42.7.0 Unstable Released

[velvet hemlock]

well well well

[north mica]

copium

[gaunt imp]

Multiplayer will release sometime between tomorrow and when the sun explodes

[limpid sail]

mp will release when ı find girlfriend

make sense

[stone echo]

damb 😔 😔 😔

[limpid sail]

[lavish shore]

Speed it up and find a boyfriend instead

[floral hearth]

hello, someone know why since B42 we don't have thurstoid anymore or some news from the devs ?

[glacial badger]

thursdoids have been replaced with patch notes

[coral oasis]

patch notes speak for themselves

[floral hearth]

ok ty, i just miss those monthly news

[coral oasis]

I too, but now they are focused on unstable

[limpid sail]

hell no

[lavish shore]

xD

[royal urchin]

Chop chop get to work

[cedar tapir]

No mp for you

[lapis otter]

@stone echo ty!

Think i might drop reluctant fighter and speed demon and pick up slow metabolism again.

[stone echo]

nice, nice, seems like a mostly good build- i'd definitely drop stout and take fit instead, though. str 6 from lumberjack already gets you to the breakpoint to get the stout trait for free, and the next breakpoint is at 9 which you still don't reach with this built

[lapis otter]

i didn't even realize that thank you

[stone echo]

fitness is good to have, especially with heavy weapons like axes :)

i'd personally drop outdoorsman and whittler for gymnast or something but that's more personal preference than anything else, nimble is a little less important in b42 than it was in b41

[lapis otter]

ive had terrible luck finding the weapon recipes i want thats the reason i go whittler lol

i guess 6 carving to get the sharpen bone recipe isn't that bad tho.

[stone echo]

can you not research craft that one?

[lapis otter]

wiki shows this

[stone echo]

yeah, it's kinda hard to find info on research craft stuff admittedly

you might have to find an axe to research that craft anyways so fair enough taking that

[lapis otter]

i use occupation starter items mod so i spawn with a hatchet. we shall find out haha

[stone echo]

hi throwing these in here too because i lied about not wanting to talk about profession balancing. please look at the vanilla balancing. i don't want to brag overly but like, cmon, it's at least better than vanilla is

[reef hill]

I have been teaching a friend how to Zomboid, and oh my gosh going back to B41 is wild

Feels like a tech demo compared to 42

[eternal field]

"you see that wall there? Run into it until you get through it"

a friend of mine is currently waiting for the full release of b42 before they start to play, mainly because they are the homesteader kind, so it'll probably end in a stardew valley with a touch of zombies on the side

[wind wigeon]

!dance

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[strong wedge]

!dance

[deep snow]

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[untold latch]

I don't know what I am looking at, but the "new" lines are too permissive to me. Mechanic granting 2 points while gives you more perks than vanilla is funny.I also take issue with Fitness instuctor and bulglar. But that's just the opinion of an hardcore enjoyer, I guess

[stone echo]

yeah, honestly, a lot of the professions are really good- the idea was that since you can only take one, there's an actual reason to take most of the professions instead of unemployed + the relevant trait being superior for more than half of the professions

vanilla profession balance is, frankly, terrible. gestures at welder and electrician and chef and etc.

i also valued weapon skills higher than crafting skills, and useful crafting skills that are hard to level above others

for mechanic specifically, you don't get a combat skill- maintenance is good, but you have no weapon points. ergo, it's a cheaper profession, making it slightly easier to take a weapon trait to accomodate

i'd be happy to explain my reasoning for any of these professions; i actually wrote down my thoughts on all of them in code comments :)

[untold latch]

Oh yeah, I am also culpable of taking unemployed. It is the better option. But I feel like adding unique perks to occupations may be a better route than adding more of the same that can be obtained through a trait, maybe? (Thinkinng out loud here).

Also, simply nerfing unemployed would help

[stone echo]

yeah, i agree, but iiiii don't know how to mod in entirely new traits with effects beyond skill levels/crafting recipes </3

also i think unemployed is fine as is, honestly, it's just a bunch of professions that needs buffs

i did try to nerf the busted ones here (lumberjack especially)

[untold latch]

like...you see, bulglar is a good example. He doesn't need much of a correction, because it has it's own unique ability

[stone echo]

burglar does have it, yeah, but... it's a reaaaaally overrated ability.

like it's good. but it's not -6 point start good.

burglar's only positive traits are hotwiring and nimble points, yknow?

at least until stealth is in a good state

keep in mind that burglar is, in essence, a 14-point trait because the default no-profession option is 8 points

[untold latch]

yeah so...this is what makes it tricky. The worth of it really depends on your starting setting. Like, if you play with Worse vehicle condition (like me), bulglar is kinda worth 6 points

[stone echo]

not even 6 points, it's 14 which is really hard to justify in most settings

true, true, but i try to balance around vanilla apocalypse

that's the standard gamemode and all, yknow?

[untold latch]

absolutely

[stone echo]

are there any in particular you think look egregiously overpowered in that list? i am always looking for feedback on balance, i just wanted to make it actually viable to take any profession, heh

park ranger is the one i'm most unsure on, honestly- it's an expensive one but gives a huge spread of skills. still, though, as an axe profession you don't get lumberjack's attack speed buff or fire officer's general increase to physical ability

[untold latch]

Hang on I am having a proper look

[stone echo]

ah! you did mention fitness instructor- my reason for buffing that one was that, in vanilla, taking unemployed + athletic + runner gives you basically all of the benefits of fitness instructor + a level of fitness (and all the benefits of the athletic trait) for 2 points fewer

[untold latch]

Ok, I see what you did. You basically added point to professions with no combat stuff, which is a good rationale.

Bow that I had a closer look...they are mostly fine. I have a tiny issue with park ranger (too much stuff) and engineer

[stone echo]

yeah, exactly, that's what i was going for

i'd be happy to hear thoughts on those two though!

[untold latch]

yeah I imagined that was the case

[stone echo]

my thoughts with engineer was for it to be a 'you can do a little bit of every crafting skill, but you have no combat skills' but now that you mention it it might be a touch cheap for what it is

[untold latch]

7 XP multipliers for park ranger plus a weapon recipe is a lot. Sure there's no combat there but still

[stone echo]

it does get axe, actually, so yeah you might be right

i did make it more expensive than most? but maybe not enough

keep in mind that a lot of park ranger's multiplier skills are... kinda worthless/super easy to level without a multiplier?

tracking does very little at current, foraging is the easiest skill to level in the game, fishing doesn't even really need levels to be good

but yeah, a level of axe and a level of aiming is maybe a bit much...

[untold latch]

🤔 yeah foraging is busted

[untold latch]

yep. Axe needs to go IMHO

[stone echo]

you think that one's the better one to go between it and aiming, then?

there are already two other axe-centric professions, i suppose

[untold latch]

I do, because it's more impactful in ealy game

[stone echo]

i'll play around with that for sure then, probably nerf it a touch

what about engineer?

[untold latch]

also yes. It's a lot for the cost it comes with

what's the rational of it being a blacksmith at all?

[stone echo]

i was trying to keep in mind 'hey most of these skills are kinda useless' because electrical is a nothing skill, mechanics is... fine at best, welding is also kind of awful

[untold latch]

I saw that intent with doctor and nurse, yeah ahah

To me, engineer is -2/3 points without metalworking perk

[stone echo]

engineer having that point in blacksmith is maybe not totally logical? but like, vanilla engineer has a point in carpentry which is a little off anyways, heh

hm... i dunno about both, i could see one or the other but -2 for a suite of dubiously-useful crafting skills seems a bit much

a big benefit i kept in mind is that engineer can get hotwiring very quickly by swapping out a few lightbulbs, but doesn't inherently start with it like burglar

[untold latch]

Also, blacksmith itself... you added short blunt but yet you discounted it 6 points, which is a big sale!

[stone echo]

blacksmith is so expensive for a worse version of the trait in vanilla

i might've overcorrected a bit though

my bias against short blunt shows again

[untold latch]

yeah, I get it. It;s mostly fine but yep, you erred in the opposite direction.

[stone echo]

i was kinda comparing to carpenter for that one- 1 point weapon, 1 point maintenance, other misc crafting skill

but other ones seem to cost -2 for a similar benefit, so i might bump those two down a touch

or... hm.

[untold latch]

try to keep weapon type-blind, if you can eheh

[stone echo]

no, other ones don't cost -2, i remember now- i think my thought process was 'a weapon skill + maintenance point is essentially the baseline of every character. therefore, 0 points should be balanced around a weapon point + maintenance point'

and you sacrifice those for 8 points by taking unemployed

[untold latch]

yeah its crazy how you can't do shit with 1 maintenance eheh

[stone echo]

there's a reason they added maintenance to a ton of random professions a few updates ago, including lumberjack which absolutely did not need a buff by the stars devs why

[untold latch]

but still brother, level 4 metalworking, plus plenty of recipes unlocked

[stone echo]

yeah, but you can't even use metalworking early on

[untold latch]

Theres an argument that you should consider as "combat" also the ability to craft weapons, in a way

[stone echo]

at best you charge straight for mccoy estate with a welding torch, mask, and tank to dismantly some car wrecks and start making large knives to level

and mccoy estate is so ridiculous that balancing around it feels a touch silly

blacksmith actually has a +4 metalworking in vanilla too, which i took as a cue to buff most of the other 'one crafting skill' professions up to +4s as well

[untold latch]

yeah I know. I dislike it in vanilla too ahah

But yeah you added short blunt

[stone echo]

i think blacksmith doesget a lot of power should you manage to set up a forge, but isn't nearly as strong early on as some other professions

[untold latch]

I a way, i'd be happier to see short blunt +2 and -2 points

points are very important. kinda make or brakes the balance because they purchase additional XP multipliers. And it's not like there's no combat traits to choose from....

[stone echo]

out of curiosity, why does blacksmith present an issue but not carpenter? carpenter can do a very similar thing, just with carving instead of smithing

carving doesn't even need a forge

[stone echo]

there's aggravatingly few combat traits, imo. you can't get short blunt with any traits and short blade only comes with hunter which is really expensive for not much reason

[untold latch]

you took a point out from carpenter, you added 6 to blacksmith

[stone echo]

yeah, because i felt carpenter was a touch strong in vanilla and blacksmith was genuinely worthless at its cost

very important to remember the for the point costs i'm adjusting. so many of them in vanilla are, to put it lightly, genuinely mind-bogglingly awful

electrician is a -4 in vanilla and gives nothing of value

[untold latch]

also, I wouldn't be surprised to see +1 strengh in blacksmith, if that helps

[stone echo]

hm... suppose that wouldn't be a bad swap, honestly? no specific weapon skill, but you're a little stronger with anything- and since you're a smith, you can rush to high-level long blades

[untold latch]

oh yeah I agree. As of 42.7 it's like that.

[stone echo]

leans even more into the 'weak early game, huge power boost once you set up a forge' thing

[untold latch]

yeah 😉

[stone echo]

i like that idea a lot, actually. swap short blunt for a strength level. gets you stout for free too which is really nice

assuming you don't take something reducing strength anyways

i will absolutely mark that down on the to-do list, excellent idea

[untold latch]

but that's a skill issue in that case ahah

[untold latch]

oh no worries, glad this whole thing was of help brother. I didn't mean to poke around your rebalancing that hard, my bad

[stone echo]

oh no no no trust me i love the debate

i am super obsessive over zomboid profession/trait balance for no reason and i love talking about it

[untold latch]

yeah I know, I see you yapping about it since over a month 😅

[stone echo]

suppose i should ask as well... do any of them seem underpowered? a lot of them are meant to be very light professions, essentially unemployed + a skill level or two in something for a slight discount in exchange for your profession slot

[stone echo]

<- most definitely certainly normal about this game

[untold latch]

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Repairman took a big hit

[stone echo]

it did, but it's also way cheaper

i always thought it weird and wasn't sure what it was actually meant to be- as is, it's kiiinda engineer-lite?

[untold latch]

oh no...I just saw angler having +1 spear (which is OP) and extra 2 points

[stone echo]

okay. yes. angler does have a spear level but has nothing else useful.

spears are good, yes, but cmon. no books, no trait, no profession in vanilla? i figured trading your profession slot and eight trait points for that level is a worthy cost, especially with how much of a pain producing spears is at current

unlike the other 0-point professions, it doesn't get a maintenance level alongside it- that's super important for spears, so you're probably going to need to take handy or smith trait to get that

which puts you down to -6 at the cheapest already

[untold latch]

ahah sounds like you had deep thoughts about it

[stone echo]

again.
<- very normal.

i wanted a way to spec into spears without just doing the steam workshop special of 'gladiator profession where you kill everything for four points'

instead of spears essentially being something you tack on to other builds

[untold latch]

why mechanic went from -4 to +2 again? You took off shorut blunt but added maintenance

[stone echo]

no weapon skill, mechanics is dubiously useful at the best of times

[untold latch]

It's all right. I always just nerf*spear XP multiplier anyway ahah

[stone echo]

valid valid

[untold latch]

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we're taking over tha a chat

[stone echo]

for a very worthy discussion i should think :)

[untold latch]

again, I'd rather see mechanic with +1 mainancance AND short blunt, but less points

[stone echo]

ehh, mechanic having short blunt levels in general doesn't make sense to me, and there's already multiple other professions that spec into short blunt

carpenter is already a +1 maint +1 short blunt as well

[untold latch]

fair

[stone echo]

i wanted mechanic to be kind of welder but to the left- more focused on cars than on welding, plus a point of maintenance but also a touch more expensive

fun fact by the way: in vanilla, the welder profession doesn't even start off with scrap metal weapon recipes

because in the files, scrap metal weapons are for some reason put in the blacksmithing folder

[untold latch]

I guess that it bothers me because in my hosting sessions mechanics is a crucial skill. So its my personal bias. But also, I don't see the point of going +4 when you got a multiplier in place anyways

[stone echo]

suppose that's different play experience? i tend to drive pretty carefully and just swap cars during loot runs as needed, mechanics tends to be more of a bonus than anything crucial

[untold latch]

yeah, I use cars as a way to slow down progression in my server. It's different, for sure

[stone echo]

true, the less cars there are the more valuable mechanic becomes

[untold latch]

oh no it's not about car abundance

[stone echo]

oh?

[untold latch]

but we're taking a tangent

[stone echo]

ah, feel free to talk about it if you'd like but fair enough if you want to skip over it

[untold latch]

I use this mod

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3231347240&searchtext=worse+vehicle+condition

well, it's a different one in B42, but does the same thing pretty much

[stone echo]

oooh, cool, that's neat

more incentive to scrap together a junker instead of just waiting to find a 'survivor car'

[untold latch]

yes sir 🙂 It's very rewarding to put together a working vehicle

[stone echo]

nonbinary they/them, but i can totally see the appeal

still though! balancing around vanilla apocalypse and all

[untold latch]

oh my bad 😉

[stone echo]

no worries no worries!

[untold latch]

I'm not seeing any professsion grossly underpowered. You balanced it well with point rewards

[stone echo]

doing better than indie stone is in that regard then, and that's what i was going for :)

[untold latch]

neat, looking forward to see the mod in the workshop then

[stone echo]

obligatory comment making fun of welder again here

oh! it's already out, actually

[untold latch]

just likn it so I can show the support

[stone echo]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3393766421

i'll update it a little with some of the suggested changes soon-ish, the picture above shows the current values

[reef hill]

@stone echo that is basically where we got to - was gushing about all the things that B42 fixes and she wants to play it cause it has more more things to do at home

[untold latch]

you should put that table in the workshop when you update it

[stone echo]

it's on the forum post!

[reef hill]

Woops sorry no idea how you got tagged grimmsly

[untold latch]

neat

[stone echo]

caught in the crossfire 😔

[reef hill]

😆

😘

[eternal field]

that was actually one hell of a impressive misping, on a reply no less

[reef hill]

Yea I have no idea lol

[untold latch]

who knows, maybe I will use your mod when I'm back hosting multiplayer 😉

I like the rational, well done

[reef hill]

Discord on phone is weird to me

[stone echo]

it's okay i subsist on pings and tang drink mix

tasty

[stone echo]

thank you :)

[coral oasis]

ECN fat-fingered the keyboard?

[eternal field]

my current monthly™️ gameplay loop currently exists of starting in echo creek, find some halfway decent kitchen tool to beat things up with and take over the chicken farm

sauce pan is the peak early weapon and nobody is going to tell me otherwise, a frying pan will do a shame they arent proper cast iron

[stone echo]

thinking i might make a trait rebalance to go alongside that one, though that'll be more complicated if i wind up touching anything other than point costs for the ones that aren't just skill points

[reef hill]

Possible but I didn't even go to the @

[stone echo]

also i want to wait for 42.8 in case the devs actually rebalance character creation. pffff.

[reef hill]

47.8? Dang that'll be a while

[untold latch]

you could check out SOTO mod code to have an idea of how to make more advanced changes

[reef hill]

[stone echo]

numbers 😔

[coral oasis]

42.888888888888

[reef hill]

Repeating of course

[coral oasis]

fat-fingered myself.....

[eternal field]

tapping on a name on mobile automatically @s someone, and hitting "reply" doesnt reset the text box

been there, done that

[reef hill]

Ohh I did do this

By accident, woops

Now we know!

[eternal field]

the space to tap for mention is very generous, especially if you dont have a phone the size of a laptop, i still demand for it to be toggable

[eternal field]

I'd imagine that happens when all of crafting is in there, so you can get the scope all at once

kind of a nightmare to balance for singleplayer and multiplayer

[stone echo]

oh yeah, i figure, it's a joke and not any actual jab towards the devs or anything

still though. cmon guys. you can buff blacksmith/welder/electrician a little bit.

[eternal field]

inb4 we get full electricity in the buildings to rewire as we see fit

I'll burn so many houses down with shabby wiring, noting of kentucky will be left, lol

[stone echo]

electrical being a useful skill? impossible. put them to death.

genuinely though, i'd love to see a rework of generators- level 0 and you can directly plug in a device, slightly level lets you power-bar split to multiple devices, medium level lets you splice into small buildings, high level gives you finer control over it and maybe lets you upgrade your generator a bit

bigger gas tank especially, so you can be away from base for longer

not necessarily slower drain- just a larger storage tank

[eternal field]

i am pretty sure i've read something along those lines before regarding the crafting update, same with semi-automation

where they showed it for making some juice

[stone echo]

yeah, i just hope it's not going to be another situation where the electrical skill is superfluous to actually generating electricity

[eternal field]

i dont think thats currently fully impleneted, atleast i couldnt get the pieces for automation to work, but I'm not a particular good modder

[stone echo]

it'd be super cool for going from a few powered devices to powering a whole building to be a big progression step

really, i like the idea of skills diverging between 'preserve the scraps of the old world' (mechanics, electrical, welding, etc) and 'forge your way into a new one' (farming, carpentry, masonry, metalworking)

at current, it really leans towards the latter while the former is... fine. generators are really good obviously but like, man does every single scrap weapon save for the knife kinda suck.

[eternal field]

they did say they wanted to be a tad like minecraft in the regard of what the new crafting system should achieve

that you effectively have a platform where people can create some crazy mods around, be it nuclear power, or just automation

[stone echo]

yeah, i am curious to see how well it lives up to expectations

[eternal field]

I for one am hopeful because having "turn on and walk away" recipes in the vein of Rust, or 7 Days To Die would be pretty neat

something like a Apiary "crafting table" that you can just set up and it "crafts" in the background while you go bully your neighbours or look for that elusive carton full of nails

[stone echo]

yeah, especially for the animal skin drying and whatnot that should probably be less instantaneous than they are right now

[eternal field]

i am pretty sure they were planned to take time, if i still recall it correctly there are multiple tiles for the drying rack in the files

there's also some highly detailed tiles that currently dont appear to have any functions, that wouldn't make sense to be that detailed otherwise

[stone echo]

i know there's a folder in the files that shows a bunch of currently-disabled crafting stations

the drill press thing, the makeshift blower forge, a key duplicator... a bunch of others i'm not remembering too

[eternal field]

in 42.0 there were also some test files for crafting stations with tanks and some examplary automations

not sure if they are still there, but I tried to play around with them getting them to run and wasnt able to, some of the unique UI stuff, too (like the vending machine)

[stone echo]

oh neat, didn't see those in my game-file-digging

[eternal field]

I'm not sure how much sharing is allowed for digging in the game files

[stone echo]

pretty sure there's no rules against it? it's in the game, after all

[eternal field]

in the recipe/entities folder there's still some dbg txt's where some of the devs played around with automation

and new furnace types, from what little i understand

[stone echo]

oooh, interesting

[eternal field]

if that is a glimpse into the future what the crafting system helds in store the coming months, I'm more than a little excited to see the full implementation

[coral oasis]

shhhht no spoiling

I want to smelt myself in those furnaces

[twin thorn]

However much you desire pretty much

The only real barrier is if someone wants to gatekeep stuff they found in the files

But devs certainly don't gatekeep stuff - they just throw it in, take it out, repeat. Never a word about what finds its way into the files

[coral oasis]

so they are basically there but not enabled

[eternal field]

kinda, yes?

from what i see those parts just dont work at all

[coral oasis]

they are missing scripts maybe.

[eternal field]

i assume there's some missing (or just not exposed) part in java that makes things work as they should

My lua is extremely rusty so i havent looked too much into how much of it is already usable

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[north mica]

me when i want to get back into PZ but i damn well know that there is going to be a patch soon that will just completely wreck any of the progress i make

[cunning delta]

I feel the exact same way, I want to continue my save but not tryna play for a day or two then total annihilation

[rancid karma]

I'm really defensive of developers on average due to being in the software industry, but I don't think its crazy to expect/desire some kind of dev diary about what's up. Its been like a month+ since we heard anything from indie stone devs

I'd like to get an idea of the progress and the current focus

If not the progress then at least the current direction

[brisk hornet]

!dance

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[north mica]

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[humble onyx]

That being said, has this been the longest time for a new patch, not including a release of unstable?

[north mica]

far from it

but its indeed a bit abrupt that theyve suddenly interrupted that consistent frequency of a patch every 1-2 weeks

[humble onyx]

Thought it was every month

[blazing sandal]

Maybe some went on vacation. Or who knows. It’ll come out when it comes out.

[north mica]

no, that was the thursdoid dev logs

[humble onyx]

Again, thought they weren't doing that anymore

Maybe something else?

[north mica]

yeah, they arent now, whats your point

[shy helm]

the great unstable patch drought, need to perform a rain patch-dance

[north mica]

put on a tribal outfit and do weird jumps and ungabunga noises around a fire

[blazing sandal]

We may never have a patch again…

[shy helm]

can't jump in PZ 😦

[humble onyx]

What I'm saying is that, if they're taking a long time to release something, be it information or heck, even the stable release (hypothetically), whatever is happening, it's gonna be big... unless they're taking a well deserved break.

[shy helm]

well, other than over fences...or out of windows

[north mica]

i am not aware of there being any officially established or promised patch/update schedule for the unstable stuff that we're currently in the middle of

so i'd keep my reservations about it

Chances are they're working a bit longer so they can put out a big patch, yes, but they couldve atleast made a short dev diary for it if they've brought themselves that far

not a fan of not knowing what's next, especially when the assumed period inbetween patches has now been broken (for quite some time now)

[untold latch]

I'm Gona repeat myself...Slowing down pace of updates is a good news. It means that Devs are mostly happy with the foundations and can start focusing on adding more systems. It's not like development stopped. There's several updates per day in the internal branch Last one, just 20 minutes or so ago

And I'm fine with the silence too honestly. They would spend time to do PR on something that is still WIP and obsolete news in a matter of days, rather than spend that time just make the game better

[candid orbit]

I just wanted to be a fly on the wall, watching over their bug tracker. Can't say anything, won't say anything.

[toxic current]

At this Point Multiplayer has to come out latest at 42.9

[blazing sandal]

what about 42.999

[spiral hornet]

Yeah or maybe after gta 6

[sullen otter]

I can't say I agree. actually, I think the devs promised quicker, smaller updates in the future, instead of making us wait 2 years like they did with B42.

it's better this way too, I guess. very long development times really exhaust the team, as they've said

[latent tulip]

It hasn't been a month since last update? They often post updates at every month. So we probably going to have so info tomorrow since that was when the last update hit.

[terse cove]

Presumably they meant a blog

I don't necessarily agree bc I think it's fine since 42 patches are coming out

I certainly miss the blogs but if they'll be paused until 42 is stable then that's alright by me

[latent tulip]

Yeah i also miss the blog and I definitely think they need to be active if they disappear for more then a month and a half. Even just saying that we are working on the next patch would be fine for me. But I think the monthly large updates are fine for me

One thing i do wish they would openly talk about is when they would like to add MP. Since it been a while. Not saying they it need to be In the next patch but i'm curious if they want to add everything they wanted to add in b42 before adding MP or are they trying to get it stable enough that it would work fine?

Just saying MP will be added in the unstable branch down the line doesn't really explains if they mean half way of adding things they wanted in b42 or we added everything and now we doing bug fixes before we throw it in the stable branch.

[stone echo]

i do think a 'we would like to have these things implemented in the game before we even consider readding multiplayer' wouldn't be remiss

[latent tulip]

Yeah I meant if they could explain a bit more of when they plan to. I get later but when I saw that I saw it as a todo list that you go down but we got breakable metal fences then raccoons. So a bit of clarification would be nice

[vast willow]

Is there no way to attach motion sensors to gates in B42?

[latent tulip]

I haven't found a single motion sensor in pz and I played for 500 hours. Isn't that used to make bombs?

[vast willow]

It’s not directly used to make bombs but more just an add on and I was wondering if I could use remote controls on doors etc but ig not

[latent tulip]

Oh umm I don't think so but there is a mod. That i used in b41 but it might have been updated

Let me see if i can find it

[latent tulip]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3014820613 sadly the mod haven't been updated but maybe they will in the future just keep a eye on it

[vast willow]

I used that mod too lol

[latent tulip]

What do they even mean when they say "improved hunting"

[vast willow]

Tracking perhaps idk

[compact pendant]

Hunting, but improved

https://tenor.com/view/kid-oh-yeah-yodeling-gif-4295637337024128969

[latent tulip]

My god i got a indie stone dev to respond to me let's go. It really doesn't explains how they want to improve it but I take it i guess. Lol

[vast willow]

I could think of ways they could improve tracking but we will wait and see what they have in store

[latent tulip]

Isn't that already a thing in foraging? I haven't really look for tracks so what does it exactly do at the moment?

[vast willow]

Honestly I don’t even know how tf it works yet lol

[latent tulip]

Lol I haven't tried tracking yet i been just vibing with the crafting and fishing

[vast willow]

Hunting and tracking atm feel disconnected

[latent tulip]

The fishing mini game is the best. I recently went back to b41 so me and two of my friends and play pz and fishing isn't the same :(

[vast willow]

Great it’s in the game but depending on how it’s improved upon we shall see

Either way it’s a W feature

[latent tulip]

I don't really hunt, I live in the country side of the game and just driving down the road get me like 5 dead rabbits even when i'm trying my best to get dodge those guys

Animals itself was a W feature. It makes the game feel more alive.

Oh they might add deers that actually will randomly spawn in the map vs the set location at the moment.

[vast willow]

Living in the countryside of Knox county in b42 is far more quiet than in b41 it feels

[latent tulip]

Deers need to be able to jump over fences i can 100% lure them into a trap at the moment

[vast willow]

It’s actually worth going out to secluded locations to get away from majority of zombie respawns

Dark wallow lake is really slept on so far

[latent tulip]

Fr it is I really enjoy games that allows me to build up from nothing

[vast willow]

There’s literally an island with a house u have to build to

It’s so secluded and annoying to reach not to mention carpentry requirement

But it’s by far the safest location in the game

[latent tulip]

There gotta be a mod to spawn o. That island it would be a fun challenge to build up to the point of building off the island

[vast willow]

FR

[latent tulip]

I found a manor near Brandenburg and it so large that I plan to change some of the guest rooms into selected workshops so one would be blacksmith another tailoring and etc

It near by the woods with a small pond and got some good hunting ground just far out there

There is a large horde that can spawn there but it not that bad and you can easily deal with it.

[vast willow]

I know what you talking about yes

Idk Lmme know if ur able to make blacksmithing stuff indoors

Not tried yet

Only outdoors

[latent tulip]

Have you tried building in a gated community like the one in riverside or muldraugh and coverting some of the residential building into barns for cows, pigs and sheeps.

Also I saw someone else building there blscksmithing stuff indoors so I'm guessing you can

[vast willow]

Nah I wouldn’t do that cus unless you are using ground floor only then it will cause performance issues

[latent tulip]

I didn't get any proformance issues. But I only had like 2 cows

[twin wind]

guys listen

theyve been releasing patches every 1-2 weeks

[latent tulip]

You can also easily covert the second floor into a storage/ workshop for leather, wool, and milk. That was my plan until the update that added breakable fences came out

[vast willow]

It’s only if you use above ground floors

[twin wind]

and this thursday its gonna be a month since last patch

maybe they stopped releasing patches to release the whole thing

or..theyre stuck on something

[vast willow]

We are the ones that are supposed to be helping with that

Not developing

But just generally playing the game and gathering some form of constructive feedback

[latent tulip]

Nah I kinda notice what they do is they post a major patch when they go silent and when they post the big patch they will send like small patches that basically fix anything it cause and then go silent for another month and post another big patch

We probably going to get a big patch this week or next week

[twin wind]

thats what im saying. this next patch might be multiplayer. or just a big batch of new stuff that was promised like bows

[vast willow]

It’s being released in pinches so we can play it and slowly build on so it doesn’t become too unstable yk

If they released the whole ass thing there would be glaring issues

[twin wind]

honestly when I first seen that they will add bows i was thinking they might be broken but cause of the new zombie dispersion its gonna be fine

[dense aspen]

tbh i assumed they had a break week

[twin wind]

plus theyre reworking zombie AI arent they

[twin wind]

theyre was easter and first of may too

[latent tulip]

Maybe it really depends when they want to added it. They added things like ID that we can make and coins from the last couple patches. But to keep the your hope down it probably going to be more crafting.

[vast willow]

Build 43 is gonna be fire

Stage 1 npcs still hopefully

[latent tulip]

Fr i'm a colony manager, I been playing frostpunk and I need another hopeless world building game and I gonna make pz that game

[vast willow]

Build 42 has been cool and all but npcs will entirely change the game forever

Build 43 if it’s still intended for stage 1 npcs will be one of the biggest updates for project zomboid

[twin wind]

lets start the 'when beta43?" spam

[latent tulip]

Pz will definitely feel less scary when they add human npc. Just watching the news and radio channels slowly but surely shut down one by one until the world is silent give me so much dread and I love it.

[vast willow]

If I had to guess it would be at the end of 2026 which is somewhat optimistic but also it says on the PZ wiki it’s expected in 2026 so it’s 50/50

[dense aspen]

imagine youre 4 months in and a high level npc bandit just snipes you from a distance

[latent tulip]

Is that updated? Since b42 had alot of issues i was more expecting it to be pushed back by a year or two

But they do have a another team just working on b43 right?

[vast willow]

Check when page is last updated

[candid orbit]

If B43 started development, they will post a new Thursdoid about it.

[vast willow]

Think august of this year

[latent tulip]

When they do b43 I hope they added solar panels, or a way to make bifuel for cars and gennys

[latent tulip]

I'm like 90% sure they said that. I remember them showing Kate and Bob hiding in a building

[vast willow]

Solar panels are unrealistic cus of the rarity I’m sure

[candid orbit]

That sounds like a multiplayer-only thing. Biofuel isn't easy to do as a 1-person task.

[vast willow]

1993 ppl didn’t really care about green energy that much

[candid orbit]

But if you have a biofuel that multiple people can do together, then it will be fun to try.

[latent tulip]

that why i said I hope they add that in b43 when human npcs are there. Since if npcs are meant to be able to run cars in the future and have generator then the gas station will probably actually run out

[stone echo]

topic is a bit moved on at this point but i always thought merging tracking and trapping into a 'hunting' skill would work great- two fairly limited skills turn into one with a bit more meat to it

[vast willow]

Yeah personally I think you shouldn’t have to hunt and track separately cus generally when you are hunting that’s what you do right lol

[stone echo]

stops there from being an entire skill that's just 'foraging but to the left'

[vast willow]

As for trapping that’s more of a separate skill

[latent tulip]

But it would be a really good late game thing in b43 and that could make electricians a useful part of the team. Hell if we could upgrade generator with higher electrical skills that would make it useful.

[vast willow]

Since there’s so many ways to trap that they could add

[stone echo]

but logically, you'd put traps along known animal routes, right? which you find via tracking

[vast willow]

Yeah if they kept it separate skill but made it usable while tracking yeah

[latent tulip]

Does tracking just show animal routes?

[vast willow]

No clue

[stone echo]

yeah tracking is somewhat of a different skill in reality, but tracking doesn't really have enough to it to justify a ten-level skill

[vast willow]

I’m gonna try test tho

[stone echo]

same feeling as i have with knapping, if there's not enough to justify a whole skill, merge it with something close enough

[north mica]

i would want knapping to remain standalone

[latent tulip]

Alright gotta go my lunch break is over and i gotts get back to class but @ when you test it i'm curious what it does

[stone echo]

there is not possibly enough content to add to knapping to justify it being a whole skill

an entire skill for sharpening rocks is wholly uneccesary, merge it with masonry and call it stoneworking

[north mica]

solution: make it easier to grind (which they've already done, and can do more if necessary

unlike trapping vs tracking it makes less logical sense to merge it with something else

[stone echo]

but that's still uneccesary bloat

[north mica]

i dont see it as such

[stone echo]

also like. masonry is learning how to carve stone. knapping is learning how to carve stone also.

[north mica]

i think this specific case will remain highly subjective

[stone echo]

also why would you ever bother grinding knapping, yknow? it gives zero advantages because stone blades are worse than metal ones, and even the primitive forge can make simple metal blades

which you can get access to by knapping a knife and a chisel and then you're good

no need to ever touch the skill again

[north mica]

knapping is by miles more accessible and easier to produce massive amounts of products with

no one will argue with you that stone blades are better than metal.

[stone echo]

but there's no situation in which knapping would logically be used save for a couple of basic tools on the path to the primitive forge

remember, primitive forge only takes a bunch of rocks to make

i've mentioned it before but it's extremely telling that knapping has multiple reskinned masonry recipes exclusively for levelling the skill

[north mica]

you need the masonry skills for it anyway, and then a little of the metalworking skill to start crafting any blade to begin with, but i digress

knapping is small-scale masonry

[stone echo]

masonry, yes, but you can start making blades with very low metalworking levels

[stone echo]

exactly, so why add an entire separate skill for something logistically very similar?

[north mica]

you dont use chisels for knapping

masonry is a whole other profession

[stone echo]

there's not a metalworking skill and then also separately a bladecrafting skill

they're merged, even though there's somewhat of a different skillset

[north mica]

masonry = working big rocks with tools
knapping = the art of smashing 2 rocks together to make something sharp, usually as part of something larger

[stone echo]

and surely you can see how those could easily fall under the same umbrella of stoneworking

manipulating rocks into tools and building supplies

[north mica]

a mason will likely not know how to knap, because knapping is more of a survivalist/primitive skill that would be considered very rare in the modern population, save for people who are in some special outdoors clubs

[stone echo]

i think a crucial question for any skill is 'why will a player use this skill' and knapping just has almost none, long-term

[north mica]

does everything need to be longterm?

[stone echo]

so is carving stone bricks by hand, yet that's a masonry skill

[north mica]

I think knapping is great for early to midgame, its what ive used the most when it comes to making weapons

[stone echo]

when knapping takes as long to level as it does? yes, i think it should last longer

[north mica]

you dont carve them by hand, you need a chisel for it. Masonry is not a survivalist skill, not realistically speaking

[stone echo]

who's ever going to grind for knapping 7 to make a long stone blade?

[stone echo]

by hand meaning with tools, i meant without machinery

knapping has no reason to exist above like level 2 is my point, i suppose

it doesn't have the complexity to justify 10 levels which is why i feel it should be merged

gameplay over pure realism, in this case

[glacial badger]

remove knapping skill and put all it's recipies into a magazine or something

because yea, something that is only useful early game doesn't need 10 levels to grind out

[north mica]

sub-optimal solution idea, it'd just make it a pain in the arse to have to look for the magzine

[glacial badger]

or take a profession with it included

[north mica]

i have said this at the start of the conversation, you can just increase the xp gains for knapping to fix this problem you guys are having

[stone echo]

skill system could also be reworked to justify smaller, shorter skills, but under the current one it sucks

[north mica]

either by yourself or that the devs do it

[stone echo]

i mean the issue isn't 'getting knapping xp is too hard', the issue is 'there's no reason for me to want to level up knapping'

because again, it's just a worse version of bone carving, or welding, or metalworking

it just doesn't do enough to justify its own existence

[north mica]

yeah, its knapping, it wont be as good as metalworking, or welding, both produce metal items
I'm not disagreeing with you here for the sake of disagreeing but that was probably a bad point to try to make

What i like is the suggestion that different skills could have less/more skill levels depending on how many crafting recipes they have/how complex the skill is

[stone echo]

that's exactly my point, though. with the ease of access of the other options, why would anyone ever use knapping?

[glacial badger]

knapping would have like 2 levels in that case

[north mica]

Because knapping is much easier and doesnt eat nearly as much resources

[stone echo]

even on a wilderness map, you can set up a primitive forge very quickly

[north mica]

don't be ridiculous, i think it would warrant 5

[stone echo]

then you choose between grinding metalworking or grinding knapping, and one is objectively superior

[glacial badger]

what in gods name would you do with 5 levels :/

[north mica]

condense the existing recipes into them, which would be already much better than the current state

[stone echo]

• sharp rock
• big sharp rock
• sharp rock (tool)
• even bigger sharp rock
• sharp rock but axe this time

clearly a full suite of useful recipes

[glacial badger]

😭

[twin thorn]

You'd just get squashed by one of the devs, like the other bugs

[glacial badger]

2 levels. no sharp rock. sharp rock. big sharp rock

[stone echo]

and if we're down to 2 levels, okay, that's not enough content to justify a skill. hence, for the sake of gameplay, nix the skill and merge it with a similar one to bring a little more meat into a proper skill

it's like how carpentry is good for more than just building wooden houses

and sure, maybe i knap a couple of stone knives very early on, but once again: what about the high level stuff? why are those there? they just won't be used

[north mica]

carpentry is good for that because wood is far more versatile than stone

[stone echo]

and yet wood has the same number of skills as stone

[glacial badger]

if that's the case maybe knapping doesn't need to be it's own skill because it's not as versatile

[stone echo]

carpentry, and carving is arguably only half wood-centric because bonecarving

[stone echo]

this, precisely, is my point

[north mica]

why does everything need to be versatile

what is this urge to making everything viable all the time?

can you weaponise farming?

[stone echo]

they call it 'game balancing'

[glacial badger]

because we don't want boring and useless skills..... ????

[stone echo]

garden fork

i jest but like.

farming has its own distinct, long-term use. knapping doesn't.

welding, even primarily as a 'worse metalworking' skill, has a long term use- getting metal resources for smithing and vehicle repair

knapping is the only one that just gets entirely replaced with zero reason to use it

masonry does make stronger, superior buildings to carpentry, but carpentry is used for molds, furniture, and all manner of other useful things so it's also not entirely superceded

knapping could stay if it had its own distinct use, but the issue is that i cannot think of one- there's only so much you can do with 'sharpen rock'

[north mica]

Naturally you'd eventually move on from either wood-carving/bone-carving/knapping to metalworking/welding towards the later midgame / lategame in terms of weaponry-making, no?

I agree knapping isnt the most optimal option for lategame but that doesnt make it useless, i personally have spent definitely a good 80 hours playing B42 on a singular multiple-month save and knapping has been very useful for me to make loads of spears at a very cheap expense, with effectivity higher than simply sharpening a wood stick

PZ is a slow-burn of a game and i dont see why a skill only being viable during the early game to midgame is bad

[stone echo]

you'd mostly move on, yes. but carving also still has a distinct use- handles for tools and weapons from metalworking must be carved. there's some weapons you can make only by carving- baseball bats, for example, which are still better than maces.

[north mica]

but that is due to the nature of the concept of carving itself, some things are simply going to be more universal than others, you cannot change that

[stone echo]

because the skill takes exactly as long to level as something you'd actually use long-term, so why bother with it?

[stone echo]

right- so for a gameplay sense, one should try to make things a little more universal

look at rimworld, for example- there's just one 'crafting' skill because it would be super tedious in that game to have separate skills for different kinds of crafting

[north mica]

before i'll have the secondary skills needed and the materials to produce useable metal materials in a practical fashion, id have already leveled knapping far past 5

[stone echo]

zomboid is different, but it's still tedious if you over-divide the skills

[stone echo]

maybe we play differently, but i genuinely can't see myself making more than a few axes, a few knives, and a chisel

[glacial badger]

same though... i never make it past exactly what i need to start blacksmithing

[solid osprey]

Things can progress at different paces, that list doesn't mean those come out in that order.

[stone echo]

metal just isn't hard to come by, yknow? and even on a theoretical wilderness map, the plan is to put iron ore nodes out on the map, presumably harvestable via stone hammer + stone chisel

[north mica]

grind shit for a skill now vs grind shit for a different skill later type of deal
except the start of the playthrough is more challenging and so i can actually make use of all the stone blades i produce during the whole time i'm settling in

[glacial badger]

don't get your hopes up XD last time i checked you couldn't even harvest flint without metal tools

[stone echo]

i'm not sure i understand what you're getting at- you use knapping early on, before settling down anywhere since it doesn't require a crafting station?

[north mica]

you can harvest flint nodes with a wooden mallet if i'm not mistaken, but other than that yes its all sorts of hammer tools

[glacial badger]

you can?? omg (this needs to be told to us somewhere XD )

[stone echo]

fair enough if that's what you meant but, like, again. the number of knapped blades you'd need to make (especially without a book! and if you have access to the books you straight up will not need to knap ever!) means there's no practical scenario in which you level knapping to the higher levels

[north mica]

You can start making proper use of knapping much sooner compared to metalworking when taking into account the preparation of materials and skills (and their levels) needed

[teal mortar]

We are getting a huge patch it seems

Been almost a whole month

[stone echo]

i don't agree, honestly- sure you can make basic tools faster, but the small knife recipe is only level 3 metalworking and you can research craft your existing stone knife to get the recipe

and i think the 'simple metal blade' is level 2, even

[glacial badger]

if knapping got put into an "outdoorsman" "survivaly" skill along with... idk. other misc skills. or carving or something. that'd be fine by me.

[stone echo]

the first levels of metalworking are fairly easy to do, and you don't even wind up wasting metal since most metal items can be melted back down into the consituent metal

and even then... sure, i can knap. but carving bones also makes simple tools and weapons that are better than the knapped ones.

[north mica]

the benefits of being a hunter man

or just getting lucky with foraging

[stone echo]

bones are pretty common when foraging, in my experience

with low zombie population in forests you can pretty much sustain bone weapons just by foraging

[untold latch]

I mean... Where is the news here? Nothing really changed. Out of 10 levels of any skill, 6-7are fillers to lengthen the proceeds and the rest actually unlocks anything of note

[stone echo]

i mean... yeah, fair, but that doesn't make it a good thing, heh

and it's weird that knapping inverts the usual by putting everything useful at the early levels

you could maybe, maybe make a point for the large stone axe being better for woodchopping since axes take a while to get via smithing, but that's very mild at best since crude stone axes function just fine

[north mica]

it didnt 100% use to be like that for knapping but theyve tweaked it

if you really think about it, it wouldnt be that hard to learn the basics of knapping to make a simple blade, however shitty in quality it may be

[stone echo]

wish they'd do that for other skills </3

[north mica]

yes, because electrical for example requires just as much brains as smashing a rock against another

[glacial badger]

man that definitly missed the point

[stone echo]

i mean with the, like, three things electrical can do right now....
i jest but moreso it was about metalworking/carving hard-gating recipes instead of soft-gating them

let me make a crappy, fragile sword at low levels instead of only being able to make a quality iron sword at level 8 </3

let me make a baseball bat that snaps after a few swings with low level carving. make me want to level the skill because i can do the things, but the things suck

[north mica]

i know what point you guys are trying to make, but i think you are trying to balance everything as much as possible perhaps at the cost of it no longer seeming realistic, which is something i'd be very careful around, because silly, inconsistent skill recipe layouts will certainly leave a sour taste

[stone echo]

insert gabe newell quote on realism here, but yeah, fair enough

i'd rather it be fun than realistic

[north mica]

last time checked PZ was aiming to be pretty realistic unfortunately
I dont think they'd be doing it as a great cost of personal enjoyment (and to me the currently wonky crafting isnt taking away a lot of it, however much of an inconvenience it is)

i definitely dont think its anywhere near perfect but is is workable

[north mica]

how low we talking though

[glacial badger]

i would love pz going for realism if they actually went for realism instead of cherry picking what they want realistic and what they want to make zero sense at all

[stone echo]

for a crappy sword that breaks after a few swings? say, level... four? five?

[stone echo]

meat calories

cow with less calories than half of a rabbit

[nocturne marten]

i already made a suggestion about that, skill level should be important for the crafting level, sort of more u go high in level more weapons or armours are more durable and effective

[glacial badger]

meat calories, roadkill, moving furniture...

[north mica]

you would consider it a worthwhile investment to craft a sword that breaks after 3 zombies? With metalworking?

Isn't that a waste?

[untold latch]

No, I hate that, believe me

[stone echo]

no, actually. but from a new player perspective, you think 'i want to make a sword' and you make one, but it's a crappy sword because it's your first time making a sword. ergo, you want to level the skill to make a better sword

[untold latch]

I'd prefer having 5 levels taking as long but each one of them being meaningful rather than just a filler. Masonry as of now has, what, unlocked all that really matters at level 2-3? Then why would the skill go up to level 10 if there's no use for it and I don't really have any mean to verify that in game, because I may just not know the recipe? The whole skill system would need rethinking

[stone echo]

yes, effectively the level to make the same quality sword as now is the same- but you can make worse ones at lower levels along the way.

[north mica]

perhaps the solution here is to have most/all of the craftables at the start, but give them minimal durability

[glacial badger]

yea honestly, if you have to struggle to even think of a few recipies to add to your skill, it doesn't deserve to be a skill and you should merge it

[untold latch]

Yes

[north mica]

this only really works for items with the condition stat though

[stone echo]

yeah, i'm fully in support of this

[north mica]

PZ already partially does it, where some crafted items (such as knapped blades) do not have full durability at the start, aka you technically unlock them at a specific skil level but to actually "master" them, you have to level up another few times

[stone echo]

for the most part, items with condition are the ones that actually matter

[north mica]

which is a bit backwards maybe

[nocturne marten]

i excatly wrote taht in the suggestion

[stone echo]

yeah, which is why it's weird that metalworking doesn't use that system

carving uses the system for some items (handles) but not others (short/long bats)

feels weird and inconsistent

[north mica]

so this is more of a inconsistency problem

[north mica]

even though this would still be a good thing to add in majority of cases

[stone echo]

for sure for sure, there should be a 'level to try crafting' and a 'level to master crafting' for most recipes

[north mica]

i'm saying "majority" because some items like tool heads will not have the durability stat, so you'd inevitably still have to lock them behind some level

[stone echo]

tool heads do have a durability stat, though?

like hammer heads and whatnot, right?

[nocturne marten]

yes but not for working use only for killing zeds

[north mica]

im talking as a separate part, i.e. when you want to assemble a pickaxe. I dont remember them having them

[stone echo]

nope, tools can degrade when crafting

[north mica]

that is not what i meant

[nocturne marten]

i have an hammer for the last 10 months in game

[stone echo]

they definitely do, if you break the handle of a weapon you can usully retrieve the head and it'll be at half condition or so

[north mica]

you have a handle, you have a head. When not assembled, the head is unusable by the character. It also has no durability

[nocturne marten]

not a single point of condition went down

[stone echo]

some recipes don't lose condition, depends on what you were making

[nocturne marten]

walls?

[stone echo]

hammers don't lose condition from carpentry for example

[nocturne marten]

so only for blacksmitingh?

[stone echo]

nope, buildables don't damage tools as far as i'm aware- only crafting, ie using a smithing hammer when metalworking

[glacial badger]

they def lose condition making walls... i swear they do. right??

[stone echo]

knives in carving as well and a few others

[north mica]

they do

[glacial badger]

i stg i remember having a hammer break while making fences

[stone echo]

do they? i don't recall that ever happening

i could very well be mistaken

[nocturne marten]

me too

[north mica]

if youre making walls from scratch, even the planks, your saw will lose cnodition quicker than your hammer

[nocturne marten]

i ve builrt a castle and nothing

[glacial badger]

good i'm not crazy XD

[stone echo]

saw, yes, hammer, no

[north mica]

but the hammer def loses some durability, albeit at a very slow rate

[stone echo]

hm, maybe i just haven't noticed, then

[nocturne marten]

i'll try again

[north mica]

tools like these generally last a long time

[stone echo]

still, tools do degrade over time even without zombie smashing

[north mica]

Yes, just in the span of ingame couple weeks, not days

[stone echo]

and tool heads do degrade separately from the handle

[nocturne marten]

ok i'll try again

[stone echo]

like axes it's super prominent- chop a few trees, then disassemble it once head condition goes down. the axe head remains damaged

[north mica]

i am unsure if most of the tools have both handle / head stats though

[stone echo]

some probably don't, yeah

most of the ones with detachable heads do at least

[north mica]

i want electrical to give me the ability to re-invent internet after the fall of civilisation and make myself the new ceo of google

I'll call it... zoidgle

[stone echo]

didn't they mention computers potentially getting an interface at some point? be cool to be able to find like, floppy discs with very basic games or useful information on them around ala vhs tapes

[nocturne marten]

but u need satellites no?

[stone echo]

give a little more reason to look through electronics stores

[north mica]

google says they arent needed

[stone echo]

electricity grids, unfortunately, somewhat are

[north mica]

i can fix her

the earth, that is

as far as i know internet only is a thing right now because of the existence of other electrical devices that are able to share data with one another

and what isnt immediately stored/shared on pcs, phones and so on, still gets stored in big server rooms, so as long as any of that exists, even a single device, internet should technically be achievable i think

just need the means necessary for two or more devices to connect over a distance and share data with eachother

tada, internet

[stone echo]

yeah, theoretically if sandbox settings keeping the power on indefinitely were on, internet could likely survive

though internet was obviously pretty limited in 93

[nocturne marten]

interesting i didn't know it

[north mica]

what i meant to say that internet itself is a concept

Lets say you had one small server room somewhere, and maybe a couple of pcs scattered across a city, and all of them were connected. you may not have much content on all that, but you could still consider that internet

[stone echo]

true true, fair point there

[north mica]

internet in 2005 was about as much of a internet as it is now in 2025

it just keeps scaling more

[stone echo]

and becoming more and more corporatised </3

but yeah, computer interface in zomboid would be very cool i think

probably no internet in general though, heh

[craggy cobalt]

im ready for the next unstable release. been itching to play.

[nocturne marten]

very interesting

[north mica]

i think this is just difficult to imagine because the internet as we know it only exists due to all the large companies that run the servers for your internet browsers, the social media, all that stuff

no internet browsers probably would mean that you have to input the exact domain address into the address bar to be even able to connect to a site

no more search results, nothing

but remember that a site still needs to either be run off of a computer or a server

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-yeah-yes-correct-sad-gif-16732303

[nocturne marten]

so u are suggesting the connection between two computers is a sort of internet

[untold latch]

The internet was seen as "true freedom" land back then... Well, that was naive, with hindsight. And give the current societal organization the fate of the internet as we know it doesn't surprises me one bit. To paraphrase a bit, it's easier to think of a world without the internet than of a different internet. Sad. Apologies for the tangent there eheh

[north mica]

Is it not? You can only go to and access your search engine because someone out there in the world is keeping it afloat to respond to internet traffic by running it on larger servers. And whatever website you're googling also needs to be ran by servers. Servers themselves are sort of computers, just specifically made for the purpose of web hosting / network storage

[nocturne marten]

ok...wow i just discovered now i was thinking was about satellites

[north mica]

satellites help with the transmission of data, so in a way they are part of the internet

just not necessary, you can do the same thing on the ground

[nocturne marten]

so if we have two computers and a server we can actually create a basic internet

interesting

[north mica]

i guess you could also have each pc act as a mini server while also remaining a PC a consumer could use

[nocturne marten]

cool

[north mica]

basically spreading the workload between the devices, however practical or nonpractical that may be

by the way, something fun i found out, a LAN (local area network) connection doesn't count as internet, and a LAN connection doesnt even need to be connected to any to classify as one. It's a computer networks that interconnects devices within a small area such as a house

however, the internet technically is the largest WAN (wide-area-network) out there, but other WANs exist, typically for private businesses

i went very offtopic but it was fun while it lasted

[nocturne marten]

that for sure bau it's really interesting

coming back to pz i hope theyhave plans for the new system of the gas protection i mean those air tanks and filters have a very large possibilities

[hidden urchin]

42.8 when? 👀

[candid orbit]

Ask again when May ends.

[wintry lichen]

still no multiplayer, L update

[teal mortar]

Any minute nowww

[gaunt imp]

Any second now

[grizzled oasis]

L Opinion

[teal mortar]

Any microsecond now

[wintry lichen]

nah, im waiting with my friends 3 months for some farming chickens and baking bread, i do not want more smithing updates

[vernal topaz]

42.8 in 3…2…1… launch!

[grizzled oasis]

Sounds like a you problem

[ancient scaffold]

eyo we got the second trailer of gta6 before 42.8

[next cargo]

Fix costume resolution, because always 2k with full or borderless

[stone echo]

yknow, i haven't checked recently- are clothing meshes still kinda borked with female characters? i know that in b41 tank tops and whatnot were really screwy

[glacial badger]

man XD i've been waiting for weeks to play zomboid again because in my head, the moment i start a new save, the update's going to drop and corrupt it

[candid orbit]

So, GTA 6 release or MP update, which is faster?

[solid osprey]

I remember someone saying we'd get Half Life 3 before B42 🤣

[kindred socket]

Well?

[reef hill]

we have 42.7.0 so jokes on them

[eternal field]

i mean there are leaks that valve is about to announce something

[eternal field]

my money is on MP, just because I'm playing on PC, so imma be waiting another year atleast anyways

[next cargo]

Wow update come out in 2025

[leaden nebula]

Y’all are actually just talking about random nonsense in the patch notes

Alright

[gaunt imp]

What a single month without patch notes does to a zomboid fan

[stone echo]

proposal: b42.8 tomorrow morning or we start shooting laser beams at random server members

[coral oasis]

let them cook it nicely

otherwise ya'll rant here poems cauz of bugs or other annoyances

[coral oasis]

those leaks are not real leaks 😉

[coral oasis]

!haha

[limpid sail]

they should add wolfes and bears

[heavy meteor]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[strong wedge]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[heavy meteor]

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[wise token]

I miss thursdoids

[coral oasis]

!heli

[deep snow]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3kIJcotU0DNIY8avbV/giphy.gif

[coral oasis]

perfect

[ancient scaffold]

Today is the one month anniversary of the last update, may the power of friendship prevent us from collectively losing our minds.

https://tenor.com/view/campfire-bonfire-bonfire-party-lord-of-the-flies-film-gif-25429835

[cedar tapir]

Ah yes, the friendship ritual.

[wise junco]

One month no patch?

Alright, dead game

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-death-gif-22568614

[toxic current]

MP coming today

[north mica]

keep dreaming

[cunning delta]

MP coming in 37 days 4 hours and 20 minutes

[grizzled oasis]

You have to update your message every minute now

[cunning delta]

The meaning is relative to any time point

[remote lily]

[shy helm]

But will we get stable B42 before GTA 6 release? At this rate, it looks like we could get build 43 stable before GTA 6

[compact pendant]

Wdym "we"

CONSOLE PLAYERS??

[shy helm]

we'll have full release 1.0 PZ before GTA 6 on PC for sure

[compact pendant]

Hope not

[shy helm]

at least there's a planned rough roadmap to go with, some people might say the current Indie Stone members will start dying of old age before PZ is finished

[dense aspen]

The wait will be worth it tho

[shy helm]

I'm more of an optimist in this case, PZ will fill the void of actually good games getting content for the next decade at very least

[cunning delta]

the next generation of indie stone devs will finish the game in 2077

[zinc leaf]

It's dropping tomorrow

[heavy meteor]

Wanna bet it comes out on friday?

!dance

[deep snow]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986951681822580736/1013627138454327296/breakdance.gif

[wise junco]

Tomorrow™

[spiral hornet]

Tonight™️

[buoyant widget]

Tonow

[north mica]

if we get patch tomorrow

i will kiss and marry spiffo

[heavy meteor]

bet

[kindred socket]

Nah deltarune is coming out tommorow

[teal mortar]

Spiffo please bless the patch so we can get release soon

[candid orbit]

You will only see new patch releases when there is like 10 or so devs on Discord promoting server icon changes.

[round knot]

Genuinely what is taking so long 💔

[gaunt imp]

Bug fixes probably 🥀

[south lagoon]

it draws near brothers and sisters

[strong wedge]

they’re testing out and assessing how NPCs are taking over the development of PZ

[sharp belfry]

In places where there is a visible rock or branch/stick/log that you can now right click and pick up, I think those things should also show up in the foraging search mode. Just so I don't have to right click on that spot to realize that I can interact with the tile. And since those things did show up in foraging before.

[coral oasis]

adding the cool stuff

I am happy it's taking longer, time for more content not just fixes, they are needed as well, but so is the other stuff

[toxic current]

yep MP coming this month

[jagged light]

[untold latch]

brewing is coming this month, IMHO.

but yeah, your guess is as good as mine

[sinful oxide]

Will the crafting benches for say drying racks be a bit more realistic in future at all? I feel it's a bit cheaty to just flashdry loads of herbs and produce in less than an hour in game. Sos if this is in wrong section of channel.

[next cargo]

6 hours before release

[stone echo]

update drops in fourteen minutes and three seconds trust

[eternal field]

I really hope it comes together with the player-less crafting

[eternal field]

some day™️
there was a blog post eons ago about crafting actions being independent of player and taking ingame time, there's remenants of that system in the crafting scripts, along side automation

i assume they cut that for the time being to get unstable out the door and reimplement it as time goes on and the crafting system is more polished

[candid orbit]

42.8.0 is likely going to be another big patch with 350 changes / bugfixes / changelog items.

So just wait.

If devs can chime in and disapprove the "350 changes" claim (or has upped it to 400+), please feel free. I would love to be wrong.

[limpid sail]

ıt better be good

[buoyant widget]

This month -> 42.8 + Rimworld DLC

[wise junco]

Rimworld getting a new DLC?

[cunning delta]

wake up

[wise junco]

I mean, just commit some genocide on Stellaris while waiting for 42.8

Biogenesis added another way for me to be an all-consuming eldritch god

[cunning delta]

whats stellaris

[next cargo]

Come ob

[buoyant widget]

ye

[cunning delta]

what is the DLC gonna be about

[buoyant widget]

We don't know

[wise junco]

Ludeon only announces DLC 1 month before they release

[cunning delta]

it seems like a lot of PZ players also play rimworld

2 goated games

[wise junco]

No announcement, no DLC anytime soon

[cunning delta]

im CEO of ludeon, DLC is dropping tommorow

[buoyant widget]

I didn't say it comes this month, i'm just saying a DLC is registered on steam database

[eternal field]

Also, hows the gold smelting, anyone collecting gold yet?

[candid orbit]

Nah, I am a PZ player who plays Ostranauts.

And Shapez 2

And Timberborn, with a big update coming tomorrow.

[wise junco]

Yeah and that doesn't mean anything

It's like saying Half-Life 3 is coming out soon because it's registered in SteamDB

[buoyant widget]

Stop being a smart ass, okay? Tia has already spoken about the new intentions behind the next DLC.

[wise junco]

They haven't announced anything but sound off if you think it's releasing anytime this year I guess

[buoyant widget]

I don't even know why I brought it up. Just wait, then when it comes out we can yell “Surprise!” together if you want.

[next cargo]

Check steam ....

[ivory bobcat]

considering how build 41 went stable at 41.77

[royal urchin]

mp coming out today trust me

[ivory bobcat]

i have hope for the 42.8 containing multiplayer

[candid orbit]

Just play Build 41 multiplayer.

[ivory bobcat]

it doesnt have the new stuff

so im holding off

[candid orbit]

Because the new stuffs aren't done. And so the MP is also hold off.

[ivory bobcat]

still, im sure the coming updates will finish it

[dense aspen]

tbh i would be surprised seeing mp before stuff like bows

[candid orbit]

I thought bows and arrows were pushed to Build 43.

[dense aspen]

fr?

[wise junco]

Release MP tomorrow and ignore all bug reports about duplication glitches and void collisions

[candid orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[dense aspen]

[wise junco]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-gif-26414867

[dense aspen]

never heard of devs saying bows wont be coming in 42

[crisp sparrow]

Idc about bows ngl, let’s get b42 mp asap

[candid orbit]

B42 mp without bows is dead on arrival

[crisp sparrow]

People gonna use bow’s for a whole two in game days before just grabbing a gun anyway

[dense aspen]

if i could choose id delay mp by a couple more months just to get bows

[candid orbit]

Ok, so it's part of the Build 42 "?????" part on the roadmaps

[crisp sparrow]

Friendless take

[candid orbit]

Build 41 MP is still there. They now have primitive combat mods

[crisp sparrow]

Wow that’s crazy, this is groundbreaking

./s

[wise junco]

Archery is inevitable. 50% or more of the groundwork is already there. Fletching arrows is basically just a combination of carving and knapping

[dense aspen]

i saw it here https://www.reddit.com/r/projectzomboid/comments/1hohm7y/comment/m4c2gyx/

[sinful oxide]

Thank you for reply, hopefully it shall be implemented at some point in this build

[wise junco]

Just prepare for bows and arrows being locked behind some ridiculous and arbitrary requirements like how fleshing tool was on release

[stone echo]

screenshot from the 'the biomic man' thursdoid, presumably this means a later version of b42 and not a entirely new build

[eternal field]

i do hope so, i have a few things brewing in the background that more or less depend on the new crafting system to be implented into a halfway balanced feature and other larger crafting overhauls are currently (obvioulsy) not moving over to b42 because its not clear how much is already covered by the new system

[strong wedge]

shame they haven’t added the Spiffo Jarring table yet

[eternal field]

What a horrible day to read

[reef hill]

what is wild to me is there is more than one jarred spiffo mod

[eternal field]

maybe the internet really was a mistake

[strong wedge]

lol even more reason to add it to vanilla

[reef hill]

❤️

In TIGS we trust

[rancid karma]

I'm a star, I'm on top, somebody bring me some ham

[reef hill]

perhaps some ?

[stone echo]

project zomboid first released as a tech demo on may 28th, ergo multiplayer comes out on that day. trust. definitely true and real.

[reef hill]

I purchased my first copy of Zomboid June 17th 2011 so clearly that is the day it comes out

[drifting vale]

https://tenor.com/view/minecraft-movie-flint-and-steel-gif-4491320584761369279

[coral oasis]

bows will arrive in 42, there is no other ranged weapon available in the wilderness challenge map they got going

they are a part of that and are mandatory for that type of play

[ebon pivot]

True, otherwise all of their fancy crafts with leather are useless because there's simply no way to hunt

[reef hill]

#makespearsthrowable

[cunning delta]

#PleaseLetUsGet42.8SoonTIGS

[reef hill]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremiah-johnson-wilderness-ash-wednesday-cool-feeling-good-gif-20449753

[limpid sail]

unplayable after playing b42

[limpid sail]

[reef hill]

I agree that B42 is better in everyway, but I swapped back to teach a friend how to play recently and it was definitely not unplayable, still fun with friends 🙂

[next cargo]

Check steam

[cunning delta]

Why

Does anyone know if zomboid will ever get steam achievements

[reef hill]

many years ago I seem to recall them saying that achievements was gonna probably be a 1.0 release and onward, but obviously that could change

[coral oasis]

why not rocks ?

throw rocks at zombies

[stone echo]

getting dangerously close to the launch b42 all-powerful rock in hand

[coral oasis]

or at windows

divert their attention while sneaking away

[reef hill]

rocks too would be awesome

even being able to throw a popcan or something would be sick

[coral oasis]

there is an reddit post or comment dates from Dec regarding the aiming system and why now this will be possible

maybe it will be added later

[coral oasis]

this also

very good point, no way to hunt only forage or trapping, renders tracking useless

[dense aspen]

I wonder if theyll add grapple tech to bigger heavier objects

[north mica]

i think grapple tech for now is just in a very basic state

they wanted to properly implement it first, and later they'll expand upon it

[latent tulip]

Wow it technically been a month since last patch so this one is probably gonna be big/ kill our saves lol

[candid orbit]

Wait another month. They're probably at PAX East right now.

May and June are pack full of gaming conferences for them to attend to, so maybe we should expect an update patch in July?

[untold latch]

Conferences doesn't mean work grinding to a halt. In my field it's also conference season, that doesn't mean that I stop working on my own project 😅

[north mica]

https://tenor.com/view/chicken-jockey-minecraft-minecraft-movie-true-gif-15664202093351630764

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/bifrost-bifrost-wallet-bifrost-meme-crypto-meme-crypto-gif-386066883736892728

[stone echo]

man, i'll admit that at this point, i'm going to be sorely disappointed if the update turns out to just be bugfixes and balance changes

i doubt it will be but still

[ivory bobcat]

what

it isnt

its a crafting overhall

[shy helm]

means next patch to the build 42

42.8.0

[ivory bobcat]

it will probably be bugfixes and balancing then

most of the actual content is already here

[shy helm]

except industrial machine operating, piping rework, bows, food preservation

plenty of major features comin before its done

[stone echo]

yeah, one of those is what i'm really hoping for

i think the only thing they've put on their bluesky in the past few weeks is... more tarp clothing, i think?

ah right, cow-patterned clothing as well so we're probably getting material-dependent textures for crafted items

https://vxbsky.app/profile/theindiestone.bsky.social/post/3lmufs746rk2j

[plain moon]

When are we playing Zomboid

https://tenor.com/view/project-zomboid-death-stranding-hop-on-deez-gif-8744478499680300300

[reef hill]

https://tenor.com/view/tony-stark-eyeglass-exellent-question-gif-12818139

[plain moon]

Let’s gooooooooooo

[reef hill]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-chat-dead-group-chat-dead-chat-xd-gif-11830707118005268792

[calm quest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/428598470044024832/819499341499727892/image0.gif

[remote lily]

imagine a PZ world where this guy would be your first human npc interaction:

https://youtu.be/N6nwMJaniuA?si=yZW3EwHOwQQ_jzRZ

[next cargo]

Tomorrow

[north mica]

tomorrow

[glacial badger]

Today

[next cargo]

Next day

[coral oasis]

never

[glacial badger]

Now

[proud kite]

whatever

[cunning delta]

What if The Indie Game Store hired us all as unpaid interns and we finished b42 by tommorow

[empty knot]

we get even more bugs if they did lol

[coral oasis]

it will end up ruined

[strong wedge]

we would finally know the recipe to Spiffo’s Secret Sauce

[cunning delta]

No we could forsure finish it

Trust

[coral oasis]

I didn't say we won't just it will be ruined when done

[cunning delta]

They should take the shotgun model and make it look like a bow so u can shoot multiple arrows

[untold latch]

https://tenor.com/view/baahubali-2-arrows-arrow-jump-red-trending-gif-17956490853381238905

[reef hill]

[coral oasis]

Xena mode

also shurikens

[glacial badger]

Real talk tho, I want slings so badly

[lime beacon]

Wonder if the Devs add freeze time on debug mode?

[north mica]

true

[teal mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/za-warudo-jojo-bizarre-adventure-power-gif-14292027

[vernal topaz]

I've been gone for a month selling my house, now it is sold and I am back. Now B42.8 can release because I have free time again sorry for causing the delay guys

[shy helm]

its cool, thanks to you I could get past my GPU issues and return triumphantly to get ready for some PZ action

[gaunt valve]

You're describing all the modders making the game playable, which should be a mark of shame to the devs but... for some reason they're shameless.

[compact pendant]

Imagine thinking modding being an important part of a game being something the developers should be ashamed of

[gaunt valve]

If your imagination is that small, I guess that's a point of pride?

Just sad that there are so many setbacks and so little effort put in. Years of work yet no end in site.

But cope harder bud.

[compact pendant]

lol

[shy helm]

I think you mistook this Discord for Bethesda game Discords

of course I can't see the future if Indie Stone makes PZ Remaster with all the old bugs reintroduced because they'd be using same code base

[gaunt valve]

Lol The remaster for the unfinished game?

[north mica]

modding support for a game is a good thing but i always find it to be laughable when theres a player-made bugfix put out weeks if not months earlier before its patched officially

[compact pendant]

Doesn't take much to look into why

[gaunt valve]

And modding is great, but it shouldn't be up to the community to progress the game, is all I'm saying.

[shy helm]

difference is, Oblivion was deemed ready ages ago, while PZ is not yet ready

[gaunt valve]

Also, who tf bought the remaster?
Did you see they delisted the OG Oblivion as well, to drive sales? P great

[compact pendant]

What are you guys even banging on about

[shy helm]

Never played OG Oblivion, but I have it in my Steam library. What comes to modding PZ, devs can't help it if players see far future intended PZ updates and decide that they wanna create a mod for it far, far early on, like the NPC mods

[toxic current]

Frustated because no update yet

[north mica]

unstable patch withdrawals

[shy helm]

Doesn't mean players perfected or progressed the game when modders have entirely free reign to do any feature at any given time as a mod

Also...some modders doing so good work that Indie Stone hired them. Looks like modding provides the game infinite replayability AND talented people to actually progress the game development

[cunning delta]

how could u have shame when ur working on one of the coolest games ever, mods just make it better

[gaunt valve]

I love everyone literally coping and explaining around it. The fact that the community has to push the game forward should be bad, the game SHOULD be finished and have multiplayer and what not, especially after almost a decade.
The game is fine, it's just incredibly disappointing how slow and poor the updates and lack of feedback are becoming

[shy helm]

Do you know what Early Access means? It means games that are still in development. What do you call ready and released games that still get mods? Devs left out content that was possible in those games, ergo the devs should be ashamed because modders added new content??

[gaunt valve]

It should be well out of early access after literal years, is what I'm saying.
The fact that they sit on their hands and require unpaid modders to come up with new content and finish the game is just wrong.
Don't straw man argument me, man.

[wise junco]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-clap-fireworks-cheer-gif-23094976

[compact pendant]

You're strawmanning yourself there

fact that they sit on their hands and require unpaid modders to come up with new content and finish the game

I think you can just be disappointed with the pace or whatnot without making up shit

[untold latch]

I love how some people a getting free updates, with enough content for some studios to charge the playerbase several DLCs, and they lose their sh*it after a month of quiet develoment

[gaunt valve]

But it's not making up when we see that the biggest changes came from unpaid people,

[compact pendant]

Much less spend your time provoking people with the good ole "cope harder" etc

[gaunt valve]

Sorry, I should drop to my knees and praise you for even takling to us lowly peasents who paid for the game and never saw it finished.
Sorry m'lord, I'll be sure to count my blessings. By the nine!

[compact pendant]

It's already a disingenuous argument from the get go. We're insanely proud of the game and its modding community. No need to sow dissent or try to push some odd narrative

[gaunt valve]

Did you just quote yourself? lol

[grizzled oasis]

Is that the same opinion as for star citizen with the dev time of more than a century and still buggy mess

[compact pendant]

You gotta have monster calves from all the jumping to conclusions

[latent tulip]

Wow I really.... like this umm cup of coffee

[compact pendant]

Yeah, felt like you didn't understand tbh

[gaunt valve]

Your hands must be numbing, sitting on them so much.
Ya'll just are slow af finishing a game. We're allowed to critize you.

Or will you turn off comments and responses here, as well?

[compact pendant]

lmao

[gaunt valve]

Can't have any bad opinions or you guys start banning people, so 🤷🏼

[compact pendant]

Apparently so

[latent tulip]

Dude chill atleast they updating the game

[grizzled oasis]

Broski just mad about his life and has to vent i guess

[gaunt valve]

Sorry to disrupt the echo chamber, everyone. I guess we should be happy an unfinished game is just strung along.

[latent tulip]

I played the stomping land they haven't abandoned this like they did

[shy helm]

when your argument really is "the devs are too slow in your opinion" but you tell people to cope harder, ergo you assume the counter-arguers are automatically wrong, you don't have a good argument

[gaunt valve]

NasKo would you say I'm being disingenuous by expecting the game to be finished after almost a decade?

[shy helm]

well, you can stop supporting the developers and move on with your life, PZ too slow, so why play it?

[compact pendant]

Whenever someone disagrees they are "coping" and the not everyone is jumping in on your hatetrain makes this an echochamber.

[compact pendant]

No

I think it's pretty clear what exactly you said that was disingenuous

You might figure it out eventually, I'm just gonna move on with my day. Hope you enjoy yours.

[gaunt valve]

Literally coping becasue everyone has a half-assed argument for why we shouldn't expect it to be finished. It's sad everyone here is just cool with it.

[shy helm]

I paid like 15 euros for PZ back in 2017, and I've gotten 980 hours of gameplay out of it. Pretty good exchange for a game that already offered so much. And it still probably has a decade worth of content coming, talk about great money-to-gameplay ratio!

[gaunt valve]

Literally didn't ask lmao

[shy helm]

of course you didn't ask, you can't see yourself being wrong

[gaunt valve]

Because it's not wrong to want the game to be finished.

[shy helm]

just shut down anyone taking part in your argument and its an easy win

[gaunt valve]

If you think I shut you down, you must be very very soft.

[grizzled oasis]

If you say that it is easy to just finish it, gather the modders together and finish it yourself

[latent tulip]

I mean you bought a early access game what were you expecting?

[shy helm]

I could say various really nasty words about you, but manners maketh men, can't really stoop lower to your level

[latent tulip]

Triple A game push half bake games out for 70 dollars and then fix it years later

[gaunt valve]

Expecting it to be DONE after a decade, i'll say again.

[gaunt valve]

You're so tough, dude.

[wise junco]

If my boy is this mad about PZ, I can't wait to see him explode when he learns about Dwarf Fortress

[shy helm]

Untrue, I always start with 0 strenght in-game these days

[gaunt valve]

Just hours of pushups for you, then?

Very exciting.

[grizzled oasis]

For some it is

[shy helm]

Damn right, better in the longterm! Instead of crying against everyone taking part in your discussion, and noise attracts zeds.

[latent tulip]

They aren't a triple A game company they don't have 300 workers so you can't expect things to be out in a second. You're just coping that you bought a early access game from a indie company and upset that the game not done in a month

[cunning delta]

0 strength setup is actually pretty good these days, just gotta hole up in a basement and exercise till ur at a lvl ur comfortable with

[hallow vale]

my use of my time is simply superior

[shy helm]

It is pretty comfy to get all dem extra points and get back to 5 STR in 2 weeks

[hallow vale]

I go on discord to complain about people being in an echochamber and everyone who isn't part of my own echochamber is simply coping hard

should make a reddit post about it

[gaunt valve]

Let's be clear, I do LOVE the game. I'm allowed to be frustrated with the development speed and I'm allowed to make the observation that a majority of the content and fixes came from modders, which I find pretty disappointing.
Making dumb comparisons to other games YOU play is just lazy.
The game is older, and not even out of early access, that is disappointing.
Again, I'm allowed to say and feel that.
The pathetic attempts at personal attacks just makes it abundantly clear none of you will argue in good faith about this.

[shy helm]

Gotcha, you think the speed of development is slow. Fair enough. Now will you allow other opinions or are people just coping who think differently?

[hallow vale]

people already tried to explain this to you several times

[grizzled oasis]

Yes you are allowed to have that opinion as well as we are allowed to dislike your opionion.

[gaunt valve]

Why are ya'll so offended by the word coping? You're offering excuses for them, that's coping, that's OKAY.

[hallow vale]

nobody is saying you can't be disappointed or frustrated

that's what they meant when they said you are being disingenuous