mp

even tho we have a working mod for it

[thorn ember]

bradenburg is completely overrun when before it wasnt bad at all
lots of previously uninhabited POIs now have zeds, like rosewood pd or the muldraugh warehouse

ekron feels about the same to me, havent tried anywhere else

[nocturne nexus]

yeah branderburger is insane, lv that new heatmap is awesome for and guns unlimited

[hollow harness]

who exactly thought it would be hilarious to add a random jerk/direction when you bump into JUST 1 ZOMBIE your telling me if 1 zombie is next to me in a corner its now impossible for me to sprint past? who the fuck thought this was a good idea? if your going to add a random jitter to bumping into zombies it should happen AFTER the first bump so you dont get wall locked 99% of the time

[nocturne nexus]

are you talking about when you run into onea nd your shoulder like whatevers?

[waxen shuttle]

Hmmm so I should definitely only use half my original zombies lol

[turbid bison]

usually the down town areas and big stores seems to be the more dangerous with those hoards.

[waxen shuttle]

As they should

Im gonna consider turning off that preloot thing and just having low loot

I wanna play but I wish we were closer to a stable

[turbid bison]

finding a police statation already looted by off screen NPC lol

[waxen shuttle]

Yeah thats dumb

[turbid bison]

looted scenes should after surviving a whole month.

surviving 6 months and hearing random background screams.

[waxen shuttle]

I mean it makes sense, but the problem is theres no way to get that loot from the npc

Because they don't exist yet

Id be fine if it was just the houses tbh

[turbid bison]

those random looted houses at least have some loot left behind even seeing things like for random food on the floors.

what is weird is that these looted houses seem to always have tear off ever door in the buildings.

[nocturne nexus]

yah , lol when i want guns ill spawn in westpoint

[turbid bison]

even the police station I looted all the doors even the bath room stalls had their doors torn of the hinges lol

[waxen shuttle]

Open the door I need to poop!

Is there a way to make it just houses preloot

[dark rune]

multiplayer tommorow for sure

[hybrid olive]

Stop this

This hope is brittle

Nonsensical i would say

It's rather a weakness

The one thing that will give you the willpower to get through this

Is patience

[gleaming gust]

just give MP and dont fix it if broken, until actual b42 features are in

[pure star]

anyone else having issues with metal fences

gates**

[livid solar]

sadly known bug

all double gates are bugged including doors

[prime ember]

There would be soooo many complaints if this happened lol

Worse than the occasional "mp when"

[nocturne nexus]

maybe they will remember we asked for one big update for mp instead of small ones lol

[prime ember]

I remember when B41 came out onto stable and people begging TIGS to slow down their update cadence cause it was bricking mods/people were unable to connect to servers most of the time cause the server was almost always out of date

[rugged dirge]

We need a trait that lets you eat stale food and dog food without penalties

Just for the rp

[prime ember]

I have said it before, I think each character should have a favourite food that they crave (think Zombie Land and Twinkies) that you get a bonus happiness from, could have a cool down on it to minimize abuse

I do like the stale food trait idea though, would be pretty neat

[rugged dirge]

I love that XD I’d make a rat farmer who loves to eat rat

[cold garden]

speaking of food, this is what we need as a dessert

[rugged dirge]

Yum XD

[nocturne nexus]

yeah lol tis and modders got shit for it lol

[nocturne nexus]

you know im down for trying anything like once

[rugged dirge]

I’m down to give anything a sniff at least once. If it smells awful why would I put it in my mouth

[cold garden]

can’t forget the beverage lol

[prime ember]

Yeee lolll 😂 I was luckily just running my server vanilla at that point so it wasn't that bad for me

Still lots of restarts

Probably do the same for B42 as well, vanilla to start until everything slows down

[nocturne nexus]

yeah lol people got hella mad , and i get it , but its honestly just better they work on it cause most people play with mods n stuff and i bet that would just add to clustercuss

[prime ember]

True

[nocturne nexus]

i havent had to use any mods so far for 42, have you had to?

[prime ember]

Has to? No not really - I saw a few things that fixed things for previous versions but I never bothered. Lately I have been doing day one runs just to shoot things for fun, and then vanilla run for main needs to be restarted cause 42.9

[livid solar]

istg bleach doesnt work

i still zombify

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-glorpin-it-glorp-soda-soda-shaking-gif-905011299873407089

[prime ember]

That is by design

[livid solar]

im down for that

but did it used to do that

[prime ember]

For a while you didn't zombify so they switched it back

[livid solar]

hell yeah

time to start barricading myself when i get bit

[crude scarab]

trees have loot is the only one I had to use so far

[nocturne nexus]

yah i feel like 42 pretty much has covered all my needs for mods , especially with the last patch and the rain options

[crude scarab]

branches are really hard to find if ya don't have an axe

[nocturne nexus]

oh dangit i need a axe in my current run too lol thnx

[rugged dirge]

Yea for some reason you can’t just break branches off trees and bushes ._.

[crude scarab]

yeah, they should be just as easy to find as the stones are, just being able to go on trees and rip'em off

[crude scarab]

oh and I said I was going to test the other day
yes you can 100% expand basements just by destroying the walls and destroying any dirt blocks with a sledgehammer, building walls and floors and done

[nocturne nexus]

wow wonder how far you can go lol

[rugged dirge]

Wonder if you could make secret unfindable stashes in the void

[crude scarab]

oooh yess just like build a wall and lock it up, only way to find is destroying with a sledghammer

or make a wall of crates/bookshelfs

[unkempt coral]

https://tenor.com/view/hotfix-patch-software-server-bugfix-gif-8291941989415165486

Yall got any more of that

[prime ember]

!dance

[left slate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[cold garden]

!dance

[left slate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[lavish ingot]

mp = bool(input(“Multiplayer is out True or False. ”))

While mp == False:
print(“multiplayer tomorrow for sure”)
mp = bool(input(“Multiplayer is out True of False. ”))

print(“MULTIPLAYER”)

[hybrid olive]

Quite accurate

[lavish ingot]

I need to change the code

It was wrong, gimme a sec

[hybrid olive]

[lavish ingot]

I think I fixed it but idk bc I’m on my phone lol

[hybrid olive]

Looks right to me

But like, i am an absolute zero in python

[unkempt coral]

Was hoping we'd get a double gate hotfix before the weekend darn

[warm comet]

!dance

[left slate]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[ebon nebula]

Hey where are yall finding carpentry books?

[nocturne nexus]

commercial vehicles , warehouses , sheds, houses , sometimes school classrooms

higher level ones i find on zombie surviviors

[ebon nebula]

alright thank you. i forgot that libraries got reworked

[nocturne nexus]

yah i usually find like the actual skill books in classrooms rather than the library part usually , sometimes they spawn there but seems more like the novels n shtuff

theres also mobile library stepvans if you can find those

[ebon nebula]

idk i checked the riverside highschool and the classrooms didn't seem to have much either

[nocturne nexus]

yeah lol same, i went there and didnt find much for skillbooks

[ebon nebula]

also btw does boarding up windows with metal or wood decrease like zomboid alarm rate

in addition to putting clothes up